User talk:Salubri/Archive 3

Re: Discussion
That makes sense. It gets a little messy sometimes, when we have to basically host a three different conversations and then get back to everyone else about what two people decided and get their confirmation, etc. This should make things a little easier. Twocents 04:17, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Archive
Is that a hint that I should archive my talk page too? Twocents 04:23, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I'll read up on how to do it. I'm not entirely sure how it works. Would you mind if I copied your nifty little archive content thingy... with the folder image and links to your archives? (Does that make sense? I don't know how to describe it.) Twocents 04:26, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Policy & Standards Committee
Hi, I guess I should thank you for making me Chairperson. Although after seeing the amount of work you signed me up for... :) Anyway, don't worry about the rollback thing. I don't plan to use it except to undo vandalism and stuff. I have been thinking about it and I don't think I am entirely comfortable with the idea of me nominating people for the committee. I don't think that is necessarily the best way to go about it. I say we let users nominate themselves and if they meet the membership criteria then they become members. The reason for this is that it gives more ownership to the users of the wiki and stops us from coming under criticism for favouritism because we'll only think of names of users we have had contact with on a regular basis. I mean, maybe we can invite certain members to nominate themselves but still they should step forward and put their hands-up for the job. At least that's what I think.

Also, I don't think it was a good idea to move the volume of the club into the committee policy page because, well it's a the committee policy page and not the most intuitive place to look for what's happening. In fact, the volume of the club and the anime stuff looks really out of place there. Like really out of place. It shouldn't be a page we use to conduct daily business of the committee, just the place where the policies and procedures of the commitee is listed. I think it is best to make a new page for the volume summaries and another page for the anime summaries and list them as "projects of the committee". I am happy to make the new pages and the likes if no one has any objects. Tinni 06:12, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking, for those who want to nominate themselves, should we make a section on the page somewhere they can do that or have an explanation of how the nomination process works? I could see people being interested, but not knowing what to do in order to potentially get on the committee, and it's probably best to deal with that now. Twocents 07:02, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

As eloquent as that response was, do you have something in particular you'd like to do to address the issue before we have people asking what to do? xDD Twocents 07:07, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

I figure there should probably be a specific subsection where people who want to nominate themselves can do it. I think that'd make it a little clearer on precisely where to go for those who are interested. Twocents 07:28, November 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Way ahead of you. It's all done and ready for nominations and stuff. Tinni 07:31, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Thank u for the position and thank u Yyp, Arrancar109 and Twocents. I will not abuse my rollback rights. The 4th Hokage 10:40, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo vs. Grimmjow
Just out of curiosity, are we gonna call their 3rd fight Round Three or Final Fight? Arrancar109 18:21, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Edits
Thank's for pointing it out, will keep it in mind.Abigail16 22:35, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Committee
Yeah, I was trying to find it in the first place, so thanks for reminding me where it is. Arrancar109 05:19, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Issue - Ethelion & yourself
Sorry to raise this again. I have been talking with User:Ethelion since you alerted me to the issue. After some initial confusion and misunderstanding, we have resolved the issue on the main page regarding the featured article - he now understands how the featured articles are done and is happy so long as they are consistent. I also removed the piece on his user page attacking you and gave him a warning for it. Ethelion has subsequently been asking me to try to resolve the differences between him and yourself. After some discussion, he has asked me to pass on his feelings. Other than passing this message along, I have promised him nothing & told him that you are not obliged to respond and he accepts this, and that he may not get his desired response.

So, in short: Ethelion is generally frustrated with the interactions between yourself and him since his arrival here. He feels that he has been treated harshly by you and is upset at this. He admits that he may be being overly sensitive about this, but claims that that is just his nature/personality. He insists that he does not desire to express further ill-will against you and that he just wants peace & to let the issue go. He says that he does not "want to address anymore ill-will against" you. However, he would like an apology, or an acknowledgement. He ended by saying that he "will make it an effort to improve my performance more effectively from here on out."

That's the gist of what he had to say. If you do not want to respond to him, that's fine. I have made it clear to him that you can respond as you please (if at all). I will not continue this debate with him and whatever you decide, it will be the last thing I say to him on the subject. --Yyp 17:35, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Hey
I would generally concur. I've noticed that a lot of his edits on articles have been to delete things from quotes without reason or reference to a manga page showing the correct version, for example, which I've made an effort to undo when I've seen it happen. I know his conversations with User:Gekkōhire inspired Gekkōhire to make a forum about helping with user-created Shinigami (which I shot down). I also recall Eliskuya2 commenting to another user about working hard to make sure he had enough edits to get on the sidebar, and the majority of edits to his user page are, I think, done for the sake of having an increased edit count, rather than even contributing to his own creation.

