Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner

The Translation Corner is a group of Bleach Wiki users who are tasked with translating the various names, abilities, techniques and etc. found in the Bleach Universe. Being that Bleach is a Japanese manga that use Japanese, Chinese, Indian, German, Spanish and English language in various instances and cases, the use of translators is a focal point to the continuation of accuracy on the wiki. All users should read our Translation Guidelines before you start translating.

Roles of the Translation Corner
The following are the duties of the corner:


 * 1. To assure the correctness of all translations that are presented on the site.


 * 2. To determine the outcome of Contentious Translations: If a translation is questioned at all, that should be brought up in this section. In this way a translator, committee member or admin can explain why the translation is used or conversation can take place for translations that are harder to classify.


 * 3. To determine the correct translation of Zanpakutō (names, release calls, etc.): This section is for requests for translation of zanpakuto and zanpakuto related translations.


 * 4. To determine the correct translation of Character and element (e.g. devices) names: This section is for requests for translation of characters/techniques/equipment and general key words.


 * 5. To determine the correct translation of General/Other translation issues (e.g. conjugation/miscellanea): This section is for requests about translations that don't fit any particular criteria such as conjugation or such things such as accents used in the names.

Associate Members

 * Adam Restling (Primary Japanese Translator)
 * MarqFJA (Secondary Japanese Translator)
 * Vraieesprit (Japanese to English Translation)
 * ЖенёqSig.png

References & Sources

 * Kanji-to-English:
 * Tangorin
 * Mahou Kanji Dictionary
 * Kanji Networks
 * OldNihongo.J-Talk.Com
 * Basic Japanese verbal data: The imperative inflection of Japanese verbs

Associate Box
Ok folks I have finally gotten around to makeing the Associate Box. You can put it on your user page using the command. Below is what the box looks like. Tinni  (Talk)  14:37, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Translation Guidelines

 * Anyone doing any form of translation. Looking up on Google Translate or similar translation tools, is not translating. You are not doing the site any favors by doing amateur translation. Please refrain from using such tools.


 * This is not a conversation page. It is a simple question and answer page for translation. All conversations should be held on a particular user talk page or the talk page of this page.


 * Users should simply place their request and wait for it to be answered. To keep it simple, if the user posting the request has no real understanding of translation, the point is not for you to learn how to translate here. Usage of the page should extend no more then to asking for a translation to be done. Please refrain from badgering the translators for understanding on why a translation is translated a certain way. If you knew anything about translation you wouldn't be asking someone else to do it, therefore it makes no sense to argue with them.


 * If you are not a member of the translation corner, please do not answer translation questions. Leave it to our translators so as to avoid confusion.


 * Admin have the final say on the translation being placed into a article.

Contentious Translations
I'm not sure how "contentious" this is, but I'm not sure where else it would go. I've noticed that while Kokujō Tengen Myō'ō has an apostrophe separating the two ō's, Kikōō (the phoenix from the Sōkyoku) does not. Is there a reason behind this?--Xilinoc (talk) 05:02, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Nope XD.

This is just an artificial device used by some romanizers to a) as here, separate identical phonemes (like the two ōs) for aesthetic/legibility reasons, or b) to distinguish one phoneme from another phoneme, which would otherwise look identical in romanization. An example of the latter would be, say, the Japanese masculine name Kenichi. Often times, a name of this sort will be *rextra*-romanized as Ken'ichi to show that the (underlying) hiragana spelling would be KE-N-I-CHI, with the centre two kana being the (syllable/mora-final) nasal (-)n (ん) and the vowel i (い), rather than KE-NI-CHI, where the central kana is now the single syllable/mora ni (に). This is apparently to aid in pronunciation/spelling-understanding, but I don't like it, its artificiality, or its (IMO) lack of necessity. I say, just remember it's usually Ken-i, not Ke-ni, kids!

I don't know if the Wiki has an official policy about it either way, though. Hmm...

If it were up to me, we'd spell all the native Japanese "long vowels" correctly, e.g. oo, ou, uu, and leave usage of the macronized ones for slang, dialectal, and adapted-from-non-Japanese words when these were expressed by the long mark (ー), which I think the macron emulates/transliterates nicely. Adam Restling (talk) 09:59, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Heilig Pfeil
On Yhwach someone copied the wrong katakana for the reading of Heilig Pfeil's Japanese name. It should be ハイリッヒ・プファイル Hairihhi Pufairu but someone wrote ハイリッヒ・ブファイル Hairihhi Bufairu and apparently this is contentious despite the fact that the Japanese pronunciation of other instances of the German word "Pfeil" is Pufairu.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 11:03, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Schatten Bereich
Remember the Schatten Bereich which Haschwalth referred to in chapter 514? Well, I found the raw for the page he mtnions it on here, and in addition to it quite clearly being a German phrase, I'm willing to bet there are underlying kanji accompanying it. On top of this, it's mentioned on the Wandenreich page, but we've got no kana or kanji next to it, and the translation given was not, to my knowledge, confirmed by Adam, Zhenyoq, or any of our translators - it was a translation provided by Mangapanda, which, of course, can be...inaccurate. So, Adam, it'd be great if you could take a look at the page (due to my paltry knowledge of Japanese, I don't know where exactly the term is in the top right speech bubble) and provide German and Japanese translations for Schatten Bereich. Thanks in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 23:08, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, sorry; I didn't know we didn't have this Daten ) yet. Thanks for pointing it out.

