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  • Salubri
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    This can be handled by the arena
    13:13, June 2, 2014

    Who would win and why...Ulquiorra in his Ressurrection Segunda Etapa form or Hallibel in her only Resurrection form? GO!!!

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    • Well to be honest none of the other Espada had the wow effect on me that Ulquiorra's Ressurrection Segunda Etapa form had . Don't get me wrong the top three where cool but none of then seem to dish out as much damage on such a massive scale . One reason Lanza del Relámpago that attack was godly . Nothing on that scale was seen again til the final show down between Aizan and Ichigo . I think that Hallibel is out classed from the get go . But it I dont think it would stop there . Baraggan Louisenbairn had his ageing powers but I dont think they would have an effect on that attack if not tossed directly at him the blast force was on nuclear level I think it would be vary damaging . Then we have Coyote Starrk another Cero fighter his Ceros was no where near the same power level as Ulquiorra's Lanza del Relámpago although whey where much faster . I think that battle comes down to a matter of speed if Ulquiorra can dodge the wolves and gun fire (witch my be just me but I think he could) then he clearly over powers him plus the healing factor will also come into a huge play in these battles . Sorry to make this so long but when all said and done if Aizan would have seen Ulquiorra in his Ressurrection Segunda Etapa I think he would have been number 1 .

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    • I would have to agree, Ulquiorra's second release was powerful. It was like an arrancar Bankai. Soul reapers Bankai's can increase there power 10x, so if his 2nd release was like Bankai I think he would have been much more powerful than her. No way was 1 level up(from espada 4-3) 10x stronger. Harribel was also kind of soft, Ulquiorra was as cold as ice, I think it gives him the advantage. I don't know if agree that he could have beat Stark, would be a good fight though.

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    • This may be a stretch, but Hallibel controls water yes? Aren't Shinigami similar to humans in physiology? And aren't Arrancar similar to Shinigami is physiology? Then couldn't she just pull all the water out of Ulqiorra's body, or use it to slice his body to pieces?

      I think you underestimate the Tres Espada. As for why she didn't use a similar technique against Toshiro, one could agree that she hadn't thought about that particular application of her abilities.

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    • PrinceVertigo wrote: This may be a stretch, but Hallibel controls water yes? Aren't Shinigami similar to humans in physiology? And aren't Arrancar similar to Shinigami is physiology? Then couldn't she just pull all the water out of Ulqiorra's body, or use it to slice his body to pieces?

      I think you underestimate the Tres Espada. As for why she didn't use a similar technique against Toshiro, one could agree that she hadn't thought about that particular application of her abilities.

      That is if her powers were that fine tuned. She is not Kisuke.

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    • I'm not saying that he would be unbeatable but you have to say that the shear ferocity in his attacks and the raw level of destruction was not really seen in the others also i think the healing factor would have come into play if say his arm was aged away or a piece of his body had the water sucked out (tho i think thats to much an assumption that her powers where that far along ) he did state that his healing powers where greater then all the others and the main reason i say this was just that one attack, Las Noches was huge and that attack dwarfs it, also unlike 1,2,and 3 witch primarily be it a sword,ax,water,aging,gun,wolves,or crab like thing you only seen one or two wepions at a time, when fighting Ulquiorra you have to defend yourself against wings,tail,claws on hands and feet,ceros,and the Lanza del Relámpago that kinda versatility has to make a defiance also i believe that his flight control was greater then the others, as you can see im a big fan of Ulquiorra he is my fav villain other then Muramasa but i dont believe he is invencable (clearly hes not alive) i would love to read a tactic that they would use to kill him (one we witnessed in the series)

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    • Vugeto, on the topic of Barragan's aging powers, he just needs to get you once and the age will follow up the rest of your body. Soi Fon only lived because someone severed the arm and then Hachigen used his special Kido to teleport his own (later) seperated limb into Barragan's tummy.

      I think the water removal is more like hindsight, because I don't think Harribel is very astute in the field of biology. Had she known of it, she probably would have taken advantage of it. Also, your 'Ulqiorra has lots of limbs to attack' hypothesis doesn't get very far. They're just body parts. It has little difference from one of the other Espada punching/kicking the opponent, and if I recall, Yammy was known for having the most physical power. All Arrancar can fire Ceros, so that doesn't pan out either. Another problem. Just because an attack dwarves a build, doesn't mean it's pure power; Yammy grew to a massive size and was struck down rather easily. Last problem, he can't heal from everything. Destroy his head or internal organs and he's done for. Know where most of the liquid in your body is contained? In your organs.

