Bleach Wiki:Chat/June 13, 2012

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Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [04:00]  Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [04:48]  Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [04:49] <Kris Brendel> Hello [04:51] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [06:15] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [06:28] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [06:28] <KuroAshi98> DAMN [06:28] <KuroAshi98> Just missed Morph. [05:48] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [07:27] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [07:42] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [08:01] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [08:03] <BROTHER BAN-KAI> Hey guys. DID YOU ALL SEE THAT?! STOLEN BANKAIs!!! Holy steal-my-bankai-Batman! What now? [08:04] <BROTHER BAN-KAI> It looked to me like Byakuya could have held back a little bit as his shikai seemed to hurt As Nodt but he decided to release anyway.... They are so owned.... [08:05] <BROTHER BAN-KAI> Morph, you gonna weigh in on this one? [08:07] <BROTHER BAN-KAI> Guess we will get to see Renji in action next week. Just does not last long enough... Wait all the way until the next Wednesday and 17pgs skip by like the leap year.... [08:08] <BROTHER BAN-KAI> Over much to soon. You almost read it again and again to make sure you did not miss anything...lol. [08:16] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [08:20] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [08:26] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [08:33] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [08:33] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> Hey Sun :3 [08:36] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [08:38] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [08:40] <SunXia> oh hey Kotsu hows things [08:53] <Salubri> well that was pointless [08:56] <Mohrpheus> Okay, it's too quiet. [08:56] <Mohrpheus> What was pointless? [08:58] <SunXia> what was pointless the chapter?? yeah [08:59] <SunXia> "lets go lose our Bankai and have useless weak characters stand there and pretend that even if it WAS a seal, they would have been able to do something anyway" [08:59] <SunXia> its actually becoming like bad fanon [08:59] <Mohrpheus> They could've. Maybe. [09:00] <Mohrpheus> At least they haven't been Kira'd. [09:00] <Mohrpheus> Or does Izuru'd sound better? Eh, too syllabley [09:01] <SunXia> i dont like using kira since thats a girls name [09:02] <SunXia> but no the entire thing was OOC [09:02] <Mohrpheus> I don't know about that [09:02] <SunXia> byakuya and Sui-Feng doing something like that is....just.....no [09:03] <Mohrpheus> I'm not sure what you mean [09:03] <Mohrpheus> I mean, it seemed apparent that they had an agreed upon strategy [09:03] <Mohrpheus> Since they need their Bankais to win [09:03] <SunXia> so they lose it [09:03] <Mohrpheus> And then they get it back. [09:04] <Mohrpheus> Seeing as Byakuya crapped his pants, they had no idea that they were actually stolen [09:04] <SunXia> if they had brought someone of captain level along i would have believed it was a viable strategy [09:04] <SunXia> actually missing aizen now [09:05] <Mohrpheus> Nonono. Aizen was so much worse than this [09:05] <Mohrpheus> Watching more than five captain-level characters get slapped around for ten chapters wasn't fun [09:05] <Salubri> this chapter was pointless [09:06] <SunXia> no im convinced this is worse the captains showing up to do...nothing but trust their VCs (who sui-Feng doesnt trust at all) is not within their ways at all [09:06] <Salubri> I know Kubo is trying to do his thing but to be honest I havent been feeling the storyline since before the fullbringers [09:07] <SunXia> and watching four captain lose their abilities without so much as a fight not fun at all [09:07] <Salubri> ^ [09:07] <Mohrpheus> Watching them fight first would have been even more pointless [09:07] <Salubri> ^ [09:08] <SunXia> the entire thing was pointless [09:08] <Salubri> I just dont like the way he is doing this story [09:08] <Mohrpheus> Though frankly, I wish they had left out the Bankai sealing thing all together [09:08] <Salubri> i keep looking at it and thinking he isnt even trying anymore i think the the arrancar arc burned him out [09:08] <SunXia> i dislike it its as bad a muramasa [09:08] <Salubri> i wish that too mohrp [09:09] <Mohrpheus> Well, to