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    hello i really wana know that bleach ends in 365 episodes or there is more? —This unsigned comment is by Bahar bouncer (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~!


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    • Bleach ends at episode 366 for an unstated reason, with no plans of reviving it. The manga is still ongoing and is on its final arc.

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    • I still wish they would give us news about when it returns.

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    • I would "assume" from a profit/consumer/business perspective, the anime was just catching up to the manga, and there are tons of new characters coming in as well from the looks of the manga, maybe various or different voice actors? Might even involve the processing the various documents to even produce the anime.

      Bleach was a very popular anime series, I doubt they would cancel it "just cos" if they were making a profit. I have a feeling that when the Aizen arc ends for the dub, at a minimum we will hear news. At the latest at the end of the Subtitute arc. Pretty sure that Naruto didn't start its Part 2 until after the fight with Naruto and Sasuke in the dub.

      Besides, at a bare minimum (it can vary, fighting, talking scenes etc) each anime episode can cover 1-3 manga chapters in a single episode on average, 5 at the most I'd say. So far the new arc started from 480, and is now at 545. That's only 65 chapters. Which is about 20ish anime episodes. When before the manga has been at least 70-100+ chapters/episodes ahead of the anime. Not really including fillers which might account for 100+ of the 366 episodes of Bleach.

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    • In the neighbouring thread 'Manga vol 56', it was suggested that bookstores refrained from selling that particular volume, due to a possible Vandenreich / Nazi connection. What's your take on this and could this be the reason the anime was cancelled, rather than a drop in popularity?

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    • I Really hope that It would be animated. It seems like a waste to animate so much of the Series and just stop just because when you went so far with it. I hope the reasoning is because its too close to the manga and needs time for the Manga to get ahead and then animate with no worries of having to wait

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    • You gotta be patient. :)

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    • Skitzo1 wrote: I would "assume" from a profit/consumer/business perspective, the anime was just catching up to the manga, and there are tons of new characters coming in as well from the looks of the manga, maybe various or different voice actors? Might even involve the processing the various documents to even produce the anime.

      Bleach was a very popular anime series, I doubt they would cancel it "just cos" if they were making a profit. I have a feeling that when the Aizen arc ends for the dub, at a minimum we will hear news. At the latest at the end of the Subtitute arc. Pretty sure that Naruto didn't start its Part 2 until after the fight with Naruto and Sasuke in the dub.

      Besides, at a bare minimum (it can vary, fighting, talking scenes etc) each anime episode can cover 1-3 manga chapters in a single episode on average, 5 at the most I'd say. So far the new arc started from 480, and is now at 545. That's only 65 chapters. Which is about 20ish anime episodes. When before the manga has been at least 70-100+ chapters/episodes ahead of the anime. Not really including fillers which might account for 100+ of the 366 episodes of Bleach.

      This, pretty much. I think it'll come back at some point, but maybe another year from now, when the Bleach manga is nearing an absolute end with only a half a year left to it. That way they have sufficient material and time to prepare for the anime, while still capitalizing on the manga's success and the interest generated by the inevitable ending.

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    • As for voice actors, they could easily use people who have been used before. There's already been quite a few actors who have voiced different characters, even among the most frequent ones, at least in the English dub, where you have captain Hitsugaya/lieutenant Hisagi. So concerning how many voice actors who has a voice that fits to more than 1 character, they wouldn't necessarily have to hire that many outside of those who voice regular characters like the captains and lieutenants, Ichigo, Urahara etc. Some of those who voice captains, or those who have voiced Espada and Arrancars before, could fit to voice Royal Guard members and other new characters.

      In my personal opinion, the guy who voiced Ulquiorra could fit to voice Kirinji, speaing in a more upfront manner. And the guy who have voiced Isshin could possibly voice Hyôsube, they seem to be the same kind of people. Serious when they have to, and otherwise more light-hearted.


      Regarding the Vandenreich and Nazi-connetions, some may see a line there, but it doesn't have to mean there is one. I think people who are concerned about seeing similarities are more likely to believe they exist, than those who are not concerned about such things, or just doesn't care.

      I personally don't think there is any similarity, and even if there should be, I don't care. Kubo knows that the majority of humans dislike and hate Nazi-related things, and I doubt he would consciously bring such things into his manga.

