Forum:Why is there a 3 minute limit on the masks???

I was wondering why the limit on the masks? They they have all been through the training to hold the mask for long periods but they keep having to take off the masks 4 some reason, why is that? Mashiro could hold hers for 15 hours straight away, but its seems to affect her too? Are they at 20% because they are in the real world and are still affected by the restriction, (unlikely but who knows?) because they are captain and lietenant ranking? Is it the environment? effects of the barrier? Or some other unexplained reason? Let me know if you know, or what you think? Kissmybankai 06:28, October 2, 2009 (UTC) -->

They are taking their mask off to recharge. It doesn't mean ALL of them have a 3 minute limit. Love has a 3-minute limit. Mashiro's 15 hours was recorded under "rest" conditions from what I can tell. I.e if she sits around doing nothing, she can hold her mask for 15 hours. But when she is fighting somebody of Wonderweiss's calibur she has to exert herself more and as such how long she can maintain the mask is decreased. If they mask breaks, they can't bring it back for sometime. But I guess if they take it off and let it recharge, they can pull it on again sooner. At least, that's my take on the situation. In this respect, the masks aren't very different from things like bankai, which also can't be maintained indefinitely. I guess it came as a shock because most people thought the time-limit thing only applied to Ichigo. Now we know better. Tinni 06:54, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, as of chapter 376, fighting and standing around idly have proven to have different effects of the Hollow Mask, since Mashiro's pretty much shattered while fighting Wonderweiss. I sincerely doubt that Mashiro has been fighting Wonderweiss for 15 hours. Arrancar109 07:24, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

"Are they at 20% because they are in the real world and are still affected by the restriction"

No, the vizards live in the real world away from shinigami rules and so weren't under that restriction. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 12:40, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure? We don't know a lot about the limiters, or if Kisuke (I presume it'd be him anyway) ever got round to removing them. TomServo101 12:54, October 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * The limiters are automatically put on if you leave through the official gate. That's what Soifon said. I am fairly certain the Vizards and Urahara didn't leave through the official gate(s) deep inside Seireitei when they escaped 100 years ago. Also, I think Urahara would have found a way and a time to remove the limiters in 100 years. Plus I don't think the Vizards are stupid enough to come fight Aizen and company with limiters on. So... Yes I am certain that they do not have limiters. Tinni 13:10, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Like Tinni said everyone that lives outside Kakara town (excuss the spelling) are not effected by the limiters. Also the reason for the Fake Kakara town is so that the Gotie 13 can fight at full power with out destroying the town so the limiters are not in effect any way. Tealang99 13:28, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

I think the other limits could best be compared bankai. It is a lot of power being released and it takes a lot of work to control it. Now, with Mashiro lossing her mask, i think that has more to do with WW. I notice that she shot that cero at him and he open his mouth and ???? absorbed/turned off/negate/ or something, but right after he did that her mask shattered. Maybe this is some kind of black hole ability of his, so that 15 hour counter went out the window facing him.

What with Wonderweiss continually screaming his lungs out during these fights and basically going completely nuts (and with his supposed ingestion of Mashiro's Cero) I'd bet money that his Resurreccion release command is either 'Devour' or something along the same lines. -- Ulyenov 15:00, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Question? I don't follow the manga, but I just read the pages for Mashiro & Wonderweiss. It states that his scream cancelled out her cero, yet many of U are saying he ate it or something along those lines. I'm confused? Also it states that his second scream which cancelled Mashiro's cero & shortly after that her mask shattered. I think its possible that Wonderweiss' scream broke her mask. Minato88 15:57, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

The mask is the part of the 2-faces vizard hollow + shinigami. The hollow mask needs energy, meaning that it feeds with the soul energy or reiryoku of the vizard. The stronger the enemy becomes, the more the hollow masks siphons the reiryoku of its wielder and thus makes him/her weaker and tired. Eventually the mask itself breaks, because rejected by the shinigami part like antibodies do.Baronofash 21:43, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Or in short, exert yourself and the mask breaks faster. Mashiro used too much power in her Cero so ran out of enough to maintain the mask.

-It states that his scream cancelled out her cero, yet many of U are saying he ate it or something along those lines- I think people are reading the scene differently. It looked to me like he canceled it out with a blast of his own. ZeroSD 09:29, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank U User:ZeroSD for stating the confusion. If Mashiro & Wonderweiss' pages are inaccurate then somebody should correct this. I would, but I don't know exactly what happened. But on this page alone we have several different stories; some saying he ate her cero, others say he deflected it with his own, yet the page says his SECOND SCREAM cancelled it out. Minato88 17:00, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Ok I have gone back and looked at the manga again and yes it was Wonderweiss's scream that cancelled the cero. We do have setup for this. 1. Wonderweiss's scream cracked Hitsugaya's ice obelisk and freed Harribel; 2. Tosen says Wonderweiss's "words" have meaning; 3. Wonderweiss's scream/talking/voice thing activated Fura into releasing the hoard of Gillian; and now we have Wonderweiss able to erase cero with his scream. If you look at the panels its him scream --> cero disappearing. That's another thing, we have seen cero being mitigated by another cero being fired. We have seen cero being eaten too. When Grimmjow fired a cero to mitigate the damage of Shinji's cero, there was still an explosion - there was none in this case. When Nel eats cero, she can't just keep it inside her. She has to spit it back up and besides which we are shown pretty clearly that she is eating the cero. Plus Mashiro didn't say, "you ate my cero", she said "you ERASED my cero". So clearly, Wonderweiss's power is related to his voice and yes his scream did erase the cero. Please don't get confused and do not alter the Wonderweiss page. Thank you. Tinni 00:46, October 4, 2009 (UTC)