It's generally my perception that he's resistant to following the rules, dislikes anyone who asks him to and that he actively works to play one admin against other admins and users. As my edits to his user page telling him to not maintain a hitlist inspired the responses of telling me that it was "bull poop," deleting my edits with the edit summary saying (word-for-word), "I dislike you..Twocents..I hope sooner or later they well put you in time out :P" and "*facepalm*" and then he went to Yyp and asked her to make me stop. I've also seen him calling the admins he likes with the honorific "-sama" and I've seen him tell other users to stop something or else he'd make his "best friend" admin block them or whatever. I just get the feeling that he thinks he's above the rules. Twocents 02:23, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. I know I've tolerated the way he treated me because I don't get offended quite that easily, but knowing that he's also treated other users that way and that his behaviors on the wiki have been ignored or disregarded for quite some time is not fair to those who do take care to follow the rules and policies. I agree that Arrancar109 and Yyp should be made aware of the situation, if they aren't already, and that we can decide on a course of action, whether it's simply talking to him about it or something else. Do you want to bring it up on the admin talk page, or would you prefer that I write something there instead? Twocents 05:33, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Alright. I've added a summary (that ended up being lengthier than I intended it to be), so hopefully, Yyp and Arrancar109 will have time to look at it soon and add in their own input. Twocents 06:06, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Edits
Hey Salubri I'm sorry if I've caused you trouble but it really slipped my mind that I had to refer to the manga well honestly I've just begun and haven't gotten very far so I'll refrain from editing until I finish the manga Till then I hope I can do some minor edits Thank you and sorry once again)Abigail16 06:05, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Edit Fights and Events
Sorry, but I have not done nothings to the fights page, I will wait to you are done with it. What can I edit, fix or create I am just trying to help. Flaminghorse November 19, 2009 (UTC

Today to Nov. 30
I just wanted you to be aware that my family celebrates Thanksgiving, so I likely won't be on much for this next week. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause, and I hope you have a good week too. :) Twocents 20:27, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Block 1217
why did you block me? (I'm saying this in the nicest way possible)--April7 1995 01:17, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

ok I understand and I'm sorry--April7 1995 01:48, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

ey!
mkay :). I see where your coming from now. The theory is very farfetched, thinking now that he couldn't because he would have to go through the process of hollowfication. it still leaves the question who or what he is. I came around to making the picture. You see in the picture, this mysterious person has the same robe and hairpiece, but has the same mouthpiece as his zanpakto. The comparison is uncanny, which is why im so persistent with finding an answer or some kind of discussion with it. As a big bleach fan, im very curious to know what you think about it. He looks like a big mix between them both.  Ojwillkillyou 04:19, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Kyoraku thing
Well that topic just won't die. There has been more development so perhaps you should have another look at the discussion. Basically, both onemanga and readbleach has the scanlation of Manga-Rain. So it's the same scanlation in both those sources. Apart from Viz and Manga-Rain, the only other translation of the chapter is from a group called Manga7, which is only available on Bleach Exile. The Manga7 translation does conform more with the Viz translation. Kind of stuck what to do next, I asked Sheetz from FLOL to translate fresh the raw. Sheetz thinks that logically Yama-jii most likely was refering to both Ukitake and Kyoraku as team but literally, Yama-jii is saying "And at one time, as far as fighting is concerned, that strength surpassed the rest. Amongst your peers and your predecessors there were none to rival you." There is no question about Sheetz translation capabilities. He's one of the best out there. So at this point it's your call. All the information is now presented in Talk:Shunsui_Kyōraku. Tinni 09:19, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I am washing my hands of this entire mess. I did everything humanly possible to find all information of relevance and this time all translations except Manga-Rain (whose translation is on both Onemanga and readbleach so those two sites are not giving two different sources) say that Yamamoto said nothing about them working well together. It can be inferred that, that's what he meant but that's speculations. It's not about changing it to reflect Viz, it's about changing it to reflect what's in the original Japanese Raw and the original Japanese Raw says Yamamoto didn't say anything about their teamwork. Manga-Rain translates from Chinese to English, so how accurate can we really call them? Anyway, as I said, I don't care any more. Tinni 02:06, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter why the issue was brought up. Once it was we owe it the users to investigate and if the investigating reveals that our original source of information was wrong, then we have to change it. In this case it seems clear Manga-Rain made a mistake. When it is this clear then it has to be changed. I understand it wasn't a problem before and if our investigation had revealed that Manga-Rain wasn't wrong then we could just shut this down. But setting aside the question of Viz, Manga-Rain translated from Chinese and said what they said. When all other translations say Manga-Rain got it wrong then sticking to Manga-Rain isn't reasonable. Tinni 03:43, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Tinni 04:16, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Kenpachi zaraki Bankai
Hi, Salubri I recently found this article today saying I know we don't know what zaraki's bankai is but what if it's a kido type or something similar, I deleted the content but I can't delete the article itself, the article was created by Cresendo09. However I'm sure that he wasn't aware of the rules here and I think that since you guys changed the automated message for new users you could also list some the things that are permitted or not permitted, I'm saying this because I've noticed that a few new guys keep editing in a way that's not permitted, such as adding fan fiction, uploading images on the site that they don't really need just slow us down, rude behaviour etc. There's also a slight problem with the user April7 1995, where she repeatedly changed Ichigo's image with Aizen just explaining that his face looks better but her edits were reverted by Narutoz7, so in any case you guys may want to watch her edits but hopefully it won't happen again.--SalmanH 05:17, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Your welcome, it's no problem.--SalmanH 06:03, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Spoiler Policy addition
We've had a couple of problems with people adding what were considered "spoilers" to the site, only for it to turn out that the episode/chapter was released unusually early or on an obscure site. I proposed an addition to the spoiler policy to Arrancar109 and he's happy with it. Just wondered what you thought about it, or if there is anything you think is missing from it. I want to add the following to the policy, above the failure to follow section. --Yyp 20:11, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

