User talk:Salubri

Locked Article
Hi Salubri. Can you please unlock the article page for Tale of the Lost Agent? It was an available job on the Fight Summary Project and I've decided to go work on it. --Glass Heart 06:17, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hi Salubri. Can you unlock the article Izuru Kira so that I can add a picture to it. FinalHeartLover (talk) 12:00, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Ichigo Kurosaki's Page
I'm not sure why, but we've gotten a lot of people lately pretty much destroying that page. Maybe there should be a lock put on it? Eadwyn (talk) 23:13, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Turn Back The Pendulum
These are the best I could come up with for naming TBTP. Not the best but all I could really come up with.--
 * Flashes of the Past
 * The Swing of the Pendulum
 * The Pendulum Swings Back
 * The Return to The Past
 * The Past Explained

Locked
Not that it's major or anything, but Ulquiorra's image gallery is locked, and there are some manga volume covers that featured Ulquiorra that are missing, such as the volume 22 cover. Maybe it should be unlocked long enough for the images to be added into the gallery.--Blossom Tree (talk) 02:37, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Thanks for telling. I'll go do that.--Blossom Tree (talk) 01:56, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Community Council
The community council is glorified beta testers if you can even call them that. They get to see the new products wikia is releasing a month or so early, try them out and give feedback, which staff promptly ignores. Additionally, since the start of the community council, a pattern has become obvious in who is picked for the council. Basically if you are not an RTE loving wikia suck up, they don't want you.--

Quincies
Would you prefer it if I didn't edit any Quincy based pages in terms of new technique names/ Letz Stilt?Oliverfalcon (talk) 16:24, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, on the bleach wiki statistics page, Quincies are spelled "quncies" in case you haven't noticed. I wanted to let you know and if would be great if that were fixed.--Blossom Tree (talk) 23:28, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

You and I should probably discuss how to arrange the Quincy characters' Powers & Abilities sections, since we may need to tweak the current organization for them out a bit better than the way we currently have it. I think the best way for us to take care of this is on chat. I'll try to make some time for that sometime later today. Arrancar109 (Talk)  07:55, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

New Chat Features
Just in case you guys didn't know yet, Central has announced some new chat features (which includes a chat tag for pages). 17:30, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Translations
If you insist, then of course I shall comply.

Far be it from to try and offer a helping hand.

And while you're at it, how's about you extend your request to everyone else (who's not a translator) on that page?

I'm sure that a strongly-worded request from an experienced admin like yourself will be enough to curtail their good intentions. --Reikson (talk) 16:09, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

To be fair, I've never really tried to translate that kind of stuff really. I just try to find the Japanese text (which is not that easy because I can't speak it) and I just show Adam and ask him what it says. Any translation I may have said was something I saw somewhere else and asked to confirm what's correct or not. But if you want me to stop then I'll stop I guess.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 18:09, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Pics and Headers
I can redo the Article Improvement Project one. I haven't uploaded any new ones as I am having trouble with my photoshop. I can't get it to open. As soon as I can get it fixed Ill finish the other projects.--

I was wondering if.......
Hi, I wanted to know if would listen to this idea:

Making a page for a Fanon page. a page where users can make fan-made stories relating to Bleach. I think it would be a good idea. If you think the idea is ok could you message me back.

FinalHeartLover (talk) 00:32, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me that i didn't know there was already a site :P. Sorry for the bother.

FinalHeartLover (talk) 01:46, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Tsumasaki List of Characters
I just remembered I asked a question about this a few months ago on the Tsumasaki page, but I see there's never been an answer for it. The list of people at the bottom is the page is somewhat off for who is actually in it; in particular Ichigo's classmates are missing, and Vizored/Arrancar aren't in the ending sequence at all. Is this okay to change, per the video on youtube I've found as evidence? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYs8Y-AVQzQ Eadwyn (talk) 04:53, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Ivan vs. Ichigo
I've been working on the fight summary for Ichigo Kurosaki vs. Ivan Azgiaro, it's just the Aftermath that had a few problems. I've never really written a real fight summary before. Anyway, does this Aftermath work?

