Character and element (e.g. devices) names
I know you can't confirm the official English spelling for this dude, but I think I have found the Katakana for this dude "リューダス・フリーゲン" (Ryūdasu Furīgen) But the thing is I can't find the damn RAW for this chapter to confirm it. So I figured I'd bring this to your attention because I thought you might know the answer :) --Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 20:48, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
- I tried to check this on some of my usu. sources, but the BLEACH Japanese Wiki, a good source for katakana etc., is woefully behind on updates: they still barely have any data on the Fullbringers (!).
- A Japanese tweet @tite_kubo seems to confirm, or at least strongly hint, that your rendering above, リューダス・フリーゲン (Ryūdasu Furīgen), is correct for the name's katakana. The tweeter amusedly says that the name reminds them of アンダース・フリーデン (Andāsu Furīden), i.e. Anders Fridén, lead singer of Swedish metal band In Flames.
- The fact that the katakana uses Ryūdasu instead of Rūdasu would seem to suggest that the tentative romanization *could* be Lüders--since katakana generally adapts the German diaeresis u (= ü ) with yu--but, as you said, there's no way to know how Kubo would romanize it, officially, yet. Adam Restling (talk) 07:03, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
I think I have found the Kanji and Katakana for Tres Bestia "「3獣神 （トレス・ベスティア）」" (Toresu Besutia). What I found appears to be different to what is on Apacci's page so I don't know which one is the correct one. I found the RAW but the quality is rather low.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 19:10, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
- * Mangahead won't let me see the image, not even if I go directly to the site. In the meantime, the kanji that you put up means "Three Beast Gods" and fits well with their theme of chimera and whatnot. --Reikson (talk) 19:42, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
- The link is borked? It works for me but here try this one.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 20:42, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
- In Nel's first usage of term (which is largely in katakana), she translates it as sanbiki no kedamono "three beasts"; but near the end of the chapter, it does appear in word balloon as your 3獣神 （トレス・ベスティア） Toresu Besutia, with the meaning you gave "three beast spirits/gods". Of course, I think this should be Tres Bestias, but you know Kubo :). Adam Restling (talk) 14:16, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, the singular use here makes sense; remember, Apacci, Sung-Sun, and Mila-Rose have that Quimera Parca thing that they can do if they're really desperate. Three in one and all that. Even if it's just a case of Kubo not knowing Spanish "quite" that well, the context here would appeal to him. --Reikson (talk) 14:21, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
This a little strange, I have found the katakana for Stern Ritter "シュテルンリッター" (Shuterunrittā) but I can't find the Kanji. Here is the RAW so that you can see what the Kanji is.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 19:19, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
(If that link doesn't work try this one http://s3.mangahead.com/mangas/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-489-Raw-Scan/13.jpg)
- Site doesn't allow hotlinks for me. Maybe if you could post the relevant image... --Reikson (talk) 19:47, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
- Additionally, the first word on THIS particular page... apparently the kanji is 了解 (ryōkai, meaning "roger [that]" as per radio transmission). Can't make out the katakana, only that the apparent transliteration is supposed to be "eingeshworen" which is apparently a German word meaning "confirmed." Maybe Kubo's taking the gratuitous German a little far in this instance? --Reikson (talk) 19:47, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
- The kanji used for Stern Ritter are "星十字騎士団", which Tangorin translates as "Star Cross Chivalric Order", but we're best waiting for confirmation from Adam before making any additions. Blackstar1 (talk) 19:53, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
Speaking of the German meaning, it can mean both "Star Knight" and "Star Knights" since the noun "Ritter" has the same form in both singular and plural. -- The Goblin I'm feelin' the flow 21:48, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like you guys got it: Sternritter/Stern Ritter (星十字騎士団 (シュテルンリッター) Shuterunrittā), from German for "star knight(s)" (sg. or pl. as Goblin said), with underlying Kanji for "star cross knight band/order"; while chivalry is related to knighthood, it's not a good choice for the translation, its current meaning referring to courteous knight-to-maiden conduct.
- Reikson talks about eingeschworen "confirmed", and yeah: Kubo is really enjoyin' his Deutschin' in this arc XD. Adam Restling (talk) 13:39, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
- The kanji translates as "special mention (特記, tokki)" and "war potential (戦力, senryoku)" so, if you think about it, the context DOES mean "special (war) weapon" and stuff... --Reikson (talk) 21:50, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
- Reikson is correct: tokki combines 特 "special" and 記 "account, notation", and could be rendered "notable/noteworthy" i.e. "special"; senryoku is more lit. "war/fighting power", combining 戦 "battle, war, fight", and 力 "power, strength, (cap)ability". The best way to translate this, keeping its apparent dehumanizing aspect, eludes me at present; if I think of anything good, I'll let you know. Adam Restling (talk) 13:55, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
I found the kanji for the "Quincy Vollständig" (滅却師完聖体), which Tangorin translates as something like "Destruction Monk Perfect Host/Subject", although "聖体" can mean "the emperor's person/the body of Christ", somewhat explaining the angelic form Kirge adopts (i.e. having both wings and a halo). Blackstar1 (talk) 14:49, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
- My translation for the kanji was "Destruction Practitioner: The Final Eucharist" or something like that... --Reikson (talk) 15:16, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
- I ran it by a friend who is japanese, he translated it as Holy Master Total Destruction. Take that for what you will.--
- Perhaps it's best to break down the kanji, piece by piece: 滅却師 is Monk of Destruction (from our own article on the Quincy); 完聖体 literally translates to "perfect holy body". The full translation would then become "Monk of Destruction's Perfect Holy Body". MarqFJA (talk) 17:35, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
- The term itself means "Complete Quincy" (German vollständig = "complete", from voll "fully[y]" + ständig "permanent, constant", prob. < "standing/keeping in position: < Stand "position"); the Kanji combine those which, as you've pointed out, are the usual for Quincy, mekkyakushi--which is < mekkyaku "extinction, destruction" + the suffix -shi, "master, doctor", basically used to refer to a respected practitioner of the root meaning--and Kanji for "full(y)/whole(/ly) sacred form/body"--a bit of that extra nuance we all lurv Kubo for. The use of seitai (聖体) in additional meanings of "the form of the emperor" and "corpus Christi" are mere extensions of its original, basic meaning of "sacred form/body".
