Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner/Archive 9

About the Technique Desgarron
Well, guys, mind me if I am being rude or something, but see that, "Tear" is not the exact meaning of the action that "Laceration" means. "Tear" is used to describe the act of tearing apart something while using a general description of the act going on; where Laceration is a word that means something that involves more violent slash-hack type tearing through something which is the technique - Desgarron of Grimmjow is. Plus, while the Spanish means the both of the English words, the Laceration is more appropriate here I think as "Desgarron" is something that fits the term "Laceration" than "Tear". Also, in the anime the term "Laceration" is used instead of "Tear". So, wouldcha mind considering "Laceration" instead of "Tear" in the translation for Desgarron, please? Ryuga Vincent (talk) 20:21, January 25, 2013 (UTC) Ryuga Vincent

Well, lacerate and laceration are, *technically*, kind of synonyms of tear, deriving from Latin lacer, torn; however, my Spanish dictionary has desgarrón translate as "big tear"--being an augmentative of the underlying stem desgarra- "tear"--and laceration does tend to convey, by its very length (three syllables to one in tear) and rarer use, a higher degree of tearing, so I'd be cool with changing the trans. of Desgarrón to "laceration" or "great tear". Adam Restling (talk) 04:14, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Unohana's Bankai
Supposedly the raw for 526 gives a different name (皆尽) then the fan translation which has been translated as Minizuki, which cant be the name as its the general name of her zanpakuto. We obviously need the translation for the kanji we placed here.--

I found something that may help you, Adam. A well known translator on BA had this to say. Many other translators have confirmed this, but this wiki needs your confirmation. Thank you very much!--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 22:09, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

''Unohana's bankai is written in kanji, which is called 皆尽, different kanji from her shikai 肉雫唼 .. but the same pronounciation : Minazuki a bit more changes...''

Unohana's bankai : 皆尽 means "Deplete everything" if anyone is interested, while her shikai 肉雫唼 means "Purify the flesh"

Mangahead's RAW is out and it really is as said before, the Bankai name is pronounce as Minazuki just as the Shikai, however it is written with the kanjis 皆尽 instead of 肉雫唼. Source: http://mangahead.com/index.php/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-526-Raw-Scan/04.jpg?action=big&size=original&fromthumbnail=true - Gorenja (talk) 17:40, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

The raws are out now, and Cnet's translation is also out. They also said that her Bankai's name is pronounced and romanised the same as her Shikai, but it translates to "An End to All Peoples' Lives". Here's a link to Cnet's translation- .--Yomiko-chan (talk) 18:38, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Like you guys said above, the raw confirms 皆尽, read Minazuki, is her Bankai. Lit., "all (things)/every(thing)" + "be spent, be consumed, end": -zuki < tsuki, here, is the infinitive/gerund form of the verb tsukiru, which is the intransitive form, meaning "(oneself is) spent, consumed, (coming to an) end"--that is, "all things" are the things ending, not the things which are ending something else.

For those reasons, I would translate it as, most faithful I can be to the seeming intent (based on the lit.), "all things' end"--i.e., "the ending of all things".

Special note: the "translation" of Unohana's Shikai Minazuki as "purify the flesh", it should be noted, is an extremely liberal interpretation (did Kubo claim that was it???). The Kanji themselves, 肉雫唼, are "flesh, meat" + "drop, trickle" + a very rare Kanji used (in Chinese) for vulgar chewing, "the gobbling sound of ducks", and even "speak evilly"--lots of bestial/unsavory mouthings, in other words. The reading seems to be based on minazuki (水無月 "waterless moon"), the "sixth month of the lunar calendar" ("waterless" prob. referring to the moon's fullness at this time), during which summer purification rites (minazukibarae) were undergone.

If I were to do a translation based on the Kanji of the Shikai, it would prob. be "flesh-drops' gorge"; but "purify the flesh" is quite a reach, in that it consists, itself, of several reaches. Adam Restling (talk) 03:35, February 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the translation. So does the translation of her Bankai confirm the flesh melting thing as literal?--Yomiko-chan (talk) 03:57, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea what her Bankai does, really, even with its Kanji revealed. Hopefully, Kubo will spell it out for us some time (soon). Adam Restling (talk) 04:02, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Isshin's Zanpakuto Release Command
We are getting the the release command as "Burn". We still need kanji and of course accurate translation.--


 * Engetsu's release command is 燃えろ (moero) - Burn, Fire up --B14 (talk) 12:23, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Looks like B14 has got it right: "burn" (intransitive) (燃えろ moero). Adam Restling (talk) 11:50, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

