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  • Yyp

    I'm sure many of you have already seen that staff have reached out to me and Arrancar109 about Bleach Wiki using the new Discussions feature (click for more info if you are unaware of it). Essentially this is going to replace the existing forums feature sometime in the mid term (I think) future. Currently public details on the migration to Discussions can be found on this blog.

    I'd like to see a full discussion on this, the pros and cons as you see it for both you personally and for the wiki, in particular anything that you feel needs to be improved, how it could be better etc rather than just "I dont like X about it". We're getting to a point where influencing its design and features might be getting harder as moves closer to completion, so we ought to voice our thoughts on how to make it work better for us now before it's too late to influence it. I can pass that info on via the Community Council and direct to staff. I'll hold off on posting my own views on it for now so as not to influence the debate about it. Maybe I'll post my opinion tomorrow. In the meantime, discuss away

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    • I'm not so sure I like the Discussions. You can't edit your original post after like a day? I mean mistakes happen.

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    • I've had a gripe with Discussions since the day it came out. We've used the forums for things like, well, this. With the forums, we are able have sections like the Administration Requests Board and the Improvement and Issues Board, both of which are places where valuable discussion about the wiki and state thereof can take place.

      Discussions, from what I understand, is nothing but talking about the content of the various articles as if it were social media. This is exactly why I prefer talk pages over article comments and why I'm glad the latter was not forced onto every wiki.

      I have no desire for us to become a social media site. That's not what a wiki should be. It should be an encyclopedia above all else. The primary topic of discussion on a wiki should be how to improve it and how to improve the pages, not what you like about X character. Wikia or Fandom or whatever they feel like calling themselves by 2024 does not seem to understand that anymore.

      Discussions would hinder what we've attempted to make Bleach Wiki into, and that's a respectable source of information on the Bleach franchise.

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    • Honestly agree with what's been said already. What we have now is perfectly usable and allows us to discuss improvements on articles. With Discussions it seems just like an upgraded version of article comments.

      Between this, the intrusive videos and the Fandom rebranding as a whole the system's become almost unrecognizable. The fact that all of these functions are being added even when the sites object to it doesn't sit well with me either. It just feels like another step away from being an information network and more towards being another social network.

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    • SunXia
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      Wow just wow
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    • sure

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    • I agree with everything Schif said - there's a damn good reason we write articles the way we do (in-universe and without speculation) and that's to present an objective database for fans of the series to browse without opinion-based nonsense and pointless filler content getting in the way of their understanding and enjoying the series. This move in particular feels like Fandom doesn't even *care* that we put so much effort into achieving this.

      God, every day I miss 2014 just a little bit more.

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    • Just to also chime in on this, in particular for Bleach, a series that has concluded, these type of videos seem highly unecessary. Also the overall quality of these videos are...not good. These videos seem like WatchMojo rejects and don’t really educate newer fans. If we were able to produce our own content, I wouldn’t be totally opposed to it, but this feature in its current incarnation is not a good fit for this site.

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    • I have to agree with Schiffy on this. This discussion feature seems nothing more then user article comments and why are they even pushing that kind of thing. It has nothing to do with site content. The videos seem unnecessary and intrusive every time you go to a page a video has to load up and be in the way of the content your really trying to get to. This is a totally unnecessary add on.

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    • SunXia
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    • I agree with the others on this.

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    • There's literally nothing new I can add on this. Everyone's said what was needed to be said, and frankly, I agree with them.

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    • SunXia
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    • Yyp

      I think all the points I would have made about the Discussions have been made except that it is a feature that is still under development and I think they should really finish it off before rolling it out. But even if that was done, I don't like it at all. This isn't a matter of just getting used to a new style etc, it just feels flat out inferior, not intuitive and needless. I personally don't want anything to do with it.

      To be fair to Fandom though, the load times and look of Discussions has improved a lot since it was introduced and you can now categorise posts similar to the way we have different boards (see sonic wiki etc) but it isn't as good as the current forum feature in that respect. So my opinion is to decline early adoption of it. I don't want it at all for this wiki but that won't be an option, though I think we should still make that clear anyway.

      The new videos were mentioned too and I really think since we are unlikely to be rid of them (I think GoT wiki asked for them to be removed and they weren't, or at least they talked about doing that), we need someone who actually knows about the series and cares, to volunteer to rewrite those scripts and voice them if Fandom will let us, or at least give them guides on how to say the character's names! Some of those videos make me cringe, so blatantly obviously not made by a fan or someone who has even seen it and they reflect poorly on the wiki in their current form.

      I'm not sure if everyone is aware, but the reason the videos exist at all is because it cuts down on ads on the wikis, which is a great thing to aim for. Sponsors pay more to have their ads in vids than the normal box ads. Not sure if everyone feels its a worthwhile tradeoff. They're a bit too intrusive for me, to say nothing of the scripts, but I've largely managed to ignore their existence anywhere I visit.

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    • SunXia
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    • Yyp

      Sorry for double post, just wanted to add that I don't think it helps that the talk page button has disappeared behind a drop down menu instead of being right beside the edit button. We all know its there, but as a matter of principle on how a wiki functions it should be visible to every even if they're not familiar with how a wiki works. Instead all anyone is going to see is a button that says "Discus" in the top nav and they'll think that's it and they won't see all the previous discussions on the talk page which might answer whatever question they wanted to ask.

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