User talk:Timjer

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Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! (This is an automated message generated after your first edit here.) Yyp (talk) 10:11, August 26, 2016 (UTC)

Lille's power
Ey, thanks for adding Lille's spiritual power to his page with references and everything. Can't believe we overlooked that for so long.--Xilinoc (talk) 22:48, July 19, 2018 (UTC)


 * By all means, though I imagine it will be trickier since almost all of his combat feats come once he's empowered by The Miracle.--Xilinoc (talk) 15:32, July 20, 2018 (UTC)


 * Just looked it over and, aside from some minor grammar tweaks, it looks great! Thanks again for the work.--Xilinoc (talk) 15:43, July 20, 2018 (UTC)

Roleplay
Hi. Do you want to roleplay Bleach with me? BrittalCroftFan (talk) 10:28, July 21, 2018 (UTC)User:BrittalCroftFan

RE: Royal Guard Discussion
Hey there. I closed the discussion because it had become clear that it was more of a discussion in regards to if he retconned and if he did not. Its possible that he did, I do not claim to know. But Talk pages are there for improvement of a page and without a point of reference to the topic then it becomes speculation which is not something that should occur on a Talk page which is there for provable and such discussions. In regards to being unreferenced, the information regarding the Royal Family is referenced as Chapter 223 Rangiku states that there is a Royal Family, Yamamoto agrees with her before continuing about their role. He then states that Aizen's goal is to slay the Soul King, just he king doesn't say that he intends to kill the rest of the Family. Sure there was nothing in the Final arc but Yhwach also called the Soul King Father without any real explanation. If its a proper discussion with relevant facts and reference points to consider then sure belongs on the Talk Page but it didn't contain such, it contained opinions on if it was retconned based on not seeing them. That belongs in the Forums. I don't care if he did retcon it and I don't care, holes are in stories all the time. Good day!!

RE: Novels
We do not ignore the existence of the novels, otherwise there wouldn't be articles for them allowed on our Wiki but there are. I have in the past discussions stated that I wouldn't mind main canon articles having separated Tabs for the Novels but this was disagreed with. I'm fine with that. I am just enforcing policies as this site has been agreed upon. But I can see the point that was made. Everyone moaning about the Novels hasn't even taken the time to fill out the relevant articles and are just whining about adding the information to canon articles where, in my opinion and others who maintain the wiki, the information does not belong. I have no interest in reading summarised translations. I am never going to read something I will not enjoy because people on the internet demand it.

Re:Request for self-ban
Timjer, might I suggest that if you are frustrated with today's discussion with SunXia that you simply take a short break instead? I see from the timestamp that your request came shortly after that discussion and I think maybe with a bit of time you will not feel so strongly about it. Only you could determine how long that would be, I would not block you for that and I don't want it in the logs that you were blocked, as anyone can see that and it might have unintended consequences if somebody did see it and thought you did something.

Regarding that discussion, Sun does set out to be harsh on you and certainly did not mean to leave you feeling down about anything if that is how it has affected you. It is just to let you know where and how things should be done so you can improve - we were all given plenty of criticism about the quality of our work over the years, including myself, it is not anything personal. I realise that can be frustrating but it is not something that is meant to hurt. Anyway, I hope you reconsider in time. Also, I realise I could do better when it comes to praising the things people do around here, so I want to add: thank you for your work, particularly on the Jump Force page but also elsewhere, including in undoing vandalism on the wiki. 22:35, November 17, 2018 (UTC)


 * Glad to hear it. Best wishes, 19:30, November 18, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Novels
In regard to adding info to the articles, I am referencing this thread. I personally suggested Tabs to separate out Other Media since that is the only way Bleach will grow unless they renew the Manga with Tite Kubo. It was decided that how this could happen would only be discussed after those articles have been filled out in the standards of our Wiki. Yes you have done a lot of work, very good work as I have said, but its not finished in order to open those discussions on how. These things need properly discussed before running into them. I know these things can become frustrating but as Sal says in that thread, people just want us to add novels to the canon articles but didn't care over and over that we requested the actual articles to be filled out too as Novels have been sitting there since 2006 and nobody's touched them just want to add things to characters pages when the Novels agree with their speculation. I made that thread a year and half ago and still people refused to do the novel pages if they wanted to discuss adding it the pages, my personal preference being separated into tabs away from Manga canon. You have only just recently volunteered to do this and this takes time so please have patience. Until the novel pages are finished this will be our stance.


 * The OC characters are a bit of a sore spot here. I recall the Spirits Are Forever With You characters were not received well here and seen a bit a ridiculous. I wouldn't personally be against having like a list for them like we do for other types of groups but its not my call has to be discussed. But I am sure it still applies like before, people don't want more novel pages created until the other novel pages for the novels themselves are not stubs.

Re: Ichibē Hyōsube
I'm not quite sure myself. I looked over edits at the time but I will check in with the dudes on the 'Cord server. And also of course i got the reference I like SOME cool things do you get me!! lol Love that film, have a fear of blood but the political commentary and such is amazing.
 * I raised it with them and Xil says it reverted back. I'm pretty useless right now as been infected with another strain of cough or fever and grr not sleeping because of it.
 * Woops so slow didn't realise you had messaged him already. D'oh!

Far as I remember, while Ichimonji controls black and removes names/halves power/etc., Shirafude Ichimonji renames things - which is an extension of the original power, and Bankai-level in its own right, but nothing to do with darkness. And when Ichibei renamed Yhwach, the slash of his brush was colored white like the tendril thing on the end of his brush, so I think it's part of the Bankai. Since it's gone during 610, I'm fairly confident Futen Taisatsuryō is a Shikai technique.--Xilinoc (talk) 18:44, February 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * I totally get that feeling, I remember thinking something similar at the time, but my logic is that Ichibei's basically the strongest Shinigami after Yamamoto, whose Shikai was pretty much Bankai-level in its own right, and being able to rename things is a much more potent ability for Ichibei than "simply" destroying someone so hard they can't even reincarnate, which would also be a Bankai-level ability, so I can see it being a less preferential but ultimately still possible ability for his Shikai.--Xilinoc (talk) 19:28, February 19, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Image
Sure thing, but I've got access to a higher-quality scan than the MS stuff we used to use and we like to avoid using JPG files whenever possible, so I've uploaded my own variant as a PNG file and added that to the gallery. Hope that works.--Xilinoc (talk) 12:05, February 20, 2019 (UTC)

Hi are you the one writing and adding the summarised CFYOW novel info? If yes, then thanks!

