User talk:Salubri

Isshin & Locked Pages
As for Isshin - I've already removed one vote for him that as the user obviously didn't read the voting policy. I've left an oppose vote for him outlining some reasons why it shouldn't be the featured article. Hopefully that will discourage a few people, but I reckon that a lot of people that go there to vote don't pay attention to such things. They've already made up their mind and will vote for it regardless. I question whether appearing on one page and saying one short line is enough to have him on that vote list. He barely appeared and since the 31st is Wednesday, we won't get a new chapter this month. So that tiny appearance is all he has this month. I'll see about fixing up some of the problems with the article. -- Yyp (Talk) 11:46, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

I'll do a bit more on it later today. And I've taken him off the vote list. Speaking of locked pages, I noticed that the Zanpakutō and Espada pages are locked. Are you finished work on them or is there another reason they're still protected? -- Yyp (Talk) 14:53, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

I realize there is a lot of potential to mess something up with the new tables, but I don't think we should just leave it protected indefinitely. Maybe unlock it for a while and see how it goes. If there are problems, we can easily lock it again. Too bad we can't just lock sections of a page. -- Yyp (Talk) 15:46, March 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think we've resolved some of the issues we used to have with it, like Shinji/Aizen now being in illusion type. I'll add it to the Committee's list of high risk pages anyway. -- Yyp (Talk) 16:05, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

What about the fight pages?
Has there been any progress in that area? I know at the time you asked people not to touch them, has there been a change in that status? Weedefinition  (Talk)  00:49, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, OK. I'm a little out of touch, usually just busy doing my own thing, which why at the time I didn't even know about the fight pages being put on hold. It's good to know the project is advancing again. Weedefinition  (Talk)  07:58, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

IRC Chat Room: Yea or Nay?
What do you think about creating a chat room on IRC for discussions, questions, debates, and friendly banter? I'd love to discuss this topic in depth with you or anyone else that's interested. Please let me know what you think! ^_^

AnimeGeek7 01:33, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Re: Ichigo vs. Hollow Ichigo fights
Makes sense, what about assisted fights? Such as Ichigo Kurosaki & Hollow Ichigo vs. Muramasa? SerialSniper14 (Talk)  01:55, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Unapproved move
Gran Danku seems to have moved Muramasa's page without discussing it first (moved to Muramasa (spirit). I'm not sure what you'll do about it (I'm with you either way), but I really think we should have discussed it first. I left him a message warning him about that, but maybe you should look into the matter as well. Arrancar109 (Talk)  04:41, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

So, what do we do about the page itself? Should we move it back, or leave it as is? The reason I ask is because he only moved the article. He did not change any of the other pages that link to Muramasa, including the Zanpakuto Spirit template. Arrancar109 (Talk)  05:20, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Translation
Yeah, we should probably go ahead and do that with the translation notes if it's really getting that long. But we should probably leave a redirect for it as well. And I'll take a look at that RNC thing as well. Arrancar109 (Talk)  04:58, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

"Healer"
'I think Healer should be changed to Medical Specialist. It sounds and looks better. SharkEmpress101 05:38, March 26, 2010 (UTC)'

Re: Fight Summary Edits
Alright, thanks for your verification/explanation. I knew that the manga is the primary source for all articles but I was not sure how to go about things when a fight is added on by the anime. Also, thanks for telling me that we are going by the present tense (since I do believe that I may have put some parts of articles in the past tense). - Mr. N 23:50, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Also, may I have you check the Renji Abarai vs Yylfordt Granz page? If I am reading your explanation correctly, the details from the anime add-on should be put in the Reference section and not the Battle article of the Fight page...but I am not sure (so I did not move that segment yet). - Mr. N 00:11, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Fight nav
I didn't make anything. You were the one who made that nav back at the end of January according to the history. I just noticed that it wasn't added to the pages and they had blank nav sections instead so I figured I would add it. Sorry if I wasn't supposed to. The Shadow Dragon 04:54, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Yay
Great job! Congratulations! Tinni  (Talk)  07:19, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Open fight page for editing
Hi,

Please unlock Hitsugaya v Luppi for me,

Thanx! Weedefinition  (Talk)  09:19, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Ichigo v Renji & Byakuya
Hi, Salburi, sorry to bother you again.

