Talk:Nanao Ise

Fake Karakura Town
Since she never made an appearance in the Fake Karakura arc, and that arc is over, should you people delete her fake karakura town arc section entirely? Benihime101 | LA GRAN BABUSHKA 07:38, March 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * That section should never have been there in the first place. It is gone now. 11:23, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

Kido Expert?
Se was able to create a Kidou that rejects Quincy. Not simply use one that already existed, but create it. Also, based on Jugram comment (looking at cnet translation), her ability to create Kido seem to be well known. Based on this, I think classifying her as a Kido Expert may be an understatement. People like Matsumoto are classified as such just because they can use Tentei Kura. Being able to create a Kidou, wouldn't be more accurate to classify Nanao as Kido Master? - Gorenja (talk) 11:39, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

No. Not everyone is a master. Everyone has skills that set them apart which they are known for. Rukia is skilled in Kido more then her other abilities. Nanao stands out cause thats the only skill she really is capable of, even according to her its what got her to be lieutenant level. If she was more capable then that she would likely be Kido Corp and not Gotei 13 or even one of the more powerful lieutenants. The creation of one counter spell thats temporary is not enough to put her on Tessai or hachi's level.--

I never said everyone is a master, I said that Nanao, who is able to create Kidou by herself (and apparently did it in the past as well, since Jugram was aware of her ability), should be seen as one. The only other Shinigami we saw who were (officially) able to create Kidou were Urahara and Tessai (possibly Hacchi as well), both are listed as Kidou masters.

Granted that Urahara and Tessai are on a god-like level when it comes to Kidou, so I can see why be wary of not grouping Nanao with them. But at the same time the Shinigami who are listed in the wikia as Kido Experts are Shinigami who can use Kidou in the 60 or 70-tier. It doesn't seem quite accurate to have someone who is able to create her own Kidou in the same group of mastery as people who can do some mid-high level Kidou with the help of chants.

I mean, Byakuya is listed as a Kido master in this wiki just because he can use things like Bakudo #81. How exactly that is enough for him to be a Master, but creating Kido that even Captains can't use isn't? - Gorenja (talk) 15:40, October 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Because Byakuya displayed an extreme level of strength with Kidō without incantation, as well as using a wide variety of Kidō moves. Nanao currently has only been seen using the one, and the reason why the other captains don't know it is because she never even thought of teaching it to them.
 * I always use cnet translation as a refference because his is the more reliable I am aware of. And the lines according to him:


 * Haschwalth: First Division Assistant Lieutenant Ise Nanao. // Is this Kidou of your making?
 * Nanao: I see my reputation precedes me. // I was appointed to my Lieutenant position purely on the merit of my skills with Kidou. / Creating a Kidou of this level was hardly a challenge.
 * ^^^According to this, Nanao has a reputation of being able to create Kidou and this is something she can do with ease.


 * Haschwalth: Are the other Captains capable of using it?
 * Nanao: .................. // ......No.
 * Haschwalth: .........I see. (...) My dear, / you should not have settled for simply developing this technique to completion. // You should have refined it to the point that anyone would be able to use it.
 * ^^^Based on this, not bothering to teach them was not the only problem, the thing is the others wouldn't be able to use this technique unless she refined it to a point the others would be able to use it as well.
 * But yeah, I agree that maybe it's still too earlt to place her as a master. - Gorenja (talk) 15:57, October 23, 2013 (UTC)