I have found the complete Kanji and Katakana for Quincy Vollständig "滅却師完聖体 (クインシー・フォルシュテンディッヒ)" (Kuinshī Forushutendihhi). Also I've heard the Kanji translated as "Monk of Destruction Complete Holy Form" Is that translation also correct?--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 19:16, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
Heirich Pfeil - Chapter 490
On pgs. 9 and 10, Kirge talks about something called a "Heirich Pfeil"... while I can't be arsed to find the kanji (that, and the relevant page on Mangahead is entirely in Chinese), I looked around and "Pfeil" is German for arrow but couldn't find anything for "Heirich" so this part's probably a transliteration bork. --Reikson (talk) 15:31, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
- The word used is Heilig, which means Holy/Sacred/Divine. --
- Kanj for "Heilig Pfeil" means "Holy Destructive Arrow" or something like that... --Reikson (talk) 23:23, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
- If the data, Kanji and kana you guys provided above are correct--and they seem to be--then we have Heilig Pfeil (神聖滅矢 (ハイリッヒ・ブファイル) Hairihhi Bufairu), Japanese (in Kanji) for "destroying arrow of sanctity", German for "holy arrow".
- Kanji means "God of Justice" and all that sort of stuff... I think that Biskiel's a transliteration bork. Can you find the katakana? --Reikson (talk) 15:41, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
- What it means in German?
18:20, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Biskiel is not a german word.--
Could whoever answers this request, also please translate the surrounding sentence as well, as I want to establish whether Kirge was referring to the name of his attack or his Vollständig in general - "我が完聖体「神の正義」の力を!!!" Blackstar1 (talk) 13:07, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
- It says something to the effect of "My Vollständig (Kanji: wholly sacred form) 'Biskieru' (Kanji: justice of god) 's power" + the object particle wo (を), making this power the subject of whatever verb he was to use, e.g. maybe "show the power (chikara wo)".
- Dunno what "Biskieru" is, how to actually spell it, or what it means; if I can find out, I'll let you guys know. :) Adam Restling (talk) 13:16, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
- One translator thinks it may be intended as some kind of "angel name" (what with the form having angelic motifs) that "Opie" has given to his Vollständig, perhaps to be rendered either *Biskiel or *Viskiel after all (compare Gabri-el, Dobi-el etc.). It's as good a guess as any, but I can't seem to find any evidence in angelology for such an angel, or where the Kanji "justice of god" might come in; the traditional angel of justice is Zadkiel. Adam Restling (talk) 09:09, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
Nanao's Book (Turn back the Pendulum)
Hello, could you translate the cover of the book that Nanao and Lisa were going to read in Chapter 9? Here is a link to the page showing the cover, on manga-access.com. --3Chris (talk) 07:42, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
- Apparently, it's 鈴生姫, which I've read is rendered Suzuo Hime, meaning, roughly, "bell-like princess"; the element 生 has a wide range of meanings, beginning with its basic one of "live, be alive", through to many extended meanings, such as "be like, be of the nature of" (< "live as"), "birth/be born" (< "[be] give[n] life"), etc. etc.
- I tried to find out if this was a real historical book, but was unsuccessful. Adam Restling (talk) 09:49, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
- Blut is German for "blood"; the Kanji mean "blood guise/array". Adam Restling (talk) 11:57, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
General/Other translation issues (e.g. conjugation/miscellanea)
On Gin's page, the info for his game-only abilities seems to have an error. For his Yarisazame, there's only the kanji for yari (Spear) and sa (gauze). I tried to fix that ages ago by adding in the missing kanji for same/ame (rain), but it got undone. Is that supposed to be the official way to write Yarisazame in kanji? Should the rain kanji be there, it would have to translate to "Spearing Gauze Rain." --Belial Edge (talk) 23:59, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
- According to the Japanese Wiki, you're right: 槍紗雨 Yarisazame, meaning "gossamer rain of spear(s)" (紗 can mean "gauze" or "gossamer", and I just chose the one I thought sounded *kewler* :) ). Didn't mention the command for it, tho. Adam Restling (talk) 09:53, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I think Spear Gossamer Rain sounds more accurate and short enough, forgive me for that opinion, if that will get me out again like with the Zanpakutou translations that is. :P
- The command however is fine I suppose. I never heard Yarisazame's executions in Japanese dialogue though so I can understand that it's hard to pin that down. --Belial Edge (talk) 03:12, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
"Tenchi Kaijin" misspelled
Sorry to pollute the recently-archived corner already (XD), but I chanced to notice that in Zanka no Tachi's "North" ability, correct Tenchi ~ is misspelled Tenchin ~ on Yamamoto's page. I tried to fix it (since it was minor), but am forbidden from editing the page; and for expedience, I'm bring this up here. Adam Restling (talk) 00:42, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
"I permit you."