It's just that at the time I wrote the summary for Ichigo Kurosaki vs. Renji Abarai & Byakuya Kuchiki. I think it was even before the battle project was initially put on hold, and I thought, since it's already written, why don't the committee take a look at it and move it to the complete list, as a sort of one time allowance. Weedefinition  (Talk)  13:37, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * You got a point about the referencing, but I'll take care of that (the article isn't locked, after all). As for everything else, well I guess it'll have to wait until the project catches up to the earlier fights. BTW, what's the schedule we're working by, in terms of firsts and lasts, I mean? Weedefinition   (Talk)  22:26, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Dvd section
I was thinking about starting a dvd section. The section would include details of both region 1(North America) and region 2(Japan) releases. The section would include dvd release dates, details about the standard edition, special edition, dvd boxsets(this really pertains more to region 1 releases) and movie dvds. Include details about each dvd like episodes included on disc, aspect ratios(episodes 1-167 the aspect ratio is 4:3(fullscreen) episodes 168+ is 16:9(widescreen)), special features(bleach behind the scenes is a good example), clean endings, cover art, audio tracks(for the tv series it is a linear pcm stereo track, for the movies it's both 5.1 surround sound and stereo) and much more!

Tell me if you think this is a good Idea? I also own season 1-3 boxsets and dubbed movies 1 and 2, so I could give you a lot of information on that.

Thank you for taking the time to read this, --Lemursrule 21:19, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time. If the other Admins are up to the challenge, I will gladly help contribute to the proposed section. --Lemursrule 21:33, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Deleted Votes
Yyp told me it is you who keeps deleting my votes for the featured article. He said you require a minumum of 5 edits per month to vote. I have made more than 5 edits. I have even done 5 different pages I believe. I have done about 3 or 4 grammar fixes on Rangiku's article alone. Why will you not let me vote?--Godisme (Talk)  23:16, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I acknowledged that it needed some work but I also mention that of the articles we could vote for, his was the best. Rangiku as I had mentioned has many many grammatical errors that will take a long time to fix. Wonderweiss is not that great an article. He falls pray to fandom and its just not a good article. I did not know that Ichigo's article was permanently closed. I do feel he has a good article though. There is vast amounts of info for Ichigo and I think his article has done a pretty good job of keeping up with it and organizing it. I read through and as I have said, I am a grammar corrector and I see few grammatical mistakes that jump out at me like other articles. As for my edits this month. I thought I had more but I now have enough to vote. I do not correct articles just to vote. I correct as I go. If I am reading an article and I see something that needs to be corrected I do. Yes, when my vote got deleted I made some corrections but it was not purely so I could vote. Believe it or not I do want to see quality information on this site presented in proper english. I get the sense you will not let me vote because you do not want me voting for Ichigo but I have stated my reasons and I honestly believe he has a good article. If you want me to reword my vote I will but I will not change what I article I think deserves to be featured.

One more thing a little off topic. Why is the vote constricted to characters who were recently featured. This is what causes it to be a popularity contest. If it was a vote for who you truly believed was the best article on this site I think you would see less of a popularity contest and more of what you want to see.--Godisme (Talk)  00:12, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

"Discussion closed tag"
I tried using that "Discussion closed" tag I've seen used on the talk pages here, over on the claymore.wikia site but the code did not render properly. What must I do to be able to use this tag in other wikis??


