Forum:Hollow Ichigo

Unique Among Hollows
First off I will be giving facts and then my interpretation of those facts. Hollows are either corrupted human souls or evil human souls. Shinigami are human souls with high spiritual awareness or born to two other human souls. Standard Hollows are a single human soul. The Menos classes are a combination of many Hollows. As they evolve from Gillian to Adjuchaa and then finally to Vasto Lorde, a single personality becomes dominant. That means that the Espada and Shinigami are both at there core dead human souls. However, Hollow Ichigo is different, he resides in a living human body. This also means that Ichigo himself is unique because his is a living Shinigami. Even the other Vizards are not the same, they were infected with there Hollows but Ichigo came by his, for lack of a better term, naturally. Now, for my thought on the matter. Hollow Ichigo has full manifested twice, the first was during the Vizard training and the second was while fighting Ulquiorra. But the two transformations we different in the first transformation Hollow Ichigo wear the same mask as he had been wearing, with his skin turned white and a lizard like tail. He also fought in a crouched position, more animalistic. In his second transformation the masked changed and included horns this time he fought standing up, more human. The leads men to think that Ichigo’s inner Hollow evolve while in Hueco Mundo. This is partially supported by Ichigo’s increase in the time he could keep his Hollow mask on while fighting. --Tripodssj6 15:20, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Truest Instincts
During Hollow Ichigo's fight with the rouge Zanpakutō Muramasa, Hollow Ichigo refers to itself and Ichigo's truest instincts. This has made me wonder weather or not those instincts are the same ones that manifested during Ichigo’s first fight with Renji. I'm not say that Hollow Ichigo was around back then but maybe that sudden increase in spiritual pressure that Ichigo received came from the same place that his inner Hollow eventually came from. Think about that fight with Renji, after getting cut in the shoulder by Zabimaru, Ichigo begins to out class a Lieutenant of the Gotei 13. But he does so with a wicked grin on his face (in my opinion reminiscent to Hollow Ichigo's) and his personality shifts to a cockier one. --Tripodssj6 17:42, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Hollow Ichigo was around back then. In episode 40 Yoruichi(in her cat form) metions he found the hollow mask inside his uniform after his fight with kenpachi. Ichigo said it saved his life because it prevented his organs from being crushed by renji and he wanted to keep it as a good luck charm. However he found it strange, because Hanatarō threw it away into the underground tunnels after Ichigo's fight with Renji because he thought it was a bad omen. --Lemursrule 22:17, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Tripodssj6 mean the first fight between Ichigo and Renji, in the human world during Rukia return to the SS. While he had that big sword.--Black Artist 00:55, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

I was just reading and it struck me odd that Hollow Ichigo says he does not know what he is. Firstly, during his first fight with Ichigo, the popular "tagline" was:"I am...Zangetsu", which he actually SAYS. Secondly, he himself says he is Ichigo's purest instincts. So, maybe he is the physical (he's in Ichigo's soul, so yeah, physical wouldn't be right, but still) manifestation of Ichigo's instinct. In this case, it could also mean that he is the negative version of those instincts while old man Zangetsu is the positive version. He does say that he and Zangetsu are one..

Full Hollow
I edited the page already, but has anyone noticed that Hollow Ichigo's mask is fractured over the left eye when his "full hollow" form emerges? I think he can only really complete the mask if ichigo is dead and there is no more contest over the soul.Utae 21:13, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Hollow Ichigo's Power
i believe "hichigo" in full transformation (vizard training) is comparable to adjuchas while i believe this new transformation is comparable to a vasto lorde any objections --Cmcwiki 10:17, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this issue is LONG dead, as seen up on top of the Talk Page. Any attempt to put change it to say Hollow Ichigo is any of these classes is gonna get reverted, due to it being technically untrue. Arrancar109 15:41, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

i have no intention of changing the article, i am merely saying that hollow ichigo's power suggests his status as a vasto lorde, considering that he took out ulquiorra's second release, and his appearance is similar to the sillouhete of the vasto lorde. notice the white skin and the near human appearance. evidence points to being a vasto lorde, however until proven this will remain only as suspiscion.--Cmcwiki 19:15, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay Cmcwiki, we understand what you're saying & yes once transformed into his full hollow form his power is possibly comparable to a Vasto Lorde. However, his inner hollow is controlling ICHIGOS power not its own. Also a Vasto Lorde is a Menos Grande. It is the 3rd class of Menos as well as the strongest & Menos aren't regular Hollows. In order for a Hollow to become a Menos it must devour many many other hollows. After it has devoured a as of yet unspecified amount of Hollows(Though it is thought to be well over 100) it will become a Gillian(The weakest of the Menos). An arrancar named Grimmjow who when he was a Hollow was the 2nd class of Menos(Adjuchas). He alone devoured at least 3,000 hollows & never ascended to Vasto Lorde. To further prove my point Aaroneiro the 9th Espada was a Gillian class Menos. He boasted that during his entire lifetime he had devoured more then 30,000 hollows & was still considered a Gillian. This makes it impossible for Ichigos Inner Hollow to be a Menos let alone a Vasto Lorde. Any changes to this even if it is just speculation will be changed back. Minato88 20:45, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