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    • It's because Nazism is hated worldwide that Kubo may have decided to make the villains look Nazi-like. According to me, the Vandenreich are a mixture of two different-era warlike Germanic cultures, the Teutonic Knights and Nazis. The anime most likely won't restart again, due to the Nazi implications and the widespread presence of blood and guts; it'll be difficult to censor that much.

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    • N-e-ls, that is just simply not true. TV Tokyo just decided that they wanted to kill Bleach's time slot. It really has nothing to do with Kubo or Pierrot. Personally, I think the reverse happened. After the anime ended, Kubo stepped up his game and started writing stuff that an anime wouldn't let pass..... like Shutara threatening to cut off Renji's manhood.

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    • I know very well why the anime ended. I was just explaining why there won't possibly a sequel to the original series. And the Japanese don't mind at all lewd jokes, their problem is blood and body mutilation.

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    • "Sequel" to Bleach makes it sound like the Quincy Blood War is a separate series. It's not. And as for blood/body mutilation, they can always jack up the rating if they really wanted to. Remember, the dub is shown on Adult Swim. The anime ending has nothing to do with the content. It's simply because TV Tokyo just decided they weren't milking enough money from ratings enough anymore. It is entirely possible that this arc could be put into anime, but it would probably be after it ends in the manga, if at all.

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    • I know they ended it because they weren't making enough money anymore. If they restart the series, they'll probably make it a sequel, just like Dragon Ball Z or Naruto Shippūden. But there's a strong possibility they might refuse to adapt into anime the current arc, because of the reasons I mentioned before.

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    • It won't be a sequel, because this arc isn't a sequel. There are shows that have gone on a hiatus/ended without any note of returning, and then have just picked back up; same show, no sequel. It happens. It's not common, but it happens.

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    • Yeah, you're right.

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    • Even despite the gore, if the animators so choose, they can censor or even blatantly change it. They don't need to portray things the way Kubo has depicted them if they are faced with a censorship department. Staying from the original context of violence if fine with me as long as they don't change anything about the story itself.

      Course, we don't even know if they will come back.

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    • Sometimes the censorship can be confusing. I watched the anime before reading the manga and I just couldn't realize why they were making such a fuss when Rangiku and Hiyori got wounded relatively slightly by Ayon and Gin respectively. Only after I read the manga could I realize that, originally, the injuries were much more grave. Censorship doesn't alter very much the story but ruins the details.

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    • I guess, but I don't really mind. Sometimes the violence is needless and stupid and makes you wonder, 'How did they survive that?'. I mean, people in the show die from much less, like Chojiro, and it looks silly when Rangiku can survive her gut being blasted away.

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    • Please, Ichigo survived a hole in chest twice, within 24 hours. Their survivals never have made sense; the apparent (and official, I believe) explanation is that they have superhuman endurance.

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    • To the people who don't read the manga on the subject of censorship: In the future when you're watching the anime (which will resume or else) and you come across the episode where Toshiro walks in on Rangiku and Shuhei, the two apparently working up quite a sweat looking for some important paperwork gone missing and Shuhei had to remove his shirt due to an unfortunate icecream stain, then you might want to read the manga to see what really happened. ^^

      Not that Kubo would ever take the story in that direction. -.- *grumbles*

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    • Exactly what I'm saying. The violence and levels of endurance that Kubo portrays are inconsistent. Better it be toned down so the harshest injuries don't look like it's impossible to survive.

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    • The people who made the anime would tone down and censor everything related to violence, blood and body mutilation anyway. So I don't think that's the problem at all.

      I keep my hopes up for the anime to continue when this arc is over, if not before.

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    • The anime is not coming back. It was cancelled due to low ratings and a lack of profitability, neither of which have changed over time. Bleach is not as popular as it was when the anime was in its full swing, and it is not showing any signs of becoming significantly more profitable in the near future, which makes anime companies disinclined to adapt it any further.

      Trust me, I want to see it animated again as much as anyone else, but there's nothing to indicate that anything has changed, monetarily speaking, from when the series was cancelled in the first place.

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    • I suppose the enormous amount of terrible filler arcs must have contributed to that. Like that Regai arc or the Amagi arc. Jesus Christ was those were bad. And the OST Bleach had was pretty bad. Despite nice animation it wasn't the most well made of shows at times, but I liked everything else about it. Voice-acting was generic at times, but the animation and the detail that went into the major arcs was rather nice to see. And some filler arcs were decent.

