User talk:Xilinoc

Welcome
Hi there, I'm Xilinoc, a chat moderator and member of the Policy and Standards Committee here on Bleach Wiki. Feel free to ask me anything about anything, be polite, and remember to sign your posts with four ~ so I can properly respond to you. Thanks in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 21:23, August 8, 2020 (UTC)

RE: The Almighty
Yeah, I figured I should have discussed an edit like this before. But as I said, I just wanted to experiment with something and since it was an obscure disambiguation page, I figured it wouldn't hurt. Besides, it is a power used by 2-3 different characters, most power/technique pages only have one user. But anyway, sorry for doing it without telling anyone first. Timjer (talk) 07:57, August 8, 2020 (UTC)

Re:
Sure go for it. 08:53, September 3, 2020 (UTC)

Luz de la Luna
era evidente que lo atacó con luz de la luna porque carece de las llamas horizontales y mantiene su forma de Javalina,era por esoJavixDross (talk) 16:19, September 3, 2020 (UTC)

Translators Corner
Greetings! Is that Translator page dead? I found a couple of pages from jump that i only have the raws for and wanted to see if someone here could translate, but i couldn't fins any recent activity on that page, so I wanted to see if i was gonna be wasting my time lol.--ShinjiHirako66 (talk) 03:51, September 15, 2020 (UTC)

Why the Balgo revert?
As I explained in the edit summary, Balgo's a dragonclad in both images, so it is incorrect to label one as "dragonclad" and the other as "human." Besides, there's no difference between a human and a dragonclad appearance-wise.

Also, dragonclad is the result of prolonged contact with a dragon, and Balgo has been in prolonged contact with two dragons at the start of the one-shot, one for two months and the other for 10 years. Therefore, it is very possible Balgo has been a dragonclad since the very beginning but nobody knew because nobody bothered to do the dragontoxin test on him until the end of the one-shot. Lightning Laxus (talk) 16:52, September 15, 2020 (UTC)


 * Isn't the collar just a piece of clothing Wing Bind gives to designated dragonclads? Also, even if it is a mistake, the screenshot you took from the film trailer is the film adaptation of chapter 1 of the manga, where they were fighting that dark dragon in the city. Balgo's already a dragonclad.


 * You do have a point about Balgo not seeing Shelby until he was bitten. And just for the record, yes that was speculation I was offering; I never intended to argue for that to be the truth. Lightning Laxus (talk) 17:21, September 15, 2020 (UTC)


 * Bump? You never really addressed the issue of your "human" image is of Balgo while he's a dragonclad. You got it from here and that's the dark dragon from chapter 1. That's after the one-shot where Baglo becomes a dragonclad. Lightning Laxus (talk) 03:50, September 16, 2020 (UTC)


 * I mentioned it in the previous reply. It's probably a mistake. Regardless, he sees the dark dragon from chapter 1 and says asks for help so he's a dragonclad in that image. Lightning Laxus (talk) 05:14, September 16, 2020 (UTC)


 * Why not just use a manga image of him while he was actually human? And I'm not sure what you mean by the second part, since he's a dragonclad in both images. Lightning Laxus (talk) 05:36, September 16, 2020 (UTC)


 * Bump? Lightning Laxus (talk) 17:22, September 16, 2020 (UTC)

Re; Image Policy
Might be better saying please dont use jpgs for article images. Dont think there should be any particular standard for user page/etc images. Also, as far as I know you cant get rid of the line that says permitted file types: jpgs etc which would just confuse people. Anyway, page is here], but it says I dont have the necessary permissions to edit that MediaWiki page, even though Im the one who wrote it. Not sure if its temporarily locked for maintenance or if Fandom have banned admins from editing MediaWiki pages due to the UCP process or anti-customisation or something else. Give it a go and if you cant ask staff. 07:22, September 19, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Categories
Thanks man 20:27, September 24, 2020 (UTC)