- According to the Japanese Wiki, the word for "permission" is, *apparently*, 許可 kyoka. But to confirm this, and get an accurate rendering of the phrase she uses it in, I implore someone who has it to post a pic from the raw--according to our refs on her page, it's mentioned in ch. 434 pgs. 13-17, and ch. 441 pg. 17. Raws from that "far" back in the series are hard to come by (at least for me) these days... Adam Restling (talk) 21:39, September 30, 2012 (UTC)
- "あんたを許可する"わ("anta wo kyokasuru" wa) — talk 22:25, September 30, 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you much, Zhyenyoq :). Looks like Riruka, at least in addressing Ichigo, uses the above, putting it in quotes, even. Anta is a coarse informal form of anata "you"--almost exclusively used by women--made the object of the following verb by the accusative particle wo; and kyokasuru is simply the verb "permit" formed from the noun kyoka permission; wa is the feminine verb-subsequent particle. Adam Restling (talk) 05:18, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
Incorrect name kanjisOn Heizō Kasaki's article the kanjis for his name are incorrect, those are the kanjis for "Seinosuke Yamada"; it should be these kanjis 笠城 平蔵. Evidence is provided with this image:
Sorry to bother you with more Fullbringer arc shenanigans. I thought we had it somewhere, but could you translate the literal Japanese term for Byakuya's Hurtless Area? Luckily we already have the raw this time around:
Mohrpheus (Talk) 04:15, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
- Nothing to be sorry for; Fullbring Arc stuff is as important as aught else :).
Not sure if you have any way of getting the raw on hand, but if you can find it, can you translate the incantation Ebern used when he tried to steal Ichigo's Bankai? Mohrpheus (Talk) 13:38, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not very sure of these kanji :)
- — talk 17:04, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
Aufreide. (Melt) Meer eh wolken, wolken eh regen, regen eh nebel. sieht balle eh um sieht ballen. (Sea to cloud, cloud to rain, rain to fog. that with shape to that which is unseen.)
Wir gut freude, Danach Vrund Dill Becher! (After our jubilation, the chalice will be turned face down!)
This one broke my brain, but, then, I don't have a great grasp of German grammar and idiom.
I don't think anyone's done this yet (at least above), but the katakana spelling seems to be:
- Mēa e Voruken Voruken e Rēgen Rēgen e Nēberu Jihitobāre e Unjihitobāren
- Vīa gūto Furoide dāna Vuranto diru Behhyā
デイル seems to actually be ディル diru (note small i [ィ]); rosu, the furigana reading above saa (さあ), is, I guess, supposed to be *los, command (singular) form "draw! toss up" of German losen (saa in Japanese is usu. "come/go [on]"): the impression seems to be him evoking the elements in his "spell" to "do it, now!"
(note German nouns are, properly, all capitalized, so I tried to follow this above [where it seemed more certain])
The Weekly JUMP version seems to contain words (like aufreide, Vrund, and Dill) which seem not to occur in German (at least for the meanings they're ascribed above), whether I check a) my dictionary, b) Wiktionary (both English and German vers.), or c) Google searching phrases like "German <the word>".
Plus, the katakana spellings seem odd if the words are accurate; for example: the -ei- in *aufreide would, in German, rhyme with English eye (like katakana ai), not have an "ee" sound, as here (katakana ī ); jihito- for sieht seems odd, since ieh is usu. a longer "ee" sound, and we should expect *jīhito; why is danach spelled as though *dahna instead of a more apt katakana *danāhha?; a word *Vrund should be Vurunto, NOT Vuranto, etc. Kubo mistakes, or... ???
I would've thought that the whole (Un)jihitobāre(n) things were forms derived from (un)sichtbar "(in)visible" (even if shiseisumono seems more properly "formative thing[s]", it's paired with miezarumono [見えざるもの] "unseen thing[s]"), perhaps elaborated as adjectival nouns *"things seen and unseen" (?), but I dunno.
Here's another: with the raws for 510, I noticed that Royd and Loyd's names are depicted a little weird (to distinguish them since the kana are identical?), so I was hoping to get some confirmation from you guys. In addition, some clarification on their separate abilities would be pretty handy. Thanks! Mohrpheus (Talk) 11:54, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
- Ah, gomen. I was gonna suggest orientation (Left/Right) since they use those abbreviations sometimes for hidari and migi in Japanese, but unless I'm mistaken they're on the opposite sides for that to work. So I think you're probably right and that it relates to the fact a Quincy name ought to be written in roman script, where there'd be a difference.Vraieesprit (talk) 21:31, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Just in case this wasn't answered in the above, the use of "Lの" (Eru no) and "Rの" (Āru no) are apparently just the "narrator" (Kubo) giving us explicit notes (along with spelling their names in those roman "labels") of which Roido is meant to be spelled with initial L-, and which with initial R-; they aren't meant to be nor needed as official "prefixes" of their names, from what I can see. Adam Restling (talk) 09:15, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
Aizen War Power?
