Forum:Top 10 Strongest Characters

I think the list would be something like this.

1. Sosuke Aizen

2. Genryusai Shigekuni Yamamoto

3. Isshin Kurosaki

4. Ryuken Ishida

5. Gin Ichimaru

6. Kisuke Urahara

7. Yoruichi Shihoin

8. Byakuya Kuchiki

9. Shunsui Kyoraku

10. Kenpachi Zaraki

Zero62422002 02:24, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

I don't agree on Byakuya and Zaraki being in the top 10.. But i still respect your opinion.. Toshi04 02:39, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think the list should go more like this:

1.Sosuke Aizen

2.Genryuusai Yamamoto Shigekuni

3.Isshin Kurosaki

4.Kisuke Urahara

5.Yoruichi Shihoin

6. Ryuken Ishida

7.Gin Ichimaru

8.Shinji Hirako

9.Retsu Unohana

10.Shunsui Kyouraku

Under normal circumstances, I would've believed that Shinji wasn't even in the top ten, but I don't think either Kyouraku or Unohana can escape Shinji's Shikai, not to mention his unseen Bankai.Pwndulquiorra 03:28, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

True, I don't think Kyouraku or Unohana can esape Shinji's Shikai either, but that depends on which side made the move first. In addition, Kenpachi would always uses his vast spiritual power to solve his problem, so I wonder if his spiritual power would work on Shinji's Shikai.Zero62422002 17:12, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

You guys forgot Ukitake. Remember, he's one of the oldest and most powerful Shinigami, too. It's just that we haven't seen his full potential yet. Shinji deserves to be there, too. To be able to take on Aizen with just Shikai and actually wound him, plus Hollowification, he makes a formidable opponent. He's cunning too (as even Aizen gets a little spooked sometimes).

As for Ryuken, the same thing goes. He's undoubtedly more powerful than Uryu and he's got the experience to boot.

I also disagree with Kenpachi being on the list. I know he can be a real handful but he doesn't have the battle smarts to win against someone like Gin, to say the least. BlazeUchiha (Talk)  17:21, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ukitake would not be on the list as he is very sick. He is a great warrior but his illness prevents him from really doing much. My list would go something like

1.Sosuke Aizen

2.Genryuusai Yamamoto Shigekuni

3.Isshin Kurosaki

4.Kisuke Urahara

5.Shinji Hirako

6.Yoruichi Shihoin

7.Ulquiorra Cifer

8.Shunsui Kyouraku

9.Retsu Unohana

10.Gin Ichimaru

I took Ryuken off as we have no idea how powerful he is and I just dont think a quincy would be as strong as a shinigami. I also added Ulquiorra to the list as I feel he is much stronger than what people credit him as. He was defeated by an insane super powered H.Ichigo so give the guy some credit. I moved Gin down as I dont think he is all that strong. He has a good shikai and bankai ability but its not as powerful as the others. I greatly moved Shinji up the list as not only was he a former captain but now as a vizard he has only gotten stronger and his shikai could easily dispose of anyone other than Aizen--God (Pray)  17:33, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

I wanted to point something out that apparently has slipped by most fans that dont look objectively at these types of lists.

You place Aizen at 1 which isn't an objective pick as though he is powerful you assume he is on the top even though you know he will be beaten and then where will he be on the list. You then place isshin on the list noting how powerful he is seemingly but not how powerful he is in reference to anyone else besides Aizen which while holding his own he didn't beat more than anyone else. You have Urahara and Yoruichi on the list yet we know Urahara's power is great but the same can't be said for the capabilities of Yoruichi as all her showcases have involved soley hand -to-hand combat with bits of shunko in it. You place Shunsui on the list but at the bottom which doesn't make sense as on multiple occasions he is actually stated to be one of the most powerful captains. The same is said of Ukitake and you dont even put him on the list and the only reasoning is sickness which hasn't been seen since the SS arc, so lame excuse. Unohana hasn't even fought in the series once. Shinji and the vizard can't accurately be placed as we have yet to gauge their full capabilities properly in the current one-sided setting. The most out of place misrepresentation of powerful is Ulquiorra. The only evidence of him being powerful is in relation to the only opponent he has fought which is Ichigo. He then is summarily defeated by Ichigo who isn't the most powerful character but the most inconsistent character in the series. The only saving grace to power Ulquiorra has is his second resereccion which offered nothing in the long run and is not a testament to him being any more powerful as he is no less dead and he was still only facing Ichigo albeit in a different form.

If you wanted to be objective

1.) Sosuke Aizen (Hogyoku Implantation/Transformation)

2.) Genryusai Shigekuni Yamamoto

3.) Kisuke Urahara / Isshin Kurosaki / Shunsui Kyoraku / Jushiro Ukitake / Yoruichi Shihoun

4.) Gin Ichimaru / Toshiro Hitsugaya / Byakuya Kuchiki

Thats about as far as Ill go anything else would be hard to gauge accurately. Salubri (Talk)  18:06, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Its very hard to be objective with these as everyone sees the power of the characters differently. Yes, there is evidence to say one character is stronger than another but not enough and there are many contradicting things said such as everyone saying Hitsugaya is a genius and a prodigy and then everyone says that his power is immature so its very hard to gauge his power. Aizen has time and time again proven to be the strongest. Even before his transformation, the only one who could stand up to him was Yama but while Aizen lacked in pure strength in that matchup, he made up for it in intellect and preparation with Wonderweiss making me say he is the strongest. Isshin was then able to go toe to toe with Aizen for a while until the Aizenfly started. As for Yorouichi and Urahara, they seem to be relatively equal as they have spent their lives training together. I put Shinji pretty high on my list as his shikai is a very very handy ability. No one except has Aizen would be able to figure that out and that to me means he is stronger than most. There is also the fact that he has a hollow mask which judging by what Ichigo has shown, increases power greatly. Ulquiorra was a bit of a stretch I know but this one came off of feeling more so than facts I admit. The segunda etapa seemed to bolster his strength immensely. Unohana and Shunsui have been said to be two of the strongest in S.S and as such I put them as the second and third strongest in S.S, Gin I will replace with Jushiro as now that I think about it, you are right, his sickness has not been mentioned in quite some time--God (Pray)  18:31, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

There is no reason for us to look down to Ryuken, he can aim accurately. Maybe one or two shots, even a Shinigami can gets shot in the Chain of Fate and loses all of his/her power.Zero62422002 21:09, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

As much i as i hate to say this cause he is one of my favorite character in bleach (the other one being shunsui) but i have to agree that ukitake is not on the top ten because of his illness.. i just hope KT proves me wrong when he makes the bankai..Toshi04 12:44, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Why isn't Barragan on the list? The definition of strongest is at issue here. Even though he was outsmarted in battle, he could only be defeated by his own power. Aizen was seemingly able to subjugate him prior to the hogyoku transformation, but I don't see how KT could have displayed that except for Aizen overpowering him with his reiatsu. Other than the manuever Haachi used to defeat him, who else could overcome that kind of technique?

I'm surprised you guys aren't putting Unohana high on the list. After all, the vast majority of those on your current top 10 lists have all utterly punked out at the slightest confrontation with her; Aizen, Ichigo, Kyoraku, Ukitake, and the entire 11th division to name a few. Johnwayne 14:58, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be easier for people to make the list if it is the top 15 strongest, and without ranking them.. just a suggestion.. Toshi04 10:39, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

I think that if u put Ulqiuorra on the list u need to put Stark Barragan and Yammy on since Ulq (short) said that there are three espada stronger than him and those are the three logical the only person Ulq has fought is Ichigo who is weaker than some of the captains. Furthermore Unohan has been stated to be one of the strongest Captains. I dnt think Shinjis shikai is that impressive bc as Aizen said its like a childs game. People like Byakuya and Tosen who have zanpakto that could neautralize this ability would beat him. Byakuya could put himself in a ball of blades (much like Garra) whereas tosen is blind this ability wouldnt work on him at all since the ability is 100% visual. Also expirenced fighters like Stark Shunsui etc could find ways around it and Kenpachi could just pull wat he did against Tosen etc Shinjis ability isnnt that great. Finally Byakuya shouldnt be that high either he hasnt really shown that hes that strong he only fought the 7 espada although he beat him easily his only major battle was with Ichigo and he was beaten which means that Ichigo should be higher by default. The only thing i could be sure of is Aizen and Yammamoto being the top dogsCoyotestark (talk) 00:51, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

I am confused as to the definition of "Strongest" here. I guess because my thoughts are strength is pure power which would imho add Ichigo and Kenpachi to the mix. but if it is morre refined to "battle prowess" then I agree they wouldn't fit. ShiiCho (talk) 02:37, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised by the lack of tousen on these lists...

Firstly, sign your posts with four tildes( ~ ), second, Tosen was quite weak. He may have had a ressurection but his abilities were very easy to beat--God (Pray)  04:00, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

i think its more like this. excuse any spelling errors

aizen

yamamoto

isshin

kiske urahara

coyote stark

shinsue

joshiro ukitake

barragan

ulquera segunda release

tia harrebel

and if i have to add number 11 it would be ichigo at the prime of his power so far in the series

Firstly, sign your posts with four tildes as such ~, second, How can you have Starrk above Shunsui when Shunsui killed Starrk with hi shikai alone?--God (Pray)  04:30, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

I respect everyone's opinion but I think it should be something like this:

1) Aizen

2) Yammamoto

3) Hollow Ichigo ( Second Form)

4) Isshin

5) Urahara

6) Shunsui

7) Ichigo (After Learning the Final Getsuga Tensho)

8) Shinji

9) Ulquiorra ( Second Resurreccion)

10) Starrk

Alright are people doing this just to annoy me, sign your posts with four tildes as such ~. Do this and you will make me happy. Also, you cannot put Ichigo upon learning the Final GT as he has not even learbed it yet and we have no idea how strong it is or how strong it will make him--God (Pray)  04:54, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

lmao @ God.. People keep ingoring you.. :P In my opinion on the strongest, i wouldn't count ichigo here because he is the main character.. of course he'l get stronger and stronger and probably surpass even yama (if KT would approve of it).. When KT made minor characters, Im guessing he made it so that their powers stay that way throughout the series.. just my opinion.. i hate when people go crazy over little things.. especially off the internet where no one wins.. Toshi04 (talk) 08:44, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

I think that if you're just judging by raw strength, Yamamoto should be first, as Aizen himself admitted that in a straight fight, Yamamoto would severely overwhelm him.120324 (talk) 15:20, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand anyone who would want to discount Zaraki from the strongest. For one thing spiritual pressure is a main measure of strength and his is monsterous, and we've only ever seen him use full power after being severely injured. What exactly could Shinji do to him? he has already fought an opponent who not just reversed but completely cut off his senses, Shinji would literally have to kill him straight up with a single blow or else Zaraki could catch him and finish him. We have watched him take on Komamura's Bankai head on and not be beaten. In fact if you count the anime filler he beat it!! look at how he diced Yammy the supposed strongest of all espada, and don't forget that if Nnorita is to be believed he had almost invunerable Hierro that Zaraki still cut through. all these feats using nothing but his own brute strength. Yes i am a massive Zaraki Fan and i feel that if we are talking "strength" then he would be second behind only Yamamoto. Wolfwood (Shoot)  16:12, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't so sure whether or not I should post here, but heck, I couldn't resist. Here's the way I see things:

1. Aizen (post Hogyoku) - able to take on multiple captain-level Shinigami even before transforming

2. Yamamoto - could have killed (normal?) Aizen one-on-one by his own admission

3. Isshin - was able to push Shinigami Aizen to his limits

4. Kisuke - technically ties with Isshin; Aizen admitted that Kisuke would have killed him if he were a normal Shinigami

5. Shunsui - soundly defeated the Primera Espada, who was able to beat 2 captain-level Vizard

6. Baraggan - easily has one of the strongest abilities; can only be beaten by his own power (or Absolute Hypnosis, obviously)

7. Yoruichi - was considerably less impressive than Isshin and Kisuke, but was still able to damage post-fusion Aizen

8. Yammy - by his own claim the strongest Espada, and was able to shrug off damage being dealt by two captains

9. Kenpachi (eye patch off) - immense amount of spiritual energy and master swordsmanship

10. Ichigo - potentially has the greatest amount of power in the series, but lacks the know-how and experience to use it

I didn't include Shinji, because he was among several captains pwnd simultaneously by Aizen, and in their one-on-one fight, his ability was easily countered. Unohana was considered, since the databook pretty much states that she was the third overall strongest captain, but obviously I could not. Yammy was more of a controversial choice, but seeing as he felt Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra's reiatsu and now has the gall to claim that he is even stronger - to say he is lying would be speculation, so I have to take that as truth. Mohrpheus (talk) 16:41, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, I'm surprised by the lack of Gin Ichimaru in the more recent lists (especially after chapter 414). While a "sneak-attack" might not necessarily guarantee his power, if he is a canidate (provided Aizen dies) for the new antagonist, surely he should be somewhere on these lists. Besides, even without that he was fairly powerful...(I was tempted to not sign this to spite God, but I don't want to get smited =D) TVthePunisher (talk) 17:22, July 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) 1 Souske Aizen- A beyond powerful Captain in his own right, Aizen was further enhanced himself by implanting the Hogyoku into his body. At first it simply instictively healed any and all injuries he received. It eventually however turned him into a Shinigami-Hollow hybred beyond even a Vizard or Arrancar.


 * 1) 2 Isshin Kurosaki/Gin Ichimaru- Isshin may have been a Captain prior to a self-imposed exile in the Human World. He was able to bring Souske Aizen to the point of exhaustion despite the implanted Hogyoku without breaking a sweat or even releasing his Shikai. Gin Ichimaru was a very powerful Captain and the only person Aizen saw as a true subordinate. His genius intellect has allowed him to fold lies into other lies, most recently deceiving Aizen about what his powers actually entailed and appearing to strick a fatal blow into the self-proclaimed God.


 * 1) 3 Kisuke Urahara/Yoruichi Shihōin- Urahara is a genius and creator of the Hogyoku. A former Captain, he has been claimed (by Aizen) to have the power and ability to kill him prior to Aizen's transformation in his unique Shinigami-Hollow form. Yoruichi is another former Captain of the Gotei 13 and an expert in hand-to-hand combat, able to damage Aizen during his transformation. She is also known as the "Goddess of Flash".


 * 1) 4 Yamamoto- The Captain-Commander of the Gotei 13. He has stated that he has remained the CC for the past 1000 years b/c no Shinigami since he took the seat has been stronger then him. While he is by far the last person to lie about something like that, he performed a sacrificial #96 Hado which, while Aizen admitted could have killed him, left him seemingly unhurt. Yamamoto should likely be higher on the list (taking spot #2 and moving those above one slot down), however he didn't perform as admirable as was expected of him, though his Zanpakuto had been sealed by Wonderweiss.


 * 1) 5 Shunsui Kyoraku- One of the oldest and most powerful Captain's in all of the Gotei 13, Shunsui was able to defeated the #1 Espada. This fight is somewhat controversial however as it was interrupted in the beginning Ukitake so that Shunsui didn't have to unseal his Bankai, and was interrupted again half way through by two former Captain turned Vizard's. In both cases however Coyote Stark (#1 Espada) was able to defeat his opponents with ease before once againf acing off with Shunsui for the final time.


 * 1) 6 Ulquiorra Cifer- The #4 Espada, he served as the primary go-to-guy for any assignment Aizen may have had. While only placing #4 in the Espada ranks, he revealed during his final fight with Ichigo that he had achieved another evolution of the Arrancar called the Segunda Etapa which Aizen nor anyone else knew about. After transforming again, it was commented on that his reiatsu didn't just become more immense as with all the other Espada, it had actually changed on a fundamental level. Outside of Hollow-Ichigo or Yamamoto, Cifer's new form also showed it's worth through the most powerful attack outside of Kido to-date (Lanza del Relamago; Lanza's explosion dwarfed the massive Las Noches citadel.)


 * 1) 7 Coyote Stark- The Primera Espada, he proved his title be facing off against Shunsui and Ukitake at the same time. He then went on to take on a defeat to former captain vizard's without breaking a sweat. He was eventually defeated however by Shunsui in one-on-one combat.


 * 1) 8 Baraggan Luisenbarn- The Segunda Espada, Baraggan is indeed powerful, however his ability is what is most terrifying about him. The ability to age anything and everything into dust in a matter of moments. Nothing is safe from his power, including himself, which ends up being his downfall.


