User talk:Salubri

Greetings
I would like to thank you for your additions to he wiki but there are somethings I would like to request.


 * Because this is a wiki about a manga/anime series it is a good idea to have the kanji (or whatever it is) with the names of things. Because it seems you are simply copying from Wikipedia (the ? usually gives it away) just use those.


 * Also, it would help for editing purposes that you use the template. Its there for the very reason of using the english, original, and japanese text of the names and the like.--TheUltimate3 19:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I am to assume you are either not reading this or simply ignoring my request for the kanji and templates are you?--TheUltimate3 04:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Zanpakutō
I also think that elemtal type are a sub of the Kidō type that especiallize in said element. I have no problem with the way that part of the article is written it states what the anime said but since it was a filler nothing can be said to be completly true. Also I'm glad you like it, I'm always looking for a way to make articles look better. WhiteStrike 20:21, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I would leave it the way it is for now till' we know more info on it. I'll check that wiki and see maybe there is something we can take from it and apply to our wiki althought if we go in that direction we may end up with shinigami black and arrancar white because of the way they dress. I you got any sugestions please let me know and I'll see what we can come up with like i said i'm always looking for a way to imporve the way articles look WhiteStrike 20:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Good Afternoon, Salubri
I would like to speak with you .Dekoshu talk contrib 21:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo's page
I had seen that but yea I don't see the need to separate that from his article. Since you reverted to the way it was i'll leave it at that let me know if it keeps getting change and i'll see if we can do someting about it like maybe semi-protect his page or something WhiteStrike 02:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Reply
Well when info from the anime contradicts that of the manga we should take the manga info as being the right info since the manga is the source materiak, an as long as the info in the abine does not conflict the manga that info is correct since is all in the same universe. let me know if that helps clear some of the questions you got and i''l leave the other user a message as well. WhiteStrike 04:07, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: speculation
I'm not confused about anything.

I think saying something about a particular character, where there is no direct proof (in either the anime or the manga) is speculation. For instance, Gin's level of expertise in shunpo. The only real fight he was in was with Hitsugaya, and Gin did not show much of his true power in it.

As far as Aizen goes, I think he's all-powerful based on what I've seen in the manga. He said that he has twice the reiatsu as a normal captain. He said that it takes a lot of effort for him to crush an ant without killing it (referring to Renji). And yes, he said that he has maxed out his capabilities. Whether that refers to his own particular capabilities, or whether that's meant to be taken as a comment that he's the strongest shinigami in all of Soul Society is irrelevant. Aizen said he's maxed out, and the only way to get stronger is to use the hogyoku to break the shinigami-hollow barrier. And that doesn't even take into account how his shikai makes him damn near invincible.

I'm all for discussion. I haven't made many edits so far, and I don't plan to without discussing them first.

But if my attempt to discuss these issues is going to result in people misinterpreting (basically, not reading carefully enough), then I'm just not gonna bother.

And if you want an example of speculation, go to Ulquiorra's page. Then look down where it discusses how Loly and Menoly might be his Fracciones. I don't think that part needs to be on the page; any intelligent observer can look at the manga and see Ulquiorra's reaction to those two, and then easily conclude that them being his Fracciones is INCREDIBLY unlikely. Big red01027 04:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * About Gin, I'm not saying that he's unable to use shunpo. I'm saying that whether or not he's a "master" or "expert" is debatable.  He hasn't been shown using shunpo, but that doesn't mean he CAN'T.  I never said he can't.  Only that he hasn't been shown doing it.  And the only source on it hasn't even been translated into English.


 * Regarding Aizen...he's the MAIN bad guy. Every fight he's been in has been lopsided.  He created Wonderwice Margera using the hogyoku, stopped Grimmjow in his tracks without moving a finger, etc. etc. etc.


 * Why didn't he destroy the shinigami when he had the chance? Because he had just revealed himself to be a traitor, and he wanted to revel in the effect his betrayal had on the rest of the shinigami.  And then he left SS to go to Hueco Mundo to start the next phase of his plan.  He's devious.  And he likes playing mind games.  Aizen doesn't usually do the dirty work himself; he only does it when he has to.  Big red01027 05:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Byakuya and Tōsen/ Swordsmanship
Salubri I'm fine with most if not all of your edits, but I just do not think that Byakuya is a Kido Master, nor do I beleive Tosen to be a Master Swordsmanship Specialist. Byakuya is in the higher tier of Kido users but stating him to be a master would mean he's at the same level as the Kido Captain or Yoruichi who invented Shunko; And Tōsen just isn't that good with a sword. Sure he knows Bankai but he could not stand up to Zaraki with just his sword. See the current Forun on Oscuras/Oscuro page for more details on my opinion of master swordsmanship specialists.Renji Abarai 05:59, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I know that you put this up here a while ago but I have just seen it and want to comment on it. I believe that Byakuya is a master of Kido. Of course not to the extent that the Kido Captain would be (because if that were the case only like two people that we've seen would be a master of Kido). Anyone that can make a Hado 33: Sōkatsui make an explosion like he did during his battle with Renji (when the normal effects are nowhere near as explosive), deserves to be considered a master to some extent. Tōsen.... most people on the wiki tend to think that if you've attained bankai then you've mastered your weapon... atleast to some extent/point, which I think is true also. And the him not being able to stand up to Zaraki part... not many people could (period). Zaraki is what people would call a "beast" lol. So yes, I definitely disagree with him not being considered a master. Or Byakuya not being considered one either. Thanks. --klross1 13:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Moving pages
When renaming pages from a corrected name please move the pages don't just copy the info over. If you move the page the history is preserved as well as the talk page. Also could you please provide a reference to when Todō Gizaeimon full name was revealed, thank you. WhiteStrike 04:39, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Statistics of the six for nearly all Soul Reapers/Shinigami
Do you know where to find the list for Yoruichi's and Ichigo's, or you can't find it at all because of the sheer difficulty? 

This is an example.



Dekoshu talk contrib 23:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Re : Hey
Well, I'm kinda inactive at the moment, but still, I sometimes come on the wiki :).


 * Err, well, let's say I'm not very active these times on the wiki and I don't think I can decide of the new admin alone, ask to other admins or call a "vote" on the forum :)

Hey thanks for the advice.talk

Full metal alchemist
Just in case you don't know a new version of FMA called Full metal alchemist brotherhood came out recently and it's based more on the manga than the anime.