Top of Horns
What was wrong with those images?--ShinjiHirako66 (talk) 21:31, October 3, 2020 (UTC)

hmm. Okay ill reupload with better names. Where do i go to discuss?--ShinjiHirako66 (talk) 07:59, October 4, 2020 (UTC)

Images
you keep erasing it but arent telling me where to post the request lol.--ShinjiHirako66 (talk) 09:22, October 4, 2020 (UTC)

Effectiveness of Communication With User
Okay so this turned out longer than I thought, but I feel I have been cutting you too much slack on this so, I have to say something... [rant]

What exactly is your problem with ShinjiHirako66's efforts?? Clearly a new user having a bit of trouble finding their way around but getting there in the end. Rather than helping them you just delete their efforts without clear instuction on what they should be doing, which I do not understand. Where is the link to the image guidelines, the correct talk page or the blog explaining them? They correctly posted on the page for profile pic changes and you just deleted it and the correctly licensed pic with no explaination or response to their messages. And then you post exactly the same thing under your own name instead of restoring their effort.

"Also nope" etc is not helpful to anyone and has no value as an edit summary. Isnt it more helpful to proactively go to their talk page where it is certain they will see it, unlike edit summary and properly say what is wrong/right? It might have avoided them posting in archive, right? There was nothing wrong with what they eventually posted that I can see, the pic is the same as you posted, png, had FUR and if it was because of a bad file name that you alluded to previously (did you explain to them what was good file name?), you are aware how to rename a pic and the associated changes are automatically made. Ditto with uploading a higher quality version of it. It comes across as only Im allowed to do this, which I am sure is not what you intended but it is how it looks.

There is nothing I can see to justify erasing their efforts just to post the exact same thing all the while ignoring them. It is not good form and falls short of what is expected of an admin. We all have bad days/whatever that make us do things we shouldnt from time to time, I get that and let things slide because of it sometimes, but I feel your behaviour towards other users has been slipping of late, hence taking a stand on this now. I hope in future you will improve how you deal with new editors to the level it used to be at.

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Im going to stop tinkering with this message to make it not sound aggressive, as I think Ive badly failed in that regard. The main thing is just be nicer (I know I dont sound nice right now!) and proactive in dealing with users. Regards, 14:19, October 4, 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for apologising to them. On whether or not people are going to update the wiki, you always jumped on new releases too fast for anyone else to get a look in. I think thats lead (certainly with me) to people just not bothering because by the time we see it, youve already done most/all of it and we have nothing left to do. Edit conflicted so often with you back in the day even when you didnt seem to have started yet that I ended up gaving up on it, just assumed you were always going to beat me to it. I never wanted to say it before for fear of discouraging you but it might be too much burden on yourself. Dont put the wiki before your own life, that aint healthy. Someone will always get around to it in the end. Dont ming the non-editors who whinge that its not up to date, they dont help and yet have enough time on their hands to whinge so theyre not someone you should worry about. Most readers never even see their whining. Anyway, havent had chance to watch the film yet, not sure when I will get chance. 18:24, October 4, 2020 (UTC)

Tip for the timeline
Missing when Aizen overthrew Barraggan and When Äs Nödt survived an incident and was hospitalized, Yhwach visited him and gave him power 9 years before the quincy invasion Any 2021 (talk) 20:20, October 4, 2020 (UTC)

Harribel colored manga
Hey Xil, I was wondering, where do you usually find the high quality colored manga pics for the pre-TYBW chapters? I'm asking because I was thinking of overhauling Harribel's page with superior manga pics over what we have from the anime. I mean, not only does the anime change her skin color, but it also (rather badly) censors her and some of the pics are off-model or low quality. Personally it rather bothers me and I'd like to improve it. Timjer (talk) 14:53, October 10, 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll go look for some decent manga pics now. I'll let you know once I've found enough. Timjer (talk) 15:08, October 10, 2020 (UTC)


