Talk:Maki Ichinose

No rank?
I was under the impression that he was the lieutenant (2nd seat) to the Captain that Zaraki defeated. I'll need to check this again. Yachiru is the 2nd now so it makes you wonder who filled that seat prior to that. Looking at the 2nd filler, where Gin's seat is filled by that dude, he didn't replace the 2nd seat. He brought his 2nd in as the 3rd seat. Tyciol 20:31, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I do not remember exactly, if it is said or not, but i think it was not said because it´s a filler. It makes sense, you are right, but i think it is not confirmed Gargamel711 23:03, 2 April 2009 (UTC +1)

I don't recall Ichinose's rank was ever stated; the only information provided was that he had been in the 11th and left when Zaraki killed the then captain of the 11th since disagreed with Zaraki's methods. While Ichinose does know his shikai, this doesn't necessarily make him a lieutenant though knowing the shikai does seem to be a requirement for becoming a lieutenant. Both Ikkaku (3rd seat) and Yumichika (5th seat) know their shikai though neither of them are lieutenants which is being filled by Yachiru; its possible the higher seated officers knowing their shikai is commonplace in the 11th since they are the melee combat specialists of the Gotei 13. But then it might not unique to the 11th either since Jirobo (former 4th seat of the 7th) knew his shikai despite not being lieutenant.Spacedone 05:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Saigyoku Nijigasumi
Isn't Saigyoku Nijigasumi his Bankai? He doesn't utter Bankai in his fight, but the Zanpakuto changes its name and he states it's its ultimate power. I think it's a Bankai form Xfing 21:30, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

We are not gonna speculate that Saigyoku Nijigasumi might be his Bankai, as he SHOULD have said Bankai beforehand. In this case, he didn't, and seeing as he is not of captain status, it's highly unlikely. It's like saying Yukojochu Muramasa might be Muramasa's Bankai, but Koga had never said Bankai beforehand.--Gold3263301 21:57, March 25, 2010 (UTC)