God of the Sword
His title apparently is "God of the Sword" (刀神, Tōshin) is always trying to make sure this is an accurate translation.--


 * Looks like your Kanji and rōmaji are indeed correct up there: Tōshin (刀神), "Sword God". But maaaaaan, are Mangahead's raws blurry. Adam Restling (talk) 11:46, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Error on Oshō page
I think there is an error on his page. His is name is listed as Osho (和尚| Bonze). That's not right is it? I tried to fix it but my edit was undone for some odd reason. I thought it was established that Bonze is an error, but is there something I'm not getting? Here is the Raw where his name is first said.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 01:43, January 17, 2013 (UTC) http://raw.senmanga.com/Bleach/517/8


 * See here for some of the details; but, in summation, it was Mangapanda that "translated" the kenning for this character, Oshō, as "Bonze". I'd probably just leave it as Oshō, then give some kind of explanation, further down on the page, like "Oshō is an honorific term for an esteemed or head monk or priest; it's unknown whether this is to be taken for his more formal title, or simply a nickname given him by Kyōraku, based on his appearance."


 * What do you mod folks think? Is writing it "Oshō (和尚 Bonze)" in the article kind of confusing or misleading, in light of the ideas in the above? Adam Restling (talk) 21:34, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Kaidou
What is the official translation/romanization for this term? I'd assume it is similar to the other two, but we just need to make sure. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  03:02, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * There is a footnote on the page, . I'm not sure what kaidō means, maybe something like "roundabout way". — ЖенёqSig.png 08:10, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

The above looks correct. It seems that Kaidō (回道) means "turn way"; the footnote seems to mean "Kidō used for treatment/cure". Adam Restling (talk) 12:03, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Gemischt and Echt
We have new quincy related words in the newest chapter (531). We have a general understanding of these words. Pure and Hybrid or mix breed but we need kanji and accurate translation per usual.--
 * 混血統 （ゲミシュト, gemishuto）
 * 純血統滅却師 （エヒト・クインシー, ehito kuinshī）
 * 混血 means "mixed-blooded" and 純血 means "pure-blooded", not sure about the third hieroglyph. — ЖенёqSig.png 20:41, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

統 means "kin, lineage, relation(ship)".

Thus, we have Gemischt (混血統 （ゲミシュト) Gemishuto）--Japanese for "mixed bloodlined", German for "mixed"--as opposed to Echt (純血統 （エヒト) Ehito)--Japanese for "pure bloodlined", German for "true, genuine"-- "castes" of Quincy. Adam Restling (talk) 11:44, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Houzankenbu
I came across this term while editing Tatsufusa Enjōji's page, while reading Chapter 105 of the manga (on page 14 to be precise). Mangapanda's translation of this term was "Dance of Blade Avalanche", but I wanted to check with you guys before putting anything on the wiki concerning this technique. 04:32,4/12/2013 04:32, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * 崩山剣舞 (ほうざんけんぶ) (from raws) — ЖенёqSig.png 07:57, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

The poet in me would render Hōzan Kenbu, based on order and apparent semantic intent, as "fallen-mount sword dance", or "sword dance of mountain-fall; "avalanche" seems to be, more properly, nadare (雪崩), more lit. "snow-fall, falling snow"--崩 is generally "fall/fell" in the sense of "(make) collapse/fall down (into ruin)". Thanks for the raw data Kanji :). Adam Restling (talk) 02:02, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

"White" and "Soul Suicide"
Since it doesn't seem to've been brought up yet, I wanted to give the Kanji and some commentary about some of the things in the recent "Everything but the Rain" chapters--only really two things ... for now. XD

The first is the weird "Hollowgami" that Isshin and Masaki fight, named White (ホワイト Howaito); this is a phonetic adaptation of English white, with the initial how- of the katakana meant to approximate the voiceless [hw-] sound that begins the word in those English dialects where this hasn't become a simple [w-].

The second is "Soul Suicide" (魂魄自殺 Konpaku Jisatsu); it should prob. be noted that it usu. appears in quotation marks, as if a more informal than "official" term. This is described as resulting from when the (forced) Hollowfaction of a soul progresses from not only the "destruction of the boundaries between the original and Hollow souls" but the "destruction of the boundaries between the soul itself and the external world", and "the soul, independent of (read: against) its own will, self-destructs"--sounds almost like the savaged soul loses its cohesion as an independent, singular entity separate from the rest of the world and does a kind of matter-antimatter counter-extinction.

