Forum:Spoiler Policy

Manga Spoilers
Bleach_Wiki:Spoiler_Policy, finally there...

That page, I think you already tought of it, is here to discuss/comment/talk about the new policy and the maybe-future changes.

I would like it to be made explicitly clear that the spoilers are not to be added until after the release of an ENGLISH scanlation. I asked this because this is what happened when latest chapter came out. Someone started adding content to a page after the raw came out but long before the english version. I reverted and left the comment "NO SPOILERS TILL AN ENGLISH VERSION IS OUT". However, my revert got reverted with the comment "Were does it say the english must be out?". Unfortunately my answer to that question had to be somewhat indirect. When I reverted the raw based content I had to say "Did you happen to miss the section about "Sleepy Fans"?". This I think is a flaw with the spoiler policy. It specifically mentions Sleepyfans but Sleepyfans aren't always the first english scanlators and it is somewhat of an indirect way of saying that the english chapter has to be out. So I say that we change the policy to specifically say "An english scanlation has to be out on a publicly accessible site" i.e. can't be release exclusively to for people with membership of a certain site or anything like that. I also suggest we remove the reference to Sleepyfans because, again with the latest chapter, the first english scanlators were CNet and it was only released on BleachExile. So technically this week me, Salibur, Yyp and pretty much everybody else violated the spoiler policy since we started adding content before Sleepyfans came out with their scanlation. Tinni 10:46, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

I second this - it needs to be clarified. Also, FrankyHouse & Hueco Mundo Crew have released a scanlation of Bleach before Sleepyfans in the past too. SF may typically be the first, but not always. Yyp 10:54, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

I really think that this needs to be addressed, as it is out on BleachExile before the Sleepyfans scan appears on Onemanga again. That makes it two weeks in a row. I'm not adding anything about it to the site, even though the chapter is now freely available in English. But there will be a load of edits by others that find it on BE. --Yyp 21:08, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully that will help.Salubri 21:55, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Salubri. --Yyp 22:08, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Anime Spoilers
I know it is only applicable for the filler episodes, but shouldn't there be some sort of official guideline for adding content from the anime? I mean, the raw of the anime is out but the earliest sub is still hours away. Is it ok to start adding content? There should have a line or two about it in the spoiler policy. Also the latter part of this sentence no longer makes sense. We actually consider that untill the chapter is released by a publicly accessible site (and most likely replace the old chapter's informations on the main page of the wiki), he is still at the state of "Japanese Spoiler, unsure". Tinni 14:14, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

For the filler - yeah, there is an issue there alright. Nothing should be added until a subbed version is released, so that we can verify the accuracy of whatever is added to the wiki. It is fine for the canon episodes, as virtually all the information will already be on the wiki due to the manga.

In addition to that, the episode titles sometimes contain major spoilers (eg Byakuya's betrayal, a certain somebody's immanent re-appearance), I think that they should be covered by the spoiler policy too. Sometimes they are completely misleading (there was a recent one with Kazeshini in the title, but he only appeared for 2 minutes in the entire episode), but often they are revealing big info about what's happening in the episode. They are currently listed in the Episodes page. Maybe it would be best not to add the titles of the filler episodes until they have be released & subbed. --Yyp 16:08, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

I concur. I felt the same way about the Byakuya instance. TomServo101 16:19, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

I edited the Spoiler Policy to clarify some sentences. Hopefully, it makes more sense now. Let one of the admins know if anything remains unclear.

I completely agree with Yyp: information on new episodes should not be released until fansubs are out and easily accessible. I also agree on the episode title front. Even when the series isn't currently showing an anime-only arc, some people don't really follow the manga and titles can be ruin potential surprises. Twocents 16:25, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

