Talk:Shinji Hirako/Archive 1

Struck down
I am not sure if that last picture could be interpreted as Shinji being struck down by a deadly strike. I think the safer interpretation is that Shinji, upon removing his mask entirely, aimed a deadly strike at Aizen. Tinni 13:53, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't even actually remember what this was about but since it was in July, I am sure it's sorted itself out by now. Tinni  (Talk)  11:25, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Shikai Command
I could have sworn that there is a good chance that his is Sever. --Wrave 01:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I sort of thought that too, but looking closer at it, that doesn't seem to be the case.LapisScarab 01:17, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I thought the same thing you did but i agree with lapis when he said sever nothing happened or they were hiding it its 50/50

However, he did appear to think it. And we know he is capable of bankai, and we know bankai users can release shikai non-verbally. I noticed something else too; sever is also the shikai release command for Syusuke Amagais zanpakuto. I dont think Kubo would double dip, but it is something to think about.--Ulquiorra Wannabe128 13:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hirako was not releasing when he attacked Aizen - that was a caption. There was no speech or thought bubble there. Sleepyfans translated it as "sever", Cnet as "He strikes", Ju-Ni as "He cuts" and M7 as "Slash". It is just describing what is happening, and also "He" would not be part of a release command. See these links for the different translations.  . --Yyp 16:33, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It is revealed in the latest chapter. --DorTheScripter 19:31, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Hollow mask disguise.
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/365/17/ If you look here you see at the bottom panel that shinji i hollow that hat he wears. http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/366/18/ and http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/365/18-19/ You see his hollow mask.Compareing the dtail on his mast with what shown in the bottom panel in my first link it does not look the same, yet in the next link he has his mask on. Basically what I am saying is could the little hat that Shinji wears be also his Hollow mask in disguise. Here proof he brought the hat to the battle, http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/365/01/ http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/365/05/ If you compare the detail from my first link to these they match with his hat.Once he puts on his mask hes hat goes missiing. When he confront azien and he distergrates the mask, you still don't see the hat anywhere.In the first link around his fingers the thing he is hold is folding around his fingers like its some kind of fabric. Note I think the hat and his hollow mask are one in the same.Saimaroimaru 04:01, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thats trivial at best, and sounds completely impossible. Manga may not show the hat because Kubo is lazy and doesn't carry small details from one panel or page to the next, especially if something bigger is going on. His mask froms from his spiritual pressure infront of his face like any other visored's does as well, not trickling down from his hat.--Licourtrix 09:31, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

"In debt"
Check forums.--SalmanH 17:25, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Junk Trivia

 * In the Turn Back the Pendulum mini-series, Shinji tells Aizen about a then-new thing called jazz that Aizen would not understand because he's "not hip." This implies that, even as a captain, Shinji was just as youth-orientated as he is now.


 * One of Shinji's previous acclaimed crushes was Lisa Yadōmaru, a fellow Vizard; his current is Orihime Inoue.

I think both of these are junk. If u disagree please state why before u readd them. Minato88 00:14, November 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Shinji is one of the few characters to be featured on more than one Bleach manga volume cover (volume 21 and volume 36).


 * He is also, until now, the only Vizard that has been featured in a Bleach manga volume cover (with the exception of Ichigo).

I've removed these two from the article as well. We don't do the only and list type trivia. Also, it is already mentioned in the synopsis that he floated upside down in the sky above Ichigo, so why is there a need to state it again in the trivia? That is just wasting space. -- Yyp  (Talk)  16:34, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Sakanade
The translation I have for Sakanade is irritation but its literal meaning is "reverse petting", as in rubbing an animal's fur the wrong way. Can someone check if this is correct?--Shinitenshi 01:33, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Sakanade (逆撫) lit. "counter stroke"

逆 saka(rau) "counter, inverse, reverse, opposite"

撫 nade(ru) "stroke, pat, smooth down"

Though today commonly used to mean "irritation, rubbing the wrong way," such a meaning is clearly just an extension of its true, original meaning of "counter stroke." This original meaning also seems the best one to use, seeing as how Hirako suggests that it will be a counter to Aizen's illusion powers with Kyouka Suigetsu. Adam Restling 12:34, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Great! Thanks for clearing that up for us. I changed it on the article. Twocents  (Talk)  00:26, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Shikai's Release Command
I found another scan that said his release command was "Fall." I think it was SleepyFans's scans (though I accessed it through Maximum7's site). Normally, I'm not convinced that SleepyFans is right, but their translation of Shinji's description of Aizen's Zanpakuto seemed more accurate (they said that he controlled the senses, rather mangastream's translation that said he controls the nervous system). So are we sure that "Collapse" is the correct command? Because either way, the translations we have are from those who translated quickly, which may provide room for mistakes. Or should we wait for Ju-Ni or someone else to translate it before worrying about it? Twocents  (Talk)  04:21, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

"Collapse" is actually correct (for once XD). The Japanese is taorero (倒れろ), the imperative/command form of the intransitive/passive verb taoreru "collapse, fall (down), succumb."

