Talk:Wonderweiss Margela

Name
In Japanese, his name is pronounced Wonderweiss Margera. Since the surname comes first in Japanese, wouldn't that make the English translation of his name Margera Wonderweiss? I guess the correct translation is given in the manga, but I never read it so I don't know. And if Margera is his surname, why do they put it last in the Japanese version? Now that I think about it, doesn't this also apply to all of the other arrancar, too? Darth Havoc 04:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think that's how the Japanese do it.--Espada Speed 12:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't part of its name mean white in German?--Hcaelb 02:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Most of the arrancar have non-Japanese names, so the traditional Japanese naming conventions likely do not apply to the arrancar. Yyp 12:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
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Why was the Trivia section deleted?
I don't understand, why was Wonderweiss' trivia section removed? Why delete content on a character that we may be about to find out a lot more about very soon? Surely we should be adding info instead. TomServo101 22:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
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Tattoo/Mark?
Could someone please provide a source to the claim of there being a Tattoo/mark on his chest - I don't remember anything like this ever being shown. Ancient Chaos 06:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that came from the picture of Wonderweiss in chapter 363 on page 17. At the bottom of the hole in his uniform is a small black mark. It doesn't really look like anything significant to me, but also seems a bit large to be a stray mark. LapisScarab 06:54, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Correction. The mark is also visible on page 5 of chapter 364. It's not an error. LapisScarab 06:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok I went and checked the mark but I am still not comfortable with how it was worded "Wonderweiss is the only Arrancar to have been shown with a strange mark on his body similar to that of an Espada tattoo. It is unknown why that is." I mean, it's just so small and so... it could be anything. So for the time being I am replacing the wording with "Wonderweiss has been shown to have a strange mark on his chest. It is unclear what, if any, significance the mark holds." I hope no one has any objections. Tinni 10:43, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

For anyone whos wondering, I've taken out the "It is unclear what, if any, significance the mark holds." part of the trivia, as it goes against the Speculation Policy, which was introduced some time after this issue was discussed. -- Yyp (Talk) 19:57, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
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Accuracy of the Trivia
The trivia section says this: "He is the first Arrancar to be shown while being created on screen, (created as in the Shinigamification from Hollow to Arrancar)." What about Grand Fisher - way back in chapter 25 (partly shown in episode 110)? --Yyp 21:36, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

I think he might mean the Shinigamification by Hogyoku... but regardless, yes, Grand Fisher was shown first, regardless of which version is shown; the natural one, or the Hogyoku one. Arrancar109 21:40, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
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Ressurrection
エスティンギル (esutingiru). Ryūketsu Namida 23:23, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just joting down here, his Ressurection name is Extinguir, which means extinguish. The katakana is

I think he was referring to Wonderweiss' name, not his Zanpakuto's. In that department, I have no idea. Mohrpheus 17:41, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure his name is not actually Manguera? because is spanish for Firehose--Thenewjericho 23:59, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I´m a native spanish speaker and no, first of all there´s the wrtiting kubo use, it cannot be twisted to say Ma-Nu-Ge-Ra, Extinguir is a verb in infinitve form, which is rare due to resurrecions being more like animal manes or adjectives, but yeah, to sum up, It is Extinguir, 100% true.
 * But i bring another thing up there says Esutingiru, written in spanich would be Estinguir, the X has a ks like sound, in other words Ekusutingiru would be more accurate, but guess this is just kubo´s spanish XXUlquehXx
 * Well, but Estinguir makes no sense in spanish. Even if it isn't the right way to write it, it is "Extinguir" and not "Estinguir". Thenewjericho, I think "Margera" is his real name. Manguera is written "マヌゲラ" (Manugera), but in the article, his name in katakana is written "マルゲラ" (Marugera). However, I think it should be added in the trivia that his surname resembles the word Manguera. Rambard 01:23, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

First off, the Katakana for Manguera, if any, would be マンゲラ (Mangera). Second, I really doubt Kubo's intention for Wonderweiss's surname was giving it any meaning, just like no other Arrancar has had a meaning to their names. I really think the admins should check to that Trivia, in my opinion, it could be considered junk trivia, since it's mostly unbased speculation and it adds nothing to the article and his abilities are no way water based (even if he could "extinguish" Yamamoto's Ryujin Jakka, he did it by merely touching it). And I'm a native Spanish speaker too, by the way. Lia Schiffer 01:50, March 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Lia is correct, there is no evidence that Kubo intended Wonderweiss's name to have any meaning. Indeed, all name meaning type trivia are considered speculation except in the case of Ichigo - whose name meaning was mentioned multiple times in the manga. That trivia has now been removed for being speculation. Do not add it again. Tinni   (Talk)  03:12, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Only Modified Arrancar
Is Wonderweiss really the only modified Arrancar? Because if I remember correctly, Szayel Aporro's fraccions were modified so that he could eat them and restore his health. Perhaps Aizen is talking about that Wonderweiss is the only Arrancar that he personally modified.--Shinitenshi 18:14, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

I would assume so, but we've got nothing to prove what he meant by saying that. I doubt that Aizen didn't know that Szayel modified his Fraccion in those ways. Arrancar109 (Talk)  18:29, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Szayel Aporro modified his fracion when the were still hollow and had Aizen transform them into arrancar they were not modified well arrancar-Berfomet 04:07, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

It may be the way that it was translated. Just checking all the angles. Does anyone know if other scanlations say the same thing?--Shinitenshi 06:54, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Cnet also translated that line as "Wonderwice is unique; the only modified Arrancar". You are correct in that Apollo's faccion were all modified and all Arrancars. Apollo actually said he had Aizen turn his faccion into Arrancar so Aizen knew about them. We can't assume that the distinction is that Apollo modified his faccion as hollows and Wonderweiss was modified as an Arrancar because we saw Wonderweiss being made and shortly after, when he made his combat debut, he already had the mental retardation that Aizen said was a result of him trading away everything to gain enough strength to seal away Rujjin-jaka. We'll just have to take it at manga word and assume that Aizen doesn't care enough about Apollo's modified faccion or something like that. Tinni  (Talk)  07:02, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Left handed?
Not only does Wonderweiss stab Ukitake with his left hand in ch364, but he also blocks and presumably throws Yamamoto with his left hand in ch393. In his inital strike against Yamamoto in the latest chapter (394), he uses his left hand again, and the first hand he sprouts out of his shoulder is again his left. Should this perhaps be included in the trivia? S r ex 22:44, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's really important enough for the trivia section. Maybe it could go in one of the other ones as a mention, but I'm not sure where...Gerokeymaster 23:54, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

It would be considered junk trivia, so it would be deleted immediately. It wouldn't fit anywhere else. Not to mention that it would presumptuous to say that he is left-handed - he has used both hands enough to make his dominant hand indiscernable. The only character with their dominant hand mentioned is Shunsui, because it is outright stated that he is ambidextrous. Mohrpheus 01:02, March 5, 2010 (UTC)