Talk:Espada

Italian, O.o ?
I was sure that Noveno/Octava..... were Espagnol numbers, and when I looked on some web-translator, it says the same thing...


 * Then it's a bad translator. The Spanish numbers are: cero, uno, dos, tres, cuatro, cinco, seis, siete, ocho, nueve, diez (0-10). I don't take Italian, but Octava, Noveno, etc. sound about right.LapisScarab 23:17, 3 November 2008 (UTC)LapisScarab

Yes, spanish number, sorry for bad saying, was talking about "1st", "9th"....(note: The translator is Wordreference), and when I try "8", it gives me "Ocho", but 8th give me Octovo/a, same for 9... Mili-Cien
 * Hmm, that might be right. We haven't learned much on "first", "second", "third", etc. I know that "first" in Spanish is "primero," but I don't really know 6th-9th. LapisScarab 03:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Until prove that is wrong, I remove this part from Trivia, just letting the "Dies" Mili-Cien


 * I checked, you were right. All the titles are Spanish for the ordinals of the Espada's ranks. Primero=1st, Segundo=2nd, Tercero=3rd, Cuarta=4th, Quinto=5th, Sexta=6th, Septima=7th, Octava=8th, Noveno=9th, Décimo=10th. I'll fix it up. LapisScarab 02:41, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Stark has claimed to be the Primera not Primero. It may just be a translation error, but all translations I've seen have Primera rather than Primero. Just thought to mention that :) Revan46 14:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

God all you people need to take a spanish class. the whole Primera/primero thing doesnt matter because they are all gramatically correct. the endiong simply tells if the noun is feminine/masculine. the ordianal number sytem works the same. 1-10 is a different word than 1st-10th. Diez= 10 decimo=10th


 * Its is just a translation error, And if the translations get mixed up, We could just simply tell what number they are by looking at the great big fecking tattoo and their bodies xD


 * To the ma that feels superiors than others, I'll just say that he needs to take gender lesson, stark introduced himself as Primera because sword(=espada) is a feminine word, and so, primero is wrong in this case, except if you consider that sword is a masculine word. Also about Yammy, you just said what we found out month ago.


 * Just for the record, I was only saying that Mili-Cien was right earlier and that the Espada titles were all Spanish, not Spanish and Italian. I wasn't saying what the titles were. Also, I put that well before Stark revealed his rank; Primera is correct. LapisScarab 05:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, this is absolutely out of the question, but I had to say it. It is so FUNNY to see how English speakers have trouble with the whole Arrancar thing because of the Spanish. I'm a native Spanish speaker, so I find it quite natural to know the meanings of the words and zanpakutohs, and the different endings for masculine and feminine words. But I've seen non-Spanish speakers struggling so badly with this kind of stuff. I'm sorry, it just makes me laugh a lot. But about the italian, I remember that Yylfordte introduced themselves in a more... italian-like way. Or at least that's what I remember... he said "Quindecimo" or something like that? Because the Spanish would be "Decimoquinto". But I don't remember which episode it was Lia Schiffer 02:05, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, for people who don't understand why it is "Primera" "Segunda" even for the male ones (you'd think it would be primero, segundo"), it's because the adjective is referring to the noun Espada, which is feminine. So..it's gramatically correct. It would be incorrect to call Stark "el primero espada" or barragan "segundo espada". The End 01:41, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yet, Ulquiorra introduced himself as Cuatro Espada (literally "Four Sword") rather than Cuarta. And I think Nnoitra introduced himself as Quinto instead of Quinta, but I'm not sure about that one. Lia Schiffer 07:24, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed, Nnoitra is the Quinto Espada. Both him and Aaroneiro take the masculine forms - Quinto/Noveno - while the rest take the feminine with suffix "a". - HuecoMuffin 13:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Yammy's Number
Okay, I've heard a lot of variation on Yammy's title, but has he ever actually said it? If not, we can't say that he is the "Diez Espada" (which is "ten", not "tenth") or anything else. Can anyone confirm his title? LapisScarab 03:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

In this Dailymotion Vostfr Video, we somehow hear, at ~0:50 :

"Taichô of the 10th Division, Hitsugaya Tôshiro !"

