Forum:Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck

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Nel Now
Did Nel retain her memory after she reverted to child form? We haven't seen her since nnoitra died and she said his name. Did that mean anything? what do you think? I hope she remembers everything and gains the ability to change to her adult form whenever she wants.Renshiro zaraki 00:48, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Nel Minor Query
I cannot help but wonder. Is there ANY indication what is the deal with her? I mean she has not shown up since she got beaten by Nnoritora. Exdeath64 18:26, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

There's a small comic of her in Volume 39 in those in-between chapter pages, but I didn't read the translation. She was apparently talking to Kenpachi, but that's all we know. Lia Schiffer 18:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Nel's Rank
Should Nel Tu be considered a privaron espada since she used to be an espada? I don't think they've said that in the series, but it makes since, doesn't it? And I'm not suggesting we include any sort of speculation in the article, I'm just asking a question. Darth Havoc 03:28, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I would say no. Privaron Espada have had their ranks taken away from them to make room for more power. Neliel was not kicked out, she was ambused and thrown into Hueco Mundo. - HuecoMuffin 23:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Privaron Espada are actually Hollow who attained Arrancar state naturally unlike the artificial ones made by Aizen, it was proven they are less powerful then the artificial ones and were removed from their former positions as espada to make room for the artificially made ones with more power. The Espada seem to gain and loose rank for a number of things such as losing honor or just not being powerful enough to hold on to their position when faced against another Espada or contender for the position. Grimmjaw briefly lost his position but was just considered the former 6th Espada for a time because he technically isnt privaron as he is not a natural arrancar or even formally kicked out. Salubri 04:40, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

The deffinition Ichimaru gave in Arrancar Research Time was that privaron espada are just former espada. There was nothing mentioned about them having to be natural arrancar; that's just what all of them have been so far. Darth Havoc 05:49, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, Nnoitra pretty much betrayed Neliel and turned her into a kid. If Aizen knew (not sure if he does), he would probably know that Neliel reverted into a child form as well, and she really wouldn't be useful to him anyway. Arrancar109 05:52, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, Dordonii stated that he and the other Privaron were created naturally. - HuecoMuffin 2:44, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Nel's Original Form
Ok Nelial is my favorite Arrancar by far so the question i would pose is. If Orihime heals her hollow mask will she go back to normal? She would be a great asset to restoring some peaceful order in hueco mundo to keep the other possible pocket coalitions of arrancar in line if she took control after aizens departure. It just seems kinda silly to leave her as a kid, when she is so much powerful and skilled as an adult. She is the only level headed and honorable Arrancar, she doesnt give in to bloodshed or cruel acts. It makes you wonder how she became a hollow and what was she like before being an arrancar. Salubri 20:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Couldnt Orihime fix Nel Tu's mask?
Im just wondering, with Orihime's powers couldnt she fix Nel's mask and bring her back to being Nelliel. why hasnt she done it yet! (idk if theres already a topic about this)One eyed king 00:26, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Thats a good question i would think so. There is the one instance that after Ichigo fought grimmjaw that he told orihime to heal nel but i dont think we ever see what came of it. Then after that was the Nnorita fight but i dont know if it happened the first time but considering that it is broken any healing she would give nel would most likely fix the mask.Salubri 00:39, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, she pretty much could. Since Orihime's powers revolve around rejecting fate, I think it would probably be child's play for her to repair Nel's mask and help her regain her powers, though I don't know if Pesche and Dondo Chakka would approve of that. Diodn't they stay on those forms to keep her away from the battlefield?--Moe1216 01:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I thought they only stay in those forms to keep her from remembering or something like that while shes in her child formOne eyed king 02:23, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, they only wanted to stop her rememebering, and its too late for that. It would be cool if Orihime fixed their masks, but whether that happens or not remains to be seen.

Orihime could fix Nel's mask and a few other things... but she is useless.. Yachiru kusajishi22 14:54, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Nel's dub voice
Is it just me or is the English dub of Nel too adult sounding? For example, instead of saying, "What's your welationship with Itsygo?" she says, "May I ask you what your relationship is with Itsygo?" For me, it kind of ruins her character a bit, since it's so different from the Japanese version or the manga. The only thing the dub retains from that is her tendency to call Ichigo "Itsygo," which just sounds out of place with her lack of other childish words/speech. It comes across more like she calls him Istygo to annoy him, not because she has a lisp. I think the way the Japanese dub and manga have it - with Nel being extremely childish, even in speech - contrasts nicely with the way Nelliel is. Unfortunately, I don't think the English dub is going to have the same affect. Boo. :( Twocents 03:18, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

She definitely sounds older in the dub than in the original. It really bothers me when stuff like that happens; a lot of the time I don't even bother watching the dubbed stuff because it's so bad. Although a couple of the Espada voices, from what I heard briefly in episode 145, were done well; I like Zommari's and Halibel's voice actors. But most of the time, in my opinion, dubbed anime sounds cheezy and wrong, especially if I've seen the original stuff with subtitles. Angeluscado 05:00, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I have nothing against dub in general, but I agree with Twocents; Nel doesn't sound enough like a kid, and the lisp thing was part of her character. Who knows why the dub didn't do it. My guess is that the translators and script writers didn't want to bother to redo the lisp writing. Arrancar109 05:08, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I'm gonna go against the tide and give Nel's voice a thumb's up. Mostly because its less of a nuisance to listen to dubs than to read subtitles and keep up with the action on screen.