be honest, the story telling in Bleach has always been subpar. Well, maybe not the SS arc [09:09] <Mohrpheus> Once it hit Hueco Mundo, things got, eh [09:09] <Salubri> yea but least you could wrap your head around it, i dont expect it to me FMA:B status but at least decent [09:09] <SunXia> the SS arc and early Arrancar arc was awesome, then the ulquiorra fight made me remember what made early bleach great and then..... [09:11] <Salubri> least you can tell we are true fans lol, we can be objective enough to criticize instead of worship everything he does even if it aint great. [09:11] <SunXia> his whole aizen early thing was amazing but once he put out that secret he keeps tyring to shock us and its like.....hes never going to shock us like that again [09:11] <Mohrpheus> He almost got me with Kugo. And then he made him evil after all. [09:12] <Salubri> yea that was stupid [09:12] <SunXia> he should have just left Tsukishima as the bad guy his abilities scared the crap outta me [09:12] <Salubri> ^ [09:12] <SunXia> but no he was actually a weak little underling who was NICEr than kugo [09:13] <Salubri> well not nicer, sadistic and arrogant [09:13] <Salubri> yes [09:14] <Mohrpheus> The whole Shinigami representative thing in general was just bad. Fullbring alone could have held up if they hadn't made the plot revolve around some convoluted plot twist. I liked the arc because of the mysteriousness it had towards the beginning, but that just devolved into another training arc [09:14] <Mohrpheus> Followed by an ending more rushed than the Arrancar arc's [09:15] <SunXia> i actually dont think i would have minded it kugo just turned out to have been a spy but the main bad-guy twist and one so weak made it crap [09:15] <Mohrpheus> It was a wasted opportunity for the side cast too. The arc was supposed to "be about" Chad, and even Orihime had an upgrade [09:16] <Salubri> It would have worked if it was actually was about chad [09:16] <SunXia> yeah i would have preferred it if chad had been fighting [09:16] <Mohrpheus> We finally had villains weak enough for them to handle, and instead we have the Shinigami stomp them into the ground [09:16] <Salubri> instead lets make it all about ichigo even though it make no sense [09:17] <SunXia> it was a piss poor attempt to make Ukitake look a little darker too [09:17] <Mohrpheus> It could have worked better if it actually amounted to anything. If Kugo actually had a tangible reason to hate Soul Society [09:17] <SunXia> "oh no he didnt tell me what it did even though Ichigo listens to sweet FA when taught" [09:18] <Salubri> thats where that arc failed, instead of letting ichigo struggle to get his powers back naturally, they forced it just so his look could change a bit [09:18] <SunXia> he creates too many characters and ignored them [09:19] <Salubri> this arc they couldnt wait 5 seconds to have him in bankai [09:19] <Mohrpheus> Is it sad that Unagiya was my favorite thing in that entire arc? [09:19] <SunXia> and his is oing to be bankai for next 3 years again [09:19] <Salubri> the character creation wouldnt be bad if he actually did something with them [09:19] <SunXia> when she is the only person who did anything new and exciting [09:20] <Mohrpheus> And I wouldn't expect anything different from Ichigo. Raw power is all he knows. Any ability he has ever had just makes him better at it or do it differently. [09:20] <SunXia> Yeah Sal, i wouldnt have minded a few chapters of Orihime training and Sado too how he met them [09:21] <Salubri> this is the issue in bleach with adding new characters, we recently got some new cannon fodder shinigami that are pointless, though i enjoy knowing the different seats i mainly refer to the two new protectors talk about pointless [09:21] <Mohrpheus> I had hopes for them, but they're gone now. That one chapter cover made it look like Ichigo was gonna take on a mentorship role or something. [09:22] <Salubri> then kubo has everyone salivating over the Royal Guard, but if we can recall they are just gonna be new characters too, what irks me that the excitement about them is unfounded its based entirely on speculation of what ifs and maybes [09:22] <Mohrpheus> "They hunt Menos Grande." That's literally all we know about them. [09:22] <Salubri> yep [09:23] <SunXia> i think he wrote that before he decided on using arrancar i mean what are menos to arrancar lol [09:23] <Mohrpheus> But the rule of Kubo says that if a character says something with exaggerated shadows on their face