Ichigo arrives back at the Kurosaki household, where he is greeted by Orihime, who asks him if he is hurt. As Ichigo begins to answer, Yuki receives a call from Soul Society and tells ichigo that he and Shino must return to Soul Society for Chōjirō Sasakibe’s funeral.

Does it need info on Ivan returning to the Vandereich headquarters added?--Blossom Tree (talk) 02:51, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

also..
Thanks! I want to apologize in advance if I'm being too much trouble.(A lot!) I took another job in the fight summary unit, and it was Rise of the Vandenreich. so far, there are the sections prologue and aftermath. There is usually a middle section for a summary like this, right? It's just the title of the middle section that's the problem. Does Declaraton of War work? thanks again! Oh, I forgot to sign this. Oops... Blossom Tree (talk) 03:40, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Biskiel
Could you please give your opinion on this discussion? While Adam's comments here seem to support my assertion, I'd appreciate another perspective upon the plausibility of Kirge's Vollständig being called "Biskiel". Blackstar1 (talk) 18:16, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Navigation Templates
Ill have a look in the morning. I've never really worked with nav templates so I may not be a big help but I can see what I can dig up.--


 * Finally found the problem. The collapsible code that is included in the anime code import we have in our JS is outdated. To fix this, just place  at the top of MediaWiki:Common.js. --


 * You only added what was in the parentheses, you need everything from the importscriptpage to the ; at the end.--

Fix your mistake
Ginjo uses Getsuga Tensho and you don't add him as a user of Getsuga Tensho why? You don't control the page so you can't say he isn't an original user and thus not to be included. You should change it from user to original user or add Ginjo. Now get off your high fucking horse and stop forcing your opinion on the page after the talk section was for adding him. Abusive admin. Skarrj (talk) 08:04, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Categories
I don't know what you were trying to do with the categories earlier but there is no uniformity to them. Some characters are Category:Hakuda Masters while some are Category:Master Hand to Hand Combatants. Some have a division, some don't. Some have skill categories some dont. You need to decide what you want to do with these as I was trying to actually create all the categories you added but we have too many duplicates and missing pieces.--

Hey!! Im indrested how to become admin. You are admin so can you answer.

(Bleachfan901 (talk) 16:08, June 8, 2012 (UTC))

Obsessive Talk Discussion "Closings"
How can anyone consider this a wiki if discussions are "closed" without any community consensus? This seems more like a police state than a wiki. This policy is in direct contradiction with the definition of a wiki. I think you should consider this. Case in point, Ichigo's talk page. Silverix (talk) 19:40, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I left this user a message with a lengthy explanation that Wikis are based on facts not community consensus as fans opinions can blur out facts!!
 * Unfortunately, this is untrue. There was no definitive proof that he didn't have hollow powers either, nor were any additional points allowed to be made. There was no evidence of any name calling either. Being factual requires that you be scientific, which means you must be open to challenges to your beliefs. This means that ultimately, closing a discussion before it has turned into a flamewar is the same as religious dogma. It is one thing to say, no, "I'm not going to change that unless you show otherwise." It is another to say, "You can not talk about this any more points, shut up please.", if it were merely the former, then I could understand. However, the response has been the latter. You have refused to allow challenges to your beliefs. There are several points which could have been made, both philosophical and factual, but because the discussion is "closed", they can not be made. It is true that this wiki is designed to be factual, but you have made one grave mistake, you are not always right, and the community as a whole is most likely to be correct; this is the concept of a wiki, and why wikis have less errors than traditional encyclopaedias. We must sometimes admit that we are not sure. If we were to say, Ichigo was in love with either Rukia or Inoure, then this would be unobjective. But it is also unobjective to say that he either has hollow powers, or that he does not. Neither of which are definite. My (deleted) suggestion that we put Shinigami/Visored would be an accurate description regardless.
 * For example, Ginjo has stated, "I have a bit of hollow in me, too", which directly implies Ichigo has hollow powers. But this was discredited without explanation, and a challenge was not permitted. Further, it has been stated that the Zanpaktou and Hollow "merged" but a request for a reference to this has not been allowed. You should rethink your methods; I am confident that allowing reasonable discussions which do not involve flame or edit wars if allowed, would result in a greater accuracy of content. Silverix (talk) 00:20, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Again you are wrong. This is why: Wikia are community projects, not personal websites. They are not owned by their founders, nor does the founder's opinion carry more weight in disagreements than any other user's opinion. Consensus and cooperation should be the primary means for organizing a wiki.
 * As you can see, your method of operating this wiki is wrong. I hope you decide to change your ways, before I file a complaint with wikia. I'm not demanding you need to do what I thought was correct, merely that you do not prohibit reasonable discussion about the subject, which is wrong and in clear violation of wikia policies. Silverix (talk) 18:50, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Succesing/procedessing positions
Hey, I was asked to take my sugestion about posittion succesions to You since You're the head admin. I'll just repost what I wrote on Godsimes wall, hope You don't mind.