- tokki-senryoku no hitotsu to shite wa ga kika ni hairu you itta ga an no tei kotowari-otta.
- "As one of those with special war potential/power, I spoke to him about him coming under my command, but as I anticipated, he refused."
- I don't know if Bwiki has an official translation for 特記戦力, but it literally means "particularly notable battle power". Vraieesprit (talk) 01:09, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Soldat (聖兵 (ソルダート), sorudāto; German for "Soldier")
- The Japanese characters mean "holy soldier", if that's relevant.Vraieesprit (talk) 22:02, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Kana is ゾルダート, isn't it? — talk 22:24, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
- I think Blackstar is right. It looks like a 'so' to me, but the edge of the character is a little indistinct so at first glance it appears to be a dakuten ;)Vraieesprit (talk) 22:33, October 11, 2012 (UTC)'
I thinkI'm sure there is a dakuten. German 'Soldat' starts with 'z' sound. [zɔlˈdaːt] — talk 04:56, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
I think Zhenyoq is right (as Vraiee also intimated): there does seem to be extremely faint dakuten on the kana for so (making it zo), even fainter (by a smidge) than that of the one for da, so Zorudāto (ゾルダート) is prob. correct; although we might note that the plural should've been Soldaten, I believe ;). Adam Restling (talk) 09:29, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think Yama's referring to it, I think it's a narration comment. 真央 means dead centre, but Central seems to suffice. Kanji order would make it Central Underground Great Prison. I would tweak it to Central Great Underground Prison, but that does shift the nuance slightly. Vraieesprit (talk) 00:56, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
Vraie's suggestion seems most apt: either "great central" or "central great underground prison"; like J.R.R. Tolkien said, in English, you should say "the great green dragon", not "the green great dragon" ;).
Sabitsura & Fugai
I noticed that two districts of Rukongai are missing kanji and translation.
- Sabitsura (錆面, lit. "Rusty face")
- Fugai (郛外, lit. "???")
- — talk 22:42, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
- My dictionary says that 郛 means "earthwork around a castle" (but it's a draft record). And is Sabitsura translation right? — talk 08:34, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
So it seems that 郛 is some (earthen) ward around something, like a bourg; and 外 does mean "outside".
- It's correct, though they mispelled the first word; it's "Schatten". The literal meaning of the two words is "shadow/shade" and "field/region". MarqFJA (talk) 17:05, October 30, 2012 (UTC)
- Schatten Bereich (影の領域 (シャッテン・ベライヒ), shatten beraihi)
- Kanji is like "shadow territory" or "territory of shadow(s)". — talk 13:54, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the raw link. It looks like badkarma had the correct: "heaven-pillar palanquin". Adam Restling (talk) 03:17, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
Can I get as much of this page translated as possible. All the translations so far differ widely, some saying that the Royal Palace is in Soul Society, some saying it is not, others attribute some dialogue to Shunsui while other attribute that same dialogue to Ichigo.--
- Badkarma has done what looks like a pretty good translation of the raw chapter here. It does seem like most of the dialogue of that pg. 13 is Kyouraku responding to Ichigo's initial questions, and that Ichigo merely asks something like
- "The 'Reiou Palace'...? Is that not inside the Seireitei...?"
- and then Kyouraku seems to intimate that the wall that's been protecting the "constantly-in-crisis" Seireitei usually protects the Reiou Palace... but without confirming it. There doesn't seem, however, to be any answer of where the Reiou Palace (which we know resides in its own space, accessible only by the Ouken) might actually lie. Adam Restling (talk) 03:36, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
Senshumaru Shutara (修多羅 千手丸, Shutara Senshumaru), holding the title "Guardian of Weaving" (大織守, Oorigami). Is any of this written out correctly, translated correctly or even in the correct naming order for this site?--
- No way of knowing without a raw (and Mangahead won't have one for a few days yet), but... if the above Kanji are correct, then the name reading "Senshumaru Shutara (Shutara Senshumaru)" is prob. correct; the "title" is (as I think it was in the translation), properly, Ooorigami (with three os)--oo-, "great, big" + ori "weave, weaving" + kami, which is a possible reading for 守 "guard, protect"; in you guys' spelling, it should probably be Ōorigami.
- If the raw comes out and the above proves wrong, we can correct it. :) Adam Restling (talk) 08:44, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like Dragonlord is right; the dakuten for at least that kana is easy to see, it should be Senjumaru (it seems).
