FANDOM


  • SunXia
    SunXia closed this thread because:
    Per Dead Thread Rules Forum Rules
    11:08, March 30, 2019

    Just a thought, because i realized that since Ulquiorra never showed his Segunda Etapa form - does this make him the True Primera Espada? (I know his has probably been discussed before)

    This is just a speculation obviously but lets look at what happened with Ichigo's power scaling. When he fought ulquiorra, he was unable to wound him significantly and only managed a a very shallow cut on his chest. Then when hollowfied, he was able to pressure him but could not even harm him in his resureccsion with a full powered, hollow masked enhanced getsuga tensho.

    Then after the fight, he goes into the lower level of Las Noches and was able to cut Yammy with a getsuga tensho, even after he was exhausted and was low on reiatsu (Unohana comments on his coat being a gauge to how much reiatsu he had left and the more damaged it is, the lower it is) and he said his hollow mask felt different. And technically, Yammy as the 0 Espada should be 3 levels above Ulquiorra, so at Ichigo's current level, his attack should've tickled him.


    What are your thoughts? i truly believe Ulquiorra was the strongest of the Espada

      Loading editor
    • Yammy is also powerfull. Both byakuya and kenpachi fought with him and still he is not dead. Ulquiorra 2nd resurrection is equal to yammi's power (or one level more than yammy). Ulquiorra should be the strongest espada if we consider power speed agility strategy etc. He is the best in all aspects.

        Loading editor
    • Look, this topic has been discussed to beyond death by now. I'm not going to repeat everything that has already been said, just that there is nothing to truly suggest the order of the Espada was anything beyond what Kubo himself said they were.

      To clarify: the Espada were ranked purely by their level of raw spiritual power. Anything else, no matter what (skills, unique powers, intelligence, etc.) was NOT relevant to their ranking. That's why an incompetent idiot like Yammy was higher ranked than Starrk, Baraggan, or Ulquiorra, who were all a LOT more dangerous than him.

        Loading editor
    • Timjer wrote: Look, this topic has been discussed to beyond death by now. I'm not going to repeat everything that has already been said, just that there is nothing to truly suggest the order of the Espada was anything beyond what Kubo himself said they were.

      To clarify: the Espada were ranked purely by their level of raw spiritual power. Anything else, no matter what (skills, unique powers, intelligence, etc.) was NOT relevant to their ranking. That's why an incompetent idiot like Yammy was higher ranked than Starrk, Baraggan, or Ulquiorra, who were all a LOT more dangerous than him.


      but even so, just the explanation that Tite Kubo gave us throughout the series, unless he pulled a Toriyama and didnt keep notes, then he retconned himself continuously.

      example, he gave the idea of Hierro back all the way in the Soul Society Arc with ichigo's fight with Kenpachi. Zaraki explained that if a weaker reiatsu attacks a stronger reiatsu, then the weaker one will get damaged. Hierro is just a passive ability of Arrancar which is the exact same concept as explained by Kenpachi. With that reasoning, Ulquiorra is much stronger than Yammy bc ichigo's Hollow enhanced GT couldnt even REACH ulquiorra, whos Reiatsu put up a shield around him. While Yammy got toppled over and was actually cut


      i understand this might be a repetitive topic, but i wanted to hear other peoples thoughts bc i truly coundnt find the thread where it was discussed

        Loading editor
    • No, because Hierro is something completely different from Zaraki's thing. Shinigami don't have Hierro, their reiatsu alone just has to protect from a weaker one but other than that they don't have impenetrable skin. Hierro is an Arrancar-exclusive technique that hardens the skin to immense levels. While Spiritual power does play a part in how strong one's Hierro is, it also depends on how skilled and trained one is. For example, Nnoitra was the Espada most skilled in using Hierro and therefore had the strongest one, despite not even being in the top 4.

      That's why Yammy's hierro is weaker than Ulquiorra's. Heck, Yammy was actually weaker than all of them except when it came to reiatsu levels (the only thing that mattered when ranking them) and physical strength. Sonido? Zommari was the best. Firing Cero's? Starrk was the best. And so forth.

        Loading editor
    • the top three are by far ulquiorra, starkk, and barragan. yammy is legit all talk. he got fodderized by byakuya and kenpachi, and neither of them went all out. ps, they didnt attack at the same time either. they took turns. ulquiorra fought full hollow ichigo, which is good percentage of ichigo's mugetsu power, so he should be obviously above two captains who were nothing above bankai ichigo's power. same for stark. he fought shunsui as an equal, the same guy who could fight yamamoto in shikai while he was pissed. yamamoto is leagues above base aizen, btw, so shunsui and starkk should be at least right under aizen in power as for barragan. he only lost to his power, after tanking a nuke (or two. i dont really remember) from the captain chick.

        Loading editor
    • i think the fact that noboy knew of Ulqiorra's segunda etapa was a way of Tite saying hes alot stronger than just number 4

        Loading editor
    • Correction, Ulquiorra only said that nobody has ever seen his Segunda Etapa before, not that nobody knew about it. Huge difference.

      Besides, even if his Segunda Etapa elevates his position, we still have no idea by what amount. It could be just equal to Harribel, it could be beyond Starrk, who knows. Since we have no confirmation at all we should just assume that Kubo meant what he wrote when he ranked them.

      Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: the top three are by far ulquiorra, starkk, and barragan.

      What about Harribel? Did you forget she held her own against 1 captain with Bankai and 2 visoreds with masks and Shikai? And that she only lost because Aizen intervened? And even then, Aizen didn't expect her to survive his first hit?

      This discussion is going nowhere. There is once again nothing to suggest Kubo lied or retconned the Espada's ranking.

        Loading editor
    • Yyp
      Yyp removed this reply because:
      double post - comment was added to previous comment by same user
      20:01, November 12, 2018
      This reply has been removed
    • i think you may be arguing semantics tbh, different translations come with different conclusions, some would say that nobody saw it, and some would say nobody knew about it...

      you're being too literal, he states that nobdy saw his segunda etapa and his reiatsu far surpassed Yammy's in this form. Yammys release didnt even damage las noches, meanwhile Ulquiorra's reiatsu became so much that uryuu, an adept sensor, could barely perceive it and questioned if it could even be called reiatsu.

      if youre going to argue semantics about wordplay, when different manga sites translate it differently, then unless you can read japanese im gonna have to say thats irrelevant

        Loading editor
    • He is given the number 4,means he is 5th strongest among the Espada,lets be real here,you cant expect me to believe Aizen know nothing of his Segunda Etapa,Aizen give Ulqiorra number 4,that is enough :D

        Loading editor
Give Kubos to this message
You've given this message Kubos!
See who gave Kubos to this message
Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted.