Talk:Wandenreich Members

Gunael Lee and Gremmy Thoumeaux
Considering Guenael was the product of Gremmy's fantasy, and Gremmy is the actual Stern Ritter, isn't it more fitting for Gremmy to have his own article, rather than be shoved to the side on this page? Guenael didn't even last three chapters, but he has a page to himself.--The Eleventh Doctor (Trust me. I'm the Doctor.) 06:22, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * In fact, it might be wise to do what was done with James; give Gremmy his own article, and place Guenael in a subsection on Gremmy's article for "subordinates", as Guenael was a living character created by Gremmy, and thus his subordinate.--The Eleventh Doctor (Trust me. I'm the Doctor.) 06:26, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Despite apparently being imaginary, Guenael was considerably more developed than James was compared to Mask. I agree that Gremmy should probably have his own page, but we are probably waiting until we have a little more information on him, which will more than likely come along next week. Mohrpheus   (Talk)  13:20, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, alright. I suppose that makes sense.--The Eleventh Doctor (Trust me. I'm the Doctor.) 21:42, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

Pepe's shoes
Now we have seen Pepe's (Unnamed Sternritter 2) shoes, and they correlate to the shoes worn by the one who attacked 12th Division, and his laugh seems to be right too. So, is it time now to state that it was he who attacked the SRDI? -- 09:09, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it was more or less confirmed after we got the kana of the laughs matched up. The only issue up till now has been that we haven't seen his upper and lower body in one shot. Now that that is cleared up, I think it'd be safe to add onto his plot and abilities. Mohrpheus   (Talk)  13:08, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Pepe Page
As of 594, I say we have enough info to give Pepe his own page. 01:13, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd say so too. I'll move it. 10:30, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

Nianzol Weizol's Signature Skill
Obviously we've just seen this guy's power in action and it could be labelled under various names but I really disagree with his power being labelled "Air Mimicry". He doesn't mimic the properties of air at all from what I've seen. If anything a more accurate power label (at least until we're given the nitty gritty on what exactly he can do) would be something along the lines of Aversion Field etc. Just a thought.


 * --Demotivator (talk) 00:33, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm pretty sure the name we use to describe his power will depend heavily on which definition of the word "wind" Kubo is using, which we'll determine from the kana. If it's "wind", as in the noun, then it stays as is; if it's "wind" the verb, on the other hand, which I believe it is based on the chapter title, Aversion Field might be accurate, but that depends on whether or not he actually has a field to divert attacks with - if not, Attack Deflection would make more sense.--Xilinoc (talk) 01:14, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

I agree Demotivator, air mimicry doesn't seem the best fit. I've taken it out. If it is to do with wind as in air, then manipulation seems more appropriate than mimicry (at this stage, obviously things can change in future chapters). 09:45, September 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * That's fine with me, I just want to make it known that Sal came up with that particular ability in chat and I just listed it as such when creating the sections.--Xilinoc (talk) 10:34, September 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * I was self-debating between Attack Deflection and Aversion Field as to which might be more accurate. But I agree Yyp, manipulation does sounds more appropriate than mimicry. I guess we'll have to see how his power is described in later chapters. Ah right, Salubri came up with it.


 * --Demotivator (talk) 14:31, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

Lille Barro Epithet
Lille Barro epiphet should be changed to X - The Exorcist (Chapter 610 Page 8)
 * Thing is, that's one scan's translation. Mangastream, another manga scanning site, has it translated to what we have here on the wiki, and it is reflected on the profile image.

Pernida's ability
I don't know how that's related to "compulsory" or "compulsory execution", but it seems Pernida has the power to manipulate the objects' shape. It unraveled the giant Soul King soldier and rolled fake Shutara's body into a ball, along with the blood. Should this be mentioned on the page? Will-O-Wisp (talk)

Shaz Domino
It appears that all 26 letters of the alphabet are taken, so it seems unnatural for Shaz to be still without a known letter. Should we make a trivia section for Shaz, and put this seeming oddity there? Yatanogarasu (talk) 03:25, November 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * As of right now, there remains the possibility that there are unlettered Sternritter, given the fact that Shaz did not state his letter when introducing himself like basically every other Sternritter has up until now and was about to explain what power he had instead. Since there's been no confirmation for or against the existence of such a thing, it's speculative to say something like "Shaz is seemingly the only Sternritter without a letter" or whatnot. Hope that helps.--Xilinoc (talk) 04:07, November 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, you're right. I guess we should wait for him to show his letter (if he has one). Yatanogarasu (talk) 05:00, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Actually theres nothing in the manga that supports that a Sternritter can NOT have a letter; given how the very nature of their power stems from a word from each letter of the alphabet, and as explained Yhwach basically inscribes a piece of his soul with a letter into them giving unique powers. (as visually represented by B for Haschbrowns). It probably couldn't hurt to acknowledge Shaz apparent uniqueness, as its NOT speculation; the mofo literally has no available letter to use.--Seigheil (talk) 17:09, November 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oooooor we could just wait. For all we know, Kubo plans to explain his existence at some point in the future: seriously, there's no harm in waiting instead of speculating.--Xilinoc (talk) 18:54, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

It's highly possible that Shaz Domino could indeed be an unlettered Sternritter. But I remembered that, some sternritters can share the same letter designation but (slightly) different powers. Take Royd Lloyd and Loyd Lloyd for example. They're both Sternritter Y-The Yourself, with the powers if appearance and power mimicry. The only minor difference is that Royd can also copy someone's memories as well. Guanel Lee and Gremmy Thoumeaux don't count since, Gremmy created Guanel, thus revealing that Gremmy was the true Sternritter Y. Either Shaz is an unlettered Sternritter, or a same-lettered Sternritter. Poweltav (talk) 23:33, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

