Forum:Soul society

Moved from talk page. Tinni 10:53, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Other incarnations of Soul Society
Does anyone else think that other incarnations of the soul society exists? I mean isn't it a little odd that everyone from the soul society is Japanese, or at least seems to be given their names(with rare exception-Soifon is the only one i can think of). I think there has to be different versions in other parts of the world, if i had any evidence it would be Yasutora Sado with his unique powers and said connection to Hueco Mundo. Not to mention the low number of Shinigami to police the entire world of spiritual entities. Or very few accounts of Shinigami activity has been given outside of the soul society or Japan.--mebadatbball

While I too find it kind of odd, Chojiro Sasakibe has been sent on missions to the west before (hence his appearance and habbits). Therefore, it would seen that SS's jurisdiction covers the whole world. TomServo101 10:44, November 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Like i said, very few accounts have been given of shinigami activity outside of Japan. And Chōjirō Sasakibe is the only person i can think of who even spoke of missions in the west.--mebadatbball

Chojiro Sasakibe probably was on a vacation to the west. he said it was a mission so he wouldn't need to explane his absence. there are probly many differnt types of Soul societys all over the world. there are way to many people in the world to all be able to fit in the little area we know as Soul society. Darkgoku 08:32, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

i always thought of it as three spheres one inside the other, one being the earth, one being the spirit world and the middle one being HM Fawcettp 09:08, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

an idea came up in my mind while reading this thread.. maybe after aizen, there will be battles between different soul societies .. we can see great war/epic action and captain-vs-captain or lieutenant-vs-lieutenant showdown. i don't know what story/plot would be and how will it progress...but hope to see a lot of new zanpakutos and see unohana fight and see yama-ji's, retsu's, shunsui's, joushiro's, yorouichi's, zaraki's and many others' bankais (i doubt they will be shown in the current arc). what do you think? maybe it's too unrealistic...--WinterFox 10:17, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Other Soul Society's. Wow. Out of all the fan fic I have seen this one takes the cake(Please don't take this as an insult cause its not. I respect (almost)everyones theories here, but this one is really out there.) Kaname Tosen is Black & has a japanese name. Zommari Leroux is also Black or Indian, i'm not sure which, & though Arrancar are generally referred to via Spanish translations I think his name is also Japanese(though I don't know for sure as i'm not an expert on Spanish or Japanese). In my opinion Yammy is Mexican, but he could also be Arab. I personally think Chojiro, Aizen, Starrk, & possibly Shunsui are white, this is my opinion & nothing more. For Black people & Mexican people it is fairly easy for us to spot them cause of their skin color. However Asian & White people are harder to tell as their skin color is the same. My point is Tosen appears to be 100% African descent, yet he has a Japanese name. So even if Mexican, Arab, Indian, & White people are also mixed in there, they will all have Japanese names.


 * As far as the other Soul Society's are concerned I think with a threat as large as Aizen they would have already gotten involved, so I personally think we can dismiss that possibility. Like all of u, this is just my opinion. Minato88 13:59, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Thats another thing, why are there so few people of a different skin color in the Soul Society? And why does almost everyone from the Soul Society have a Japanese name? And i'm not talking about the Arrancar from Hueco Mundo, the hollow are very diverse, and it is evident that many of them are from different cultures--mebadatbball

