Bleach Wiki talk:Policy & Standards Committee

Proposal for procedure to remove members and the captain (me)
We will soon be getting a few new members and so it is about time we start to think about how and under what circumstance people can be kicked out of the committee. That of course includes myself. So here goes,

Removal of seated member
Conditions under which an involuntary (people can always resign) removal would be considered,
 * In-active for six months or more.
 * Repeated abuse of rollback privileges
 * Non-performance/non-communication with the committee - this is different from being in-active. They might still be active in the wiki but if they suddenly stopped talking to the committee and responding to messages or looking after projects to which they are assigned, then its problem
 * Repeated violation of Bleach wiki policies - remember, most people were let into the committee because they didn't have violations to their name

How to remove,
 * The removal request be brought up on the committee page (that's the committee page's discussion section NOT this talk page) by one member and second by another.
 * Depending on the severity of the situation the captain (me) might choose to put the matter straight to the admins for them to vote for revoking roll-back rights and dropping the member from the committee or, if I am unsure I can open up a vote on the matter and provided the majority of the committee members want the person evicted, I will pass it along to the admins with the recommendation that they be dropped.

Removal of the captain
Only thing different here is that the period of in-activity is three months, instead of six. Basically, the captain is suppose to keep the thing running. If the captain is not here... the absence should be more notable then the absence of a seated officer. So. Three months of inactivity and the captain get's dropped down to a seated officer. Three months more of inactivity and the person get's dropped from the committee entirely.

As for how to remove, all members have to agree on the removal of the captain AND, this is very important, agree that the vice-captain should take over as the new captain. If the Vice-captain doesn't want to, then another committee member has to be picked. Then the admins are to be contacted to ask for the removal of the captain and the seating of the new captain. The admins will of course have the final say.

So these are my suggestions. What do you guys think. Tinni  (Talk)  13:52, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Procedure Discussions

 * I agree with the Seated Officer section completely. I am guessing as Vice-Captain the same rules apply for me as with u, right? Eitherway it doesn't matter to me. There is one thing I think might need be added. If u were to be promoted to a Captain(Sysop). While Bleach Wikia is not looking for any Admins u would be the first they would pick. So a third Section should be added saying:


 * "Another way of removal of the Captain would be thru Promotion. If the Captain is promoted to Adminship, then the Vice-Captain should take-over. If the Vice-Captain is not willing then another member has to be picked."


 * I also think that(I kno I am the Vice-Captain and I would take-over if the situation calls for it)if the Vice is unwilling to become Cap, then the Admins should be the ones to decide(on both the removal, via In-active and promotion). These r just my suggestions Minato  (Talk)  14:11, January 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I forgot to add one thing. If the Vice is unwilling to take command, then it should be decided that he be moved to a Seated Position and the Admins should pick two users to replace the Cap and Vice. Minato  (Talk)  14:28, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Good suggestions. Good suggestions. There is no hurry in deciding any of this. Well codify the policies in due time. For now, let's just leave these suggestions here for discussion, modification etc. We are in no hurry. Tinni  (Talk)  14:38, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Everything seems fair enough. From the looks of things, there won't be a new admin any time soon, though a few of them do seem to be currently inactive. Obviously, Tinni would be the next in line for adminship if that time comes, if they have officially adopted the policy of using Committee members as admin candidates. At any rate, I hope that the current projects are completed before then. Mohrpheus 17:34, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

I am not too concerned about committee members (including myself) leaving the committee by becoming admins, simply because that's a form of voluntary removal. If a member leaves voluntarily, then it is simply a matter of declaring lowest seat vacant and asking for nomination and again putting the nominations up for vote amongst us and the admin and giving the seat to whoever wins the most approval and moving everybody else up one. Same deal if the captain resigns, the vice-captain automatically takes over - 3rd seat becomes new vice-captain, 4th seat becomes new 3rd seat etc, etc and then the lowest seat gets declared vacant. Only time there will be an issue if someone doesn't want to move up. There might be good reasons for this, they don't have the time for the increased responsibility or is happy where they are. If that happens, it is probably best to discuss each individual circumstances amongst ourselves and the admins and act accordingly. Tinni  (Talk)  01:11, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was reading over some of this and feel I should clarify on my suggestions, or atleast one part. When I said: "I also think that(I kno I am the Vice-Captain and I would take-over if the situation calls for it)if the Vice is unwilling to become Cap, then the Admins should be the ones to decide(on both the removal, via In-active and promotion)." To be more specific, I only think the Admins should get involved if the Vice is unwilling to accept the promotion and that the Admins should pick two other members from the Committee. One for the Cap and one for the Vice.


