Bleach Wiki talk:Administrators

Requests for Rollback (Nwang2011)
Nwang2011 (Mr. N) has requested rollback rights on Bleach Wiki:Requests for Rollback. Twocents 01:38, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

I don't know, are we giving out roll-back rights to people outside the Policy/Standards committee? Mr. N seems to do mostly spelling/grammar correction edits, and while they are relatively minor, they are well done. He has also done some updating of articles based on new chapters/episodes. I did see that on one article he was adding the "we don't use this template" formatting, but that hasn't happened again since it was pointed out to him. With the exception of August, he seems to be a fairly regular contributor. -- Yyp  (Talk)  16:14, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Anybody have any thoughts on this? Or should we ask him if he is interested in the committee? -- Yyp  (Talk)  18:18, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, I'm not sure about giving rollbacking rights to people who aren't on the committee or an admin, just because it seems like something that's given to people who have a little more authority on the wiki, and if we gave rollbacking rights to everyone who was a pretty good contributor, it might get confusing for other users as to who to turn to. But I'm fine with encouraging him to apply for the committee instead. Twocents   (Talk)  01:48, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Nwang2011 has nominated himself for a position on the committee, see below. -- Yyp  (Talk)  22:34, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Templates
We apparently have an issue with some of the templates on the site. Namely the translation template. Now majority of templates besides the ones that have done are generic and linked from the animapedia sight. Now the biggest issue as i said is the translation one which if you click it apparently puts down a translation template that is a numbered list. A format that we do not use on the wiki, i looked at it last night and couldn't decipher truly what was wrong, once more i couldn't go about making a original one just for this sight as i was uncertain how to go about it at the time. Anyhow we all need to be aware of it and find all the ones that come from that sight. Until they can be replaced with something original to the sight they may continue to be a problem. Until the translation template can be fixed, its probably best to just inform those users that use it that its wrong and explain which kind we do use. They shouldn't be held accountable unless they don't listen to the instructions of the right way to do it. On top of that there seems to be a few templates or styles that we use here that may not be listed anywhere and they need to be, unfortunately i can't think of any off the top of my head but i know that we have used them in the past couple of weeks when certain users have done the opposite. So if anyone can recall one, make sure you list it on the manuel of style. Salubri 22:56, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Committee Initiation
As mentioned above, Minato proposed an initiation of sorts for our three committee nominees, Gold3263301, TomServo101 and Animeluvr92. In case anyone missed it, he suggested that they write five anime summaries each so that we could get an idea of what they are like. I think it is a really good idea and would give us a great chance to see what they're like. I kind of want this to be moved along as nothing has happened on it in a while and I'm sure they are wondering what's taking us so long. -- Yyp  (Talk)  18:18, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

As stated above im all for the idea. Salubri 18:55, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

I'm also fine with it. I think we're just waiting for Arrancar109's input at this point. Twocents  (Talk)  00:38, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

I'd say yes with Gold and Tom, but I'm not too sure on Animeluvr. I'll have to look into his/her contribution history. Arrancar109 18:04, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Right then, I've given Minato the go ahead to start the initiation with Gold & Tom, and he has contacted them about it. He'll leave Animeluvr for the moment. -- Yyp  (Talk)  20:11, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

