Bleach Wiki talk:Administrators

Templates
We apparently have an issue with some of the templates on the site. Namely the translation template. Now majority of templates besides the ones that have done are generic and linked from the animapedia sight. Now the biggest issue as i said is the translation one which if you click it apparently puts down a translation template that is a numbered list. A format that we do not use on the wiki, i looked at it last night and couldn't decipher truly what was wrong, once more i couldn't go about making a original one just for this sight as i was uncertain how to go about it at the time. Anyhow we all need to be aware of it and find all the ones that come from that sight. Until they can be replaced with something original to the sight they may continue to be a problem. Until the translation template can be fixed, its probably best to just inform those users that use it that its wrong and explain which kind we do use. They shouldn't be held accountable unless they don't listen to the instructions of the right way to do it. On top of that there seems to be a few templates or styles that we use here that may not be listed anywhere and they need to be, unfortunately i can't think of any off the top of my head but i know that we have used them in the past couple of weeks when certain users have done the opposite. So if anyone can recall one, make sure you list it on the manuel of style. Salubri 22:56, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

References Removing Glitch
Just bringing this to your attention: twice in the last few days I have encountered a rather strange and quite damaging glitch. This glitch removes everything that is in < > tags, including all references and the small writing underneath the anime-only arc headings in the synopsis. The first time was by Minato88, who had no idea what happened, but said that he was editing a page and encountered the edit conflict screen, then clicked back, cut the text he was adding, clicked forward again, added his bit and saved. Whether that had anything to do with what caused it or not I don't know, but those are the circumstances behind it and here is a link to the two instances of it I have encountered: [] and []. The other person did not reply to my question on his page, so I don't know if the circumstances are similar in the two edits. If it had not happened with Minato first, I would have treated it as vandalism. In both cases, no other edit showed up, just the removal of the references etc. I'll go mention it on the wiki central forums. -- Yyp  (Talk)  18:39, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thought I'd give an update on this. It has happened a couple more times since I posted this, here and here . In the second one, it was by Minato88 and did not happen under the same circumstances as the above one - it was a straight-forward undo of a previous edit (that had nothing to do with the references). I've posted about it in Central Wiki Fourm Help Desk and sent a message through their "Special:Contact" link, but nothing helpful yet from other users & nothing at all from the staff. -- Yyp   (Talk)  13:45, January 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Got a reply, basically saying thanks & it has been passed on to the relevant people. They hope to have a patch out very soon. -- Yyp  (Talk)  20:43, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Colors and templates
Hey so I know we have kind of had the conversation about colors before, but i was thinking we should get into using the colors deeper on the site. Now what i mean is possibly haveing a set color scheme for various things. Usually with universal things Red/Blue/White are the traditional bleach colors. For Arrancar/Espada white and black. For shinigami maybe division colors where applicable.