 * Also I disagree with Tinni's statement above, or a certain part of it. I do not like the idea of an Admin being on the Committee. If one of the Committee was to become an Admin they must first, or right after, resign from the Committee and another user should be chosen to fill that persons role, or we could wait for someone to nominate themselves. Either way. Reason: Having and Admin on the Committee goes against y the Committee was formed, i.e to free up the Admins so they can focus on other things. Having an Admin on the Committee would be like having Ikkaku and Yumichika attend a Captains meeting, its unethical. Minato  (Talk)  00:30, January 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry Minato, I think you misunderstood what I meant. I mean, no one can force a person to become an admin. So if one of the members of the committee is offered a role as an admin, it is still their choice as to whether they accept and leave the committee or decline because they don't want the increased responsibility that goes with being an admin. I didn't mean that they can be an admin AND stay on the committee. That's crazy talk! So in essence becoming an admin is same as resigning, where the resignation is automatic upon accepting the adminship. Tinni   (Talk)  01:12, January 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah. My bad. Srry bout that. Minato  (Talk)  01:18, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well, this has been sitting here for awhile. I agree, Tinni u agree, and Mohrpheus agrees. I'm sure the others have read it and agree as well. Yyp brought it up on the Admin talkpage and the Admins haven't objected or anything, so I think they trust us and r letting us run our show. I think its time we made it official. So Tinni do u think we should make it its own page or try and fit it in on the Committee page? Minato (Talk)  00:39, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Contribution Boxes
Just letting you all know that I have made a set of contribution boxes for each of our projects. Members of the committee, admins and any use who assists with the projects may choose to use the box on their users pages. Just a bit of fun and a extra bit of user page decoration for helping with the projects. Anyway, the boxes are below. The control of the boxes are with individual projects. Tinni  (Talk)  06:41, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Synposis -> plot
It's been decided that in the case of the major character articles the word "synopsis" no longer applies dues to the volume of detail on the page. So the section is to be renamed "plot". So when you find yourself editing a major article, please also take the time to change the section title from synopsis -> plot. Thanks! Tinni  (Talk)  04:33, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Committee Nomination (Weedefinition)
User Weedefinition has nominated himself for a spot on the Committee. He has pointed out that he has over 1000 edits, has written or helped write many Anime Summaries, as well as a few Fight summaries. He admits to typos and other errors, but all-in-all seems he just want to be of some help. Supermagnum alerted me to Tinni's msg on my page asking me to vote, so I created this section so the Committee members can vote here on whether or not we think he should pass. To the Committee, plz voice what u think, "Support", "Neutral" or "Oppose".

I have no objections. TomServo101 (Talk)  17:44, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I can support this, but I am reserving judgment until Tinni votes and I will explain why. I took a quick look at his recent contributions, since I haven't been around much. I have known Weede for quite sometime now. He has been around for awhile and I imagine he is up-to-date with the Policies. He is on frequently, consistently(much more so then myself), and doesn't spend all of his time on the Forums or Blogs.

However, I am aware that he and our Cappy, Tinni has had some disputes over some issues. They do seem to be on better terms now, so if Tinni votes either "Support" or Neutral, I will vote support, but if she "Opposes" this I will also oppose it, mainly because I don't want the Committee to have any problems getting along.

I don't mean to bring up any old issues which should best be forgotten, and if they have been forgotten I apologize. Its just I felt I should say something about it since I do remember it. Minato (Talk)  19:35, July 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well personal dislike is not grounds for opposition but even if it was, I wouldn't oppose Weedefinition on those grounds. I am mostly neutral on Weedefinition. I mean, he does contribute a great deal to committee projects but he is applying for membership mostly for the rollback. I am a bit iffy about why he wants rollback given that he does far less vandalism reversal and edit undos then most people. I read his original request for rollback and it seemed to be it was prompted by a spade of vandalisms that were happening at the time. Since then I don't recall seeing a lot of "Undo revision XXXXX by Weedefinition" all that much. My original issues with Weedefinition were his tendency to bring-up discussion topics in the talk pages that were strictly time-wasters, which can be an issue as a member of the committee he would be charged with answering and closing discussions, not something he's all that skilled in. But his solid contribution to committee project does out-weight a lot of these concerns. So really I don't think there is much grounds on which Weedefinition can be opposed. Tinni   (Talk)  03:09, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Huh. So Weedefinition has nominated himself to be on the committee, hmm? Well, there is no doubt that he (as Minato pointed out) is "on frequently, consistently (much more so then myself), and doesn't spend all of his time on the Forums or Blogs" in addition to seemingly to have knowledge of policies and such. Of course, the contributions must also be considered (which are fairly solid). If his membership request really is simply for having rollback rights, I am neutral on that front. I have not had much interaction with him, aside from one minor "dispute" in regards to my edits on the Tōshirō Hitsugaya vs. Luppi page. But he did give an apology for his comments, saying that he was "more seeking an explanation for them." Honestly, I am sort-of between support & neutral so I will be neutral for now. I do admit that from what I can gather, there is not much for Weedefinition's request to be opposed.- Mr. N 03:48, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