The correct form is apparently Schatten Bereich (影の領域 （シャッテン・ベライヒ） Shatten Beraihi), German and Japanese for "shadow realm"; specifically, Japanese 領域 "realm, domain" combines 領 "jurisdiction, territory domain, reign" and 域 "range, region, bounds". Adam Restling (talk) 10:51, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Bleach: Soul Resurrección Techniques
As I was playing through Bleach: Soul Resurrección, I noticed that some of the characters have techniques unique to the game. While I have the American version and thus don't have any kana/kanji for them, I'm doubting they just sound cool, so if anyone could translate the following techniques from Japanese/Spanish to English, I'd greatly appreciate it.

(Note: the game doesn't use ō or ū and doesn't separate some words, namely having Getsuga Tenshō as Getsugatensho, so some techniques might seem off. I'll add ō or ū if there are any ou's or uu's ot anything I know would have either, but apologies in advance.)

Update: I've added screenshots of Ichigo (Bankai) and Hollowfied Ichigo's technique names in the Japanese version. Note that any kana underneath the kanji isn't underlying kana, just directions for using the technique in-game.

Ichigo (Bankai):

Chiretsu Hogeki

Tenburenjin

Ichigo (Final): Kuretsusen Kokuryugatotsu

Ichigo (Skull-Clad): Onryuha Meisen Hogeki Rengoku Getsuga Tenshō

Yoruichi: Musōrenbu Shunkō Raigeki

Byakuya: Ōkajin

Shunsui: Kagehōshi

Kokutō: Yūgokujin Enra Gometsu Rengoku Renge Ban-yu Goka

Hollowfied Ichigo:

Issen Getsuga

Mushin

Hoko

Cero Gigante

Starrk: Camarada

Baraggan: Fuego

Harribel: Cortando Requiem

Ulquiorra: Tromba Vuello Oscuras (Bleach: The 3rd Phantom, cheating, I know) Expiacion

Gin: Shunsogeki

Many thanks in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 03:24, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Argh, those games! XD They're even worse about letting us find out Kanji (usu.) than even the filler arcs of the show are!

Still, sounds interesting, and thanks for providing Kanji screencaps where you can. I'll see how many I can do. I'll divide my post into 2 chief sections (so please note well): "TRANSLATIONS" (fairly certain ones based on the screencaps, whether with Kanji/kana or not) and "GUESSES" (my estimation of what some of the Kanji-less names *might* mean, but which are by nature unconfirmed). "So why even do the latter if they're unconfirmed?", you ask? For fun, I guess XD--and because a lot of the time some of the non-canon terms seem a bit easier to guess at.

TRANSLATIONS

Ichigo (Bankai)
 * Chiretsu Hōgeki (地裂崩撃) "earth-rending felling strike"
 * Tenbu Renjin (天舞連迅) "swift series of heaven-dance"

Hollowfied Ichigo
 * Issen Getsuga (一閃月牙) "(lone) flash Getsuga"
 * Mushin (無心)--though usu. translated "innocent", I think the intended meaning is the more lit. one: "heartless"
 * Hōkō (咆哮) "roar"
 * Cero Gigante (特大虚閃) Spanish for "giant Cero", Japanese for "extra-large Hollow flash"

Starrk
 * Camarada--Spanish for "comrade, fellow"

Baraggan
 * Fuego--Spanish for "fire"

Harribel
 * Cortando--Spanish for "cutting, slicing"
 * Requiem--supposed to be its Spanish equivalent Réquiem?

Ulquiorra
 * Tromba--Spanish for "whirlwind, downpour"
 * Vuello Oscuras--prob. a mistake for Spanish Vuelo Oscuro "dark flight"
 * Expiación--Spanish for "atonement, expiation"

GUESSES
 * based on things like other techniques in the game, but UNCONFIRMED ; [ * ]s indicate the uncertainty.

Ichigo (Final)
 * *Kūretsusen (*空裂閃) *"sky-rending flash"
 * *Kokuryū Gatotsu (*黒竜/流?牙突) *"black dragon/style (?) piercing fang"

Ichigo (Skull-Clad)
 * *Onryūha (*陰竜/流?波) *"yin dragon/style (?) wave"
 * *Meisen Hōgeki (*冥閃/泉?崩撃) *"nether flash/spring felling strike"
 * Rengoku Getsuga Tenshō (*煉獄月牙天衝) *"purgatorial Getsuga Tenshō")

Note that in Asian Buddhist lore, the netherworld is often associated with one or a series of founts/springs/wells.

