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  • So with sleepy Grimmjow right now, i was wondering.

    How on earth is Grimmjow going to fight Sternritter?, let alone the elite four.

    Even if he has a segunda etapa he's going to get stomped, but I know he won't because Kubo will pull something out of his posterior.

    I'm just wondering what that thing will be...

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    • We have learned that Hollows are poison to Quincies. With that in mind, maybe he doesn't need to be super powerful. That could be the sole reason why Askin ran away from him twice, the fact that he's an Arrancar and potentially lethal to them.

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    • Hmm who knows. Kubo might actually give him a much stronger form than Resurrecion and Segunda Etapa. Making him the strongest Espada.

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    • One word: fanservice

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    • Kaido King of the Beasts wrote: One word: fanservice

      Finally a realistic answer.

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    • TripleX6 wrote:

      Kaido King of the Beasts wrote: One word: fanservice

      Finally a realistic answer.

      So you just ignored my answer and went straight to the fanservice answer? Ok.

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    • I can't see Grimmjow being stronger than Starrk or Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra (because let's be real Yammy ain't relevant to any power level discussion), no matter what he was doing in Hueco Mundo for the past two years. If anything, he'd injure/defeat Askin by virtue of having deadly Hollow Reiatsu, assuming Askin doesn't manage to overcome that with The Deathdealing as well.

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    • Xilinoc wrote: I can't see Grimmjow being stronger than Starrk or Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra (because let's be real Yammy ain't relevant to any power level discussion), no matter what he was doing in Hueco Mundo for the past two years. If anything, he'd injure/defeat Askin by virtue of having deadly Hollow Reiatsu, assuming Askin doesn't manage to overcome that with The Deathdealing as well.

      Explain how the other arrancar were defeated so easily then and I'm not just talking about hallibel.

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    • TripleX6 wrote:

      Xilinoc wrote: I can't see Grimmjow being stronger than Starrk or Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra (because let's be real Yammy ain't relevant to any power level discussion), no matter what he was doing in Hueco Mundo for the past two years. If anything, he'd injure/defeat Askin by virtue of having deadly Hollow Reiatsu, assuming Askin doesn't manage to overcome that with The Deathdealing as well.

      Explain how the other arrancar were defeated so easily then and I'm not just talking about hallibel.

      Well, just what are you talking about exactly? They were defeated by better opponents and smart tactics (Hachi's handjob). Or are you referring to Kurotsuchis zombie squad? Im not really following you at all

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    • Aarioniero managed to incapacitate Rukia while nearly succeeding in using psychological warfare against her. He just let his guard down at the end.

      Szayelaporro trashed a lieutenant and a Quincy, Mayuri's tactics and intelligence just exceeded his.

      Zommari gave Byakuya a good fight. Byakuya was simply the better warrior.

      It took Kenpachi, who can usually dispatch opponents in seconds, several chapters to overcome Nnoitra. Not an easy kill for him by any means.

      Ulquiorra was only defeated by Ichigo level 2 hollow bs

      Halibel survived one of Hitsugaya's ultimate attacks and faced three powerful Shinigami on even ground before being stabbed in the back by Aizen, who used Kyoka Suigetsu to warp her perception.

      Barragan had to be outwitted by two Shinigami opponents who sacrificed their arms to defeat him, and he was killed by his own power, not theirs.

      Starrk managed to get the upper hand on FOUR captain-class Shinigami who, like Barragan, had to resort to tactics and trickery to wear him down.

      So yeah, I don't see how the Arrancar were defeated so easily.

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    • I would argue that Kenpachi dragged out the fight with Nnoitra so he could have more fun, being his usual self, he could have been able to end it sooner if he removed his eyepatch right away. And Baraggan's Respira was an overpowered technique that couldn't be countered unless used against him.

      Otherwise I agree with your statements.

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    • Kaido King of the Beasts wrote: Aarioniero managed to incapacitate Rukia while nearly succeeding in using psychological warfare against her. He just let his guard down at the end.

      Szayelaporro trashed a lieutenant and a Quincy, Mayuri's tactics and intelligence just exceeded his.

      Zommari gave Byakuya a good fight. Byakuya was simply the better warrior.

      It took Kenpachi, who can usually dispatch opponents in seconds, several chapters to overcome Nnoitra. Not an easy kill for him by any means.

      Ulquiorra was only defeated by Ichigo level 2 hollow bs

      Halibel survived one of Hitsugaya's ultimate attacks and faced three powerful Shinigami on even ground before being stabbed in the back by Aizen, who used Kyoka Suigetsu to warp her perception.

      Barragan had to be outwitted by two Shinigami opponents who sacrificed their arms to defeat him, and he was killed by his own power, not theirs.

      Starrk managed to get the upper hand on FOUR captain-class Shinigami who, like Barragan, had to resort to tactics and trickery to wear him down.

      So yeah, I don't see how the Arrancar were defeated so easily.

      The only Arrancar that was defeated so easily is Yammy. Plus old man Yama could've wiped out all of the Arrancar he just didn't want to.