Admin Reply
Hey I saw your comment and I had seen the one you left on Mili-Cien's page and I personally have no problem with you becoming an admin. I know that you been helping this wiki grow for a long time now and even though at times we have disagree on some issues I see you plenty qualified to be some one who would help out. The admins are Arrancar109, Maul-day and myself but the only ones who can make you an admin are Mili-Cien and The Ultimate3 who are the only Bureaucrats. Like I said you got my vote and as long as the others agree I don't think Mili-Cien would have a problem making you an admin. WhiteStrike 01:15, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree as well. You seem on the level and know many of the ground rules we enforce here. Like WhiteStrike said though, only Mili-Cien can give grant you administrator functions. I think Mili just wanted to get our 2 cents on it first, since WhiteStrike and I are the most active administrators at the moment. Arrancar109 04:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Welcome :)

Re:Numbers?
Yes there's a problem with fan fic content. That's not allowed on this wiki!! The thing that's shocking is that you want to be an admin! An admin should know that fan content does not have a place here.--Kisukeiscool100396 01:26, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

sorry about that just having a bad day and remembering when a user (who shall remain nameless) added all these numbers for almost every numero and it was big pain in the ass to have to change it all--Kisukeiscool100396 01:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Problem Reports
Wow, I took my time with this one. Yeah, a lot of these problem reports seem to be little things or things that some people have problems with, whether it's canon or not. For the most part, while I do check them, I mostly just ignore them if they're something relatively small like that. Don't get me wrong, I do fix some problems reported, but only if they're serious enough. Overall, there are several things with some users we have to tolerate, even if we don't like it. I myself have a HUGE problem when I see an edit done with very poor grammar, but the only thing I can do is correct said grammar mistakes. Overall, the only things we gotta watch out for are vandalizers, spammers, and the most common problem, spoilers, so there isn't much to worry about besides those. Arrancar109 20:49, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: New Manga
Thanks for the heads-up. Yeah, I had a feeling this was coming, especially since it appeared on the Halibel article last night when the chapter was released (which was why I posted the message in Toshiro's talk page in the first place). If I come across the situation, I'll try to explain it to the users as well. Arrancar109 22:56, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

In light of our recent back and forth on the Hitsugaya article, I thought I ought to clarify my position. I am not making wild speculations. I am not inciting other to speculate wildly. I am simply making a correction based on what is shown in the image Hitsugaya getting cut. On the left side of the image, where it shows the chunk of Hitsugaya that has been cut away in the background, you will see his ice-covered arm holding on to the remains of his sword. Further down, you will see the clawed foot that he gains during his bankai. It initially looks like an arm or something because only Hitsugaya's upper body is shown in the foreground. Now, arm and leg in the image are connected by the rest of Hitsugaya's right side, showing that he did indeed lose his entire right side. The key to seeing this is to look for the sword in the left part of the image. I apologize if the rapid-fire, back and forth editing offended you somehow, but I was simply trying to improve the accuracy of the article.DanceDance 16:49, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Pics
I'm pretty much on the same level with ya. I didn't say anything to him yet because I saw that both you and WhiteStrike already had. I think what we can do for now is remove some of the excess pics and then warn him. I think we should talk it over with WhiteStrike if it's something we should block him for (for a limited time, of course) or not. Arrancar109 06:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Hitsugaya
Seems like a lot of people like Hitsugaya dying for some reason. At any rate, my patience over this topic is wearing thin. I'm not sure about you, but I'm going to start locking articles that begin exhibiting this for indefinite periods. Since you're a fellow administrator, you're allowed to unlock anything I lock, but I'm only going to do so so I can prevent edit wars or personal preferences from appearing on articles. I'm not just talking about Hitsugaya's article either; I'm also talking about Halibel, Espada, Arrancar, The Arrancar Saga, and anything else that might start showing "Hitsugaya's entire right side got cut off" or "Hitsugaya was killed". I'm really getting sick of it. Sorry about the bitching, but I thought I'd let you know. Arrancar109 00:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Again, sorry about the bitching. I also changed the wording in Hitsugaya's article in a less-specific way, so hopefully people will take that once the article is unlocked. If it still looks a little specific, feel free to undo or correct me on it. Arrancar109 00:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, Hitsugaya's page itself can stay locked. I'm good with that. However, any other pages that might mentioned this can stay unlocked, unless the debate moves onto those articles as well. Arrancar109 23:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

from Always_there10: could u please NOT undo what i edit on Hitsugaya-taichou's page? PLEASE! it took me all morning to edit what i wrote & another half-hour just to re-edit what u erased! i know my facts about him thank u very much, so i would appreciate it if my facts were not erased without some confirmation from me first! please & thank u! -- his eyes r turquoise; the same color as his birthstone!

--Always there10 02:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)*Tatsuki-chan*

Message Archiving
I'm not sure if you feel this way now, but if you ever feel that your Talk Page is getting massive, Mili-Cien showed me how to archive information from talk pages. You can pretty much use a "Cut & Paste" thing on everything on this page and repost it in User talk:Salubri/Archive. Again, this is just a suggestion, in case you feel your Talk Page is getting big. Personally, I let mine get a bit bigger than this before I start. :p Arrancar109 01:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Help?
Hey. :) You said I could poke at you if I had a question. Apparently, I'm watching a bunch of pages. I have no idea how, but I keep getting e-mails about it. Is there a way to change that? Sorry for the utter ignorance. ^^; Twocents 15:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your assistance. ^_^ Twocents 02:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Concerning the lock made on the Hitsugaya page.
Excuse me, do you mind telling me when any of you administrators are going to unlock that page, and I already know about the bunch people who want to state that Toshiro is dead and my reasons for asking this is cause of a few possible edits that I want to make nothing big just a few corrections here and there, however even though it's not really important I would still like to know when.

One more thing how is Tolerance an ability?--SalmanH 17:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

No problem
Okay thanks for telling me this and about my edits they're not really that important i can wait.--SalmanH 18:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey
I think the article would look better if ira is on the left side of the page. this way, it wouldn't make the article look spacey.--Agate genbu 02:51, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Arrancar Abilities
Well generic ones I don't care either way, but I never did add, say Bala or Cero unless the arrancar in question had been seen using it. Overall though, techniques like Cero Oscuras and Gonzui are ones I'd only keep on characters who have actually used it. It's also like saying Stark has the ability to use Segunda Etapa, which is unconfirmed in general, since Ulquiorra states that Aizen doesn't know about it, which somewhat implies that Ulquiorra might be the only one who knows how to use it. So yeah, I'd keep certain techniques off each arrancar's ability list like those, but if you want to remove generic ones that an arrancar has not displayed, I wouldn't mind. Arrancar109 05:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Random Question
Sorry to bother you again. I just have a curiousity question.

Zanpakutō‎‎ (3 changes; hist). . (+1,167) . . [Twocents‎; Salubri‎ (2×)]

What does the +1,167 mean/indicate? Twocents 01:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

That makes a lot more sense than my first guess (which was that the Internet randomly decided that it liked you or didn't like you xDD). Thanks! Twocents 02:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Clean Up
I'm... not exactly sure what you're asking. Though, if anything, I wouldn't say their ranks are "Former 5th" or "Former 8th", since it's not guaranteed that Aizen will replace the Espada or not (to me, that's what saying that would indicate); and I'm sure I don't need to tell you to not write synopsis sections in past tense. As for some arrancar abilities, it all really depends on how much power of their's was displayed. To this day, Ulquiorra still hasn't demonstrated his full capacity of hand-to-hand combat, since he's only used the fighting method on opponents weaker than himself. Though, I get what you're saying though. At this point, some of the said deceased Espada's abilities will never be revealed at this point, so we should point something out regarding that. Arrancar109 17:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I saw it. It happens sometimes. Arrancar109 22:39, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Privaron Espada
Ok, my bad. My problem is that I've never read any of these profiles and don't know where to find them. It says on my user page that the only stuff I know about Bleach comes from the anime before episode 153. I was just misinformed. So are the profiles available on the internet or do I have to look in Shonen Jump or somewhere? And how do I know when something I'm reading is official or not? Darth Havoc 06:32, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Patrol
Seems that votes are clear : Almost 40 votes for "Enable it", None for "Don't", and one for "I don't care", so it seems pretty clear that I'm gonna request for it to be enabled, but here is a question : Should we make it sysop-only or allow the users to flag as patrolled ? I personally prefer to allow the user since, anyway, if a sysop is online, he'll just block the spammer and that would almost nullify the system's usefulness if we allow it only for sysops :/
 * I think you should read the lightblue link to the help wikia, near the poll :)