RE: Continuing Discussion
I'm forced to say it here: You are not forced to say anything. You still brought nothing new to the table except irrelevant DragonBall references like we should be like that Wiki. We have no intention of ever being like that Wiki. Oh sorry and As its made abundantly clear you admins simply do not like the novels. That's it. Those are not related to Bleach Wiki at all. You already know how several of us feel about the ahem, revelations made up in the Novels but doesn't change it was a dedicated team decision to have the Canon Policy as it is, seven years ago. I opened a discussing on the matter, I have linked it several times to you and our position has not changed and you know this. The matter is resolved you just don't like the answer. And the answer is, Tabs will be discussed being added to the Articles when the all Novel articles are completed to our standards. New users who have not proven their dedication to the Wiki beyond "But the novels that have been out since 2006 that I suddenly care about" are not going to change that. Our canon policy remains. Discussion Closed.

Re: Apology and explanation
Sorry I was working.
 * For starters, I wanted to apologize for yesterday. Sleeping and calming down have given me a new perspective on things. Funny how that works.

I am sorry too for any insults or bad feelings I might have caused. It was not intentional but I am still sorry as I don't want to hurt you.
 * Thing is, I suppose that my issue was that I kept taking it personally whenever you closed discussions that I was a part of.

I don't mean this offensively, just constructively, but you do. None of my actions are "I'm going to mess with someone today" just always to keep the peace.
 * Likewise, I think I should emphasize that I'm an aspie with a depression. 

I got that from one of your previous posts. I am sorry for your struggles. I also myself struggle from Mental Health issues but in a different way to you. I also understand that sometimes the wiring of your brain can make it difficult to distinguish between some things, in this case when something is a personal attack or not simply because it annoys you. Which is why I spend so much time explaining and repeating my position and trying to show how I literally have shown gratitude for your work and tried to honestly help. I understand its not always obvious when our feelings are hurt and we are distressed, whether someone hurt us or we took hurt from their actions. Add your situation into that and we do get even more confused.

I hope I am not offending you by stating the above. My mum and dad met volunteering to help people with a variety of disabilities from mild mental disabilities all the way up to physically disabled. Unrelated, but my first best friend had Down Syndrome, she was a lot older than me but it never mattered. She died when I was 11 so the harsh realities of what different conditions can mean has always been evident in my life. I actually always wanted to be a teacher because I was raised around always wanting to help.

Sadly, when I was 22, I hope I do not gross you out here, but I basically started bleeding daily. As in that thing that happens to cis women once a month, well it happened every day and I was/am in agony a lot and as you can imagine also tired and anaemic. I get an injection that gives me medicated menopause that stops the bleeding but not completely and helps the pain but its still very potent. Side effects of that are hot flushes and dizziness and nausea a lot. So, sometimes when I think I am being clear and polite, maybe I haven't been due to tiredness or dizziness or because sitting up is just hurting me and I am distracted with it. So if I am ever not clear, a wee quick message just to let me know helps. But yeah because of this and many other factors, I also suffer depression and don't worry its nothing to be ashamed of, we should all talk about it.

But on this topic, have you ever thought of joining the discord? No pressure but sometimes its easier to talk if theres ever anything you need to flag to me. There's no pressure but it might be easier to resolve any disputes you have with me or my actions. No pressure though but I do hope you well.
 * What that means is that, as it turns out, I take criticism far harder than regular people. Now, I know that constructive criticism is a thing, really, but whenever people criticise me, I just can't help but strongly feel like they don't like what I'm doing.

I know its hard to distinguish and often that can be out of your control. Honestly, your work is valued here, sorry if I haven't made that overly obvious or anything. I also do honestly understand that which is why I do keep replying and restating my points and such. I admit I can become emotional (I get hormone imbalances often) when people accuse me of thing I don't feel is justified so I too can become extremely defensive because I know I am mostly a pacifist and don't want to hurt anyone unless they are trying to physically hurt me or someone I love. Sorry for any overtly emotional responses from my side as well.
 * Wow, this was easier in my head.

You did great :)
 * Plus, if it makes you feel any better, I am on antidepressants for years now, and likely for years to come.

It certainly doesn't make me feel better that you have to take medication. But I also understand that sometimes, while yes they can help in many situations, sometimes they can knock you for six in certain situations. I remember when they gave me them for chronic pain and when didn't work I tried to come off them and my whole body nearly shut down until I took them again and weaned myself off them. Gained a new understanding for Drug Addicts at that. But yeah rambling. Hopefully they help you deal with things but I understand they have side effects. I wish you luck on that as medication can suck even when we need it.
 * See, this is why I prefer to talk things out. I know you had your reasons, but stopping discussions before people can fully get things off of their chests only makes things worse IMO.

I get that, I think discourse is very very important. However sometimes, it can be counter-productive at certain times like arguing over the same thing over and over knowing we aren't going to change each others minds. I don't mind calmly discussing things but as soon as people use insults, and arrogant isn't really a nice word, then it becomes personal and people start becoming upset. I have tried to continue those types of discussions before and they spiral to even worse words and insults until someone gets banned. Meanwhile the Wiki suffers because someone could have been doing work instead of insulting each other.

I know, having talked it out with the guy, that he didn't intend it to be an insult but arrogant isn't really a descriptive word that invokes positive feelings. Quite the opposite in fact. It's basically saying "You are wrong and too proud to see it" which is not productive in discourse. When these things happen my reaction to go on the defensive and then it becomes an argument. So, instead, I shut it down and stop it spiralling. Disagreement is fine, even if I am so tired of having this same conversation with user who have no interest in editing on the Wiki (not you, you obviously do) joining to just tell us they are right and we are wrong. As long as it stays respectful its fine even if it does bore me saying same thing for years, as long as its respectful its not against the rules. But if its goes against them, I will shut it down because that is my role and I don't want drama on the Wiki.

