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  • Hello all!

    There is a section on Ichigo's article that mentions the reason for the original Shikai Zangetsu being beneath the white portions of the blade is due to Ichigo only having Shinigami powers at the time. The exact except for reference:

    "After Ichigo had his Hollow and Quincy powers absorbed by Yhwach, the outer white portion broke during his final battle with the Quincy Emperor to reveal the original form of Ichigo's Shikai, Zangetsu, underneath, due to his Shinigami powers being the only source of power remaining within him at the time."

    I would like to contest, but only the grounds that I believe the information presented in the article is not provable within the manga. Simply, based on what we see in the story is the white portion breaking, and then remaining black portion being a sword that "strongly resembles" the original Shikai Zangetsu. I believe that rewording that excert to be more strictly descriptive of the manga panels would be more beneficial than what we have currently. Right now, the current excerpt seems to present speculative info, which can only have been extrapolated from the manga, rather than directly portrayed.

    I'm open to discussion on this to see how the original decision was made, what we can potentially do going forward with it, whether we keep it or change it!

    Also, I apologize if this is the wrong board for this sort of thing~

    Edit: I'm trying to get back into contributing, so I figured I'd start somewhere!

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    • Yyp

      I'll leave it open to whoever wrote it to chime in here, because its been so long since I've read it I cant be sure what was going on there. If the page is right in saying that his Hollow and Quincy powers were taken (sounds right to my foggy memory), then all that is left is his Shinigami powers. I do not see that as speculative, rather stating that 1 of 3 things he is know to have is still there after the other 2 were taken away, since we were never told it was also removed from him and he clearly still had the Shinigami abilities.

      Or is it the shikai appearance that you are referring to? Are you trying to say it should be more like

      After Ichigo had his Hollow and Quincy powers absorbed by Yhwach, leaving him with only his Shinigami powers, the outer white portion breaks during his final battle with the Quincy Emperor. This reveals a blade matching the original form of Ichigo's Shikai, Zangetsu, underneath.
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    • Yyp wrote: I'll leave it open to whoever wrote it to chime in here, because its been so long since I've read it I cant be sure what was going on there. If the page is right in saying that his Hollow and Quincy powers were taken (sounds right to my foggy memory), then all that is left is his Shinigami powers. I do not see that as speculative, rather stating that 1 of 3 things he is know to have is still there after the other 2 were taken away, since we were never told it was also removed from him and he clearly still had the Shinigami abilities.

      Or is it the shikai appearance that you are referring to? Are you trying to say it should be more like

      After Ichigo had his Hollow and Quincy powers absorbed by Yhwach, leaving him with only his Shinigami powers, the outer white portion breaks during his final battle with the Quincy Emperor. This reveals a blade matching the original form of Ichigo's Shikai, Zangetsu, underneath.

      Yeah, I'm referring to the appearance. Right now, the article to me reads like the appearance of the blade is because of him only having Shinigami powers left. I'm thinking that we try more denotative language like in your example.

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    • I agree with SilverRain. Rather than saying it IS his old Shikai, it would be better to remain ambigious and say it merely resembles it.

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    • Yeah this seems reasonable to me.

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    • Perfect, thank you for replying! Since the page is locked, I'll leave it to an admin to make the edit.

      Thanks again~

      Edit: It's not locked, my bad. Also, I just realized that the Shikai section also says something similar, in that Zangetsu reverted back to its original form. Should we also alter that one to be more like Yyp's example? I was actually thinking about removing it since we don't know what Ichigo's Shikai looked like after the final battle (light novel notwithstanding). Ultimately, the appearance of original Zangetsu is, in my opinion, only applicable to his Bankai

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    • Ichigo has lost his true abilities. When Ichigo´s sword was reforge he gain his true shikia and bankai, but when he his true bankai broke apart his original shikia was revealed, which is the lowest power Ichigo had now.

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    • Bashkim1234 wrote: Ichigo has lost his true abilities. When Ichigo´s sword was reforge he gain his true shikia and bankai, but when he his true bankai broke apart his original shikia was revealed, which is the lowest power Ichigo had now.

      This thread is discusing te appearance of the sword, so what has this to do with that? Im not really following how you got from the previous posts to this...

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    • Agreed. Talking about the appearance of a weapon vs the powers of the person wielding isn't the same topic. Sure they're connected, but the thread was clearly talking about how Ichigo's bankai, reverted to a similar state to his old shikai.

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