Forum:New Developments

Ok so Aizen takes out Harribel and tells her that he is basically disappointed and pissed off because he went to all the trouble of gathering the espada and he alone is more powerful then all of them. The he goes on to say that it is time to basically start the fight and calls out the Gotei 13 and what he terms as shabby arrancar wannabes. Now I wont say its confirmation by any means but I will say that these two accounts for Aizen would clear up at least for me 2 outstanding questions. 1> The top Espada are in fact no more then extremely power adjhucas made even more powerful by shinigamification as it is seriously doubtful that Aizen is alone more more powerful then a handful of vasto lorde class arrancar. 2> He obviously is unimpressed with the Vizard and seems to think they are inferior to the Arrancar and seeing as for the longest time he has dealt in shinigamification it would stand to reason that the notion of becoming a vizard himself never accured to him and was seemingly unappealing as he somewhat states. Hopefully if anyone else choices to see those point it will put those two bits of gross speculation to rest.Salubri 08:37, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

I will agree that the current chapter does in fact seem to indicate that Aizen decided there is no point in breaking the wall between Shinigami and hollow from Shinigami side, I can't agree that it definitively indicates that the top two were not Vasto lords. I never thought that Harribel was but we have seen Barragan in his pre-arrancar days and he looks NOTHING like the confirmed adjuchas and it's not like we haven't seen adjuchas. Not saying it confirms him as a Vasto lord but he is the closest thing to the description of Vasto lord we do have. Then there is Starrk, who was so powerful that he couldn't live with other hollows... again doesn't say he is a Vasto Lord but it is a point in that column. To me what Aizen comments say is that he's disappointed with the whole arrancar thing. To begin with, when he came to Karakura Town he was saying, to Gin minus any other audience save Tosen, that he believe the espada would wipe the floor with the Gotei 13. If the top three were just adjuchas I doubt Aizen would be so confident of his victory. No, I think at least Starrk and Barragan were Vasto Lord and the fact that they were defeated has lead Aizen to be so severely disappointed that he didn't even wait for Harribel to finish fighting. I think his statement is more "I give up! Even Vasto Lord class arrancar are nothing but shit", not "None of you were Vasto Lords, I knew I should have waited to get more of them". I don't know if Kubo will ever confirm who is and who isn't a Vasto Lord, but I hope that when these chapters come out in the form of manga volumes, he'll include a profile page that'll settle this question. Until then, I am maintaining my position that Starrk and Barragan at least were Vasto Lord and Aizen just pulled the plug on this entire arrancar project because even his vasto lord arrancars failed him. Tinni 09:24, October 2, 2009 (UTC)