While Weedefinition may occasionally cause minor problems on the talk pages, or not really undo much vandalism, I feel that this is far outweighed by the good that has already been mentioned (helping out with committee projects, following the rules, being on frequently, etc.). This is enough reason for me to give a support. TheDevilHand888 05:30, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Even as member of the committee, I feel that WD has contributed more to this wiki than I have, in more ways than just edit count. I have never witnessed any bad conduct from him, and even his questionable comments on talk pages are made with constructive intent. As far as rollback rights being his intent for wanting to join, his contributions thus far suggest that he would only use such that power to benefit the wiki. Mohrpheus 03:14, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think the consensus is that given Weedefinition's contribution to committee projects, he should be given a seat in the committee, even if we do have some reservations about him. Since that is the case, I have forwarded him to the admins and assuming none of them have any objects to Weedefinition, he'll join us shortly. Tinni  (Talk)  04:15, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Resignation
Hey guys I am going to resign from the Committee as soon as someone else from it is chosen to take my place. The Admins have the final say, but they would most likely pick my replacement depending on all of ur answers. Its a bit sudden, and I'm srry for doing this, but I just can't commit the time here that is needed. So please discuss which 1 of u think the best person is to take my spot. Of course Tinni will more then likely be the best judge on who she thinks is the best person for the job, and obviously Morpheus is next inline for my spot. U can vote for another member or ur self. Again, I'm srry but I just can't commit right now. Minato (Talk)  15:58, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to lose you. I can understand life getting hectic. I hope you'll be able to pop-in from time to time and see how we are going. Have fun and good luck with your studies. Tinni  (Talk)  03:05, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Awww...Sorry to hear this. But that is how life is. I may not have had as much interaction with you as Tinni and others did...but as Tinni said: "I hope you'll be able to pop-in from time to time and see how we are going. Have fun and good luck with your studies."- Mr. N 18:35, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Selection of new Fukutaichio
Well I am open to suggestions. Tinni  (Talk)  03:05, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

As said by Minato, being the 3rd seat supposedly makes me next in line for the position. However, I don't feel that I have contributed enough to the Wiki to take on the responsibility of the position. I have admittedly neglected the Article Improvement Project in part to college preparation, though I have done a bit more work on it recently. Minato himself recently suggested that DevilHand is qualified to take up the Article Improvement project - would he be qualiifed for the fukutaicho position as well? His participation in the committee's numerous projects has been more expansive than my own. Mohrpheus (talk) 03:26, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * There seems to be some sort of confusion here. The Fukutaicho position is not linked to any particular project. Minato believes that TheDevilHand888 is the best person to take over the leadership of the Bleach Wiki:Anime Summary Project. I agree and that is why it was offered to him. However, TheDevilHand888 is yet to take up the offer of the leadership of the Bleach Wiki:Anime Summary Project. Let alone shown any interest in the Fukutaicho position. So its a little premature to be talking about that. However, as you (Mohrpheus) feel that you have not contributed enough to be comfortable with the position of Fukutaicho, I am happy to throw the position open for nominations and voting. Personally, both TheDevilHand888 and Mr. N are qualified for the position having contributed to multiple projects diligently and over a considerable period of time. But we have to now wait and here from those two before we discuss anything further. Tinni   (Talk)  07:19, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I was a bit unclear with my statement. I made a typo in reference to Minato's comment about DevilHand; I meant to mention the Anime Summary Project, not the Article Improvement Project. I'm aware that there's no link between the ranks and the positions; as you said, what I meant is that since I haven't been contributing much to the Article Improvement Project as much I wanted to, I wouldn't be able to handle the additional responsibility of being fukutaicho. I plan to be more active in that respect. I suggested the possibility of DevilHand taking the position instead because asides from him being more qualified, Minato trusts him enough to take on leadership of the Anime Summary Project (even now, I'm having trouble putting that thought into words without it sounding weird to me...). Like you said however, nobody has nomitated themselves yet. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding. Mohrpheus (talk) 08:00, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification. As I said, we need to hear from both TheDevilHand888 and Mr. N before we can discuss anything further. Tinni   (Talk)  08:08, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