"How Fun ! I'm also a 10...Arrancar Dies(z?), Yammy !"(That we can also translate by "Arrancar number 10, Yammy !", but without this translation change, it doesn't fit with others's presentations)

Edit to Under : No problem ^^

Mili-Cien


 * Cool. I saw that episode before, but I must have missed that line. Thanks! LapisScarab 21:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, just re-watched it. I missed the "Dies Espada" part because the subs didn't have it (usually it actually says "Sexta Espada", etc. instead of "10th Espada"). LapisScarab 00:21, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I now have a sound file to confirm this one(I have a cut from Episode 138), but I can't upload this to the Wiki's data, and I can't make a preview about it. Help me please? --Kroduz 13:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Yammy's Status
Although the chapter has yet to be released, it has been confirmed that Yammy is still alive. It will be added once the chapter has been released. Revan46 14:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Where was that confirmed? LapisScarab 05:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

In the 2 last chapters ?
 * My fault, didn't understand correctly, well, we actually don't know.

Privaron Espada
The chart of "Former Espada" lists the Privaron Espada, who should be in a seperate chart. It should only have Luppi and Neliel, as neither of them became Privaron Espada.

Also, the same chart lists Dordonii, Cirucci, and Gantenbainne specifically as the former 3rd, 5th, and 7th Espada. While possible, that has not been even remotely confirmed and should not be there.


 * I somewhat fixed that, but I will admit it: we should make a table for the Privaron Espada section as well. But I don't know how to do it, so I'll leave it in someone else's hands. However, I ask that whoever does it to make sure you put their 3-digit Privaron Espada number, NOT what number you might think they had. Arrancar109 05:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I have a theory about the Privaron Espada's numbering system. It said in the Numéros section of the Arrancar article, "They are assigned a two digit number at birth from 11 to 99 to indicate their age." Since the Privaron Espada are given a three digit number, it would be logical to assume that the former first Espada would be assigned the number 100. If this is true, that would make the 103rd Privaron the former fourth, the 105th the former sixth, and the 107th the former eighth. Simp,y a theory, but what do you think? Maggosh 14:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats not a new theory, Many people have already heard that before and as its not been confirmed yet we cant say for definate what rank the privaron espada actually were. Kisuke Urahara 17:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Release
Who's Release did we see first? I forgot.

GohanRULEZ 19:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That would be either Luppi or Aaroniero. It really depends on how you look at it. Arrancar109 19:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Well Luppi died way to fast(like filler) and nobody liked him(hell,there was a party when he died) so I'll say Aaroniero.Thanks^^

GohanRULEZ 19:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Image
Since the caption of the espada image was changed to 290px, i think we should upload a higher size image coz the quality looks pretty bad Maul day 02:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

espada counterparts
why was counterparts removed ?

I am not so sure, but my guess is as good as any: this wiki is supposed to supply accurate information derived from the manga/anime/databooks and whatnot. That counterpart section was all based on fan speculation, and had no real relevance to the series because those similarities were never mentioned. Mohrpheus 20:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Ulquiorra dead?
Is it confirmed that he is dead? The ending is sort of open, although it does appear he died.

The End 06:18, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

He's dead alright. Lost his innards and turned to ash. No one lives after that XD Kaihedgie 06:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

That's an hollow, I don't think we can be sure he's dead untill it's clearly stated, Ulquiorra made his eye go to ash earlier, that might be just a sort of disaspear' ? For me, "Unknown | Disaspears in ashes" would be more accurate.

Im more for he's dead, disappearing into ash or whatever have you, its pretty much the same for any hollow, if you recall seeing them being defeated. But i can see it as more as being cleansed, as thats what shinigami do to hollows and at their core an arrancar is still a hollow. So yea he's gone it doesn't seem to healthy in my opinion to assume he'll be back always hoping he'll show up again. its not like grimmjow's situation where there is a possibility of his surviving his injuries. I mean he even states that his brain and internal organs cant be regenerated. as we see alot of him is blasted away and then he starts regenerating but thats just the parts he can regenerate, he cant regenerate the internal organs. So either way he was gonna die be it by ichigo's hand or his injuries. But yea in my opinion he's gone. Salubri 20:11, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

No offense, but talking more about facts than opinions, we can't prove he's alive but we can't be sure 100% that's dead and won't show up again :p

Ultimate monster!
If there is a method to combine Espada powers, then Aaroniero + Szayel Aporro + Zommari (and perhaps + Ulquiorra) = ultimate Espada!!! --Kroduz 13:17, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

"Yammy 's Espada Tattoo"
This image need to be changed. It is not an "Espada Tattoo", at least not on that state.