 * Thanks for the tip--Nkuzmik 22:58, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

List of zanpakuto page
what ever happened to that page, i cant find it anymore, i just wanna know if it got deleted User:Zangetsu20

Isshin's attack.
I tripled check the latest chapter and it appears that Isshin flicked his middle finger but it hit him on his own arm; this to me seems like Hado 1: Sho (wih 20 times the power to what we have seen); without any incantation or chant. Captain Brooks 23:00, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

The kido part I can agree with; but if you look closely it is obvious that his finger hits his own arm (as can be seen by the hair on his arm which no doubt is Isshin's); so I don't think that has anything to do with Immense strenght; but with Kido Master(y). Captain Brooks 23:27, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Blogs
I get the sense that you don't really like me so I will make this quick. The blogs are not harming the site. They are fun and are meant to be so. All the mass comments are doing is clogging your feed. So what? Would it not be simpler to disable blog posts from appearing in the feed than to take away our fun? Please allow us to continue--Godisme (Talk)  02:35, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

You continuously misquote me. That is why I said I dont think you like me very much. You obviously have no respect for me. I contribute to the wiki. I have many edits. I dont create pages like you do but I do grammar edits which this site needs. I never bad mouthed you. If you read anything I said you would know that I have no problem with you as long as you allow me to remain in peace. There is no rule against posting lots of comments on blogs. They are fun and should remain so. As I said, just make it so blogs do not show up in the feed. You have quite a few posts on the bankai blog so according to you you should be reprimanded. My point is this: we respect your wishes so you should respect ours. That is unless you see yourself as a totalitarian in which case I am gone--Godisme (Talk)  03:04, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Well if you had taken the time to ask, I cannot be constantly editing everything. Most days I make a few blog comments and some edits but today I did all blog comments as I am trying to relax as I have a huge exam tomorrow that will determine whether or not I pass a class in my major. I have been studying my ass off and came on here to have a little fun. I was planning on doing a major overhaul of the grammar on a few of my favorite pages after my exam tomorrow. As for the blogs, the only problem seems to be the clogging of your feed. I ask though, on this site is the feed truly necessary. I had never really payed attention to it until I started getting involved with the blogs. I will strike a deal with you as I seem to have a bit of say with the blogging community. I will try and ask everyone to limit the comments per day. In return I ask you allow us to continue with our fun--Godisme (Talk)  03:35, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Blog
Firstly Salubri, please dont talk down to me, lets try and keep this civil ok. Now i would like to state that i have not been bad-mouthing you, infact if you read my comments i have stated several times that i appreciate all the hard-work you have done on this wikia. Next, you say we should leave this site because its not meant for blogs and that our edits are cluttering your feed, well why dont you just edit your feed so you dont get messages about our blogs, that seems quite a fair and simple way to deal with that. Also i think the point of the blogs on this site are to allow conversations between users while allowing them to have equal access to factual info within the same site, honeslty what is said on the blogs has no effect on the content. Now to your final point, you seem to infer that there is a hierarchy in this wikia.... a sort of fascist regime if anything in which our worth as members is only calculated by how many contributions we can make. Well im sorry, but as ive said before if i see an article that needs fixed i will fix it, but honestly im a university student doing an honours degree in History and at the same time i work 2 part time jobs to pay my way though it, i simply dont have the time to trawl through every page looking for grammatical errors, but be assured if i randomly spot some i will fix them. Now im sorry if my dedication to editing this wikia is not good enough for you, but i do my best for the time i have and if you are going to fault me on that then thats your problem. As ive said repeatedly i very much appreciate what you and other admins do i and i dont want to appear to be slandering you or your efforts, but quite simply i hope you lay-off the little fun we have on the blogs, we prefer the blogs on this site, if you dont want them interrupting your news feed you can change your settings and i shall continue to edit as much as i can.GinIchimaru