and a black background, it becomes this big thing [09:24] <Mohrpheus> So when Shunsui was all "Division Zerooooo!", everybody jumped to conclusions [09:24] <SunXia> wasnt that like years ago?? post-nnoitra death?? [09:25] <Mohrpheus> Yeah. [09:25] <Salubri> but the assumption is they must be soo powerful if they protect the spirit king. Well what i do know is that they are shinigami which means no different then other captains they have kido, hakuda, shunpo and shikai and bankai (which is interesting seeing as the bad guys can steal them), they dont see normal combat either. The way i feel about it is until we see them and unless they are upgraded or something. im not buying. The secret service protects the president that doesnt make them better then the standing military though. [09:26] <Mohrpheus> Flashy outfits. Does that count? [09:26] <SunXia> yes unless the Spirit Kings worlds is wracked with strong spirit beings i wont be impressed [09:26] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [09:27] <SunXia> lets be honest here, why do you need other protectors when you have yama-ji if theres been nobody more powerful than him in millenia? [09:28] <Mohrpheus> Same reason it isn't called the Gotei 1 I guess [09:29] <SunXia> oh thats fine, him having underlings i dont mind [09:29] <Mohrpheus> I mean, nobody wants to put all their eggs into one basket [09:29] <Mohrpheus> But Yama is a pretty big basket [09:30] <Salubri> These guys would have to have zanpakuto that can create black holes and warp reality or something for them to matter to me [09:30] <SunXia> then these new badguys are a bath-tub [09:31] <Mohrpheus> This is the same reason I've pretty much lost interest in the novel [09:33] <Salubri> yep [09:34] <SunXia> in all these chapters, they are pretty much nullifying everyone, the captains and lets not forget they absorb orihimes abilities [09:34] <Mohrpheus> Yeah... chances are, that's not exclusive to Biskiel. Hell, if all these guys have Vollstandig [09:35] <SunXia> the only thing that could save this for me is if uryu and his father were like the saviors of the day for a tiny bit but for some reason that will be ridiculous Ichigo will be immune!!! pow pow pow [09:35] <SunXia> actually the visored thing might contribute but still that would be "oh ichigo is amazing" again [09:36] <Mohrpheus> Well, we still have four more "special war potentials" [09:36] <Salubri> basically, besides i gave on Uryu and Ryuken, they arent on these guys level, well Uryu. The full capability of Ryuken is questionable still [09:36] <Mohrpheus> Whoever the hell those are [09:36] <SunXia> well the way uryu dropped out was suspicious to me it was right away as if "alright bye" [09:37] <Mohrpheus> What was the clear translation on what Kirge said anyway? Was he surprised that Uryu's arrow was stronger than his, or that it was weaker? [09:37] <SunXia> "we arent going to save the world or anything, too bad you cant come along even for tactical support" [09:37] <Salubri> yea see what Quincy can really do [09:38] <Salubri> i think bleach would have been better for me if Ichigo was born a soul in Soul Society. The human world and his friends in seem so secondary, i think that wouldnt be true if he was from Soul Society [09:38] <SunXia> my problem is that yes, Orihime can heal but lets face it in a battle of do or die shes a hindrance and uryu is useful in the genius way but yeah urahara is there still or did kubo forget hes along for the ride?? [09:39] <Mohrpheus> My only stupid theory is that these Quincies aren't human and that the Ishidas are just the same kind of byproduct that the Arrancar pseudo-Quincies were [09:39] <SunXia> yeah at this point, the lack of giving a tripe about karakura story wise, who cares if they all die if theyre doing zilch [09:40] <Mohrpheus> Because apparently they can just pat you on the back and you suddenly think you're a Quincy with your own pentacle and everything [09:40] <Salubri> Yea if ichigo was born a soul and went to the academy to learn and all or maybe he was just a natural like kenpachi and his father was missing and he was raised by his mother with his sisters or something, then there wouldnt be any need for these ass backwards twists that make no sense. [09:41] <Mohrpheus> None of this has ever been personal for Ichigo. That kind of storyline would've put him closer to Aizen [09:42] <Salubri> exactly [09:42] <Salubri> why is it i can make a better storyline off the top of my head [09:42] <Salubri> lol [09:42] <Mohrpheus> Hell, even Kugo would have made more sense. The concept of a human who became a Shinigami being the enemy [09:42] <Mohrpheus> And then going renegade [09:43] <Salubri> exactly, and alot can stay the same too [09:43] <Salubri> orihime and chad could be his friends [09:43] <Salubri> still [09:44] <Salubri> just change around some origin stuff for ichigo [09:45] <Mohrpheus> Being a "Rukongai slumdog" could have worked as well as "mere human" [09:45] <Mohrpheus> Or better [09:47] <Salubri> exactly the human world thing doesnt seem to flow well at all, like none of it is even really important to Ichigo, I brought this all up in my blog [09:51] <SunXia> slum dog lol probably why rukia and Hitsugaya were so popular [09:55] <Salubri> i wonder what Rose's bankai is, following his shikai being a whip probably [09:55] <Mohrpheus> Hard to tell. [09:56] <Mohrpheus> Suifeng's went from a needle to a missile launcher [09:56] <Mohrpheus> Definitely something musical though [09:56] <Salubri> yea i have a feeling he dropped the ball on releases a while ago, like he couldnt think of anything good [09:57] <Mohrpheus> I don't know, I liked the missile lol. Just the sheer irony. [09:57] <Salubri> im bound not to be impressed any more then i am with the stories. [09:57] <Salubri> i guess it was made to be ironic [09:57] <Mohrpheus> But a lot of releases just seem to be generic or mildly interesting-looking weapons with no apparent weapons [09:57] <Mohrpheus> abilities I mean [09:58] <SunXia> i was so disappoint by love, lisa and hiyori shikais so boring [09:58] <Mohrpheus> I liked Love's [09:58] <Mohrpheus> The other two, not so much [09:58] <SunXia> i found them to be as uninspiring as omaedas [09:59] <Mohrpheus> The variety hurts the concept as much as it helps it. A lot of people are only interested in the elaborate ones that have a dozen abilities [10:00] <Mohrpheus> Hence, having a main character with the simplest one possible seems to be a weak point [10:01] <Mohrpheus> I mean, I hate Tosen, but his Zanpakuto was one of my favorites. Two separate shikais and a Bankai with an interesting, powerful effect [10:03] <Salubri> well to be fair we dont know if hiyoris and lisa's have abilities [10:06] <Mohrpheus> True. [10:06] <SunXia> well if they do then great but i dislike just anything other than a sword [10:06] <Mohrpheus> But the presentation seems to mean a lot. Certain characters have a lot of hype built around their releases [10:09] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [10:10] <SunXia> well considering the hype put up with the visoreds yeah disappointing [10:17] <Salubri> well we forget Rose's zanpakuto seems to be based on music and thats alot of variety but his first showing as most of the visoreds was disappointing, which we have to blame on Kubo. How do u have a situation thats serious and all the combatants that can use bankai dont for some unexplained reason. The combatants that you said were very powerful didnt seem like it either. It wasnt a proper way to handle the situation cause it leaves holes in consistency [10:18] <Mohrpheus> Shunsui was the only one that really had an excuse. [10:19] <SunXia> an excuse?? for?? [10:19] <Mohrpheus> Not releasing Bankai. [10:20] <SunXia> for that i was making the excuse that theyd have slaughtered those around them because i wanted to make excuses for the war without the weapons [10:21] <Salubri> But as i was saying regardless of his zanpakuto he is no shinigami he's a visored. I maybe inclined to think that if Tosen can use a resurreccion then the visored can possibly as well. [10:23] <Mohrpheus> Given the difference in how they got their powers, probably not would be my guess [10:24] <Mohrpheus> Plus Ichigo having a Resurreccion would just make him faster and stronger and otherwise doing the same thing over and over lol [10:29] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [10:35] <Salubri> well u forget something mohrp. You recall what Kensei and Mashiro turned into when they first were infected. Also remember what Ichigo turned into when he fought Ulquiorra at the end. [10:36] <Mohrpheus> True. So Tosen's mask form was that except he had control over it, perhaps [10:37] <SunXia> hmmmm resurrecion.....next step?? [10:38] <SunXia> my thing about ichigo and resurrecion, he already spams getsuga which is a spiritual pressure blast which cero is a form of as well [10:39] <Mohrpheus> Exactly. Nothing would really change. [10:39] <SunXia> if ichigo through