But yeah sorry if that was long winded or I went off track, I can ramble a lot. But I am sorry if I have hurt you. Hopefully we can learn to live together. :)


 * Sorry I was at hospital.
 * Just wanted to let you know I read your reply and I am touched that you were so open with me as well.
 * Awk I am happy that my words touched you, that is a compliment, the kind I like. Your bravery touched me too. I don't consider it brave on my part because I have always been open about my struggles, granted not as much of a chance to discuss them because the Wiki did quieten after the Manga ended. But if ever listen to our old (mostly) weekly podcasts we would regularly make jokes about how I needed a terminator body like that from Salvation so I could do the things I wanted to. After years of being shamed into silence and told to shut up about "womens problems" because they made people uncomfortable, I have become rather focal about it. I did apologise however to you because I know tradition and culture is to sweep things like vaginal and reproductive issues under a carpet with mental health so I know can make people feel uncomfortable but I also feel both are very important to discuss.
 * Sorry for being so late to reply, as I kinda let it sink in and I didn't really know how to respond. TBH, I'm not really that good at, well, this.
 * I hope you never feel forced to respond. Its ok to quietly take things on board and decide how you want to process them. I admit I hoped I didn't make you feel uncomfortable in anyway but I also wanted you to know that you are not alone. Yes I will never fully understand your struggles and I should never pretend to but just that sometimes we are all struggling and sometimes its healthy to know that and to share that. Sometimes it lightens the burdens and helps us to understand one another a little better and to empathise with each other.
 * Honestly, I thinkt that having talked like this really helped patch things up between us.
 * Yeah me too. I won't pretend that we will always see eye to eye but sometimes its good to accept we are both human and both have things that cause us to make errors in judgement. I am glad you took the time to talk to me and I'm glad you didn't take me also explaining my position as me trying to put my problems over yours. Sometimes people take it like that and I am so glad you saw what my intention really was.
 * PS: Just in case you don't have the wrong idea, I only mentioned my medication to build a bit of a bridge. I wasn't implying that you'd be happy I am reliant on it.
 * Oh of course not. I know what medication can do and I know that sometimes it can solve one problem while opening up a whole other can of worms. So I know its a fine balance that can even take years or decades to get right. Sorry if my rambling about it made you feel I was justifying myself, I didn't mean to make you feel like I was implying you were. I'm glad we can talk openly as I am not just Sun the Strict Mod and you are not just Timjer The Divided Novel Lover (sorry a wee joke about you feeling pulled at either side, feel free to tell me if its too much). There's more to us than that :)


 * I hope you are keeping well. Giving you a heads up, I closed your thread because its becoming an insult hotspot, if you need me to reopen it, ask, but becoming a wee bed for non-editors who disagree with me to start insulting again. I didn't remove it so the replies can still be read.

Re: Colored Manga
Hey man, glad you're enjoying the updates. At the moment, I don't have ALL the remaining chapters, though they're all available: this guy is being awesome enough to buy the digital volumes (since they're sorta region-restricted) and send me JPGs of the pages via email so I can update the images here on the wiki. In the past we've managed a volume per day, but he's currently in the midst of a hectic life so we can't promise we'll have everything done by next Monday, but everything SHOULD be colored soon enough.--Xilinoc (talk) 13:03, May 1, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Pic request
Done.--Xilinoc (talk) 23:54, May 2, 2019 (UTC)

Heads Up on Closure
Hey there Timjer. Just giving a heads up because I don't want you annoyed at me. I woke up this morning to find that users from the Fanon Wiki who have a long history of starting Drama here had once again come over to insult people here and their work ethic. These users have been told many times over the years we do not want their Drama here and the last time it happened one of their users basically expressed the desire to punch a woman and made sexist remarks about me being on my period and such. You can find that here. Woke up to multiple attacks on my character from people who have no interest in contributing here. So I have shut down what has again become a toxic conversation. These types of cross wiki invasions is what I try to avoid. So just giving you a heads up on this. Hope you are well. Oh it looks like we will be dividing the novel into tabs so that should be great.


 * I'd also like to apologize again for my first response being a down-and-dirty rant at the interlopers. That was probably pretty jarring for someone not familiar with this wiki's history, but like I mentioned they've been at this for a while and I'm so past the point of caring about formality and professionalism with them. That being said, I should've handled it more tactfully and steered the conversation back to wiki improvement instead of going straight to escalation, and I truly didn't mean to drag you into things or ignore your points. Just wanna make clear that you being willing to not only work on the wiki, but come to us for help and guidance in addition to offering your own suggestions truly is a breath of fresh air and the type of work ethic we've been sorely needing for the better part of a decade now. Hope you have a good rest of the day.--Xilinoc (talk) 09:31, May 18, 2019 (UTC)


 * So glad you are not mad at me. This is the type of tripe I avoid by shutting the conversation down where it roots. Those users have made blogs on their own Wiki linking people back to me personally so they will come over and attack me. Their drama is not needed and frankly not helpful. But thank you for focusing on the Wiki. Did not realise I could have closed that thread and let it remain as an announcement so i think i am going to open a new one, create a new announcement and close so that it's read-only as that is what I intended in the first place.


 * So there was no intent of discourse when you posted that thread? Merely a mistake, I see? So my assumption was naïve optimism.--Cuter than you ( talk to me ) 09:47, May 18, 2019 (UTC)

Re:CFYOW
First, yes, you may call me as you please so long as it is within the realms of a name. Secondly, that sort of decision would not be reached with any other medium of Bleach, yet these novels are somehow unique. The non-canon filler is documented a faithfully — perhaps more faithfully in some respects — than certain canon material, and that is saddening to behold. Kubo may not write the novels directly, but he is involved with the novels in the same manner that Toriyama and Kishimoto are involved in Dragon Ball Super and Boruto, and there is not a single soul that questions that validity. This wiki is making, as they say, mountains out of molehills, and wasting its time on trifles. There is no mystery on how to handle this. Rewriting the canon policy to include these novels is the easiest, and most direct method with which to handle this, and yet the way I see it here, I may as well have asked someone to tell me with the face of God looks like. I believe this is far easier than any single soul here is making it.--Cuter than you ( talk to me ) 10:05, May 18, 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the editor life
Seems like you're experiencing the crap editors on this wiki have been dealing with ever since its inception with these new schmucks acting hoighty-toighty and demanding that their will be made manifest while never doing anything themselves. Almost like a rite of passage at this point. It's rough, and your frustration toward them is entirely justified, but please keep in mind that for all the vocal idiots, there's a silent majority that appreciates your work here, and myself and the rest of the mods/admins who do so vocally as well. Hopefully that's enough to counterbalance the losers.--Xilinoc (talk) 11:39, May 25, 2019 (UTC)

