Who would win and why...Ulquiorra in his Ressurrection Segunda Etapa form or Hallibel in her only Resurrection form? GO!!!
Who would win and why...Ulquiorra in his Ressurrection Segunda Etapa form or Hallibel in her only Resurrection form? GO!!!
True, all good points, but I have to disagree on a few points. While I will concede on Barragan being outpaced, since we don't actually know the extent of his power, I'd have to disagree with Stark and Hallibel being Ulqiorra's equal in speed once he enter his segunda etapa form. Maybe equal in sonido speed, but movement speed is something else entirely. Hallibel's attacks are always incredibly broad and usually she is only quick for split instances to counter and create an opening for another devastating attack. Ulqiorra could simply keep in close and overwhelm her with his never-before-seen attack speed and power (as in the other Espada hadn't seen it, so at the very least it would create an opening for a deadly hit on Hallibel). As for Stark, if he has out his pistols Ulqiorra would just need to close the distance by using his increased speed or creating an opening with a powerful counter attack (such as Lanza) to create an explosion he could use for cover. Once the wolves are out, it would turn into a long-range game for Ulqiorra, who'd only need to use Cerro Oscuras or Lanzo del Relampego to pick of Stark or the wolves. Anoter option would be to use one of these attacks as a distraction, lure the wolves away, and then attack Stark while the wolves are far enough away to buy a few seconds to beat Stark's sword with use of his own, his tail to create an opening, and a spare clawed hand to create an up-close cerro.
Starrk's wolves are pieces of he and Lilynette's soul, go where he tells them to, and can't be destroyed, so the First Espada's suicide doggies aren't gotten rid of easily. Also, we don't know if Starrk can fire Cero Mentralleta while the wolves are out, so dodging one won't save you from the other.
Starrk is noted to pay extreme attention to details, so I'm more than certain he could figure out when Ulqiorra's about to lay down a trap or such and counter it easily. Cero Mentralleta is a massive barrage of Ceros, so the Fourth Espada would need a large Lanzo del Relampego to properly block it, on top of the fact that it's a continous stream of Ceros, so after throwing one Lanzo, it would only break apart the first chunk of Ceros, allowing plenty more of the blue blasts to power through.
Close-range combat, you say? Well, Starrk has a Hierro so thick he can take the full brunt of a Melee-type Shikai to the face and barely get a scratch.
Hallibel's also had never seen Toshiro's bankai, but she was able to parry with it and gain an advantage after a while, no?
Both good points, but if I'm not mistaken, Nnoitra had the strongest hierro, and nnoitra still did't risk a fight with Ulqiorra when he had the chance (although this scene may also be misconstrued, and he could've genuinely been joking with him), so I can only assume that Ulqiorra could beat him with resurrection form, which means he could cut any Espada if he could hit them in ressurection form, but you made a good point about Stark being to smart to fool so easily. Stark would never put ALL his wolves far away from him just to pursue an enemy, so the fight could easily come down to whether or not Ulqiorra can dodge, destroy, or take the hits from Stark's wolves. As for the blocking of Cero Mentralleta, the volley is fired so fast, that if the first is hit with Lanza, the next would hit the partially-exploded first and the partially-exploded Lanza, chain-reacting until Stark stopped firing long enough for the Cero on Cero explosions to take place. He would most likely not waste energy continuing it and break the chain almost immediately, but that would still create a second of ceasefire unless Stark pursued Ulqiorra around it or plowwed through. If that was his tactic he'd be easy pickings for the full force of a Cerro Oscuras. That isn't likely though, and more likely than not he'd send some wolves, but they are seen a far ways off. To me it seems most of the fight would be Ulqiorra dodging wolves and having a Cero fight with Stark, and since it is known that Ulqiorra can easily discharge rapid bala, this would suffice to stop a snipe shot from Stark, and would create openings in the Mentralleta. Oh, and i forgot in my last comment, but if a wolf took off one of Ulqiorra wings (not likely unless Ulqiorra was caught off guard), it would regenerate. Considering both our points, I still think Ulqiorra could beat Stark. He'd simply need to outlast him, as he ran out of steam pretty quickly in ressurection form against Shunsui, and Ulqiorra has never, and was only beaten because of his loss of internal organs. Now, if Stark could use Gran rey cero or Cerro Oscuras as the ammo in a Mantralleta, I have no doubt that it would be unblockable and uncounterable, forcing Ulqiorra to dodge or die, but ordinary cerro could be easily deflected, stopped, countered or dodged. As for the wolves, since they can be stunned by a killing blow and take a second to reform, it's safe to assume that while using his speed to dodge, Ulqiorra could delay them long enough to gain some ground. Being hit by Stark's cero Shunsui was practically unharmed, so it's also safe to say that Stark's Mantralleta is meant to kill by barraging, so taking a hit is of little consequence, and in their dense form, it is also easily possible that Ulqiorra could deflect crucial shots, only taking superficial wounds that regenerate. Once close enough, the wolves aren't a problem, as Stark couldn't do much of a blast without hurting himself, and Ulqiorra would need only to outpace Stark's bandoleers and not get caught off guard.
As for Hallibel, she was able to be on par with Toshiro easily, but Toshiro also uses a lot of broad-attacking and more devastating attacks, so they often just countered repeatedly. Ulqiorra can do both broad and precise strikes almost simultaneously in segunda etapa form. One hit and she'd suffer considerable damage, but I doubt Ulqiorra would stop at one if he got an opening against a tough opponent. I'm pretty sure Hallibel would lose pretty easily.
PrinceVertigo wrote:
Another thing to consider, Hallibel probably doesn't know that there's water in someone's body.
Question how do you draw a compression between knowing about bodies of water like rain, rivers, lakes and oceans to the water in a person body?
How would she know what to call water if she has never seen it?
"For the majority of her life, she's lived in a desert, eating other Hollows and defending against those who would challenge her or her group. The only people in Hueco Meundo who had any scientific knowledge" One does not have to be a scientist to know there is water in someones body.
Even if she had never seen any water in HM her weapon is water that being said. Even if she only fought the hallows that attacked her when she fought them even in manga the hollows bleed when cut or blasted. So she would see the blood. And remember that Hallibel is pretty smart has seen in her fight with Hitsugaya which is the best of her limited scenes that shows this. So its a safe bet to say that she would know that there was blood in someone body.
"drawing a compression"? You'll have to fill me in on what that means.
Hollows do not need to drink, only eat other spirits to fuel their raging hunger and become stronger. Knowing there's blood in someone's body is different from knowing there's water in someone's body. Hallibel can't move blood. Also, since there is a lack of water in Hueco Mundo, Tier would probably have to use the water she creates on her own.
What we know as common knowledge might not be the same for Hollows. Barragan didn't know there were any realms besides Hueco Mundo until Aizen told him. They're in a massive desert, always on the run from other, stronger, hollows. The only seeming form of government was Barragan's kingdom, and he didn't do anything but eat and force his subjects to hunt and do battle for his amusement. Knowledge doesn't seem like a very useful thing compared to strength when you're in a constant flight-or-fight situation.
Rundus1 wrote: Both good points, but if I'm not mistaken, Nnoitra had the strongest hierro, and nnoitra still did't risk a fight with Ulqiorra.
PrinceVertigo wrote: "drawing a compression"? You'll have to fill me in on what that means.
I did meant huh no i quoted you on that.
PrinceVertigo wrote:
Another thing to consider, Hallibel probably doesn't know that there's water in someone's body.
@PrinceVertigo
I'm sure he meant "draw a comparison".