Talk:Ichigo Kurosaki

Proof that Ichigo's race is biologically part Shinigami
"Meeting Rukia awakened the Shinigami blood flowing in you." - Chapter 536

Of course, Salubri keeps deleting this because he doesn't want anyone finding out. Just thought you guys should know before he deletes it again. Darkzilla89 (talk) 22:36, June 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * This post has been removed once for violating the closed discussion and twice because it still is bringing up a closed discussion. But more importantly lets go over the facts. Firstly Shinigami arent born they are classification of souls that train to use their spiritual energy to gain supernatural abilities. Secondly a human and a shinigami/soul cant make a child thats half human half shinigami that makes no sense humans are made of atoms and shinigami/souls are made up of reishi this whole concept is behind why urahara had to create a Senkaimon that is fitted with a device that converts matter into Reishi, which will allow Orihime, Uryū and Chad to go through while maintaining their present form. Thirdly if this was at all the case Ichigo wouldnt need to leave his body to use the Shinigami powers that he had to train to attain. In closing the reason for why this isnt up for debate. He is not a Shinigami, stated by Oetsu and Isshin both here: http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/527/16 & http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/37174 (number 13 & 15) & http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/528/15 & http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/37215 (number 15 states it); "Meeting Rukia awakened the Shinigami POWERS flowing in you" stated here: http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/536/16 & http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/37854 (number 14 states it). These amount to facts when one of the most accurate scanalation sources mangapanda (hence why when looking for manga resources they are first before all) and the site for the most accurate manga translations, C-Net, state it outright. Dealing in opinions, what ifs, maybe's and whatever inaccurate translations mangastream likes to print does not provide the basis for how the site determines information.--

I would like to know what makes mangapanda translations accurate over mangastream or its just your preference since it comes out fist--Rayzur (talk) 02:28, June 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Its consistency when the content is scaned is far more accurate and superior to other scanaltaions. There is a significant difference between scanalation which is where manga is commonly read online and rushed out by a group of people trying to get the content out. translations which take longer and are done on very few websites, but they legitimize whats actually said as opposed to a rushed version. Mangapanda takes far less artistic license with the language used so as far as scanalation teams they are more accurate, while others are more colorful, this site is constantly updating to the most accurate versions of whats being said as opposed to just keeping anything as long as it sounds right. Here anything confusing can lead to wild speculation and inaccurate content on the articles. Also if you notice the scans and translations match up.--

Profession
I understand why you put his race as Quincy, but at least could we add a Profession line stating he is Shinigami, like we have done with the other Shinigami's changing their Race to Soul and adding Shinigami to Profession (CoolJazzman (talk) 13:18, June 19, 2013 (UTC))


 * This was brought up and we didn't go with it cause its technically inaccurate, as described on the affiliation page he is not in any way a shinigami besides in power and more then that is required to have the classification officially. As stated under his occupation he is a substitute shinigami that is his role according to soul society. Until such time as it officially acknowledges him as a full on Shinigami in the series, that doesn't change otherwise its confusing and as stated inaccurate.--

Further Division
Alright, so this is something which has been on my mind for a while now. I'm sure you're all aware of how ridiculously long Ichigo's page is, even with much of the content on other pages. Well, I think we can take a page from the One Piece wiki here and divide things a bit further. Currently, the longest section on Ichigo's page are his History/Plot section and his Powers & Abilities section, so here is what we could do: create 2 subpages, one for his plot involvement and one for his Power & Abilities section. This would leave just the appearance and personality sections on the page, making it much easier and smoother to look at. Additionally, this way we could lock individual sections of his page should need be (i.e. if a chapter comes out where Ichigo uses a new power, we can lock just the Power & Abilities subpage and allow editors to work on other subpages instead of just locking up the whole thing). This could also be done for other characters who have particularly lengthy sections on their page, i.e. Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto. Thoughts?--Xilinoc (talk) 15:45, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Hollowfication
Is it okay to remove it from the list of Ichigo's former powers and put it back to the list of powers he still has? His inner Hollow hasn't disappeared, it's just Ichigo doesn't use Hollowfication anymore for whatever reason. Heck, if FGT and Mugetsu aren't in the list of former powers, why should Hollowfication be there? Will-O-Wisp (talk)


 * No because for that to be true it would have to be a fact that his powers exist how they previously did, until he shows indication of that being the case its misleading to put it on powers that he has. FGT is a zanpakuto technique whether he choices to use it or not doesnt mean he isnt capable of using it.--

Former Zanpakutō Forms
Forgive me ahead of time (and I'm not saying do this right away), but can we slim Ichigo's Zanpakutō section and make a kind of sub section on his page for his Zangetsu. Something like Zangetsu (Former Forms) [show/hide]. He has A LOT on his page and his Zanpakutō section is particularly long because of its transformations. This is what I had in mind:

Zangetsu (斬月, Slaying Moon): When Ichigo first becomes a Shinigami, his...

