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Former Hollow Powers

How are they former? He literally used them in the final battle, and beside that, the new novel (i know we cant reference it yet) explicitly states he has it still. After the last battle it never stated anything about losing that power. --J spencer93 ^(talk) 01:17, July 28, 2017 (UTC)

When Yhwach used his power drain attack on Ichigo, the latter said he could feel his Quincy and Hollow powers being drained away. Since he did not use them subsequently, it was assumed that this indicated that Yhwach had stripped him of them. The most-recent light novel has confirmed he still has his Hollow powers, but - so far as I know - doesn't mention his Quincy powers. As with the Naruto light novels, the canonicity of the Bleach light novels is heavily debated among the fandom, but the general consensus on this fandom has been to dismiss the light novels as non-canon because they are not solely written by Tite Kubo himself. Arawn 999 ^(talk) 03:21, July 28, 2017 (UTC)

(Since this discussion isn't closed), I have to say I agree with the OP. There is nothing to suggest Ichigo's Hollow and Quincy powers are permanently gone after Yhwach's defeat. On the contrary, the manga itself clearly states that Ichigo's Hollow, Quincy, and Shinigami powers are linked and one and the same. Yes, Yhwach was said to drained Ichigo's Quincy and Hollow powers, but since he could still use his Zanpakuto (a fusion of them all) later on, even in Bankai, suggests that they weren't fully drained and Ichigo still had them.
Besides, we saw that Liltotto and Bazz-B still had their Quincy powers and Schrift even after the Aushwahlen, so it does seem that Yhwach's drain is not permanent if it's not fatal.Timjer ^(talk) 20:18, December 30, 2019 (UTC)

Well, since nobody actually disagreed with this yet, I suppose I'll change Ichigo's powerset, as my reasoning does make perfect sense to me. Timjer ^(talk) 13:16, January 5, 2020 (UTC)

I agree with this change. The reasoning also makes sense to me. SilverRain ^(talk) 14:52, January 24, 2020 (UTC)

Ancestor

Should Yhwach not be added to his infobox as an ancestor? The man outright stated he is the progenitor of the Quincies, and his blood flows in all Quincies. Ichigo later says this himself. These aren't ambiguous statements. The same applies to Uryū, but I decided to bring it up on Ichigo.—Mina Țepeș [[File:Two Star.png|20px|link=User talk:LastationLover5000]] 10:39, October 7, 2018 (UTC)

Possible unlocking

Hey, is it okay if Ichigo's page is unlocked again? SilverRain pointed out there's a small inconsistency that I'd like to fix. Namely that his Bankai section still states that he lost his Hollow and Quincy powers, despite the consensus on the talk page that he did not. Likewise, it looks weird as those two are no longer under the "former powers" section. Timjer ^(talk) 08:50, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

Done, go for it.--Xilinoc ^(talk) 12:28, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

Alright, done. I reworded it a bit to be more accurate to what was shown on-page, removing any (minor) speculation.Timjer ^(talk) 13:07, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

I disagree that it's speculation that Yhwach absorbed Ichigo's powers, since Ichigo states he can feel his Quincy and Hollow powers being drained from him: Yhwach: "The power I gave you... I'm taking it back." Ichigo: "Oh... it's going away... the Quincy power inside me. The Hollow power that was mixed with it... disappearing... it's disappearing... into white." Ascha'Vovina ^(talk) 20:26, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's speculation that Yhwach absorbed Ichigo's powers at all, that's clearly stated. I'm saying that it's speculation that that's the reason his Bankai changed to resemble his old Shikai. Timjer ^(talk) 20:51, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

Ichigo's Zanpakuto

Do We Know For Sure If Ichigo's Zanpakuto In The New Arc Is His Bankai? It Doesn't Quite Make Sense For Him To Default Into Bankai At The Start Of A Battle, Especially Without Even Saying Bankai. I Think It Might Be His Shikai. Bob1200 ^(talk) 06:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

While it would be weird, yes, it's technically the non-speculative answer at the moment. The last time we saw Ichigo, not only was his Shikai still the true two-blade form, but his Bankai had just broken its outer portion to become identical to his old Shikai, and that blade is what Ichigo uses in this new one-shot. There's nothing indicating or stating that his Shikai somehow reverted to the fake Quincy version, and if we said that it had on the wiki we'd be lying/speculating - so for now, we're calling it Tensa Zangetsu pending more information.--Xilinoc ^(talk) 06:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Bleach: Brave Souls calls it "True Zangetsu" and Jump Force calls it "Shin Tensa Zangetsu", so we at least have pseudo-official names for it, if anything. Ascha'Vovina ^(talk) 07:03, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Alright So Its More Of A Wait And See Kinda Thing, lol. Should There Be An Addendum To The Bankai Section With The Picture Of Him In His Current Form? Bob1200 ^(talk) 07:39, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

The best thing is that the wiki states things as they are, and right now, that's how they appear. People seem to fear being wrong like when Izuru was hurt bad everyone wanted us to list him as dead, to say he died but the Manga didn't confirm he was dead just that he was grieviously injured. For now, the Manga stated that the Shikai we knew was not the real Shikai, Ichigo's real Bankai reverted to look lik his first Shikai while attacking Yhwach. Now, maybe Ichigo's battle with Yhwach changed things up again but we dont know yet and it's ok to be like "ok that was wrong". We don't get it right everytime and it's ok, it's about being as accurate as possible with the information we currently have. We once said Gin killed Rangiku but that's because it looked like and he stated he killed her, at that moment, saying he killed her was true because it was the information we had at the time. When she was revealed to have been alive then its ok Gin stated he killed her and lied. The speculation comes when you specualte he lied before he stated he lied. Crossing bridges when we come to them sorta of thing. Don't worry, just bide your time. SunXia (Chat) 00:43,8/13/2021 

