Forum:Ichigo Substitute Shinigami

I am just wondering, why is Ichigo still considered a Substitute Shinigami? Didn't Byakuya Kuchiki destroy Rukia's powers in him, thus making Ichigo use his own? Dracinking 16:58, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Im not sure where your at in the story but Ichigo isn't considered a substitute shinigami until after he saves Rukia and given the status by captain Ukitake before returning home. He is not a full shinigami in that he doesn't officially work for them (acting as more as an subordinate ally) nor is he truly ''dead" having a actual human body. Salubri (Talk)  17:06, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

He is still called Substitue Shinigami in the Captain Amagai Arc. Dracinking 17:11, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Yes and that will always continue to be the case. that is his ranking in soul society (hence he is human and only a shinigami some of the time, having not actually died and formally joined the gotei 13) the term is not referring to his species. As far as species he is not even a actual shinigami (having gained hollow powers) though it is used to describe him for lack of a better word, but actually a vizard as they have claimed him as such and so has he as well, but considering the term is only used by them no one else calls him that and most consider him a shinigami though commonly called a substitute amongst soul society. Salubri (Talk)  17:26, December 17, 2009 (UTC)