Interesting side-note: the transitive/active twin of this verb, taosu, is often translated "defeat" (< "fell, cause to fall, bring down"), as in constructions like kisama wo taosu! "I will defeat you!"

As for the "nervous system" thing XD, yeah, that's a goof. Those scanslators were thrown by the word Hirako used, shinkei (神経), meaning "nerve(s), sensitivity(/ies)," which in his sentence should be translated "senses." Adam Restling 12:43, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Adam! (Hope you don't mind the shortening of your name.) For those of us who have absolutely no idea what kanji means, it's hard to know how accurate the scans are, particularly the ones that are done quickly. Twocents  (Talk)  00:28, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Absolute control
It maybe the scan i read (onemanga) but Shinji doesn't actually mention Sakanade being able to "absolutely control" senses - http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/385/06/ -

i don't think it should say as such until we actually know what it can do. Nick D Wolfwood 12:08, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Erm, it doesn't say anything at all about his Zanpakutō abilities. Anything that was added about it was removed as speculation and it was decided that we would wait until we actually saw what it did before putting anything in. -- Yyp  (Talk)  12:51, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry i meant that the following sentence seems misleading to me - "Shinji states to Aizen that if he thought that his Kyōka Suigetsu was the only Zanpakutō with the ability to absolutely control other people's senses, he was dead wrong"

to me this sounds like it's implied that his Zanpaktou also has the abilitiy to absolutely control senses. Nick D Wolfwood 09:42, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

i'm wondering if he actually said that because the scan i read didn't. Nick D Wolfwood 09:43, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Right, I see what you mean now. Cnet and Ju-Ni (two of the most trusted and reliable translators/scan groups out there) both both say absolute/complete control. -- Yyp  (Talk)  09:57, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Shinij's Release
I believe onemanga stated something of the likes, "What is Shinji's bankai?" Is this a typo?



--Katoru urame 15:56, December 26, 2009 (UTC) katoru_urame

That text was added to the picture by Jump editors as a sort of a flavour and while it did also say "bankai" in the original japanese, we know that the editors made a mistake. Shinji released shikai. So yes it is a typo, but from Jump editors. Tinni  (Talk)  16:22, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Sakanade Type
Just wondering, would Sakanade be listed as a poison-type zanpakuto(seing as the "smell" it gives off is most likely some sort of hallucinogen) or just a regular Kido-type? Personally, i think Poison-type is a better description, but whatever.--Ulquiorra Wannabe128 21:35, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * We can only add confirmed facts to the articles, so we can't call it a poison-type (though if the smell is how it affects the opponent, then it would be a hallucinogen, but that suggests illusion-type, not poison-type). In keeping with the manual of style, we are sticking to calling it a Kido-type until someone in the story says it is something else. -- Yyp  (Talk)  12:18, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Gotcha.--Ulquiorra Wannabe128 21:20, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Foreshadowing?
When he introduced himself, Shinji said one of his skills was reversing things.

I think that was a hint at his Shikai. --Blackwolf99 16:20, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

There is no need for it to be added as each time he appeared upside down & when he said doing things backwards is already mentioned in the article's synopsis section. If it is added to the trivia it will be removed. -- Yyp  (Talk)  16:32, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sakanade's pommel
"In its Shikai its hilt becomes a large ring..."

I was thinking it would be more accurate to replace the word "hilt with pommel" as the sword still has a handle, and the hilt would be refering to the pommel, handle, and guard(tsuba).

Also, "...which Shinji places his hand in the middle of allowing him to freely control its movement without physically holding onto it if he so chooses."

Is this realy what's happening. It seems as though he's just spinning his sword by the ring, as he holds it by the handle each time he uses it to strike. I know it looks odd in a few pannels, but we are seeing it frame by frame so to speak (with movement lines btw). Perhaps the anime will make this more clear.

Firstly, please sign your posts using ~. Secondly, you are sort of correct as the hilt of sword remains unchanged but instead has a large ring as its pommel. You are also correct in that the pommel seems to be used to activate his power as he does grasp it by the hilt when he actually uses it as a sword. You can make the chance if you want. Tinni  (Talk)  03:54, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response, sorry about the signature. Arrancar79 04:15, February 23, 2010 (UTC)