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  • Okay, this guy is WAAAAAAY OP, I mean come on...how are they going to pull this one out of the fire? Have Nell give Ichigo some of her hollow powers restoring them, and then have one of the Quincies give him his other power back?

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    • I'm probably in the minority here, because I don't think they're going to "pull this off" at all. Even Aizen probably can't defeat Yhwach now.

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    • Well, Ryuken has already shown that it's possible to restore Quincy powers even better than ever, Aizen has shown the ability to quite easily provide someone with Hollow powers, the Soul Society has no trouble providing Shinigami powers, and Fullbringers don't have that much trouble trading powers around either. Quite frankly, no one has much to fear when losing their powers, except maybe not being important enough to bother restoring, like Jirobo "Wind Scythe" Ikanzaka. Additionally, there are a few weaknesses to the Almighty. While it's true that Yhwach can see all futures, and pick and choose the one to his liking, if every single future that exists is one in which he loses, there isn't much he can do. Additionally, while any power he sees in the future he can immunize himself against, He apparently can't become immune to acts of pure physical ability, meaning 'all' they need is someone with such immense physical power that there isn't a single possible future where they lose to Yhwach. Not like that would be easy, but it should work, from what we know about his power. Additionally, according to Haschwalth, The Antithesis can affect Yhwach, and from what occurred with Mimihagi, It seems that futures involving the actions of parts of the Soul King can't be seen by him, (unless that restriction has been removed now that Yhwach basically is the Soul King) and there are still 2 legs and who knows how many internal organs of the Soul King laying about.

      So, my 'solution' that should work based on what I know, is that the rest of the parts of the Soul King band together to empower someone (probably Ichigo) with so much power that the only possible future is Yhwach dying. I doubt that will be what happens, but I think it could work.

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    • Aizen will give Ichigo the Hogyoku. I predict that it will (or maybe already has) acknowledge Ichigo as its new master since he's the one who caused it to reject Aizen.

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    • If kubo both wants to give them a chance and appease fans he will reveal that Aizen was freed and his bankai can distort perception to such an extent that he can render Yhwach's power to see (and using that as a base control) the future unusable, which would give them a fighting chance (with a volstandig and or Yamamoto's stolen bankai still waiting to come out even nulling the almighty may be nigh pointless though). Both zangetsus likely can't be brought back as Yhwach absorbed them and plugging quincy or hollow power in won't restore those 2 individual beings. I think that Isshin may give Ichigo his powers to restore Ichigo as a shinigami (although since his powers are represented by a hollow and quincy one could argue this would be the first time he had real shinigami powers as he never had an inner spirit purely symbolizing those before) with powers almost identical to what he had before so he can participate again and possibly even give many fans what they've been waiting for in the return of mugetsu.

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    • Yyp

      Bleachleader wrote: This guy is too overpowered.He is too strong.He easily beat Ichigo,who was in bankai with his hollow and quincy powers together.Seriously who can beat this guy.Uryu and Aizen are the only two who can defeat Yhwach but the problem is that Uryu is heavily injured and is crippled because of Haschwalth.Aizen could have possibly defeated Yhwach if he had his sword and used bankai but his nowhere to be found.Somebody has to defeat Yhwach.

      Merged from another thread.

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    • "Overpowered" fails to describe Yhwach completely, because he's beyond normal description, and even saying things in a nutshell is not even precisely scratching the surface of what Yhwach can do. He was shown to be only particularly vulnerable when he's not using The Almighty, and let's see if Yhwach decided to do something with Zanka no Tachi or something, since he made it clear that he is going to lay ruin to all of existence, Soul Society and the Human World included, and has no need for Ichigo or any of his Sternritter, so Lille Barro will be next. Ichigo cannot simply regain his power, he needs to be like Mimihagi, being unable to be seen in the future by Yhwach.

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    • Will-O-Wisp wrote: Aizen will give Ichigo the Hogyoku. I predict that it will (or maybe already has) acknowledge Ichigo as its new master since he's the one who caused it to reject Aizen.

      I don't think he can give ichigo the hogyoku even if ichigo made it reject Aizen.Maybe he can make ichigo an arrancar.Ryuken can train ichigo to restore his quincy powers.Isshin can train ichigo in swordsmanship.Urahara can teach him kido.They can make Ichigo more powerful than before and combined with his powers,he will surely overwhelm Yhwach in physical power and skills.Ichigo has sonido.If he improves in using sonido he can be so fast that even Yhwach can't see his movements in the future.And with the help of Aizen that can disorientate Yhwach's ability to see in the future,they will make it and kill him.

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    • At this rate, I don't think Kido, Swordmanship, Hollow/Arrancar powers, or even Quincy powers are going to do anything useful against Yhwach. Besides, don't you think Ichigo probably knows enough about wielding a sword at this point? They need a trump card of some sort, because with the Almighty, 99% of their options are useless against Yhwach. Maybe the Hogyoku is that trump card, but iirc, it can only give you what's already in your power to obtain. Also, I don't think being fast enough can make you immune to future sight, and Sonido is just Shunpo by another name. Arrancar techniques aren't inherently better than Shinigami techniques. Though you do bring up an interesting point about Aizen, though it's not certain he can even use Kyoka Suigetsu anymore, or if that could get through the Almighty's power immunity.

