Forum:Sōsuke Aizen (Volume 3)

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Aizen Is Gonna Keep Evolving?
I'm pretty sure when Ichigo fights Aizen in the next chapter for next week, Aizen is almost die again but keep coming back in a fourth and final form and Ichigo will be no match for him again...unless he either transforms into a Hollow form, use a ultimate attack or just depend on his allies for help again. I'm jsut saying this cause i'm pretty sure Aizen's curent form is not his last. BlackGhost91 (talk) 04:32, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know If I would go that far. If you pay attention to the latest chapter, it is pretty obvious that somehow more time has passed in the Dangai then Isshin planned. He himself had grown a full beard, and Ichigo seems to have aged by at least a year by the change in his hair, height, ect. He also seems to have advanced his physical strength enough to drag Aizen physically miles away in an instant. While just a bit earlier he was struggling against Gin who was burnt by Aizen's mere touch. I think that may be Aizens last form. But I also believe that he still have have a few attacks up his sleeve yet.

Of course Aizen won't die easily and I hope we will see his bankai very soon :DShaggi (talk) 12:39, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Another evolution would be possible, but he's going the Sephiroth route now. Instead fo keeping your normal, already powerful body...you keep evolving into something more and more...inhuman. Anyways, I won't make bets on it...I think this is his last evolution and we'll see a pretty long fight...OR a short one, which would be kind of a jip (everyone fights this guy and gives everything they got JUST for Ichigo to "end it in one blow"? I mean come on, a villian like this needs an epic showdown with the protagonist). TVthePunisher (talk) 15:45, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'm hoping that instead of more 'evolutionary' steps we see Aizen actually use what power he has to its fullest extent. Of course the same crticism applies to Ichigo...use what you have effectively instead of relying on sudden leaps of raw power that overwhelm opponents with a flick of the finger. Great Cthulhu (talk) 16:40, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

i'm betting on that aizen will finally have to use his bankai as a last resort. it may not be his most powerful technique after all these transformations but he'll probably have to use every thing he can against ichigo.Soul reaper magnum (talk) 03:12, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Why does Aizen want to empower someone who opposes him? It's just ... confusing. It doesn't seem to serve a role in the plot, except to copy Star Wars. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) contribs) 02:30, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Star Wars ???? Is ichigo gonna end up as being Darth Vader in the end ???? lol .. that would he hilarious... and esp if Aizen is like the Luke Skywalker... :D .. (probably will get my ass kicked by the mods for this comment) Kishen1912 (talk) 14:39, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Switch the roles. Aizen is the Emperor. Ichigo is Luke. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) contribs) 01:15, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

i don't think he is going to have any more after his 4th form, because in ch420 it said that was his final form, correct me if i am wrong. it al so came to my mind that he might not be able to bankai no more in that form, since who he said that he envolved a different path from deathgod, nor hollow,Ace (talk) 13:22, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Arrogant
I had to add something about how we tend to diminish Aizen's statements due to his arrogance. While I agree on general terms, that he mostly tends to misjudge other people's strength and claim random things because he oversteems himself, shouldn't we do the same as we did when Gin said Rangiku was dead? "Yes, we know Gin lies all the time, but he said she was dead, and we can't tell if he was lying or not, so until confirmed otherwise she'll stay dead" Shouldn't the same apply to Aizen? Yes, we know he's arrogant, but until proven otherwise, we should consider them as true. Something like that? I mean, we knew Gin was a liar, but we didn't dismiss what he first said about his Bankai because of it, yet later we discovered he was partially lying about it. I know late chapters have proven Aizen has no idea of what he's doing or talking about (happily), but we shouldn't just automatically dismiss all he says as an "arrogant claim". Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  01:15, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Yes and no, ideally we should do that but in this case I do not think we are going to get a clear saying of no he was not right. I think this is just so heavily implied that we should...(gasp) break our own policy on it. I know that it utterly insane but I really think this is one of those ultra rare cases that what we imply can be taken as fact. Lets see what others have to say though--God (Pray)  01:21, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

We shouldn't make any exceptions, even for Aizen. Saying that Aizen is wrong now because he's been wrong before is the same thing as saying that Gin always lies because he lied before. It's impossible right now to determine what is going on right now because the nature of both Ichigo and Aizen's power is a total mystery right now. We should just describe what we see, instead of speculating on whether or not Aizen is right or not. Our policy has always worked before, so I see no reason why we shouldn't follow it now. Mohrpheus (talk) 01:30, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's exactly what I mean. Even if it's Aizen, and in spite of the recent turn of events we shouldn't just speculate about the veracity of what he's saying, just like we didn't do it with Gin, but simply take it as he's stating facts until we're proved otherwise. We've always worked like that, we shouldn't make an exception just because Aizen's words might or might not be just his own arrogance speaking Lia Schiffer   (Talk)  01:49, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Actually I think the point is being missed. His arrogance is apparent and its not speculating whether or not he is wrong a simple read and knowing the facts are enough to determine whether he is just guessing or stating facts. It also can be used to determined that he is being fancy with the words. The point is from the material we have we are not saying he is always wrong, in all he hasn't be wrong till these last chapters. Making big statements don't make them correct. We went with what Gin said as the information provided leant in that direction. We have no proof that anything Aizen is saying is factual but we do know it is erroneous even by his own admission a guess. Aizen's actual ability or truth have commonly proven correct previous which isn't shown to be the case currently. This directly speaks to the actions and situations. Aizen's claims are not currently supported like his previous statements. Other then that this has nothing to do with the page content. --Salubri (Talk)  02:23, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

well, I understand aizen said that the hogyoku doesnt think he needs a zanpaktou, and then his zanpaktou vanishes. then kisuke sealed him. so do you think that means that we will never see his bankai?

