Forum:Theory on Isshin's past as a Captain (Thread closed)

Theory on Isshin's past as a Captain
A rather simple thought, but, is it possible that Isshin was the captain of Squad 11 before Kenpachi? I know it shows that Kenpachi killed the previous captain in order to become the next one, but what if he wasn't actually killed, and that person was Isshin himself? --Lyani 20:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so. Kenpachi advanced to captain in a trial-by-combat that required 200 witnesses from the involved division. Everyone seems pretty definitive in saying Kepachi killed the previous Captain.

Not that it couldn't happen somehow. Kenpachi is bloodyminded but not bloodthirsty. He won't kill an opponent just because he lost a fight with him (like Ikkaku, for example). So it is possible to survive losing to a combat monster like Kenpachi! Great Cthulhu 20:39, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh here we go again... There was a topic already discussing Isshin but.. Shinji didn't recognize Isshin's reiatsu when he fought Grand Fisher, so he couldn't be the defeated captain of the 11th division 100+ years ago... Deimonos 21:08, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Also don't forget that Tosen verbally confirmed Zaraki's predecessor's death. Arrancar109 21:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

There are many theories out there. You should check out the older thread. And you will read a lot of opinions in depth. Quadrupus 02:04, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

My theory:
 * He is captain class (captain haori)
 * He knows Urahara (obviously Yoruichi) and Uryu's father Ryuken. He also knows about the Vizards, though Shinji didn't understand his reiatsu signature. Both Urahara and Ryuken know about his power (lost and recovery), meaning he is a contemporary of the two, older than Urahara and surely older than Shinji.
 * Referenced to the Pendulum arc and the following table...




 * ...I've noticed that (I don't take the idea of the Zero Squad or else as they certainly don't wear captain's haoris) there is no division where Isshin could have been the captain except:
 * He couldn't definitely have been captain of the 1st (Yamamoto), 2nd (Shihoin family, Onmitsukido), 4th (Unohana), 6th (Kuchiki family, Ginrei), 8th (Shunsui), 12th (Kirio Hikifune) or the 13th (Ukitake). ::Remaining options: 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, 10th and 11th
 * 10th: No captain known, hinted or present during the Pendulum arc
 * 3rd: Rojuro became captain of the 3rd division 3 years before Urahara, but before that no informations about the precedent captain.

He was probably born after Genryusai, Unohana, Shunsui, Ukitake and Ginrei but before the Vizards ex-captains, and maybe same age or younger than Kirio Hikifune.
 * As he befriend Ryuken, they probably met during the slaughter of the Quincys and Isshin banished to the Human Realm because he protested against the massacre. Baronofash 03:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The problem with your theory would be that you assume he is older then either Urahara or the Vizards where there is nothing to support that. In fact it is more likely that he is younger if anything. As he has only not been a shinigami for the past 20 years. Which means he was one and still serving as one in some official capacity before that time. Ruyken is a quincy but human so he would have a average human lifespan. Urahara is obviously well around 200 years old. The likelhood being that he cant be a someone prior to shinji because we would have seen him. So its more likely that he is either as old as Shinji or younger. but it makes no sense either way considering he has only not been a shinigami for 20 years meaning either he was active before that time as a captain or he was not a captain at all. The only captain that is recent is Hitsugaya of the 10th division. Also you take the 11th out of the equation because there is no proof zaraki is not the 10th kenpachi and there is no reason to assume anyone would have that position but zaraki and the captain he killed to take it. the 3rd 9th and 5th were open apparently till aizen, tosen and gin took them. As having vacant seats for extended amount of time seems to be natural among the gotei 13. No one knows when the 7th came about but durable strong heavy hitters seem to run that division.Salubri 04:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)