Might add some more tidbits if it seems apt; I'm sure if there are more terms I may've forgotten at the moment. Adam Restling (talk) 11:55, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Sōeigeki
In Kidō/Appearances In Other Media there is no kanji or translation for an ability listed as "Soigeki" in the game Bleach: The 3rd Phantom. Reading a guide for the game, the kidō is named 蒼霙撃 Sōeigeki, which translates to "blue sleet attack". The name is listed on at. Would this be all right for me to add? Rabukurafuto (talk) 14:56, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Kanae Katagiri
We need kanji for Katagiri's page. Her full name has been recently revealed, and we need the kanji for her first and last name. I have not yet found a RAW scan, but once I do, I'll be posting it here. Arrancar109 (Talk)  08:49, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Well, we know how her surname (Katagiri) itself is written from the earlier chapters, 片桐 ("lone paulownia").

As for her given name (Kanae), it *MIGHT* be 香苗, **BUT** bear in mind that that's still unconfirmed and, as Arrancar sez above, waiting on a raw for verification. Adam Restling (talk) 10:25, May 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Her name is 叶絵. — ЖенёqSig.png 20:00, May 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I would rather get confirmation from someone on the Translation Corner. Arrancar109 (Talk)  00:44, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

I found the RAW. I've posted it up on the beginning of the section. Adam, you can now verify this whenever you're ready. Arrancar109 (Talk)  00:44, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for all your work :). Arrancar 's raw post looks to confirm what Zhenyoq told us: it seems that Kanae is written 叶絵; 叶 kana- is the root/stem of the verb kanau "come true; be suited; match, rival; bear"; and 叶 e is "picture, graph(ic), image". Adam Restling (talk) 05:07, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Aussheren or Auswählen
In the most recent chapter, Isshin said Yhwach carried out an operation called Aussheren. However, I'm also hearing some translation called it Auswählen. Which one is the correct one? I'd give you the raw but there doesn't seem to be one at the moment.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 17:55, May 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * The kana are アウスヴェーレン so it seems to be Auswählen. The Kanji are 聖別. — ЖенёqSig.png 20:08, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to Zhenyoq: yes, it does seem to be the second one, Auswählen; for more on why, read the explanation I put near the beginning of this post; but the chief indicator is that a katakana v (for German w) w/shouldn't appear in a form *Ausscheren. Adam Restling (talk) 09:32, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Schrift
Can someone please confirm this translation of, found on page 17 of chapter 543. Blackstar1 (talk) 22:49, July 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's what the raw says: Schrift (Shurifuto) *is* German for "script, (hand)writing"; and 聖文字 is 聖 "holy, sacred" + 文字 (moji) "letter/character (of the alphabet)".


 * Man, Kubo really needs more than just "holy" to stick in the names of all the Vandenreich: holy arrow, holy form, holy blood, holy letter ... holy crap XD. Adam Restling (talk) 05:11, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Choukaimon
What are the kanji for the portal Ouetsu used to send Ichigo to the Human World and back? RAW Mohrpheus   (Talk)  23:53, July 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * The Kanji for "Choukaimon" (which I guess should be spelled Chōkaimon on this site) *should* be "超界門" : chou, transcending, surpassing (thus also often used as the equivalent of English super~, e.g. in choujin "superman") + kai, world, realm + mon, gate. The translation "world-transcending gate" should be appropriate; and it is super, apparently going straight from the Kings-realm to the "Living" World without needing an Ouken or Kuukaku-blasting XD. Adam Restling (talk) 05:02, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yuki's hair clips
He says that they are used for self-destruction?) It's just a joke or what? — talk 15:40, January 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * From what I have seen of some fan translations, it appears that Shino says he is joking/lying. 12:33, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Shino speaks in another one of those slangy dialects Kubo's annoyingly fond of, but she does seem to be saying it's a gag: uso (嘘 ~ ウソ), lit. "lie/falsehood", is often used, informally, the way we use no way, yeah, right, or other such sentiments, much as it seems is the case here. Adam Restling (talk) 03:57, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Bount Mansion
On the Bount Mansion page, the romaji translation for バウントていたく is "Baunto no yashiki". I believe the kanji says "Baunto Teitaku", whatever that means. -- Aassdddai  talk  09:23, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Teitaku, in the meaning "mansion, residence", is spelled, in Kanji, as either 邸宅 or 第宅. I tried Googling バウントの邸宅/第宅 Baunto no teitaku and just バウント邸宅/第宅 Baunto teitaku, but I couldn't seem to find both words together in such a way--only results which had paragraphs incorporating "バウント" and then, later on, "邸宅". I guess, as a placeholder, though, バウントの邸宅 Baunto no teitaku, works alright, unconfirmed though it now seems to be. Adam Restling (talk) 03:48, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Volume 58 poem
魂 燃え立つ (kokoro moetatsu) 天の降るとも (ame no furu tomo)

