Forum:The Bleach "Who done it" mystery

Ok, Mr. Coyote Starrk has been stabbed. Question is by who. People known to be on the scene,

Gotei 13
 * Soifon - Armless and exhausted
 * Ukitake - Stabbed through the chest, last scene on the ground
 * Kyoraku - Cero at close range, appears to be fine based on interaction with Lisa
 * Yamamoto - Standing around looking all Captain-commandary
 * Komamura - Playing with his old friend Tosen
 * Hitsugaya - Playing with his new friend Hiyori and his old friend Harribel, being supervised by Lisa

Oh, there is also a bunch of vice-captains hanging about, most of them injured and none of them really with the capability to do what was done. Not even Madarame.

Vizards
 * Rose, Love - injured and in front of Starrk, although Rose does have a bendy whip with artistic abilities.
 * Hacchi - armless and some distance away from Starrk.
 * Mashiro - playing with her little friend Wonderweiss
 * Kensei - last seen supervising Mashiro and Wonderweiss's play date
 * Shinji - Last scene with Komamura and co, mostly just interested in beating his former Vice-captain to a bloody pulp
 * Lisa, Hiyori - playing with Harribel and the Chibi captain otherwise known as Hitsugaya

Arrancar Army - because bad guys can't be expected to be nice to their comrades
 * Aizen - last scene observing things with a smile on his face
 * Gin - last scene enjoying the carnage
 * Tosen - Playing with Komamura and filling Hisagi with doubt
 * Harribel - Dealing with children.
 * Wonderwiess - On a play date with Mashiro

People known to be in the vicinity from the anime episode 217 which were based on sketches done by Kubo in the volumes
 * Urahara Kisuke
 * Tessei

So, who do you think did it? My money is on Kyoraku Shunsui with a new wind based ability that doesn't cast a shadow and can't be sensed properly. Tinni 07:25, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

I know the chapter will be released soon, but who do you think stabbed Starrk. To me, it seems like Gin's Shikai.

It can't be Shunsui. The blade that pierced Starrk is too long to be Shunsui's zanpakutou. I place my bets on Gin. Only his blade could extend so far and strike so fast. Kaihedgie 07:43, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah probably Gin stabbed him.But looking at list kensei is doing nothing.It also might be a new reinforcement like kisuke,yoruichi or children's beloved fathers.User:Shaggi

I think it's a new ability from a protagonist, as oppose to Gin suddenly deciding to stab his supposed comrades. I will admit the picture makes it look very much like it's Shinsou's doing but the question is "why". All the answer to the "why" question I have heard have been from people who are working of pet theories and fanfiction in their heads that involves Aizen needed the espada dead to make the king key or something like that. There is not the smallest hint in the actual manga that Aizen can get the 100,000 souls he needs for the king key by killing/getting the Espada killed. So that theory doesn't wash with me and Gin is not about to switch sides for Love and Rose. So I don't think it's Gin, I think it's Kyoraku with a new skill or Urahara Kisuke's bankai which has been hinted at being "instant damage"/"hard to dodge". Tinni 08:22, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

The picture isn't clear at all. Then by saying he was stabbed by a sword is speculating even if it seems so. It looks like it is a sword to me though, but it could be a kido-like power. Black and dark, like a Getsuga Tensho (I didn't say it is a Getsuga). But if it is a sword, I would give my 2 cents on Ukitake or Shunsui, or why not on Sasakibe. The one who did it should be fast enough to deceive someone as Stark. But I have the curious feeling that it could be Wonderweiss, because it was shown nowhere that Mashiro still stood near him after she kicked his face.Ace of Spade 08:25, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Urahara kisuke using bankai would be improbable, Love and Rose didn't show their own bankai, meaning there are not in death danger yet. But who the hell could have the best reason to stab Stark from the back? Someone who knows him to not allow him to use his true power? Enemy or foe? By the way, where is Nanao Ise? Ace of Spade 08:43, September 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ise Nanao has been left in Soul Society to take care of the paperwork. Do you have any idea how much paperwork is involved in sanctioning the deployment of every captain and vice-captain level shinigami to the living world! Someone has to do the paperwork, why not the "desk work specialist" who is used to having to do all the paperwork because the captain decided to just leave it to her and go drinking :) Tinni 08:58, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

I believe this was done by Isshin or Ryuken since we know that they have the power to sneak up and destroy powerful hollows. 20:40, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Given the sahpe of it, it's not one from anyone we've seen in FKT thus far; personally, I suspect it's Kisuke's shikai. TomServo101 12:45, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

It was a dark sword sort of like tenza zangetsu but it didn't look very much like Kisuke's shikai and he's not the type to do something like that but Rose does have telekinesis when using his hollow mask and may have set a trap for stark even though that blast forced their masks off and they may have used a kido spell to catch stark off guard but that's very unlikely.--SalmanH 12:53, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is possible (well, perhaps I should say likely since anything can happen in this story) that it was the result of someone setting a trap. Nobody could have predicted where Starrk would land, or indeed that he even would set foot on solid ground at that moment. He spent most of the fight in mid-air. So rather than a trap, It is either somebody with a long weapon or unseen ability, imho. But who that might be, well, my guesses have already been mentioned, so no point repeating them. --Yyp 15:15, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