a new resurrecion maybe gained more control rather than uncontrollable power then maybe id like it [10:40] <Mohrpheus> I always kinda hoped he'd end up sealing his sword just so we could see if that thing Zangetsu said was the release command [10:40] <Salubri> well regardless of all that yea, uncontrolled resureccion, previously controlled by the inner hollow. [10:40] <SunXia> the only way ichigo can evolve is to learn control i think, the only control he does is suppresses it into zangetsu and releases, thats childs play really [10:41] <Salubri> true [10:41] <Salubri> even tetsusaiga has more abilities then zangetsu [10:41] <Mohrpheus> Tessaiga was pretty cool though. It could steal abilities and adapt them into a cutting form [10:42] <Mohrpheus> Even if half of them do become pretty much obsolete... [10:43] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [10:43] <SunXia> dc'd [10:43] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [10:44] <SunXia> i think it would be cool if he was able to seal his sword, i would equate it with poddy training, i mean its HIS reiatsu, we all learn not to just leak whenever we feel the urge [10:44] <Mohrpheus> I dunno. If its maximum is as vast as it was when he fought Aizen, then I imagine any sort of control being difficult [10:45] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [10:45] <Mohrpheus> I mean, even his sealed sword was pretty large. Making it smaller would take even more control presumably [10:46] <Salubri> yea here's something for u, how does Kenpachi fit into this situation he is a very powerful captain but has no bankai to steal [10:48] <Mohrpheus> Depends on what his max is I guess. [10:48] <Mohrpheus> Hitting things really harder [10:48] <Salubri> Hes a captain, skilled with a sword, immense strength, vast spiritual power and Doesnt know kido, doesnt know shunpo, does know the name of his zanpakuto and doesnt know how to use bankai [10:49] <SunXia> (reminded of Ayon here who was just power) [10:50] <Salubri> he can either be the poster boy for why being a total badass doesnt require you to need to use a bankai or he get taken out like all the others. Either way knowing Kenpachi he will enjoy himself for the fight at least assuming they will even give him one [10:51] <SunXia> see i think i would have loved the end of the Arrancar Arc so much more if ALL the Espada had of invaded, like an army [10:51] <SunXia> i think it was so stupid given at the start of that battle, Aizen was all "dont have to do a thing chill guys" [10:52] <SunXia> i mean he said he took orihime to handicap the captains, ok if you are going to handicap them at least have a lot of soldiers to fight with [10:52] <SunXia> however, this arc, is kinda doing that but on too big of a "whoosh" level [10:52] <Salubri> Out of all the captain Mayuri and Urahara im not really worried about. Mayuri excels at planning, so you know what was on his mind the moment he knew what they were dealing with, then he gets readings off when they actually show up, so by time he enters the picture he is pretty immune to what they can bring against him. Urahara on the otherhand is always steps ahead of everyone. He observes the situation and will handle it accordingly. [10:53] <SunXia> one extreme to the next [10:53] <SunXia> oh yeah i said in my blog comment that if they had of done this stealing thing with him would have made more sense, he excels at quelling messed up abilities mayuri does [10:54] <Salubri> Even if they had invaded though, it wouldnt have been like this. [10:54] <SunXia> see if theres going to be a battle with one opponent annihilating the other, they did it well in Ulquiorra final fight, there was some fighting them smack down but this..... [10:56] <SunXia> i dont like how ichigo, most of the time, struggles to win and then if theres a bad guy they wipe floor easily, i want to see a bad guy struggle to win, still win but still struggle too because then it makes them eventually beig overpowered unbelievable [10:56] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [10:57] <Achrones150> &lt;_&lt; [10:58] <Achrones150> Hi. :3 [10:59] <Achrones150> Wut. No "hi" back? :&lt; [11:00] <Salubri> yea like Ichigo fought Grimmjow and barely made it but then we see he was no match for Nnorita who was one level up from grimmjow, that makes sense. Kenpachi comes proving Ichigo's power isnt consistent nor does he know how to use it even compared to the most undisciplined captain in the Gotei 13. Then all the sudden