Talk:Jin Kariya

Junk Trivia?

 * Jin Kariya's powers were presented somewhat inconsistently throughout his appearance. He fought two captain-level Shinigamis' Bankais (Byakuya Kuchiki and Ichigo Kurosaki) at once without releasing his doll, but when he received the power of the Jokai Crest and also released his doll's full power, he lost to Ichigo's Bankai alone, despite Ichigo not gaining in strength in between the encounters (although Ichigo's power level is known to fluctuate depending on his level of resolve).

I don't usually do this, but this lengthy trivia came across to me as redundant and all-around unecessary. Because of its size, I didn't want to delete it right off the bat. Am I the only one that thinks that there is something wrong with it?Mohrpheus 18:23, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

I doesn't serve any real purpose, but it makes sense to point out. Kariya, after all, is one of the most powerful anime characters, and the level of his power is questioned throughout the series.--Kylecharmed 22:29, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

You are correct. That is a junk trivia and it has now been removed and no, it is not our job to point this out as it is a form of opinion. If the reader draws this opinion based on what's written in the synopsis section then that's great. But as a wiki, we shouldn't really provide commentary like that. Tinni  (Talk)  00:17, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

ichigo vs kariya
in the article it says that ichigo defeated kariya but didnt kariya defeat ichigo and then disintigrated into dustKDOTKAY88 21:31, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Invalid Picture?
I am highly suspicious of this picture. It's definitely not from the anime, so I suggest for it to be replaced with a picture from the actual anime that shows this particular version of Kariya. Gold3263301 02:05, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

It looks almost fanart-like but even if its not fanart, it's most definitely from a game. I am removing it for now but not putting a delete notice. Let's see if anyone can identify the episode and scene its suppose to be from. Tinni  (Talk)  03:00, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

I highly doubt it's from a game, since Kariya has never been in a video game. However, it still may very well be from some other form of media, like a DVD set or a card image. Either way, you're right to say it's an invalid picture, since the source isn't from the anime. He does wear that outfit before his mansion is destroyed, but if we were to use an image regarding this (personally I don't think it's necessary), then we should probably go for something in the anime. Arrancar109 (Talk)  03:36, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Jōkaishō
Isn't the Jōkaishō one of Kariya's powers, even if he just attained it?--Gran Danku 19:17, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Great to Immense
Considered doing this during my current overhaul edit, but for the sake of adhering to the rules that so many ignore and on the off chance that I'm just overly favoring a character I like, I figure I should put it up for discussion first here instead.

In my opinion, we should classify Kariya as having Immense Spiritual Power instead of merely Great for a few reasons:
 * 1) The guy manhandled Ichigo using his Shikai with just his bare hands, not even getting his Doll involved, during their first couple fights.
 * 2) Kariya having fused with Messer is stated to have enhanced the power of both, in Kariya's case physically and spiritually.
 * 3) Kariya proceeds to evenly match Byakuya fricking Kuchiki during their fight prior to Ichigo showing up and making it a 2-on-1.
 * 4) Kariya not only consumed living Souls, which explicitly boosts Bount power way above average, but also drank the most Bitto serum out of any of his group, which does the aforementioned but with even more potency.
 * 5) Finally, he's consistently on-par with Ichigo using Tensa Zangetsu every time they clash, and that's when Ichigo's got inflated/boosted Reiryoku and Reiatsu of his own.

So yeah, I feel like Great is kinda lowballing him, but I'm open to being proven wrong. If there's consensus on this, though, I'll make the change in the overhaul I'm currently working on.--Xilinoc (talk) 02:32, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I would say that as far as a one off filler arc villain I'm not sure his feats in this regard are legitimate enough to say he's more than what the arc required of a villain. Hence why its just 'great', is his showing more than others in his position? As we all know Ichigo is never a good judge of others powers anymore then we can judge him by his own ever changing power, as you know he's protected by shonen plot armor. Just my points on it. 05:59, 5 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but what about Byakuya, who is consistently powerful?--Xilinoc (talk) 06:06, 5 May 2021 (UTC)


 * While I agree with Sal that comparing him to Ichigo (especially at that point in the timeline) might not be the best way to rate him, Xil does have a point that fighting equally with Byakuya (who is probably next to Shunsui and Ukitake when it comes to both power and skill then) is a feat of its own. Granted, it's been years since I watched the Bount arc, so my memory on it's a bit foggy, but if Xil says that Kariya could rival Byakuya, then I don't see a reason not to list him as "Immense".
 * Besides, at least Kariya has some explanation for his power; as opposed to Ōko Yushima, who is "Soul Society destroying powerful" without any real reason, afaik.Timjer (talk) 07:33, 5 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Normally I would agree with Sal, but Kariya is kind of a special case, because when presented in the context of the anime, Kariya and his power had more long term impacts on the plot and unlike other non-canon villains, he is referenced at least once past the Bount arc. Since his power set is explained well enough and his impact in the anime, I agree with Xil in rewording the article a bit. 13:24, 5 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Alright, with a consensus of 3 to 1, I'll make the change. Glad I wasn't alone in seeing it.--Xilinoc (talk) 23:17, 5 May 2021 (UTC)