You know I was just reading back on my list of characters and where everybody is and I thought to myself, hell it could actually be Madarame Ikkaku's pole-arm in that picture. I mean, I excluded him because I figured that no way he can injure Espada #1 but if Maggie could shoot Mr. Burns, why not Madarame backstab Starrk. It's a real long shot but he did get that talking to from Iba about winning at all costs. So... maybe? Tinni 15:25, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Not sure that could be useful since mr.burns is like a 100 or something and so frail a bee can carry him 7 feet in the air and more so as a well as sinking under the weight of a sponge, but madarame would definitely not break the rule about joining in someone else s fight and would not under any circumstance hit someone from behind that in most cases is a cowards tactic he was also too injured to do so.--SalmanH 15:37, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Could it be Nanao? I mean after all Stark did take it to Capt Kyoraku and maybe she's P.O.'ed about it. If not I vote for Gin, just because I want him to get more involved in the story.--Ihaveaname 17:28, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

For some reason i think it is Ukitake. Maybe it is a special ability of his zanpakuto. Like inflict the same amount of damage on your enemy. Kinda like iron maiden for all of you who played diablo 2. Jordanbobordan88

Just a thought, maybe it could be Rose's whip extension, the flower tip changed its shape. It would fit the scenario of the story better than Gin stabbing Stark (I see no reason why Gin would attack)...Baronofash 00:29, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

It better not be Ichigo! I'm really tired of him popping in when the fight clearly isn't his.


 * Unlikely to be Ichigo since he currently still in Hueco Mundo along with his friends and four captains: Zaraki, Byakuya, Unohana, and Mayuri. Generally Ichigo doesn't fight anyone who he's never interacted with on some level; he's never met Starrk. The main Epsade whom Ichigo has had major interaction with are Uliquiorra and Grimmjow aside from the short fight with Yammy during his first visit to the living world. It likely to be someone who is already present at the scene probably not Yamamoto; while he has released his shikai, he hasn't yet been shown fighting any of the major antagonists aside from that Allon creature. The way the blade is depicted makes it really hard to tell whose it is.Spacedone 01:37, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Yamamoto is a leader figure, but I hate how he just watches from the sidelines. He obviously still has a considerable amount of stamina and energy (his agility is high up there) and is consistent in his abilities.


 * Yamamoto probably just wants all the youngsters to fight their own battles and for them to figure out how to defeat their opponents although he didn't complain when the vizards showed to battle with the menos and top three Espada.Spacedone 05:56, September 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * I figure Yamamoto is saving himself as a counter to Aizen. If he does manage to tire himself while Aizen's still fresh.. . Aizen'll tear through the Soul Reaper ranks and he knows it. ZeroSD 06:01, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

By thinking of it, what about the possibility that the one who did it to be Lylinette?
 * I just imagined that what we saw is not Stark stabbed from behind by a sword, but instead Stark splitting from inside into two different Starks like Coyote Stark + Lylinette Gingerback... Baronofash 05:30, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Well it's Monday where I am and the advance spoilers are usually out by Wednesday, so provided Kubo doesn't pull a cruel one on us and returns us to Heuco Mundo or switchs focus then it's just two more sleeps till the mystery is solved! I am actually really surprised at how many people think it's Gin who stabbed Starrk. People aren't sure about the reasons by they are pretty much convinced that's Gin's shikai. Althought even if it is Gin (and I do not believe it is), it does raise the question "How strong can Starrk possibly be if he can be done in so easily with a shikai". I mean, I know Hacchi defeated Barragan without shikai or bankai but Hacchi is all about kido and he used kido to turn Barragan's power back on him. So that doesn't really count. Anyway, we'll find out soon enough... hopefully. Tinni 07:08, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

In that case, how did Wonderboy Margera impale Ukitake without even using his zanpakuto? TomServo101 13:33, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Spoilers came out. It's NOT GIN. Tinni 14:11, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

It would have been better to just say 'spoiler's up, you can find out there'. Some will not be happy you've said it here. (I don't mind, personally) TomServo101 15:06, September 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Eh, I'll removes the name. Tinni 15:39, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

i say shunsui because he was insulted that somebody took his fightKensei24 00:09, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Thats a funny reason considering he not only didn't say that but its not his personality to be insulted by someone stepping in to take out someone he normally wouldn't care to fight. Where the person is on point the reasoning behind it is off base.Salubri 02:05, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

If it is really the one said in the spoiler, that means that his power was already released since a long time ago [] and could last a certain length of time Baronofash 04:16, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

i still say it was shunsui even if its not because he was insulted but because payback for the shot to the back Kensei24 23:06, September 15, 2009 (UTC)