I have removed the titles from the Episodes page. They can now only be found on the Spoilers page. I'm working on something to add to the Bleach Wiki:Spoiler Policy about the anime. --Yyp 16:29, October 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, its updated now. --Yyp 16:40, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Canon anime images
Not something that needs to be dealt with immediately but I wanted to ask what the policy is going to be for canon anime images. I don't think it'll be a huge problem but given how eager people are for things like Ulquoirra's resurrection and Ichigo's second hollow form, those images are likely to be screencapped from the raw episode (which as the added benefit of being subtitle free) as soon as possible. Leading people to start inserting them into articles as soon as they can. So question is, would that be considered a spoiler or not? Do we still make them wait until the english subtitled episodes come out? Or is it cool to let them inserting pics as soon as they become available give that the story and manga images are already there and in most cases the black and white manga images will just be being replaced with coloured anime ones. Tinni  (Talk)  10:11, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

This is a interesting question. Specifically I don't think there is a policy thats against this. Though the policy is against putting up information form an anime episode before its english version is out. There doesn't seem to be anything the specifically says images currently just the information presented. This is due normally to a situation that has the anime filler, but If the information or pic is already there from the manga then how can a canon color version of it be a spoiler. I personally don't think it is, so regardless of if the episode is in english or not if it is manga-based anime it should be qualifiable that the picture be placed without incident, as its technically already up (in black and white). Salubri (Talk)  14:34, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

New development requires Spoiler Policy Change
If you guys haven't heard, Crunchyroll is now the licensed Bleach Streaming site. As a result, Dattabayo has dropped Bleach. They were the fastest and most reliable. [Animatrix] said their is a 50/50 chance they will continue, ELEMENTS - the other Bleach fansubber, hasn't issued any statements. Whichever way, we need to update our spoiler policy due to the change.

Crunchyroll will simulcast Bleach at the same time as TV Tokyo (which mean I will get it at the nice civilised time of 8:00PM ^.^), however, their simulcast is only for paid members (which I will be from next week... well next month after the free trial finishes). Non-members will get the episode from them a week later. If [Animatrix] continues, Bleach should be available to all pretty much when it is available to all now. If they don't and ELEMENTS is the only people who continue, then Bleach episodes won't be available until some days after it first comes out. I don't imagine Crunchyroll will have any impact on people who post Bleach episode raws. The point is, we can no longer demand that Bleach be available for "all" unless we say we are not going to make new episode information available on the site until Crunchyroll releases the sub a week after the episode first airs.

So, I recommend that we say that as soon as Crunchyroll starts/finishes their simulcast, people can start adding episode information. I mean, it is unfortunately that people who can't pay or simply can't access Crunchyroll (it's apparently not available in Asia and parts of you Europe) but Crunchyroll is a public site and starting the 8th of June, they will be the licensed streamers of Bleach. Tinni  (Talk)  22:19, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

PS. Here is the link to the Crunchyroll announcement regarding Bleach. Tinni  (Talk)  22:19, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, we shouldn't need to wait until the episodes are available to everybody before we update our articles based on the anime episodes. Once a reliable sub is available, even if it is only to paid members, then people should be free to work on the articles. Prophet of Sanghelios 00:03, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * We allow an episode to be added only when an English subtitled version of it is available to watch on a publicly accessible site.

The above is what the spoiler policy says. I see no problem with how it is worded. We do not demand that it is available for "all". As far as I'm concerned the policy allows people to start adding stuff from it once it is on CR's site. Maybe your intreptation of the wording is different to mine, but that is the way I see it. Yyp (Talk) 13:32, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't interpret it differently. I was 90% certain that CR would be caught in the wording but I figured I would bring-up the issue and get clarification on the off chance there was a different interpretation, as in - freely accessible, as opposed to member exclusive. But if we are all in agreement that the above statement catches CR. I am happy. Tinni  (Talk)  13:40, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Question about necessity of Manga Spoilers
I am aware that there are many people who do not read the manga, but avidly watch the anime. Leaving the debate aside about who is getting a better Bleach experience out of Manga/non-Manga readers, is there any way to revise the Spoiler Policy to hide or move manga spoilers? For example the "Status" category in the character data sections is so easy to accidentally read, giving away an entire fight often before it has even started in the Anime. It makes the site basically impossible to read for spoiler-conscientious Anime-only fans.