      Still, studios and companies are animating some of the silliest garbage these days, you'd think something like Bleach would stay afloat. The decision surprised me at the time, but knowing that poor ratings and viewership was the facilitator surprises me even more.

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    • Avolling wrote: The anime is not coming back. It was cancelled due to low ratings and a lack of profitability, neither of which have changed over time. Bleach is not as popular as it was when the anime was in its full swing, and it is not showing any signs of becoming significantly more profitable in the near future, which makes anime companies disinclined to adapt it any further.

      Trust me, I want to see it animated again as much as anyone else, but there's nothing to indicate that anything has changed, monetarily speaking, from when the series was cancelled in the first place.

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    • We weren't given any reason as to why the anime was cancelled. Is it gone for good? Only, the company that owns it can decide that.

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    • Unfortunate as it would be to all of us fans if the anime is over for good, there isn't really any reason for the animators to animate the final arc if the interest isn't there with the majority. They won't spend time and money animating the final arc if it means a great loss of money for them due to little income.

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    • Gosh I thought Bleach had gained popularity, from all the other websites I have checked out about Bleach coming back many said it would come back due to it gaining popularity :I

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    • The manga is getting better and better...so the chances get higher and higher for the anime to return

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    • I hope it does return

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    • So after the manga has finished its final arc then it will be finished forever? You said FINAL, right? Then after Kubo finishes the manga, Its really Finished?

      I see...

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    • Yes, the current arc will be the last.

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    • I see. It won't continue just like how Detective Conan and One Piece goes forever.

      Well, it was the decision of the mangaka after all. I am willing to respect it.

      Thank you.

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    • Mondragon424 wrote: I see. It won't continue just like how Detective Conan and One Piece goes forever.

      Well, it was the decision of the mangaka after all. I am willing to respect it.

      Thank you.

      lol what?! Hell no it wasn't his decision! He even had to hurry the ending. Due to a big drop in profit/rankings he was told to wrap it up.

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    • Aaaahhhh! Gomen! Gomen! But they said it was over. I am sorry for my misunderstanding. I am really sorry. I didn't really mean to. I am so sorry.

      Mondragon424 (talk)so does it mean that the mangaka still has ideas and is going to continue the manga even if the profit/rankings has been lowered?

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    • Has Any Official news of the Anime's Return been released? No new evidence other than the Manga's Increasing popularity might make the Anime more reasonable for return?

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    • Lightning Cardinal Chase wrote: Has Any Official news of the Anime's Return been released? No new evidence other than the Manga's Increasing popularity might make the Anime more reasonable for return?

      The manga has not increased significantly in popularity. The anime is not coming back.

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    • I don't know if the final arc will ever be animated, but I will make a bet for it to be after the manga is over. Maybe it takes 2-3 years, but I would keep an eye out on the popularity of the last arc of the manga, and then see whether the demand of an animation would be big enough for it to happen.

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    • From what I saw, Kubo said in an interview that at the beginning of the Thousand Year Blood War arc, Bleach was "about halfway through." If that is correct, we'll have several years yet of Bleach manga.

      Hopefully Pierrot just finally got wise and decided to take a break instead of doing another filler season. If so, after the manga builds a decent lead, we'll see more anime.

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    • Really? The first chapter in this arc was 480, if he really meant that he will make this arc as long as all the others together, that means there's more than 400 chapters to go. That sounds way too good to be true...

      If that would be true, even if he were to release 1 chapter every week non-stop, it would take more than 8 years to finish the manga. I highly doubt it will go on for that long... I reckon more like 100 chapters to go, in the best case.

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    • There's a lot of history yet to be explained, a lot of characters yet to be explored, and a lot of conflicts yet to be settled. I think we can expect at least a couple hundred more.

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    • 200 chapters more at the most. Enough time, if he writes well, to cover everyone and conclude whatever questions are left.

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    • Seeing how well he did chapter 547, I believe he will take his time to cover everything and everyone, and really do what he can to please his fans. He has everything to gain on doing that.