- Oh, and I forgot before, I think, but I'd render Ōorigami as "Great Weave Guard". Adam Restling (talk) 05:39, November 24, 2012 (UTC)
Title "King of Cereals" (穀王, Kokuō). Is this at all ordered and translated correctly?--
- No way of knowing without a raw (see above), but... if the above Kanji are correct, then it seems right, although I'd use "Ruler of Grain" or something, because: a) koku can be translated either "cereal" or "grain" (which are basically the same thing, themselves); and b) although 王 is ostensibly "king", it can sometimes, it seems, be used in a more neutral sense ("regent, ruler") as it is in things like The Twelve Kingdoms--and as shin "god, numen" is for Yoruichi in her title Shunshin "god(dess) of flash". Since (as far as we know ^^) Hikifune isn't male, this seems like the better course.
- The fancy-pants in me wants something like "Grain Liege", but that may be too abstruse ;).
- If the raw comes out and the above proves wrong, we can correct it. :) Adam Restling (talk) 08:57, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
Is this guys name Bonze or Oshou, if its a name or title is unsure of as well. Im not sure of what the Kanji is but this all took place in bleach 517 around page 11 or so each time it was said by captain kyoraku a few minutes before the guy tells ichigo he is taking him to the soul palace.--
- No way of knowing without a raw (see above), but this was apparently a translation on Mangapanda's part: bonze is an English word for a Buddhist monk. There is, also, a Japanese word oshō (和尚) I was able to find, which serves as an honorific term/title for a high priest, esteemed/head monk, or, more generally, a "master" (of an art or trade)--this could be the original term that was translated; we'll just have to wait on dat raw. At any rate, it seems more likely to be a title, not a name, but... ? Adam Restling (talk) 09:08, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
Can someone please confirm this translation of Zero Division (零番隊, zerobantai), as it is currently absent from the Royal Guard article? It is used in chapter 516, page 9 (bottom panel). Blackstar1 (talk) 22:09, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
- This "Zero Division" is simply the same as what has been long-translated as "Squad 0"--the number + -ban (suffix for a number in a series) + tai "troop, squad"; cf. how Hitsugaya (to Shawlong, I think) introduced himself as Jūbantai taichō "Squad 10 captain" (or, more lit., "#10 troop/squad troop/squad-head/chief"; taichō "captain" being, more lit., "troop/squad-head/chief").
- I *think* this was how they were described in previous chapters and databooks--that is, when a) they were mentioned at all, and b) when they weren't called by their alternate name of the Royalty Special Force (王属特務, more lit. "royal-kind-special[ly]-task[ed]--a tough term to translate well!) or whatever; although, in some of those cases, the Japanese reading of "zero" (零), rei, may've been used. Adam Restling (talk) 09:26, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
Can someone please take another look at the English translation of Reiōkyū (霊王宮)? While the term has been briefly touched upon before, it seems like it would be rather open to interpretation depending on how someone decides to group the kanji. The term is mentioned in chapter 516 and again in chapter 518. Blackstar1 (talk) 17:35, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
- Well, the supposed "king" of the Soul Society who resides there is called the Reiō (霊王 Soul King). Based on this, I would translate Reiōkyū as the "Reiō Palace" (or, if one for some reason must translate everything fully, "Soul King Palace".
- In isolation, rei is "soul", and ōkyuu could be "royal palace" (although even that is still, lit., "king" + "palace, shrine"); but since we know there's a being/thing(?) called the Reiō, "(the) Reiō Palace" seems like an uncontroversial translation, so far as we know. Adam Restling (talk) 10:14, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
Kuukaku Says "Uncle"
I don't know where this might work, or if it's just useless trivia, but I thought I'd note that when Kuukaku says " 'uncle' will be sad" (in ch. 518), she uses the word 叔父貴 Ojiki, which is used to refer to an uncle who is younger than your parent (i.e., this uncle is your parent's younger brother).
This would *seem* to insinuate that this is a lit., biological uncle she's referring to, rather than the common use of "uncle" to = "old guy, 'pops' ", but I guess we'll have to wait and see. You can delete his if you want; as I said, I don't know if it has any place here on the Wiki, but I thought I let you guys decide. :) Adam Restling (talk) 10:25, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
Volume 57: OUT OF BLOOM poem
I found the poem featured in Volume 57. 
Bleach Asylum says it's something like
Even if I scatter and never bloom again
I scatter like a flame, beautifully
Poems are always harder since (as is the case with English poetry--and prob. poetry in general) it can use trickier turns of phrase etc. With those caveats stated, I'll take my mad crack at it (XD).
Chirite nido to ha | sakazu to mo
Honō no gotoku ni | chiru zo uruwashi
"Scattering twice | without even blooming
Like flames | scatter, beautiful"
Analysis: Chirite seems to be the archaic "-ing" form (which Kubo is fond of in his poetry) of chiru, which is usu. "scatter" or "fall (of leaves)"; but Kubo may also have had his eye on its extended possible meaning "die a noble death"--after all, "falling" (in battle) like leaves in autumn is a pretty elegant image.
Nido is "twice, two times"; to ha is usu. used after a word to show it's being defined (prob. < to, quotative particle + topic particle ha [pronounced "wa"])--the idea of the meaning is "as for 'scattering twice'..."; sakazu is "not bloom", a rarer negative form of saku "bloom".
To mo is a VERY troublesome element, because of its many possible meanings: it can mean "certainly", "even if/no matter (what, who etc.)", "though", "without even" OR simply serve as emphasis. I just chose the one that seemed most likely, given context.
