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| + | == Yūkōjōchū or Mūkōjōchū? == |
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| − | The current profile picture is just a place holder until we get a shot of what he actually looks like. It will be replaced whenever (and if ever) we get a proper image of him. --[[User:Yyp|Yyp]] 16:59, December 2, 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | I've recently watched episode 247 and am currently watching episode 250, and in both episodes, when referring to Muramasa's Shikai ability of '''Yūkōjōchū Muramasa''', they instead say '''Mūkōjōchū Muramasa'''. Is this a romanization error or Viz translation preference, or did the English Dub correct the word much like how Viz corrected '''Brazo Derecha de Gigante'''? Because if the latter is the case, should we change it?--[[User:Xilinoc|Xilinoc]] <sup>([[User talk:Xilinoc|talk]])</sup> 00:30, October 16, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | What do people think of the picture on the right replacing the current picture? The current picture has a lot of noise with the lighting and stuff, so I thought that this new one would be better. [[User:Tinni|Tinni]] 17:54, December 16, 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | == Yūkōjōchū Muramasa is Bankai == |
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| − | :No lightning, face forward, entire head is shown, includes red braids(speaking of which y doesn't Rukia have Kuchiki braids, she would look so much cooler). Overall I don't see y anyone would disagree with that image replacing the current one. [[User:Minato88|<span style="color: #FFD700;">'''Minato'''</span>]][[w:c:Bleach:User talk:Minato88|<span style="font-size:95%; font-family: courier new; color: #FFD700;">(Talk)</span>]] 18:01, December 16, 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | According to CD 11 of the [[Zanpakutō Rebellion]] arc ([[Wikipedia:ja:BLEACH_斬魄刀異聞篇#cite_ref-2|source from here]]), '''Yūkōjōchū Muramasa''' is Kōga's Bankai. [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] <sup>([[User talk:Yatanogarasu|talk]])</sup> 23:55, April 23, 2016 (UTC) |
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| − | ::I'm all for that one. The lightning in the background is really annoying. This one seems pretty good. --[[User:Yyp|<span style="color: #4CC552;">'''Yyp'''</span>]] [[w:c:Bleach:User talk:Yyp|<span style="font-size:95%; font-family: courier new; color: #4CC552;">(Talk)</span>]] 18:02, December 16, 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | :Ah...uh...oh, no. [[Talk:Maki Ichinose#Saigyoku Nijigasumi|Oh gosh]], [[User talk:Neo Bahamut#Re: Saigyoku Nijigasumi|oh geez]]. |
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| − | Very well, I will go ahead and made the change. I did change the image slightly, cropping it and making sure more of his necklace was showing. [[User:Tinni|Tinni]] 18:26, December 16, 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | :Alright, in this case we've got more proof than with Ichinose, but let me say this: I'd take this information with a grain of salt because the anime never really indicates that this is Kōga's Bankai. As with Maki, if they wanted him to have a Bankai, that'd be fine and very easy to implement because he's a filler character - he'd just have to have said "Bankai" before saying the words "Yūkōjōchū Muramasa" and that would be that, no hinting or beating around the bush necessary. However, he never did, and to my knowledge Bankai has only ever been performed without saying the word ''once'' in the entire series, which was by Byakuya, well-known for being a master of his Zanpakutō (which Kōga really wasn't). On top of that, I think we've gotten incorrect info from the Japanese wiki before, and this CD is supplementary material to already existing supplementary material - who knows if the information therein was written by Kubo, or even by Pierrot, Kōga's creators?--[[User:Xilinoc|Xilinoc]] <sup>([[User talk:Xilinoc|talk]])</sup> 03:48, April 24, 2016 (UTC) |
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| + | ::Well, Kōga himself is non-canon, and so would all these supplementary. But the fact that it is there is the best source we have. Maybe the anime makers just "plum forgot" to add "Bankai" to the script for whatever reason, so they decide to add it with the supplementary. Point is, if ''something'' sources it (aside from fandom or complete speculation), then we should use it. It's not like Shaz Domino's ability, "Sigma", which is from a non-canon source (light novel), while Shaz himself is manga-canon; both Kōga and the supplementary are non-canon, so this source can be compatible. [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] <sup>([[User talk:Yatanogarasu|talk]])</sup> 04:31, April 24, 2016 (UTC) |
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| − | ==Zanpakutō and its abilities== |
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| − | I've added Yamamoto's description of Muramasa's powers from ep248. And his Bankai is "not achieved" until proven otherwise. Do not change it. --[[User:Yyp|Yyp]] 16:59, December 2, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | The only reason I said it was `unknown` was because it was originally spelled `Unkown`. I don't know why, but it did. [[User:Glacial Blaze|Glacial Blaze]] 21:41, December 13, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | How sure are you that it was not achieved, he said whisper first, and then a similar name like how Ichigo releases that materializes Muramasa, versus the other one just turns the blade itself against the owner. I do believe he has bankai (although it was never directly confirmed). -Des |