It was bugging me for a while. There are only several cases of succesing positions that we are 100 % positive. In majority of articles we list someone's procedessor/succesor as unknown and that is not really true. The real issue is that we do not know if that happened imidiately before or after. I have a suggestion how do deal with that. All we have to do is change this unknown into "eventually" followed by a name. For example: Chikane Iba -> Eventually Izuru Kira. To see how this works go here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalore_the_Vindicated. I think it's a good option.

The other thing is procedession/succesion of anime only-chracters. While including them in manga characters templates may be problematic and confusing for new users (and I've chcecked how it would look in the text), it's worth to have it in their articles. After all we do know the order of their succesion even though it is only true to anime or video-game continuity they appear in.--Nekosama (talk) 11:31, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Vandenreich Infobox Color
I asked Yyp about changing the color of the infobox on the Vandenreich article to something more appropriate than the current orange and, while he had no issue with that, he suggested I consult you first in case you had any intentions for the page. If you find a change acceptable, I'd also appreciate your input on what color would be best, although personally I'd suggest either blue or silver (light gray). Blackstar1 (talk) 19:21, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

About the border-radius template
Hi, how are you ? Earlier today, I tried to use the border-radius template on the french Bleach wiki, but it didn't turn out quite as great. I wonder what I did wrong. Can you help me ? Thank you very much.

Ichigo kurosaki1979 (talk) 15:49, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for editing your page. I guess is should have read the policy.

Marioman53

Marioman53 (talk) 15:22, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Chronology Project
Well, I know that Tinni has inactive for a while and apparently doesn't have much plans, or notice, to return but I remember she was the head of the project, so I figured to ask her first. The timeline recorded on the series starting from when it first began to current is very accurate, I know that, although if there were possibly anything left off unintentionally such as a few fights or events, that should be checked, right? Also, some events from post-timeskip are not yet chronicled on the page, mainly for a majority of the Tale of the Lost Agent plot and just a few recent events from TYBW. As according to the message I left Tinni, the historical and anime-only arcs found in the series also need work. Filler arcs, while true that they cannot find a proper place within the manga's timeline, do follow a certain path from the canon episode they started off from. For example, Zanpakuto Rebellion follows the story in the anime before the canon Ichigo vs Ulquiorra starts, containing some material from the manga just up to that point (such as Ichigo being able to fight with his Hollow mask, for one).

Which, btw, leads to me to ask if the filler arcs are able to chronicled on the wiki? Not if they could, but if they are intended a spot on the Event timeline, despite being non-canonical.


 * Well, is the Project still ongoing and able to do some work on the canon material? There is a lot of inactivity though it could help with a few updates at least.


 * Alright. Thanks for taking this time to respond, btw.

Opinion
What's your opinion on the current story of Bleach? --Cheese Lord

I'm against the ideal too, I was looking for feedback. I'll take it to the fan-fiction HQ. ;p And thanks again for the feedback, you guys really do rock! I've come to this wiki quite often for info! -Master Chief

Deletions
If you want my bot to handle the deletions. Just promote it to admin for a few minutes. Ill tell you when its done.--

...
1. When did the gif ever come into the picture? No-one was ever asking for it to be removed, nor did I ever ask for the description of the ability to be removed.