The phrase honō no gotoku ni is adverbial, "like (no gotoku ni) flames/blaze (honō)"; we get chiru again + zo... I guess the emphatic particle (?); and, lastly, the adjective uruwashi "beautiful" (which is usu. built on the Kanji 麗 rather than 美).
Bleach Asylum is a good place, and there are many other good translators there; however, translation is always tricky, and poetry makes it more so. I give my own version with analysis to try and a) show why my version is like this, but also b) so others can decide what seems most correct. I also tried to be more lit. (even at the risk of the result sounding stilted and unnatural) to avoid the pitfalls of inserting erroneous pronouns or other such interpretations. Trans. are tricky, but one can avoid more out-and-out mistakes, at least, with more info. Adam Restling (talk) 12:05, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
Kagerōza Inaba (影狼佐 因幡, Inaba Kagerōza). Wrong order kanji. Right order: 1. Kagerōza Inaba (因幡 影狼佐, Inaba Kagerōza); or 2. Inaba Kagerōza (影狼佐 因幡, Kagerōza Inaba). Confirm it. Bogobor (talk) 02:41, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
- I'd suggest you be more courteous towards others or you will find yourself not lasting long here.--
Kirinji Tenjiro name
Can we please get confirmation on spelling of Kirinji Tenjiro's name and the title as well. I see in one scan it has ō instead of o at the end of Tenjiro. Page 14 of chapter 519. Thanks in advance, ~~Ууp <talk> 14:24, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
- And without the kanji, you don't actually know what the order is. Leave it for Adam to find out.--
Thanks, Kisuke, but those are the strictly-Chinese characters (including *some* simplified versions not generally used in Japanese, like 汤), but, assuming such spoiler data is right (at least enough to use until the actual raw comes out), we can figure some things out; luckily, it seems most of the Kanji work in both.
Based on the above, my tentative version would be: "Hot Spring Demon" Tenjirō Kirinji (泉湯鬼 麒麟寺 天示郎 Sentōki Kirinji Tenjirō) (note that 湯 is the unsimplified form of Chinese 汤). As has been noted elsewhere, the term kirin (麒麟) appears not only in his surname, but in his "palace" name etc. It's the Japanese form of the fabulous Chinese animal, the qilin. Nowadays, it's used mainly for the giraffe, because the giraffe was believed, in olden days, to be the mythical animal come to life; a similar thing happened with the Hebraic leviathan, which today chiefly means "whale", rather than the legendary beast of folklore it originated for. Adam Restling (talk) 12:21, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
- Here is the raw confirming Adam's above translation. Blackstar1 (talk) 14:27, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
Currently we have titled the article Spirit King based on the kanji 霊王. But more and more, source after source seems to be saying Soul King. I know Rei could possibly be Soul or Spirit but is Soul King more correct than Spirit King or is it an either or situation?--
I generally translate 霊 (esp. in relative isolation) as "soul" both because it has a more focused, less general meaning than "spirit" (e.g., you don't usu. hear "team soul!" XD) and because, since the Kanji is usu. pronounced rei (when not tama or tamashii), I liked the one "syllable"-to-one syllable match-up.
Japanese has so many words for "soul/spirit/heart/genius/numen/etc." that it's sometimes hard to parse and be consistent, and it may in some cases be preferable to leave some things untranslated, or "semi"-translated (like reishi). I might translate konpaku as "spirit", even though it's borrowed from the Chinese term for "whole of one's soul, the shade (identity/mind) and vim (life-force/qi)", where the generality, here, I guess = the summation; but it's difficult to create a two-syllable match (-paku ends up sounding nearly like "pawk") without sacrificing some nuance--that's where glosses/"trivia" helps out a lot. Maybe leaving it as konpaku, too, would be better???
Here's the kanji and romaji to some of the many terms mentioned in chapter 519 that require confirmation, particularly the English translation. Here is the raw. Blackstar1 (talk) 14:27, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
- Reiōkyū Omotesandō (霊王宮表参道)
- Reiōdaidairi (霊王大内裏)
- Kirinden (麒麟殿)
- Chi no Ike Jigoku (血の池地獄)
- Hakkotsu Jigoku (白骨地獄)
"Reiōkyū omote sandō" (霊王宮表参道) is Hikifune's description, "(an) ingress to the front of the Reiou Palace": omote is "face", but is also used for the front or exterior of a building (as here); sandō is "a road approaching a shrine" (san, here meaning "going/coming/visiting" + dō "way, road"). It's a kind of "vestibule-road", the "entrance which continues to the Reiou Palace inner hall/palace" (Reiōkyū honden he tsuzuku iriguchi).
Reiō daidairi (霊王大内裏) does mean the "greater Reiō Palace" (daidairi = "greater palace", apparently, more lit., "the great within").
Kirinden (麒麟殿) is "kirin palace/hall", named after the mythical animal by way of Kirinji's surname, most likely.
Chi no Ike Jigoku (血の池地獄) means the "Blood Pond Hell", likely a reference to the pool of blood Diyu (Chinese hell; Mandarin Diyu and Japanese Jigoku ultimately hail from the same term).