Im sorry but the time it takes to write a small comment on a blog thread compared with the time taken to trawl through endless pages looking for something to fix is massive, and i resent your accusation that im constantly on the blogs, ive actually only started using them perhaps two days ago. Also im reletively new to contributing, though i have made contributions in the past. All i can say on the blogs is that there was a blogging section and i decided to use it..... and no i dont want to go to another site i like to both blog and if i get the chance read around pages on the wikia, i dont treat this at all like a social networking site. All in all Salubri i think your taking this abit too seriously, you state that you dont like seeing the blogs, but i know for a fact you can set it so as you dont "watch a page" and thus you wont get its updates. I honestly dont know why you are being so nasty about this when it really has no affect on the rest of the wikia, as godisme stated he is editing and im editing as much as i can, infact i may be editing more with me being on study break soon, but even at that i dont see why i should have my rights to be on this wikia removed simply because i am not editing as quickly and as vastly as you are. Also perhaps you'd get your point across abit easier if you didn't say everything in such an insulting tone, ive been corrected by Yyp before but he is never malicious or unreasonable in how he acts and instead is able to clearly and reasonably explain things, whereas you seem to be the opposite. Perhaps when the other admins see this they will support you but i honestly wont understand it if they do, if you are all in anyway human you will understand the benefits of interaction that comes from blogging on a small section of this wikia, after all this is a wikia devoted to an entertainment series, im sure at least part of this site should be devoted to actually enjoying it and having fun with it. GinIchimaru

chapter 398
the new Bleach manga chapter just came out.

sorry
I forgot to put my signature3599 05:25, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Totally Confused!!
You are the second person to tell me about the talk and forum pages. now i know what a forum is, that's a given! But based off what i've read on both the talk and forum pages most of the content are similar so my question to you is What's the difference between the Two? you can delete this when u are finished. thank you. Rahllo666 06:18, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Rangiku
Hi, yes Rangiku appeared on a couple of chapter covers. Here they are. Tinni  (Talk)  15:25, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Naming first arc
Well, there are names I encountered in this Wiki like 'Substitute Shinigami arc', 'Agent of the Shinigami arc' and the likes. But I'm guessing what's on your mind is a name for the conflict space in the template. I have to admit I was wondering what you intended to write there and I'm sorry to say I don't have an answer. But I'm a creative guy, and now that I'm on the case I promise I'll give it some more serious thought. Weedefinition  (Talk)  16:59, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hey. How do you like the name Defense of Karakura Town? I know it's not much, but I figured a bad suggestion is better than no suggestion at all. Weedefinition  (Talk)  01:18, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

I know, but it's the best I have so far. If I think of something better I'll let you know. Weedefinition  (Talk)  14:59, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Grammar
As of now, I am fine working by myself. It takes me about 15 minutes to completely overhaul all the grammar on a page (except Starrk who take like 25 because it was so bad). I will look around and see if anyone wants to do pages but it works best if one person does one article so you aren't messing with already done edits.

Blogs, Translation & IRC
IRC - I personally have no interest in it, but I'm not against using it if there was a desire for it in the community (though I don't see many people posting in that thread in support of it). I don't really know much about IRC, but looking at what I can find on the help pages and on wikipedia, if we used it, it would need proper security against attacks, as well as regular policing. I feel it would just be another distraction from admin work if one of us was doing that job, though I see AnimeGeek7 has volunteered for that task, but as a new user, (s)he is an unknown quantity. We'd need to know what the people policing it are like before giving them that authority, and we might need more than just him/her, depending how popular it proved to be. I guess it's a neutral vote from me on this.

Translation - good idea. Some of those discussions are taking over the talk pages. Centralize the discussions and place a direct link to the discussion on the talk page of whichever article is concerned, directing any comments back to that discussion. I support that.

Blogs - I have never taken much interest in the blogs, but I don't think we should just get rid of them. They were a nuisance today/last night, there is no denying that. I logged on this morning to find 140 blog posts that I had to thrall through to check for problems. That is a ridiculous waste of my time. But this is the first time that it has been an issue and hopefully a once off. I was wondering if we should consider appointing somebody that would be responsible for looking after the blogs, watching out for spoiler policy violations (was a problem this week & a month or so ago too) and general behaviour issues etc, basically to serve as a moderator. That would remove the need for us to be too concerned with the blogs. As for the issue of people bloging but not editing the wiki - I think we should encourage them to contribute to the wiki, help them get started with editing the articles if they need help. I've left Godisme & GinIchimaru messages pointing out where they can help out, and both of them are making an effort to contribute.