you are forgetting that all power is based off of spiritual energy. ichigo and hollow ichigo are very powerful and in turn i believe that the amount of spiritual energy they possess allows them to bypass consuming other hollows, by the time hollow ichigo's full form appeared, ichigo had faced and defeated two captain level shinigami, byakuya and zaraki. this suggests that hollow ichigo's power is at least adjuchas possibly before the training. by the time he faces off against ulquiorra's 2nd release, hollow ichigo is on par and even surpassing him (i personally believe the top four espada to be a vasto lorde, again speculation) making me believe he is on par with vasto lorde if not one himself. again i say that this is all speculation and i have no intention of editing the article until all suspicions are proven true or false --Cmcwiki 21:28, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * Cmcwiki, first I would like to thank U for agreeing with me about the top 4 Espada. I too think they are Vasto Lorde & if U go to the Watercooler under forums & look under the new developments U will see my arguments about this. Still what I said was true. The Hollow is manipulating Ichigo's massive amount of power. If U read the Hollow Ichigo page & look at his abilities it states as far as combat skills are superior to Ichigos in every way, Yet Ichigo's spirit power overwhelmed him & Ichigo subjugated him. Vasto Lorde aren't just really really really powerful Hollows. They are a conglomeration of many different hollows. It is possible that Ichigos Inner Hollow has evolved into a very powerful Hollow since it is stated that Ichigos Hollow & Zangetsu are actually the same, but it is still IMPOSSIBLE for him to be a Menos Grande. To further state my point is that Ichigo has truly massive amounts or Spirit Energy. His Zanpakuto is possible proof of this. Kenpachi(Whose Zanpakuto is also a constant Release type) has stated that his Zanpakuto can't be sealed because his spirit pressure is too strong & Ichigo is the only other character whose Zanpakuto is always released. So its not impossible to say Ichigo himself is on par with a Vasto Lorde. Minato88 23:14, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

so that being, we have established (speculation) that while not being adjuchas or vasto lorde, hollow ichigo and in turn ichigo himself are on par with them (speculation ends)--Cmcwiki 23:34, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

I think it's hard to throw the term arrancar around when speculating about people's powers in this current saga. Kubo himself has used the phrase "Arrancar" many times in conversations between Aizen and the Espada and with other characters such as Ichigo. We have to go on what the manga clues us in on as so far as up to now we havea pretty good idea that all the Espada were pre formed when Aizen found them. I personally think that Kubo wrote himself into a corner with the whole Arrancar hierarchy to begin with, thats why the phrase is thrown around so much. What we should focus on is the last thing he said. "You shoddy Arrancar wannabes." I think this eludes to a more powerful form like the one Ichigo obtained which we can consider to be a full blown Arrancar. Hollowmajinbuu1 03:05, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

I think he's just calling the Vizard arrancar wannabes as, while they both gain a power boost from their transformation, Arrancar can do so full time while vizard have a temporary boost, so vizards are, in his eyes, 'inferior' to arrancar like Starrk. I don't think he was referring to any new form.