Think you didn't get what I meant, and in the same time you said things reminding me of it, personally, I think that this thing is actually pretty useful when the sysops are out, they just directly see the messages members have flagged/unflagged an can immediatly delete it, anyway, everyone has got its own opinion ;)

Lost in translation
Are certain elements of the story lost in the translation from Japanese to English? I don't speak Japanese, and I'm afraid that some of the information I get from the translated version of Belach - dubbed and subbed - might be wrong. For example, Yoshino Soma's page says that she was the only bount who could give birth (information that I'm sure was taken from the original Japanese). But when I watched the dubbed version of the episode where this information was given, the meaning that I got was that she was the only bount capable of acting motherly and treated Goethe like a son, which led him to obey her more readily than many other bounts' dolls. Which is more accurate? Darth Havoc 20:09, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Ulquiorra
Yeah, at this point, I'm in favor of blanking it for now like Wikipedia did (except leave Blum's Shattered Blade contribution up), since a lot of people have mixed views on who did Ulquiorra. I don't trust Anime News Network either, so we can't rely on them as a completely true source. Arrancar109 18:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Tolerance
I, think that i should remove Tolerance on the Tōshirō Hitsugaya page and place some of it's info in the personality section except I'm pretty sure that a lot of people would have problems with it, would this be one of those times that I have to post it up on a talk page or can I just do it?--SalmanH 06:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

hey
I's using the pattern used on the other espada's zanpakuto so don't undo it. If you undo it, it will be different from the others. That's why it's called pattern. --Agate genbu 14:44, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't take words as facts!
Halibel's words don't confirm her fraccions death since they don't resolve the conflict wheter Yamamoto brought himself to kill them or if Halibel is only thinking he did so.

Determination
Yeah, it is a personality trait, but I think it was listed as a power for Ichigo because sometimes his overall strength increases when he becomes determined about something. I'll admit though, since Ichigo can't control his spirit energy, my guess is that Ichigo is able to access more of his power if his determination increases, since he becomes more calm and focused. Arrancar109 22:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Awesome^_^
Cool thanks for the invite, I love Bleach alot!!! By the way Im use ta running and using a Wiki, Im the Sysop of one!!!!^_^lol UTC 02:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

No Prob^_^
No prob, Ill do the best I can, by the way if theres any another possesion ya can upgrade me ta just let me know, and Ill do the best I can ta help this wiki aswell!!!^_^UTC 02:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Lost in translation
I hate to bug you, but I left a question on your discussion page a while ago (eight up from this post, I think) and I never got an answer. Did you just miss it or should I ask someone else? Darth Havoc 22:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. And sorry about bugging you a second time. I just wanted to be sure. And I didn't know how much of the article I could trust; I've seen a few articles (I can't remember which) that didn't seem to have been checked very thoroughly. Someone who wrote the article may have gotten their information from an inacurately translated source as far as I know. Darth Havoc 01:40, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Navigation box
Hi. I'm working on another Wiki and I can't figure out how you make those navigation boxes at the bottom of some of the character profiles User:PhaethonZer0fNothing

Images
Which user would be good to talk to about uploading images? I know at least one article that is in need of an image, but I don't know how to do it. I left a post on the talk page, but no one responded. Darth Havoc 01:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Re:Shunko
While Soifon showed it to her, Yoruichi activated it herself and claimed that even she did not master it yet. Also that pictures only shows the activation not the technique itself and the consequense that blows away all the cloth from shoulders and back. --Gojita 17:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)Gojita

Gifts
Please dont add all those gifs, they are largely unnessesary, especially when just showing the zanpakuto, and also makes it difficult to view the sites when not using an extremly fast computer and/or internet connection. --Gojita 17:28, 18 May 2009 (UTC)Gojita

Re: Gifs
In response to what you said, yes, you're right. Some abilities are best demonstrated through gifs, not still pics. But I say mostly things like Rangiku's zanpakuto shikai, or Hitsugaya's zanpakuto shikai, given that their shikai abilities are... instantaneous (or something along those lines). However, some things should be left as stills. I'm not sure if you noticed, but I changed Rukia's shikai pic back into its original JPEG, because her blade usually retains it's shape once she uses shikai, so a GIF there wasn't necessary. However, I did leave the "Dance" stages of her shikai intact, since it shows their full effects. Arrancar109 17:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

On that note, can you upload a GIF of Sajin Komamura's shikai onto his page? While I don't like the newer pic that someone posted, the older pic is actually worse, and like Rangiku and Toshiro's shikais, Sajin's shikai is best demonstrated in a GIF. Arrancar109 17:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, a GIF might be better for Ruri'iro Kujaku, not Fuji Kujaku. Same goes for Urahara's Benihime (though, I admit that the JPEG on Urahara's page isn't that good of an example for his shikai's shape). Arrancar109 17:46, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Cuuhlhourne
Hey, why did You reverse my edit? By now it should be obvious that he is dead... I was hinted at least two times in the anime. Profile picture should be changed as well. Nekosama 07:24, 20 May 2009 (GMT)

Shunsui
Are you sure he does not fight in the presence of a child?

Oh..
Ok.Thank you.

gohanRULEZ 18:16, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Hyoten Hyakkaso
I think it's safe to assume that Hitsugaya can control weather with this power, like he did during the fight with Gin. How about we write it down in his Zanpakuto's ability list, but also say that "true meaning of this technique is unknown yet"? Because we don't know if this is a defensive power, offensive, or just support (I.E. he uses clouds to create bigger or stronger attacks). Abedeus 09:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Jushiro
Okay the picture you have up is in no way a tribute to Sogyo no Kotowari. It is blurry and hard to see. The picture I put up was better. If you dont like it then find a new one please. The one that was up before yours was better, too. He is one of my favorite characters and I just want to see him respected.

Well, what about the videos you have posted on other pages, one of those would be perfect. Either that or I could search on the website I first found my picture. Let me know.

Yachiru
It is already stated that the cat face is her spiritual pressure, It has nothing to do with her zanpakuto. Kylecharmed 23:45, 23 May 2009 (UTC)Kylecharmed

I know it well, seeing as how I frequently play the DS games. In Bleach Dark Souls, the character guide even states that this is spiritual energy. Please delete it. I dont want to mislead anybody here.

3rd Division
There are 3 characters from the 3rd Division that have only appeared once. They shouldnt have profiles, or we should at least combine them.

Thats my point, they should be deleted, as they serve no purpose. In fact, there are several articles that shouldnt be there like Orihime's bear. It just ruins the character page having them there. Thanks for the help.

Zanjutsu
Sulubri, I have noticed that you seem to disagree with my attempts to organize the Zanjutsu article. If you have a dispute with me over this said disputed, I request that you discuss what I can in order make my edits on the said article on my talkpage. User:Atrulean Starkiller May 26, 2009 (UTC)

Enryu
Sorry, I judge by appearances. Hey, do you have any sites I could find a picture of Enryu's tatami? The one I have right now doesnt reveal much.

