Forum:Hollows and Bankai

Please feel free to move this to whichever thread you'd like, but I couldnt find the correct area to insert it.

Just a thought, and as always up for debate or purely crap...either way thought I'd say it. I've seen some discussion somewhere, usually relating to Tosen about Hollowification, Shinigamification and Bankai, Resurrection, etc. I would expect that each hollow, undergoing shinigamification anyway, does indeed have a bankai, or at the very least a chance like the shinigami to master Bankai. I say this because of a comment WAY back in the Anime, episode 59, when Hollow Ichigo takes over in the fight against Byakuya. He states (in the translation I watched) "I'll show you how to use Bankai." Or something to that effect, and almost each and everytime Ichigo summons his mask he has already attempted to win and usually fell short fighting with Bankai alone. Now, his hollows familiarity with Bankai and his ability to use all the techniques Ichigo uses, would tell me that he has known about them for some time.

I assume that given time to master/perfect their newly found shinigami powers, that the Espada could have eventually not only learned the name of their zanpaktou (possibly their resurrection) and then achieved Bankai. Assuming obviously that they dont have the device Ichigo used to acquire Bankai, and they definitely did not have 100+ years of training since they gained shinigami powers, or official training that the shinigami have at the academy, I would assume it's possible they could have achieved a shikai/bankai ability.

The also would most likely be true, that all shinigami that have undergone hollowification (Vizards, Ichigo, etc) would be able to achieve some level of resurrection. As the Espada all had mask fragments, and they had resurrection, no reason to believe that after obtaining a mask, a shinigami can't achieve a resurrection. Now, can these abilities (resurrection/bankai) be used simultaneously...I have no idea, we'll have to wait, probably for Shinji or Aizen (my guess anyway) to demonstrate.

As always please tell me I'm right, I'm wrong, what I made a mistake on, I follow Bleach closely...but I miss things like most people do. Orionradar 04:44, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

There is a number of holes in your "theory". Hollow Ichigo has stated he gained Bankai the same time as ichigo, while he does show better capability in fighting then Ichigo does it has nothing to do with bankai. Ichigo's lack of being able to win with bankai im comparison to those who have it (captains) and don't have a hollow mask, proves more or less he is not experienced enough to use zanpakuto powers alone. Which makes sense considering that bankai takes years to master even if one does possess it. Hence why Renji has only defeated one opponent with his to date though he has used it in every engagement sense acquiring it. The fact is how hollow ichigo knows how to use the abilities better then ichigo is largely unknown, but seeing that he and zangetsu share the same physical body in the inner world it maybe that he just has a deeper connection then ichigo and better instinct at fighting. Also Arrancar are not shown to possess any shinigami abilities, the process they go through only makes them more humanoid and gives them a sword to seal their true power in, they just call their weapon a zanpakuto, though in truth it really isn't. They by and large possess innately hollow powers and some variations of them. Having shikai and bankai would require having a zanpakuto spirit and seeing as that is not what they have they are incapable of either release. The names of their "zanpakuto" seems to be a reflection of their former hollow forms, powers, personalities. Seeing that resurreccion basically sword return it would stand to reason they already know the method to regain their former powers. They need not go through the same process as a shinigami who has to attune themselves to a individual spirit. Nor do they have a school of formal training to bring skills about that a shinigami would possess. While it is shown a Shinigami-Hollow Hybrid to possess shikai, bankai and resurreccion, as well as hollowfication. Whether or not Bankai and resurreccion can be used at the same time seems unlikely as detailed with ichigo only one being can be in control at a time either the inner hollow is being used as the primary power source or the zanpakuto spirit is (each acts as bring out a full power) though seeing as hybrid is the term used here both may be possible. In any case what has been shown is that the Shinigami-Hybrid is essentially far more powerful then an Arrancar (as an arrancar doesn't seem to be capable of all the abilities that the shinigami-hybrid is shown to possess, seemingly being more hollow and less versatile). Salubri (Talk)  05:32, January 2, 2010 (UTC)