Talk:Hooleer/Archive 1

Start
I've laid the bare bones of the script for this article, but due to my lack of computer skills, I'm stumped as to how to add pictures, bold, etc. Could someone flesh it out for me?

Thanks muchly TomServo101 00:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Name
THERE'S NO PROOF THAT HE IS CALLED SUPERCHUNKY--Kisukeiscool100396 00:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

watch the caps. and that is his name Eliskuya2 00:15, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes KIC. We know. We had a quick discussion on one of the forums (can't recall which-it wasn't the purpose of that particular forum) and it was agreed that we would call him that for now until his real name is revealed.

Is that ok? TomServo101 00:19, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

At the moment we have no concrete proof that this is or isn't his name, other than it was the title of the chapter where he was fully introduced. However, this does not mean it is his actual name but for the time being it's the best idea we've got. So rather than not having a page, I think this is our best option until Kubo confirms an actual name. Blackstar1 00:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, seeing that we don't know its name, shouldn't we add a note that said something like "the actual name of this character/creature has not been officially revealed", even if we kept the Superchunky thing? Especially since most Hollow creatures and techniques are Spanish based; Superchunky doesn't seem to fit into that pattern. Lia Schiffer 00:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I compeletly agree with Lia Schiffer upon this issue, this course of action would at the very least prevent numerous misunderstandings and the unnecessary work caused by them, no matter what unofficial final name is decided upon. However, I stand by my previous statement that this is the most appropriate name at this time. I personally don't particularally like the name nor do I believe it to be it's official name but it is the only one created from an official source, the title of chapter 363. A name such as Wonderweiss' pet or companion would be inappropriate, as it's intial appearence is well before Wonderweiss' own creation, showing it is not directly connected to him. Any other title would be pure speculation, at the current time. Blackstar1 02:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm not for removing the article, but "Superchunky" just doesn't cut it with me. If it indeed stemmed from a chapter name, then we should go with something else. Yes, I admit that "Wonderweiss' pet" or "Wonderweiss' companion" are out. Probably something along the lines of "Unnamed Giant Hollow" would be more suitable. "Superchunky" would either redirect to this article or to the article regarding the chapter. Either way though, I think the article should have "Unnamed" in the title for now at least, since we went with that route before with Nirgge, since his name wasn't revealed at the time of his debut. However, if the Hollow is named in chapter 365, then we'll probably change it again. Either way, I still don't think "Superchunky" is a good name. Hell, I thought it was a garbage article until I peaked inside. Arrancar109 02:55, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

From the spoiler scripts I've read so far, it appears unlikely that a name will be displayed in chapter 365, so an alternative such as "Unnamed Giant Hollow" with an apporpriate redirect appears to be the best and most likely option. Blackstar1 03:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Before everyone gets out their zanpakuto and tries to behead me, I didn't start the page, I just wrote the article. The info box was already up when I typed it.

'Unnamed Giant Hollow'...That maybe an alternative title, but we have no real proof that this is in fact a hollow. It is likely, I grant you, but not confirmed. Why not 'Wonderweiss' companion'? You can't fault that one...

Can you? TomServo101 10:08, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Superchunky is a good name but isn't right to put it in a Wiki. I know it's irrelevant, but I like to call it as Más Grande(more big), because his finger are Menos Grande(less big) Coutinho305 01:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I know there is no proof that he is called superchunky but many of the fans do refer to him as superchunky. The latter is a fact and that's why I put it in the trivia section as "Although he has not been named, many fans call him superchunky due to the fact that he arrived in Fake Karakura Town in the chapter called Superchunky from Hell". That is a fact! Fans are referring to him as superchunky. But then someone goes to deletes it. Well whatever! Tinni 00:32, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

On Mangahelpers forums and Bleach Asylum forums all the members call it/him "Superchunky" therefore we should name the page Superchunky, i personally typed in superchunky in the search bar to look for him/it Urtear 02:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I put back the trivia fact that fans are referring to this hollow as Superchunky and I would really appreciate people not removing it for no good reason. I mean, it might not be his name but fans ARE referring to him as Superchunky. That's a legitimate trivia wiki fact to me and therefore should be included in this wiki. Tinni 02:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Super...Chunky?
This is a joke,right?

gohanRULEZ 00:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Anyone else think Wonderweiss' companion is reminiscent of a Janitor from Dangai? They both seem to look alike and similiar abilities. A Janitor is able to cancel/destroy a zanpaktou, and since shikai is just a form of a zanpaktou.... It just seems to make since.

That's a possibility,maybe's it Hueco Mundo's Janitor.

gohanRULEZ 04:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, but how would Wonderweiss get one to help him?

Maybe it a Gillan type?

gohanRULEZ 10:18, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Gillians all look the same and i doubt 1 to be powerful enough to blow away the flames, it should be an adjuchas or maybe toshiro was wrong on how vasto lorde look like.

--Pyarox 10:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it's the King of Gillans(hence why it's fingernails are Gillan masks).

gohanRULEZ 20:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Fura is a lot bigger than the janitor was. That thing was only a couple of stories high at most. Fura would dwarf it. --Yyp 13:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Fura/Führer
I think Fura's name can be romanized as Führer. Can I move page to Führer?