 * Okay, you could start by uploading color versions of "356Harribel's Resurreccion, Tiburon.png", "359Hyoten Hyakkaso4.png", "375Aizen slashes.png", & "339Harribel reveals.png", which are already here. I'm looking for more in the chapters themselves, but I'm actually surprised how few decent face pics of her there are in her resureccion. Timjer (talk) 15:27, October 10, 2020 (UTC)


 * Alright, I found a few I could work with: "Chapter 339 – page 10 (unzipping part)"; "Chapter 355 – final page bottom";

"Chapter 356 – page 7 (Bottom left)"; "Chapter 376 – page 4 top". Timjer (talk) 15:33, October 10, 2020 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, I already started it as I noticed you were uploading. And yeah, it is annoying that the anime, being a medium that can expand upon the manga's visuals, often does it in such a bad way to render the entire process pointless. We can only hope that, when the final arc gets animated, they'll pull out all the stops and truly do Kubo's artwork justice. Timjer (talk) 15:58, October 10, 2020 (UTC)


 * In case we are talking about the same change here, I thought I was given permission on Harribel's talk page. I quote: "Hmm...hard choice, but I guess the pic of her with her collar up can be relegated to the Appearance section, since what's under it is more important."; I had just forgotten to act upon it until today. Timjer (talk) 16:05, October 10, 2020 (UTC)


 * Alright, I assumed I was given permission to change it already, but now I realize the words probably meant that I should have brought it up on the proper discussion page first. Timjer (talk) 16:13, October 10, 2020 (UTC)

R: Theme Designer
I fooled around with it a bit last night, made some progress here and on other stuff I got sidetracked on. Figured out how to change the banner and just added the pic Lemurs posted for it. Hard to get the positioning right, but I think its ok now.

Anyway, there are no individual options for the Discussions colour scheme. It shares the header's colour. I can darken it, but thats about it. Cant see anyway of doing gradients, it only allows single hex code. I used the colour from Byakuya's tech navibox which is 001854. Seems to be as dark as the templates get and its quite close to the bar at the top of edit window. 14:01, October 15, 2020 (UTC)


 * If you want, go ahead, it cant hurt. But I think its not really a quality issue. Its down to how its set to display -, auto cropping & centering and heavily faded so that the icons are clear to see. I tried a few different pics yesterday and they all came out looking worse once upladed. You do not want to use a dark picture - they become impossible to tell what they are. 14:25, October 15, 2020 (UTC)


 * Must have to do it from inside the theme designer. I recovered the pic you added/deleted and went to upload it, but a problem I should have thought of at the time - the pic has to be 300kb or less, which kind of makes it hard for a higher quality version of it. Looks like thats as good as its going to get. 16:12, October 15, 2020 (UTC)


 * Youre welcome 07:58, October 16, 2020 (UTC)

Updated with new information
Hello

Recently,someone posted a untranslated bleach scans on the bleach discussion chatroom.There is another fodder shinigami i found on ch 652 p.7. His name is Inokashira Tadakichi from the 8th division.

Thank you

--Qwertyuiop100fhjfyu (talk) 03:29, October 22, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Editor updates
No problem, I just figured I shouldn't let you do all the work like usual. And, to be fair to your setup, the editor was taking slightly longer to load for me as well, so it might be something Fandom has changed. Also, thanks for directing me to Ursuul, I'll take the problems to them should I find any more. Timjer (talk) 16:00, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Image Gallery Fix
Im starting at Z and working forward. Ill stop at N. 09:39, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