Similarly, Hakkotsu Jigoku (白骨地獄), as Kirinji seems to refer to his hot spring as--meaning the "White Bone Hell"-- is probably taken from some other Diyu wherein sinners are bleached down to their bones, maybe via cauldrons of cooking oil... but I couldn't find a specific reference for that one as easily. Adam Restling (talk) 18:39, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
Looking through some older scans, the term 'Seireimon came up, apparently a collective reference to the four gates of Seireitei. Of course, these older translations were far more erroneous than our current ones. Nonetheless, the term only appears on one article on the whole site. Has it ever actually appeared in the series? Mohrpheus (Talk) 02:43, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
- Can you clue us into a certain place where we might [start the] search for the term in the manga, for easier perusal-for-reference's sake :)? Adam Restling (talk) 18:42, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I searched it on the Japanese Wiki, and found they reference the Four Great Seireimon (or "Seirei gates") (四大瀞霊門 Shidai Seireimon), both as (like you said) the collective term for all the gates; as well as with Jidanbō and his buds being the Four Great Seireimon Gatekeepers (四大瀞霊門門番 Shidai Seireimon Monban). But I'm not sure where in the manga these terms are exactly given; if I find them, I'll let you know. Adam Restling (talk) 19:02, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry for the vague request, it didn't even occur to me to at least tell you where I saw the term. Looking back, the term comes up in Chapter 72, when Yoruichi is telling Ichigo's group who Jidanbō is. The translation in question was from an old mangareader.net scan. Mohrpheus (Talk) 22:13, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
With the revelation that Unohana's real name is Yachiru, we need to look at the name Retsu. What does it mean and is it a nickname or a middle name. Thanks.--
Retsu (烈) means "violent, fierce, vehement". It always seemed odd to me that such a name would be given to the kindly Unohana (even if she could daunt people with her smile). I wonder if that means that her title was Retsu Kenpachi??? Adam Restling (talk) 17:36, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
- The Japanese don't use middle names. It's also not a nickname in the Western sense - it was probably given to her on account of her behaviour as Kenpachi. Her real name appears to be Unohana Yachiru, and I know this site dislikes any names other than "real" ones, but if you change her page name and remove Retsu, Salubri, you're going to confuse the fans who don't read the manga. More and more of these kinds of names are coming up in this arc, so probably it's a good time to have a policy on how to deal with them when they do, since they're clearly not cutesy shorts like "Rose" but relevant to the character in some way.Vraieesprit (talk) 23:02, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
We were recently given Shunsui's full name as typical in bleach we need to know whats actually a name and whats a nickname or title. We also need to know the proper order of the name. In the chapter it is given as Kyoraku Jiron Souzousa Shunsui. Now in are order im guessing Shunsui Souzousa Jiron Kyoraku would be correct but need more input. Also still need raw.--
- Kyouraku is his surname, Shunsui is his first name. Jirou 次郎 means second son, Souzousa means either "assistant who conceals all" or "assistant who possesses all." 蔵 Zou can be a storehouse in its alternate reading "kura", but it doesn't make much sense here. It's not really a name designed to be westernised, but if you want to do it it would have to be Shunsui Souzousa Kyouraku (no) Jirou. Kyouraku (no) Jirou is a unit meaning second son of the Kyouraku. The no is never written in kanji. I would expect to see it in the furigana, since it's normally (name) no Jirou, except we don't have any furigana. As cultural information is frowned on here, I will leave it at that, except to say that the lack of furigana also means the translit of 総蔵佐 is based on the most logical readings of the characters.Vraieesprit (talk) 20:11, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
I think "Sōzōsa" may actually be Sōzōsuke: the element 佐 in names is usu. meant to be read -suke, even as are its homophones/nyms-in-this-capacity 介, 助. I think we're a little screwed re: confirmation here, since this appears not in dialogue (where we'd get furigana), but in the letter from Central 46, which is plain "old stationary" Japanese Kanji; but this is the common reading in nomenclature, and would seem to make more sense than -sa.
Considering the words of Vraiee et al. above, if we mean to Westernize the order, then I would, in light of the above, suggest Shunsui Sōzōsuke Jirō Kyōraku, reflecting an underlying notion of "Shunsui Sōzōsuke, Jirō [Second Son of the] Kyōraku [family]", even as one could say that a name and order like John Smith is essentially equal to "John of the Smith family".