 * 1) 9 Kenpachi Zaraki- Captain of the 11th Squad, Kenpachi has a terrifying amount of reiatsu allowing him to easily overpower any opponent who presents him/herself as a threat. While normally slashing manically around without much care, he has been shown to use a more calm and reserved fighting style which makes him even deadlier. He also has yet to even communicate with his Zanpakuto, though it is hinted at that he has begun following his fight with Ichigo and know his Zanpakuto is at least a "he".

With all due respect, I don't think Gin deserves to be above Yamamoto. Gin only managed to severely damage Aizen because Aizen had no idea of his power. On the scale of strength, which is what this forum addresses, I believe that Yamamoto should be second only to Aizen (Hybrid form). 120324 (talk) 03:10, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) 10 Ichigo Kurosaki- The main protagonist of the series, he has continually grown in power since he debut as a Shinigami. Most recently however he has begun to fall below the power curve due to his unwillingness to fight or him no longer having to fight to protect his friends. While he has reached the level of a Captain, he true power is the unpredictableness of his power. Most recently after being killer by Cifer, his 'Hollow-Soul' took over his body and resurrected him, proving even more powerful then the Segunda Etapa enhanced Espada and easily having his way with him before a lucky blow forced Ichigo back to his senses. The damage was done however and Cifer died moments later.

Bishonen Pimp, sign your posts with four tildes as such ~ --<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  03:15, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I really dislike how Ukitake is being excluded from most of these lists yet he is considered on of the strongest Captains in the universe!! Let's remember he was taken out by Wonderweiss, the dude that sacrificed everything, even the ability to think, to increase his power and even then he took advantage of everyone being stunned, not just Ukitake or else everyone would have moved sooner, not just him!! Starrk did not defeat him, it was a cheap shot after distracting everyone with the big guy!! All this fanboy-ism does my head in, aren't most of you looking at the facts stated in the series?? Ukitake is considered one of the strongest in SS, ever yet he's not there in most lists SunXia (talk) 04:43, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

We have not gotten to see Ukitake fight much and so we have to rely on his battle stats which are underwhelming --<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  04:49, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I admit the stats but it was stated in the manga he was one of the best fighters, i mean he may be amazing in building on his strengths and weaknesses to win a fight, hes obviously strong in that sense, Yamamoto recognised that!! Obviously he had confidence, he was taking on Starrk there has to be a reason for all this, SunXia (talk) 04:53, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I totally agree with you SunXia.. Everyone's always saying that because of his illness he is not one of the strongest.. Also, i disklike all this talk about kenpachi being in the top10.. pure stregth is not everything.. no offense to those DHfans..Toshi04 (talk) 10:00, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't really call it "taking on" Starrk. He surprised him once with his ability without inflicting any damage, and Starrk figured out its secret after just seeing it twice. He then points out his weakness and mentions that he could overcome it with "a thousand Ceros". Ukitake is strong, but we have to go from what we have seen. His abilities just aren't as impressive or versatile as Shunsui's, and whether we like it or not, his sickness is a hard-written weakness, not an "excuse". Heck, in the databooks, he was given a strength level of 40 out of 100, reflecting the impact his sickness has on him. We've also seen that he often gets struck by his illness in times of great stress, even when not in battle. He can't even handle a lot of his own captain work - Kaien and then his two 3rd seats did most of the work. He's no doubt powerful, but I don't think his performance is high enough to class him among the top ten. Mohrpheus (talk) 06:45, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

1. Sosuke Aizen with the Hougyokou

2. Genryusai Yamamoto

3. Gin Ichimaru

4. Kaname Tosen

5. Ulquiorra Cifer.

6. Kisuke Urahara or Isshin Kurosaki

7. Yammy Rilago (?)

8. Retsu Unohana (?)

9. Ichigo Kurosaki

10. Kenpachi Zaraki

That'd be my guess, anyway. Don't mind if I butchered any spellings. Oh, Coyotestark: Shinji's ability may also take control of the internal senses of balance & directional orientation, so Tosen might not be immune to it.Neo Bahamut (talk) 05:37, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

here's my list but without the ranks.. btw, i don't read the manga so i don't really know what is happening and what new powers they've showed so far.. keep in my, no ranking.. Aizen, Yamamoto, Shunsui, Unohana, Gin, Starrk, Barragan, Isshin, Yoruichi, Kisuke, Shinji, Ryuken, (i really wanted to add ukitake but he's so very sick.. i wish KT would find a way :D) anyways, that's about it..

