User blog comment:Xilinoc/Ch. 674 - Father 2/@comment-1351982-20160519121839/@comment-26912075-20160521195519

I am going to continue with this discussion. One thing I noticed is that you mention filler characters and how they are irrelevant. Yes, this is true, but it is something that you must accept with filler arcs. The only filler character that was relevant to the overall story in the anime was Jin Kariya (and no Katen and Kyokotsu do not count as Kubo was the one who originally designed those characters). You cannot judge a filler character the same way you judge a canon character as filler is used to continue the anime to wait for the manga to have enough content to animate (or you can just abuse it in Naruto, Pierrot.) Additionally, the animators practically need to copy off the original material because if they do not do that it will not seem like the series is like i was before hand. The main reason they do this is to appeal to the fans so that they will not be furious and stop paying and watching the series before the canon material can be animated further.

I appreciate you making a strawman of my argument Salubri. When have I ever stated that I dislike Bleach. Yes, the middle parts are really stupid and some chapters last year were absolutely abysmal, but I feel as though Volumes 1-21 and Volumes 55-63 of Bleach are some of the best that shonen manga have to offer. I would say that copying what other characters are with a few slight differences is a cheap way to introduce villains. Antagonists should have their own personality and a character that the viewer can identify as that character's own. A villain should not just be boring copies of stuff that has already been introduced in the story and should be a new and diverse character. I have never defended these filler characters as good characters. As I had stated before, I simply am trying to say that comparing these characters to the canon ones, they are around the same quality of character and even surpass them in a few instances. So, basically you judged my opinion on something with barely any evidence, and blamed the filler for being filler. You could say the same things for the Zanpakuto and Bount arcs, which you claim are better.

Quincy, your first point is very true. Inaba basically had no build up. But considering he had the brain of the scientist that created the Mod Souls, it makes sense that Inaba would fall under the Mayuri-Urahara-Aizen type of character. I see why Orihime would not fight Aizen by herself, because that would be suicide, but her doing absolutely nothing to help her friends who are dying is malarkey. I know she is the healer of the group and can't attack efficiently, but she should at least be able to do support attacks rather than being utterly useless in a fight scenario, but I suppose that is the fate of female characters in most shonen. Your argument is much better than Salubri's.

My final point revolves around the quality of the Bleach story as a whole. Even if you deny it, it is true that in terms of anime, this show is absolute garbage in quality. That does not mean I do not like the show, I do and it is one of my favorite long running shonens. All I have to say is that you can like something, or even have it be your favorite, with realizing all it's flaws and that it is in fact not the best. Bleach had it's glory days, but those have long past. It is a shell of its former self and reflects hardly on its glory days. I suppose it will never return to that quality and will always be considered one of the worst shonen animes there ever was, something which it does not deserve. So bottom of the line, the Fake Karakura is terrible, Soul Society is terrible, the Invasion arc is terrible, Bleach is terrible, shonen anime in general are mostly terrible, and retro anime are always the best. And I still love Bleach besides that fact. Farewell, and may the Soul King look kindly down upon you.