Board Thread:Improvements and Issues/@comment-5398287-20190520064013

Hey, y'all. So, uh, everyone's familiar with the trials and tribulations this wiki and its users have gone through regarding the new Narita light novels released after the manga ended - for years now, very little progress has been made in regards to adding their content to pages, in large part because the number of people yelling at the mod team about it vastly outweigh the number of people who actually want to contribute and properly add the information themselves (only recently has this begun to change, thanks to Timjer and YaoiShadowRuler). However, some of the blame also falls on myself and the other mods/admins; we're all burned out on this stuff after dealing with harassment over it for so long, and I won't apologize for that, but we haven't done much in the way of actually starting a conversation on how this should be accomplished and putting forward ideas for it, at least not in a public space. After a veritable gongshow that occurred Friday night over this very topic that I don't want to recap here for the purpose of moving forward, it became apparent that there are indeed people willing to help us out around here and that we should add novel content to the mainspace articles in some fashion, but also that it needs to be done on a post dedicated to getting it done and not just addressed in 50 different forums/talk pages whenever someone brings it up at random.

So, that being said, here's what we're gonna do: in this thread, we're gonna come together as a community and figure this out. Below, you can propose ways to integrate the content of the novels into character articles: right now, the popular idea among the mods is a third tab for character pages to detail their involvement in the novels (all of them, not just CFYOW), but we're open to other suggestions if you have them. I'm also giving you all permission to use my sandbox page, User:Xilinoc/Sandbox, to make mock-ups of your ideas for presentation (if you want to use it, link the "version" of the sandbox that you made, e.g. this, by going into the history page and finding your revision). You need to adhere to our Manual of Style and follow our policies in doing so, but I am certain there is a resolution we can reach that will make most everyone happy.

Two things I want to make absolutely clear before this gets started, however:
 * 1) As of right now, due to various characterization issues, overarching story inconsistencies, and apparent retcons contained in the plot of these light novels, Bleach Wiki considers CFYOW content to be non-canon, like the filler arcs, video game stories, movie plots, and, uh, musicals. Please do not take this personally or feel like your work means less because of it - coming from a guy who spent six months overhauling everything related to the Zanpakutō anime arc, I can assure you such content is still more than welcome on this wiki, it just has to be integrated properly. But in addition to that, I'm also asking that we not spend time in this thread debating its canonicity, because that will just go in circles as it always has and stymie actual progress.
 * 2) I know that these novels have provoked a turbulent and toxic discourse on this wiki and other sites between its defenders and haters, and what happened on Friday night was really just a tidal wave of that. so I'm laying this out now: no personal attacks in this thread, from either side. I am sick to the back teeth of all attempts at progress and understanding being ruined by people harassing the mod team over a series of books, and the inevitable down-and-dirty responses it provokes from us do nothing to help either. Anyone from either side going ad hominem in this thread will have their responses removed, no exceptions.

That being said, I look forward to working this through and bringing the wiki up to snuff with this content. Show me what you got, and let's get this done. 