If a Chapter/Episode is Only Just Released
If you are adding information from an episode or chapter that has only just been released in English (or if it is likely that other users are unaware of its release), use the edit summary box to state that the chapter/episode is indeed out and state the site where you read it (an exact link would be appreciated). This will allow others to verify that the episode/chapter is out and that the information you are adding is correct. It will also reduce the likelihood of your edit being reverted and you getting into trouble with an Admin for violating this policy. And it is a good service to let the rest of the community know that it has been released.

New Fansub & Fanscan Groups
From time to time, a new fanscan/fansub group arrives on the scene. In their early days, any such group is likely to be little known and may not be widely available. If they happen to be the first group to release a new episode/chapter in English, it is very important that you state as much in the edit summary box, and/or let an Admin know to avoid any issues. It is especially important if they do not allow their material to be published on a widely known and accessible site. We can not be expected to find them if we are unaware of their existence.


 * Have you had a chance to look this over? -- Yyp  (Talk)  12:12, December 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. -- Yyp  (Talk)  22:49, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Committee vote
Mohrpheus has been nominated for a position on the Policy/Standards Committee by Minato88. I've put up a vote on it at the Admin Talk Page. --Yyp 20:11, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Your opinion on this unneccessarily long subject.
http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Gin_Ichimaru#An_Ability_of_his_Shikai_left_out.Saimaroimaru 00:25, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for you intervention, I tought it was going to go on forever. Please mark that conversation as resolved so that we don't have someone continueing the arguement when its been decided. Again thanks.Saimaroimaru 02:31, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Hello Admin
Hi, I'm Sxerks, from the Anime & Manga Hub

I'm asking admins of Anime-related wikis if you would add this link   to the bottom of your SIDEBAR. Its a link to the Anime & Manga Hub on Wikia.

We are currently working on adding basic pages as well as a list of anime wikis on wikia.

We Also have a monthly Anime/Manga spotlight on our Main Page. Read about it here.

A lot of admins here so I picked the ones with the most recent activity, you and Arrancar109 to talk to.


 * --Sxerks 23:24, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Main Page
I think it looks fine, though the main column is a little long. I'm afraid most people wouldn't bother to scroll down to see the featured picture/quote. Maybe we can get rid of some of the old news or something? To shorten it up a bit. Twocents 15:21, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and I tried to make minor edits to the Bleach Wiki:Featured Picture & Quote‎, but I'm not sure why the changes aren't showing up on the main page. Twocents 16:56, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Policy and Standards Project
I understand what you are saying regarding my recent nomination into the Committee. I also understand the responsibilities associated with the position, and in reality, only agreed to be nominated because I was asked to. If the need arises, I would gladly work on an individual project, though the anime episode and manga chapter pages seem to be the highest priorities of the group, especially since they require more work than any other articles. Just wanted to clear that up, if it helps. Mohrpheus 18:52, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

The Committee Ordeals
Hey Salubri. I saw the messages u left Mohrpheus and Tinni and thought it might help if I clarify things. The Anime Summary deal is no longer a problem(possibly cause of the Winter Holiday Seasons). The problem was I had a hard time coordinating the efforts and had The Shadow Dragon, Tomservo101, Weedefinition, BollyW, Johnnylightning, and a few others all making edits to: Summaries, Characters Appearence, and Techniques; without doing it right, without adding links, adding personal thoughts, adding wrong links, and various other problems. All of this within the mid November time-frame and all on different pages.