References Removing Glitch
Just bringing this to your attention: twice in the last few days I have encountered a rather strange and quite damaging glitch. This glitch removes everything that is in < > tags, including all references and the small writing underneath the anime-only arc headings in the synopsis. The first time was by Minato88, who had no idea what happened, but said that he was editing a page and encountered the edit conflict screen, then clicked back, cut the text he was adding, clicked forward again, added his bit and saved. Whether that had anything to do with what caused it or not I don't know, but those are the circumstances behind it and here is a link to the two instances of it I have encountered: [] and []. The other person did not reply to my question on his page, so I don't know if the circumstances are similar in the two edits. If it had not happened with Minato first, I would have treated it as vandalism. In both cases, no other edit showed up, just the removal of the references etc. I'll go mention it on the wiki central forums. -- Yyp  (Talk)  18:39, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thought I'd give an update on this. It has happened a couple more times since I posted this, here and here . In the second one, it was by Minato88 and did not happen under the same circumstances as the above one - it was a straight-forward undo of a previous edit (that had nothing to do with the references). I've posted about it in Central Wiki Fourm Help Desk and sent a message through their "Special:Contact" link, but nothing helpful yet from other users & nothing at all from the staff. -- Yyp   (Talk)  13:45, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Blogs
I know blogs are supposed to be a little free compared to that of Forums but some are getting way off mark on the topic of bleach and in fact going against manuel of style or policies by just existing. Why i cant speak for all blogs ive noticed that the ones created by Flamingsword300 and flaminghorse, not sure of the difference with either user. But they both have blogs comparing series and characters from other anime, that coupled with the fact that both barely have any actual contribution history if at all. There are plenty sights that cater to aimless far fetched speculation of this kind. I personally find it pointless and ridiculous like comparing wolverine to superman (do people really care). I would hope that we wouldn't encourage it here. Considering we need progress people with all the projects and everything on the sight when people aren't being productive and making good faith edits and are only here to socialize about crazy things that would never happen (purely beyond speculation and wouldnt take place) as if this was myspace. It encourages the same behavior we had to deal with Elisukya2 about the user page situation. I don't know it just seemed like something we should at least talk about. Salubri (Talk)  19:29, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think any that the ones comparing Bleach to other series should be deleted. I just don't understand how people can even discuss that when there are such huge differences between one series and another. Maybe some people find it fun or whatever, but as far as I'm concerned, it's just junk. And this one should go too: User blog:Flarm2/PEACE▒▒▒. Especially that one. Any others? -- Yyp  (Talk)  20:20, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I've gotten rid of the PEACE▒▒▒ one, as it was nothing more than spam advertising and I think the user only registered here to advertise that site. I saw that Flaminghorse had also created the Forum:Bleach Cross over. The forum has received no replies and there is little interest in either Flaminghorse's or Flamingsword300's blogs. They won't be missed if they're removed. Will I go ahead & take them down? -- Yyp  (Talk)  17:48, December 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * I say go ahead and also make sure they understand why, so theres no repeat performance. Salubri (Talk)  18:17, December 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. And I also encouraged them to contribute to the articles more, telling them to consult the help, manual of style or an admin if they were unsure about what to do and suggested some things they could help out with. -- Yyp  (Talk)  19:36, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Colors and templates
Hey so I know we have kind of had the conversation about colors before, but i was thinking we should get into using the colors deeper on the site. Now what i mean is possibly haveing a set color scheme for various things. Usually with universal things Red/Blue/White are the traditional bleach colors. For Arrancar/Espada white and black. For shinigami maybe division colors where applicable.

