Talk:Kaname Tōsen

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''Kaname Tosen Is a ex captain please add him on the ex captain list at the bottom of page, ty. (dont rly know ho wto do it Lol ''

KANAME IS MAD STRONG
Kaname is probably one of the strongest caracters, much more so than Ichigo(and before you cuss me out, heres the proof.) Kaname cut straight through grimmjows arm, right through his hierro, with his ''sealed sword. ONE THAT DOES NOT EVEN TRULY BELONG TO HIM...'' Ichigo could not even do this with his BANKAI. this looks pretty solid here. P.S. kaname is also hella skilled. hes blind but probably has some Daredevil sense, only "sees" with spiritual pressure instead of sound.

Although Ichigo was fighting Grimmjow's released form, therefore making his armor a lot stronger. Also since the previous owner of Tousen's Zanpakutou has died, it is no longer "soul-bound" therefore making it available to anyone as long as they are willing to make a "contract" with the Zanpakutou's soul. That is also why the Zanpakutou's abilities fit to Tousen's character. For example, his Bankai just happens to handicap people just like he was, canceling not only sight, but hearing, smell, spirit pressure sensing, to put Tousen at an advantage (which is the point of a Bankai).

Incorrect?
The article is stated as saying: "As shown in Episode 209, Kaname had his Bankai 101 years ago when he sneak attacked Kensei making him formerly one of the only two Seated Officers to have Bankai, the other is Ikkaku Madarame." Given that a shinigami must be capable of bankai to become a captain, isn't every officer promoted to captain capable of bankai (thus Kisuke Urahara when he takes the Captain Qualification Exam, for example, and with the exception of Kenpachi, of course)? Also, what about Renji? -- El jota 05:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think whoever typed that meant non-captain shinigami. While every captain (aside from Kenpachi Zaraki) can use bankai, just because a shinigami knows it doesn't mean it's a surefire way to pass the captain's proficiency test (hence the reason why Renji is not a captain). There are likely other details to the Captain's test besides just being able to use bankai (though, none are officially known), and the test has to be officially initiated. Renji probably hasn't officially taken the test, which is the reason why he is still Byakuya's lieutenant.Arrancar109 06:01, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No one knew about Kaname or (definitely) Aizen achieving their Bankai back then, let alone their actions involving the Missing Soul Incident. As for Renji, I just do not know, which is ironic when you look at my name. I'm pretty sure he's not promoted because

or *C: He has not taken the exam.--Renji Abarai 06:06, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A: He sucks at Kido, which is necessary to be a captain, excluding Kenpachi.
 * B: He wishes to surpass his captain, and becoming a captain would make them equals/complicate his training.


 * I'm not sure my point isn't being missed. Plenty of non-captain shinigami must be able to use bankai since it is a requisite for becoming a captain and the captains are replaced with some regularity throughout the series. I'm not questioning why someone like Renji is not captain, I am merely trying to state that it would be wrong to say that Ikkaku and Kaname are the only two officers to achieve bankai before/without being captains, since Renji (and Ichigo, for that matter, special case I'll grant you) can use bankai and Kaname goes on to become a captain. -- El jota 15:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Then what you should change is this: They [Ikkaku & Kaname] are the only two officers currently known to have achieved Bankai, without their division captain's knowledge.Renji Abarai 17:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Zanpakuto
It seems to me that, if you look at Suzumushi when it was in Tousen's un-named friends grave it did not have the ring on it, and all of his Swords abilities revolve around that ring. Could it be that the ring itself is Tousens zanpakuto and the sword is just a sword? Arieus 02:05, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Kroduz: As seen in his Bankai, I think only the ring is his zanpakuto, the sword acts only as a sub-weapon. His Shikai also came out from that ring. So I think SUZUMUSHI IS THE RING ATTACHED ON TO TOUSEN'S SWORD. Which means, THE RING IS THE ZANPAKUTO.


 * Well nothing of this sort has been confirmed so it should not be added to the article page. As far as he using someone else Zanpakuto is nothing more than a rumor. It has Never been stated in either the manga, the anime or any of the sourcebooks that he does not use his own Zanpakuto, it only has two Shikai commants that unlock different abilities WhiteStrike 04:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)