Shinigami article
Why was my headline removed? Kaihedgie 06:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Harribel Tia?
Do you know anything about japanese culture? You say last name first (Tia) and first name last (Harribel). Why didn't you change Toshiro Hitsugaya when he said Hitsugaya Toshiro?
 * Arrancars have Spanish names. That's why Ulquiorra Cifer's name is Ulquiorra and last name is Cifer. Abedeus 20:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

No Problem
You can remove it. I could careless. Just trying to help describe her. But her Zanapakuto's name and beautiful pictures say enoughThunderwitch 23:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Why?
Salubri, why you canceled my hypothesis from the Talk Page of Stark?By the way, what do you think about it?--Hcaelb 02:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry.(Thank you for having moved my hypothesis)--Hcaelb 03:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

pseudo arrancar
i know that theres only a two known pseudo arrancar;grand fisher and the cloning arrancar,but would it be intresting to make a page of it?

hey
I would just like to ask s few personal questions if you don't mind. Are you an american and are you an admin here?--Agate genbu 16:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

err...ok...how does one become an admin?do you guys appoint someone?--Agate genbu 16:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC) oh ok...thanks...haha...--Agate genbu 04:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Arrancar
Thx... I didnt know that page even existed! The Great Lorde Uiruu or Talk to me BABY! 20:38, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Urahara
Well, watching the anime, he has used the "Blood Mist Shield" Twice, once against Ichigo and once versus Yammy. Both time, he didnt say a command. He also didnt say anything when using the crimson blast against Ichigo, but yelled "Now Scream, Benihime!" when using it against Yammy.

Urahara
Are you watching the Japanese Version, because that would explain our wires getting crossed. The dubbed episode (19 and 20) is when he fights Ichigo and episode (113 and 114) is when he fights Ulquiorra and Yammy.

Just watched the episode, but I will not argue at this given time. I have never read the Manga, but I see that it says "Yell." And I guess most people read and watch, so you can keep the command as Benihime's special ability.

--Kylecharmed 22:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Soifon's Bankai
Yeah, I noticed that too. I'd say talk to WhiteStrike about it too. I think he said he's in Japan, so he might be able to find RAWs better than either of us. I admit that I'm suspicious about Soifon's bankai not having "Suzumibachi" in it, but Tosen's bankai is commonly referred to as the "Enma Korogi" instead of "Suzumushi Tsuishiki Enma Kurogi", so it might be something like that. But yeah, double-checking with RAWs would be best. Arrancar109 00:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

It's really Suzumebachi Jakuho Raikoben :) here is the RAW

Hey, did you notice the very faint symbols on the right of the label of Soifon's bankai? I circled it for ya. Might be katakana for all I know, and it's kinda faint, but I think THAT says Jakuhou Raikouben. Which is why I had it in parentheses next to Suzumebachi Raikou Muchi when I made my initial edit. Reikson 05:49, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Try this link too. It'll help immensely with your Romajization efforts. It's from here that I got Suzumebachi Raikou Muchi.Reikson 19:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Re:pictures
I am verry well aware of that, but have you considered that sometimes such rule makes it difficult to see some of those images clearly. Then again, why do i even try talking to you? You usually ignor everyone and everything, other than the other admins, and enforces your own way no matter what unless Arrancar109 says something else.--Gojita 14:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)Gojita
 * Ehh... if it does not affect you then why do you respond to that part? Second of all, i did not add that picture, look at the page history and upload log. All i wanted to do was make the image more clear. --Gojita 14:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)Gojita

Re: Height
Well, I'm not arguing with that, but rather the height conversions. If it says 202 cm, then it is 6'7-1/2", and I thought that the character book measures character heights in cm, not the "foot-inch" measurement (I assumed we've always had both systems for people unfamiliar with the other), hence the reason why I changed it back to 6'7-1/2". Arrancar109 15:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

With the Zaraki situation, I'd say it's probably better to go for the Japanese version, since some translations/conversions aren't intact. I admit that I'm not positive about this when it comes to the measurements, but I think it's best to use the original Japanese measurements and convert them from there.

As for the Soifon thing... yeah, I noticed, but we should probably go for a temporary solution until someone who can accurately translate kanji to tell us what her bankai is called. Until then, I'm not sure which to go with. It also might be revealed in chapter 361, so we may not have to necessarily wait that long. Arrancar109 15:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Bleach 360 translation If you scroll down to #14, it has the correct romanization and translation.  As far as I know, cnet has been at this for quite awhile.  Big red01027 16:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

This is going to sound a bit weird, but where did you get the Character Book anyway? Did you get it from a site, or do you have an actual copy? I'm asking because I want it as reference material as well and I have no access to it as of yet. Arrancar109 16:50, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Article
I wouldn't really worry about it. They are semi-essential, even if it is for small, filler arcs (although, I admit that the female arrancar didn't really do much in comparison to the cloning arrancar). But yeah, some articles need some attention. I think it'd be best to talk it over with WhiteStrike about the Bankai User article though. I immediately had a problem with it (I knew it was there, but sorta forgot about it), but apparently, nobody saw a reason to take it down. Now, if you want truly pointless Arrancar articles, you should see Old Arrancar and Unnamed Arrancar. Arrancar109 01:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Late Reply
Hey sorry I didn't reply to you sooner but I was out for almost 2 weeks and had not had a chance to log in since. From what I seen the soifon question you had has been answer if not let me know an I'll look in to it, an as far as the female arrancar article and the cloning arrancar article they are fine as they are good stand alone articles but those like the old arrancar and unnamed arrancar they are mearly background characters that only appeared once in one frame shot they can't even contribute to anything at all, and the Banai User i been trying to get rid of that one for along time but certain users (mainly the one that created the article) seem to think that is a fine article if you and Arrancar109 are for it i say those 3 Old Arrancar, Unnamed Arrancar and Bankai User should be deleated. WhiteStrike 10:38, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Images
Usually I don't have anything to talk about with images, but after speaking with Kylecharmed this morning, I began thinking about this. What is our policy regarding images from magazine articles? I ask this because I want to put up an official art pic of Arturo Plateado on his article as his profile pic, instead of the 3D Renders, but there are no known good quality artwork images of him anywhere, other than the magazine scan I found. And it has some writing over the left side of his torso and the right side of his waist, in case you're wondering what the image looks like. Arrancar109 23:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Guidelines
That actually sounds good, but I'm not sure how to get them up. That's probably something Mili-Cien would know, since Mili also wrote the Spoiler Policy. However, I'd think we all would have to discuss it with the other active mods/admins as well as to which guidelines get set up, so we don't try doing something that one of us doesn't agree with. Arrancar109 01:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree in fact that is something i had been thinking of doing for a while especially the size of pics at 190px. the page to do it in would be Bleach Wiki:About since that's is purpose an most wiki's use it for such. I don't think we need Mili-cien for that and if you and Arracar109 leave me the notes of what you think should be there I'll be glad to write it in a nice an comprehensive way. Also seeing as how neither Mili-cien nor TheUltimate3 are around I think that one of the three of us should be nade a bearucrat just a though. WhiteStrike 12:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I haven't come up with any yet, but I'll keep thinking on it. Arrancar109 05:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. Yeah, I gotta learn to source better, but I keep forgetting the process for writing the sources without screwing up the article.

Anyway, I did come up with a guideline, but I'm not sure how much it would matter.


 * If uploading an image from the Anime, try not to remove the manga version if possible.