I'll agree with that; Mr N is next in line, so logically he'll be considered (I'd have him as favourite atm). As for Devil, I know he hasn't been part of the commitee that long, but he has plenty of edits, and has his hand in pretty much all the projects. Tinni said to me that as Fukataicho, Minato normally took care of recruitment and such; while I've not seen either's people skills first hand, I don't think that'll be too much of a problem; I suppose we could delegate that responsibility to everyone if needed.

Now, something I'd like to raise; who (if anyone) will take the place of the new leiutenant on the commitee. If we decide to do so, I propose Lia; it'd give us someone in translation corner on the board. TomServo101 (Talk)  11:00, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hey everyone sorry for taking so long to answer. In regards to the Anime Summary Project, I'll accept the position of leading over it, as long as nobody has any objections to this. However, in regards to the fukutaicho position, I think Mr. N would be better for it than me, mainly because he has been on the committee for much longer, and I simply have no desire of taking the position, at least not at this time. TheDevilHand888 (talk) 17:07, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking over the anime summary project. I'll leave that project in your capable hands. I also agree with you regarding Mr. N, he is the best person for the job. Not only has he been a member of the committee longer, he's also been the leader of the Fight Summary Project. Let us now wait and see what Mr. N has to say on the matter. Tinni   (Talk)  17:27, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hey. Sorry I didn't see this sooner. Being the new guy I'm not as familiar with everyone, but from what I do know about Mr. N he'll make a very good choice. WD  Talk to me  17:39, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hoo boy! My goodness, a lot of things have transpired in a short period of time. I do apologize for being a little "slow." Okay. So...I am going to try to confirm some things in regards to the Fukutaicho position. It looks to me that the Fukutaicho was in charge of recruitment and addressing issues of following committee and wiki policies (and also the Anime Summary Project at least in Minato's case) and possibly other responsibilities (which may need pointing out). The Anime Summary Project looks to be fine, seeing as TheDevilHand888 will take over. NOW I had initially thought that Mohrpheus would be better suited as he has been a member longer or TheDevilHand888 due to being a little more active on the site than I am. However, they have both expressed opinions that there are better qualified members. I am also going to assume that the Fukutaicho should be someone who is on the Committee. Being Fukutaicho had not crossed my mind before, but I would not mind taking up Fukutaicho'''. HOWEVER my main concern is whether I will be able to properly manage it. I am going to be starting my 1st year of college in about a month and many of you probably know that the university level classes can be...time-consuming. '''Therefore, I am not 100% certain on taking the position (but it is possible). Phew. In addition, if I am readingTomServo101' s comments correctly then he is suggesting that Lia Schiffer be considered as replacment member for whoever goes to Fukutaicho? If so, then I agree with that statement. Lia Schiffer may also be someone that we might consider for Fukutaicho (if we are open to currently non-committee members )- Mr. N 18:35, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Let me to drop in from my week long inactivity to settle this. You don't have to worry too much about the exact responsibility of the Fukutaichio position. As things stand now, the fukutaichio will not have too much addition responsibility. You would chiefly do what you do now, contribute to the fight summary project, article improvement project etc, etc. Only time you would really have extra things to do is if I am not around and something happens with the committee. I.e. a project is finished, a member leaves/we get a new member. If I am not around, you would be basically the most senior member of the committee and would have to close the project, add/remove the new member, inform the admins etc, etc. The only other things that Minato used to do that I would like you to do as well is closing discussion topics on talk pages that are resolved/doesn't need any more discussion/too old. Technically, all committee members do have that power but I guess Minato felt more comfortable doing it because of his position. So really, at this point, the only addition responsibility would be helping monitor talkpages. If you are happy with that, let's finalise this and once it is finalised - TheDevilHand888 will leap-up to 4th seat, [User:Weedefinition| WD ]] will move-up to 7th seat and yes, I will be offering the then vacant 8th seat to Lia Schiffer. Hope that clears everything-up! Tinni   (Talk)  01:47, July 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not that it's totally relevant, but I actually had no idea that any member of the committee was allowed to exercise those... "powers," I'll call them. The Committee page gives a small list of responsibilities, being the things that are expected of us. However, now that I think about it, nothing specifically states exactly what capabilities or "powers" we have, such as being able to close discussions as you said. It also doesn't differentiate on the authority the taichou and fukutaichou have with that of the other members. Or at the very least, I neglected to ask anybody about it. Back on topic, it would be great if Nwang could take the job. Ironically, he seems to be the only one on the committee that is interested in taking up the position, but he would be well suited for it. Mohrpheus (talk) 02:59, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Normally I try not to intercede in your procedures but if I might bring up a point/suggestion. Whomever is placed as second should be active in considerable edits. Tinni herself is very active in that regard and it goes without saying that any committee member by dent of being on the committee is expected to be active along those lines as well. I understand full well that not everyone can dedicate as much time to the site as some others but If not everyday at least someone who is prevalent on the site at least every other day should be in the second position. Also if it will help clear things up I will further specify in detail the powers of the committee members in general and the specific powers of the 1st and 2nd on the committee. So that at the very least people can be sure of what they can do. Salubri (Talk)  03:17, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Invitation sent. TomServo101 (Talk)  10:18, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hey everyone. I kno I am not a member of the Committee anymore, and I am hoping I am not overstepping my boundaries by posting this here, but I felt this needed to be said, in regards to closing "Discussions" on "talk pages"; this might help clarify any questions Mr. N or any of u members might have to this regard. Firstly The Admins initially created this template inorder to have some sibilance of control on talkpages, as some of them would rage out of control, and just go on and on, and ON! Further more, people would just add something to a comment weeks, sometimes months latr bringing something up that had been settled. I decided to use this on pages where it was obvious that discussions were settled, and I almost never closed a discussion unless an Admin had commented on it. The Admins seemed happy with the help and the fact that I wasn't abusing my power in this regard and Yyp modified the Discussion Policy back in late April, please read it if u haven't, which u should already have (wags finger). I don't expect u to kno all of the Policies word-for-word, but the Discussion Policy is rather short, so u all should kno about that. Again, I am srry if I am out of line here, but if anyone has any questions, mainly u Mr. N, since it seems like u will become Fukutaicho, please just ask, and I'll try and respond asap. Minato (Talk)  01:24, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I was made aware by TomServo that I'm beeing considered to become member of the Committee due to Minato's recent resignation, which I was indeed aware of (I do have a habit of checking the Committee's activities whenever there are these kind of major changes) and I have been reading the whole discussion here throughout the past few days. I would be honored and very happy to be part of the Committee, I've always tried my best to contribute to this wiki as much as I can, though I haven't contributed to the Anime Summary Project or the Fight Summary Project because I'm no big writing summaries, but I've always wanted to be more active in the Article Improvement Project and I always keep an eye on edits for vandalism, risky articles and that stuff. And well, I don't think I have a real saying in it, but I do think Mr. N should be moved up to Fukutaicho because I think he's better suited for the position and has been on the committee longer. And thanks again for considering me. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  06:32, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

