Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-5551986-20181227102057/@comment-957629-20190106232920

Yyp wrote: Rangiku was the "nail" of the Soul King is poor writing There is no way anyone can justify this to me. There is literally nothing "impressive" about Rangiku in the entire series other than being a standard Lieutenant-level combatant. It's literally a throw-on to make a popular character more relevant now. Its literally fanservice because she was the most fanservice (ahem straight male-service) character in the story.

Yyp wrote: On Hikone - 1st do we need another hybrid of all races? and 2nd, how can you be a hybrid of both Hollow and Arrancar? Makes no sense. But take that at face value - why would this part Hollow/Arrancar creature need a sword to open a garganta portal - all hollows/arrancar can do that anyway. Saw the justification for this. Arrancars ARE Hollows, who removed their mask and suppressed their power into their blade. Wild.

Timjer wrote: Hikone was artifically created Another one?? Sweet Ichibē, Yyp just went "Do we need another hybrid" and what we get instead is another artificial being. Another one, again, repeating more of the Manga just because. Seriously why aren't they all making artificial beings at this point, just dilutes the uniqueness in Mayuri and such. That's not deep, thats rinse and repeat.

Yyp wrote: If Tokinada was in the maggots nest for killing Tosen's wife - that was an actual crime. Maggots Nest is not for murderers, just those who have the potential to be harmful to Soul Society. That makes little sense. More reason the novels should belong to novels and Manga to Manga. It just conflicts too much.

Yyp wrote: I don't get why the fullbringers were a secret or so important. Maybe my imagination is just not good enough but I see no reason why all that would be worthwhile. I agree too, they were literally a plot device to inform us of what Sado was, to give Gotei 13 an excuse to give Ichigo powers again and to "rectify" the problem with Yhwach Almighty abilities. They literally served no other purpose.

Like he tried to make Ukitake have a bit of shade and mystery, but like his actions were understandable. They literally lock up Shinigami who want to leave because they could become a danger so literally monitoring a could be threat is understandable. Nothing in that arc could have convinced me Ukitake was bad or shifty. He's clearly the most decent of them, that's literally how you are introduced to his character, Yoruichi feels safe to leave a convicted criminals in Byakuya's presence merely because Ukitake is there because of how good his nature is.

Timjer wrote: It's strongly implied that all Fullbringers are born with a piece of the SK in them, which is where their unusual matter manipulation comes from. So an understandable need for secrecy. Hahahahah, sorry but hahahaha. Fine if you like that but that is literally not what was stated in the Manga. Fine if the author wants to develop these guys more but yeah just not going to do it for me. And this is obviously the reason we go with the original material, too many cooks and things get overblown. Have to accept this sort of stuff in Comics and things but it challenges consistency and has to be separate.

Timjer wrote: It also confirms that Gremmy is a part of the Soul King and indeed the strongest Sternritter. Literally could have confirmed this in the Manga when we were discussing the arms and other body parts. Instead, now its just an afterthought.

TLA76 wrote: Kubo wasn't really happy with the ending (not the epilogue though) and how many things were unresolved, so he decided to work with Narita to truly bring closure to the story. Can completely understand why he would want to do that. Doesn't really change that this whole thing reeks of inconsistency with a story he already put to paper. It also show a severe case of too many cooks in the kitchen because the novels are messing with things entirely unrelated to his illness time period and such. Now I hope you get enjoyment out of the novels as per their intention but doesn't mean its consistent.

TLA76 wrote: The book and everything it reveals is canon and as I said it's a lot Sorry but we have very strict Canon policies for the sake of consistencies. Which a lot of what is said is not consistent with what was already on paper. The Novels can be on the wiki but they need to be separated out properly.

TLA76 wrote: The history and origins of Soul Society are all based on lies. Literally, how convenient that everything is now "lies". That's called a retcon.

TLA76 wrote: The ancestors of the five noble families committed an original sin regarding the Spirit King and it is their will that Squad Zero obeys to, not the Spirit King. It's one of the reasons why Aizen was so angry at the end of Deicide. Another convenient insertion that could have been done at the time, before the rush that was the final two arcs but it wasn't and now its all getting messed with. Specifically the Aizen thing. Literal eye-roll.