Kubo's clarification regarding Ichigo's Zanpakutō

Tite Kubo recently released a statement clarifying how Ichigo's Zanpakutō works, which has been floating around online and been translated a few times by fans... though the accuracy of these translations is a different story. The gist of it is that all Zanpakutō except for Sayafushi and Zangetsu have two components - a "blade" and a "scabbard" (with most taking this literally), and that when Zangetsu was reforged Nimaya split it into two with the larger sword acting as the "scabbard" for the smaller sword. Ichigo's bankai merges them together, with the white outer coating being the scabbard - hence the chain attached to it - and the "true Zangetsu" being contained inside. Ichigo reabsorbed the shattered outer layer after Yhwach's defeat and can split his Zanpakutō back into two swords again, but has chosen to keep them fused together.

A few online journalist and blogging sites have posted on this, but I can try to find an untranslated copy of Kubo's statement and if anyone here understands Japanese the wiki can have a crack at accurately translating it, assuming that's something you guys want to happen. Ascha'Vovina ^(talk) 19:49, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey, so thanks for posting this here for posterity, but it's already been implemented as well as it can be on the wiki atm (you'll see edits to Ichigo's, Szayelaporro's, and the NBFH summary's pages that change mentions of "his Bankai" to "his sword"). Here's why we haven't added anything more explicit/specific about this information, though:

1. The translations and Kubo's explanation are both very iffy/hard to understand - we can't verify the former (and fan translations have misled us greatly in the past), and the latter seems purposely vague (with that mention of "I don't want to talk too much about it here" at the beginning).

2. The overarching problem with adding information provided by Kubo on Klub is, as great as it is to finally be getting direct answers from the man himself on stuff like this...how do we source it? Not only is it supposed to be Japan-exclusive, but unlike UNMASKED and other materials that were just released only in that region, Klub is a subscription service meant for Japanese fans only (though obviously people have gotten around that with VPNs). So compared to manga/anime/movie/game information, if we were to cite a specific question/answer combo from the forum, the vast majority of readers can't really go and independently verify it themselves with their personal copies of the material or whatnot. That can't really be squared with our current, longstanding, and well-serving reference policy, so for the time being we're just compiling info on User:Timjer/Sandbox 2 and waiting to see if anything changes re: availability.

I hope this doesn't come off as trying to shut you down or anything, I'm glad we got some kind of answer, but that's why we can't really do anything with it until we actually see the process and/or get an explanation in a future chapter of the manga.--Xilinoc ^(talk) 07:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Ahh, so that's why those changes were made. Yeah, no, I get it. It's certainly unfortunate that the information isn't more widely available. I'm assuming that citing one of the journalism sites reporting on it -- something I've seen some other wikis do when writers reveal additional information in interviews and/or on social media -- wouldn't work with the "current, longstanding, and well-serving reference policy" you mentioned, then. But at least we have some clarification. I'm still waiting on a concrete answer from Kubo as to why Ichigo stopped using his Hollow Mask - assuming he hasn't already given one on Klub. And whether his "Horn of Salvation" form is a type of Resurrección and/or just replaces his Hollow Mask. Ascha'Vovina ^(talk) 08:40, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

The extended fight in episode 387

This buffs his increased power from the Soul King Palace training. It is not just Candice he overpowers, but the other female Sternritter as well.RyuHousen ^(talk) 22:47, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree. The anime showed all four female Sternitters using their Vollständig, and still Ichigo calmly defeated them.Steveo920 ^(talk) 02:40, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Not really seeing how this is any different from the manga - if he could throw Candice around without issue and not get even a scratch from Meninas, he was already well above all four of the Bambies. What's this obsession with his powerscaling?--Xilinoc ^(talk) 05:27, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Stating that he is able to overpower 4 Sternritters' Vollständigs isn't superfluous with the current wording regarding his spiritual power. It shows a better understanding of just how much stronger he got compared to when he fought a Sternritter for the first time. --RyuHousen ^(talk) 11:16, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Changing the translation of Zangetsu from Slaying Moon to Slashing Moon

Iirc, I was the one who years ago typed the translation of Zangetsu to be "Slaying Moon". This was due to the kanji 斬 being one of the kanji meant to kill. However, I decided on changing that with these points in mind:

• https://jisho.org/search/%E6%96%AC 斬 is used to refer to a type of "slashing, beheading, cutting, killing, chopping or butchering".
• https://jisho.org/search/%E5%B1%A0 屠 is one of the kanji used mainly to refer to either slaying or slaughtering, but it too can tie into butchering when all used on its own.
• https://jisho.org/search/%E6%AE%BA 殺 is the more common kanji used on its own to refer to "killing or murdering" (though "satsujin/殺人" is more commonly used specifically for "murder/homicide"). 殺 with hiragana particles in kun'yomi is also often used to refer to slaying, via the common word "koroshi/goroshi".

That's what I have so far which I'm not sure how to take it up with the Translation Corner. SneaselSawashiro ^(talk) 05:19, 21 February 2024 (UTC)