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    • I wonder if Yhwach will ever fight against Ichigo again back in Wahrwelt or somewhere else. The true, ultimate fight of Ichigo and Yhwach must happen, and Ichigo must seriously prepare himself with something more than just brute force, or Yhwach will beat him again.

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    • wow, didn't expect this many replies. In all honesty, I think they are going to pull kind of a dues ex machina like how they used the final Getsuga tensho, but honestly, that's just a guess. I'm sure Kubo has something up his sleeve.

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    • In a non-meta way, I don't think Yhwach just want to lay waste on all of existence. He makes sure literally everyone dies, so when they die, all of their power, experience, memories, and other attributes go to Yhwach, so literally, he can't get nothing. So, Yhwach is trying to get all pieces of his soul and parts of the Soul King. He's still collecting and makes sure literally all Sternritter are taken of everything from them, and leave no survivors. He also makes sure he derails anyone who try to stupidly waste his time. I think even Yhwach himself knows he's not in perfect condition or reaching his ultimate potential of his own.

      Since he's a Quincy with a quite realistic, no-nonsense personality (he doesn't let people activate or get to attack with an intact Bankai), he doesn't care about the best battles or epic moments. He just wants to reclaim the world and everything in the world is for his taking.

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    • Well there are two ways Yhwach can possibly be defeated: 1.Uryu-Haschwalth said Uryu has the power to defeat Yhwach.That's why Haschwalth had to cripple him.Yhwach even said Uryu's power is stronger than his own.Uryu could be the only one who can defeat him. 2.Hollow Reiatsu-They said Hollow reiatsu was poisonous to the Quincy,Yhwach took away Ichigo's Hollow powers and put the power into himself.

      Yhwach is overpowered but can be defeated.

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    • We still can bet on nel and grimmjow because they are arrancars and we don't know how much they improved.Or,as Bleachleader said,be can bet on Ishida.I still bet on Aizen because now Aizen is the only one who can actually ,,hurt" Yhwach's power to see the future.Ichigo is such a jerk,after he trained so much,gained balance between powers,he still can't use Zangetsu at full power even after years of wielding it and talking with it.We don't know how he did train with the zero squad but now we saw that all that training did nothing.He had the potential to defeat Yhwach and the powers to do it.What bothers me is:Did Yhwach steal his zanpakuto?Because if he stole the 2 main powers(HZ and QZ) that means he stole ichigo's zanpakuto.This is so mindblowing.

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    • Yhwach was rarely get overpowered by certain people, and I mean it as an actual verb, not an adjective. It is unspecified or uncertain if the powers Yhwach gains also means he can use those absorbed powers in question. Since Yhwach says he'll lay waste to Soul Society and Ichigo is now greatly weakened for now, Ichigo is going to need a lot of new things going on. He could already use Gran Rey Cero. Now he'll need something that Yhwach can't simply stop.

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    • Dekoshu there is nothing Ichigo can do to beat Yhwach.Ichigo did something he never ever did before,give up.Ichigo should have brought Uryu with him,for they could have had Chad fight Haschwalth so that Ichigo,Uryu and Orihime could go to Yhwach.

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    • That's what I'm exactly talking about, Bleachleader. Someone or something that can actually counter Yhwach's The Almighty, not just protected from it: Uryu Ishida.

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    • Ishida,Aizen and Ichigo.Best combination.Uryuu rejects Yhwach's power to change the future and Aizen interfers with Yhwach's ability to see the future and Ichigo does the hack/slash thing.

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    • EddyD1 wrote: Ishida,Aizen and Ichigo.Best combination.Uryuu rejects Yhwach's power to change the future and Aizen interfers with Yhwach's ability to see the future and Ichigo does the hack/slash thing.

      To be honest, that's even more effective.

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    • Honestly, I don't think Aizen's powers can effect the Almighty. KS effects the senses, what they see in front of them in the present. Aizen wouldn't be able to effect Yhwach's ability to see into the future any more than he can effect a memory or a thought. Aizen doesn't make a person attack left. He sets up an illusion to direct the person to attack left. There's a difference. Aizen can't alter memories or psychic visions. He distorts perception, what is currently happening, not a thought or memory of something that will happen or has happened. Those are solid and can't be altered. Which is why he was able to fool Yhwach into thinking time had slowed down when it was actually moving normal during their first encounter.

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    • So, Northstar, you said Aizen's illusions can't affect The Almighty, right? Then simply trying to mess with his perceptions may not be enough, which Yhwach proved when Mimihagi was still defeated.