I hope no one'll argue with this, as it seems to make sense, Western-order wise, and to align nicely as the inverse of the Japanese order, even as such inversion from Kurosaki Ichigo > "Ichigo Kurosaki" works. Nothing is lost, and the intended meaning abides. :) Adam Restling (talk) 23:47, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
Probably best to get a official translation for the name Kenpachi assuming that there is one, the kanji would be 剣八.--
Kenpachi (剣八) means, lit., "sword-eight". I assume that the usage of "eight" in connection is due to its auspicious usage in Sino-Japanese, where it has connotations both of good fortune and, in compounds, vastness/multitude (e.g. the word yao "eight hundred" is also used to = "countless, myriad"). The intended nuance of Kenpachi, then, best I can guess, would then be "august (of) sword" (but this would only be inherent in the proper translation "sword eight". Adam Restling (talk) 17:50, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
Looks correct; thanks for the image :). Fun fact: the Kanji for Yachiru mean "eight thousand flows" or "many flows"; there's the use of "eight" again. If she was the first Kenpachi, maybe it took its augustness (see above, section "Kenpachi") from her. Adam Restling (talk) 17:57, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
- I wonder about this.I thought the same as you, but it bothered me a bit since 流 is usually read "ryuu" when it's "flow" or even "school" as in school of sword styles. In Unohana's name it is read as "ru", and this reading has the additional meaning of "exile". Vraieesprit (talk) 22:50, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
Ch. 520: Zaraki learning "Art of Killing", and Central 46's objections
Can we get confirmation on whether "Art of Killing" is simply a literal attempt at translating Zanjutsu's kanji? Also, the second part of the Central 46 guy's objection to Zaraki being taught that -- the part where he references Yamamoto's own previous attempt; does the sentence structure imply that Yamamoto realized the same fear of Kenpachi getting too strong, or is it phrased like it's a separate reason (and thus implying that he stopped because it proved too difficult)? MarqFJA (talk) 01:26, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
- This actually is a side point but the art of killing is essentially the informal or rough way of saying the martial arts of japan what they call Budo. So its likely supposed to correspond to the arts the shinigami themselves use.--
- Adam will probably tell you this too. Zanjutsu 斬術 is a commonly used term in the manga, but it's not a real word in Japanese. It usually refers to sword skills with the zanpakutou - the zan in zanpakutou 斬魄刀 being the same as the zan in zanjutsu. Just like Budou is martial arts by combining the bu of military with the dou of way or method, this is combining the zan of zanpakutou with the jutsu of skill or technique. I think it safe to say that the term has been overtranslated by someone who isn't familiar with normal Bleach terminology.Vraieesprit (talk) 20:21, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
^ What Vraiee said (and Marq guessed) exactly: we've already established the usage of Zanjutsu, just as we have Kidō etc. so it's better to keep this, and not the overly translated form. Not unless we wanna start calling, say, Byakuya by the last name "Rot-tree", for starters XD.
As for the phrasing of the part of Yamamoto's abandoned attempt, I guess we wait for a raw; I remember Zaraki saying something about it during the Nnoitra (?) fight, but I'm not sure where and what. Adam Restling (talk) 21:50, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
- The raw can be found here and the remark is made on page 14, bottom panel. Blackstar1 (talk) 21:55, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Genryuusai ga yatsu ni ken o oshieyou to shita toki mo ichinichi de yameru you shimuketa no o wasureta ka?
- Have you forgotten how Genryuusai, when he tried to teach that guy to use his sword, took the decision to stop after just one day?
- It doesn't really answer whether he did it because it was too hard or because it was too dangerous, but in context with the prior statement about the risk of not being able to control Kenpachi in the "one in 10,000" likelihood he revolted, I would say he considered it a risk.
- Also, I think Adam's right that something was said during the Nnoitra fight. Wasn't that Kenpachi talking about being taught Kendou, though? If this is being taught zanjutsu, can we then assume this is Shunsui wanting to teach him how to use his zanpakutou as a spiritual entity? I don't have the Nnoitra chapter in raw so that might need doublechecking by someone who does.Vraieesprit (talk) 22:38, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
Ganju's tech name
Could anyone check on Ganju Shiba's article, "Powers & Abilities" section, if the technique Renkan Seppa Shen it's spelled right? On the article's Talk Page there is the raw page where this technique appears. Thanks.--EvilDragonLord (talk) 17:30, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
The guy who brought it up is correct: it should be Sen; the phoneme she doesn't exist in modern standard Japanese, and in cases where it's adapted for use transcribing foreign words, it appears as シェ (kana shi + small kana e). Adam Restling (talk) 02:16, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
Need a translation on the Gatoden it still needs the raw for it but the translation is supposedly "Sleeping Pig Palace". Need to obviously know if this is correct.--
If the translation and Kanji suggestions are correct, then the Kanji are probably 臥豚殿 (Gatonden), "Gaton Palace" (where gaton means "lying/prostrate pig"). The Kanji 卧 is a simplified form of 臥 not used in Japanese, and illustrates the danger of taking Kanji directly from Chinese spoiler sources such as Baidu. Adam Restling (talk) 20:07, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Here's the raw, confirming Adam's above translation of Gatonden (臥豚殿, lying/prostrate pig palace). Blackstar1 (talk) 19:14, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
Need a translation on the Phoenix Palace which is its translated form still need the raws and what it would be called in romanji.--
Don't have a raw for this yet, but it would seem the intended Kanji are 鳳凰殿 (Hōōden), "Hōō Palace". Since the mythical animals are generally only borrowed and adapted into Japanese from Chinese sources, I'd prefer to render it as "Fenghuang Palace"--even as I would render Kirinden as "Qilin Palace", but I doubt others would agree.
- Here's the raw, confirming Adam's above translation of Hōōden (鳳凰殿, fenghuang palace). Blackstar1 (talk) 19:14, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
Obviously still need confirmation on name order as well as correct spelling of name and still need the kanji for it.--
That seems correct, and was what it *seemed* like was visible on the one blurry raw pic I saw: Ōetsu Nimaiya (二枚屋王悦 Nimaiya Ōetsu). For a bit more background, see here.