There are also some new templates to start using There is a block template now for those getting blocked to be placed on their talk page as well as an inactive template. Im also currently working on a bunch of other templates. Salubri (Talk)  00:22, December 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * I like the block & inactive templates. And the new stub template. Looks much better. The hide/show thing on the navigation templates takes a bit if getting used to, but I think on pages that have more than two of them, it saves a lot of space. Good work. -- Yyp  (Talk)  22:34, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm in favor of the templates as well. They actually help clear a few things up (especially WhiteStrike's condition), so I think it would benefit us in the long-run as well. Arrancar109 (Talk)  05:25, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I'm liking the new colours on the Zanpakutō page. That's really good. The tables on their own make it look much better, but with the colours, it's great. -- Yyp  (Talk)  00:21, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Yea that took a while but i put it together the way i wanted and it came out pretty good i think. Im trying to come up with something for the characters but the infoboxes aren't easy to make but adding color to it is.Salubri (Talk)  05:55, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Committee Nomination: GODKING OF ICE CERBERUS WERE-GARURUMON
User:GODKING OF ICE CERBERUS WERE-GARURUMON has nominated himself for the position of 4th seat on the P/S Cmte. -- Yyp  (Talk)  22:34, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I expressed some concerns about him in the "Requests for adminship" discussion, one of which was how much time he could devote to the wiki. Since then, he seems to be editing a bit more regularly, though his recent edits are mostly minor stuff, with the exception of the Antagonists page, which I feel his edits have made very bloated (side note: I personally don't see why we need that page). I'm still put off by his being admin on so many wikis and possibly more in the future, as it will limit his time here. I guess I'm neutral on him. -- Yyp  (Talk)  21:11, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Committee Nomination: Nwang2011
User:Nwang2011 (Mr. N) has nominated himself for a position on the P/S Cmte. -- Yyp  (Talk)  22:34, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think I've had any direct dealings with him, but he has done plenty of work on referencing articles in the past and is helping out with the new reference project. Lots of grammar/spelling edits & minor corrections which are done quite well. The more substantial edits that I could find seemed alright. Not quite perfect, but still fairly good. He is a regular editor. -- Yyp  (Talk)  21:11, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Committee Nomination: KiranTheBoi
User: KiranTheBoi has nominated himself for a position on the P/S Cmte. -- Yyp  (Talk)  22:34, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I do not think Kiran is up to the standard we expect. He has had a lot of edits undone regarding the dead/alive status of several Arrancar, which is something he would have to uphold if he was a committee member. He has also had rather poor interactions with a number of other users, and I do not think it would be appropriate to grant him rollback rights at this time. I would just suggest to him that he help out the committee with its projects, but not as a member of it. -- Yyp  (Talk)  22:34, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Same here. He has some credibility, I admit that, but a great number of his edits have been undone by many members of the wikia, especially the Rollbackers and Administrators. Yyp pretty much stated the reasons why, so I feel I don't have anything else to add, other than the vote of his nomination. Arrancar109 (Talk)  22:58, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I really don't know what to say here. I don't recall any interactions with this user, even though im sure i may have had some. Beyond that he does have a decent amount of edits my issue would be that majority of them are trivia and quote edits which have been the focus of alot of issues and subjective edits. Also I may recall various times of complications with others but Im just not sure either way if the edits are good enough. Salubri (Talk)  03:22, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Deletion
Ok for a while now there have been a handful of things on the site that we have let slide but shouldn't be allowed and should be deleted. Namely im referring to Shinigamification largely a made up word never used in the bleach universe at all and therefore can't be a article. Another is the page for zanpakuto techniques not sure why there is redirects to techniques used by a zanpakuto that seems sort of ridiculous but none the less im not sure why the page exists if you want to look up a technique maybe going to the article of the wielder would be better. I just dont see the likelihood of someone putting that information in a search. I think the main person doing that is Shadow Dragon and im sure he has been told before not to. I looked at the redirect policy and while it somewhat refers to it i dont think it has a specific policy against it. Last but not least the biggest issue we have let slide is ichigo's Getsuga Tenshō. The page is totally unnecessary considering that most of the information on it is already on the article page. Not to mention that it specifically goes against the manuel of style. In any case the page shouldn't exist as it is a ability that only ichigo possesses not something useable by others. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  03:18, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I'm for deleting Shinigamification and Getsuga Tenshō, since the first is not referred to at all, and the latter is listed in detail on Ichigo and Hollow Ichigo's pages, but I wasn't aware that there was a Zanpakuto technique page. I want to see it first, and when I do, you'll have my vote on that one. But yeah, Shinigamifciation and Getsuga Tenshō have my support to be deleted. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  06:04, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I'm in favour of scraping the Getsuga page. Bar one sentence (which I've added to Ichigo's page) there was nothing there that was not on Ichigo's page already. I don't think it is worth listing the slight differences in his getsuga in the video games in an other media section beyond simply saying that the GT attack does vary from one game to the next. For the zanpakuto techniques, are you referring to the redirects such as Lanza del Rempalago and Nadegiri? -- Yyp  (Talk)  09:11, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Among what has been shown yes they are all redirects im just not sure of that anyone would put obscure techniques from the zanpakuto's into a search. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  09:24, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that a lot of them would likely never be used in a search. Something like Getsuga Tensho might be searched for, but not many other techniques would be, imo. Some of them might be used (once) in the episode summaries (powers & abilities section), but I think linking to the powers/abilities or zanpakuto sections would be more than good enough in those cases. We don't need redirects just for that. -- Yyp  (Talk)  09:32, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