Ilovefoxes 05:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Espada Tattoos
I have a theory about the Espada tattoos. I think they are directly related to the Espadas' spiritual power. Kind of obvious but it explains the following:

1. Nnoitra's tattoo changes from 8 to 5. 2. Yammy's tattoo changes when he transforms. 3. Ulquiorra's tattoo disappears when he transforms to Segunda Etapa.

I believe that this is because their reiatsu becomes so singular that the tattoos no longer applies, like trying to convert inches while using a centimeter conversion. --Ulquiorra Wannabe128 18:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Please use proper capitals and grammar for better understanding. By the way I agree with your point. And also I think Ulquiorra "evolves" than "transforms" to Segunda Etapa mode. Yammy releases his Resurreccion, no transform.--Kroduz 19:40, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Espada Power Levels
How is 0 a level of power when 0 equals to nothing? I dont get it, something along with the past of what we know just doesn't add up. We are just gonna have to wait and see. Halibel101 12:16, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey i want to point out that espada 0-9 Is actually right. Because if u look at Aaroniero, he is incredibly weak. it not hard to see yammy (pre-release) beating his ass. i think he faked because he helped the espada and his insanity made him think he was a strong espada,plus he is a GILLIAN-CLASS HOLLOW. the weakest class ever.

Ithink this is the espada line:

1=Yammy 2=stark 3=barragan 4=halibel 5=ulquiorra 6=nnoitra 7=grimmjow 8=Zommari 9=Szayel

Neji sharigan 21:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I would like to point something out as well. Yammy is not number 1, Stark is. Yammy is 0. This was confirmed in the manga. So, the only way this could be untrue is if the 0 situation wasa type of scare tactic that comes with Yammy's Resurreccion to confuse his opponents as he attacked, or a type of power-up while he is in his release, which will slowly deteriorate until he reverts back to this original 10th status. I personally am not convinced that Yammy is strongest because of this fact. Who knows? But, if the 0 is his correct number, Yammy would be the only one making the number change (10 to 0). Also, Aaroniero is weaker then the Espada that rank higher yes, but he can't be weak, or he wouldn't be an Espada in the first place. We must wait until later chapters to know the truth for sure. - HuecoMuffin 19:00, 25 April 2009

Yammy is not 1 though, In fact thats right 0 equals to nothing and we know that Yammy is not particularly smart as he is all brawn. His past leaves the the speculation of power because of the 0 rank in question. He got his arm cut off by ichigo, he got totally beaten by Urahara twice as well as Yoruichi, and Ulquiorra man handles him of more then one occasion as well as other arrancar give him no respect. It just doesnt make any sense that the most powerful espada is treated like that or allows himself to be beaten. Its more likely he is the espada who is physically the strongest but most powerful is unlikely. It can be possible that Yammy is the first test of shinigamification that Aizen carried out giving him the classification outta that but not necessarily the most powerful espada. As far as Aaroniero, he was the most versatile, if he was so weak he wouldnt have been allowed to be Espada, because he can still absorb hollows and gain more power. He is an arrancar who comes from Gillian-class and is a Espada because Aizen sees that potential, he is not crazy, im not sure were that idea came from. Salubri 21:55, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

0 does not equal 'nothing,' because the number represents the order of the Espada from strongest to weakest. Seeing as 0 preceeds every positive number, that would indeed make Yammy the strongest Espada when Ira is released. I'm not so keen on the theory of his rank change being a scare tactic. He specifically stated that he is only Espada Cero when Ira is released, so his previous displays of incompetence and weakness were all authentic. From the looks of it, Gonzui and his apparent "eating and sleeping" contribute to his maximum power. It also explains why he is treated in such a manner - until he releases, he's the weakest, a fact he has acknowledged and accepted. Mohrpheus 21:02, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

More or less thats just speculative to assume he can be authentically incompetent and weak and still the most powerful one. It seems unlikely in any case 0 does equal to nothing in general and even in rank 0 is never used as a rank 1 is where it starts so the idea behind yammy being powerful is highly suspect more then likely a ruse. Regardless of release You dont go from being weak to the most powerful. I will contend he is probably the strongest, using the souls he absorbed and his death aspect (wrath) to empower his strength. Even still Arrancar including the Espada dont take weakness as a form of acceptance as has been shown even unreleased he would expect to be treated as the top espada if that was the case, more then likely he is making a gross exaggeration on his part if anything, who would refute it at this point. Salubri 21:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

