Talk:Shunsui Kyōraku

Daruma-san and Kageokuri
I'm sorry I have to start a discussion for it, but it is impossible to edit the page, and it is also a complicated matter (at least for me), so I had no other choice.

In the part of the Daruma-san etc. game, Kyoraku specifies that it is thanks to Nanao he had reached Lille, and even complimented her abilities: this could mean that it is her Kidou that transported (the translation says "teleported") them there, and not Katen Kyokotsu's power. If that was the case, Nanao shouldn't have been able to go with Kyoraku. Moreover, the second time Kyoraku used it, Lille hadn't shot yet, so he couldn't have teleported along the line of his bullet. However, I'm not sure about the translation, so I could very well be wrong.

On the other hand, it is certain that Kageokuri is not one of Katen Kyokotsu's techniques. Kyoraku explained it is like a Reiatsu afterimage (basically an Utsusemi born from Reiatsu control and not speed), and the first time he used it, his sword was still sealed. Furthermore, it would make no sense for Lille to judge this skill impossible if it was merely one of the sword's abilities. --Martialmaniac (talk) 18:10, October 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * Im going to go out on a limb on this one seeing as im not sure this qualifies as something that has to do with the contents of the page or whether your making a statement to start a discussion. Seeing as if its the latter it doesnt belong on a talk page. Seeing as I dont know for sure ill assume its a question and answer it as such. Initially Lille is unsure of how Shunsui was capable of getting to him. After hearing the explanation for how the technique works Lille deduces the mechanics behind it correctly for the most part.http://readms.com/r/bleach/645/2954/8


 * Before that when Lille is still confused Shunsui asks him if he has ever played the game in question and then realizes they are from different cultures so he may not be familiar with the name or the game. Cut to a side conversation he then starts talking to Nanao where he praises her skills with being able to come after him as fast as she did. Basically praising her shunpo skills seeing as the last time back in the SS arc she was barely able to keep up and this time she was far more capable. Then he tells her to leave when she refuses he gets her to by giving her a order to relay a message. He doesnt say he got to Lille because of her and in truth that wouldnt make much sense. Seeing as we would need to know how thats possible especially when we eventually get doubled down information on how the technique works, proving she played no role. If your reading the translation i think your reading, yea thats inaccurate. http://readms.com/r/bleach/645/2954/5


 * Then secondly your other point, this to is misinforming. Shunsui specifically talks about it as a technique and the liner notes confirm the game it is based on. http://readms.com/r/bleach/645/2954/18 Also that was the first time he used it. What your thinking of the intital situation that happens at the end of last chapter and beginning of this one which he also explains. http://readms.com/r/bleach/645/2954/10 http://readms.com/r/bleach/645/2954/11


 * Lille as typical of the Quincy (as well as most villains of this series) this arc have assumed the role of overestimating his own power and underestimating that of his opponent. He doesnt believe that explanation as something he would fall for, but then Shunsui states why he would fall for it as he is no ordinary shinigami but the Captain-Commander. Its clear most Quincy seem to think all Shinigami are beneath them power wise and especially Lille. I hope that helps out with your confusion.--

Kidō Mastery
Can someone who is authorized please add Kidō Master into his Powers & Abilities section? Since he could use a #78 without so much as an incantation and still retain such power. Yatanogarasu (talk) 05:09, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

What does define the line between expert and master? Isn't 78 without incantation powerful enough to be master? Yatanogarasu (talk) 23:58, October 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'd say no. It's entirely possible that he's a master, given his age and experience, but I think a high-level spell below 90 performed without incantation is entirely achievable by an expert. If he had used two or more high-level spells one after another, then he'd definitely be a master, but expert seems fine for right now.--Xilinoc (talk) 00:42, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Katen and Kyoukotsu or Katen Kyoukotsu?
A new(ish) concept from Chapter 650: Zanpakutou with separate wielders, yet possess near-identical forms/abilities. Would it make more sense to wait until they explain it? While we're at it, I request that this section doesn't get changed unless it's certain. The last thing we need is people debating names(the title of this topic), incantations(ie: is it just Flower Wind Rage and Flower God roar?), or bankai(ie: Katen: Karamatsu?) without anything validating the change.Lokker G (talk) 23:46, November 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * We will indeed be waiting until it is explained in more detail, which will most likely happen next week, because stating literally anything beyond "Nanao's Zanpakutō is named Kyōkotsu" on her page or "Shunsui decides to return Nanao's Zanpakutō to her" on Shunsui's is heavy speculation at this point, and god knows we don't even want to deal with that, so please bear with us.--Xilinoc (talk) 23:55, November 5, 2015 (UTC)