The Antagonists page has attracted a couple of comments on its talk page about whether or not we need it. I don't see the point of it, but if there is a reason for keeping it, then I think it needs an overhaul, as recent edits to it have made it bloated and awkward to read. Thoughts? -- Yyp  (Talk)  21:15, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Im in agreement i don't think we really need an antagonist page. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  04:43, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I think maintaining the page itself is a lot more work than it should be, especially for an article that's rarely looked at. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  04:57, December 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll put up a marked for deletion notice on the GT and Antagonists pages. -- Yyp  (Talk)  13:45, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Administrator Request: Aizen sorrow z
User:Aizen sorrow z has request Administrator Status. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  05:46, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Like some others who have applied, he's just a newbie with no edit history whatsoever. And generally speaking, I'm getting pretty tired of people like this applying for administratorship. Besides, we're good on Admnistrators for now; additional ones aren't needed, and even if they are, we'd likely look into the ones we've already granted Rollback rights. To avoid any further applications for administrator status from questionable members (especially newbies), I've locked the page. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  05:46, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've unlocked the page (unless you guys think we should lock it), but I still have reserves about new members applying. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  05:51, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Only joined today and currently has no edits to the articles (unless you count the admin request page). There is no way we could possibly judge whether s/he would be good enough. I said before that if we're not looking for admins, then the status on the top of that page should be changed to closed. Locking the page seems extreme, but I agree that it is becoming a nuisance. -- Yyp  (Talk)  09:11, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * I have had dealings with the person already and from what i gathered he seems to think that the stroyline of bleach is determined by him. Which is somewhat odd he doesn't come off as having a general opinion but in fact actually stating things as fact with no bases. Maybe its just me being overly sensitive about it i dont know. In any case the above reasons are more then enough and yes something needs to be placed or done with the admin page i thought it was posted that we weren't looking for nobody new. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  16:19, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

I've moved all the old requests for adminship that we have dealt with to a new section on the page and given a brief message about them being declined and why. I'm not sure that it was mentioned here, but Minato88 did put in a request to be considered if a vacancy arises in the future. I've marked his thing as "would be considered". Also, I've tried to clarify the opening statement on the request page. It now reads
 * "Currently we are not actively looking for more admins. However, if you so wish, you may make a request to be considered for any future adminship position that may arise and we will consider them when and only when a position opens. Please do not make a request unless you truly believe that you meet the following requirements."

Is that alright? -- Yyp  (Talk)  00:01, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Anime
Hey i know that there can be confusion with the anime sometimes so i figured that maybe we should have an official policy on it. Something along the lines of the manga is considered primary source while the anime is only considered secondary. By that we can infer that what takes place in filler arcs are not canon material as say anime that follows the manga based storyline. The confusion i think some have is when filler information is listed along with the manga information. In certain cases exceptions can be made for the filler information. As long as it doesn't conflict with the manga based material then it is a fine addition to the site as long as the reference for it details that it has only been showcased in the anime. Another example is the anime that is based on the manga canon sometimes to flesh out the story for tv they show more of a fight or backstory then what was portrayed in the manga. This is fine i think as well, once again it should be established in reference that this extension has only taken place in the anime. But only in the case that they dont conflict with the manga canon. Some information can do so such as the zanpakuto arc has a number of problems along this area. It mixes considerable and informative information with inaccuracies that further confuse and brings about more questions then it answers at some points. Example the generalized information about a zanpakuto is informative and useful to the understanding of the zanpakuto. On the other side the more specific information involving the spirits forms and battles and abilities are confusing and dont seem to mesh with what is already known or generally stated all that well. Another issue it brings up is Ginrei while he is a manga based character this is the first time seeing him in anime only content about something that seems significant to him and the backstory of the kuchiki family. While the information on this makes more sense in general its still anime only. To sum it up i guess the best thing to would have a policy that states the following.


 * Manga information is primary source material and Anime is secondary source material. While Manga takes precedent on the site anime is not to be discarded as it has character designs by Kubo himself as well as it is content signed off by him. In majority of cases the information presented in anime is the tv version of manga based material thus by and large the information presented is canonical.


 * In the event of information from the anime being extended and featuring material that was not in the manga such as extended fights and storyline to flesh out for tv viewing purposes are fine inclusions as long as it stated in references that they are only depicted in the anime.