Like I said, not sure how much it would matter, but I think it's good to have both the manga and anime versions of certain pics, since there are some differences (Chimera Parca and Harribel's jacket for example; speaking of which someone should probably make a comparison pic for her Appearance section).

Also,


 * Do not upload a duplicate image. They will be deleted for housekeeping purposes.

Basically, a duplicate image is when 2 of the same image exists. If the image is in the same format, the wiki's system will let us know of there are duplicate versions of an image available. If the format is different, however (.png and .jpg, for example), then that requires a bit more manual searching. They are harder to find, but I have found some before. What do you think? Arrancar109 23:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Why?
Why doesn't that part of the triva belong there?Saimaroimaru 05:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I see, I understand now.Saimaroimaru 05:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Tosen
Actually, I think it's pretty solid evidence. During Tosen's flashback in the manga, it does show him actively grabbing his friend's zanpakuto. Arrancar109 06:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Then i suggest another writting i think should be able to satisfy all. --Gojita 07:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)Gojita

Kenpachi
The relevant scans for my argument are these, and. We see that Kenpachi took the name by himself, which is the "the title given to the strongest shinigami in every generation" and continued using it even before reaching his captain seat. However, in none of those chapters they mention that all of the previous 11th division captains were "Kenpachi" as well, with Love only saying that "The 11th squad captain has always taken the role of Kenpachi", i.e. that all of them were the most violent among the captains and established killers, but if they used "Kenpachi" as their title remains unspecified. Interestingly, in the Bount filler Maki Ichinose seems to imply that the previous captain was somewhat different and a "person [that] looked towards the future" which would contradict this statement to a certain extent since Kenpachi lives only to fight. The Seaweed Ambassador 22:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Heres the problem, thats the anime, anime is not canon.Its has already been said that those who are captain of 11th divsion take the name of Kenpaichi.Saimaroimaru 22:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Care to discuss Kurosaki's inclusion somewhere in the Gotei 13 page? The Seaweed Ambassador 22:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to ask you something.
What is the problem with writing "boobs" instead of breasts? I'd like to know because it doesent make sense to me, it makes it sound more interesting with "boobs" and "tits", breasts is just to formal and boring.

The point of this wiki is not to attract guys who have their heads in the clouds.When writing something you are formal, dosen't amtter if its boring, remember kids come here too. I would be mad as a parent if my kid came to me after looking on here and asking "what are tits/boobs?" This is a site for information not a place to get "turned on" by drawings and words.Saimaroimaru 05:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Well... ok then
I understand, and sorry I didnt know this has been talked about before, I respect the site and the members so I'll refrain from making any edits like that, I dont wanna be banned or anything.Boogerbaloozoo 03:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Captain
How Can I gain Captain status here on The Bleach Wiki, I can help alot and I know alot about Bleach, test me if ya want, what do ya say!!!^_^ Falzar300 (Talk) 09:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC)>

Mess
That was a fast one. Thank you very much. Dinadan256 18:42, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Everyone???
When ya say everyone, who do ya mean, can ya please give me a list of the users I need ta ask and what should I tell them please, oh and Im on everyday, just check the Haruhi Wiki, oh if this helps Im the sysop there!!!^_^ Falzar300 (Talk) 21:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)>

Thanks!!!
Thanks alot, oh and do you approve of me for Captain!!!^_^ Falzar300 (Talk) 22:05, 13 June 2009 (UTC)>

Deletion
Why did you just erase the Kurosaki Isshin talk page?--SalmanH 16:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry
I'm sorry that was my fault i haven't really searched wiki's enough to know that there were forums like that. Just in case i make any more mistakes like that just let me know so that i can correct it.--SalmanH 16:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Messages
Whoa, I have got to say it is really impressive how you pick up on this sort of thing so quickly and thanks for letting me know.--SalmanH 18:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Character Books
For awhile now, I've suspected that the Viz-translated character books were wrong on their statistics, but I didn't want to say anything until I had proof. It took me awhile, but I did find the original Japanese character books. I'm thinking about changing the stats back accordingly. Here's the link: http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=258943

I'm going to go ahead and change the statistics accordingly, including the conversions. Arrancar109 20:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Edits
ok...--Agate genbu 06:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the edits i did to some of the articles but i only change the translation form maximum7 so i didn't see why they have to be changed.

Re: Guidelines
Yeah, I wanted to see if I can think of more. Though, you can tell WhiteStrike the ones we've agreed to so far. I still think we may need more though. Arrancar109 20:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Cool you guys have some real good things for me to start with. I have a couple of things I want to add myself and when I have a rough draft of how the guideline will appear, I'll let you guys take a look at the page so I can get your input on it. If iether of you come up with anything else let me know. WhiteStrike 23:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Check out the Bleach Wiki:About page this is what I got so far let me know if there is anything else you want to add. Is not finish but I went ahead an put what I had in so you guys didn't think I forgot. WhiteStrike 08:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Shikai, Bankai and Resurreccíon
I'm thinking that we change the pictures of the releases with videos like what you did on Tōsen and Hitsugaya's page. This way, it will showcase the great animation of their releseas. And, there are already a number of articles which sport release videos. What do you think?--Agate genbu 07:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, that depends on what's being showcased. Most of the releases that are in animated GIF format are mostly instantaneous techniques like Shinso's shikai attack, or Sode no Shirayuki's Dance abilities. Not all shikai/bankai are strictly instantaneous. Arrancar109 08:06, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

But if we can show how they are released, then that would be nice. As you guys know, there are detailed explanations on how their zanpakutōs are released. I just want the readers to have an incorporation of whatever they are reading and actually see it. It doesn't matter if their release are just merely releases and not in conjunction with their techniques. What do you think?--Agate genbu 01:24, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Explanation on Kyouraku edits
Here's my explanation: I'm right, and here's why.

cnet128 Bleach 362 Trans.

There's a link to a very competent translator's version of Bleach 362. As you'll see, he has Kyouraku's techniques listed as I edited them to be. He's my source for this particular issue.

Bleach 362 RAW, page 8 Bleach 362 RAW, page 9

There are the links to the RAW manga. As you can see, the furigana for each technique indicate that the kanji are to be read "bushougoma" and "takaoni".

The one thing I'm not certain about is the meaning of the first kanji in Takaoni. The kanji itself means "steep or high mountain". Kanji details There's a link detailing the "normal" readings for that kanji and its meaning.

So what I'm not sure about is how the reading of "taka" modifies that kanji. I think it does, but I'm not knowledgeable enough about Japanese to understand it, and my translator source has indicated that his view of it is correct. Basically, I'm just going with what the translator has for it, because I don't know enough to say if it should be something else.

I'd like to know who these other people are who claim that my "interpretation" is incorrect. And I would like to know what sources they would cite to prove their point. Also, if the scans are saying that Kyouraku's first technique is "bushou koma", they're clearly misreading the furigana for the third kanji in the technique, because the markings are there that make it "go" and not "ko". Kubo himself assigns readings to the kanji based on what he wants them to say, so it's not like I'm quarreling with what the man wrote. I'm quarreling with people who think they know what they're doing, and have consistently proven that they don't (e.g. Soifon's bankai...I was right about that, and I'm right about this). Big red01027 17:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

You made a small error :)
You changed the edit i did on the Royale guards page. There is no evidence that Aizen used his Zanpakuto (that can't talk) when he asks Kyoraku about Squad 0 I do not want to be rude and change it again i want you to see the mistake you made and see that i am right. Please =) Also i don't know if it was you or not but, can you tell / show me evidence that Kenpachi dosen't like Chojiro please.