Why would u put Tosen higher than all the espada and Isshin and Kisuke, Yoruichi Kenpachi, Ichigo etc... He got killed by one captain and one assistance captain thats pretty embarrasing. He wasnt that strong remember when Tosen attacked Grimjow? Grimjow was ready to get into a fight with him even when he had one arm Aizen stopped him. Grimjow wouldve known to not get into a fight with someone who is alot stronger than him (he didnt no about Ulq's second release so they were closer in his mind) Grimjow wouldve never attacked Aizen, Gin or anyone he knew was alot stronger, he didnt even fight Luppi till he got his arm back. Since he was the sixth espada it makes sense that every espada that was above him was stronger. I think the list is more like this feel free to argue or prove me wrong.

1. Aizen (he is pretty much unbeatable)

2. Yammamoto (in terms of raw strength hes the top dog and hes pretty smart hes no Aizen or Gin but hes not an idiot)

3. Isshin/Kisuke (they both fought Aizen and did pretty well in terms of survival none of the captains or vizards did well)

4. Yoruchi (helped against Aizen and wasnt obliterated thats a good reason)

5. Gin (he almost killed Aizen thats a huge achievement)

6. Yammy (he said hes the strongest espada and he took a hollowfied getsuga tensho to the neck and shrugged it off)

7/8. Stark (Stark beat two captain level vizards and didnt seem too weakened hes also very smart and aware in a battle)

7/8. Shunsui? (he beat Stark but Stark had used alot of reitsu against the vizards Shunsui said that he needed his bankai if they went one on one so maybe he wouldve lost)

8. Hollowfied Ichigo (he was a monster he beat Ulqs second form barely trying, I havent seen him face any super guys yet so..)

9. Barragan (man his power was awesome and hes really durable he took that cannon shot like a champ)

10. Ulqiurora/Unohana (Ulq was really strong in his second form and going off stats Unohana is a tank we just havent seen her fight)

I dont have any vizards here because they dont seem too impressive i mean Hachi was teh only one who beat an esapada and Wonderweiss is a no bc hes a retard plus when Stark said the impatient line he was referring to wonderweiss release being made to fight Yammamoto not his strenght soley again feel free to disagree and prove me wrong.Coyotestark (talk) 02:52, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

I have Tosen above the Espada because there are 1 or 2 times where the traitor Captains are said to be above the Espada. Granted, it may not be true, but Tosen didn't exactly go down like a bitch, either. He took a direct hit from Komamura's Bankai & all he had to show for it was a mangled arm, which regenerated a few seconds later. Plus, it was apparently some "first time anyone's ever survived that" shit. Presumably, that wasn't even his strongest form. Speaking of his Resurrecion, as Hisagi said, Tosen would have easily dodged that were he not too busy obsessing over all of his new sensory information. As for Kisuke & Isshin, it's hard to say how they would fare against Ulquiorra, who's my primary point of reference, seeing as they never fought him.

It is more-or-less true that we didn't see the Visoreds do much, but Wonderweiss WAS surprisingly durable for having "given up all of his abilities for the power of Extinguir." Barragon was strongly implied to have weakened that explosion with his power, but that doesn't make him any less strong overall. I've been neglecting Hollowfied Ichigo because I don't really consider him a character. Ichigo himself I'm pretty sure is above or at least close to Yammy because, yeah, that didn't kill him, but a big gaping wound on your neck is serious shit to anyone who can't regenerate by transforming. Anyway, that's my $0.02.Neo Bahamut (talk) 12:53, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Toshi04 (talk) 11:37, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

i dont think stark is weaker than shunsui because he did beat him but you forget he lost his guns and his wolf pack fighting love and rose plus he took a few hits fighting them too

as for yammy even grimjow took a direct hollofied getsuga tensho in his released state and wasnt hurt at best hes stronger than nniotra and in hes enraged form pollisble ulquiorra

an i think ulquiorras second release makes him stronger than harrebel at best and gin was only able to hold his own againt ichigo who was demoralised because of aizen and we know how weak he gets when hes like that espelialy since who cound hollofi properly eather plus the fight didnt end

