User talk:Timjer

Welcome
Welcome to Bleach Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Ichika Abarai page, and thanks for joining our community! There's a lot to do around here, so I hope you'll stay with us and make many more improvements.


 * Recent changes is a great first stop, because you can see what pages other people have been editing, and where you can help.


 * Questions? You can ask on the "discussion" page associated with each article, or post a message on my talk page!


 * Need help? You can find it right here! You can also find a full list of help pages here.


 * Don't know what to do? The Community Portal has an outline of the site, and has links to pages to get you started! Also check out THIS BLOG for helpful information to help you understand the wiki and where you can start if you are interested in contributing here.


 * Here are some more pages you might find useful:


 * Policy - follow this to ensure harmony on the wiki
 * Manual of Style - a guide to how articles here are organized and written
 * Spoiler Policy - follow this to not ruin upcoming stories for those yet to read or watch the new chapter or episode


 * Sign your name in discussions by typing ~ , which automatically adds your signature and the date, so we know who's talking!

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! (This is an automated message generated after your first edit here.) Yyp (talk) 10:11, August 26, 2016 (UTC)

Lille's power
Ey, thanks for adding Lille's spiritual power to his page with references and everything. Can't believe we overlooked that for so long.--Xilinoc (talk) 22:48, July 19, 2018 (UTC)


 * By all means, though I imagine it will be trickier since almost all of his combat feats come once he's empowered by The Miracle.--Xilinoc (talk) 15:32, July 20, 2018 (UTC)


 * Just looked it over and, aside from some minor grammar tweaks, it looks great! Thanks again for the work.--Xilinoc (talk) 15:43, July 20, 2018 (UTC)

Roleplay
Hi. Do you want to roleplay Bleach with me? BrittalCroftFan (talk) 10:28, July 21, 2018 (UTC)User:BrittalCroftFan

RE: Royal Guard Discussion
Hey there. I closed the discussion because it had become clear that it was more of a discussion in regards to if he retconned and if he did not. Its possible that he did, I do not claim to know. But Talk pages are there for improvement of a page and without a point of reference to the topic then it becomes speculation which is not something that should occur on a Talk page which is there for provable and such discussions. In regards to being unreferenced, the information regarding the Royal Family is referenced as Chapter 223 Rangiku states that there is a Royal Family, Yamamoto agrees with her before continuing about their role. He then states that Aizen's goal is to slay the Soul King, just he king doesn't say that he intends to kill the rest of the Family. Sure there was nothing in the Final arc but Yhwach also called the Soul King Father without any real explanation. If its a proper discussion with relevant facts and reference points to consider then sure belongs on the Talk Page but it didn't contain such, it contained opinions on if it was retconned based on not seeing them. That belongs in the Forums. I don't care if he did retcon it and I don't care, holes are in stories all the time. Good day!!

RE: Novels
We do not ignore the existence of the novels, otherwise there wouldn't be articles for them allowed on our Wiki but there are. I have in the past discussions stated that I wouldn't mind main canon articles having separated Tabs for the Novels but this was disagreed with. I'm fine with that. I am just enforcing policies as this site has been agreed upon. But I can see the point that was made. Everyone moaning about the Novels hasn't even taken the time to fill out the relevant articles and are just whining about adding the information to canon articles where, in my opinion and others who maintain the wiki, the information does not belong. I have no interest in reading summarised translations. I am never going to read something I will not enjoy because people on the internet demand it.

Re:Request for self-ban
Timjer, might I suggest that if you are frustrated with today's discussion with SunXia that you simply take a short break instead? I see from the timestamp that your request came shortly after that discussion and I think maybe with a bit of time you will not feel so strongly about it. Only you could determine how long that would be, I would not block you for that and I don't want it in the logs that you were blocked, as anyone can see that and it might have unintended consequences if somebody did see it and thought you did something.