Scan — talk 00:21, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Poems are always trickier, esp. if they use elastic and idiomatic elements with a number of possible meanings, as here; but my crack at translating the above goes like this:

"The soul burns up / though heaven falls"

Although, as Bleach Asylum's Chronus notes, the rare readings may intimate additional meanings/nuances were intended, though these are not confirmed: 魂 "soul" (when this = "one's identity, spirit", rather than one's animating life-force) is given the intended reading kokoro, which is properly "heart" (when this, too, is conceived as the spiritual rather than the physical organ); and 天 "heaven" is given the rarer reading ame, which is homophonous to the word for "rain"--and this could tie in well with 降る furu, "fall, descend", since this often used of rain- or snow-fall.

Thus, the idea of Chronus that a *wink wink* reference to Yamamoto (the "blazing heart") and Ichigo (whose duress causes rain to fall in his Zanpakutou's inner world) is hidden in the poem, too, seems plausible. Just FYI :). Now that I think on it, it may just be a reference to that fact that after Yamamoto "burns up" (uses his Bankai), all the moisture it'd evaporated in the Soul Society becomes a downpour of rain ("heaven falls") before the real Yhwach appears.

The word tomo is especially confounding as, amongst its possible meanings, are "(even) if"; "(al)though"; or just use for emphasis. Adam Restling (talk) 10:31, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Episode 166 english title translation error?
Hey Adam, I found a possible error for the english translation of episode 166. The original Japanese text and Romaji is

`Shiryoku VS shiryoku! Horō-ka shita ichigo'

「死力ＶＳ死力！ホロウ化した一護」

Currently the english title is Desperate Effort vs. Desperate Effort! The Hollowized Ichigo

It should be hollowfied and my own rough translation have it as hollowfied not hollowized and all of my own japanese bleach books (specifically Masked) have the technique as Hollowfication. Can you confirm the translation? -- 19:38, June 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Hollowfied seems to be the most prevalent term/translation, and I think the one used on this site, so this change you've suggested makes sense.


 * Plus, I learned something here: "desperate effort" is written, in Japanese, as "death/deadly power" (死力)--quite the dramatic interpretation. :) Adam Restling (talk) 09:16, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Name Nimaiya uses to refer to the new Zangetsu
This was brought to my attention by BlackQuimera08 in chat today. Apparently, when Nimaiya asks Ichigo if his new Zanpakutō feels right, he refers to Zangetsu with 斬月, which are its kanji, but that's not the odd part. Right next to it, there are the katakana ざんがつ or Zangatsu, which, according to Quimera, means "The Remaining Two". Now, I'm not sure if this has been commonly used by Kubo for a long time now or if it's new, and I'm not sure if the katakana really means "The Remaining Two", so I'd appreciate it if Adam could give his input on it. A picture of the most recent usage is to the right, and this is it being used in Chapter 539.--Xilinoc (talk) 02:22, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * He says not ざんがつ (Zangatsu) but ざんげつ (Zangetsu). You can see that on the both pages. — ЖенёqSig.png 14:02, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * So he's essentially just saying Zangetsu twice? I suppose that makes sense. Thanks for the help.--Xilinoc (talk) 14:35, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

The raw passage is just this (as Zhenyoq was talking about):

斬月 たちと

Zangetsu [the normal spelling as the furigana ざんげつ indicate] -with

"with [those]  Zangetsus"

The pronunciation zangatsu didn't appear. This Quimera fellow's interpretation seems, after mistaking ~getsu for ~gatsu, to be based on a homophonous element 残 "lingering, remaining" (which also appears in  Zan ka no Tachi; there's also another word zangetsu [残月], "moon lingering [in visibility from night into morning]", separate from Ichigo's, which means "slaying moon") + ga, maybe a mistake for the subject particle (?) + tsu, perhaps mistaken for tsū, a phonetic adaptation of English two (?).

Katakana don't usually mean anything (being phonetic and not semantic graphs, like Kanji are) beyond indicating the intended reading of the Kanji they describe.

In summation, the above raw page simply contains "Zangetsu" (斬月, the usual spelling/name) + tachi (たち "attached, et cetera", used as a pluralizing suffix to indicate that there are now more than one Zangetsu) + to ("and, with", since Japanese "pre"positions are often post-positions). As cited above, these combine with Nimaiya's lead-in from the other page to give SonoZangetsutachi to which, rearranged into English grammatical order, gives "With-those Zangetsu s ." Adam Restling (talk) 07:39, June 24, 2013 (UTC)