Novel Content
Good morning, Timjer. I'm Kenji and I've been an editor of Bleach fanon wikis for a good few years now -- I could nearly be called a piece of the furniture at this point. I talked to SunXia and Xilinoc earlier and I was directed to you. I'm hoping to spend some of my free time documenting the novels here -- whether in sandboxes or tabs or whatever format is agreed upon -- and was just wondering which translations your using for the novels? We may as well be singing from the same hymn sheet as it where. Kenji-Taichō (Talk)  12:41, May 25, 2019 (UTC)


 * No problem, Timjer. Those are the same translations I've been using -- and the same ones most people are using at this point if comments on reddit account for anything -- so we're good on that front! Kenji-Taichō (Talk)  13:52, May 25, 2019 (UTC)

Re: HIkone page
Sorry, I saw your comment about it previously in the forum I think, but I was busy with other stuff and didnt get to look properly at it until now. It seems good and I agree with the approach of keeping the updates in line with the book summary. I'm happy for that to be added as a proper page. Keep up the good work. 17:33, May 26, 2019 (UTC)

Hogyoku Resurreccions
I'll be honest, I thought these alternate universe Hōgyoku Resurreccións were gonna stop with Nelliel, Grimmjow, and Ulquiorra, but I'm glad you're keeping up with and adding this new stuff. I just...I can't believe they gave one to Zommari...--Xilinoc (talk) 12:09, May 28, 2019 (UTC)


 * Oh, that makes sense. And yeah, it absolutely does look better, as does Yammy's and Nnoitra's - something about the energy coming off enhances the effect.--Xilinoc (talk) 12:18, May 28, 2019 (UTC)

Will you be writing out the appearance of Nnoitra, Yammy, and Zommari new forms? Darkmachines (talk)

Do you think Szayel and Aaroneiro are next? I feel Harribel, Starrk and Baraggan will be last ones. Also do you think Luppi, Dordoni, Cirucci, Gantebainne, and Rudobon should get Hogyoku Resurreccions too? They are all alive and level of the Espada too. Darkmachines (talk)

Huh you know something interesting, for what we seen so far, seem the Espada have the Hogyoku in their hollow hole right? Zommari new form is the first time we get to see his hollow hole right? So be interesting for the remain Espada. Stark and Baraggan have their on their chest, but Szayel, Aaroneiro, and Harribel have hollow in weird areas on them. Wonder if we get to see then in some degree, since I guessing Kubo didn't know where Nelliel's hole would be and that why he has the Hogyoku in the end of her new lance. What do you think? Darkmachines (talk)

Proving yourself
Hi Timjer. Just commenting on your edit summary here. Just want to say that you are not being timed or anything. Just in case, not saying you feel this way, but there is no pressure for you to be seen posting in that article all the time. Take whatever time you need. We can already see that you are dedicated to improving our wiki beyond just coming here to slander our interpretations. I mean its fine if you find that type of editing easier, I was just concerned you felt pressured by either us or unsavory elements of discordia. Hope you are well.
 * I had a feeling that was the case but I just want to make sure you don't push yourself too hard for elements that were only interested in forcing us to change to suit them rather than focus on things needed on the actual wiki. But I am glad you are ok and no need to b sorry was just making sure. Waiting for the new characters you uploaded to be available for trial play in Brave Souls so can collect the gifs or more videos for gifs.


 * Schiffy loves it or did I think he had like 500+ days or something logged on in a row. Me personally, its hit and miss for me. like theres certain fun free aspects to it but there is a lot of pay to win because well its like a lootbox. You have to keep summoning characters which costs orbs but you can earn orbs through gameplay. BUT when you can buy orbs and character bundles you can see those that do do the pay to win side. You can see it more on the Vs Battles where you see other players with really high attack ratings and such you know they have paid for things that both allows you to get certain characters and level them up. My and my friend would some times co-op  but you notice the difference in types of characters you max level. I think they need to work a lot on 3* characters. When the game first came out you had lots of different versions of all the characters. But now it feels like only 5* is focused on. So when you summon you get lots of 3* Shinigami that you already have before when they could do 3* Arrancars and Hollows but just feels like they focus on the 5* characters now in terms of new releases but still end up with loads of repeats that you have to sell our use to augment other characters. But the free aspects are not completely limited like in lots of pay to win games. You get plenty of tickets to work with, I currently have 999 quest tickets and thats considering i do do dailies and weekly quests or "Orders".

Discord
Ey Timjer, just had a thought: would you like to join the wiki discord? Figure it might be more efficient to hash out inquiries and collaborate on there than the back-and-forths we've been having on talk pages till now, plus I think you're a chill enough guy that you'd fit in well with the atmosphere.--Xilinoc (talk) 11:52, May 30, 2019 (UTC)


 * We can give you a link to join if/when you decide to, just let me know.--Xilinoc (talk) 13:28, May 30, 2019 (UTC)

Re: infobox novel inclusion
Yeah, I'll do that. Regarding the infobox on Hikone's page, give his unique nature is everything that you think needs to be there catered for or do you think it would be better to use the one on Ichigo Kurosaki's page, which for example allows you to add resurreccion or does it need Quincy spirit weapon added? 16:29, May 31, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Hofyoku forms concept art
Hey, that's pretty cool, thanks. I don't know about uploading it either, but it's definitely useful for writing the descriptions.--Xilinoc (talk) 17:07, August 28, 2019 (UTC)

I'm most likely going to replace Harribel and Baraggan pictures with better one like the other Espada. But later when I can find the most full body shots of them Ok? Darkmachines (talk)

Don't worry I will when I can find them of course. Did for Starrk and the others before, but might take a few days before I can find the full appearance ones. Darkmachines (talk)

I need you help, the new full appearance pictures of Harribel and Baraggan Hogyoku Forms where delate for zero reason and now I can't find away to upload them again anymore. Can you help me because I don't know how to get a delate picture back Darkmachines (talk)

I need help. I was ban on the Discord and don't know how to get back on it and be unbanned? What should I do? Darkmachines (talk)

