Bleach Wiki talk:Chronology Project

Time Skip
Quick question, should we add years, since the time skip. I am assuming that all of the events in the main bleach storyline up to chapter 423 take place in 2001, so now in the bleach storyline it should be exactly April 14, 2003. Should we update this. --Lemursrule (talk) 02:42, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... good point. I think we will have to restructure the "present" section entirely and divide it up according to Ichigo's school year. You know, "1st year of high school" and "3rd/final year of high school". But I am open to suggestions. Tinni  (Talk)  09:32, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

May I Please Join?
I don't know if you have to ask to join, but may I please join? ♥Phoenix feather!♥  21:07, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Two separate timelines
Hey its been awhile since I have even touched this, but after hearing the possibility of starting the project again had me starting to think, "Why don't we have two timelines, one for manga time and one for anime time." I started to think "well maybe because of the Amagai and Zanpakuto arcs it is nearly impossible to do that?" Then I further thought "well, why don't we have a manga timeline, an anime timeline that includes anime-only time differences (ex. Episode 1 taking course over a day and a half, whereas in the manga it is one day) and the Bount and Regai (groans) arcs, and alternative timelines for the Amagai and Zanpakuto arcs?" Tell me what you guys think. -- 19:40, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm I see what you are thinking the only thing IS that When Ichigo went to and returned from Hueco Mundo, things changed like in his mask that is obviously not represented in Amagai Arc and Muramasa Arc, I think because of that I hate them more plus the awful characters!! Anyway, so if had a Manga-only timeline, and an Anime-Only timeline should it leave out the manga parts in the Anime-only just including major instances like saving Rukia, like a bracketed branch of Hueco Mundo and FKT Arcs?? See its difficult to see for sure and obviously you will get the over the top members that might start picking at things!! But I think this could work but on separate pages or, tabs at the top??
 * I think the idea could work so long as they are clearly separated. The problem of course lies in the Amagai and Zanpakuto arcs where they don't really happen anywhere and likely could only be chronicled in a days since start format. That said, I am not opposed to doing so, we just need to settle on how to do it first.--

Perhaps we can have one titled on the lines of "Main Anime Storyline" and another named "Manga Storyline." Perhaps we could label the Amagai and Zanpakuto timelines as "Alternatative Universe Storylines." Sorry I am sucky with names right now.Perhaps as Sun stated we could you different tabs." -- 19:55, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call it the "Main Anime Storyline" as the implication there is that it is the main timeline, I would opt for "Main Timeline" being the manga, "Anime Timeline" being the anime and "Alternate Timelines" for the two filler arcs.--

Don't apologize for giving ideas in Lemurs, you're a valued member, your ideas count!! Chin up!! Right at this point there might be three timelines, because if one is just Manga-Only and then Anime-Only, then there will need to be an Alternate Universe one with a name and those can have the arcs the directly conflict with the information in canon due to the Ran'Tao thing and Hueco Mundo thing, we know these cause the disambiguation!! Some anime-only happens in Hueco Mundo as well so this might be the best course of action!!
 * The anime itself covers a lot of the manga, aside from some obvious filler arcs and a few other episodes that conflict the chronology. I think a better alternative for an anime-only timeline would just to list any differences, as Lemurs suggested, because including what's canon also would somewhat rehash the manga-only timeline, if you ask me. Part of me suggests making two timelines, one purely about the manga and the other on the filler arcs that aren't consistent with the canon chronology. We can include anime-only events in the Manga Timeline, just mark them as such to let readers know it's not actually canon, if this works out for you guys.


 * I see your objection but there are still events in the arcs that conflict with even the anime-only information and if it's to be an accurate chronological timeline we need to exhaust all possibilities!! :)
 * The problem with that is what Lemurs stated earlier, the anime took some liberties with the timeline itself. Things happen on different days in the anime than in the manga. Sure, there are some definitive dates given but a bunch of others are going to be different in the anime.--
 * That's true. If this can work, maybe for the timelines, have it set up in a similar format as wikitable sortables then? though with something more similar to the toggle feature. One part shows how the manga chronicles the events and another how the anime does, for the canon arcs I mean.