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    • I must disagree Prince. I think if she had it in her to manipulate water inside peoples bodies that she would know. Its reasonable to say she had the ability, but without any example its a little farfetched. It would be like saying Toshiro could simply freeze the water in an enemies body. Instead of a long battle he would just freeze there brains and be done with it. Though to entertain the possibility of her controlling water inside bodies, I think whether or not she could actually do any harm would be if she had higher spiritual pressure(obviously), so if Ulquiorra did have higher SP than her(which I believe he would personally) all she could do is give him a stomach ache or something similar lol. Though if an enemy was weaker than her she could just rip them apart without touching them... Now that I'm thinking about it, that would be incredibly brutal and awesome if it were to happen.

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    • PrinceVertigo wrote: Vugeto, on the topic of Barragan's aging powers, he just needs to get you once and the age will follow up the rest of your body. Soi Fon only lived because Hachigen used his special Kido to teleport the seperated limb into Barragan's tummy.

      her lutienant was the one that severed the arm it wasn't the kido shielding remember he can age reishi too.

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    • PrinceVertigo
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      I don't know, I'm just gonna delete this.
      23:52, February 20, 2014
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    • I think he would probably even beat Yammy's Resurrección form. Yammy was slightly cut by Ichigo's Getsuga Tensho with the Hollow Mask. In Ulquiorra's regular Resurrección form, he could probably stop Ichigo's Getsuga Tensho with his bare hands. Furthermore, Ulquiorra's Resurrección: Segunda Etapa was incredibly fast, and Yammy was way too slow. Kenpachi and Byakuya were able to take him down easily, while Ichigo couldn't do anything to Ulquiorra before he went all Hollow on him.

      Ulquiorra is probably the strongest Espada, though he isn't nearly as strong as Aizen.

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    • Yyp

      PrinceVertigo wrote: Vugeto, on the topic of Barragan's aging powers, he just needs to get you once and the age will follow up the rest of your body. Soi Fon only lived because someone severed the arm and then Hachigen used his special Kido to teleport the seperated limb into Barragan's tummy.

      Just wanted to clear something up: Hachi did not teleport Sui-Feng's arm in to Baraggan. Her arm rotted away to nothing. It was Hachi's own arm that he teleported after he got hit by Respira.

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    • omg your so right I forgot about that. thank you much :)

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    • In his Segunda Etapa, Ulquiorra's power and strength was amplified to the point where Ichigo's hollow mask was destroyed in an instant. He was also fast enough that Ichigo couldn't track his movements at all in hollow mask for most of the fight. Considering this, it would seem that Barragan, who was characteristically slow (except when using a sonido) and whose attack Respira travels very slowly, would be almost a sitting duck under Ulquiorra's incredible ability to use Cerro and his Lanza del Relampego. As for Stark, his total lack of defense when firing his guns would mean that all Ulqiorra would need to do is hit him with a solid blow to beat him using his Lanza del Relampego. As for Stark's cerro's, Ulqiorra's wings are incredibly versatile and durable. Enough so that in just his ressurection form he could effortlessly deflect a black getsuga tensho from ichigo when he was wearing his hollow mask. While fighting Uryu he proved those wings to be quick enough to block virtually all sides at once. Then for Hallibel, he would merely dodge her broad attacks. While Hallibel can control water, she has never shown an ability to do so on a small scale, so the blood in someones body could easily be beyond her power, and if she fired a cerro, Ulqiorra could simply match it, creating a massive fiery explosion that could most likely take care of all the water in it's radius and create an opening to move in for precision attacks. In my opinion, had Ulqiorra shown Aizen his segunda etapa form, Hallibel would've been left behind as Espada 4, and Ulqiorra would've gone as the new Espada 1.

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    • Alright, then consider this. I believe it was well within Barragan's power to quickly end the fight, but he had treated the battle between himself and SoiFon as little more than swatting a pesky fly, and one wouldn't over exert themselves over a puny fly, would they? Lanza del Relampego and Ceros could be aged just like Hachi's kido and Suzembachi's bankai, So they make little difference. Starrks's Cero Metralleta can be moved while firing, so the immobility weakness wouldn't matter much. Also, Starrk and Ulquiorra are both on the same level of Sonido power, so I would be inclined to assume they're evenly matched in speed. Those wings of Ulquiorra's wouldn't matter much when against Starrk's wolves, would they? They just get close and boom; an explosion that dwarfs Karakura town.