As I told Tinni it was alttle too much(all at once, especially with the limited time I could spend on here at this time) and I saw she had left a message on the Committee Page asking for help with the Volume Summary Project, so I referred some of them to that project. At any rate the Anime Summary Project has slowed way down(cause of the Holidays). I know I haven't been on much lately(& I apologize for that), but I am busy with my life and hopefully after New Years I can get back to being on here full-time again(of course I will continue to work on the project and update its progress). O.k. thats basically what was implied when discussions were made with Mohrepheus.

On a side note. I know there are other projects that need to be done, but I am having a hard time getting users to even join the committee (let alone join and then take on a whole new project). I know that Committee members should have to do projects, but saying things like that would just scare them off. I also know that if they become uninterested in joining it because of such words, then they shouldn't be members in the first place. However, they might take the message the wrong way and think that it is a job or something and might consider it a whole lot more work then it actually is. They also might fear it as if they do not complete enough of it FAST enough then the Admins will take their position away from them(when really the Admins and other Committee members would just help out alittlt(or atleast I would)). This next part is just an opinion and u can correct me if I am mistaken.

The point of the Committee is to find Junior users, make them Seniors and get their help with fixing up this website, and keeping Vandalism to a minimum(which is why they are given Roll-Back Rights). I don't know how many projects u or the others have in mind (I do know about the battle project), but I would be more then interested in hearing about them. The truth is Users Kisukeiscool and SalmanH were the two best candidates for the Third Seat Position(I know the upper seats should be Senior Users already), but both of them turned it down and I have gone to more drastic means and am currently looking for Juniors whom can get the job done. Here is the message I left Tinni about the nomination ordeal. Hey Tinni. I know the committee has not been around for very long, but no one else seems to be applying for it & I feel that finding three more candidates would be a relief for u, I, and the Admins. I know u and Salubri have decided to let them nominate themselves, but what if someone whom is not quite skilled enough or for another reason applies and is rejected. Sometimes rejection can be be worse then not being picked cause of favoritism.

I also really wanted the Third Seat to be a more experienced user, but all of them are either uninterested or have left(maybe Mohrpheus will surprise me). I have contacted User:TomServo101 about the Fourth Seat Position and I have User:Gold3263301 in mind for the Fifth(possible Fourth). I would like u'or opinion on these two and also on User:Abigail16. Just one question on my part(& srry for the long message). Will there be more Seats added at a later date? I originally heard the Committee was supposed to have Eight Seats. Minato 22:27, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Quotes
Okay. I didn't know if it was a matter of he's a part of that race regardless of whether others choose to acknowledge him as so (just like you're human, regardless of whether or not anyone else wants to say you're a human) or if the Vizard thing was more clique-ish. I had a bit of a mental debate in trying to decide where to put the quotes, but I can move them to Shinigami instead. Twocents 05:09, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. That seems reasonable enough. I'm willing to go with that. Twocents 05:35, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

I've just undone a couple of edits calling Tosen a Vizard (his page and the Vizard template). I've put him down as a hybrid in his infobox just to stop people from adding Vizard back in. Someone has started a topic on it at Talk:Vizard. -- Yyp  (Talk)  15:01, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

I can understand the confusion regarding the "is he a Vizard or not?" issue (considering I, myself, was initially unsure). Would it be useful, then, to have a forum or something that explicitly says why he's not classified as a Vizard, so we're not carrying on the conversation on several different article talk pages and such? Twocents 21:45, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Edits
I see. Thank you for the clarification. And I apologize if you thought that I was vandalizing the Zommari Leroux page (I was trying to reference and then when I saved, it resulted in all the references on the Hueco Mundo arc synopsis disappearing) --Mr. N 05:55, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

I also apologize for not properly formatting my message on your chat page (adding a "box-thing"). I still am not quite familiar with all the functions of Wikia. Once again, my apologies for appearing to vandalize a page! Mr. N 06:07, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

I'm really not sure what to say to this, when I checked the history on the page I that page I actually thought you were making a minor edit and the user after you was the one who wrote it because the summary said "possible spoilers of yet to be released chapter" but when I recently checked it it said new information added by Salubri I must have skimmed the message when I read it and misinterpreted it as something else. I apologise and it won't happen again.--SalmanH 08:03, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

It's perfectly understandable, you had every right to do so, and it didn't really seem like you were angry but it did look like you were tired of it, anyway it's no problem and thanks for letting me know about this.--SalmanH 08:18, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