2. Why did you close the discussion when the first comment about it's placement in the article wasn't ever answered, especially since his note may be correct, and the article would do better to conform to other articles.

My one point I'm going to carry over to the Policy - Cannon talk page in a manner of speaking.

Re:
Yeah, wikia recently upgraded to MediaWiki version 1.19 which messed up a ton of things because they didnt test anything. The Monobook theme I made for this wiki is also messed up. Unfortunately I will be away for a little and can't fix anything now. I suggest asking on community central for some help with getting everything looking right.--


 * Hey, did you ever get everything fixed? If not, take a look at this. Its a listing of all the obsolete html tags and attributes that will no longer work now that we are running on 1.19.--

Reverts
Yesterday I edited 4 articles changing the information about who the Vice-President of the SRDI is (from Nemu, as currently stated, to Akon, the real one). However, I just saw you reverted all the edits. Could you explain why and show where it is stated that Nemu is the vice-president of the said institute? Because two chapters ago was stated that Akon is. - Gorenja (talk) 19:05, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Turn Back the Pendulum
Hey Salubri. I noticed that the whole mini-arc featuring the Visored's past from 110 years ago hasn't been written as event or fight articles yet, and I'm fairly certain that there are plans to create some later on. Do you have an idea perhaps as to when the Fight Summary Unit will start working on them?

Chat
Hey, you might want to come back onto chat - we have an unwanted guest. -_- Another self-important delusional god lol  08:23, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Sal thank you for letting me know that i had 0 edits,thank you.--LawlietLuv... (talk) 21:57, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Shunkō Image Gallery
I asked Yyp about creating an image gallery for the Shunkō page so that it was in line with other techniques, but he thought I should consult you first, given that you were the one who put the article in its current format (with an image section rather than a gallery). Blackstar1 (talk) 13:21, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

so you like bleach. who is your favorite captain. my is Toshiro Hitsugaya.--Nicole Janine Holbrook (talk) 19:01, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Infoboxes (Switch)
Hello, Salubri. I need help with the "Switch" Template. I installed the Toogle template, but when I go to a page and try to use it (Make the images switch, it doesn't matter if it's on Pre-Timeskip and Post-Timeskip), it is locked on one image. It is on another wiki, and any kind of help would be appreciated. Thank you. --AssassinHood - Leave me a message! 18:03, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Blog
The blog system is messed up and won't let me turn on commenting after I have already made the blog. Can you delete it and I'll see if it will let me turn comments on when remaking it--

Technique Template 2
I've been adding the "Bleach Wiki:Technique Template 2" to a number of articles recently, in the place of the older one, and I thought that it might be a good idea to create an optional "English" field beneath that of "Rōmaji", that way it could be included/omitted to the infobox as necessary. Given that the majority of technique articles either use the rōmaji for their title (e.g. Kageoni) or have both a non-English name and rōmaji (e.g. Pesquisa), I think it would be a useful addition. Blackstar1 (talk) 21:42, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Media
Hello Salubri, I just came with a few suggestions that I think should be considered. I was wondering if the video game and other media images should be placed in image galleries. I started thinking about this after I started to take some screenshots for Bleach: Soul Resurrección.

The second thing is about the calendars and merchandise. I have already contacted Lemursrule about this, but our conversation didn't go very far. We already have two calendar photos as well, one of them being one. I feel that it would be good if they had a page for the calendars.

Thanks,--

RE: GIFS
Sure will get them ASAP!!
 * Sure, odd I thought I asked about getting that one time in chat but I think you went offline!! I have a lot of them I just haven't uploaded them yet!! Will get to it!!
 * Sorry I was deleting images for one of the gifs so that its not too large with too many frames!! Sorry!!
 * There we go!! All ready to be placed in technique pages!! If I missed one let me know!! :)

Speed Gif
Hey Sal, I was reading over Kūgo's article and got to the bit where it mentions his speed, to which I then remembered this scene which highlights said speed. I promptly made a gif of it and was wondering if you'd like me to add it to his section to illustrate the ability in question. Alternately it could also be used to demonstrate Uryū's new bow.

