Bleach Wiki talk:Policy & Standards Committee

Helping the Editors
So I feel like we should do more to help new editors and such. We've seen plenty of people not understand the policy and editors whose edits were not very good. We need a way to help them. The blogs Sun, Xil, and I wrote are very helpful, but they are more on policy than actual application and editing, and people will have to actively search for them now that several weeks have passed and the blogs have been burried down in the activity list. We might need to awaken our inner teacher and personally guide them. What I've noticed on Community Central is that the admins and very experienced editors hold "office hours", where at set times of the day and week, those editors are in chat helping users and teaching them how to edit. I think we should implement our own system, where the admins and committee have times where they're in chat assisting users in editing.

I personally went to an online public school, so personally I can say that online "office hours" would be a great benefit. We just need to find someone who can be on demand.-- 18:21, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Resignation
It's just as the topic name says, I'm putting forward my resignation. I don't feel as though I deserve the position currently, and the only reason I acquired it was due to God's encouragement. I never really had any aspirations towards becoming a member, and so I'm forfeiting my position. 03:41, June 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry to see you go buddy!! And I knew about that encouragement he was trying to make me encourage you too but I always felt that One Piece was your real home wiki but its been nice having you aboard and hope you are not a stranger!! xo

Keeping the Image Gallery talk, Featured modules, and front page as a whole updated
Okay, since we don't have enough time and guarantee of presence to discuss this in chat, let's put this up here.

We really, really need to:


 * Have committee members and admins voting on the Image gallery talk page. We need more input on changes to profile images.


 * We need to make voting on the Featured Article, Image, and Quote more well-known to the wiki community. We also need to decide what we're going to do with the Featured Image, which has been on hold for at least a month now, and if we're going to keep the Featured stuff at all, since Salubri has stated it takes up a lot of space.


 * We need to decide how we're going to keep the front page updated and maintained. As of late, it's been lagging in certain areas, and we need to keep it up-to-date.

This is everything I can think of at the moment, feel free to add more if you can think of it.--Xilinoc (talk) 01:32, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * The Featured Quote and Article don't need to take up as much space as it does, the module for the blog posts can be shortened. I am also questioning the need for a Recent Episodes module as the anime has already completed, and therefore can be removed. For Featured stuff, one of the requirements is a monthly mainspace edit count. That wards away potential voters. From what I understand, that was put in place because of a certain ex-committeeman's actions, and he's no longer part of the wiki. Is it safe to remove that particular rule?
 * If you are referring to these rules, they have been in place since long before that certain member even joined the committee. The intent of the rules haven't really shifted since then, but given the low turnout for voting, I suppose changing the policy would not be too harmful. I think that the legitimate reason given clause is enough to maintain some order in the vote. Mohrpheus   (Talk)  10:03, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Actions Regarding Users Who Are Blocked/Left the Wiki
Alright, so there's something troubling me and some other users. This issue is in regards to how we deal with users who are troubling us. The issues are: I will openly admit that I am guilty of what I have just stated. However, I am trying to change and conform to the ideas and improve my character. I strongly urge all those who see this to as well as we will create a more positive environment for which editors can work in.
 * 1) Letter of the Law vs. Spirit of the Law. Many Committee Members and admins on here enforce the policy to the letter, not making any exceptions. What I want is the spirit of the law. Several times we have blocked users without pointing them out in the right direction or helping them, or seeing the context of their actions. Some users are inherently bad or ignore warnings/help, while others are just trying to get assistance. There was one user today who made edits with good intent, but was rebuked. Some committee members have suggested blocking him without warning or actually taking the time to properly guide him (edit summaries should not count, they can't fully explain everything).
 * 2) Users who are already blocked. When users are blocked, the committee and admins get the urge to talk bad about the user behind his back, using terms such as "idiot" or cursing them out. As for users who left the wiki due to bad blood, Glass Heart and Godisme in particular, we do the same, only much much more often and be much more harsh. I don't see any gain in doing this. While it may make us feel good, it closes off any possibility of mending the rift created, it means we're still stuck in the past, and it speaks badly of the wiki to other users by projecting an image of malevolence towards people we don't like, and ruthlessness towards users. It isn't right to kick a user when they're down. The best thing we should do is put the issue to rest, otherwise we will never move on. When I say move on, I'm not saying we should rewelcome them, I'm saying that we have moved passed the trouble and we shouldn't be sticking ourselves back in.

I was hoping somebody else would have replied to this by now before I offered support, but it looks like that isn't the case. I agree with what Kami has said above, the treatment of others users (deserved or otherwise) only serves to create a toxic atmosphere on the wiki, of ill-meant gossip and shallow feuds. Whether the user has been a long-standing member or brand new, I often see them treated in a poor fashion. Following policy is fine, but sometimes you need to treat people well for them to respond in kind. Reacting to an honest mistake with harsh punishment, or dealing with differences in a manner even worse than the original offender just breeds a malevolent community.

The thing with God happened months ago, and I thought we had resigned ourselves to let it go when I brought it up several weeks ago in chat - that doesn't seem to be the case as he is still being brought up and ragged on, in chat or through private messages, and most recently in Xi's latest absent notice. I understand it was written in anger, but I don't see anybody other than Kami opening caring or trying to discourage these kinds of actions. 17:51, June 9, 2013 (UTC)