Please if you want to talk to me again please e-mail me at Multi-color-boxers@live.co.uk and not on here if you please =)!

User
Sorry about that you're right I shouldn't have done what I did but instead waited, thanks and hopefully it won't happen again.--SalmanH 03:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I looked back at Voltarmeunt's talk page a couple of days ago and he did actually respond, with this XD. Just in case you wanted to know what he thought about this whole thing.--SalmanH 09:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Arrancar Saga
Should we be changing the heading of Starrk and Shunsui's article to Shunsui and Ukitake vs Starrk?--Agate genbu 15:14, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh ok...I just think that we should give Ukitake some credits...haha...anyway, there's still Wonderweiss so I think we really have to wait for at least a few more chapters...--Agate genbu 15:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Am I...?
Am I still in trouble for the edits I made to Isane's page? I'm not sure, because you haven't responded to my revert of your edit... or to my reply on my talk page... if you have yet to see my reasoning, I'll post it here too:

The only reason I removed it is because, in the space of two paragraphs, the same things are talked about, but with different words. I'll demonstrate:

"She started eating porridge when she passed 170 cm in her growth, because she did not want to get any taller (she believes - wrongly - that the nutrient level of porridge is very low). Unfortunately for her, she did not stop until reaching 187 cm, her height being another source of frustration for her."

Then, in the paragraph below it:

"She likes rice gruel. If she could have rice gruel for every meal of the day, she'd be happy. When her height first surpassed 170cm, she thought, "I don't want to get any taller than this!" and so she started to eat rice gruel because it has no nutrients. Her present height is 187cm."

^ That's the only reason I removed it. Igaram 15:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Battles
I've seen on onepiece.wikia that every character has a "major battles section" i tough it would be realy cool to do the same on bleach.wikia for example: at nnoitra

major battles

Nnoitra vs Yasutora Sado Nnoitra vs Ichigo Kurosaki Nnoitra vs Neliel Tu Oderschvank Nnoitra vs Zaraki Kenpachi

just tell me what you think and leave a response at my profile ^^

how boring not to do it...

Make a page
How do i make a page? its not for this wiki its for the ultimo one.CrackLawliet 14:48, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

bureaucrat
I've been wondering about this for a long time now and what exactly does a bureaucrat do and how does a user become one, for the record i don't want to become one I'm just curious and one of the other reasons why I'm asking is because it seems to be a pretty unique position and I haven't read about any user in a few other wikis that is one.--SalmanH 17:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Aizen
Yeah, that's true. Aizen was never shown and has never openly declared himself to have reached the limit of every shinigami combat form, nor is anything said about him being a hand-to-hand combatant. We should probably keep him ranked as a Flash Step and Kido Master though, since his speed rating is the same as Byakuya's (who he himself is rated as a master), and his Kido rating is 100/100, as well as the fact that he has used some spells that has surprised those around him. But yeah, we should definitely remove anything that says "Aizen has reached his limit in this field" or something along those lines. I say go for it. Arrancar109 01:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo Resurreccion?
After much thought, I believe that, indeed, it was hasty to consider Ichigo's form in which he defeated Ulquiorra to be Resurreccion.

I have to make a few comments about assumptions and speculation. We cannot take information provided by characters to be truth because they may be ill informed.

Ichigo is not a Vizard (or rather, not just a Vizard). The Vizard are Shinigami who possess hollow powers. Do note that all Vizard were made so by Aizen's hollowfication experiement whilst Ichigo was never transformed into a hollow by such means. Ichigo was in the process of becoming a Hollow when he simultaneously transformed into Shinigami.

To make it simple and clear,

Ichigo = Shinigami Ichigo + Hollow Ichigo

Shinigami Ichigo can use Shinigami abilities and can harness Hollow powers as a Vizard.

Hollow Ichigo does not have a Zanpaktou as we saw in his training with the Vizards. After leaving the form that defeated Ulquiorra, Shinigami Ichigo had no recollection of what happened, proving that it was all of Hollow Ichigo's doing at that point in time.

The form that defeated Ulquiorra used Zangetsu - the sealed form of Hollow Ichigo (Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo are one and the same). Therefore, that form is an Arrancar by definition. Further proof: he used sonido.

We would think that Arrancars were transformed (naturally occuring or shinigamified) hollows that consumed so many others that they became Gillian, Adjuchas or Vasto Lordes. In essence, that only describes the spiritual power they possess (which they accumulate by consuming) which is required for the transformation (possibly similar to the transformation of the Vizards, where ordinary souls were incapable of being hollowfied). Ichigo as we know, already possess a grand amount of Spiritual power. As such, it is possible for Hollow Ichigo to be Arrancar (naturally occurring?) without being a Menos class hollow.

Cepheids 04:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your swift and comprehensive reply. I must say I am not entirely convinced how certain information is treated as fact while others speculation. However, I will resume discussions/speculations in the proper place.

Cepheids 06:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Cussing?
I'm sure everyone here is aware that Bleach does in fact have cussing in it. Are we not allowed to cuss here on bleach.wikia? I tried looking for an answer on the site but couldn't find one. Thanks for any help! Aishiteru Iloveyou 19:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Ohh. That makes sense. Thanks for that! The reason I put that quote on there is because it's very rare to hear Ulquiorra cussing. If I'm not mistaken, that's the only time I can think of that he cusses. But alright! Thank you! Aishiteru Iloveyou 20:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Hollow ichigo and zangetsu
Alright thanks for the help, you are right though when you said it was fan fiction. Besides it's no big deal if they get around to explaining it fully in the manga or anime then we'll know everything we need.--SalmanH 09:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I see but
Then we need to remove the Kamen Rider reference from Mashiro Kuna's page.Saimaroimaru 18:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Yamamoto's attack on Allon
The translation for it in the Dattebayo sub is "you child". The sub appears at the exact moment that he says Gohappa. Yamamoto does not say a technique name at this point in the manga (see links below for comparison) and I don't think the anime would just make up something like that.

Saying Gohappa at the same moment he drew his sword could be mistaken like that if you missed the subtitle (I'm guessing that's what happened), but I think the sub is quite clear there.

Sleepyfans translation:  

Maximum 7:  

Ju-Ni:  