Re: Aura pic
Oh, sorry, I didn't notice the Hikone pic and thought you just added that to their image gallery, I'll undo that too if you don't. The problem with the images isn't the FUR, which I'm glad you filled out, but rather 1. the fact that they have no background and seem edited as a result (though maybe it was ripped from the files like that, idk, but we don't use backgroundless images regardless) and 2. them being video game images for characters not originating from the games; it's similar to why we don't use the Brave Souls promotional art for the final arc's Shikai and Bankai releases in the actual powers and abilities sections of characters - we always use the manga/anime portrayal, even if it's just sketches by Kubo. I'm sorry for not explaining it better in my edit summary, and I don't mean to brush off your work there, but that's just how the policies are.--Xilinoc (talk) 21:16, October 23, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Nurse Roka profile pic
Ah yes, the random nurse Yammy killed that Narita decided to make important. I think she had a decent shot in the Arrancar arc, lemme go find that.--Xilinoc (talk) 15:57, February 3, 2020 (UTC)


 * "Decent" may be a strong word, but there you have it.--Xilinoc (talk) 16:06, February 3, 2020 (UTC)


 * That's Narita writing for you. See: Seinosuke's involvement/characterization in CFYOW. Honestly, I'm surprised he didn't bring back this guy and reveal he was actually the 10th Division captain before Isshin who got to retire because he had dirt on the Noble Families and has two Bankai...but maybe that's just my bias at work.--Xilinoc (talk) 16:48, February 3, 2020 (UTC)


 * Yeah, and I'm seeing that he also decided to make YUSHIMA "canon" in SAFWY? Like, why?! Of all things, why the guy with the TV remote Zanpakutō and a direct contradiction to the existence of Kirio Hikifune? Uuuuuuuuugh. As always, I don't mean to disparage your work in updating the wiki with his stuff, but this kinda crap is why I can't stand Narita and his "contributions" to the series.--Xilinoc (talk) 17:21, February 3, 2020 (UTC)


 * Well it a lot better give some background character the light, then forget about them completely. Remember in the manga when Ulquiorra and Yammy return to Aizen. We saw three Arrancars that never were used at all and forget completely. That is a waste of design if you ask me. Darkmachines (talk)


 * Hey, I was wondering if this intro was really right here? Darkmachines (talk)
 * https://bleachfanfiction.fandom.com/wiki/Kenpachi_Kuruyashiki


 * Oh I was wondering if the intro in the site page I send you could be used here, since it seem real and right. Sorry about that. Darkmachines (talk)


 * Think you get to Arrancar 100, Cien Granz tomorrow? Darkmachines (talk)

Orihime's Father
I was looking up and learn there was a cancelled chapter of Bleach the reveal Orihime's father, but he was a hollow now. Just wondering if that was interesting?Darkmachines (talk)
 * That sounds like the Bleach Pilot Chapter. 22:54, February 8, 2020 (UTC)

EU Tabs
I dont have any issue with moving the anime stuff to the EU tab eventually, but thats a discussion that needs to be had and everyone have a chance to say their piece on cause I dont think its ever been settled by the team, though the direction of travel over the years has been in that direction. I dont mind leaving the page as is to use as an example in the meantime. But as you say if we go with that idea, it isnt just the plot sections that need to be moved. Taking Rukia's page as an example, her Juhaku ability would need to move to the tab too. I assume censorship sections would move too cause theyre about what the anime did and probably some trivia points too, but they stick out unlike the personality section nuggets which could be hard to spot. All in all it works for me, once the kinks are ironed out.

Anyway, probably better to have any discussions on the tab on the slightly abandoned forum thread for it so have it in one place where everyone can see it. 22:54, February 8, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Katen Kyoukotsu manga pics
Oh absolutely, though as fair warning Kubo didn't give them the usual sort of close-up shots that "new" characters get during their manga debut. Here ya go.--Xilinoc (talk) 21:46, February 11, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Apologies for Gerard edit
Oh no no, I'm sorry for not being more clear, you've got nothing to apologize for - that summary was aimed at Lightning Laxus for his snide remark of being "surprised such blatant misinformation was allowed to stay up for so long". You cited your sources and were being entirely respectful and correct in fixing it, so full marks for and no problems with that. It's on me for not specifying who I was referring to there. That being said, I appreciate your reaching out even if it was ultimately my fault.--Xilinoc (talk) 18:22, March 1, 2020 (UTC)


 * The offer is appreciated and I'm glad you've got the official translations on-hand, but I've also got access to Viz's entire catalogue (thanks, Shonen Jump digital library) and even then we tend to use cnet's scans where possible (to clarify, his version of Gerard's speech was actually in alignment with Viz's there, I just thought the thing about the people's hope breaking resulting in despair was being removed, not added). I am, however, finding a few discrepancies as I progress through the first and second arc of the manga because this wiki was written up when the only versions of those chapters people had came from some, uh, less-than-accurate speedscanners - the kind who refer to Kenpachi as Ginbachi, for example. So if you do notice something similar while browsing, you're more than welcome to correct it and cite Viz in your summary - just keep in mind that even they aren't perfect and we generally default to Ju-Ni/cnet/Adam Restling for accuracy where possible (though they're definitely the most reliable source pre-chapter 283). Push comes to shove, I can always check my raws - that proved invaluable when I was writing up the incantation for Kagizaki because the official translation actually misinterpreted a couple kanji.--Xilinoc (talk) 18:43, March 1, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Gagaku Kairō command
Sccq98 came to me on Discord about it (we had a whole discussion about how silly the incantation and identical Shikai/Bankai name are). Apparently he works on the Polish wiki and translates raws from Japanese to Polish, with English not being his first language, so he came to me for help on that front. As to whether it's accurate - honestly, I'd love to have it evaluated by a proper English translator (Andygoesrawr, Adam Restling, BadKarma) but none of them are around these days, so I did my best with a reliable online kanji translator, and what I got is close to what Sccq98 got in his Polish translation...so for now it's the best we've got. May as well add it and change it later if someone makes a correction.--Xilinoc (talk) 19:20, March 12, 2020 (UTC)

Bankai
I think no one understand why you refuse to count Shinji's and Hisagi's Bankai to be canon. Kubo did draw and named them personally after all. Think everyone just want you all to just put them, since they are named, shown, and official.