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    • I don't think Aizen can effect The Almighty at this point. That ability exists separately from his five senses. Its his "sixth sense", the ability to see into the future, not into the now. KS creates an illusion that effects a person's perception currently in the present, not alter the thought of something happening in the future. You're probably thinking more like the Book of End, that alters memories. Aizen makes you see Option A or Option B, then uses that confusion to attack you in cover. Yhwach sees Option A, B, C, D, E, F, G, etc. simultaneously and chooses which option works best for him and it happens instantly. Aizen doesn't defeat you with his illusions. He defeats you under the cover of his illusions with his physical abilities.

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    • Don't forget that Aizen's Bankai ability is still unrevealed. As I mentioned in an earlier post Aizen's shikai may only affect the 5 senses but his Bankai may even be able to affect how your mind perceives the world so if I'm right Aizen may be a crucial key to defeat Yhwach and shutting down the almighty (and it would have the added bonus of FINALLY revealing what an illusory type Bankai as strong as his could be)

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    • I think you guys are all forgetting the fact that the Hogyoku dissolved Aizen's Zanpakuto so he can't use Complete Hypnosis at all, let alone on Yhwach.

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    • I didn't forget at all that his Zanpakutou was dissolved by the Hougyoku.

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    • Well there are things that are unrevealed like Shinji's bankai and Ichibei's bankai that can do something to Yhwach.Haschwalth could also do something to Yhwach,don't you think?

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    • It's taken care of now. But the problem still derails something: Ichigo would need something more just a repaired Tensa Zangetsu. But who's generous enough to share their Quincy powers, Hollow, and more Shinigami powers to make Ichigo overwhelmingly stronger and join him to fight Yhwach? Ichigo is quite fed up of having to repeatedly regain his Shinigami powers.

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    • Dekoshu wrote: It's taken care of now. But the problem still derails something: Ichigo would need something more just a repaired Tensa Zangetsu. But who's generous enough to share their Quincy powers, Hollow, and more Shinigami powers to make Ichigo overwhelmingly stronger and join him to fight Yhwach? Ichigo is quite fed up of having to repeatedly regain his Shinigami powers.

      Ginjo,who stole his powers in fullbring arc.Aizen because he has the hogyoku and can do tricks with it.Maybe Urahara-sensei,he always comes with weird inventions.In the last pages we saw him going to the portal,so he won't borrow powers or fight with his friends supporting him.I don't know what's in kubo's mind right now,but it was easier to use Tsukishima go in the past and stop Yhwach from stealing his powers.If he could actually stop Yhwach from breaking Ichigo's Tensa Zangetsu,he can do this.Another thing is that Yhwach said that Tensa Zangetsu is powerful.Maybe it has an ability that can counter Yhwach and that's why he rushed to break it.Of course it will be a Getsuga Tensho because spammer ichigo.

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    • Well, I was right about one thing...they pulled a dues ex machina out of nowhere.

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    • Ichigo's last attack will be Getsuga Tensho.

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    • Look here is how it will go.Ichigo,Aizen and Uryu will defeat Yhwach.Aizen will then betray Ichigo and Uryu and take Yhwach's power and thus become the new Soul King and then Ichigo will then use FGT again but this time it will be permanent and will hit Mugetsu three times but that will do nothing to Aizen.Uryu will then use his Antithesis to switch Aizen's power with Yhwach who is dead and then Ichigo will hit Aizen with a final attack to defeat him.

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    • Bleachleader wrote: Look here is how it will go.Ichigo,Aizen and Uryu will defeat Yhwach.Aizen will then betray Ichigo and Uryu and take Yhwach's power and thus become the new Soul King and then Ichigo will then use FGT again but this time it will be permanent and will hit Mugetsu three times but that will do nothing to Aizen.Uryu will then use his Antithesis to switch Aizen's power with Yhwach who is dead and then Ichigo will hit Aizen with a final attack to defeat him.

      One last betrayal of Aizen would be something unexpected for me and I would appreciate it :D

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    • Northstar1012 wrote: Honestly, I don't think Aizen's powers can effect the Almighty. KS effects the senses, what they see in front of them in the present. Aizen wouldn't be able to effect Yhwach's ability to see into the future any more than he can effect a memory or a thought. Aizen doesn't make a person attack left. He sets up an illusion to direct the person to attack left. There's a difference. Aizen can't alter memories or psychic visions. He distorts perception, what is currently happening, not a thought or memory of something that will happen or has happened. Those are solid and can't be altered. Which is why he was able to fool Yhwach into thinking time had slowed down when it was actually moving normal during their first encounter.

      Ahh, but Aizen can make Yhwatch experience memories of the illusion. The illusion itself is a real thing, and if Aizen keeps it up for the foreseeable future, it would at least "cover" certain "timelines" (possible futures). It might even be that he could use it to perfectly simulate what The Almighty shows Yhwach. After all, if Aizen can manipulate all 5 senses (plus whatever senses involve feeling Reiryoku or whatever, and probably more than that as well), that's probably because he can tap into the brain's perception centers themselves, meaning ANYTHING that someone perceives, through ANY sense, can be manipulated by Aizen.

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