Though of course, via Ulquiorra, we know arrancar *can* get more than one transformation.ZeroSD 14:50, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Okay before anyone else comments on Ichigo being an Arrancar, please go read these two pages. Vizard & Arrancar. Ichigo is a Vizard(A Soul Reaper who has gained the powers of a Hollow). An Arrancar(Is a hollow whom has removed his mask in order to gain the powers of a Soul Reaper). There is more of a possibility(1 in a 1,000,000,000) that Ichigos Inner Hollow is a Vasto Lorde then there is of Ichigo being an Arrancar. I know Ulquiorra said In his final form Ichigos speed was too great to be Shunpo & that it was Sonido. However Ichigos Bankai grants him speed which exceeds the boundaries of Shunpo. This is stated on Ichigos page. Minato88 18:51, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Well Minato88 think about this for a second? Did Ichigo really gain his powers as a soul reaper to hollow? I think Ichigo has been shown as being a human born with a Hollow soul. Therefore he is unique and has unique abilities which has given him all this power and advantage thus far. So he isn't a Vizard, Shinigami, Hollow, or Arrancar. He is something which even Aizen is unsure of. Hollowmajinbuu1 09:24, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * NO, Ichigo is a Vizard! I have thought about this. Hollomajinbuul & everyone else here who doesn't fully understand how Ichigo became a Vizard, please go to Bleachget.com & watch episodes 17, 18, & 19. These are the episodes which led to Ichigo not only achieving his own Soul Reaper powers, but also the CREATION of his Inner Hollow. Aizen finds Ichigo interesting because of his latent ability. If u want to see an example of just how strong Ichigo can become watch ep 166(after Orihime cries out to Ichigo begging him to not get hurt anymore, Ichigo does something quite impressive). In his fight with Kenpachi, Ichigo displayed two separate abilities we have not seen since then, nor were these abilities explained. First Ichigo was pierced through the chest, but somehow was able to emit enough spirit pressure to stop the bleeding. Also, his Zanpakuto was broken into two pieces by Kenpachi yet he was somehow able to instantly repair it with no explanation. Neither of these abilities have been explained or even commented on since then. It is true that among the Vizard, Ichigo seems special. I think this is because of how he achieved his powers. He achieved them without the Hogyoku or Aizens experiments which Hollified the other Vizard. Please don't take this next question as an insult, but where on earth did u hear that Ichigo was born with a Hollows soul? Minato88 13:47, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

I just want to add that during the process of acheiving his Shinigami powers Ichigo was going through the hollowfication process. If you remeber the episode he was being covered by the same white stuff that covered Shinji when Urahara put him in the hole. And Urahara also said that if his chain was to disappear he would become a hollow. But he over came the transfomation with out the help of the Hogyoku. Just wanted to add that. Tealang99 14:00, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

I don't take offense there guy/or gal. But obviously you seem like a lot of these other chronic posters who think that Kubo is sitting next to you as you type. Ichigo has had a hollow merged with his own soul since the beginning of Bleach. It was not given to him through experimentation like Shinji and the other Vizards via Aizen. Before you start posting issues and episodes to go review, relax a bit. Hollowmajinbuu1 17:11, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

When did he fuse with a hollow i was under the impression that his inner hollow is a part of him and ZangetsuKensei24 19:55, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo's hollow was created during his hollowfication in Urahara's basement, as part of the training to get back his shinigami powers. If you notice, the mask that forms on his head then is the same mask that he gains when he becomes a vizard and the same mask that grows over his face when hollow Ichigo takes over. Before this, he has been in situations where his hollow would have taken over had it existed, for example when he was nearly killed by Byakuya. Had his Hollow been merged with his soul from birth, he would have been possessed then, as he has every time since when he's nearly died. BollyW 05:58, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

You know the Uaharra back story is interesting and merits looking at. I want to thank Tealang99 and BollyW for bringing it up. Because I think about it all the time. We all remember first seeing Ichigo wearing the future mask of his hollow when he came out of the pit. So the million dollar question is, did Uaharra plan that? Therefore giving Ichigo a hollow contamination like Aizen did with the Vizards? I don't like that scenario true though it may be. I don't see Uaharra doing that, it's not in his character. Uaharra to me is the most fascinating character in Bleach. He is like the polar opposite of Aizen's character. Aizen himself has remarked that Uaharra is not what he seems and even praised him. Uaharra definitely knows way more than he lets on and does manipulate people to do certain tasks that benefit the greater cause. The reason I can't side with the last few posters in their theories is that I feel that Ichigo is a unique creation in this 100 year battle. The biggest mystery is how can it be a coincidence that Ichigo is who he is and have all this power when Uaharra happens to know Ichigo's dad on a personal level and we find out that Ichigo's dad is some super secret Shinigami with high power (Suspected Royal Guard Elite in my book). Anyway, I sidetracked a little. I just don't think that Ichigo was combined with any old Hollow in Uaharra's well, I think that Ichigo has been shown to always be a dark brooding character with a hidden demon he didn't understand. And in true comic book fashion... as he becomes a teenager those powers manifest and then get amplified by a chance encounter with a soul reaper Rukia. Heck,... now that I think about it maybe that's really why Uaharra put the Hokyoku inside Rukia. Knowing that they would meet and the Hokyoku could activate the latent Shinigami/Hollow power in Ichigo????!!!!Hollowmajinbuu1 08:28, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