TLA76 wrote: Orihime's power has three limits: She can't heal someone who had mortal wounds for a long time, though the exact time frame is unknown, at least the duration of a night, was no problem for her. Literally again, could have been established before Kubo's health deteriorated but it wasn't. And again a whole mix up. We have literally seen her regenerate the entire upper half of a persons body and have them not be a corpse be rejecting the effects time and events have had upon them. There was no need to touch these abilities as we seen her struggle with Ulquiorra's deathblow to Ichigo and Yhwach's actions against the SK. Again smells of too many cooks.

TLA76 wrote: C46 has only few members left and did many reforms. Oh really?? Where were they conveniently hiding when Aizen slaughtered the rest of them?? When Rukia was being sentenced to death?? Again this did not need to be touched and was way before his health took a hit.

TLA76 wrote: There is actually a council of nobles that is above C46 As per above, why couldn't this have been addressed before?? When the Seireitei was being invaded MULTIPLE times?? When Ichigo and allies destroyed the Sogyoku?? Like serious come on. I have no problem if authors want to build on a world but stop messing with it with things that were clearly not meant to be there.

TLA76 wrote: Tosen knew the truth behind Soul Society, it's why he sided with Aizen in the first place Then why not just say this stuff instead of becoming a murderer?? Why not explain it to Komamura his friend instead of spouting maniacal stuff about revenge being true justice?? Because its, like above, a retcon that is inconsistent.

TLA76 wrote: Tosen's friend is called Kakyou. Her husband Tokinada was a minor member of the Tsunayashiro family and thus not punished by the law for his crime This is one of the only things I have found genuinely interesting so far. Could have been said in the story but alas.

TLA76 wrote: Ginjou was innocent. This is the Gin Syndrome all over again. Just because someone feels they have good reasons for being nasty does not mean they are innocent. None of what Kugo did implies innocence. He was maniacal and cruel and he and his cohorts did awful things. Stealing someones powers, and using crushing manipulating tactics to do so, is evil. Regardless of anything that was done to him in his past, he cruelly targeted Ichigo and hurt him and all his friends. He was not a good person, his actions were those of a sociopath. Again, more "justification" for being an evil person when really it doesn't justify it, it just might make it understandable why he went off the rails but it does not justify his cruel manipulative actions.

TLA76 wrote: Soul Society is a fake world, a charade built upon lies, by the ancestors of the five noble families. Again, convenient that. Its, again, a retcon.

TLA76 wrote: After Oetsu woke up, he found out that someone stole a sword from him. That sword is called Ikomikidomoe. The sword is usually hidden under an ocean. But that evaporated when Ichigo got his new Zanpakto. The thief was able to use several different abilities, which should be impossible. Oetsu thus concludes that the thief was from the great noble families. The sword is dangerous. If this story had to be a thing why did it need to involved Ichigo?? Why couldn't it have made MORE sense and been related to say, Yamamoto releasing his Bankai for first time in a long time and him causing it. Why does it need to be thrown into Ichigo.

TLA76 wrote: Yhwach is extremely afraid of death. And yet he believes becoming the lynchpin is so much worse that he considers killing Ichigo an act of mercy. This doesn't need to be messed with again. It was perfectly fine with Yhwach just being a crazy maniacal person who wanted to destroy the realms until Mimihagi foiled his plans. Now we need to add "act of mercy" despite his words of a clear sociopath throughout the entire arc. Seriously.

TLA76 wrote: Part of the reason Yhwach hated Ichibee so much is for what he did to his father and part of Yhwach's motivation for the final arc was to save his father from a fate worse than death. Yeah this was clear from his enjoyment over the realms beginning to fall apart. Clearly this was not the intent at all. ---

So yeah I am done with all this. Your intent was to prove something when you revealed something else. If his health and rushed ending was the reason for any of this sudden ripping apart his own canon then he wouldn't have touched stuff that happened LONG before he ever got ill.

What all this reeks of is a stunt in creativity and trying to wipe a lot of what he already established in order to promote more creativity from somebody else.

I have no problem with this being placed in the relevant articles but none of this implies depth. It shows a lot of outside influences forcing changes that were not needed and reeks of massive amount of inconsistencies. Its fine if people enjoy this as it is entertainment created to be enjoyed but damn if its not all just silly and contrived to me.

EDIT TLA76 wrote: The sword is usually hidden under an ocean. I have been aware that the "ocean" in this was in regards to the water that Nimaiya used to cool his weapons that we saw in the Manga. Fine with that being evaporated and where he was hiding the sword but its hardly an ocean. So I took that literally.

Also, as was discussed with said person, why would he only notice that his safety thing was removed by Ichigo inadvertently and continue like nothing happened. Ugh,