he is strong enough to take on Ulquiorra whose twice as high as Grimmjow. How does this make sense [11:02] <Achrones150> Because Kubo. [11:02] <SunXia> Sorry hi Acrones [11:02] <SunXia> nice having yah bit of an intense chapter day rage going on [11:03] <Achrones150> Quincies have the best troll faces. [11:04] <SunXia> well i like to think ichigo THOUGHT he was strong enough, i think Ulquiorra only went second resurrecion was a little change in him, a tiny desire to show off, i could have beaten him in the first release before Ichigo went hollow [11:05] <SunXia> troll faces?? [11:06] <Salubri> the second resureccion was simply a plot device, that was used for the hollow form, cause ichigo getting up wasnt going to be possible with a huge hole in his chest, and they had already determined that Orihime the master of rejecting events for some reason couldnt reject that. It just opened alot of dumb doors that should have stayed closed [11:07] <Achrones150> You know. The end page of the chapter where Byakuya's basically saying "we're screwed"? [11:07] <Achrones150> The Quincy was making a troll face. [11:07] <SunXia> sorry i am unfamiliar with troll faces or trolls in general [11:07] <SunXia> i just think "rude people" [11:07] <SunXia> To be honest i dont think kubo thought past the SS arc [11:07] <SunXia> really [11:08] <SunXia> and then wen it got huge he just kept going "huge" to get reactions [11:09] <Salubri> yea thats whats so disappointing, i mean i guess you can fool kids with that, but not adults. I mean idk what the demographic is in Japan maybe its primarily a kids series there but here its primarily people who arent so young and can tell when something just isnt right. [11:10] <Achrones150> -facepalm- You do not know what a troll face is? Here: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111214064523/halo/images/d/dc/Troll_face.png [11:10] <SunXia> yeah is it kids?? i mean i would never let me kids watch or read it, it is an adult series [11:11] <Achrones150> It's basically a grin made out of someone else's misfortune. [11:11] <SunXia> oh so a rude face [11:12] <Achrones150> Uh...yeah. A "rude" face. [11:13] <Salubri> well shonen is basically for the young crowd. If it wanted to be serious it would be seinen is for the 18 and up crowd. Though there is a good amount of Shonen that rides the edge of that genre [11:15] <SunXia> it is such a shame that it is for kids :( [11:16] <Achrones150> Wonder what kind of kids watch people getting cut up. &lt;_&lt; [11:16] <SunXia> shonen isnt limited by censor, the aime was eventually [11:16] <SunXia> *anime [11:16] <Achrones150> "Hey, mom, I just learned the multiple ways of using a knife! Wanna see?" [11:18] <Mohrpheus> That's Japan for you. They can trust their children not to do stupid stuff like that. Most of the time [11:19] <Salubri> well the violence is fine as long as there is no nudity or sex. Kids can play call of duty and blow each other up and grand theft auto and kill cops and all that stuff and parents dont care as long as no one is having sex or exposing their breasts. Least here in America that the way we do it, violence is fine but sex no. Hence why we have so many teen pregnancies (cause young teens are taught about sex properly) and violent crimes (cause young people arent raised properly) we are basically loosing on both fronts lol [11:20] <SunXia> yeah there are parents blaming violence on video games but games and films, they are rated for a reason, its their parenting [11:20] <Salubri> But notice Bleach officially on comes on tv on a Saturday at 12am. I dont know many young kids allowed up that late [11:21] <SunXia> i know lots of kids up at that time on a weekend these days [11:21] <Salubri> yea its always been the parenting, people just dont want to take responsibility for sucking at not being responsible [11:21] <Achrones150> &lt;.