CFYOW canon status
Hey Xil, I have something to ask. Yeah, I know, I know. This topic may have been discussed to death by now and I apologize for reanimating it like I'm Giselle. But since I have my own physical copies of CFYOW 1 & 2 now, I took a good look at the credits and believe it or not, Kubo is literally listed as the author besides Narita. I could even make a screenshot with my phone of that section and upload it if you want. Now, since afaik the argument the wiki made for decanonzing CFYOW is that "Kubo didn't write it", I feel like this should be brought back up to discussion. And since the forums are sadly gone, I really didn't know how else to do this, hence why I'm asking you, Xil. How could I best bring this back up to discussion? Timjer (talk) 11:31, 1 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Alright, I moved it there, thanks for the suggestion. Though I do feel like clarifying that I neither know where to find the untranslated version, nor do I actually plan on spending money on it. But I already made the point there. Timjer (talk) 18:07, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Image request - Captain Rukia
Hey, can I ask you to upload another colored image? Specifically of the penultimate chapter, when Rukia is first shown as a captain (and by that I mean a full bodied version of her epilogue profile pic). I don't have anything special in mind for it TBH, I just think it would look nice in her image gallery. Thanks. Timjer (talk) 10:40, 7 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, it looks great. TBH, I was actually very happy Rukia became captain at the end instead of Ichigo, which is something many fans seemed to believe (despite it going fully against Ichigo's character). Timjer (talk) 15:39, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Re:Sock Puppet
The Kuomitang account wouldnt have been banned because they didnt actually do anything that warrants a block. Just a poor edit. But it does seem highly likely they are the same person, though it is possible they saw the edit in the history and copy/pasted it. Seems a bit far fetched to me though. This is at the minor end of the scale atm so I think the best way to handle it is warning for edit warring with mention of multiple account being used on this will result both being blocked.

For the benefit of all reading this since it doesnt come up that often: Multiple accounts are a problem only if used for block evasion, edit warring, ganging up on someone or otherwise exagerating numbers in a vote/discussion. There are plenty of people who do it particuarly if they are/were an admin/rollback/otherwise prominent editor (possibly even Fandom staff having work and personal account) as people we came up against in the past cause trouble/unwanted tension/distraction for us when they see us editing on other wikis. Ive encountered people I swear I never even saw their username before but turned out I had blocked them here for their shocking bad behaviour to other editors, plus other needy editors begging me to do all sorts for them just cause I fixed a broken link on a wiki I never had anything to do with. Sometimes people find it easier to go under a different name eleswhere. I know Arrancar109 did when he was around. I dont use mine anymore, just developed a thicker skin I guess. 11:19, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Re: Power Level Change Ban
Yup, ignoring warnings, not attempting to discuss it at all and readding those edits. 09:20, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to the Community Council
Heya Xilinoc, I wanted to offer you an invitation to join Fandom's Community Council.

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Are you interested in joining? As a heads up, a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) is required to join the group, which you have to be 18 years old to sign without a parent cosigner. Further, if you'd like to join the optional Slack group for Council, you have to be at least 16 years old.

I can answer any questions you have. Looking forward to hearing back from you on this!

Re: Antagonists Category
Okay, sorry

a question about whether ulquiorra cut the horn to hollow ichigo with Lanza del Relampago or Luz de la Luna
The attack that Ulquiorra uses to cut Hollow Ichigo's horn seemed more like he was using Luz de la Luna very quickly, due to the lack of horizontal flames and the resemblance to said attack, or did he actually attack Hollow Ichigo with Luz de la Luna or Ulquiorra's powers were weakening based on his poor regeneration ability after suffering a Cero point blank?? I would appreciate this clarification

Re:Shinken Hakkyoken
Well, I figured the move was obvious enough, hence the lack of a (lenghty) summary, but I'll explain it in detail now. See, Shinken Hakkyoken was listed on this wiki as Nanao's Zanpakuto, but it was explicitly stated that Nanao does not and cannot have a Zanpakuto of her own. Shinken Hakkyoken was instead stated to be a sword that was a family heirloom. Hence why I figured it was more accurate to list her without a true Zanpakuto, and move Shinken Hakkyoken to the Ise Family page (and put a link to it under Nanao's equipment). Timjer (talk) 09:01, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Sayafushi
sayafushi would be the name of Oetsu Nimaiya's zanpakutou even though he has never released ???Anime International Project (talk) 21:21, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Re Ban Neptune Ball
I asked for a range block as Ive blocked 4 or 5 of their accounts this past week now, same stuff being done on Discussions. 12:06, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Salubri
Do you know if Sal checks in on Discord lately? Last few times I left talk page message he responds within a few days, but nothing so far since I asked him to promote you and Sun. Wondering if I might be better off requesting staff to do it since weve no active bureaucrat because this is taking too long. 12:06, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Adminship - its official
Congrats on your appointment as Bleach Wiki admin, you have now been given admin rights. Given that you were previously content moderator you already have many of those rights, and Im not sure which ones you were missing that I had. I do know that you can now block problem users, can edit the MediaWiki pages (or at least the ones Fandom still allows us to edit), you can edit the top navigation. You are already familiar with protecting pages, deletions. If theres something else dont hesitate to ask for help.