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    • Why does it even matter? This is Shonen. Training happens.

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    • Don't be unfair about Yammy and Yamamoto, it took 2 monstrously strong captains to beat him off screen and get badly beaten while doing it and Yama may have been a force of destruction but Wonderweiss and Barragan combined probably could've crushed him.

      In regards to Grimmjow, Urahara promised him something in return for helping so it's entirely possible that Urahara might use a method similar to how he helped Ichigo get bankai to help him get segunda etapa and the last time a segunda etapa was used it took a godlike hollow Ichigo to take him down

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    • DarkMuse616 wrote: Don't be unfair about Yammy and Yamamoto, it took 2 monstrously strong captains to beat him off screen and get badly beaten while doing it and Yama may have been a force of destruction but Wonderweiss and Barragan combined probably could've crushed him.

      In regards to Grimmjow, Urahara promised him something in return for helping so it's entirely possible that Urahara might use a method similar to how he helped Ichigo get bankai to help him get segunda etapa and the last time a segunda etapa was used it took a godlike hollow Ichigo to take him down

      Yammy was raging like an 8-year old kid from COD while Byakuya and Kenpachi are just screwing around. Old-man Yama could just use bankai to beat all of the arrancar.

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    • Byakuya and Kenpachi, though acting as arrogant as ever, were mentioned to have been badly injured by the medical corps so I have to believe Yammy put up a good fight but the truth is they never hinted at what his rage enhanced form could do so speculation isn't really easy either way and for Yama, since Wonderweiss' whole existence was made to counter his zanpakuto I have to believe he had a shot at sealing the bankai too

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    • LankersSMH wrote: Why does it even matter? This is Shonen. Training happens.

      True Grimmjow must of been doing something during the time skip.

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    • DarkMuse616 wrote: Byakuya and Kenpachi, though acting as arrogant as ever, were mentioned to have been badly injured by the medical corps so I have to believe Yammy put up a good fight but the truth is they never hinted at what his rage enhanced form could do so speculation isn't really easy either way and for Yama, since Wonderweiss' whole existence was made to counter his zanpakuto I have to believe he had a shot at sealing the bankai too

      Wonderweiss didn't do shit even if old man Yama didn't get to use his zanpakuto. Also he could do it way before Wonderweiss arrives at the battle.

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    • Wonderweiss did do exactly what he was supposed to (Yama did lose his powers exactly according to plan and as a result all the energy Wonderweiss absorbed made him into the bomb that took Yama out of the game) even though he was clearly a of one-shot-wonder and couldn't even beat a "powerless" Yamamoto in a pure fight. Whereas you are right about Yamamoto using his full power before Wonderweiss even showed up Yama would never have done that because they were in the world of the living so Aizen knew he could take his time and not have Wonderweiss there from the start or else Karakura Town and its surroundings might be annihilated

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    • Well,i have a theory. We have already seen that Grimmjow has developed some power-ups on his own(Pantera's claws on unreleased state),and he may have developed a segunda etapa too. But,since Grimmjow had a trash Resureccion(compared to his unreleased state),i really dont think that a segunda etapa would be a huge power-up.

      So,what's gonna make Grimmjow a Schulzstaffel-level fighter? Urahara may have assisted Grimmjow for it.Using the Hougyoku,Urahara,in order to gain Grimmjow's help,he made him a complete hollow-shinigami hybrid.

      It may sound weird and unrealistic,but it has its chances. After killing Sternritter J,Grimmjow had his sword on Urahara's throat.Apparently,Urahara and Grimmjow had a battle between themselves,and probably Grimmjow gave a hard try on Urahara,enough to convince Urahara that Grimmjow was worth to trust with,and enough to convince Grimmjow that Urahara is as strong as Aizen.

      Also,considering Orihime and Chad were there,Grimmjow understood that Urahara was on Kurosaki's part,and he needed a great power-up,in order to agree help Urahara.Finally,Grimmjow may understood that with his current powers,he couldnt beat and kill Kurosaki.Anyway,he was "watching" (with reiatsu),how Ichigo beat Ulquiorra,and how much superior did Ichigo's Reiatsu get,and he was informed by Urahara that he beat Aizen.

      For all these reasons,Urahara,in order to get Grimmjow's help,he made him a complete hollow-shinigami hybrid,just like Tosen. Grimmjow,while being in Hueco Mundo after Urahara's contract,he was training with Urahara and Yoruichi,to master his new powers,together with Neliel and Fullbringers(as shown on manga)

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    • Hitsugaya: My release literally fucks up the environment if we don't put measures in place to protect everything. Absolute buffoons: YaMaMoTo ShOuLd'Ve BaNkAi'D eSpAdA

      No. Because in a defensive battle you are not only trying to defeat the enemy, but protect the civilians and surrounding area. If Yama went Bankai those pillars would have probably melted, especially if Poww's dumb ass could destroy one. If the pillars were destroyed by his Bankai; everyone in Karakura would be nice, charred and ready for Aizen to use them to make the Oken.

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