PS: sorry for the delay in getting back to you on these. -- Yyp (Talk) 23:13, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. -- Yyp (Talk) 09:11, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Poll
Can I have a look at the code? Tinni  (Talk)  06:22, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Can't figure it out. Help:Polls says to add div.ajax-poll { width:auto !important; } to the MediaWiki:Common.css, but it didn't seem to make a difference to that or to the default poll option when I tried it. I don't really know what I'm doing with that, so I've removed it in case it messes anything else up. -- Yyp (Talk) 09:11, April 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that lines needs to be put back for a start because otherwise the width change commands don't seem to have any effect at all. Leave it in for a day or two and if we still can't get the poll thing working, then we can take it out. Tinni   (Talk)  10:46, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Suggestions for Manual of Style - Powers and Abilities
I had made a few suggestions regarding the organization of Powers and Abilities in the Manual of Style's talk page, and I would like a more experienced view point, if it's not much trouble. MarqFJA 16:43, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Improvement Project
There's actually a bit of a problem with that as I have already started working on his page and I have added quite a bit of info to it. So is it okay if I just save the edits I made and then work on a different character or should I just not save them at all?TheDevilHand888 06:33, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Clearly you haven't read the project directive carefully. I know Rukia's and Ishida's pages are marked for overhaul. But we aren't overhauling the page. We are just expanding the plot section of the "Agent of the Shinigami Arc". All that means is that when you do get around to overhauling the article, said section will hopefully not require as much work as other sections. In addition, until the pages are overhauled, said plot section will have something more then it currently has. So I repeat, we are not overhauling the page. But strictly restricting our work to expanding the "Agent of the Shinigami Arc" plot section for both those articles. Tinni  (Talk)  06:43, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

There is nothing to explain. I removed the "marked for overhaul" articles because they were clogging up space. Since we weren't going to work on them, it doesn't matter to us one way or the other whether they are marked for overhaul or not. Only two articles that were marked for work by the project from the "marked for overhaul" pile were Rukia and Ishida's articles. Those got extremely narrow parameters assigned to them. I.e. only the "Agent of the Shinigami Arc" section. I didn't discuss anything with the admins because there was nothing to discuss. The project merely expanded to specifically work on problems that are already flagged on WikiStickies, stubs and is the kind of improvement that happen on and off everyday in the wiki. I.e. general improvement of articles by adding pictures, expanding what's written etc, etc. The project is merely focusing effort. Honestly, I just think you are entirely too hostile towards the project, as you were towards the Referencing project. If it makes you feel better go ahead and protect all the "marked for overhaul" pages. It just means that you, Yyp and Arrancar109 will have to do all the work. Which is fine by me. I was just trying to help. Tinni  (Talk)  07:19, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

No, what you just said, is that you would remove someone's work no matter how good it is during overhaul. Which is my point. Either you think that people who work on committee projects aren't any good and as such, we should just shut down all project now and save us trouble. Or the people who work on committee project are good, don't use speculative language, do reference properly and in that case no matter how much work they do, it is unlikely to disappear during overhaul. Tinni  (Talk)  14:49, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Then you should lock them because this is silly. The Agent of the Shinigami Arc of the Ishida and Rukia's pages have been in a woeful state for ages and according to you we should just leave it like that. Which is stupid. When are the admins going to get around to fixing them? This month? Next month? This year? In three years? All work in wiki can be deleted. It's a matter of when and why. Unless you plan on working on Ishida and Rukia's page soon, then I don't see how it is a waste of time to work on either when the work done can last months, years even before the admins get around to overhauling the article. Also, whether you intend it not, it does come across as if you have something person against this particular project. Tinni  (Talk)  15:39, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well I don't see you point of view at all. As far as I am concerned all you are doing is keeping multiple pages in poor condition for no good reason. But whatever! I am tired of his argument. If expanding the "Agent of the Shinigami Arc" plot section for Rukia and Ishida is such a big deal, they can stay the way they are. Not like we don't have plenty to work on as it is. Tinni  (Talk)  16:04, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Grammar
Currently it is me and GinIchimaru. One other volunteered but he has not gotten back to me and I have seen that he has not done anything. I will let you know if any others volunteer. Currently, Yyp has asked that we change the history sections on pages to past tense. I have gone through and begun changing verb tenses--<font color="black" face="Verdana">Godisme <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  19:52, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey Salubri, thanks very much for hyperlinking my edit! I honestly don't know how to do that, infact could you maybe tell me how to as it may save you having to do it in future. Thanks for any help! GinIchimaru