The names are in no way simmilar, so, no Ancient Chaos 23:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the thought also crossed my mind, but the Japanese pronounce Führer as Fyūrā, not Fūrā, so... Auron85 00:20, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Does 'Fura' actually mean something? TomServo101 06:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't hold any meaning, because the original name was written in katakana, which is the japanese syllable system for foreign words (meaning, it only shows the way how to read the word). However, I have a feeling it will be, at the very least, brought up in one of the following chapters... Maybe then a proper way to romanize the name will be explained.... Auron85 13:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Gender
In the infobox and for the categories, it's listed as male, but do we know that it's male? If so, we should change the entire article to use the male pronouns instead of it. Otherwise, I think it should be removed from the Male category and the gender should be listed as unknown. Twocents 03:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

You sure?
I think it's possible that Fūrā wasn't the Hollow that transported Aizen, Gin and Tousen to Hueco Mundo. Just because Gin says that there are more like him, so, it's really possible that they LOOK like him. That can be just a mistake of Komamura. Rambard 17:02, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

New main image


I just think that we could change the main image to this:

Yoruichi shunko 11:33, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

We don't need to discuss this. Manga pic to corresponding anime pic is automatic. I'll make the change. Thanks for the image. Tinni  (Talk)  13:10, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Name
Hooleer. Discuss. Bluesun1 (talk) 22:36, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Proof?? Provide it and discussion will commence!! SunXia   (Chat)  22:55, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * See the page linked. Bluesun1 (talk) 22:57, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see no proof there, no screenshots of names and no confirmation from the creator!! I even see other names that are incorrectly spelt!! SunXia   (Chat)  22:59, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * One, two, and now three photos are there. I can't screenshot a physical book. And would you want a photo of the front? the spine? listing Kubo Tite as the author? Risa(since you list no others, I don't know what else you refer to)... all I can suggest is that perhaps Risa is her Anglicised Japanese name, after all MASKED names her Risa, and looking on her talk page so does some clear...card...gum...thingy?. Bluesun1 (talk) 23:45, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

No, actually Bluesun is right. I bought the Resurrected Souls Vol. 2 and in the back of the spine-poster it includes all the character names in Romaji. "Fura" appears as "Hooleer". I'll try to upload a picture later but the poster is attached to the book and it's difficult to handle. -- Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  20:24, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

I wanted to add, to the cause of this matter, that in Japanese, there is no syllable for "Hu" or in this case "Hoo", thus it is represented with the same sound as "Fu" (my Japanese teacher calls one of my classmates "Fuan" when his name is "Juan" <>). What I mean with all this is that the Japanese for Fura and Hooleer would be essentially the same in Kana. I also want everyone to remember that "Fura" is a fan translation, whereas "Hooleer" is the closest we will ever get to an official romanization, since it comes in a Shonen Jump release -- Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  07:22, April 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * As I said in the forum, before we go about changing anything, we need a statement of authorship, proving that it was Kubo who wrote this. If that cannot be found then it is no better than a fan translation. If we have the statement of authorship, then yes, we can go about changing it. However, we will not be changing things like Lisa -> Risa, that was decided against long ago since Adam said that both are correct and either could be used. Let's not forget that masked also said it was Syunsui.--

If you want Kubo's signature under the name you know very well it's not going to happen, but it befuddles me that you people are favoring a fan translation over an official source, seeing how Kubo is the one credited as the author of the book, which is released by Shueisha and Shonen Jump, the title holders for Bleach. If you really need the authorship thing here's a pic from my own book, crediting Kubo as the author, though I apologize for the awful quality and here's another one that shows Kubo's name on the spine. if by your standards, both "Fura" and "Hooleer" are "fan translations" shouldn't we at least go with the one provided by the ones that hold the right to the series? I'm sorry, but I fail to see the logic behind all this reluctance to the change. -- Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  05:20, April 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * No need to get angry Lia. You know how things work around here. We need proof that Kubo had a part in this and its not another of the projects he has just slapped his name on like he has done in the past with the anime and movies. What you provided seems to say that Kubo was involved to an extent. I can make the move and change all necessary links to point to Hooler with my bot provided an admin gives their approval.--

I'm not getting angry, doing so for such a minor character would be beyond absurd. I never fought the Risa-Lisa thing because the difference is minimal, but we're talking about a completely different name here. It's impossible to know if Kubo himself penned the name, but I sincerely doubt the editors at Jump randomly came up with them, and even if they did, I still see no reason to favor a name that was equally randomly made up by an scanlating group (just like Yami Riyalgo which was intended to be Yammy Llargo originally was) rather than the one that has at least the validation of Kubo's signature in the book, regardless of whether he wrote it himself or not.-- Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  05:41, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

I think the page can be moved to Hooleer, leaving Fūrā as a redirect & adding the "sometimes incorrectly romanized" spiel to the intro. It is an official source vs fan scan and likely the best we will ever get at this stage since it was not clarified in Unmasked. 11:55, April 4, 2012 (UTC)