I just leanred that Shaz was one of Gremmy creation he was know The Viability, I don't know what that does though, I found it on that new Bleach book 13 Blades, and here is a picture of him without his clothes http://i.imgur.com/PNxWMGP.jpg, (Wished Kubo made it clearer though) CoolJazzman (talk) 13:47, August 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's called Bleach 13 Blades. Features both Kubo and fan art, as well as a Kubo-drawn chapter 520.5 that has information on Kira (alive, but critical). It's currently still being translated, so any info on Shaz is just that picture~ SilverRain (talk) 13:59, August 4, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the clear up, I heard about Izuru is alive too, but Mayuri treating him so I say he will pull through, (but I doubt his safe under Mayuri "care", lol)CoolJazzman (talk) 14:14, August 4, 2015 (UTC)

Pernidas' Gender
We have Pernidas listed as an "it" on the page, yet in Cnet128's translation from mangahelpers, Pernidas is referred to as a "he" by Lille on page 15. See here. I say we change the pronoun use to match.
 * * ahem* Äs Nödt. All the translators used "he", but we stuck with keeping him genderless until we got physical confirmation to be safe, as the Japanese language is full of vagueness. Same applies here; Cnet's screwed up a couple times before, a la "Sixaxis" and Yumichika saying Hōzukimaru belongs to him. Best to wait until the hood comes off, as there's a good chance it will eventually.--Xilinoc (talk) 21:06, November 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Character pronouns again. Fun. I actually was going to agree with Kamikaze839 on this, but Xilinoc has given us some good examples of the occasions Cnet's screwed up (and the pronoun vagueness of the Japanese language in general). I think we should wait for a bit more exposition on this, but I don't think it's of any consequence whether or not we do it this way. Arrancar109 (Talk)  21:16, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

For now, we're gonna have to call Pernida an it, at least until that hood comes off. Let's not forget, BG9 is also rendered genderless until we get some further confirmation on "it". I assumed that Pernida was female, due to the sounding of the name "Pernida". BG9 looks like "it" could be make just from the sounding if the name "BG9". Sometimes, one can determine another's gender just from the sounding of the name. Though they may be misleaded, like the substitute team believing Kukaku to be male, when in reality, she's female. Poweltav (talk) 23:39, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Gerard's Vollständig
I was just wondering should we add a picture of his Vollständig or should we wait for a better shot of it? I got a nicely cropped picture of it saved on my tablet but two problems 1. The Mangapanda logo in the lower right corner and 2. I have trouble with filling out the F.U.R. Mr.Rig and Zig 06:14, November 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Honestly, we should just wait for a better image. The one detailed shot of Gerard with it active and no one obstructed has a good part of the thing cut off by the panel, which kinda defeats the purpose of illustrating it.--Xilinoc (talk) 13:35, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Pernidas Volstandig is missing.
Can someone please add the ability Quincy: Vollständig to Pernidases page, it is shown in chapter 604? --JustaNobody (talk) 21:41, November 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * Section and information added.--Xilinoc (talk) 23:58, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

Gerards The Miracle Enhanced Ability?
Is it worth mentioning that Gerard Valkyrie's Quincy: Vollständig enhances his The Miracle ability?--JustaNobody (talk) 00:16, November 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * We do not even know what Gerard's ability does, let alone whether it was enhanced or not. So no. Mohrpheus   (Talk)  01:04, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps he could instead display his The Miracle ability in Vollständig. Remember, he was resurrected by Auswählen, which can also awaken the true powers of those who are positively affected by it. Juhabach took the powers of 4 Sternritter, and transferred them to his defeated Elite guard. Lille even revealed, that he didn't have a chance to use his true power, The X-Axis. Based on the term "The Miracle", Gerard can probably do something miraculous by performing miracles.Poweltav (talk) 23:46, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Seperate
Given the amount of information we have on Pernida Parkgjas and considering how information is still being added to his page, shouldn't a seperate page be created for him, after all he is still alive and we are most likely to see more of his abilities in upcoming chapters from the battles against the Shinigami.--Tuxedo12 (talk) 04:12, May 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Currently there is not enough to warrent his own page and being "most likely" is different then saying "there is" until such time he is given more time and shown doing more his page doesnt need to given consideration. The reason this page exists is because there are many characters in bleach that never became anything significant and having a stub page is just wasteful.--

Zeidritz and Algora
If Hubert was included on the Sternritter Members page, then why aren't Algora and Zeidritz included as well. I think that they should be added just like Hubert was too. I mean it kinda makes more sense to do so.Poweltav (talk) 22:24, July 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * Because unlike Hubert, we have no explicit confirmation that they were Sternritter.--Xilinoc (talk) 22:37, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

Can we at least add them to another list? We could make a page called "Wandenreich Members". Mr.Rig and Zig 22:44, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

Shaz Domino and Article Name
So we saw from the revisions that Shaz is actually another one of Gremmy's The Visionary creation, like Guenael. Although the source is yet to be released and translated, this would make him no longer a valid member under the article named "Sternritter Members". We should rename this page to something like "Wandenreich Members"; this way, we can also add Zeidritz and Argola here, as they are not certain to be true Sternritters. Yatanogarasu (talk) 01:59, August 12, 2015 (UTC)