What I mean is that the actual value of the number representing the Espada is meaningless. With that logic, Ulquiorra would be stronger than Stark because his rank is a number of greater value. Meaning, Yammy's rank of '0' wouldn't be considered nothing, because its value isn't what matters. What matters is the numerical order, and certainly 0 isn't used very often in ranking systems, but in this case, it is just symbolic of Yammy being the strongest. There's no confirmation about whether or not it is a bluff, but I doubt it simply because of the steps Yammy has taken to increase his power. The reason he doesn't act or is treated like the strongest is because he's usually always unreleased, making him the Decima Espada in that case. Mohrpheus 14:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

But you just totally ignored what i said to prove your point. In a ranking system which is what the Espada have the rank does matter as is portrayed countless times. Also in any ranking system it starts from 1. In any sports event or what have you as well. What your talking about isn't a ranking system its a value system which in the way that you explain makes sense but has nothing to do with a ranking system. You mixed a value system with a ranking system to prove your point but thats not what is happening. There is no question they are ranked by their power thats provided for countless times. Also from what we know of arrancar and espada the way your portrayed is a big deal. If Yammy is 0 then he is should be respected as such (assuming its a valid ranking above 1 which it is commonly not) on the account that his release would spell doom for whoever showed disrespect. The same reason why Ulquiorra wouldnt be stupid enough to start a conflict with Halibel and Stark. It doesn't make sense to assume that a simple thing as being unreleased would allow him to be treated with disrespect when all he would have to do is release. It just doesnt make sense from what has been seen. If anything he is probably the strongest but i doubt he is the most powerful at all and that would account for his treatment. He is 10 unreleased and a big 0 released, which attributes to nothing because either way in a ranking system he would be on the bottom or not even involved in the ranked system. It would make sense if he is treated the same in either case as strength alone does not win a battle, the scenario is more likely. Salubri 17:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Lol, it would seem that you and I cannot agree on anything. Alright then, I'll concede my argument, seeing as I could do nothing more than repeat myself. Unfortunately, it would seem that the Yammy fight is being postponed until after Barragan and Halibel are dead. The likelihood of the strongest Espada being killed last is high, so it all depends. Then we'll see who's right xD Mohrpheus 19:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Espada death representations typo?
it occured to me, after reading Bleach 356, that Ulquiorra's aspect of death doesnt really apply. Nihilism is the total rejection of established law and institutions. i thought 'that sounds more like Nnoitra.' but then, i look at Nnoitras aspect of death, which is despair. doesnt despair fit ulquiorra? he freaking looks like he is crying all the time, and his Segunda Etapa is called "True Despair"... see the connection? Nihilism is Nnoitra exactly. I think they got mixed up.--Ulquiorra Wannabe128 11:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * you may be correct in your assumption, but the writer out it as it is and that is how it is
 * and Nihilism is not rejection of law and institutions, but rather a view on life consisting
 * of that if life has no meaning it is not worth living(hence him always asking about the heart)
 * Fawcettp 11:33, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Also to add on to Fawcettp's statement, that would fit Uliqiorra fairly well. Nnoitra is likely despair because he hates loosing, every time anyone beats him he wants them to kill him because they have destroyed his pride. (When he had lost to Kenpach, Kenny was gonna let him live but he just about forced Kenny to kill him.)Acacia Akiyama 20:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

What the Death Representations mean
This is just pure speculation. Has anyone else noticed how each of the Espada have died, or something that happened as they died. Schiffer discovered his "heart". Szayel was killed by an even bigger madman. Going out on a limb, Zommari was killed by Byakuya, who was definitely more "intoxicated" with the rules of the soul society than Zommari was with Aizen. And I guess Nnoitra felt Despair during his fight against Either Zenpachi or Nel. That's all I can think of. It may be a precursor of sorts to how the remaining ones will die. User:Elementite 6:05, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Sign your comments. And I'm sure it means that they symbolize certain ways to die, not that that they're dying that way, which makes sense for some of them, but not all of them (for example, Nnoitra represented Despair). Arrancar109 22:44, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Arrancar109. Besides, Nnoitra was happy when he lost to Zaraki - he died on his feet, before he even hit the ground, just like he said he wanted. Mohrpheus 14:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)