Forum:Aizen & co. ¿Vizards?

HERE ONLY APPEARS THINKS THAT I HAD THINK ABOUT, IT IS UNSURE TO APEAR IN THE MANGA.

hello, so, im going to say one thing might can be.

i think that Aizen, Tousen and Gin might will bee vizard ( have a mask ) so... i think, in the current battle against the gotei 13.

if one of the battles were.

Kensei,mashiro,komamura and hisagi. versus Tousen.

i think that Tousen only would be at the same level against the four united, habing vecoming a vizard, or hanging one vizard mask.

i thing that Aizen, will do the same if her rivals were Shinji and Yamamoto

so ¿what did you think?Hexanort 22:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

PD: so ¿you think that Aizen & co are Vizards?

I think they might be to reason being why such thee espada are scared when they are supposed to be vasto lordes which have greater power than a shinigami at captain level but ii dont think it would take four just to fight tosen maybe gin since he is one of the captains that never revealed his bankai

I think they might be to reason being why such thee espada are scared when they are supposed to be vasto lordes which have greater power than a shinigami at captain level but ii dont think it would take four just to fight tosen maybe gin since he is one of the captains that never revealed his bankai--Hitsugaya3194 22:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

But. Tousens Bankai... i think that isnt easy to defeat it. remember wen kempachi defeats it, Kenpachi needed to "touch" suzumushi to sense tosen. and if tousen was a vizard. i mean, if tousen puts a mask i think that his bankai will change. PD: in the pendulum ark. tousen defeats mashiro, the other guys working with him, and the vizards with his bankai.

so. might tousen have another zanpakutoh? i say this because, ¿wasnt suzumushi Tousens friends zampakutoh?

didnt know. Hexanort 23:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I think to even put that out there you would need proof of which there is none at all. All that is shown is that Aizen's spiritual pressure is overwhelming to Grimmjaw, there is nothing to show the top three being afraid of aizen at all but that they respect him and his power. Also there is no evidence of any one of the top three being a vasto lorde. Also the concept of turning one into a vizard is complicated and dangerous process, which isnt an exact thing it happens by chance. While aizen is shown constantly manipulating and using others he would not put himself in a situation he couldn't get out of. The vizard's themselves wouldn't have survived the hollowfication if not for urahara's intervention. In the event they fight it will be regular shinigami verses vizard. As if they were vizard they would have to deal with the same hollow situation ichigo does. I seriously doubt something like that in aizen would be easy for him to beat if at all. Also there is no proof tosen's zanpakuto isn't his, its just assumed because of the way the panels are drawn its never seen or even mentioned after that. Also one soul cant have two zanpakuto as a zanpakuto has its own spirit which is part of the wielders soul, hence why one person cant use anothers zanpakuto.Salubri 23:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

¿But.. didnt Tousen get his zanpakutoh from his dead friend?

where is her real zanpakutoh...

so maybe her friends zanpakutoh had assimilated tousens feelings towars her prior owner.

PD: weh... im gona return to the original question of the talk. Hexanort 00:55, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Aizen once mentioned the only way he could be more powerful is if he became a Vizard, or so I recall. (I could be wrong.) Foreshadowing?

Anyway, I have no proof, but I hope so. Those two captains are weak, and the villains need to win for once. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 01:12, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

There is nothing that ever said that Tosen got his zanpakuto from his dead friend. That is an assumption. There is nothing that says that it is even possible for a zanpakuto to switch wielders due to anything. yes Aizen did mention it but it was in conversation explaining to Ichigo what he was after and why he was after it, he never specifically stated toward anything that can be seen as actual foreshadowing, now that i think of it nothing he has said has ever been much in the way of foreshadowing, he is usually upfront about what he says or doesn't say it at all. But in any case this topic has been talked about before there can be defeats and so forth but unless you want the series to end the bad guys wont win. The entire series is based upon the necessity of the shinigami fulfilling their roles as keepers of the balance which wouldnt happen if they lost and therefore the end of existence.Salubri 02:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

If Tousen didnt get his Zanpakuto from his dead friend then someone needs to fix his page because his page says it as well. And if its possible for two persons to have the same Zanpakuto then why cant they switch users? Tealang99 12:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

ehh... Tousen did take the zanpakutoh... that was in her friend casket, ¿no? (PD: Imagine: yama-jii dies and aizen took his zampakutoh, -¡great power!... ¡for me!) XD

Hexanort 13:34, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok well that was changed because the original decision is that the manga and anime are ambiguous they never state that he did nor is it ever brought up again. So until it can be confirmed it doesn't say that, as if it did it would be assumption thats not based on concrete evidence. Having said that a spirit can be attuned to two people but thats from the start with both having access to it not after the death of one. Nor is it known whether tosen had the zanpakuto prior to visiting her grave. Hence why the idea isn't credible.Salubri 14:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

actually Salubri in the manga it clearly states that tousen did take his zanpakutou from his dead friend so dont say he didn't, cause many members here including myself tend to believe your word as law

Well, I think Tite Kubo's is law, but that's just me.. what we all do here is give our personal opinions and some may seem more reasonable than others. Like if Tousen had a mask and was a vizard, why would take Kensei who was already a captain one century ago and had around the same time to perfect his hollow powers and 2 more to fight on equal foot against him? That's just unreasonable. The traitors are obviously strong but looking at experience and age, Vizards would be the correct choice on pure power and destruction. However, we don't know how uber strong and unreachable Kubo has made Aizen. Deimonos 17:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)