I don't mind Nel's more adult tones either. She may be childish but she isn't really a child. That and I find screeching not all that pleasant to listen too. Great Cthulhu 09:48, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The voice doesnt sound 'kiddie' enough. The voice would probably work ok for Nelliel, but for Nel Tu....no TomServo101 12:47, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

This is just a personal preference, as I've gotten older I can't quite tolerate the higher pitched voices the Japanese seiyuu used for female characters; I used to watch a lot of anime subbed back in the 90's when I was more or less indifferent to it. I've started listening to dubs more frequently female NA voices aren't as high pitched and less grating on my eardrums, this doesn't mean the character is less annoying. What really surprises me is they left the word masochist in the broadcast; this would not necessarily be a term a little kid would know about. CN has in the past, even for their Adult Swim block has edited out some the references to alcohol or blood at least for Naruto which aired at an earlier time slot than Bleach. Prior to this they dropped the hot springs episode from Outlaw Star during it's run even though it was focused on plot line rather that the hot springs itself.Spacedone 04:02, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

While I like Bleach, it is one of THE WORST dubbed anime I have ever seen. Things seem to get lost in translation a lot, and I can recall when the dubbed version shortened Ichigo's dialogue, thus giving it "air time." Personally, I don't see other anime don't seem to have this problem. Animeluvr92 22:57, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Will Nelliel Return?
What do you guys think? Will Nelliel return to fight for the Shinigami? Phoenix saturn 00:13, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

I really, really hope so. She is such a cool character and easily my favorite Arrancar because she serves as a direct contrast to the majority of the Arrancar shown. Plus her crush on Ichigo is both cute and hilarious. And while I think she will continue to be an ally to Ichigo and his friends I doubt the Soul Reapers will want anything to do with her because she is still technically a Hollow. Who knows, they may make her an honorary ally like Ichigo. Andrew2383 01:45, June 20, 2010 (UTC)Andrew2383

Yeah. I think what she's doing now is either in her adult form and healing Grimmjow and converting him into something more of a good guy so she'll have someone to work with.Hockey Machete (talk) 14:18, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

I hope she does! She obviously isn't dead, last time we left her so she's probably cooking up some sort of scheme to get into the Human world. Bleachfreak817 (talk) 03:27, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Appearance and Transformation
Hey guys, don't you all think Nelliel is like Yoruichi? I see and think that they're both same as seen in cases of: durance and defection of their leaders (Yoruichi: Captain | Nelliel: Espada), leaving their affiliations, enabling Aizen foresee their betrayals/defections, transformation to shomething else, such as a cat (Yoruichi) or a little child (Nelliel) and also have the ability to transform back to their old woman forms.--Gran Danku 21:47, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

No, Yoruichi willingly left her old position, Nelliel lost her identity, Yorouichi can transform at will from human to cat and back, Nel has no control over her transformation. Also, many, many characters have large breasts so that is also out. Also, talk pages are not the place to discuss this, this should be moved to a forum post.--God (Pray)  21:56, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

So, where do I have the option to discuss these things if in forum posts and not in talk pages?--Gran Danku 22:07, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

You can discuss these things in forum posts. Talk pages are for discussions about the article and not the character.--God (Pray)  22:20, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

End of Deicide Arc Supposition
Since Nelliel is currently one of the only remaining living Arrancar (along with Loli and possibly Grimmjow), her fate as of now is somewhat of a mystery since she hasn't been accounted for. However, we do know that Mayuri Kurotsuchi has been visiting Hueco Mundo frequently, which is where we last saw her, which has some disturbing implications. Thoughts? Cptpreaplanes (talk) 03:34, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

I seriously doubt Kubo'd turn Nel into a test subject. Heck, Mayuri wouldn't leave a finger of her after he's done. More likely, Mayuri's gone to rip Szayel Aporro's lab apart. Blaze (Talk)  17:35, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

(Shudders) Well, I don't think Mayuri could have actually found her. Nel was closer to Nnoitora, last I checked, unless I'm forgetting something, and I know Mayuri could have looked around Las Noches, but there is the possibility Nel's either hiding under rubble, or Dondochakka and Pesche (who were alive when last seen) took her out of Hueco Mundo so she didn't get her memories back. ♥Phoenixfeather: Spring is Almost Here!♥  22:01, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Are we talking about the same Mayuri here? That guy will rip apart anything and anyone he's allowed to. Oh, and that orange afro guy Chad kicked the crap out of, that guy's alive too. Back on topic, he performs horrific experiments on anything he finds interesting, and a living, childlike arrancar he undoubtedly felt in her full powered adult form with power levels similar to Ichigo's (before his dangai training)? Yeah, I'm a bit worried because that would scream "interesting" to Mayuri. Cptpreaplanes (talk) 20:30, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Vasto Lorde
I was reading about Nel's background and realized that it was never stated what type of hollow she was. I think that she was a Vasto Lorde because in her resurrección, she has a weapon when most of the Espada that has been comfirmed that they were Vasto Lorde has a weapon before the evolved. Captain Skellie (talk) 02:40, August 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * It is entirely unknown what type of Menos she was. Having a weapon means nothing.--