Also important question is when Brave Souls reveal Shinji and Hisagi with their Bankai, how do I put their anime artwork of them in their pages? Darkmachines (talk)

Are you going to do an Expanded Universe to Shinji too? Darkmachines (talk)

Re: Where is it confirmed about Yachiru?
Ah, fair enough, thanks.--Xilinoc (talk) 16:23, May 2, 2020 (UTC)

Novels
Please don't forget to finish Spirits Are Forever With You please. Cien Grans still need his page made too. Other then the summaries for them, everything should be good for that one too. Keep the awesome work up please. Happy the Novels are finally getting the attention they kind of deserved too. Darkmachines (talk)

Can't Fear Your Own World
The novel is canon. Not sure why info fom it can't be added. Ti9MK97s (talk) 20:43, May 19, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Vandal on the loose
Thanks for the clean up and sorry about that, I was away from the computer yesterday and wasnt checking my emails so didnt see them or your message until now. The weirdest vandal I remember ever seeing is now blocked. 10:31, May 23, 2020 (UTC)

Yubikiri
All of Shunsui's Shikai techniques are based on some children's game, usually one that has an American/English equivalent, so I just typed "Yubikiri" into Google and found the wikipedia article for pinky swear (because of course that exists). Something that might be of note: the Japanese tradition is spelled 指切り, but the technique is spelled 指斬り, subbing for. I assume that's just Narita making it edgier, but the translator guy who mentioned it thinks it might be some kinda pun? Idk.--Xilinoc (talk) 18:46, June 1, 2020 (UTC)

Discord Again
Hey Timjer, I wanna invite you to join the Discord and pull you into our private chat room (ping me if you do). There's a few wee things I want to discuss and honestly I don't feel able to discuss it on the Wiki because with the higher traffic and interest, there are users, certain users, who I feel wouldn't be able to resist jumping into the discussion. I have written a form of this message out several times but because you hadn't joined the Discord last time I would hold back but now that Xil has brought something up I would like to try this one more time before things advance. Don't worry its not any problem with you or your work, awesome as always, I am so grateful you let me explain this Wiki to you and you learnt from that, warms my heart. There's just a few things I want to discuss in terms of comfort levels and such before things advance on the Wiki. Don't feel pressured, but let me know. There were a few things we used to do before the Manga and Anime died and now that people are getting happy over the returns, I want to see a few things. As always, thank you for all your hard work, maturity and perseverence.
 * I know learning new things can be rough but once you are in i will take care of most of the stuff as I am the founder of the server. Now I might not always be around, I haven't slept in few days this heat is a biach. But the guys usually ping me and I will pull you into a private room. Sorry I don't mean to pressure you but I think you know what I mean when I say certain things will trigger a response from certain types of users and I am not in the mood for the headache because I will bite and I don't like biting.
 * On Discord you have an option of a web version and an app version. The app and program can be used on pcs and phones and honestly is the more stable option. Like i get pings on my phone so if I am conscious I will do my best. Hope to see you soon :)

WDKALY corrections
No problem. 12:36, July 22, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Prudish fandom?
Well, what happened this time was that FANDOM received a "Google content report" about that image and the dedicated liason for the wiki, Ursuul, pinged me with notice that it had to go because "[even though] it's from the source material & not used for anything sexual, [...] it is still against the Terms of Use to have full nudity, depicted or otherwise". I've been around here long enough to know that it's pointless to try and change the overarching rules of the site or fight against unnecessary projects/changes, so I just decided to cut the knot and do it myself with some snark in the last summary. In truth, I've got nothing against Ursuul for this and I vastly prefer the method he used over what happened with this file a few years back, aka the EXACT situation you were describing of an admin coming in and deleting a non-offending file without even DISCUSSING IT with the mod team...I just hate prudism in general for the exact reasons I listed in the summary. In theory this would be to "protect the children" or whatever from seeing adult content, but Bleach is full of so much violence and gore, not to mention near-full male nudity (see: Charlotte's Resurrección) that's never once been an issue to present on the wiki that it feels like an unnecessary double standard - and what makes this sting more than the Yoruichi pic is that nudity or not, Mayuri dreaming of Nemu was a beautiful moment and now it can't ever be depicted on the wiki unless the anime censors it sufficiently in 2024 or whenever the hell it drops. Ugh.--Xilinoc (talk) 20:21, July 26, 2020 (UTC)

Re: RE: The Almighty
It's alright, Yyp made a good point that since it's a complex power and has multiple users, it does indeed warrant its own page - it's just that we've had at least a few discussions on the wiki about making individual pages for ALL the Schrifts, which always seemed unnecessary, so that's what I had in mind when I reverted it. Aside from not discussing it first, which isn't a big deal in this particular instance and which I'm sure you'll correct in the future, you're in the clear. Good work, btw.--Xilinoc (talk) 14:59, August 8, 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congrats on the promotion, man, and welcome to the fold - you deserve it.--Xilinoc (talk) 20:17, August 8, 2020 (UTC)

Nayura Amakado's page
Hi! Sorry for interrupting - just wanted to ask if you guys ever considered adding a page about Nayura Amakado. She is a main character in "Beginning of the Revive of Tomorrow" and is later mentioned in both "Can't Fear Your Own World" and "We Do knot Always Love You" novels. Here's the page I worked up on my language's wiki as an example ~ Sccq98, 03:33, August 11, 2020 (UTC)

She is Central 46 member and head librarian of Daireishokairō. Her pictures are from "Beginning of the Revive of Tomorrow", you can find all of them here. And here is full fan translation of the story. Let me know if I could help anyhow :) Sccq98, 08:49, August 11, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Harribel colored manga
Well, I have the contents of every single colored volume downloaded as a series of image files on my laptop courtesy of the guy who sent me the TYBW volumes back in the day. I was planning to upload Harribel pfps once she started showing up in the chapters I'm rewriting the summaries and pages for, but I totally understand if you want them now since the anime's not really accurate to her design. If you find any suitable shots of her in the black-and-white manga I'd be happy to find their corresponding color versions in my volumes and upload them for an image gallery discussion, just let me know the chapter and page.--Xilinoc (talk) 15:03, October 10, 2020 (UTC)


 * Sure thing.--Xilinoc (talk) 15:31, October 10, 2020 (UTC)