Chat
Hey Sal, if you're around would you mind hoping on to chat for a bit 01:25, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

hello am  mercedes4lotus  uhh what's going in here

Proof regarding (Designation letter for As Nodt - F "Fear")
First, I want to start of with a question : Is Bleach wiki just a database that is slowly updated , as the story progresses ? That is my main question, because a lot of entries were created , but these weren`t updated. And I have a another question : Is the Bleach wiki database canon or is the manga which Kubo Tite releases every week - considered as canon ? Because there is proof that As Nodt`s letter (F) stands for Fear / or regarding Fear /frightful/fearfull. Just check out the battle between Byakuya and As Nodt, chapter 501 from page 6 ( the section where As Nodt speaks : Did you realize ) - including page 6,page 7 until page 8 ( where there is a picture of Byakuya that has his sword in his hand , "frozen" up , and Renji asks to himself  : The Captain ... Fear.. ? The source from what I just quoted was mangareader.com I will also inclkude the links to the pages I quoted : page 6 : http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/501/6 page 7 : http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/501/7 page 8 : http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/501/7  And also , AS nodt himself explained the power olf his darts/bullets /arrows ( call them how you want ) , imbueded with fear . I also checked mangapanda.com , the sister /backup site of mangareader , which has a very slight variation of the translated chapter - meaning , a slight change of words - but the bubble in which As Nodt states his power as Fear , is the same. Thus ,I am wondering just what is As Nodt`s ability, IF it was not stated in the manga ? Hoping for a quick reply from you.

--Amagai88 (talk) 15:11, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Kidō
Hey, I just want to know what happened, to Shunsui's Kidō info on his page. By the way I believe he was listed as a Kidō Master Naruto 45 (talk) 02:02, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Translation history
Yes, I have several years on and off self-study of Japanese, enough to know kana completely and roughly half the jōyō kanji by some means, yet still do find myself often having to refer to dictionaries to understand kanji. (Especially in something like Bleach, which tends to use a lot of uncommon ones. >->;) I've done quite a bit of JP to EN translation in the Pokemon fandom, under the name bluesun. (Someone already had it on wikia, thus the '1'.) I regularly read Shūkan Shōnen Jump too, so have quite a library of stuff I can check through. ^^; Bluesun1 (talk) 20:23, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Spirits Are Forever With You
Sorry for my long absence. Even now, as my time has come to be much more freed up, I'm still suffering from a computer that can no longer cut it in today's world; the other day, it froze (for full spans, and also again and again, intermittently) for like five minutes just trying to load a Wikipedia page. A F***ING Wikipedia page XD.

I'm working with a tech-savvy compadre to amend this sad state, but their time is more strained than mine was, so it's been slow-going. Cause to hope for a solution soon, though :).

Until then, I have to beg my loved ones for a chance to use their computers when I visit (like I am now), and I took the opportunity to blitz a ton of queries in the translation corner to compensate.

But as for these books, it's prob. best to get someone fluent in Japanese (as L44021 says they are) to tackle the trans. when it involves long passages, or idiomatic subtleties, as appear in poems. I try my hand when asked, most of the time, but I always try to remind people that I work best with isolated words, giving meaning and cultural context (when I can find it out), as well as hopefully some purdy language to do it in, too ;). I hope to remain a consultant, perhaps editing/suggesting alternatives to the wording etc., but a more fluent person than me is really needed for the bulk of such major, or easy-to-botch (by me), projects. Adam Restling (talk) 10:16, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

About the whole Sasakibe thing, and a change suggestion
Sorry, I didn't mean to cause any acrimony, even by accident, much less to set anyone against each other and into ultimatums or anything.

I greatly appreciate it that so many people on the Wiki have faith in me, but we're all fallible (esp. me XD), esp. as some of the more reliable sources of, say, raws begin to evaporate.