There are also some new templates to start using There is a block template now for those getting blocked to be placed on their talk page as well as an inactive template. Im also currently working on a bunch of other templates. Salubri (Talk)  00:22, December 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * I like the block & inactive templates. And the new stub template. Looks much better. The hide/show thing on the navigation templates takes a bit if getting used to, but I think on pages that have more than two of them, it saves a lot of space. Good work. -- Yyp  (Talk)  22:34, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm in favor of the templates as well. They actually help clear a few things up (especially WhiteStrike's condition), so I think it would benefit us in the long-run as well. Arrancar109 (Talk)  05:25, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I'm liking the new colours on the Zanpakutō page. That's really good. The tables on their own make it look much better, but with the colours, it's great. -- Yyp  (Talk)  00:21, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Yea that took a while but i put it together the way i wanted and it came out pretty good i think. Im trying to come up with something for the characters but the infoboxes aren't easy to make but adding color to it is.Salubri (Talk)  05:55, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Committee Nomination: GODKING OF ICE CERBERUS WERE-GARURUMON
User:GODKING OF ICE CERBERUS WERE-GARURUMON has nominated himself for the position of 4th seat on the P/S Cmte. -- Yyp  (Talk)  22:34, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I expressed some concerns about him in the "Requests for adminship" discussion, one of which was how much time he could devote to the wiki. Since then, he seems to be editing a bit more regularly, though his recent edits are mostly minor stuff, with the exception of the Antagonists page, which I feel his edits have made very bloated (side note: I personally don't see why we need that page). I'm still put off by his being admin on so many wikis and possibly more in the future, as it will limit his time here. I guess I'm neutral on him. -- Yyp  (Talk)  21:11, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Deletion
Ok for a while now there have been a handful of things on the site that we have let slide but shouldn't be allowed and should be deleted. Namely im referring to Shinigamification largely a made up word never used in the bleach universe at all and therefore can't be a article. Another is the page for zanpakuto techniques not sure why there is redirects to techniques used by a zanpakuto that seems sort of ridiculous but none the less im not sure why the page exists if you want to look up a technique maybe going to the article of the wielder would be better. I just dont see the likelihood of someone putting that information in a search. I think the main person doing that is Shadow Dragon and im sure he has been told before not to. I looked at the redirect policy and while it somewhat refers to it i dont think it has a specific policy against it. Last but not least the biggest issue we have let slide is ichigo's Getsuga Tenshō. The page is totally unnecessary considering that most of the information on it is already on the article page. Not to mention that it specifically goes against the manuel of style. In any case the page shouldn't exist as it is a ability that only ichigo possesses not something useable by others. Salubri (Talk)  03:18, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I'm for deleting Shinigamification and Getsuga Tenshō, since the first is not referred to at all, and the latter is listed in detail on Ichigo and Hollow Ichigo's pages, but I wasn't aware that there was a Zanpakuto technique page. I want to see it first, and when I do, you'll have my vote on that one. But yeah, Shinigamifciation and Getsuga Tenshō have my support to be deleted. Arrancar109 (Talk)  06:04, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I'm in favour of scraping the Getsuga page. Bar one sentence (which I've added to Ichigo's page) there was nothing there that was not on Ichigo's page already. I don't think it is worth listing the slight differences in his getsuga in the video games in an other media section beyond simply saying that the GT attack does vary from one game to the next. For the zanpakuto techniques, are you referring to the redirects such as Lanza del Rempalago and Nadegiri? -- Yyp  (Talk)  09:11, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Among what has been shown yes they are all redirects im just not sure of that anyone would put obscure techniques from the zanpakuto's into a search. Salubri (Talk)  09:24, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that a lot of them would likely never be used in a search. Something like Getsuga Tensho might be searched for, but not many other techniques would be, imo. Some of them might be used (once) in the episode summaries (powers & abilities section), but I think linking to the powers/abilities or zanpakuto sections would be more than good enough in those cases. We don't need redirects just for that. -- Yyp  (Talk)  09:32, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

The Antagonists page has attracted a couple of comments on its talk page about whether or not we need it. I don't see the point of it, but if there is a reason for keeping it, then I think it needs an overhaul, as recent edits to it have made it bloated and awkward to read. Thoughts? -- Yyp  (Talk)  21:15, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Im in agreement i don't think we really need an antagonist page. Salubri (Talk)  04:43, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I think maintaining the page itself is a lot more work than it should be, especially for an article that's rarely looked at. Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  04:57, December 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll put up a marked for deletion notice on the GT and Antagonists pages. -- Yyp  (Talk)  13:45, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Anime
Hey i know that there can be confusion with the anime sometimes so i figured that maybe we should have an official policy on it. Something along the lines of the manga is considered primary source while the anime is only considered secondary. By that we can infer that what takes place in filler arcs are not canon material as say anime that follows the manga based storyline. The confusion i think some have is when filler information is listed along with the manga information. In certain cases exceptions can be made for the filler information. As long as it doesn't conflict with the manga based material then it is a fine addition to the site as long as the reference for it details that it has only been showcased in the anime. Another example is the anime that is based on the manga canon sometimes to flesh out the story for tv they show more of a fight or backstory then what was portrayed in the manga. This is fine i think as well, once again it should be established in reference that this extension has only taken place in the anime. But only in the case that they dont conflict with the manga canon. Some information can do so such as the zanpakuto arc has a number of problems along this area. It mixes considerable and informative information with inaccuracies that further confuse and brings about more questions then it answers at some points. Example the generalized information about a zanpakuto is informative and useful to the understanding of the zanpakuto. On the other side the more specific information involving the spirits forms and battles and abilities are confusing and dont seem to mesh with what is already known or generally stated all that well. Another issue it brings up is Ginrei while he is a manga based character this is the first time seeing him in anime only content about something that seems significant to him and the backstory of the kuchiki family. While the information on this makes more sense in general its still anime only. To sum it up i guess the best thing to would have a policy that states the following.


