Forum:Is a vaste lorde the pinacle of the hollow race? If so could they own a bankai?

Ok I know people r gonna shoot me down 4 this but here goes....... REMEMBBR i'm only specualating so don't get 2 emotional, The possiblity of what i'm saying happening is extremely slim i know that much. Ok A vizard can aquire a mask and maybe another transformation, which maybe one of the reasons Shinji wanted ichigo to complete his training and truely master his vizard powers. So incidents like when his mindless hollow form attacked Ishida wouldn't happen (Speculating). So far all the Esparda except one have demonstrated a sealed and an unsealed form with the exception of one the forth esparda who went a stage higher than everyone else. Personally I think the 4th esparda was the strongest of all the esparda, but forget that on with the suject at hand. Do u think we will meet Vaste Lorde that will be saying bankai? Yeah Yeah I know I know we don't know much about Vizard, esparda and even less about vaste lorde. Are esparda and vaste lorde related, obviously they hold different positions on the food chain and could Aizen make an artifical Vaste Lorde if the hollow was powerfully enough And would it share some of the same triats as esparda? I mean so far we have seen Esparda who look human and carry a soul slayer, but the vizards can use cero, sonido (Mindless ichigo I don't know if any of the vizards can conciously use it, bbut they have had more time to discover more about there vizard powers and shinji did use cero), And can go up another stage(speculation mindless ichigo). Maybe an artificial Vaste lorde could own a bankai if created with the Hōgyoku? I know it breaks down the barriers separating hollows and death Gods, but does that mean they have access to all or only selected abilities of their counter parts? Or is a bankai the equivilant of a Resurrección or Segunda Etapa? I'm Speculating hoping the veterans in this forum can shed some light on the subject Anakin69 14:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Vasto Lordes are the highest form of Hollow; that much you have right. However, they are still that:  Hollows.  This means that, unless proven otherwise, they do not carry a Zanpakto, which means that they cannot achieve Bankai.  As well, and someone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but evolution from Adjutas to Vasto Lorde is a natural evolution, but use of the Hōgyoku would only transform a Hollow into an Arrancar or a Shinigami into a Vizard.


 * So, to simply answer your question in the title: Yes, the Vasto Lorde is the pinnacle of the Hollow race, but no, they cannot achieve Bankai. Angeluscado 15:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok I was actually with you for a bit till you starting asking about the vasto lorde. The answer is im sure at some point we will see Vasto Lorde, having said that. No they cannot use bankai they would have to have shikai first and even more important then those two things they would have to have a zanpakuto which hollow dont have. Vasto Lorde and Espada are related in that Arrancar where once hollows and now they are more then hollows. But Arrancar are outside the normal evolution of a hollow. No Aizen can't just make a creature, it is hard for a hollow to evolve and even harder if not impossible to become a vasto lord. To date all aizen has done is finished the the process of an arrancar becoming a true arrancar, using the orb of distortion, i turn that was hollow which had at some point became arrancar but their process of transformation was not full or complete. So it had to be done artificially. The espada are just a system of power ranking any arrancar could be one depending on how powerful they are in comparison to other arrancar. The only trait among espada would be power level which can very over time. The vizard are shinigami who have gained hollow powers and use we have seen shinji use cero and who knows what else he or by what we have seen ichigo can do, or any vizard can do for that matter. The basic problem is vasto lorde are just hollow. Not if one was a arrancar then it would have a resurreccion but that is all an Arrancar has, there is no actual equivalent of a arrancar's release and that of a shinigami's shikai and bankai. If you also know arrancar gain shinigami-like abilities but the powers are hollow based. Sonido is their version of flash steps, then look more humanoid then a hollow normally would. they have hierro to protect themselves and make themselves more durable. Hollow versions but nothing really shingiami as the skills shinigami use have to be taught. They gain a zanpakuto. The important thing to notice there is that it is a zanpakuto in name only. It is not a part of their soul that is a separate sentient spirit like the shinigami possess, for arrancar it is their true hollow powers/form sealed away in a sword that is the reason why their release is called a resurreccion as they are just unsealing their true power, it doesn't do what a true zanpakuto does. The fact the Ulquiorra has a second form is pretty weird but the fact is the only thing we actually know about him in general regardless of the form is that he is more powerful then those ranked lower then him. It would be speculation to think he was more powerful then anyone of higher rank as we have no proof he has ever fought anyone higher that we know of. All we know is the ichigo in whatever the new form is, is more powerful then him and even then we only seen ichigo fight him in that form so we dont know how powerful in comparison to anyone else that form is if we are talking about ichigo. So basically when they release how powerful they are is just determined by the spiritual power level. As shown you can be an espada and more powerful then most arrancar but apparently the power level is varied from the 10 on up and depending on the opponents level of power you can be taken out easy or not. Rukia killed the 9th, mayuri killed the 8th, byakuya killed the 7th, ichigo defeated the 6th, Zaraki killed the 5th, Hollow Ichigo was instrumental in the killing the 4th. Also Angeluscado gave a complete accurate explanation to reinforce what he said. let me know if i didn't explain something lol. Salubri 15:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

ok lol.........

Thanks guys u shed some light on that subject. So could an arrancar have the power to rival a vaste lorde? would a vaste lorde be the Equivilant of Genryusai someone whose polished their skills and reached their fighting abilities limit? Anakin69 16:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

An arrancar by nature of what it is would surpass a normal shinigami in power as it would possess twice the power of a shinigami or hollow separately. So it stands to reason that it can surpass a hollow, now which class of hollow is left to chance, but considering we know so little about vasto lorde and what they are truly capable of its hard to say. Once again I dont know if the General can take a vasto lorde, i would think that a vasto lorde is more powerful then a average captain but the general is anything but average. If i was to speculate considering how old and powerful he is i would think he must have come across at least one in his life, he may have even defeated it, who knows.Salubri 18:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)