Shikai: After Ichigo has his Zanpakutō broken... (the new section about the dual Zangetsu's) and a picture of his current Zangetsu's

Now either above or below the Shikai section we could have a (Former Forms) section there. And when you click it, it reveals Ichigo's former forms of Zangetsu (Zangetsu's constant Shikai form & Zangetsu's Shikai Version 2 with their articles and pictures.)

Then the:

Getsuga Tenshō: etc.....and so on and so on.

And the same with his Bankai if it turns out to be different than the Tensa Zangetsu we're used to. I think it should also have a (Former Forms) section just as the one I'm suggesting for the Shikai section. After we see his new Bankai form (not right now) these could also be put in the Former Forms section in his Bankai section: his Zangetsu's Bankai: Tensa Zangetsu article and pic, his Version 2 Article and pic and his Version 3 Article and pic.

I posted this on Ichigo's talk page because everything I listed is a former form (old Zangetsu forms) that he no longer has. It has been upgraded. Yes the Zanpakutō is the same (name wise), but the form or shape of the blade is different (way different this time even becoming a dual type). This is just a suggestion for the page. Don't get made at me :P Thanks for the time. 18:08,6/19/2013

I was wondering the same thing...as this is a new Zanpakuto, what's related to the old one should be moved to the former powers and abilities section, since these are two different Zanpakuto's, and the new one should take precedence, not to mention it's gonna pretty much double the size of the section, which is already massive...any other opinions are welcome. Darksusanoo (talk) 20:18, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be "After his zanpakuto was broken while in bankai" not "After the shikai form of his zanpakuto was broken while in bankai". User:KingofVIZ 23:22. June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Quincy powers vs. Hollow powers
Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but I noticed something strange in the section for Ichigo's new Zanpakuto:

"After Ichigo's Zanpakutō was broken while in Bankai and discovers he does not possess a true Zanpakutō, rather formed from Ichigo's inherited Quincy powers, Zangetsu is eventually forged by Ōetsu Nimaiya personally, using an actual Asauchi."

Where was it said that this was because of Ichigo's Quincy powers? Ouetsu said that his old Zanpakuto was formed from Ichigo's Hollow powers, not his Quincy powers.

Andrew Crichton (talk) 05:02, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Shikai?
How do we know that the new Zangetsu form is Shikai and not unreleased? Unreleased makes more sense, this being a new Zanpakutou. Unless I missed something. Dzylon (Talk) 04:39/June 23, 2013

Unreleased Zanpakuto have consistently been shown to take the form of a katana or similar Japanese blade. Unless stated otherwise, Zangetsu's new form will be considered it's new Shikai state. 04:46, June 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * I believe that's an incorrect approach to take here. Since when is Ichigo compliant with Shinigami norms?


 * It's also very logical to assume that Kubo is showing us the unreleased form. Why would he show us Shikai first? Does that mean he'll be showing us the unreleased form later, or that the unreleased form isn't changed at all? Both of those scenarios make little sense.


 * I'd have made the change myself already, but that appears to be unwelcome. I'm being blocked. Looks like I'm stuck here, where I doubt I'll make any progress in changing your mind. Too bad. Dzylon (Talk) 04:55/June 23, 2013

Despite the fact that in the entire time bleach has been a series Ichigo has never had a sealed zanpakuto, he has always has constant-release type no matter what his zanpakuto looks like, This case is no different. What makes no sense is what your saying. ichigo's zanpakuto has always been in shikai as long as he had his own zanpakuto after his shattered shaft training. This is actually something commonly known in the series.--


 * Except that's wrong. "Stopping in his tracks, Ichigo, turning towards Urahara, calls out Zangetsu, activating his Shikai." That's from Ichigo Kurosaki. If you're right, this wiki is not to be trusted whatsoever. Sure, he usually stays in Shikai, but this situation is a bit different, don't you think? Has Ichigo's Zanpakutou ever undergone a change like this before now?


 * On my wikis, if we're assuming things, we say so in the article. Doing otherwise does not make a trustworthy resource. Dzylon (Talk) 05:24/June 23, 2013 05:24, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

I'll reinstate, Unless stated otherwise, Zangetsu's new form will be considered it's new Shikai state. Other than that first sealed Zanpakuto which was born from Rukia's power, not his own, Ichigo has had a constant-release type Zanpakuto like Kenpachi Zaraki and confirmed by Yoruichi. We have reason enough to believe he has simply acquired a new Shikai form, like when he regained his Shinigami powers during the Fullbring Arc. If it turns out that this is his sealed form then we will simply change the content of the article to reflect the new information. 05:35, June 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Your opinion on this matter isn't as ultimate as you're making it sound. You look like a regular editor to me. Whatever. I'm not making any progress here, so I'll take my leave. Dzylon (Talk) 05:42/June 23, 2013

Thank you for understanding your situation. :3  05:45, June 23, 2013 (UTC)