That's a big theory. And while interesting I can't quite agree. Ichigo, as the son of a former captain level shinigami, has inherited his strength, plus obviously being an incredibly strong soul to begin with. This is shown in his rapid development. The reason Urahara used the hollowfication process to awaked Ichigo's power is due to Byakuya's attack destroying both his basic soul power and his shinigami power booster, the only way to regenerate the second being to push him into a life or death situation and in doing so, because Ichigo took so long, splitting his power into his rational mind and his instincts, his waking mind and his inner hollow. This makes him somewhat different to the original vizards, but not that different that he's a different species altogether, just that his route to getting to there was different. BollyW 08:45, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

any of you guys think that urahara has some connection to the soul king? and maybe that has something to do with isshin being there to.Soul reaper magnum 05:35, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thats doubtful(but not impossible). I was actually thinking that the Viazrds might be connected to the Soul King. I don't think its stated in the anime, but I have seen some other users post comments which suggests the vizards recruited Ichigo because they were either ordered to or were asked to. Both of these theories are unlikely, cause thus far it is unknown if even the Head-Captain has met with the soul King, let alone a bunch of others in the real world. Minato88 05:54, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

i know it's probably not true i just thought i'd bring it up(that's what these forums are for from what i'v heard) and it does seem like some one told them about ichigo.Soul reaper magnum 08:23, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be much more likely that Urahara himself asked the Visored to recruit Ichigo? I think that Urahara knew about Aizen's plan, and therefore at the beginning of the series he knew Aizen would try to recover the Hogyoku from Rukia's soul. So when Rukia gets captured and sentenced to execution via the Sokyoku, he returns Ichigo's Shinigami powers the only way he knows how - by turning him into a Visored. Since Urahara is not a Visored and doesn't really know how to control an inner hollow (something the other Visored learned after leaving Soul Society), once Ichigo's inner hollow begins to manifest he asks the group of Visoreds to help him. Silvercrys3467 18:46, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

that's probably true, i think he stayed in contact with them after they all left soul society(before telling them about ichigo). and do any of you guys think he's about to make an appearance in the battle? i mean hiyori was his lieutenant i think he'd still be mad at gin(and aizen) for what happened.Soul reaper magnum 03:02, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

What about the fact that urahara happened to have developed a hollow-based artifact? It's mere effect was to make hybrid shinigami. It was created before the vizard, so how does he even suspect its power on the pendulum arc? He even put it in rukia, who he knew frequented or visited the human world, and Kakura town at that! She was around him, awakening his original powers (from birth) and when she was captured, as aforementioned, Ichigo recived a power surge in the fight for her? Chad developed hollow powers BEFORE ichigo's hollowification. This supports aforementioned theories. Also, when Ichigo transformed, he experienced no fight wiht the hollow. Why? Its weird because he found his shinigami powers fast enough, and though some say Urahara did not expct the hollow, he did. He even said we would have to kill you. thats pretty heavy evidence right there. -ChemIisan

First of all, it isn't possible, as far as any evidence indicates, that anyone can be born with a hollow soul. If Ichigo's soul was hollow from birth, he wouldn't act like a human, he would act like a hollow. Second, no one but Kubo-san can really say whether Urahara expected Ichigo to develop a hollow during the process to get his powers back; all we know of that process is that Urahara said it was the only way to regain his Shinigami powers, and he knew the risk was that Ichigo would turn hollow before he regained his powers. Granted, he already knew that he had Shinigami powers of his own because unlike Ichigo, Urahara knew Isshin was a former captain-class Shinigami. Now, of course, we all know Ichigo is unique in many ways, including the way he gained hollow powers. The thing I wonder about is when exactly did Urahara put the Hougyouku in Rukia, and why her? But that's not the topic of this discussion. --Liamxblazeneyes 12:02, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Also, I forgot to add that everyone has the potential to become a hollow because a hollow is just a person who has lost their normal emotions and now acts on instinct. Hence why anyone under the right circumstances might develop hollow powers if they were able to draw out their instincts from their emotions. In my opinion, this is what the Hougyoku really does, in essence it splits the soul of a whole soul, or for Hollows, allows them to re-enter the realm of more rational thought. --Liamxblazeneyes 12:05, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Urahara put Hougyoku inside Rukia that night she gave her shinigami powers to Ichigo. She needed a gigai and he gave her one special with Hougyoku inside and that gigai had the power to prevent renewing reiroku so Rukia could after some time just become an ordinary human so she couldn't be found by anyone from Soul Society and thus keeping the Hougyoku inside her gigai safe. Ergro 19:56, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

It was already explained that the Hougyoku was placed in Rukia's soul and not her Gigai. The Hougyoku was removed from her soul in the SS not in the human world, so while she was in jail awaiting execution she had no Gigai. She was given the gigai by Urahara to weaken her Reitsu to the point of being a normal human so she would not be detected by Aizen. The actual Hougyoku was placed in Rukia before the start of the series, before she started protecting K town. Why Urahara chose her we dont know but I would like to know> Tealang99 18:28, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

i think he chose her due to her relation to Ichigo sice Uahara does Ichigos dad