Rukia age
There is an issue with the Hisana and Rukia portion of the project. I know in the manga Rukia gives a figure that would lead one to infer that she is 150 or around that, but that claim after all this time makes little to no sense. It would mean that she is older then Byakuya and that Hisana her older sister was even older. We do know that 110 years ago Byakuya was roughly a teenager, so Rukia would have to be younger then that, about the same age as Renji, Izuru. But older then Momo or Hitsygaya. The problem is that Kubo does storyline without completely planning it out. This was stated in the first chapter without really going into the rest of the Shinigami or the Gotei 13 at the time as they were not placed as existing concepts for some time until the arrival of Renji and Byakuya at the end of the arc. Basically after all this time the figure originally given couldnt possibly be true, otherwise Rukia would have been about 40 when Kaien her mentor became the lieutenant of the 13th Division 110 years ago. --


 * We still don't have a grasp on Shinigami aging. Yes, that figure does seem off when considering all of that, but we still don't know exactly the rate at which Shinigami age as compared to Humans. 40 years of age as a Shinigami could be equivalent to teenager in Human years or even younger. We've always known that Byakuya is one of the younger captains. I don't think we can conclusively say that figure is wrong until we know more about Shinigami aging.--

Salubri, recall that souls age much slower than do humans. And we do have several specifically timed cases here. Let's consider Rukia, Byakuya, Renji, and Shūhei.


 * 150 y.a. - Rukia enters Soul Society as a baby
 * Hisana enters Soul Society as a young woman
 * 110 y.a. - Byakuya appears about 11
 * 101 y.a. - Shūhei appears about 8
 * 55 y.a. - Byakuya appears about 20 and marries Hisana
 * 50 y.a. - Rukia appears about 16 and enters academy
 * Renji appears about 17 and enters academy
 * Shūhei appears about 18 in his last year
 * 49 y.a. - Rukia graduates from academy
 * Shūhei graduates from academy
 * 44 y.a. - Renji graduates from academy

Looking at these cases, it looks like a soul reaches young adulthood at about 100 years of age. The scale within that time seems to be fairly consistent.

Assuming this, we can say with reasonable accuracy that Byakuya is about 10 years older than Shūhei, who is about 5 years older than Renji, who is about 5 years older than Rukia. To scale, they each appear to have only 1-2 years difference. This timescale works just fine, and Rukia's claim that she has lived nearly 10 of Ichigo's lifetimes is true.

It interesting to note that Hisana would be much older than Byakuya if she had been born in the Soul Society (she would have to have been born much earlier), but because she died as a human and entered, they are actually very near the same age. She does not age visibly in those 100 years.

After reaching young adulthood, souls age extremely slowly. These 4 appear to have changed very little in the last 50 years. All the other notable leaders in the Gotei 13 have no visible change in the last 110 years.

Finally, Yamamoto founded the academy about 2100 years ago. As the headmaster, he was already balding and appeared to be in his 40's, and he was incredibly skilled. Jūshirō and Shunsui were his first students and now themselves appear to be in their 30's. Considering them, after growing to adulthood, souls appear to age at about 1/100 the speed of humans. This puts Yamamoto probably around 5000 years old if he was born in the Soul Society.

This difference in rates also makes since from a biological standpoint, as growth and aging are totally separate processes. Growing at 1/6 the speed of a human and aging at 1/100 is plausible.

Take it as you will. KawaTsuyo (talk) 01:34, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Significant Timeline Error
I've been informed this is the best place to bring this up, so here goes.

So, as I was reading through some old chapter for no real reason, I stumbled upon this page from chapter 229 (this is another team's scan with the same date). Now, we currently have everything prior to Aizen's sentencing slated as happening on or before October 11th, and I believe I know why. The small timeskip happened on September 8th, and here and here Shinji states it has been a month since then, so presumably people thought it was exactly 1 month and didn't see the date in the chapter. Now, adjusting this would mean making a LOT of changes, so I'm leaving the decision of how to go about this to the discretion of this project's members on Sal's advice. Thanks in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 03:47, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Interest
I have noticed that lately the interest in working on this project has faded and that I have usually been the one to work on the project. I would like to get more active members for the group.

Dates don't line up with 2001
The information we've been given about dates precludes the story from beginning in 2001. As can clearly be seen in Chapter 17 and Episode 7, June 16 is a Thursday. June 16, 2001, was a Saturday, so setting the story in 2001 makes no sense. The nearest years with June 16 a Thursday are 1994 and 2005. KawaTsuyo (Talk) 14:59, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Problem here is that you would have to prove the point that actual real life dates match up in a fictional story. What we do have in relation to the real world where the story is directly involved is two cities that do not exist in the real world. We have a date that corresponds with the beginning of the series creation. There is no proof that the story takes place in the future or in the past from its creation date. So its far more likely in the world of the story 2001 featured a June 16 on a Thursday then featuring the literal real world equivalent of that date. In other words a made up date rather then a real one.--