 * Filler information while not canon due to inaccuracies in story timeline has some exceptions to the information to be included. In cases where the information presented does not conflict with what is known nor relies on story timeline to be accurate in canon material (such as powers and abilities) it can be placed in the article. (i.e. Yumichika, Yoruichi, Ukitake, Matsumoto, Hitsugaya using kido, as there is nothing in canon that says they can't or causes conflict and in fact it more supports the notion that they can given their established abilities or backgrounds). The obvious opposite to this is Ikkaku or Kenpachi using kido when it has been stated in canon that they have no knowledge of it, not that this has ever been shown. But the question of shunpo ability has been brought up and while there is canon belief that kenpachi doesn't use it but knows shunpo it can be supported by his use in some anime episodes.


 * Filler information directly at odds (majority of it) should not be placed at all while information under question of conflict should be determined if it is to be added by the policy and standards committee based on what is known from canon. If the filler information conflicts it should not be placed. In the event of undetermined canon material nothing should be listed until the manga can establish a bases for the information overall.


 * Generalized information that is not in conflict is allowed as long as references stating that this information has only be confirmed in the anime.

The other issue im not sure of is when a manga based characters information and backstory is largely featured in a anime only context. Im not sure what to do or how to handle that as it may never be presented in the manga. So id leave determined that to others. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  16:15, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Seems good. I'm willing to go along with that. About your final point - I'm not really sure about that either. All we can really do is add it with references stating that it is anime-only. -- Yyp  (Talk)  21:11, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Committee Nomination: SerialSniper14
User:SerialSniper14 has nominated him/herself for a position on the Policy/Standards Committee. -- Yyp  (Talk)  11:09, December 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Neutral. Is helping out with the reference project and no real trouble with other users, but currently has a relatively small edit history, making it hard to judge. He/she has potential, but I think there just isn't enough there to judge them properly right now. -- Yyp  (Talk)  00:01, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Committee members having a say on new members
Tinni has made a suggestion on the Policy/Standards Committee page (link goes to exact section) regarding the influx in the number of applications to join the Committee. In short, she proposes that to avoid us having to consider unsuitable candidates, the existing Committee members can use the oppose template if they think a candidate would not be accepted by us (she gives a list of reasons). Any candidate that gets more than one oppose would not be forwarded to us. -- Yyp  (Talk)  11:59, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

That would work. I like the idea in order to get to us they have to go through her lol. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  22:48, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

The Committee has had their say on the new applicants (Policy/Standards Committee page). Here are their votes:


 * User:Nwang2011 got positive votes from all three of them.


 * User:Gold3263301 got two positive votes from Minato88 and Mohrpheus and a neutral from Tinni


 * User:TomServo101 got a positive and two neutral votes. Positive was Tinni.


 * User:SerialSniper14 got two positives from Tinni and Minato88, neutral from Mohrpheus.


 * User:KiranTheBoi got two negatives from Minato88 and Tinni.

The rest were all neutrals. -- Yyp  (Talk)  13:45, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

My particular take on this is that the four Nwang2011, Gold3263301, Tomservo101, and SerialSniper14 have by and large proven themselves by doing extensive edits and of mostly good quality. There is always room for improvement but considering their work so far I would put them in the running to be committee members and see what happens from there. Though if there is an issue about avaliability that needs to be taken into account before anything. No point in having people in important positions if they arent gonna be around. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  19:25, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Bleach Movie 4
I was wondering, since we are likely to see an influx of edits about it, how are we going to deal with the new movie. Would any plot info from it be treated as a spoiler? If so, a new section for it should be made on the spoiler page. And how would we treat it considering the timescale involved here (a year until its release and likely another 9 months until a sub becomes available) - do we not allow plot details to be added until it is released in English, or would we allow details to be posted once it is released in Japan? -- Yyp  (Talk)  12:57, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

January Feature Article
The results of the Bleach Wiki:Featured Article were very close and after some discussion, Salubri & myself feel that it is a draw between Aizen & Hisagi. Both have already had some of their votes removed due to users not mentioning the article, but we think that some of the remaining ones should not be counted either (Aizen loses vote numbers 4 & 11, Hisagi loses vote no.3), giving them 11 votes each. In the event of a tie, the voting policy says admins will vote to break the tie. So which article do you vote for?
 * I vote for Hisagi's article. -- Yyp  (Talk)  18:43, January 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I vote for Hisgai's article. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  18:49, January 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I vote for Hisagi. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  00:52, January 2, 2010 (UTC)