(In regards to your post on fights, events, invasions, wars and battles). Alright. I definitely was unaware of that fact. Thank you for pointing that out. I will make sure to keep that in mind. ^_^ --Mr. N 02:17, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Central Wiki
Salubri, did u get the message from Central Wikia, about the Fall updates? If u know what i'm talking about I could use a little help. Minato 18:42, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

OK, thank u for replying. I think u fixed my problem. After getting and reading what it had to say, I dismissed it. Afterwards the orange bar saying I have new messages wouldn't go away and no matter what I tried it stayed on, but after u'or message it has gone away. Thanks, Minato 19:03, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Policy
Today, I spoke with User:Logeys about image titles and adding images to articles correctly. I left about four messages and had Yyp look over them, and he confirmed that my messages were clear. When I came back from work, though, I saw that Logeys had continued to ignore the direction I had given him on following the manual of style. While Arrancar109 and Yyp had spoken to him about it before I did today, they're conversation with Logeys wasn't an official warning.

The point of this, then, is are we going to continue are nice policy and have me issue an additional warning about it, or are we going to be stricter, like you and I had discussed on the Administrators‎‎ talk page? I wanted your input before I took any additional actions. Twocents 01:10, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I was thinking of saying something like, "Because you have chosen to continue to disregard policy and directions that were given to you, despite multiple explanations, your actions are subject to the blocking policy. When you are no longer blocked, we would love to have you continue to contribute to the wiki, as long as you follow the manual of style. If you are still unsure on how to properly title image files and how to add them to articles, you are welcome to consult me or another admin." And then do the third warning on the block policy - the two weeks. I think that even though Arrancar109's and Yyp's posts weren't official warnings, in total, he was spoken to about it six times, and it seems a little lenient to continue to disregard his actions. ...I ramble. Sorry. Twocents 01:29, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
User:Aqfitz1 said he is a friend of User:Trey455 a guy an Admin blocked. He said u sucked and removed information from the Sokutsui page and another page. Can u block him. Minato 19:56, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind. Arrancar took care of it. Minato 20:10, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Royal Palace
I saw that someone made the article Royal Palace. What do you think? I'm kind of unsure on keeping it, since we have so little information on it that I'm not sure it warrants a separate article from what's already said on the Soul Society article. Twocents 01:00, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

I thought so, but wanted to check in case you knew more about the Royal Palace than what I could remember. I went ahead and deleted it and I'll leave a note on that user's page about not making articles on topics that we have so little information on. Twocents 01:34, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Template Discussion closed and Initiation
Hey Salubri. I have been labeling old discussions closed. Since no one has said otherwise I am assuming it is okay for me to do so, just as long as I provide results, especially for more recent discussions. Also, about New Image Discussions. For the ones that have been closed, I have decided to say that discussion for new images can be re-opened after three months. Is that okay? That way they won't have to post more requests lower on the page.

And about the three Committee prospects and I apologize about sticking my nose in Admin affairs. I liked the idea of an initiation. The Anime Project page is set-up for them if u guys like. I have explained my idea on Twocents talkpage. Minato 03:09, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

On Tensou Juurin etc.
I put in my thoughts on the translation of Tensou Juurin you asked me about. Let me know your thoughts.

Oh, and sorry if this seems random, but I had a couple of questions:

a) when I mistakenly made my first edit on the "Yammy" page before discussing it in that Talk Page, Twocents said I used the "wrong template" to do so and that she was "tired" of people doing so. Forgive the noobishness of this question, but what did she mean by "template"? Did she use it as a synonym of "protocol"?

b) I saw on Wikipedia that "anything a poster contributes to Wikipedia is copyrighted to them [...] and can be published later by them." Is this the case for contributions here on Wikia, as a "twin" site to Wikipedia? 'Cuz I harbor deluded (XD) hopes that maybe, someday, I could use some of my BLEACH contributions in a guidebook (as appear for many manga) that I write myself... assuming I can figure a way to do so without being sued back to the Stone Age ;). Would I be able to do so, and use the material I myself contribute in a later-to-be-published book of this kind?