Re: Status
That's fine. I only settled for "Defeated Kyoraku" due to the fact that I couldn't think of something better at the time. Though, I noticed it was something different before I undid the edit (I did not use the Rollback feature); I don't think it's necessary to have a column on the Espada chart that lists specialties, since some of these "specialties" are self-proclaimed. Arrancar109 03:17, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Pure blooded shinigami?
I'd like to ask, why is it in Ichigo's shinigami status he was described as Pure blood shinigami when he is only half a shinigami as his father was/is a shinigami and his mother was human since ichigo said that she couldn't see hollows and even if she actually was a shinigami ichigo would then be a pure blood so i think that it would be best to label him as a hybrid shinigami and i've kind of already rewritten it and explained since no one really payed attention to it except for Kylecharmed and in my opinion my explanation of it isn't that good since all I had to go on was Gohan of DBZ's abilities and potential as a half saiyan/hybrid so I was hoping that you would take a look at it.--SalmanH 20:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Good point but that's not exactly what I'm pointing out, since even though his mother isn't actually part of this whole thing it doesn't help that Ichigo is a living human who like you said before has access to shinigami and vizard abilities where his actual body acts sort of like a gigai even though it isn't at all, this is kind of what I was referring to that he is 100% human but also has formerly latent spiritual energy and possibly still latent unlike anybody else except for his sisters and as for people such as Byakuya that different since his parents were souls and even if they weren't shinigami themselves they possibly had the potential to become ones like his grandfather and it does help that they are from a Noble family whose members most likely have pretty High spiritual pressure since Byakuya himself said that but I really don't want to get into a discussion about that since it'll be annoying and end up giving both of us headaches, so do you think that I should put it in the trivia section?--SalmanH 09:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Admin Permission
May I please be granted Sysop in this wiki because,I absolutely love Bleach and would be a valuable asset to this wiki by making sure that everything is in order and that there is no vandalism on this wiki (I really HATE vandalism) and would keep it off this wiki? Arigato Goziamasu Crimsonterminator1000 02:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

help with my talk n stuff
I was wondering could you help me wit my talk n stuff like it--Jwill35 03:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Apology
I am really sorry about that, I admit that I was way out of line with that remark honestly I meant no harm by it. To comment like that about someone I don't even know was quite foolish on my part and I'm not sure what I was thinking at the time, hopefully you'll forgive me for that however I refuse to beg for you to forgive me for it, you can ban or block me I don't care to tell you the truth, I started this and I'll take whatever I have coming.--SalmanH 14:54, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Kisuke's powers
Why do you keep changing the Kisuke Urahara powers thing? Other characters like Ichigo and Stark have little intros, summarizing thier strength before it goes into detail.--Black Artist 00:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Superchunky?
Yeah, I just logged on and skimmed through the updates real quick, and I found that someone or some group of people named the giant Hollow that appeared recently "Superchunky". Exactly where did this discussion happen, and did you or WhiteStrike agree to it at all, or did those members just assumed it was okay anyway?. Arrancar109 01:27, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Kenpachi's page
Ah. That's a shame. I didn't get your message until I already spent a few minutes posting a good bit on his talk page...

Changing of my edit about Jushiro seeing WW on Ukitake's and Shunsui's page.
Did you read or see that chapter? Because if you did you couldn't have missed this page. Jushiro was clearly looking at him atm. The way you worded it makes it seem as if Wonderwice snuck up on Jushiro and attacked him when he clearly didn't. MVPVasto 21:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

It is pretty obvious what Kubo was implying during those panels. (WW looked at Jushiro goofy, and Jushiro did the same to him.) Jushiro already showed his WTF expression concerning that unnamed monster, so your saying now he has a goofy expression. Kubo really thought that people would be smart enough to decipher what was going on, but if you can't comprehend those panels don't hold other people back from the truth. Implication on that page is as clear as day.

And your right about me claiming it was sonido, his base speed might just be that fast.

No that's not my argument at all. I have no argument because interpreting what was happening in those panels is pretty easy to do. Seriously who else would Jushiro give that goofy ass expression? He already showed his serious concern regarding that unnamed monster. Jushiro definitely wouldn't just be making that expression randomly. But he would defenitely do it for the one who was looking directly at him and making the same goofy ass face. MVPVasto 02:21, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Bypassing Redirects
Just to clarify things, I'm not claiming that bypassing redirects is a Wikia Rule; It was Staff Editor Daniel Friesen, a.k.a. Dantman who said it. But I now understand that this is an entirely different Wikia. So out of respect, I will keep in mind what you said and try to better abide by this Wikia's own rules. Thank you for your understanding.--Ethelion 14:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Hollofication
For now the reason it doesn't make to much sense is becuase we just found out about their powers and they haven shown even the tip of what they are capable of. I say for now we can leave it there and see what else they got if anything we can always incorate it to the power and abilities.WhiteStrike 17:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Power & Abilities
Also On Power & Abilities i been meaning to ask both you and Arrancar109 about maybe removing the Master/Expert/Expecialist etc. part of their power and abilities and just simply leaving swordmanship Kidō and the others with out any sort of classifcation since it seems highly speculative. let me know what's your take on this. I asked Arrancar109 as well to see what he thinks. WhiteStrike 17:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well we have seen some use their power but not all those who have a tag reflect their skills. Take Yoruichi she is a swordmanship expert but we havent seen her fight anyone with a sword and Ukitake is a master when the only time we seen him cross swords is in his academy days and this is what it says in his article "While hating the concept of having to engage in a fight, Ukitake is presumably one of the most proficient swordsmen in all of the Soul Society, as demonstrated from his ability to hold his own against Yamamoto. The precise timing needed to properly use his sword and its strange shape, speak volumes of his adept skill at this practice". Key word in there presumably. The reason this two are rank so high is because they are Captain was for yoruichi and not becuase of what they have shown in actual combat. This is what brings my point in highly speculative. Also what one person may consider to be especialist level, expert level, or master level varies with each person. WhiteStrike 17:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I think you may have confused some of what I said. I'm not saying we should take the info just the titles and then explain their skills in it like the article is but with out the label. Is not hard to describe someone level of skill with out given them a title. WhiteStrike 18:14, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Current events
Where do we put the vizards' arrival? In the battle of the karakura? Or do we put a new section for it?--Agate genbu 03:26, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Tenshintai
Sorry if I jumped the gun by removing this from Urahara's page. I figured it could be retrieved from the page history and relocated but I wasn't sure where to put it. I'll tread a bit more lightly next time Daisekihan 17:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Editing Sajin Komamura's Page
Are you a staff editor of this Wikia? Because if you are, you should at least look over my version of references on the Sajin Komamura Page because its previous references are outdated (Have you even looked at it? Because, I feel that I have the right to claim this statement on account that I checked and double-checked the previous references' false information, looked up on almost every chapter the references cited, and hopefully improved the citations, i.e. Komamura answers Hisagi's question after the conspiracy in Soul Society in Chapter 180, page 13, NOT pages 14-15 - if you still think I'm wrong, please prove it by checking both mine and your citations). It's completely unfair for you to simply just ignore my contributions when I worked hard on trying to improve the webpage. In addition, at least give a compromise on what to change and on what not to change; I mean, I understand that some of my grammar corrections may be wrong, but I also noticed that some of its previous grammar usage are also wrong. There should be a give-and-take situation, not only in this page, but also in the rest of the pages here in Bleach Wikia. But don't get me wrong here, I'm not holding anything against you; I'm merely stating the injustice done to me. Please hear out my plea and hopefully we could work things out better in the future. Thank you for your kind understanding.--Ethelion 01:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Edits
Okay, I understand. But in my defense, please, please understand that I didn't intend to completely change the webpage (you might have noticed that I retained some of the information needed and didn't entirely alter the whole webpage) and I sincerely didn't mean to disrespect any other editor who contributed to it. But through the course of this issue, I'm glad you still added some of of my work and listened to reason. Out of respect, I have now read the rules of this Wiki and will better abide them by being a little more open to other's ideas next time. Now I know that we didn't start off in the right foot and I should have read the rules first before rashly doing any changes, so I'm truly sorry for our differences in the past, but I'm willing to be the bigger man by asking for your forgiveness first. I'm also glad that that there isn't much of a bad blood between us and I'm hopeful we could help each other out in further improving this Wiki. I would really appreciate if you would reply back to makes sure we're cool. Once again, thanks for understanding.--Ethelion 02:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I see. Well, it's been a pleasure being here and I'm hoping for the success of this Wiki.:)--Ethelion 02:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Guidelines
Well I'm pretty much done with the Bleach Wiki:About page can't think of anything more to add so I'll have you and Arrancar109 give it one last look over and let me know what you think after that I'll put a link to it in both the main page and the header. WhiteStrike 01:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

lieutenants or vice-captains
I noticed under gotei 13 the second in command of the divisions are titled lieutenants and not vice-captains, was just wondering how come.Shinji hirako 14:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for Any Inconveniences
Hey, Salubri. Sorry about my suicidal depression the other day -- Those things happen sometimes. Anyways, I'll try to be more careful about my editing -- Sometimes I find it hard to distinguish between important facts and unimportant. *Shrug* Anyways, have a pleasant day -- I'll try to look to you for examples of good behavior, m'kay?

