Talk:Zanpakutō

Durability add
Do we have enough information to create a new section on this page concerning the durability of a Zanpakuto. We have the explanation of how reparable a zanpakuto is when broken in its shikai and bankai states, and how a zanpakuto without love breaks easily.Kamikaze839 (talk) 00:33, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, the information presented in this most recent chapter was not sufficient enough to explain a concept so complicated. Saying something needs love is no better then saying "if you treat your car with love it will run better." We will wait until more informative info comes out, better explaining the issue. There is far to many complex questions that need to be answered about zanpakuto to simply take the most basic statement made in passing as if it explains all we need to know. In short that wasnt an explanation so much as the simple surface response of a deeper answer. Plus we know nothing about reforging or otherwise or how its possible to even create something thats supposed to be a reflection of ones soul and entirely unique to them.--

Yumichika
He's not dead yet, so why is his Bankai listed as Not Achieved?--Xilinoc (talk) 22:13, January 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Because he isn't gonna achieve it. We have to go with the most likely scenario, he was trying but its all but impossible according to him. The point being the potential and likelihood isnt there as it decreases the farther you get from the captains.--


 * I see. In that case, shouldn't Kenpachi's be listed as Not Achieved as well, for obvious reasons?--Xilinoc (talk) 04:39, January 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Kenpachi clearly has the level of Reiatsu needed for Bankai, so he has the potential if he ever learns the Zanpakutō's name!! Given he will be training, he obviously has more potential than Yuichika in this regard!!

To put an end to this, I changed it to Not Yet Achieved. It was a mistake that Yumichika was listed as Not Achieved and not Not Yet Achieved, it was not done intentionally. It is not our place to speculate who will and will not gain Bankai. Aside from that, Kubo stated that if he were to give Bankai to any of the lieutenant level fighters, it would be Yumichika, so he obviously has the potential.--


 * Not to be a nuisance but there are others who are listed as "Not Achieved" like Omaeda and Hisagi!! While I laugh at the thought of Omaeda with Bankai, you just did say it's not our place to say who will or will not achieve it so I assume those are a mistake too??

Mentioning Anime/Manga source

 * A Zanpakutō's shape and abilities are based on their Shinigami's soul. Once a Shinigami learns his/her sword's name, they are able to communicate with one another and grow stronger together. Zanpakutō are born with their Shinigami and they die along with their Shinigami. Shinigami use them in battle as a reflection of their heart. When released, they can display a vibrant power. They are one with the Shinigami, and they share a Shinigami's conviction.

I wonder if it should be mentioned that some information present on the page (such as that quoted above) is only mentioned in the Anime filler arcs or movies and thus may not be canon? Or if they can be sourced from the manga, the attributions should be substituted. This came to mind mainly because of the Zanpakutō Facts topic that seems to have a lot of conflicting points, not the least of which deals with Hyōrinmaru, which obviously could not have been born with or based on Hitsugaya's soul if it is shared between two different persons. --Junky (talk) 19:51, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * The above quote comes from manga information. Hyorinmaru was born with Hitsugya's soul. Diamond Dust Rebellion is not canon. Two people cannot share the same Zanpakuto.--
 * Thanks for clarifying that the quoted information was also mentioned in the manga, but my point still remains. It should be mentioned that "facts" like Hyōrinmaru's sharing effect are only presented in the movie. Otherwise, it just seems confusing as it's not that easy to remember what came from the manga and what came from the fillers/movies. The quoted information for example, is attributed to the Zanpakuto Unknown Tales filler arc, so I assumed that it may not be canon. --Junky (talk) 20:15, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Its actually quite easy, information from movies are not mentioned in the article, all info from movies/games/non canon novels are only seen in the appearance in other media sections. Also filler info that doesn't contradicte manga material is excepted and if only featured in that format it will commonly state that it only took place in anime. That above quote is a complete explanation of whats been stated in the manga and databooks multiple times, therefore it doesnt contradict information in the manga.--