 * Manga information is primary source material and Anime is secondary source material. While Manga takes precedent on the site anime is not to be discarded as it has character designs by Kubo himself as well as it is content signed off by him. In majority of cases the information presented in anime is the tv version of manga based material thus by and large the information presented is canonical.


 * In the event of information from the anime being extended and featuring material that was not in the manga such as extended fights and storyline to flesh out for tv viewing purposes are fine inclusions as long as it stated in references that they are only depicted in the anime.


 * Filler information while not canon due to inaccuracies in story timeline has some exceptions to the information to be included. In cases where the information presented does not conflict with what is known nor relies on story timeline to be accurate in canon material (such as powers and abilities) it can be placed in the article. (i.e. Yumichika, Yoruichi, Ukitake, Matsumoto, Hitsugaya using kido, as there is nothing in canon that says they can't or causes conflict and in fact it more supports the notion that they can given their established abilities or backgrounds). The obvious opposite to this is Ikkaku or Kenpachi using kido when it has been stated in canon that they have no knowledge of it, not that this has ever been shown. But the question of shunpo ability has been brought up and while there is canon belief that kenpachi doesn't use it but knows shunpo it can be supported by his use in some anime episodes.


 * Filler information directly at odds (majority of it) should not be placed at all while information under question of conflict should be determined if it is to be added by the policy and standards committee based on what is known from canon. If the filler information conflicts it should not be placed. In the event of undetermined canon material nothing should be listed until the manga can establish a bases for the information overall.


 * Generalized information that is not in conflict is allowed as long as references stating that this information has only be confirmed in the anime.

The other issue im not sure of is when a manga based characters information and backstory is largely featured in a anime only context. Im not sure what to do or how to handle that as it may never be presented in the manga. So id leave determined that to others. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  16:15, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Seems good. I'm willing to go along with that. About your final point - I'm not really sure about that either. All we can really do is add it with references stating that it is anime-only. -- Yyp  (Talk)  21:11, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Committee members having a say on new members
Tinni has made a suggestion on the Policy/Standards Committee page (link goes to exact section) regarding the influx in the number of applications to join the Committee. In short, she proposes that to avoid us having to consider unsuitable candidates, the existing Committee members can use the oppose template if they think a candidate would not be accepted by us (she gives a list of reasons). Any candidate that gets more than one oppose would not be forwarded to us. -- Yyp  (Talk)  11:59, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

That would work. I like the idea in order to get to us they have to go through her lol. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  22:48, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

The Committee has had their say on the new applicants (Policy/Standards Committee page). Here are their votes:


 * User:Nwang2011 got positive votes from all three of them.


 * User:Gold3263301 got two positive votes from Minato88 and Mohrpheus and a neutral from Tinni


 * User:TomServo101 got a positive and two neutral votes. Positive was Tinni.


 * User:SerialSniper14 got two positives from Tinni and Minato88, neutral from Mohrpheus.


 * User:KiranTheBoi got two negatives from Minato88 and Tinni.

The rest were all neutrals. -- Yyp  (Talk)  13:45, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

My particular take on this is that the four Nwang2011, Gold3263301, Tomservo101, and SerialSniper14 have by and large proven themselves by doing extensive edits and of mostly good quality. There is always room for improvement but considering their work so far I would put them in the running to be committee members and see what happens from there. Though if there is an issue about avaliability that needs to be taken into account before anything. No point in having people in important positions if they arent gonna be around. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  19:25, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

I'm in favour of adding Nwang2011, SerialSniper14 and Tomservo101 as they have been helping with the projects and are doing a good job (as well as there being no issues surrounding them). About Gold3263301 - he may not have completed the initiation yet (though his conversations with Minato88 suggest he intends to do it), but he has made some substantial edits since he was put forward for the initiation and I'm happy with the quality of those, as well as plenty of good "quality control" edits, so I support him too. That would bring us to 7 members (assuming all are approved). There are currently only 6 seats, so maybe we should add an extra seat or two. -- Yyp  (Talk)  15:27, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

I'm think we should add Nwang2011, SerialSniper14, Gold3263301, and Tomservo101 as well. They're edits are good and have been keeping up with the projects we are currently undertaking on the wiki, so I see no potential problems here. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  01:47, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