Mirror-Flower Water-Moon
I've been wondering about something for quite a long time now...When Aizen originally showed his zanpakuto's classification, he described it as a 'flowing water-type' that used mist to confuse enemies into fighting eachother; with the revelation of its powers of Total Hypnosis, most of everyone decided that he had lied.

But what if he wasn't lying completely? It's been said that as soon as someone witnesses the release of Kyoka Suigetsu, they fall into Total Hypnosis, unless they didn't actually see it (In the case of Tosen). But I think there's more to it than that -- I think his zanpakuto's powers really are based on the water-element. I think that, and this is purely my educated opinion, when he releases his zanpakuto, it surrounds witnesses to the release in a special illusory mist -- As long as they are surrounded by that mist, Aizen has near-complete control of their senses, unless he releases them himself.

One of my main points of interest for this theory is the 'clones' Aizen creates -- When he dismisses them, they've been shown to dissolve into some kind of glimmering blueness. I think that that is the 'illusory mist' I'm talking about. Plus, Aizen tends to set the bar a bit higher than outright lies, in a manner similar to Gin -- He mixes enough truth into his deceptions that no one can be sure what the truth is and what's artificial when they are dealing with him. Plus, if it turns out that he was telling the truth when he described Kyoka Suigetsu as a flowing water-type, but severely understated the exact scope of its power, then I think that that would be a very interesting twist, because it would throw the things we think we know about Aizen even further askew.

Am I making any good points at all, or am I just babbling incoherently again?

Komamura's Saijin.jpg Image
Ho-okay... we're really not meant to see eye to eye here. I specifically left a message in Section 5 of Komamura's Discussion Page if anyone wishes to object in my suggestion re: Komamura's Main Image (PLEASE refer to Section 5 of Komamura's Discussion Page).. Since nobody answered, I EVEN specifically wrote a follow-up to my suggestion in the form of Section 6 of the discussion page (PLEASE refer to Section 6 of Komamura's Discussion Page). Again, nobody objected, NOT EVEN YOU, so I finally pushed through with my idea to revert Komamura's Main Image back to its original image (Saijin.jpg). Then Gold3263301 decided to change the main image WITHOUT even giving an explanation OR leaving a feedback to my message/s, prompting me to change it back. And here you are, reverting my edit back to his. Your move REALLY made me feel insulted; You could have at least replied back to my messages on why you didn't think my idea is good. I've tried to abide by the rules here and tried to compromise with some edits by not completely changing them, so what's the deal here, Salubri? What did I do wrong NOW with the main image? Do you hate me? WhiteStrike, your co-staff editor, said it's okay to change main images since there's no rule against it (that's right, this time, I'm not "claiming" it to be "a rule/not a rule"). Please, I need an explanation.--Ethelion 09:53, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for taking time to review this. I will change it back, and to prove that there's no hard feelings, I will acknowledge you approval in the edit summary.--Ethelion 15:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Image request
Hi, this is just a question, but aren't there any images of him with a bright coulored background like the one that used to be in the Toushiro page, since those seemed pretty good and the previous Sajin image about him in the current arc seemed better than this no offense if this was your idea or anyone elses, but why the change?--SalmanH 16:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This has already been talked about. For now, it's been agreed to return Komamura's main image back to the current arc (coincidentally to your liking) until further notice. This image has been agreed that it still needs some work and is only temporary; Hopefully, it will be changed into a better (and yet still recent) image.--Ethelion 16:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Komamura's Main Image Part II
Hey Salubri. If you don't mind, I'd like to let you in on Komamura's main image again. Since it has been an issue in the past few days, I made an effort to try an get a new, and perhaps a better result of the picture, so here it is. I already showed this to Arrancar109 and he said it's alright as it possesses both our points: his point, which shows the character facing in front of the screen, and my point, which illustrates that the character still has a close-up on his face. Plus, it's an updated screenshot of the Fake Karakura Town Arc. I figured, if I put it up now, you might revert it back to the last edit, so I decided to ask for your permission first. So, what do you think? Is it okay to put it up as the main image?--Ethelion 21:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for your time.--Ethelion 00:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Zanpakutō arc
As you know the new Zanpakuto arc has started and the info is already making is way into the main articles. Since in this arc the Zanpakuto themselves are the antagonist the best way to orgainze this info is to give them their own pages. As we seen Renji and Hitsugaya both have already shown their spirits materialized, and in the episode the have a compltely diferrent look so is to say that they are different. For now labeling the pages such us Sode no Shirayuki (spirit), Kazeshini (spirit), Haineko (spirit) and so on and so forth. This is the easiest way to mantian the articles in the order that they are right now, in order words we can think of them as Hollow Ichigo a completly different form of the original Zanpakuto (Hollow Ichigo has claimed to be Zangetsu). Let me know what you think but any way you look at it this is most definetly the best course of action. WhiteStrike 17:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I actually agree with that as well, since I did notice Hyorinmaru's human appearance contradicts his earlier manga and movie appearance. It probably is best that we label the zanpakuto spirits as WhiteStrike suggested. Arrancar109 17:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * In regards to Zangetsu, Zabimaru and Hyorinmaru orignal spirits they stay on the page as they act as one zabimaru tells renji that he is ready to fight zangetsu again and Renji tells him that he is not the enemy anymore and Zabimaru understands they are connected on a sense that they are one, not that they are different which is why I pointed out Hollow Ichigo. Just like Hollow Ichigo the spirits that are showing up have a sense of independence act on their own accord (yeah they are probably under control of of maramuse or whatever his name is). I doubt that the spirtis have and animal form and a human form otherwise we would have seen Zangetsu's animal form by now. All in all is we should treat them as separate characters while the 3 original ones leave them in where they are and not mix the two. Taking from your one words "The manga take precedence over all and Tite Kubo's word is law" so until 1) something in the manga takes place in this kind of scenario, 2) we see that Zanpakuto's actually have more than one form from their spirits, or 3) we see more zanpakuto spirtis and the look like the guys we are seeing right now then the smart choice is to keep them separete. WhiteStrike 19:04, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok I kind of see where you're getting at but yes they will be link to the article they are the Zanpakuto so the reference note will be placed in the article but they will have interactions from other characters, synopsis that does not include the wielder which is where i'm going. To write a synopsis to them while keeping them in the owners article would make the article unneceseraly long and kind of slopy if we have two synopsis tags in one article. That's mostly the main reason to separete them, and I alwas intended to have them be linked. WhiteStrike 19:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)