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    • I hope so, but as much as I like Bleach, I'll be the first to admit that Kubo has let down a large portion of fans with hurried, erratic writing many times, Fake Town Karakura being the primary one.

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    • That's true, but he's clearly improved himself now. He probably want to make up for everything by making the last arc as good as he can.

      Btw, how was Fake Karakura Town different from the expectations?

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    • I think so to. This Blood War arc has been my favourite since the Soul Society arc because he's trying a lot of different things and jumping out of the box to wrap his story up. I'm really anticipating what's to come.

      Fake Town Karakura was rather... poorly done. I suppose after Soul Society, Arrancar, and Huedo Mundo which all had adventure/mystery aspects to it the Fake Town Karakura arc was a poor way to wrap it up. It was one massive fight and all the battles were poorly built. We didn't know nearly enough about Barragan, Starrk, Hallibel and the Arrancar army to really care about most of the battles and it was the same with the Gotei as well. Sajin is a nice dude but he's a little boring, no matter how awesome Tousen was. Shunsui and Ukitake weren't expanded on, and we didn't really see things like Kira/Gin, Aizen/Yamamoto, anything with Unohana or Ukitake and Urahara/VIzard/Soul Society come into play too much. It's my least favourite arc, even if the fights were all pretty good. The best handled thing in the entire arc was wrapping up Hisagi/Tousen/Sajin. That was well done.

      For me it goes, with Canon arcs at least:

      Soul Society Agent of the Shinigami Blood War Lost Agent Hueco Mundo Arrancar Fake Town Karakura

      Turn Back the Pendulum doesn't count.

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    • Was it just the anime, or do you feel that the manga rushed the FKT battle too?

      Personally, considering all the canon arcs, I'd say that Millennium Blood War will probably become my favorite. It's a tie between Millennium Blood War and Fake Karakura Town at the moment.

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    • Believe it or not, Fake Karakura Town, and the Arrancar arc as a whole, was much longer than Kubo intended. According to Kubo, his fans and his publishers made him stretch the arc out longer than he wanted it to be.

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    • Oh, maybe that lead to some battles being longer and slower/more boring than they could have been.

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    • Something like that, though I imagine it also involved Kubo having to come up with more for characters to talk about as well.

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    • So, they made him stretch out the Arrancar arc when he intended to make it shorter. And now they're making him shorten the Millennium Blood War arc when he might intend to make it long? Oh, the irony.

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    • Yeah, they're stupid like that.

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    • Honestly, the publisher should never have a say in what the author puts into his work.

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    • I don't know which fights got stretched out, or if all was, but Omaeda vs. Nirgge was one of the most boring fights I've seen in Bleach. Not to mention Yumichika vs. Chuhlhourne, which was mostly ridiculous.

      I agree that the publisher shouldn't interfere in the author's work.

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    • Publishers can be a hassle. It's all business so unlike with top of the line writers they have a big say in what they want added in, all in the name of making more money. I think Kubo could have done a better job with more freedom.

      In the anime it was stretched out, but at least things were added to make the fights more climatic. In the manga it came off as a very cold exchange. Nothing was hyped up other than Ichigo vs Aizen, and even then, having Ichigo watch everyone get mowed down was silly. In fact, Aizen beating everyone was stupid. Made the Gotei look pathetic and made the Espada look even worse.

      Nirgge vs Omaeda was pretty bad, though Omaeda's rants on being fat in the name of wealth and affluence being different from lazy fat was pretty funny. Didn't enjoy any of the fraccion fights other than the Ayon fight, Kira vs Redder, which was really short, and Hisagi defeat Findor.

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    • AldenHeathcliffe wrote: Aizen beating everyone was stupid. Made the Gotei look pathetic and made the Espada look even worse.

      Didn't enjoy any of the fraccion fights other than the Ayon fight, Kira vs Redder, which was really short, and Hisagi defeat Findor.

      Agreed. Aizen cutting down SHunsui, Shinji, Sûi-Feng and Hitsugaya so easily, was ridiculous.

      I think Kubo should have drawn the story at that point to have the real Aizen being stabbed through the back by Hitsugaya, instead of switching places with Momo in a way that at least in the anime was pictured as ridiculous, IMO. Then, instead of dying, Aizen blasted off Hitsugaya with a Kidô-spell, smiled sarcastically and revealed the Hôgyoku implanted in his body. And then, the 3 captains and Shinji attacked him and he fought them off, making a short fight, before cutting them down, powered up stronger by the Hôgyoku.