Vraieesprit was correct, and she and Blackstar et al. provided invaluable data that I'd 'til-then been unaware of. Plus, as I've always said, I work best with isolated words (rather than sentences/passages), and my suppositions are based upon the data I can find, so I'm glad to have people not "hold me in check", but, rather, check my work, as it leads to a much more accurate picture, and is itself a manifestation of the fine community here on the Wiki.

Vraiee has explained that I mistook her tone, even in jest, and I didn't mean to give the impression of some kind of "fight" or umbrage. I take pride in what I can do here on the Wiki, but I'm glad to have folks who keep me from having the decisive word if that is based on goofs of mine. :)

As a post-script, Vraiee etc. told me that, currently, Gonryōmaru itself is translated "solemn spirit", but that this should be changed to "stern spirit", not only to bring it in line with the recently-discovered Bankai name element, but also because it's more accurate: the element gon means "harsh, austere, stern", with "solemn", if a meaning, being a less-primary one. Adam Restling (talk) 00:00, September 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * I always regarded solemn as meaning something closer to "quietly/reservedly serious/dignified", lacking the more austere implications of stern, which = "gravely serious, strict", and so better representative of the other primary meaning of gon, "harsh, severe". That was my reasoning. Adam Restling (talk) 02:24, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Adam is correct here. Stern and solemn are close but different enough. Stern is firm, strict or uncompromising while solemn is more grave or serious. They are close enough in definition but if two of our translators agree that stern is the more correct translation, then I see no reason to change it, even if it is a long standing translation.--


 * Re Genryuusai - I see. I didn't realise that this had already been discussed ad nauseum and sorry for bringing up what is a closed topic. It's not really a nickname but I don't know what other word to use for it in English. It's not the same as Chad or Rose, its not an honorific either. I don't know what to call it. I can see why it's been mistaken for an honorific though, I just looked at my Masked book (Japanese) and it's romanised in a different order from yours OR mine as Shigekuni Yamamoto Genryuusai, so go figure xD. I guess the basic truth is that it's tricky to put into Western order names comprising more than two words. At the very least, thank you for putting Tadaoki into Sasakibe's name. I think that at the very least is something we can be sure of.Vraieesprit (talk) 19:05, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Kuchiki Clan Page
Daughter in Law is not spelled right for Hisana.--User:Jushiro971 (talk) 23:44, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

I gave u the wrong name. Its for the Unnamed Kuchiki.--User:Jushiro971 (talk) 00:56, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Deleted Article: "Shinigami Lifespan"
Hey, I was just wondering if you could give a more in depth reason for why you deleted the topic "Shinigami Lifespan". I don't mean to be a problem, but I was a little confused about why it was deleted. Thanks for your time. --Balsalom (talk) 21:12, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Category:World of Bleach
Why does the character articles not qualify for the 'World of Bleach' category? 02:13, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Zanka no Tachi, Minami
The bankai section lacks its full name which is Zanka no Tachi, Minami: Kaka Juuman Okushi Daisoujin. I would add it but since I am locked out of the article I wanted to pass this on to someone who can. I am basing this on this: http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/508/17Umishiru (talk) 08:56, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Question
I know that Adam's translated Blut Vene and Blut Arterie a while back, but are you waiting for someone else to put it up? --Reikson (talk) 17:43, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, if you've checked Quilge Opie's and Juhabach's pages, there's "Blut Vene" and "Blut Arterie" all there, but the kanji for both techniques don't seem to be translated; only the German terms itself. --Reikson (talk) 18:00, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up; I'll do a little tidying then. --Reikson (talk) 18:15, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Another Question
Shouldn't the bankai-stealing medallion be included in the Items section on the Quincy page? I mean, the Vandenreich are simply a modern-day Quincy faction that developed the device as a way of evening the odds against captain-level Shinigami, so... --Reikson (talk) 00:43, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hrm.
Okay, I understand. I'm still getting the hang of how the communication on this site works, since there's no PM function, so I'm sorry for the inconvenience. It's a difficult situation to work under.Vraieesprit (talk) 23:31, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Conversations
Yeah, I'm sorry, Salubri.

I'm not used to replying at such length on this board so, before I knew it, said length had spun out of control, even if it began as being "on topic".