Regarding that discussion, Sun does set out to be harsh on you and certainly did not mean to leave you feeling down about anything if that is how it has affected you. It is just to let you know where and how things should be done so you can improve - we were all given plenty of criticism about the quality of our work over the years, including myself, it is not anything personal. I realise that can be frustrating but it is not something that is meant to hurt. Anyway, I hope you reconsider in time. Also, I realise I could do better when it comes to praising the things people do around here, so I want to add: thank you for your work, particularly on the Jump Force page but also elsewhere, including in undoing vandalism on the wiki. 22:35, November 17, 2018 (UTC)


 * Glad to hear it. Best wishes, 19:30, November 18, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Novels
In regard to adding info to the articles, I am referencing this thread. I personally suggested Tabs to separate out Other Media since that is the only way Bleach will grow unless they renew the Manga with Tite Kubo. It was decided that how this could happen would only be discussed after those articles have been filled out in the standards of our Wiki. Yes you have done a lot of work, very good work as I have said, but its not finished in order to open those discussions on how. These things need properly discussed before running into them. I know these things can become frustrating but as Sal says in that thread, people just want us to add novels to the canon articles but didn't care over and over that we requested the actual articles to be filled out too as Novels have been sitting there since 2006 and nobody's touched them just want to add things to characters pages when the Novels agree with their speculation. I made that thread a year and half ago and still people refused to do the novel pages if they wanted to discuss adding it the pages, my personal preference being separated into tabs away from Manga canon. You have only just recently volunteered to do this and this takes time so please have patience. Until the novel pages are finished this will be our stance.


 * The OC characters are a bit of a sore spot here. I recall the Spirits Are Forever With You characters were not received well here and seen a bit a ridiculous. I wouldn't personally be against having like a list for them like we do for other types of groups but its not my call has to be discussed. But I am sure it still applies like before, people don't want more novel pages created until the other novel pages for the novels themselves are not stubs.

Re: Ichibē Hyōsube
I'm not quite sure myself. I looked over edits at the time but I will check in with the dudes on the 'Cord server. And also of course i got the reference I like SOME cool things do you get me!! lol Love that film, have a fear of blood but the political commentary and such is amazing.
 * I raised it with them and Xil says it reverted back. I'm pretty useless right now as been infected with another strain of cough or fever and grr not sleeping because of it.
 * Woops so slow didn't realise you had messaged him already. D'oh!

Far as I remember, while Ichimonji controls black and removes names/halves power/etc., Shirafude Ichimonji renames things - which is an extension of the original power, and Bankai-level in its own right, but nothing to do with darkness. And when Ichibei renamed Yhwach, the slash of his brush was colored white like the tendril thing on the end of his brush, so I think it's part of the Bankai. Since it's gone during 610, I'm fairly confident Futen Taisatsuryō is a Shikai technique.--Xilinoc (talk) 18:44, February 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * I totally get that feeling, I remember thinking something similar at the time, but my logic is that Ichibei's basically the strongest Shinigami after Yamamoto, whose Shikai was pretty much Bankai-level in its own right, and being able to rename things is a much more potent ability for Ichibei than "simply" destroying someone so hard they can't even reincarnate, which would also be a Bankai-level ability, so I can see it being a less preferential but ultimately still possible ability for his Shikai.--Xilinoc (talk) 19:28, February 19, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Image
Sure thing, but I've got access to a higher-quality scan than the Mangastream stuff we used to use and we like to avoid using JPG files whenever possible, so I've uploaded my own variant as a PNG file and added that to the gallery. Hope that works.--Xilinoc (talk) 12:05, February 20, 2019 (UTC)

Hi are you the one writing and adding the summarised CFYOW novel info? If yes, then thanks!

RE: Continuing Discussion
I'm forced to say it here: You are not forced to say anything. You still brought nothing new to the table except irrelevant DragonBall references like we should be like that Wiki. We have no intention of ever being like that Wiki. Oh sorry and As its made abundantly clear you admins simply do not like the novels. That's it. Those are not related to Bleach Wiki at all. You already know how several of us feel about the ahem, revelations made up in the Novels but doesn't change it was a dedicated team decision to have the Canon Policy as it is, seven years ago. I opened a discussing on the matter, I have linked it several times to you and our position has not changed and you know this. The matter is resolved you just don't like the answer. And the answer is, Tabs will be discussed being added to the Articles when the all Novel articles are completed to our standards. New users who have not proven their dedication to the Wiki beyond "But the novels that have been out since 2006 that I suddenly care about" are not going to change that. Our canon policy remains. Discussion Closed.