About the others that have applied: I think we can agree that KiranTheBoi is a no (has two oppose & 1 neutral in the vote above, in addition to the Committee members opposing him). So what about GAURUMON & Animeluvr? Looking over the things that have been said before about them, neither one would get support as it stands, so do we think it is worth asking them to undergo an initiation? -- Yyp  (Talk)  15:27, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

So we are all in agreement on Nwang2011, SerialSniper14 & Tomservo101, the only one not ready for advancement is apparently Gold3263301, but this is more of an issue regarding his completion of the initiation rather then anything. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  05:13, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

So can we tell Nwang2011, SerialSniper14 & Tomservo101 they're accepted and when Gold3263301 completes the initiation (he is doing it and rather well too), we can add him then. I'd hate to accept them all without Twocents' input, but I don't think we can delay accepting them much longer as it has dragged on for so long. Both Tinni & Minato are eager to get the nominees in place and Tinni has said she will hold the 4th seat in reserve for Gold if he is promoted separately. -- Yyp  (Talk)  15:26, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Bleach Movie 4
I was wondering, since we are likely to see an influx of edits about it, how are we going to deal with the new movie. Would any plot info from it be treated as a spoiler? If so, a new section for it should be made on the spoiler page. And how would we treat it considering the timescale involved here (a year until its release and likely another 9 months until a sub becomes available) - do we not allow plot details to be added until it is released in English, or would we allow details to be posted once it is released in Japan? -- Yyp  (Talk)  12:57, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Committee Members
Just bringing it to everyones attention. A procedure for how to remove a member of the Committee (including the 1st seat) has been proposed here: direct link. -- Yyp  (Talk)  15:27, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Ichigo's page
Ok so Ichigo's page has been locked for maintenance and referencing, which as a major page it needs alot of extensive work. The problem is unlike normally this one requires far more then I alone can do. Im working on the powers and abilities section which is turning into a large chore all itself, somewhat equivalent of doing any others character entire article. In any case while im trying to handle that the problem is the rest of the article. It would be much appreciated if we could all work together to make it happen, as a major page he is gonna have alot of appearances in the up and coming anime and manga. The faster the page can be done the sooner it can opened back up otherwise we will have to just update it on are own until such time that we can reopen the page. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  02:51, January 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'll start work on the Appearance, Personality & History sections now. And I'll do the Agent of the Shinigami arc too. Once that's taken care of, I'll see what's left to do and claim some more sections. -- Yyp (Talk) 21:18, January 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, since I'm going through extensive editing through Amagai's page and plan to do Ran'Tao's page as well, I guess I can take both the Bount and Amagai arcs for Ichigo's page. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  21:29, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Bleach featured article
Considering the issue last time with picking an article I think a new form of standards needs to be placed if a users pick for article is to be valid. Now we have come with making sure that these issues are on the up and up and people aren't just picking someone cause they like them and if the article is actually worth anything. A prime issue was last time we had a number of votes for aizen yet none of these people have ever been active on the site and only joined to vote. This seems highly peculiar to me and Yyp when we looked through it. So to make sure that there is no funny buisness i think the only votes that should be counted are those of users who have been on for at least a month and who has actively edited on the site. (Defined under editing the articles not just talking on forums) As well as not to count those that only seem to come around to vote, any other time they dont seem to care about involving themselves with the site and are gone for months on end. The reason why this is going on is weird to me and makes me wonder if something fishy is going on. When we have plenty of legitimate users who make good faith edits and are entitled to a fair voting system when they have worked so hard to maintain some of these articles in question. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  23:22, January 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Seems fair to me. I myself had suspicions of the mass Aizen vote and wondered if we should be a bit more strict about it. Seems like a lot of people out there are only interested in seeing their favorite characters being featured as the Article of the Month and not contributing to anything here and that strikes me as unfair to users who actually have contributed something (especially those who have contributed largely to the wiki and improved the quality of the articles). Having these sort of voting restrictions may be a good way to weed out random people/one-time voters from the contributors and begin a more fair and stable voting process. So yes, I'm in favor of this. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  23:43, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

I'm in favour of it too. I mean, things have improved over the past few months in general, but the Aizen thing last month really bugged me. This would put a stop to such suspicious voting. -- Yyp (Talk) 10:59, January 21, 2010 (UTC)