From now on, I'll have a better sense of such volume, and when it's likely to occur, and will focus it on the talk pages. In such a case, I'll prob. also contact you, in case there's anything(s) of relevance in the passage that can be extracted and used on the corner--e.g. some extra clarification--amidst the tl;dr XD. Adam Restling (talk) 17:07, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Re: New Translation
Like I said before, for translations which require greater fluency in the language--e.g. for sentences, paragraphs, and passages that include poems, idioms, etc.--other folks with greater skills than I, such as L44021 said s/he does, are best; but I'd like to help in whatever ways that I can, as always, as a kind of "creative consultant", checking words and providing that kind of perspicacity and suggestion of best (poetic) translation. :)

Vraieesprit has brought it to my attention that she actually owns the Japanese-published UNMASKED, and while I'm not sure what the exact extent of her Japanese knowledge is, she could probably help, too. She's done good work for the Corner recently, and though I sometimes lock horns with her (XD and may, at turns, continue to), she does have good insight.

P.S. I don't want to exhaust you by even seeming to bring up an already-tiresome subject, but Vraiee and I have been talking (as I think you know XD, at least for part of it), and would like to jointly suggest a trans. for Kaka Juumanokushi Daisoujin (in the interest of camaraderie) for your consideration: "great burial ranks of the ten trillion fire dead".

It's pretty close to what's already there, so I'm not sure if you'd be amenable to the tweak; I just thought I'd posit it in light of the debate. I don't want to start any enmity between anyone, whether by seeming like a) I'm caving in to the arguments of another just cuz, OR like b) I'm King of Translation and no one may dare challenge me XD. While I still disagree with some of her objections, the "compromise" neither betrays the Kanji as given nor is "unacceptable" to me. I just wanted to express what may be an amicable solution :). Adam Restling (talk) 00:22, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure who all we have that's expressed fluency in Japanese, or a decent amount of knowledge in it, besides Vraiee and L44021; Bluesun and Blackstar seem like they could have such skills; others like Reikson etc. are pretty good at finding errors etc. too It's been a while (at least for me) since I saw activity from Marq, although it could just be that I'm not perceptive enough XD. But whoever for the group seems most apt, yeah :). Adam Restling (talk) 02:46, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah. At times, esp. in the past when hardware and real-life made me more harried, I would furnish translations which were too literal in that they sounded awkward or, at least, lacking in the nice "ring" they should've had. So I'm all for a little more latitude in that way, since it also helps me enhance what I might've thus-fudged before.


 * How about: "great burial ranks of the ten trillion dead of fire". I know it uses of twice, but I like how it sounds/looks a bit better. How about you? Adam Restling (talk) 03:00, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Translation of Unmasked
Hiya :) Sorry for the slow message response - I've been away for the weekend finishing up my last uni stuffs and didn't have net.

I do own the book and I can do translation from it - I actually already have translated some pages from it for another site, relating to the Espada, but am not sure if those overlap with the ones you need.

I'm happy enough translating, but I am not sure if I can commit the time to translate over a hundred pages on my own. Unless there are other Japanese speakers involved?

I am quite sure I can help, but am not sure that I can promise to do all of them. I'll begin with Sajin and see how it goes from there, if that's agreeable to you? I imagine there will be a formal English translation at some point, and then it's more a matter of referring back to the raw in times of uncertainty rather than rendering the whole raw into English.

In terms of format, how would you like them posted? Do you want transliteration or just translation? Each site has its own preferences.

Oh, just noticed the convo above. Fire dead is a quite common abbreviated phrase used eg like here, to mean people killed by a fire (which is what we have with Yama). This technique is complicated due to its length. Taking into consideration that the clausal structure necessitates the second clause daisoujin being qualified by the first clause kaka juuman'okushi, there's very little room for linguistic flexibility. The translation Adam and I agreed on is the most grammatically sound and structurally faithful English rendition of the Japanese original. Since I know that Bwiki values accuracy, that's why I suggested it to Adam -and I'm assuming that's why he originally agreed to it :)Vraieesprit (talk) 13:34, October 1, 2012 (UTC)