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| − | :''sigh'' why must we keep having this conversation. Once again, the default setting for all non-gotei 13 captain level shinigami is that "bankai: not achieved". Shinigami who are or were captains of the Gotei 13 (i.e. have the haori) have a default setting of "bankai: not revealed" unless they are explicitly stated to not having achieved it like Kenpachi. Koga was not a Gotei 13 captain at any point in time. Therefore, his bankai status is and will remain "not achieved" until proven otherwise. [[User:Tinni|Tinni]] 04:59, December 16, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | I know this wasn't officially stated, but it seems to me that Muramasa is a kido-base zanpakuto. I think that should be added to Koga's page.[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] 18:45, December 16, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | For a long time now when I said that Muramasa's sword was the size of a wakizashi on his page, no one changed it. In fact, Muramasa's page still says it is a wakizashi. So why is it now only Koga's page says it is the size of a standard katana. When Muramasa first showed his sword, it appeared fairly short. [[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] 19:10, December 16, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | If you watch ep250 again, you will see that his sword is of similar length to that of all the shinigami he fights. It is not a wakizashi in its sealed state. I did think it was shorter when Muramasa had it, but in 250, that is plainly not the case. --[[User:Yyp|<span style="color: #4CC552;">'''Yyp'''</span>]] [[w:c:Bleach:User talk:Yyp|<span style="font-size:95%; font-family: courier new; color: #4CC552;">(Talk)</span>]] 00:14, December 17, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Koga's sword only looked alittle smaller with him, because Muramasa is shorter. still, its not a wakizashi. Gin's sword is a wakizashi. [[User:Minato88|<span style="color: #FFD700;">'''Minato'''</span>]][[w:c:Bleach:User talk:Minato88|<span style="font-size:95%; font-family: courier new; color: #FFD700;">(Talk)</span>]] 00:18, December 17, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | In which case it could be a Kodachi, which is a sword that is just a little bit smaller then a katana (also tends to be more defense) -Des |
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| − | == Koga's Relationship with Other Members == |
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| − | The only confirmed relationship is Ginrei. Do not say that any other member of the Kuchiki family is so-and-so just yet until it is confirmed by someone in the next few episodes. --[[User:Gold3263301|Gold3263301]] 07:04, December 16, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | The last I checked, Koga didn't say "bankai" when he used his "Yūkōjōchū Muramasa" ability. Until he does or says something that indicates that was a bankai, that's just a shikai ability. [[User:Tinni|Tinni]] 11:58, December 16, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | While It's Entirely possible that that was his Bankai, seeing as how he pretty much Dominated Muramasa the same way as any bankai user, we shouldn't classify it as bankai until it is made canon. [[User:Blackwolf99|Blackwolf99]] 00:13, January 18, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | I think overall this is a better picture for his history section as it shows all his features from a better angle, plus there's a shot of muramasa in it as well as his usual expression at the time [[User:Grimmjow2|Grimmjow2]] 13:21, December 19, 2009 (UTC) [[File:Kouga.JPG|thumb]] |
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| − | == Shikai Command == |
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| − | The last version listed the plain form of the word "whisper", ''sasayaku''. Koga is clearly heard using the imperative form, ''sasayake'', to release Muramasa's Shikai. I have edited the section and kana accordingly. |
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| − | --[[User:Faceplant|Faceplant]] 10:21, December 23, 2009 (UTC)Faceplant |
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| − | If its not to hard to request , I was wondering if more images of koga when he was younger could be posted. there are many images during flash back episode of full body shots that could be used as ref's, when descriping his apperance and dresseing manner. |
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| − | And if not posted then may i be directed to someone page that might have said images. |
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| − | thank you |
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| − | --[[User:Tekko tetsu-tenohira|:Things I touch seem to fade away:]] 08:21, December 28, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == Kido == |
