Forum talk:Hollow Ichigo

See the thing people seem to be forgetting is Ichigo IS dead! When he was training with Urahara prior to going to Soul Society, Kisuke cut his soul chain. Seems that people don't remember Shattering Shaft. That being said, we have to look at the facts. Kisuke knew Aizen's plans for the Hogyoku. Just like Aizen said, Kisuke had his own motives too, due to him using Rukia to conceal it. Now, we all know exactly WHAT happened in the past. Urahara knew Aizen was experimenting with Hallowfication. So I think it's safe to say that Urahara is very smart and if he, in a state of emergency, was able to help the Vizards survive their Hallowfication, then he very well could have purposely Hallowfied Ichigo during his training. He knew that eventually even with Bankai, if Aizen was to succeed (which he did) in turning Menos into Arrancar, the majority of even captain-class Shinigami would have too much trouble, let alone Ichigo. Being that most Shinigami, aside from Aizen, Tousen and Gin, would be too proud to train under Urahara, not to mention even ever consider becoming more like a Hallow, Urahara made a smart move giving Rukia that gigai. He knew that after Rukia saved his life he would be motivated. He knew that if he killed Ichigo, then hallowfied him he would have a sort of "fail safe" way to send Ichigo to Soul Society knowing that if s*** were to hit the fan, and Zangetsu alone could not bail him out, that his "inner instincts" born in Shattering Shaft would. It doesn't matter that he is a Shinigami, as it's already been made clear that Hallow souls coexist in all of the Vizards, not just Ichigo. That was proven during Ichigo's training with the Vizards when they mentioned that they all had to undergo the same thing. So even though Kisuke stabilized them from completely being devoured by their hallow within, they still had to take turns battling their inner hallow.

Having known that, I would even go as far to say that Isshin had some sort of contact with Urahara prior to Rukia's first encounter, and that he has known all along that Ichigo possessed intense spiritual pressure.

My point; Urahara knew he needed someone who hasn't seen Aizen's shikai, who could survive hallowfication and who had what it took to reach the necessary goals in time to respond to Aizen's attack.

Now to the Menos argument. We all know Menos are an acumulation of souls. So for Ichigo's new transformation to be from Adjuchas to Vasto Lordes, it would mean that he somehow had devoured them without knowing. Now, there's been plenty of times Ichigo's been unconscious around Urahara, Tessai and Yoruichi and if exposure in Hueco Mundo, or some sort of exposure to the Hogyoku from Rukia wasn't enough to alter "Hichigo's" being itself, I would say that he was somehow fed souls. The only reason I'd suggest this is because of his training with Zangetsu, there were a great number of Spirit Ribbons which all had to be a manifestation of something inside of him, and not just an illusion. --Jeimuzu 21:40, December 18, 2009 (UTC)