Byakuya
 * Ōkajin (*桜花刃) *"blade of sakura (flowers)"

Yoruichi
 * *Musō Renbu "???" (too many possibilities to even guess)
 * Shunkō Raigeki (*瞬閧雷撃) *"Shunkō thunder strike"

Shunsui
 * Kagehōshi *(影法師) *"shadow monk"

Kokutō
 * Yūgokujin (*幽獄刃) *"spectral prison blade"
 * *Enra Gōmetsu (*閻羅豪滅) *"mighty ruin of Yanluo"
 * Rengoku Renge (*煉獄蓮華) *"purgatorial lotus (flower)"
 * *Banyū Gōka "???" (too many possibilities: with different Kanji, gōka could mean "longeval flame" [that destroys creation at the end of time]--tying in with one poss. form of banyū "all creation"; "karmic flame"; "hell fire"; or "mighty flame"--all of which, given the character and the Buddhist accoutrements of Hell, could be valid)

Japanese "Enra" or Mandarin "Yanluo" as names of netherworld king Yama are actually just abbreviations of his fuller title, "Yama Raja" ("King Yama")--or En(ma)ra/Yan(mo)luo + the native word for "king".

Gin
 * *Shunsōgeki (*舜鎗撃) *"spear-flash strike"

Note that I use "flash" to translate two different words with slightly different intended meanings: with shin (閃), the meaning is "a quick burst of light etc"; with shun (舜), the meaning is "a quick, instantaneous movement".

Man, this was a long one; hope it helped--and I didn't make any major goof-ups. Adam Restling (talk) 12:32, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Gisei Hadō
So, as brought on by a recent editing conflict, it seems like there may be a separate classification of Kidō that may have been overlooked. The raw page, found here, points to Ittō Kasō as being one of these "犠牲破道" (Gisei Hadō) (better yet, "九十六番犠牲破道", which looks to me like "96th Gisei Hadō"). Could this be considered a separate sub-class of Kidō, or is it just a simple description?

I guess if "Kaidou" can, why not "Gisei"? Still, it's hard to know for sure exactly. There might be something in UNMASKED or one of the other databook's Kidou sections, but it may take me a while to find it (if indeed it be there). I *want* to say the context leans toward it being a sub-class rather than just a description, esp. since they even number it; and you're right: it seems to be "Gisei (sacrifice) Hadou #96". Adam Restling (talk) 11:17, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Silbern, Seiren, and Fünft Feld
So 559 has been out for some time now, and we finally - FINALLY - have a name for the really big building on the dark side of the moon Wandenreich HQ - Silbern. Now, Schif has found a raw for the chapter, and I'm willing to bet there's a German meaning and underlying kanji for the term, so I've posted the raw page that Haschwalth mentions it on. If you could take a look, Adam, that'd be great. For reference, Haschwalth mentions Silbern on the fourth panel.--Xilinoc (talk) 04:39, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Actually...

Looking through chapter 530, I've noticed that there are two interesting terms mentioned by Ryūken's mom. The first was something called Seiren, translated by Cnet as "Holy Training/Trials" (yup, more holy stuff), which Masaki was undertaking at the time - probably a form of training for Quincy. It also appears to have underlying kanji. This is the raw for the page that it's on, with the term being mentioned in the lower left-hand panel. The second is the name of the field that Sōken was training at during the flashback: Fünft Feld. Now, while I can make an educated guess that "Feld" means "Field", I've no idea what "Fünft" might mean, Cnet didn't provide a translation, and, once again, there appears to be some good ol' underlying kanji on it. This is the raw of the page that it appears on, with the term being mentioned in the lower-left hand corner (noticing a trend here?) with, interestingly, a 5 smack-dab in the middle of it. Like and alongside the above, I'd appreciate it greatly if you could translate these, Adam.--Xilinoc (talk) 05:15, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again for providing the links and making things way easier.

Silbern is apparently 銀架城 (ズィルバーン) Zirubān: the German is the adjective "silver"; the underlying Kanji mean "silver-mount[ed] castle" or "silver-wrought castle".

"Seiren" (聖練), which occurs only in Japanese it seems, means "sacred/holy training". Since Ryuuken's mother cites it in quotation marks (and it has no German equivalent), I'm less sure if it's a real (i.e. technique) term, or just a descriptive term.

Fünft Feld (第５練場 （フェンフト・フェルト） Fenfuto Feruto): in German combines *fünft, apparently a mistake for fünfte (which I think should actually, grammatically, be neuter fünftes, to go along with Feld) "fifth", and Feld "field"--thus "fifth field"; in Japanese, the underlying Kanji mean "fifth training field" (場, usu. just "place", can also mean "field"). Adam Restling (talk)

"no Jōmon" barriers
So, from the raws I've been using, which have all the kana we'll ever need from the first forty six volumes, I noticed some slight romanization errors in the group of barriers Hachigen used against Barragan. The errors I noticed are as follows:
 * Ryubi no Jōmon - should be Ryūbi no Jōmon
 * Koko no Jōmon - should be Kokō no Jōmon
 * Kikai no Jōmon - should be Kigai no Jōmon
 * Hoyoku no Jōmon - should be Hōyoku no Jōmon
 * Shiji no Saimon - should be Shijū no Saimon
 * Figured I'd drop them off here before I start any mass page moving.