      Another thing to consider, Hallibel probably doesn't know that there's water in someone's body. For the majority of her life, she's lived in a desert, eating other Hollows and defending against those who would challenge her or her group. The only people in Hueco Meundo who had any scientific knowledge were Granz, Aizen, Tosen, Gin, and possibly a few others. The rest were little more than warriors, concerned with strength and near nothing else. Also, Hallibel is on the same level of speed as Ulqiorra and Starrk, so outspeeded her is something I doubt. Lastly, removing the water doesn't change anything. Hallibel can create water with her Resurrecion.

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    • True, all good points, but I have to disagree on a few points. While I will concede on Barragan being outpaced, since we don't actually know the extent of his power, I'd have to disagree with Stark and Hallibel being Ulqiorra's equal in speed once he enter his segunda etapa form. Maybe equal in sonido speed, but movement speed is something else entirely. Hallibel's attacks are always incredibly broad and usually she is only quick for split instances to counter and create an opening for another devastating attack. Ulqiorra could simply keep in close and overwhelm her with his never-before-seen attack speed and power (as in the other Espada hadn't seen it, so at the very least it would create an opening for a deadly hit on Hallibel). As for Stark, if he has out his pistols Ulqiorra would just need to close the distance by using his increased speed or creating an opening with a powerful counter attack (such as Lanza) to create an explosion he could use for cover. Once the wolves are out, it would turn into a long-range game for Ulqiorra, who'd only need to use Cerro Oscuras or Lanzo del Relampego to pick of Stark or the wolves. Anoter option would be to use one of these attacks as a distraction, lure the wolves away, and then attack Stark while the wolves are far enough away to buy a few seconds to beat Stark's sword with use of his own, his tail to create an opening, and a spare clawed hand to create an up-close cerro.

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    • Starrk's wolves are pieces of he and Lilynette's soul, go where he tells them to, and can't be destroyed, so the First Espada's suicide doggies aren't gotten rid of easily. Also, we don't know if Starrk can fire Cero Mentralleta while the wolves are out, so dodging one won't save you from the other.

      Starrk is noted to pay extreme attention to details, so I'm more than certain he could figure out when Ulqiorra's about to lay down a trap or such and counter it easily. Cero Mentralleta is a massive barrage of Ceros, so the Fourth Espada would need a large Lanzo del Relampego to properly block it, on top of the fact that it's a continous stream of Ceros, so after throwing one Lanzo, it would only break apart the first chunk of Ceros, allowing plenty more of the blue blasts to power through.

      Close-range combat, you say? Well, Starrk has a Hierro so thick he can take the full brunt of a Melee-type Shikai to the face and barely get a scratch.

      Hallibel's also had never seen Toshiro's bankai, but she was able to parry with it and gain an advantage after a while, no?