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| − | Hey, I just saw the latest episode, but where does it state in that episode that this is actually |
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| − | a form of Kido? They could just have been special forms of attack from the different type of |
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| − | weapon he is using. If we count this as Kido then shouldn't those spiritual threads be Kido too?--[[User:Rejuvenation|Rejuvenation]] 15:25, January 8, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :U kno u make a really good point. I was wondering how he could use the Spirit Threads without Muramasa. He explained it, but that doesn't make any sense. Anyway, I do not have an answer for u, other then his Zanpakuto Muramasa and its(his?)powers seem like Kido, or atleast derived from Kido. To be honest, I just don't care anymore. I just want it on the record that I really hate this Arc. It is complicating things enormously around here. [[User:Minato88|<span style="color: #FFD700;">'''Minato'''</span>]][[w:c:Bleach:User talk:Minato88|<span style="font-size:95%; font-family: courier new; color: #FFD700;">(Talk)</span>]] 15:30, January 8, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Koga "but how is your kido" -> starts casting a bunch of spells, eventually -> Byakuya "your kido is a joke next to my Senbonzakura". So yes, both Koga and Byakuya confirmed that the adamentine fire, the raging lightening fang and conquering ice fang storm are in fact kido spells. Also, he used just one weapons. He used the same sealing spear all through out the fight. So there was no "different weapons". [[User:Tinni|<span style="color: #DA70D6;">'''Tinni'''</span>]] [[w:c:Bleach:User talk:Tinni|<span style="font-size:95%; font-family: courier new; color: #DA70D6">(Talk)</span>]] 15:35, January 8, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Was the illusion ability also kido?--[[User:AizenSama|AizenSama]] 21:48, January 9, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :No, it was his own abilities. Ordinarily it would be impossible for a Shinigami to use his zanpakuto's abilities(Muramasa), without his Zanpakuto, but this Arc doesn't care about what makes sense and what doesn't. [[User:Minato88|<span style="color: #FFD700;">'''Minato'''</span>]][[w:c:Bleach:User talk:Minato88|<span style="font-size:95%; font-family: courier new; color: #FFD700;">(Talk)</span>]] 21:54, January 9, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Since we can safely assume that Koga is dead now, should we make the status of his Bankai "Never Achieved" ? [[User:Blackwolf99|Blackwolf99]] 00:23, January 18, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | "Not Achieved" will suffice - same as what is on Shiba Kaien's article. I've changed it. --[[User:Yyp|<span style="color: #4CC552;">'''Yyp'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Yyp|<span style="color: #4CC552;">('''Talk''')</span>]]</sup> 10:14, January 18, 2010 (UTC) |
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Yūkōjōchū or Mūkōjōchū?
I've recently watched episode 247 and am currently watching episode 250, and in both episodes, when referring to Muramasa's Shikai ability of Yūkōjōchū Muramasa, they instead say Mūkōjōchū Muramasa. Is this a romanization error or Viz translation preference, or did the English Dub correct the word much like how Viz corrected Brazo Derecha de Gigante? Because if the latter is the case, should we change it?--Xilinoc (talk) 00:30, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
Yūkōjōchū Muramasa is Bankai
According to CD 11 of the Zanpakutō Rebellion arc (source from here), Yūkōjōchū Muramasa is Kōga's Bankai. Yatanogarasu (talk) 23:55, April 23, 2016 (UTC)
- Alright, in this case we've got more proof than with Ichinose, but let me say this: I'd take this information with a grain of salt because the anime never really indicates that this is Kōga's Bankai. As with Maki, if they wanted him to have a Bankai, that'd be fine and very easy to implement because he's a filler character - he'd just have to have said "Bankai" before saying the words "Yūkōjōchū Muramasa" and that would be that, no hinting or beating around the bush necessary. However, he never did, and to my knowledge Bankai has only ever been performed without saying the word once in the entire series, which was by Byakuya, well-known for being a master of his Zanpakutō (which Kōga really wasn't). On top of that, I think we've gotten incorrect info from the Japanese wiki before, and this CD is supplementary material to already existing supplementary material - who knows if the information therein was written by Kubo, or even by Pierrot, Kōga's creators?--Xilinoc (talk) 03:48, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
- Well, Kōga himself is non-canon, and so would all these supplementary. But the fact that it is there is the best source we have. Maybe the anime makers just "plum forgot" to add "Bankai" to the script for whatever reason, so they decide to add it with the supplementary. Point is, if something sources it (aside from fandom or complete speculation), then we should use it. It's not like Shaz Domino's ability, "Sigma", which is from a non-canon source (light novel), while Shaz himself is manga-canon; both Kōga and the supplementary are non-canon, so this source can be compatible. Yatanogarasu (talk) 04:31, April 24, 2016 (UTC)