 * MediaWiki pages - change system messages such as text that appears in drop down menus when deleting/blocking, uploading pics, and many other parts of the interface you normally see. If you select the "modified" option you can see the ones that have already been changed which can be very helpful as it tends to be the same ones that are updated over the years, or the source of an issue that has popped up.


 * Blocking - after this length of time on wikis you of course know the routine about warnings, when to block/not block and how long it should last for so I dont think I need to give any advise on that other than this: sometimes the less said in the reason given, the better. Namely, dont give in to, shall we say, leaving a parting message to someone that really got under your skin as it will encourage them to troll some more.

As I said, any questions just let me know. 20:41, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Re: User/talk page SUBSTs
Not sure what the user page one is and cant find the page under any plausible title I searched for, so Ive just been copy/pasting it. But the talk one is

Xilinoc ~

or

Xilinoc ~ if you want to add the page they first edited.

The bot isnt going to be fixed anytime soon. I reported it to fandom last month and got the following reply:


 * (Fandom Support)


 * Nov 30, 2020, 5:47 CST


 * Hey there,


 * Thanks for contacting Fandom Support. Unfortunately, this feature is not currently available on new wikis - sorry!


 * For more information about the new platform we are currently rolling out, please see https://fandom.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360044776693


 * We expect to make rapid improvements and fixes to this new platform in the coming months, including adding more features, so I suggest keeping an eye on the above link as we will likely be updating it fairly often.


 * Best regards,

Btw, your Ikomikidomoe‎‎ guy wants a word with you on Discussions naturally... 22:13, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 *  for user page creation seems to work. 11:50, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Conduct and Communication
I'm sorry, I didnt realize it common practice on this wiki to shut down conversation on talk pages and then lock them. Actually, I believe this goes against the policies set forth by this very wiki. As an admin of a wiki myself, and a frequenter of another, I find this troubling and highly problematic, if not outright abusive. LegionZero (talk) 03:20, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Colored Getsuga image
Hey, considering your proposal here, could you perhaps upload a colored image of "Proposal Main 3" from here? Timjer (talk) 10:59, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Colored Nelliel images
Hey Xil, I was thinking of updating Nelliel's page a bit with colored manga images wherever possible, as the anime needlessly gives her a different hair color and such. So I was wondering if you could upload some of them? I'm mostly looking for Child Nel in her introduction Chapter 246, Espada Nelliel as in Chapter 294 (I think), the Nel Shower as in 254, the Cero Dobles from both 252 and 291, and Gamuza's release from 296. Thanks. P.S.: I hope I have the right chapters, as I went by the references here as I don't have the proper Chapters right now & here, and I don't feel like going to pirate sites unless necessary. Timjer (talk) 14:18, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you too and you're welcome. I'll start adding them now, including the one you thoughtfully added when I forgot to ask about it.
 * P.S.: I have to admit I have a soft spot for the Bount arc as well. I don't find it needlessly boring and think it flows the best into the main story (and contributes the most to the lore) out of all of them. Timjer (talk) 20:53, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry to ask again, but could you perhaps also add her Espada tattoo from 291 and her release pose at the end of 294? I now see they would be good fits as well.Timjer (talk) 21:07, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Rangiku's Hair Color
Hey, so first off, sorry for the late response. And second off: please keep in mind that the only reason why I added that Rangiku has "strawberry blonde hair" in her appearance was because in some lightings her hair is sometimes colored a bit reddish, hence why I threw in the "strawberry blonde" detail in her hair. --Christopher Urena 04:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