Hope you can get back to me soon. Adam Restling 07:01, December 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * I had no idea I'd done such a thing to the template. Maybe it's best if I just give my ideas on talk pages, and then leave the execution of the edits themselves to mods like you who know what they're doing (unlike me). :) Adam Restling 07:28, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Shigekuni Yamamoto Genryuusai
I posted what I could unravel on the "Yamamoto" Talk Page, though it is still a bit of a mystery. If you have any questions or other thoughts, I'll do my best with them, though I may be slipping into lazy lurk mode (my natural state) for a while XD. Adam Restling 08:31, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Terms
Well, they always get messed with. "Great Spiritual Pressure" to "Immense" or vice-versa. Also the biggest one is "Master swordsmanship" to "Expert swordsmanship", which is an eternal war. I don't know when which should be used, but if I recall Tosen's is wrong as it is called "Great" when "Immense" is supposed to be used for Captains. Just checked it is wrong. Anyway my question is should we make a list or Table of Contents in the Manual of Style saying when which term is to be used. I don't remember seeing one, but if there is one can u point it out to me? Thanks. Minato 21:13, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Okay thanks. I do have one question about something else. What is u'or opinion here. I would like one other Admins opinion befor ewe act on it. Minato 22:02, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Image Size
I have no experience in making .gif files and I would not even know how to go about making one, so I'm afraid I can't help there. Maybe Shadow Dragon can help, since he seems to have some experience with them. -- Yyp  (Talk)  21:18, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Image Policy
I put together an image policy. If you could look over it on the Bleach Wiki talk:Administrators page and let me know what you think, that'd be spiffy. I'd love to have it up and official sooner rather than later, you know? Twocents  (Talk)  04:04, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Question
The fight between Hitsugaya and Harribel was a victory for Toshiro, as she was trapped and in time probably would have died if not for Wonderweiss. The fight between Starrk and Shunsui/Jushiro was undecided as it was interrupted. The fight between Soifon and Baraggan is hard to tell. I would say just to be accurate it was undecided as neither won and the Vizards and Wonderweiss interrupted. It could be implied that had the fight continued Soifon would have lost, but that is up to u. Minato  05:22, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Hey just letting u know that u miss-spelled Baraggan's name when u created the last fight page. Minato 06:34, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Quick note. The fight SAG vs Mayuri et al, you've put 'Zommari is killed' at the end. Just letting you know. TomServo101 15:07, December 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * I just fixed it. -- Yyp  (Talk)  15:43, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Nel
Should I Move Nels page. Number 10 on her talkpage pretty much says it all. Minato 23:29, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Srry bout Soifon's page. I felt that having two reference at the end of one short paragraph is better then eight. I don't know why the Show changes thing had those Clear boxes listed as undone cause I was actually the one who made them, but I don't have any way of proving that. I think my comp has a Virus or something cause weird things like that keep happening to me. Guess I'll check my Software, "sigh" again. Minato 01:58, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

All right...
What did I do this time? I'm asking because you reversed my edit of the Hirako page. --Reikson 02:18, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Saw that you can edit Kaname Tousen page.
This (狂枷蟋蟀) is the psuedo-Japanese translation for Grillar Grillo.

Did you know that Grillar is a Catalan word? It means 'to chirp' or 'to sprout'. --Reikson 02:11, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...
Okay, I see where you're getting at.

But here's the thing. If Kyouka Suigetsu can control the five senses, Aizen's essentially controlling what data gets relayed through the nervous system to the brain, which does all the actual work.

Does that mean that Aizen's controlling the processes of the brain itself, then?--Reikson 02:53, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Losing my mind?
Well after three hours of looking around I couldn't find a Virus on my comp. Still, am I going crazy. I could have sworn three hours ago when I looked at Soifon's history page when u undid my edit it said Clear boxes had been restored. Now it is saying u'or edit is what undid them. Here look. Am I remembering this wrong? Minato 05:11, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

OK then I am crazy. Thanks and sorry to bother u with meaningless stuff. Minato 05:17, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Tosen's Friend
You know, I recently realized that many deceased characters have no character page, but Tosen's friend does not. I know she does not have a confirmed name, but should we go ahead and create an article for her? Given the recent events in the manga, it's clear she's a huge pivotal point for Tosen. Arrancar109 06:09, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

True. Still, there isn't any info on her anywhere outside of Tosen's page. But then again, I also know (and agree) about the potential length problem. I think I'll write a rough draft of the "article" first, and if it doesn't live up to my length expectations/requirements, I'll just drop the issue entirely. If it does seem like it's decent in length, we'll see what happens before I try putting it up. How does that sound? Arrancar109 06:35, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Response
Thanks

Thanks for the comment. It was appreciated. I was thinking the same. Tho it is still speculation, I was thinking that Kensei and Mashiro(& Ichigo when he transformed while training), were in a short of imperfect Resurreccion state. However, eventho Ichigo didn't have control, the form Ichigo was his true Resurreccion. At any rate I hope the chapters get more descriptive soon or else we r going to have to leave Tosen's page locked. About Tosen. I will post on his talkpage all of the correct Kanji and translations given to me by Adam. Minato (Talk)  20:26, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Resurrección translations.
Why did you delete my edit on the Resurrección page? There is important information in the manga translations that 99% of peoople seem to overlook.