So I dropped in to check how things are going around here. Seems like the only thing we have to do is wait for Mr. N to formally accept the fukutaichio position and then we can move ahead with resuffling the seats and putting Lia Schiffer  forward to the admins as a new committee member. Good, good, things seem to be going smoothly so far. Tinni  (Talk)  09:27, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Okay. First off, I am glad that there have been additional clairifcations to the Fukutaicho position (by Salubri, Minato , Tinni  etc.) I am very thankful for that and it has made it easier in my considerations. I should also clarify something about my "interest" in the position (as Mohrpheus worded). Here is what I was thinking: Truthfully, I initially did not have interest in being Fukutaicho but because NO ONE ELSE seems to want to take it up, I felt that I should be open to being Fukutaicho simply to keep the Committee running (relatively) smoothly. And I cannot deny that sometimes my activity on the site does fluctuate a bit. Normally I try to be on at least once a week (if not every other day) so if my activeness on the site becomes insufficient for being Fukutaicho, please do not hesitate to demote me. Hmm. Well, I suppose that I will take up the position (for the time being anyway). Please don't mistake my intentions. It is not that I NEVER want to be Fukutaicho so I can avoid extra responsibilities but I just don't want to cause various functions of the site to degrade because of my inabilities to fully fulfill the position's responsibilities. Also, I want all Committee members to be aware if you do desire to be Fukutaicho at some point (TheDevilHand888 being the only one so far that might want to be Fukutaicho in the future), please DO bring it up. You just might be able to do the job as effectively if not better than me. - Mr. N 19:50, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Seems like we've no objections on either front. I'm happy with how things look. TomServo101 (Talk)  20:22, July 26, 2010 (UTC)