How Many
How many people have to weigh in and say Kugo is a user before the information can be added? By the way, you edited back in that its a Fullbring ability, which is incorrect LegionZero (talk) 03:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

ReRe
You should read all that again. The only thing Sal opposed was calling GT a Fullbring ability. You are the one and only person who has expressed opposition to Kugo being put on the page. LegionZero (talk) 06:48, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Did you read the talk page at all?! Sun was fine with adding Kugo and said so in his first reply. Here, ill quote it for you:


 * "Firstly, no problems if we want to list variants of stolen abilities and such but I am not and will inherently and always disagree with listing it as a Fullbring abilitiy." Sun


 * But wait! There is more ill quote and count off everyone else on the talk page who is explicitly for adding Ginjo:


 * "I see no reason why Kugo cant be listed there too, though I suggest it is best done in a new section to distinguish it from those who naturally have the ability." -Yyp. That is 2


 * "However, I do think Kugo using Getsuga is deserving of a mention. Even if he "just" copied the power from Ichigo, it's not like Ginjo can do everything Ichigo can, and it does seem (according to EU materials, at least) the skill is permanently added to Ginjo's "arsenal" from then on." -Timjer. That is 3


 * Plus me, that makes 4 votes for including Ginjo.


 * Then there is you and Sal. And whoever your 3rd person is. Has Sal even bothered to take into consideration any points raised or is he sticking with his "it shouldnt be added because i dont want it to be" approach seen a bit higher up on GT's talk page?


 * Are you going to tell Kubo that Ginjo doesnt have Getsuga Tensho? The man who wrote Ginjo as having that ability? Kubo didnt say "only people with Zanpakuto spirits can have Getsuga Tensho. Anyone without a Zanpakuto spirit isnt REALLY using Getuga Tensho, so just ignore when they yell 'GETSUGA TENSHO.'" Kubo didnt make that rule up, you and some random fan who decided to start a wiki did. Sorry, not sorry. Kubo>you and Sal


 * Maybe you should read the manga again too. Ginjo states to have also stolen Ichigo's shinigami powers. Not mimicked. Stolen. He took Ichigo's shinigami abilities for himself. Chapter 460. Rukia confirms this. Not to mention that even earlier in chapter 457 Tsukishima explains that Ichigo's using GT while in Fullbring means that he awakened his Shinigami powers.


 * No one is gaslighting you, stop being dramatic. How long do we have to wait before the tallies count? I would like to detail Isshin and Zangetsu's usage sometime soon. LegionZero (talk) 08:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


 * So you are going to keep imposing your views on what makes a "real" Getsuga Tensho? Your "definitive point" is nothing more than your interpretation which is completely unsubstantiated by the manga. If it wasnt a "real" bankai or "real" Getsuga Tensho, it wouldnt have been pointed out literally anywhere in the franchise. Manga, anime, novels, games, databooks, and not one source says "Getsuga Tensho, but not really". But if there is, cite it. I'll wait.


 * As for Kugo not having a zanpakuto spirit, Kugo was never stated to have lost his shinigami powers and was stated in chapter 579 to have stolen powers from multiple Shinigami. Including Ichigo's.


 * And stop mislabeling what he did as "copying" and "mimicking" to suit your own POV.


 * Hmmm, you know who else stole and used Zanpakuto abilities? The Wandenreich. You know who else didnt have Zanpakuto Spirits? The Wandenreich. Its almost like the rules you impose on the series are in direct opposition to multiple events in the series. Or did the Sternritter "copy/mimick" bankai too? Sure is convenient for the Wandenriech that all those characters lost their bankai right after they copied them.


 * This really isn't about what compromises you are willing to make. its about covering the subject properly and reporting the information in its entirety.. LegionZero (talk) 09:38, 14 January 2021 (UTC)