&lt; [11:24] <SunXia> they use this excuse of "dont want my kids to want for anything" well sheesh then how do people learn how to take rejection, being told no, being punished in work for stepping out of line [11:26] <SunXia> beating kids is bad but they have went from one extreme to the next people dnt know how to deal with failure [11:26] <SunXia> thus you have these school shootings or that massacre in japan with the dude driving into a crowd and knifing those who help [11:27] <Achrones150> Happiness and rainbows! :D [11:28] <Achrones150> In the next ten years, we're gonna be saying "Hi" to each other while delivering crosses to each other's face. [11:28] <Salubri> abusing kids is bad there is a difference, I got my butt beat when i was bad, so did my brother, my cousins, my parents, my aunts, my uncles, my grandparents, my great grandparents, great aunts and uncles you name. No one has been abused and everyone is better for it. I cant speak for others though [11:29] <SunXia> i never got hit, but my dad would have lifted my by the scruff and scared the crap out of me, he made sure i knew there was consequences to disrespect [11:29] <Achrones150> "I beat my kid with a switch and joked about it with my friends. :D" [11:29] <Salubri> i was raised to not speak to adults without respect, to respect my home, my property, other peoples property, to be respectful and all that stuff. [11:29] <SunXia> he did slap my brothers bum from time to time though [11:31] <Salubri> respect and discipline thats whats lacking. Parents now they dont care they get all surprised that their kids are cussing them out and everything. Heres an idea maybe u should realize they are the kids and your the adult, its not your job to be their friend and you shouldnt leave them to believe that they are equals with you. I dont know about you guys but im an adult i dont negotiate with children. [11:33] <SunXia> see all the kids in my family love me, i play with them but they know not to cross me my nephew obeys me, not his mommy [11:33] <Achrones150> Sounds like you'd be a perfect bully, lol. [11:33] <SunXia> and i love that child like he is my own, i taught him how to talk, i wouldnt give him his toys until he learnt to identify colors and objects [11:34] <Salubri> sounds like youd be the perfect pushover, lol [11:34] <Salubri> teach that kid sun lol, get him learning and into college [11:35] <Salubri> then you can say i did that lol [11:35] <Achrones150> Not a pushover. More of a liberal. [11:35] <Mohrpheus> Sunny is soooo mean [11:35] <SunXia> parenting is about boundaries and balance, he doesnt have a father now so he has to know authority [11:36] <Salubri> im as liberal as they come but i dont allow kids to act like adults. They are kids they should get to be kids, its about respect. Nobody said beat kids up for no reason or because your just sadistic thats a bully. [11:37] <Salubri> Your right sun it is about boundaries and balance [11:37] <SunXia> its is scientifically proven that kids dont think with the mature part of their brains, thats why they need guidance [11:37] <Achrones150> That's a bit of a stereotype. [11:37] <Salubri> a good amount of bullies are actually the kids with no guidance or bad parents [11:37] <SunXia> but your boundaries have to be firm, if you say there is to be a punishment for crossing a line you have to enforce it [11:38] <Mohrpheus> Could someone revert this edit to Kenpachi's page? Someone slapped some junk onto it [11:38] <Salubri> such as [11:38] <SunXia> stereotypes are against other people because they are different, children are not adults, a lot of their personalities and attitudes are shaped by environment rather than genetics [11:38] <Achrones150> "Kids acting like kids"? [11:38] <Mohrpheus> At the end of the personality section. "Not really. He's very contradictory." [11:39] <Salubri> kids should have a chance to be kids instead they are forced into being adults [11:39] <Salubri> then undo it [11:39] <Achrones150> They don't have to be forced into being adults. [11:39] <SunXia> i never said kids acting like kids, i said kids think with a different part of their brain because other parts of their brain havent matured yet [11:40] <Achrones150> No, not you, Sun. I'm talkin' to Salubri. [11:40] <Salubri> what do you think it is when they are allowed to act as though they were adults to adults. [11:40] <Mohrpheus> Ah, so he was trying to delete the intro sentence. Okay, nevermind then [11:41] <Achrones150> I'd be proud if I had a son that could act like an adult. [11:41] <Achrones150> Or daughter. [11:41] <Mohrpheus> Being mature and acting like an adult are entirely different things [11:41] <Mohrpheus> Unfortunately [11:42] <Salubri> a kid is gonna be a kid, its part of their job to try you as an adult to see how much they can get away with. As an adult you deal with that. But a 4 yr old shouldnt be cussing you out and telling you what to do. Acting like a mature adult is something you gradually grow into starting around the teenage years. [11:42] <Achrones150> Cussing and bossing people around isn't being an adult. THAT'S being a kid.