 * Done, aside from the 376 option since it didn't stack up well compared to the other two Resurrección options you gave me - they'll all be up on the image gallery talk page in a second. Additionally, I'd like to thank you for reviving this - till now, the only colored image I've uploaded "out of order" has been File:475Ichigo's Bankai, Tensa Zangetsu.png because, well, the anime version sucks, full stop, and I didn't want that to be the representing image...but why stop there? The anime screwed up *many* character and power aspects, and now that we've got access to superior versions, those should take precedent, "order" be damned. Let me know if there's anything else in need of a preemptive manga overhaul, I'd be happy to help.--Xilinoc (talk) 15:52, October 10, 2020 (UTC)


 * I noticed you went and changed the Resurrección pic, which I believe is fine given the prior discussion, but I think the "masked" pic should be properly discussed since it's not a 1-to-1 perfect replacement.--Xilinoc (talk) 16:01, October 10, 2020 (UTC)


 * You might have been, but just to be safe I'd like to have a discussion for it in the archives to point to - people can get real tetchy about profile image replacements sometimes, especially when what's been replaced has been around for a while. But the Resurrección pic should be fine, she's facing forward and all that.--Xilinoc (talk) 16:09, October 10, 2020 (UTC)


 * Then just to be safe, I'll put the anime image back for her middle profile and add those to the discussion as well.--Xilinoc (talk) 16:37, October 10, 2020 (UTC)

Kuna's name
Hi! I've heard from Xilinoc that you have a copy of Can't Fear Your Own World's first volume in English. Some sources claims that Niko Kuna's name is mentioned somewhere in chapter 5. Could you please check it? I'd really appreciate your help. ~ Sccq98, 17:48, October 19, 2020 (UTC)

Editor updates
Hey, thanks for the help in fixing all the character templates - my editor was having loading problems so it was taking forever to get through them on my own. The guy who provided the code fix, Ursuul, is in the discord and is our direct liason to Staff/the one helping us with this massive coding change; he's been invaluable both in helping fix newly-created bugs and with reporting issues with the new editor and other visual stuff to Staff as they start bringing this new version up to speed, so if you encounter anything let him know and he'll do his best to set it right.--Xilinoc (talk) 15:57, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Re: Site makeup change
I think that infobox issue is sorted now with those edits? Im not seeing it anywhere. I'll put a post up somewhere for any issues to be brought up. 21:58, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

RE: Help with hiding sections
As mentioned here, the old  &   classes (which relied on now-broken JS) have to be replaced with the natively supported   &   classes, respectively.


 * S'no problem man 😛 Glad to help.

Re: CFYOW canon status
Amazing question, one I wish we didn't get the impetus for in the middle of this massive, broken coding update. I suppose the best place to do so would be Talk:Bleach: Can't Fear Your Own World since, as you said, the forums are gone and the discussions that replaced them are...not the best place for serious, sustained discussion. Put what you found up there, if you please - and if possible, I'd like to see what the original Japanese version of the book says on that page, primarily because if there's some sort of discrepancy between that and the Viz version (as unlikely as that may be in the modern age where Viz has improved their overall quality), we would go with the original Japanese credits.--Xilinoc (talk) 17:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Totally fair, I'd make the same decision in your shoes, but I just figured I should ask if it were readily available. Thanks for putting it up for discussion.--Xilinoc (talk) 18:51, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Re:Image request - Captain Rukia
Sure thing, here ya go.--Xilinoc (talk) 15:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone thought the logical conclusion of Ichigo's character was for him to settle down in the world of the dead as a military leader. Rukia, on the other hand, makes perfect sense for that.--Xilinoc (talk) 16:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Category:Antagonists
I'm sorry Timjer-senpai, I was just trying to inform readers about the antagonists of the work, creating a category just for the antagonists, it was not my intention to break the rules, this will not be repeated boss, but ... you agree with the category theme? Sorry I asked later

RE Edit Revert
Hey thar, sorry for delay, my health has been the greatest!! So I only reverted because it wasn't discussed because P&A stuff is usually tricky and newbies just overriding discussion and such blah blah, if you feel it is a fine edit, feel free to override me on that, it's ok. Holy hell, sick with a new system of editing, so weird. Hope you are well.

Vandal & Edit War
Thanks for dealing with those two users. Sorry I couldnt respond sooner but an (injury free) accident left me without internet and due to lockdown restrictions, nowhere that I can use their wifi is open for next two weeks! Am caught up with stuff now I think. 16:55, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Formato Png
The suppressed image was in png format, which is allowed but as you are so closed English speakers. if I put that the attack with which ulquiorra breaks the horn was Luz de la Luna and not Lanza Del Relampago,I already have a punishment,I repeat that my wall is available to clarify something or rectify on the subject to touch Anime International Project (talk) 19:03, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Shinken Hakkyoken
Hey, so I just saw that Shinken Hakkyōken was added back to Nanao's page as her Zanpakutō, and I didn't know it had been removed to begin with, so I was surprised to see you were the one to have done it in the first place a while back. Now, I'm not calling you out here - I trust your judgement on doing so - I'm just wondering what the reasoning there is, since it wasn't provided in the edit summary.--Xilinoc (talk) 04:08, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Ahhhh, I see. I figured that was approximately the reasoning but didn't want to presume. That said, it makes total sense to me, so you've got my support for it.--Xilinoc (talk) 10:47, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

RE: Reiatsu Gif
Hey dear!! Of course you can request a Gif, hell have a chennel on the Discord for any I can do. Now do you want just one gif of them all releasing their coloured pressure or a separate one for each??
 * It's on the relevant talk page buddy.

Re: Colored Getsuga image
Done.--Xilinoc (talk) 20:41, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Re: Colored Nelliel images
Child Nel, Cero Doble 1, 2, and 3, Nel Shower, Adult Nelliel profile (seems like you missed it in the request list, figured you'd want it), Adult Cero Doble 1, 2, and 3, Espada Nelliel, and Gamuza.

Man, thanks for this, it reminded me of how much I miss working on the manga side/aspect of the wiki - don't get me wrong, the Bount arc's been enjoyable, but even if it's the least canon-contradictory of Pierrot's work, it's still not on the level of Kubo's stuff. Can't wait to get back to the Arrancar arc.--Xilinoc (talk) 20:41, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Done and done.--Xilinoc (talk) 21:40, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Re:User:WifeBeater564:
Thanks. Think its been a few years since weve had one of them to deal with. Always told such folks to change their name and block them until they do, which they rarely do. Probably just a troll looking for a reaction. 23:39, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Re: Block lifted!
I saw man, congrats! Seems like it's for real, and I'm glad it got resolved as quickly as it did.--Xilinoc (talk) 23:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

about nanao's shikai
But has the shikai been developed by her or has it been given to her?Would you clarify it for me?Anime International Project (talk) 17:34, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

RE Vandal
Hey buddy. No problem I was walking passed and noticed it as was doing DIY. You can lift the protection as you see fit, we trust your judgement.