There is a whole lot of Soul Society never shown who knows who is where and why the situation is the way it is. Best guess is that in soul society the culture is predominately japanese. Alot of times the souls there do not reflect there living form and upon reincarnation into the human world they may not reflect their form in soul society. In reality there could be a wide number of people from other cultures throughout the world being sent to soul society and thus becoming subject to template of that world (edo era japan) though with a few exceptions. Even in the case that your a soul retaining that culture from your previous life your in the afterlife now so what would it matter. The fact is every culture has their interpretations of heaven and hell predominate to what they believe. The interoperation here is a japanese-eske interpretation just as heaven in Christianity is a largely european based and in islam is largely middle eastern based and so on. There was one african based character and one spanish based character in this series but noticeably most characters in most manga/anime series are largely japanese but look heavily caucasian. That no more makes any sense then the bases of the conversation does. Salubri (Talk)  07:19, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Soul Society being corrupt
I know people have been talking about this before, but doesn't it seem like the Soul Society is corrupt or messed up? I mean, they are so bent into the laws they can't even listen to reason and their first form of action is to kill someone or that a person is a traitor. Look at what happened with Rukia and Kusaka. They were going to be executed as if they were the greatest criminals of the Soul Society, all because one gave her powers to help someone and the other for having the same zanpkauto as another. Just my point, is the law really the law if it does more harm than good?--Moe1216 05:04, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Is it doing more harm though? Laws are made to protect everyone. There is a law for it so there must be a reason why its against the law to give a human shinigami powers regardless of the situation. The basic point is the kind of trouble someone with spiritual powers can do is not conducive to keeping balance which the shinigami do. There also must be a good reason for why two shinigami can't have the same zanpakuto. These laws dont exist for no reason they are important. As shown simply locking someone away is not always a great idea as eventually they will get freed and you'll have to deal with them all over again. So its not fair to say they are corrupt or messed up when your not looking from the point of view of serious issues that can arise from breaking these laws. Theres laws against allowing toddlers to handle guns and there are laws against possessing weapons of mass destruction or nuclear materials. If you get caught you may get thrown in jail for the rest of your life or get the death penalty. But the laws are there for a reason to protect others. Regardless of rukia's intentions she knew it was against the law, would she have been sentenced the same way, who knows it depends if the central 46 chambers were actually still calling the shots at that point. There is no good reasoning to defend breaking most of these laws if one is guilty of it. So the people who enforce them aren't any more wrong then those who enforce the laws of drinking in driving. The fact is the only harm is coming to those who break the law, which wouldnt have been the case had they not broken it. Salubri (Talk)  07:19, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

What Salibur said. It always amazes me that people are so ready to rage against Soul Society and the Gotei 13 for just enforcing the law. The laws of soul society are no more wrong then the laws of any society. Is the application of the law always justice? Well the friends and family of a person who is found guilty of a crime may not always agree but unless the law is inherently draconian, there is nothing wrong with it. Soul Societies laws are clearly not draconian and the judges make the best decision they can based on the information available to them. It is not different from how society functions in reality. I mean, notice that neither Rukia nor the Vizards and certainly not Urahara have anything against Soul Society. I am not sure what greater proof there is then the fact that the so called "victims" of Soul Societies laws are still ready to die defending the place. Tinni  (Talk)  08:13, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sekisekki fail?
I'm sorry, I have no idea where to put this, so I decided to put this here, since it only happened in Soul Society. The sekisekki walls of Seireitei stop the ability to stand on the air, right? So how come there are a whole number of instances in the anime or movies where people keep running through the air? examples: Ichigo vs. Byakuya- Ichigo keeps dodging Senbonzakura Kageyoshi's strikes in midair, seemingly pushing off of nothing, even though sekisekki should stop him from doing that; the final part of the Diamond-dust rebellion: Ichigo with Hollow mask flying through the air, again running on nothing and having no flying devices; ﻿part of Fade to Black- Shunsui and Jushiro are bounding through the air and cutting things to pieces; many other more minor mistakes. I think that no one pays attention much to that detail of sekisekki anymore. Does anyone else think otherwise, or have any theories on why this is? Aeron Solo (talk) 20:24, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

As far as the movies go, I say they toy around a little more with the facts, so don't be too concerened with those issues. As far as the Ichigo/Byakuya fight, I am just going to purely speculate. Since Uryu can take the spirit particles to form arrows, maybe Ichigo is doing the same somehow. Like he makes a wall of particles really quick and bounces off of them. This helps explains how he stays in the air so long and how others may do the same (I think Soifon and Yoruichi change direction in their fight in that arc as well). Just a speculation though, because I do remember reading somewhere that some of the hoho techniques are done by solidfying reishi(?) under their feet.Genbu noryb (talk) 01:36, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I know the movies stretch the facts quite a bit. And I get where you're coming from; I thought about that too. The thing is, nobody actually knows how shunpo works. People speculate, but its mechanics have never been specifically stated. I think you could be right, since Ichigo defies the laws of nature, supernatural or not. But we're all speculating. Then again, that's what talk pages are for =D. Thanks for your opinion!Aeron Solo (talk) 13:11, November 23, 2010 (UTC)