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    • Both good points, but if I'm not mistaken, Nnoitra had the strongest hierro, and nnoitra still did't risk a fight with Ulqiorra when he had the chance (although this scene may also be misconstrued, and he could've genuinely been joking with him), so I can only assume that Ulqiorra could beat him with resurrection form, which means he could cut any Espada if he could hit them in ressurection form, but you made a good point about Stark being to smart to fool so easily. Stark would never put ALL his wolves far away from him just to pursue an enemy, so the fight could easily come down to whether or not Ulqiorra can dodge, destroy, or take the hits from Stark's wolves. As for the blocking of Cero Mentralleta, the volley is fired so fast, that if the first is hit with Lanza, the next would hit the partially-exploded first and the partially-exploded Lanza, chain-reacting until Stark stopped firing long enough for the Cero on Cero explosions to take place. He would most likely not waste energy continuing it and break the chain almost immediately, but that would still create a second of ceasefire unless Stark pursued Ulqiorra around it or plowwed through. If that was his tactic he'd be easy pickings for the full force of a Cerro Oscuras. That isn't likely though, and more likely than not he'd send some wolves, but they are seen a far ways off. To me it seems most of the fight would be Ulqiorra dodging wolves and having a Cero fight with Stark, and since it is known that Ulqiorra can easily discharge rapid bala, this would suffice to stop a snipe shot from Stark, and would create openings in the Mentralleta. Oh, and i forgot in my last comment, but if a wolf took off one of Ulqiorra wings (not likely unless Ulqiorra was caught off guard), it would regenerate. Considering both our points, I still think Ulqiorra could beat Stark. He'd simply need to outlast him, as he ran out of steam pretty quickly in ressurection form against Shunsui, and Ulqiorra has never, and was only beaten because of his loss of internal organs. Now, if Stark could use Gran rey cero or Cerro Oscuras as the ammo in a Mantralleta, I have no doubt that it would be unblockable and uncounterable, forcing Ulqiorra to dodge or die, but ordinary cerro could be easily deflected, stopped, countered or dodged. As for the wolves, since they can be stunned by a killing blow and take a second to reform, it's safe to assume that while using his speed to dodge, Ulqiorra could delay them long enough to gain some ground. Being hit by Stark's cero Shunsui was practically unharmed, so it's also safe to say that Stark's Mantralleta is meant to kill by barraging, so taking a hit is of little consequence, and in their dense form, it is also easily possible that Ulqiorra could deflect crucial shots, only taking superficial wounds that regenerate. Once close enough, the wolves aren't a problem, as Stark couldn't do much of a blast without hurting himself, and Ulqiorra would need only to outpace Stark's bandoleers and not get caught off guard.

         As for Hallibel, she was able to be on par with Toshiro easily, but Toshiro also uses a lot of broad-attacking and more devastating attacks, so they often just countered repeatedly. Ulqiorra can do both broad and precise strikes almost simultaneously in segunda etapa form.  One hit and she'd suffer considerable damage, but I doubt Ulqiorra would stop at one if he got an opening against a tough opponent.  I'm pretty sure Hallibel would lose pretty easily.
      
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    • PrinceVertigo wrote:

      Another thing to consider, Hallibel probably doesn't know that there's water in someone's body.

      Question how do you draw a compression between knowing about bodies of water like rain, rivers, lakes and oceans to the water in a person body?


      How would she know what to call water if she has never seen it?

      "For the majority of her life, she's lived in a desert, eating other Hollows and defending against those who would challenge her or her group. The only people in Hueco Meundo who had any scientific knowledge" One does not have to be a scientist to know there is water in someones body.

      Even if she had never seen any water in HM her weapon is water that being said. Even if she only fought the hallows that attacked her when she fought them even in manga the hollows bleed when cut or blasted. So she would see the blood. And remember that Hallibel is pretty smart has seen in her fight with Hitsugaya which is the best of her limited scenes that shows this. So its a safe bet to say that she would know that there was blood in someone body.

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    • "drawing a compression"? You'll have to fill me in on what that means.

      Hollows do not need to drink, only eat other spirits to fuel their raging hunger and become stronger. Knowing there's blood in someone's body is different from knowing there's water in someone's body. Hallibel can't move blood. Also, since there is a lack of water in Hueco Mundo, Tier would probably have to use the water she creates on her own.

      What we know as common knowledge might not be the same for Hollows. Barragan didn't know there were any realms besides Hueco Mundo until Aizen told him. They're in a massive desert, always on the run from other, stronger, hollows. The only seeming form of government was Barragan's kingdom, and he didn't do anything but eat and force his subjects to hunt and do battle for his amusement. Knowledge doesn't seem like a very useful thing compared to strength when you're in a constant flight-or-fight situation.

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    • Rundus1 wrote: Both good points, but if I'm not mistaken, Nnoitra had the strongest hierro, and nnoitra still did't risk a fight with Ulqiorra.

      Just because Nnoitra said he had the strongest hierro doesn't mean its true.
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    • PrinceVertigo wrote: "drawing a compression"? You'll have to fill me in on what that means.

      I did meant huh no i quoted you on that.

      PrinceVertigo wrote:

      Another thing to consider, Hallibel probably doesn't know that there's water in someone's body.

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    • @PrinceVertigo

      I'm sure he meant "draw a comparison".

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    • Ulquiorra could defeat Harribel but he most probably won't be able to defeat Barragan. Starrk... it depends.

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    • Aizen stated that a battle between any spirit being is a battle of reaitsu. I am skeptical of wether not Barragans powers would work on someone stronger than him

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