The Japanese Kanji for Ulquiorra's second Resurrección, as well as Tousen's Resurrección, both translate as "Swords Release" rather than "Returning Blade" in the case of the usual Resurrección. Meaning there is a difference.

This info should be on both the Resurrección and Tousen Pages. It's on Uquiorra's page, but it isn't pointed out clear enough.

Go check the RAW manga pages yourself.

帰刃 - return blade

レスレクシオン - Resurrección

刀剣解放第二階層 - sword release second level

レスレクシオン・セグンダ・エターパ - Resurrección Segunda Etapa

刀剣解放 - sword release

レスレクシオン - Resurrección

Resurrección translations
Go check the RAW manga pages yourself. This is not speculation. It's pretty rude that you're assuming I don't check my facts, while you seem to be to lazy to even check yourself.

帰刃 - return blade

レスレクシオン - Resurrección

刀剣解放第二階層 - sword release second level

レスレクシオン・セグンダ・エターパ - Resurrección Segunda Etapa

刀剣解放 - sword release

レスレクシオン - Resurrección Tari101190 20:58, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome, Salubri. I also added a couple of other posts on related Talk Pages you might not (or another mod might not) have seen yet, I think it was for "Tousen" and "Resurrección" again.

As for the underlying kanji changing while the katakana/phonetic spelling (also called in this kind of use ateji) stay the same, it's a slightly common practice in manga. The author wants to layer and nuance the meanings of names and words (especially if they are to be pronounced in a way approximating a foreign word's), so they write the kanji to have one central meaning, then write the ateji/katakana to indicate the pronunciation and add the "flavor" of a second meaning:

Del Toro (ateji デル・トロ Deru Toro) is meant to show the pronunciation is that of the Spanish for "of the bull"--and so to introduce this meaning into your mind as you read it--but the underlying kanji 蒼角王子 "pale-horned prince" combine with the other meaning to give the name a richer and more interesting, layered meaning.

The same thing occurs in the Slayers series. For example, the demonic overlord "Gaav/Garv" has a title:

魔竜王 lit. "devil dragon king"; but the ateji for these kanji are カオス・ドラゴン kaosu doragon "chaos dragon." By writing both, we get the nuanced meaning of Gaav/Garv as both a "devil dragon king" and a "chaos dragon." Personally, I love the enrichment such usage brings :) --as long as they give me what I need to figure it out! XD.

Why did Kubo use these different underlying kanji though? You're right, there's no telling. Maybe he just wanted to distinguish how unique Segunda Etapa and a Visored Resurrección are compared to a "regular ol' " Arrancar Resurrección. Adam Restling 08:03, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Tosen's Resurreccion
Can I add Tosen's Resurreccion to the list of Resurreccions on the Resurreccion page? Whether or not the others can do it is speculation, but he can so I feel it should be added. Minato (Talk)  00:01, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

OK thanks. I have another Tab open right now editing. Is Suzumushi Hyakushiki his release command? Minato (Talk)  00:39, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

WhiteStrike
User:Minato88 wondered if we should list WhiteStrike as being periodically inactive on the administrator's page, since he hasn't made any edits since Oct. 2. That way, people would know to seek one of the more active admins out if they need attention. I don't know WhiteStrike all that well, so I thought you might know better than I do if he's coming back soon or what. Twocents  (Talk)  01:34, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I'll go ahead and change that. I wonder whether he's going for a graduate or undergraduate degree? It makes me feel like I should be busier going to school full time and having two jobs. :P Twocents   (Talk)  05:22, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, goodness, that'd be a dream. Haha, I've already spent more time on here today than I have in classes or on studying for my finals. (Which I really should be doing; oh, well...). Twocents  (Talk)  05:47, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Size
I'd go along with that. I saw that User:The Shadow Dragon shrunk the gif he added to the Tsuzuri Raiden page, but it's very grainy. Certainly much lower quality than it was before. I don't know what happened that none of the gifs don't work at the 190px size anymore, but I hope they sort it out soon.-- Yyp  (Talk)  17:02, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Vizard
Sorry - completely missed that page. Tried to reverse the change, but you was already removed it.