Rollback
Can the admins undo any rollbacks they think is unnecessary? I've come across a trivia edit I consider to be junk, and am not sure how easy it would be to correct if the rest of you didn't agree. TomServo101 20:48, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Basically, I'd just like to know if you can do that as a kind of safety net in case I make, in your opinion, a bad edit. It's primarily a) to make sure I don't get into trouble for using it for what you consider a good edit, and b) as, a side effect, I'd be more comfortable in actually using rollback. TomServo101 21:54, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Pages (Translation/Grammar)
Neat.

Thanks for the heads-up. A single place for such things could be helpful. I was never very good with pure, "perfect" grammar in school--I try to write literately in a way that flows well when I recite it in my thoughts, but I'm sure true gramm-masters XD could pick it to shreds. I suppose I'll see if Godisme and co. castigate me for anything :) . While I'm no expert in translation, either, any help I can render, I'll endeavor to provide. Doubtless, if we all had the time, we could scour nearly every page and cross-reference every name and find lots of areas that could do with some honing. Because we lack such time, though, I'll likely continue to await your posts to direct me to specific issues--as well as perusing this translation page for other questions. Adam Restling 04:08, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

They look good. The only issue I have with it is that shouldn't it be in the project namespace, instead of main? Yyp (Talk) 10:42, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ok. I'll put up a couple of wikistickies about it and I guess it could go on the news in the main page too, to get it some attention. Seems to be going well already. -- Yyp (Talk) 10:56, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Retitling
I hope you don't mind that I retitled the sections in the grammar corner. I felt that the first completed section was being used for pages that have only had partial completes done and the other was for ones that had had full workups. Considering that this is a wiki, I figured all pages need to be reviewed constantly for grammar as people add or change info all the time.--<font color="black" face="Verdana">Godisme <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  04:58, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry
I was thinking a little bit and I realized I had forgotten to apologize to you about the whole blog incident. I was really worked up that night as I had a giant exam the next day and I have some anger issues. I realized that I had apologized to Yyp but not you. Again, I would like to say sorry and tell you that will not be happening again.--<font color="black" face="Verdana">Godisme <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  05:20, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Unohana's shikai concerns
Hey Salubri, this is just a thought, while reading through Unohana's page, i notice in the description for her shikai, "When released in Shikai form, Minazuki will start to morph, turning into a green like gas substance before taking a solid shape of a" etc. Just wondering whether or not we should keep this as we haven't actually "seen" what happens when she calls Minazuki, just when it is in it's released state and when it is being sealed. Any thoughts? AuronValentine 10:25, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

thanks just checking :D AuronValentine 12:49, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hey, just wanted to give you a heads up.. a user called OGblack, deleted the whole Nnoitra Jiruga page. Devil hand fixed it, but ive seen the user add other things and i don't think he is a genuine contributor. Just wanted to let you know. GinIchimaru

Ichigo v GJ II aftermath
I'd bother Nwang with this, but he takes longer to reply.

Could you please take a look at Ichigo Kurosaki vs. Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez: Round Two and tell me if you don't think the aftermath part isn't getting a little bit overly lengthy. I'm considering doing a more summarized version of the conversation with Ukitake and Yama and of the school scene. Otherwise we're gonna wind up with an aftermath section three times the size of the battle, since it has to cover like three or four complete chapters, while the battle is a few pages here a few pages there. And that's only Ichigo's aftermath, when we get to GJ's we have to describe the entire healing/killing scene all over again. Weedefinition  (Talk)  22:25, April 6, 2010 (UTC)