      Then the rest happened like in the story, with Yamamoto taking on Aizen. That's a scenario I think would have been much better. I also think it was stupid how Harribel, a Vasto Lorde, was held back so easily by 1 captain and 2 former lieutenants.

      As for the fights in general - I only really enjoyed Hisagi vs. Findorr and Komamura owning Poww with his Bankai, except mostly enjoying the Espada fights.

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    • Sternritter M wrote: Then the rest happened like in the story, with Yamamoto taking on Aizen. That's a scenario I think would have been much better. I also think it was stupid how Harribel, a Vasto Lorde, was held back so easily by 1 captain and 2 former lieutenants.

      The Vasto Lorde were vastly overhyped in general. The fact that Harribel was able to take on Hitsugaya, Risa, and Hiyori all at once is more a testament to her own power than theirs. Especially considering that she was basically at a stalemate with Hitsugaya before he took a gamble.

      More on topic, I thought that the Fake Karakura Town part was generally well done, at least in terms of Kubo keeping track of what was going on with different characters in different situations all in the same area (save for poor Kensei). That was a failing of the first part of the current arc, which was a confusing mess of unseen fights and characters with apparently nothing better to do than to not show up where they could have been useful. It was an effective way of showing how effectively screwed and caught off guard Soul Society was, but it didn't make for a very good narrative flow.

      If the anime ever does come back, I do hope for some higher quality padding to even out the pace of the first Wandenreich invasion. I really like this arc in general so far (better than the SS arc even), but it could be better.

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    • Sternritter M wrote:

      AldenHeathcliffe wrote: Aizen beating everyone was stupid. Made the Gotei look pathetic and made the Espada look even worse.

      Didn't enjoy any of the fraccion fights other than the Ayon fight, Kira vs Redder, which was really short, and Hisagi defeat Findor.

      Agreed. Aizen cutting down SHunsui, Shinji, Sûi-Feng and Hitsugaya so easily, was ridiculous.

      I think Kubo should have drawn the story at that point to have the real Aizen being stabbed through the back by Hitsugaya, instead of switching places with Momo in a way that at least in the anime was pictured as ridiculous, IMO. Then, instead of dying, Aizen blasted off Hitsugaya with a Kidô-spell, smiled sarcastically and revealed the Hôgyoku implanted in his body. And then, the 3 captains and Shinji attacked him and he fought them off, making a short fight, before cutting them down, powered up stronger by the Hôgyoku.

      Then the rest happened like in the story, with Yamamoto taking on Aizen. That's a scenario I think would have been much better. I also think it was stupid how Harribel, a Vasto Lorde, was held back so easily by 1 captain and 2 former lieutenants.

      As for the fights in general - I only really enjoyed Hisagi vs. Findorr and Komamura owning Poww with his Bankai, except mostly enjoying the Espada fights.

      Yeah, it was Shunsui and Shinji getting beat down so easily with just his Shikai that bothered me. Shunsui especially is such a powerful captain and we see Aizen dust him like it didn't even matter.

      I was bothered by the absence of Ukitake as well. I guess they tried to write him out without revealing too much about his powers so Kubo could address that at a later time.

      It was just a little messy. I liked the chaotic feel the first Wandenreich invasion had. No one was expecting so much devastation and such a total beat down. I was a bit bothered by the fact that none of the captains came to the aid of their division-mates other than Byakuya (and look how that turned out), but I thought it felt like a real combat situation, like a real sneak attack.

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    • It feels to me like Kubo wanted to make the initial Wandenreich attack and Unohana vs. Kenpachi longer, but, once again, publishers got in the way.

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    • I think we exhausted all we can on this question's discussion, I say it should be closed.

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    • Has any news been released at all? Anything on if it returns, when it will, etc etc etc? Just wondering if anyone has been released OTHER than speculation

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    • Lightning Cardinal Chase wrote: Has any news been released at all? Anything on if it returns, when it will, etc etc etc? Just wondering if anyone has been released OTHER than speculation

      No. People have made claims, but there's no official word of it returning. And, as per the suggestion of one of my peers, I'm going to go ahead and close this.

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