What can be done about this? Any ideas? DrKaii 13:29, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

On the spoiler page, we have a show/hide tab for the manga yet to be released. Could we use a tab like that to do a job here, or would it be overkill? TomServo101 (Talk)  12:39, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Your point is utterly illogical and therefore will not be considered. ALL the articles on the wiki are "manga-current". Therefore, most people doing anything on the wiki will be exposed to the "manga spoilers". By visiting this wiki, anime-only individuals are assuming the risk of being exposed to manga content. If they don't like it, they should find a Bleach Anime-only wiki. But we are not destroying the look and feel of articles as important as character profiles to appease anime-only fans. I don't really think there is much else to say on the topic. Tinni  (Talk)  14:09, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

To add to the point here. Manga is the content created by Tite Kubo himself written and drawn. Now if there are those who dont like reading or can't bring themselves to read like most of fans here do. Then I think thats a bigger problem. Manga is the real content like it or not. It is the content by which the site is based on. Anime-only fans are really doing themselves a disservice with the amount of inconsistencies, inaccuracies and made up content by secondary parties that is infused throughout the manga based anime and anime only arcs. There in truth is no debate on this site between whether or not a manga or non-manga fan is getting a better bleach experience. Its commonly held that manga is the better experience, no question sd it is directly from the creator, using the terms he wants, portrayed the way he wants. Anything else is secondary. As far as im concerned as a user/fan/admin im not for anything provided upon this request as far as the other admin and users i cant speak for them but I suspect they might be with me on this. --Salubri (Talk)  14:26, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

To be honest i am much more of an anime fan than mamga in most regards. I have been watching anime since around 1992 when the only stuff i could get were videos of the major movies like fist of the north star and manga was nigh on impossible to find. However even though i undertsand the issue i think that Salubri's point holds true. the fact is that this site as stated is based on the "manga written and drawn by Tite Kubo". if anything it is an extra service to the anime that the anime only content and comparisions are made. Enough is mentioned when finding the site on google which says the site contains a plethora of spoilers. there has to be set lines drawn and no one will ever be happy if restrctions are imposed. Wolfwood (Shoot)  14:56, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Wow I never realised how sensitive an issue this is to you guys. I never suspected you would have to struggle so hard to hold back from saying "DrKaii you are a complete and utter idiot, *$"!# off". All you needed to do was say "no, this site is officially and specifically a manga wiki" and that would have been enough. I never expected two large, emotional, aggressive paragraphs about how stupid I am for not thinking exactly like you, and disgracing your precious wiki with my foolish request. Did you know that there are people who watch the anime first and then read the manga to make up any of the inconsistencies? Did you know that there are also people who are not loyal, die hard puppies of Tite Kubo who go rioting in the streets every time the Anime writers make a change or inconsistency, and are happy to just enjoy the Anime? Ok so I was wrong about this site, I never realised it was officially a Manga site, I wish I had. I never realised it was run by Anime-haters. I was also wrong thinking that it had a nicer, more friendly community. Thanks Wolfwood and Tomservo101 though, for being more understanding. Goodbye wiki. DrKaii 17:10, June 9 2010 (UTC)

Well since DrKali has decided to leave and so probably won't read any further responses, this seems a bit pointless but I must defend myself and the wiki against baseless attacks, so here goes. 1. I too watched the anime first and then moved on to the manga because the anime was behind and I am not the most patient person in the world. 2. I do not hate the anime. I like it a lot and defend it all the time. 3. This is not a "manga-only" wiki - if was we wouldn't have devoted so much space to the anime, including giving anime episodes their individual pages and having a project dedicated completing anime summaries. 4. This is a "Bleach Universe" wiki, which means we cover everything connected with Bleach to the best of our ability.


 * We do, however, treat that manga as the primary source and the anime as the secondary source of Bleach information. In addition, the response given here was no different then the response we give to manga-only fans who INSIST that the anime is not canon and me must either remove all mentions to anime-only content or otherwise mark the content as being not part of the official Bleach universe because Kubo's contribution is diluted. We are not here to appease manga-only fans. We are not here to appease anime-only fans. We cater to ALL Bleach fans. Since we are hated by both the manga-only crowd and the anime-only crowd, I think we are doing a good job. I hope that settles it. I am closing this discussion. Tinni   (Talk)  17:36, June 9, 2010 (UTC)