Re: Apology and explanation
Sorry I was working.
 * For starters, I wanted to apologize for yesterday. Sleeping and calming down have given me a new perspective on things. Funny how that works.

I am sorry too for any insults or bad feelings I might have caused. It was not intentional but I am still sorry as I don't want to hurt you.
 * Thing is, I suppose that my issue was that I kept taking it personally whenever you closed discussions that I was a part of.

I don't mean this offensively, just constructively, but you do. None of my actions are "I'm going to mess with someone today" just always to keep the peace.
 * Likewise, I think I should emphasize that I'm an aspie with a depression. 

I got that from one of your previous posts. I am sorry for your struggles. I also myself struggle from Mental Health issues but in a different way to you. I also understand that sometimes the wiring of your brain can make it difficult to distinguish between some things, in this case when something is a personal attack or not simply because it annoys you. Which is why I spend so much time explaining and repeating my position and trying to show how I literally have shown gratitude for your work and tried to honestly help. I understand its not always obvious when our feelings are hurt and we are distressed, whether someone hurt us or we took hurt from their actions. Add your situation into that and we do get even more confused.

I hope I am not offending you by stating the above. My mum and dad met volunteering to help people with a variety of disabilities from mild mental disabilities all the way up to physically disabled. Unrelated, but my first best friend had Down Syndrome, she was a lot older than me but it never mattered. She died when I was 11 so the harsh realities of what different conditions can mean has always been evident in my life. I actually always wanted to be a teacher because I was raised around always wanting to help.

Sadly, when I was 22, I hope I do not gross you out here, but I basically started bleeding daily. As in that thing that happens to cis women once a month, well it happened every day and I was/am in agony a lot and as you can imagine also tired and anaemic. I get an injection that gives me medicated menopause that stops the bleeding but not completely and helps the pain but its still very potent. Side effects of that are hot flushes and dizziness and nausea a lot. So, sometimes when I think I am being clear and polite, maybe I haven't been due to tiredness or dizziness or because sitting up is just hurting me and I am distracted with it. So if I am ever not clear, a wee quick message just to let me know helps. But yeah because of this and many other factors, I also suffer depression and don't worry its nothing to be ashamed of, we should all talk about it.

But on this topic, have you ever thought of joining the discord? No pressure but sometimes its easier to talk if theres ever anything you need to flag to me. There's no pressure but it might be easier to resolve any disputes you have with me or my actions. No pressure though but I do hope you well.
 * What that means is that, as it turns out, I take criticism far harder than regular people. Now, I know that constructive criticism is a thing, really, but whenever people criticise me, I just can't help but strongly feel like they don't like what I'm doing.

I know its hard to distinguish and often that can be out of your control. Honestly, your work is valued here, sorry if I haven't made that overly obvious or anything. I also do honestly understand that which is why I do keep replying and restating my points and such. I admit I can become emotional (I get hormone imbalances often) when people accuse me of thing I don't feel is justified so I too can become extremely defensive because I know I am mostly a pacifist and don't want to hurt anyone unless they are trying to physically hurt me or someone I love. Sorry for any overtly emotional responses from my side as well.
 * Wow, this was easier in my head.

You did great :)
 * Plus, if it makes you feel any better, I am on antidepressants for years now, and likely for years to come.

It certainly doesn't make me feel better that you have to take medication. But I also understand that sometimes, while yes they can help in many situations, sometimes they can knock you for six in certain situations. I remember when they gave me them for chronic pain and when didn't work I tried to come off them and my whole body nearly shut down until I took them again and weaned myself off them. Gained a new understanding for Drug Addicts at that. But yeah rambling. Hopefully they help you deal with things but I understand they have side effects. I wish you luck on that as medication can suck even when we need it.
 * See, this is why I prefer to talk things out. I know you had your reasons, but stopping discussions before people can fully get things off of their chests only makes things worse IMO.

I get that, I think discourse is very very important. However sometimes, it can be counter-productive at certain times like arguing over the same thing over and over knowing we aren't going to change each others minds. I don't mind calmly discussing things but as soon as people use insults, and arrogant isn't really a nice word, then it becomes personal and people start becoming upset. I have tried to continue those types of discussions before and they spiral to even worse words and insults until someone gets banned. Meanwhile the Wiki suffers because someone could have been doing work instead of insulting each other.