Re: Yammy colored manga
Sure thing, done.--Xilinoc (talk) 22:11, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Re: Kakyo page
Glad I could help, man, even with how delayed my project's been.--Xilinoc (talk) 01:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Re: Cnet alternative
Yeah, unfortunately he only started translating with chapter 283. What I've been using for chapters 1-282 is the official Viz translation, with the translators in the Discord helping clarify anything that seems off with the colored raws I've got, so you can do the same and I'll happily provide any raws you need.--Xilinoc (talk) 19:26, 25 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Glad to hear it - if there's any quote you find in scanlations but don't have access to the Viz version of, just let me know and I can add it for you. Also, added the Zanpakutō Technique style to the quotes template, knock yourself out.--Xilinoc (talk) 10:00, 26 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Done.--Xilinoc (talk) 17:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Sure thing. And, uh, sorry about the new skin making the templates look like crap spacing-wise - I'm gonna do my best to fix that in the coming days/weeks.--Xilinoc (talk) 22:34, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Vizeshini no Fushi
Hey, so I caught this and was told by someone else who read the newly-published third volume translated by Viz that they translated Hisagi's Bankai as...Kazeshini Kōjyō. Now, I've made no secret of how little regard I hold these novels and that Bankai in, but when it comes to the wiki I do my best to put those aside in favor of accuracy, and it's cool that we have Viz's interpretation of this name...but it seems like we should stick with the original Fushi no Kōjyō name of the Bankai. I know that might seem like it runs counter to using Viz's translation for the other aspects of the novels, namely the summaries and such, but we tend to default to the original version of something if Viz substantially changes the name and not just the translation; see Fornicaras for example. It seems like the original actual name IS Fushi no Kōjyō, going by the raw text and its appearances/pronunciations in Brave Souls. God only knows why Viz went with Kazeshini Kōjyō - I stopped trying to make heads or tails of their decisions after Opened Red Princess Neo - but what I'd suggest you do here is either put the Viz name in the |viz= part of the translation template on Hisagi's EU tab or in the Trivia section, whichever you think is more appropriate, and we'll keep using Fushi no Kōjyō to represent the Bankai on other pages. Does that all sound good?--Xilinoc (talk) 23:24, 26 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I had a feeling that was more or less the reason behind the change and honestly, I get it. Glad it's a simple enough fix though.--Xilinoc (talk) 18:07, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Re: Problem posting on Gold3263301's page
Posted your message and figured out what the problem was - even if it's not part of your message/edit, any page that contains the un-abbreviated name of the dead scanlation site MS either on its own or as part of a link triggers the new blacklist filter (added because of the piracy crackdown in Japan from a year or two ago) so you can't save an edit to it until the offending instances are removed in the process. Real stupid that that's how it works...but that's FANDOM, ey?--Xilinoc (talk) 07:45, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Additional Refrences
Hi I might be able to help with some of the references in relation to character's abilities. I have been rereading the The Thousand-Year Blood War arc and jotting down any notable references that may have been overlooked. If you need some relevant information I can help with references. I intend to look back on the Lost Substitute Soul Reaper Arc for the Fullbringers and other characters. I believe Orihime should have High spiritual power in ch 493 pg 9-10 Mila Rose stated that it would be troublesome if Quilge absorbed Orihime and Chad as they possessed strong reiatsu.Tuxedo12 (talk) 23:01, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Yylfordt skills
what I put in was thoroughly researched, page by page we know how the Hierro of the arrancar and the sonido is. I need to know why it is not viable.Korean Bleach (talk) 16:19, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Re: An idea - anime tabs
Oh yeah, I'm fine - I was just offline for a couple days because I was visiting my girlfriend down in LA, but now I'm back (and getting ready to resume editing since I finally got the text specs fixed under FD to look like Oasis again). As for this suggestion, this isn't the first time I've seen it made, but honestly I'm all for it given what we've been doing with the novel content, as you pointed out (though imo it would still serve well to, say, use a mix of anime and colored manga images for the manga-only pages, depending on what best serves the illustrated concept or event). That said, I'd like to get all the EU pages up to snuff before we start another alt-story tab project, especially one that would be so much bigger in scope.

Oh, and I can explain the double standard: simply put, this wiki was founded by people who largely preferred the anime over the manga or even only watched it without reading the source material - and that's a decent personal stance to have, but it unduly influenced how the information on the pages was presented, particularly in regards to things like eye/hair color and, of course, character actions/portrayals, stuff we've only just begun to fix and accurately represent over a decade later. And regarding the double standard specifically, well, that didn't really exist until you came along to address all the people clamoring for the information from CFYOW to be added to the wiki (but who, of course, would never put in the work themselves); not at all pinning blame on you or anything, what I mean is that before your novel project we simply didn't have that kind of content anywhere on the wiki outside of very short summaries on the specific light novel pages, mainly due to the lack of official or even competent translation to work with for the vast majority of them. Hence, pre-CFYOW, manga and anime info intermixing freely on character pages and the like was just "the way it was" - now, as you've pointed out, it's a consistency issue, and one that I'd be happy to untangle with more discussion on how to do it and, as mentioned before, with the EU tabs fully figured and fleshed out first.--Xilinoc (talk) 23:28, 25 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, don't worry about getting WDKALY and/or SAFWY stuff on those tabs until they get full translations, official or otherwise - I'd be happy to consider the EU tab project "done for now" when you're satisfied with the CFYOW presentation and information on all of them. Just give me a sign when you think you've hit that point, and we can start a discussion on this next project, which I'm excited to see pan out.--Xilinoc (talk) 17:27, 26 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I totally get that, both for the boring/repetitive nature of the workload and, well, a lot of people not being interested in sharing the load for the thing they claim is so important to be up-to-date on the wiki. I personally believe in starting and finishing one thing at a time when and where possible, but I also trust you to know your own limits and what works best for you in terms of avoiding burnout and maximizing productivity, so I'll leave it up to you.--Xilinoc (talk) 08:50, 27 July 2021 (UTC)