1. Aizen

2. Yamamoto

3. Isshin

4. Urahara

5. Ryuken

6. Yoruichi

7. Shunsui

8. Ukitake

9. Unohana

10. Shinji

Oh yeah, about Grimmjow: Grimmjow is, frankly, a dumbass. He insisted that Ulquiorra was afraid of him, yet he felt the need to trap Ulquiorra in another dimension, rather than put him in his place? Yeah, Grim, I'm thinking all that talk about being stronger than Ulquiorra is just hot air. He did take a direct Getsuga Tensho, but he was burned by it. Additionally, in the manga, he had some pretty gruesome injuries. However, when Ulquiorra took one, it didn't do shit to him. Ulquiorra then blew away 75% of Ichigo's Reitsu WITHOUT going into his 2nd form with the Cero Oscuras. Frankly, I think it says something that Ulquiorra is the only foe so far that Ichigo couldn't even really hurt on his own. And he wasn't "demoralized" or "unable to Hollowify" properly either. As for Yammy, it may just be that he has a lot of strength but relatively little defense.Neo Bahamut (talk) 16:35, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

zangetsu said ichigo couldnt hollofi properly in a recent chapter and ichigo saied that his mask felt heavier plus it last like 10 seconds now or less

Yeah. All of that happened AFTER Ulquiorra kicked it.Neo Bahamut (talk) 21:22, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

the list that i agree the most is the current one. just a comment :) Toshi04 (talk) 16:14, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Realistically i think the list would look something like this:
 * 1) Aizen Sosuke
 * 2) Yamamoto Genryuusai
 * 3) Hollow Ichigo (the form he used to fight Ulquiorra)
 * 4) Kurosaki Isshin
 * 5) Kisuke Urahara
 * 6) Gin Ichimaru
 * 7) Ulquiorra
 * 8) Stark
 * 9) Barragen
 * 10) Yammy

Nowhere on the list do I see Shunsui, who beat Starrk. How can that be? 120324 (talk) 10:37, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Aizen himself has said Yamamoto is stronger than him. Laguna (talk) 23:13, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Who has the highest amount of raw spiritual power?
1. Yamamoto

2. Aizen

3. Shunsui/Zaraki/Byakua

Anything to add?

BlueMagic (talk) 11:11, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

I would put Zaraki joint second. Reasons:


 * 1) Aizen states that he has around twice the power of a Captain level Shinigami


 * 1) When Ichigo went through the garganta with Unohana she noted that Ichigo also has roughly twice the power of a Captain, effectively saying the two were equal.

Nick I will make this simple for you: Aizen currently has the most raw spiritual power (in his Angel form), but even if he was Arrancar leader Aizen; he would be above Kenpachi considering Aizen was able to bring Grimmjow to 1 knee through spirit force alone, while Kenpachi had hell with Nnoitra's hierro for a good while.Captain Brooks (talk) 13:58, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) When Ichigo fought Zaraki and they both unleashed their full power they forced a draw.i know that Ichigo wasn't in Bankai but remember that Ichigo's Bankai works differently, compressing his energy rather than expanding it. <font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">Wolfwood <font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">(Shoot)  13:54, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

I'll accept that now Aizen is crazy through the roof. but remember Nnorita's whole deal was having heirro so strong that no body should have been able to cut. and he sliced and diced the hell out of released Yammy!! :D <font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">Wolfwood <font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">(Shoot)  14:07, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

You actually believe Nnoitra? This is the guy who says he's stronger than Halibel & Nel Tu because they're women.Neo Bahamut (talk) 16:00, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Nick is obviously talking about Zaraki's spirtual power. He was able to cut Nnoitra--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  16:02, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

"Nnoitra's whole deal was having hierro so strong that nobody should have been able to cut it." It was like 1/3 of that statement. How did you miss it?Neo Bahamut (talk) 16:16, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, he is making the case for why Zaraki should be up there. He had hierro so strong that no one should have been able to cut him but Zaraki did. Nick really likes Zaraki--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  16:24, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I know what he's saying. I'd say Zaraki should be somewhere in the top 10 too. He's pretty likeable. But, on the other hand, characters like Nnoitra, Grimmjow, & Zammori are pretty fond of overexaggerating their own capabilities.Neo Bahamut (talk) 16:50, August 10, 2010 (UTC)