Kuneho (talk) 04:29, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

i don't think that will be the last of him, something tell me he stilll alive because he only really got seal down not KILLED!!! but anyway even if his sword didn't break, how he said he evoled a different path from death god, i take it that he lost the power to bankai in exchange for his gdlike power.Ace (talk) 10:05, September 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. In fact my reaction when I read the spoilers was "Nice! Aizen is taken out of the plot but not destroyed, thus the stage is ripe for the return of Aizen and the hogyoku but probably not for another 100 chapters. Well played Kubo!" I totally expect to see Aizen back. It is clear Kubo is not done with him or, in the very least, wanted to have the option of bringing him back should he come-up with new stories for Aizen and now that Aizen is not grotesque any more, I don't mind him coming back. Yeah, I am shallow and I like my Shinigami pretty and not Death Note like. Tinni   (Talk)  10:50, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

I sort of agree with Lia on this. SORT OF. The thing we do need to remember here is that, however arrogant he may be, he is still really, really powerful. Aizen seems to me to be walking the fine line between fact and simply bragging about him being "the greatest", but there's a difference between maybe an exaggeration and a simply unfounded claim. You do have to admit, everything Aizen says in his stages of hogyoku-induced transformations does kind of have a measure of truth to them, though he is obviously so arrogant at this point that he doesn't realize the limits of his strength, or even that his strength has limits. So everything he says probably has a measure of truth to it, as he is telling the truth in his eyes, but there is definitely a limit to how truthful he is, not because he's lying, but just because his arrogance is probably distorting things in his eyes some.

I also agree with Tinni. Aizen was definitely the most complex villain we have ever seen. Seriously, everyone's seen a mad genius or a muscle man behind the evil. But Aizen introduced me to the idea that nothing is what it seems. He had so many faces; nice guy, to the Shinigami; benevolent ruler to the Arrancar; then there's Ichigo's statement about him. He mentioned something about Aizen might have wanted to be "just a shinigami", somewhere in his heart. That shows that despite everything he is, there is a fragment of humanity to him as well. Definitely complex. I was so disappointed when Ichigo let loose the Final Getsuga Tensho on him and ended the fight just like that, but when I realized he was only being sealed away I was like "Whoa, really?! That means he's gonna come back sometime!!"

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...but not anytime soon. Anyway, the one thing I'd really love to see is his Bankai; if Kyoka Suigetsu is such a cheapstake, then I shiver in anticipation of what his Bankai is like. I really hope Kubo goes over the Shinigami we know that can definitely use Bankai and goes through all their Bankais, not just some. Aeron Solo wuz here (talk) 13:11, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Evolution through Zanpakuto?!
Ichigo "evolved" with the help(or through) his zanpakto(Isshin maybe included in this hypothesis.)Erning the name or more accuratly the title(Which implies theres more types of swords with [getsu] in them.) Getsuga,(On a off-hand note Hollow Ichigo says "I am nobody" curios?)While Aizen needs the help of the orb of distortion to evolve; and it makes him look like a catipiller in evolution so could it be that the orb is making him more like his zanpakto's spirit Kyoka Suigetsu mixed with the process of Hollowfication in order to evolve? Even more ironic/weird is the fact that his zanpakto dissapeared when the Hōgyoku decided he wasn't worthy to be it's master,just like Ichigo's Zangetsu dissapering after using Mugetsu.(If Ichigo hollowfied wouldn't he be able to continuesly asorb reiastu to sustain his spiritual body?)Also Aizen after evolving continuesly disallusions himself ironic seeing how Kyoka Suigetsu's powers are illusions.Kyoka Suigetsu is a female spirit, I dont care of your opinions.

I don't know about that. I personally think that the evolution through the Hogyoku was just manifesting Aizen's "true form", if you know what I mean. The Hogyoku gives people a boost in the direction that they're capable of going; these forms were probably the manifestation of his own true self that he knew was there in his heart. There isn't really any indication that Kyoka Suigetsu was mixed in with this, although it could well be the case, since Kyoka Suigetsu is a manifestation of his own soul and heart.

Either way, the evolution Aizen is going through is unique in its own way. I don't think that many other characters will try and ascend the road to divine, really. We'll just have to wait and see another instance of this sort of thing. Aeron Solo wuz here (talk) 12:52, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Zanpaktou status
Should It be safe to assume that Aizen has no zanpaktou now since he discarded it. Enlighten me. superlogan7437 (talk) 04:24, February 16, 2011 (UTC) If I understand Aizen's dialogue correctly, it's not so much that he discarded it than him believing that the next step in his Hougyoku-induced evolution consists of his Zanpakutou abandoning its physical manifestation and merging completely with himself, in a similar manner to Ichigo's Final Getsugatenshou. MarqFJA (talk) 16:04, February 16, 2011 (UTC) We cannot really get into to much of this as what really happened was not certain. All we know is that after Ichigo used Mugetsu, Aizen's Zanpakuto began disappearing. Why this happened or the current status of such is not really known.--God Pray   16:30,2/16/2011