User blog comment:GinIchimaru/The Point of the Fullbringer Arc and how it relates to the next. Theory./@comment-44061-20120112022913/@comment-1774413-20120112033747

Ahh good to hear from you again Salubri, thanks for commenting!

-"This idea that Soul Society is unfair and all that is based on western point of view of fairness and democracy" Agreed, however this does not change the fact that several prominent characters within the series have noted that the Soul Society has at times been too rigid and at times blatantly wrong. Case in point Ukitake and Kyroaku's destruction of the sogyoku aginst the direct orders of the captain commander who was working on orders from the Central 46.

"The visored were never cast out or hunted down, they went into hiding, Soul Society suspected them dead, but under the circumstances they were turning into hollow what would you expect them to do but sentence them to death" If i remember correctly they escaped with urahara because it seemed likely they were going to be destroyed by the Soul Society. In any case sentencing several key memebers of the Gotei 13 who had countless time in service to immediate death seems like one of the over reactions of the tradition attitutde of the Soul Society... as was seen the visoreds turned out not to be a threat and were able to control themselves with the help of urahara alone.. Soul Society would not have given him the chance. Pragmatic for sure, but still rigid, i couldnt imagine the Soul Society as it is now carrying out the same order.

-"The second theory, Ichigo's involvement has not changed how things are done, it may have changed how others perceive him in particular" This statement is on some level false, the soul society is demonstrateably more empathic since its meeting with Ichigo, even in how the deal with the humans with abilities considering how they were treated during the invasion arc. Certainly the vast majority of the Soul Society hasnt changed in physical terms, but on some level its become more.. adaptable. When Ichigo is given his powers back, Toshiro Hitsugaya himself says of Yamamoto, (the old defender of soul society rules), that 'the commander of ages gone by wouldnt have made such a decision, do you know what changed him? it's you Kurosaki. That power that you've just accepted is the result of the change you brought about in the Soul Society' later he states ' when we came into contact with that substitute shinigami the soul society itself changed' Finally Rukia also states that 'just by that one ans unchanging resolve...everyones.. my own..one million years of the soul societys unwavering rigidity.. all of them were wiped clean'. Its clear then that these two characters have acknowledged that Ichigo himself has on some level changed the Soul Society as a whole, with rukia specifically mentioning the old rigidity and toshiro mentioning the change in Yamamoto. Many of your above points are fair and justified, this one is not.

- 'Evil or rules dont go together, rules exist for a reason its holds organizations and societies together. What evil? What do we have at all to make that case' Haha its kinda funny how much you sound like the Old Man Yama here. I agree that rules arent inherently evil or good, they are there to bring order. However what im saying is that sometimes rules have to be broken or can become outdated as i think has happened in Soul Society, when this happens and change is needed there is always those who refuse to progress or change from convention. Yet as ive shown even Yamamoto has embraced some change, even if he tries to justify it as a debt repaid this supposed 'tool' as youve said is someone he feels is owed something by the Soul Society and not just something to be used.

'Urahara knows about the spirit king and doesnt defend it because it doesn't need a defense it just is' I agree with this, whatever the Soul King is Urahara has accepted its neccesity. What i was referring to was how Urahara looks and how he mentions the soul king... his facial expression to me seems to be one thats disheartened. He accepts that Soul Society needs the Spirit King, he doesnt appear to be happy about it or supportive. but maybe that just my interpretation.

-'The fourth theory is blatant fan fiction at best,its a gross assumption to make the leap to stating a possibility based on no facts and therefore nothing you can claim remotely to actually happening' I'll admit that its quite a jump and does involve abit of filling in the gaps... but thats why i called this a theory and not a fact. I dont think many of my points are completely unfounded, certainly a few are subject to interpretation but i have tried to be as logical as possible and i have provided examples to back up my points (though as i said some may be subject to interpretation).

'We dont know the royal guards stand on anything. We dont know Isshin's past and even more so what it entails to make the jump of saying he is a royal guard member' Yes i understand, if we knew all about the Royal Guards i would not be making a theory/discussion blog about them at all.

'Kugo also isnt a grey area, he is just as wrong and crazy as Aizen, Gin and Tosen.' Well i would have to disagree, fact is we dont know what Kugo went nuts yet aside from feeling that he was being used by the Soul Society which he kind of was it seems, so neither side is particularly in the right, though admittedly Kugo did go over the edge. Also i wouldnt bring up Gin as a example against moral grey areas, the fact there is such discussion about whether he was a good guy or a bad guy in the fandom shows this. We've had the conversation many times about how he had good intentions yet still committed evil acts to further his own ends, he wasnt good nor entirely bad- grey area and there is no way of postively stating otherwise as its opinion now.