I know, having talked it out with the guy, that he didn't intend it to be an insult but arrogant isn't really a descriptive word that invokes positive feelings. Quite the opposite in fact. It's basically saying "You are wrong and too proud to see it" which is not productive in discourse. When these things happen my reaction to go on the defensive and then it becomes an argument. So, instead, I shut it down and stop it spiralling. Disagreement is fine, even if I am so tired of having this same conversation with user who have no interest in editing on the Wiki (not you, you obviously do) joining to just tell us they are right and we are wrong. As long as it stays respectful its fine even if it does bore me saying same thing for years, as long as its respectful its not against the rules. But if its goes against them, I will shut it down because that is my role and I don't want drama on the Wiki.

But yeah sorry if that was long winded or I went off track, I can ramble a lot. But I am sorry if I have hurt you. Hopefully we can learn to live together. :)


 * Sorry I was at hospital.
 * Just wanted to let you know I read your reply and I am touched that you were so open with me as well.
 * Awk I am happy that my words touched you, that is a compliment, the kind I like. Your bravery touched me too. I don't consider it brave on my part because I have always been open about my struggles, granted not as much of a chance to discuss them because the Wiki did quieten after the Manga ended. But if ever listen to our old (mostly) weekly podcasts we would regularly make jokes about how I needed a terminator body like that from Salvation so I could do the things I wanted to. After years of being shamed into silence and told to shut up about "womens problems" because they made people uncomfortable, I have become rather focal about it. I did apologise however to you because I know tradition and culture is to sweep things like vaginal and reproductive issues under a carpet with mental health so I know can make people feel uncomfortable but I also feel both are very important to discuss.
 * Sorry for being so late to reply, as I kinda let it sink in and I didn't really know how to respond. TBH, I'm not really that good at, well, this.
 * I hope you never feel forced to respond. Its ok to quietly take things on board and decide how you want to process them. I admit I hoped I didn't make you feel uncomfortable in anyway but I also wanted you to know that you are not alone. Yes I will never fully understand your struggles and I should never pretend to but just that sometimes we are all struggling and sometimes its healthy to know that and to share that. Sometimes it lightens the burdens and helps us to understand one another a little better and to empathise with each other.
 * Honestly, I thinkt that having talked like this really helped patch things up between us.
 * Yeah me too. I won't pretend that we will always see eye to eye but sometimes its good to accept we are both human and both have things that cause us to make errors in judgement. I am glad you took the time to talk to me and I'm glad you didn't take me also explaining my position as me trying to put my problems over yours. Sometimes people take it like that and I am so glad you saw what my intention really was.
 * PS: Just in case you don't have the wrong idea, I only mentioned my medication to build a bit of a bridge. I wasn't implying that you'd be happy I am reliant on it.
 * Oh of course not. I know what medication can do and I know that sometimes it can solve one problem while opening up a whole other can of worms. So I know its a fine balance that can even take years or decades to get right. Sorry if my rambling about it made you feel I was justifying myself, I didn't mean to make you feel like I was implying you were. I'm glad we can talk openly as I am not just Sun the Strict Mod and you are not just Timjer The Divided Novel Lover (sorry a wee joke about you feeling pulled at either side, feel free to tell me if its too much). There's more to us than that :)


 * I hope you are keeping well. Giving you a heads up, I closed your thread because its becoming an insult hotspot, if you need me to reopen it, ask, but becoming a wee bed for non-editors who disagree with me to start insulting again. I didn't remove it so the replies can still be read.

Re: Colored Manga
Hey man, glad you're enjoying the updates. At the moment, I don't have ALL the remaining chapters, though they're all available: this guy is being awesome enough to buy the digital volumes (since they're sorta region-restricted) and send me JPGs of the pages via email so I can update the images here on the wiki. In the past we've managed a volume per day, but he's currently in the midst of a hectic life so we can't promise we'll have everything done by next Monday, but everything SHOULD be colored soon enough.--Xilinoc (talk) 13:03, May 1, 2019 (UTC)