Re:Hollow Ichigo
U kno I saw those, but didn't even read them. I just looked at the times of when they were posted and decided not to mark them closed. At any rate I will move them to the Watercooler. Minato (Talk)  23:07, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

No prob. I'll get everything together right now. Minato (Talk)  08:29, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Tosen
Ohh. Thanks for the info with Tosen. I'll go back and strike that through. I have a question about pages and category section. How come some pages have category sections at the bottom and others don't? Is it something one has to add to the page? Like a special code similar to how one would create a proper reference section? Minato (Talk)  17:20, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Category
Well, i'll use a characters page as an example. Chad seems good. Chad has four categories: Character, Human, Male, Needs Help(not sure y that last one is there). Yet other pages(like forums) don't. The reason I am asking about this is because User:Nick D Wolfwood (who is new here) tried to create a Forum about Vizard Resurreccion. Thepage ended up as a Floater and I moved his info to the Vizard Discussion Forum. I wanted to mark the page for deletion, but without a category section, I couldn't At any rate it seems it has been deleted, I am guessing by u. Minato  (Talk)  17:34, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Thats what I am asking. I kno how to add a category if the little bar is at the bottom, but I don't kno how to add a category if it isn't. Minato  (Talk)  17:48, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

OK so thats how its done. Thank u. Oh and Adam has replied about Momo. Minato (Talk)  17:59, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Personalization
Yo, I have a couple of questions for you regarding sigs and avatars.

First of all, how do you choose the color you want your signature to appear as? I never did figure out how to use the coloring system here.

Secondly, is there a way to save your sig once you've modified it this way, or do you have to remember the coding you used to make it up in the first place?

And finally, when you selected your avatar, did you do anything special with it (like Photoshop it), or did you just do something basic? Arrancar109 17:59, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks for the help. Arrancar109 (Talk)  18:43, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Hey
Forgive my noobishness, but I'm not sure exactly what the thing you're talking about will entail. That, and I find myself embarrassingly confounded by what is, to you guys, probably the easiest thing to do, which is make edits (e.g. constructing things like the tables and columns that occur with most pages). Of course, some of that is doubtless because, in my laziness, I haven't taken a good gander at the "How to" sections of Wikia XD. I just rode in from Wikipedia, where most of it was more straightforward and already well underway, and found myself a goof-up here. But at least I can get the info to the people who can do sophisticated edits, and put my advice into practice.

I just want to stress again that I'm no great expert, and that heavier-duty translations can still trip me up. Like any language, Japanese has many particles, grammatical rules, idioms etc. that can make determining the correct(est) pronunciation difficult for an "advanced novice" like me. Thus, things like long sentences of Japanese and/or multiple clauses have gotten me looking silly a few times.

However, if it's along the same lines as I've been doing, like checking (where I can, like if I can find a good raw) kanji usage and meaning, for names of people, attacks and weapons, then I should definitely be able to continue helping.

Sorry... this must seem like kind of an aimless ramble XD. I guess I just wanted to be clear before I accidentally rope you into something.

Oh, and as for title or something, I don't need some kind of moderator or the like status of glory. I'm fine being a somewhat-frequent but irresponsible contributor ;) . Adam Restling 18:35, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good, then. I guess if I'm still too lazy to get it, I can always ask you guys to do it and just hide behind my translation contributions XD. Also, I'll apologize in advance if, as I (believe I) put on my Talk Page, circumstances sometimes keep me from replying to you or others quickly. Especially now, since I just started a temporary job for the rest of December, and the hours seem to be wacky. Adam Restling 18:52, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Re:References
I'm sorry, but I really have no idea what you're talking about. What referencing project/opening of pages was this in reference to? I've been offline for a few days - finals, whee - so I guess I must have missed something? Twocents  (Talk)  23:26, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

TomServo
Hey Salubri. Just to catch u up a bit. Since Arrancar109 said Gold and Tom were good to go I have given them the initiation. Tom asked me if the contribs to Episode 249 and Episode 250 would count as part of his test. I asked Yyp, but he has probably logged off for the night, so I decided one Admin is as good as another. Minato (Talk)  00:56, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

OK. I told him. Minato (Talk)  01:09, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Archiving
Hey, dear. I've gotten myself mostly caught up on what happened these last few days. I read through the Bleach Wiki talk:Administrators page, and was wondering - should we consider archiving it? A lot of the topics have been dealt with (like the image policy) and it's a bit much to scroll through. Just an idea I wanted to throw out there. Twocents  (Talk)  01:19, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'll take care of that then! Twocents  (Talk)  01:29, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

NOW what did I do?!?
I've been trying to refine the Tousen page a bit.--Reikson 02:40, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Eh?
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

If it's about those dots in-between the... kanji? furigana? katakana? kana? oh, WHATEVER! Anyway, if it's about that, I do that so that other readers can see where one phrase ends and the next one begins. I did the same with Grillar Grillo. --Reikson 02:46, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Well, excuse me for trying to be detailed. As I recall, you certainly didn't have any problem with me doing it to the Zanpakutou page, or I don't know how many other pages that I've worked on.

If you want me to stop editing altogether, fine by me. --Reikson 02:57, December 17, 2009 (UTC)