Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner/Archive 4

Bankai Ice Clone
Unfortunately I do not have any of the corresponding pages, but this is just an open request that doesn't need to be rushed at all. Our current summary on Hitsugaya's ice clone ability states that he can only use the ability "once per activation of his Bankai," taken from the manga's translation of "I can only use this once" or something like that. However, the sub of the corresponding anime episode, and presumably other scans interpreted his statement as "this trick will only work once," more implying not that he can't use the technique again, but that he won't because Harribel wouldn't fall for it again. Whenever possible, could you guys confirm which translation/interpretation is correct? Mohrpheus (talk) 11:55, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

The line should be:

Konna damashiuchi ikkai tsukaenee kara hontou ha girigiri made tsukaitaku ha nakattan da kedo na

Since this kind of trick-attack isn't useful except once, I really hadn't wanted to be using it until the end.

So the implication does seem to be that Hitsugaya could use the technique again, but any other times Harribel would be onto the trick. I don't know how true that would be, since he still had the speed and stealth to assail her after he used it the first time and so would plausibly be able again, even if she did suspect, but whatever :).

Damashiuchi combines damashi (infinitive of damasu "trick, deceive, fool") + uchi (infinitive of utsu "strike, attack"--I think the same as, in imperative form ute, Harribel's release call). Ikkai tsukaenee, combining ikkai "one time, once" + tsukaenee "not be useful," dialectal of tsukaenai, negative of tsukaeru "be useful," would seem intended to mean "once (and then) not be useful." Girigiri "at the last moment, in the end; just barely" is apparently derived from onomatopoeia for the sound of grinding; compare English in the grind = "in the thick of, in dire straits" for similar meanings to "at the last moment" etc. Adam Restling (talk) 06:16, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

'B' Station track titles
If you guys ever have a chance, could you check out the 'B' Station Soundtrack section of the music article (Music) and translate some of the non-english portions of the track titles. There is a decent amount there so you could just do small amounts whenever you have a chance or something. Thanks. The Shadow Dragon (talk) 20:04, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

I just began the long task of this on the Talk:Music page, and will try to continue it in installments regularly. So far, I've done the first couple volumes of the first season. Adam Restling (talk) 05:46, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Purgatory Co, Mayuri's Magical Clinic and Kuchiki Manor
Thanks guys. The Seireitei article looks really good now. However, poor Purgatory Co is now the odd one out as it doesn't have the proper kanji. Can you guys see if you obtain the kanji from the above? Also, can you also see about the getting the kanji, romanji and translation for Mayuri's Magical Clinic? We should probably mention that Mayuri runs that from squad 12 barracks. Tinni  (Talk)  04:30, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

PS. I moved almost everything but the couple of discussions that were new or not addressed to the archive to get this page to a manageable size. If you looking for something and can't find it. Please try the archives. Tinni  (Talk)  04:30, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * "Purgatory" is 煉獄 (Rengoku). --Reikson (talk) 05:10, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks but I do need the full kanji, romanji and maybe lit translation. I also need the Kanji for the Kuchiki manor for the new Kuchiki Family Manor article. I have found a picture showing the kanji. Please see what you guys can do. Tinni  (Talk)  08:37, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to draw the applicable terms (i.e. ignoring some of the other written stuff) from the above pics; if I missed any, let me know:

Pic 1- "Charismatic Dr. Mayuri Kurotsuchi's Magical Clinic" (カリスマDr.[ドクター]涅マユリの マジカル☆クリニック Karisuma Dr.[Dokutā] Kurotsuchi Mayuri no Majikaru Kurinikku). I think the line at the top says something like "Farewell to yourself-up-until-yesterday" (昨日までの自分にさようなら··· Kinou made no jibun ni sayounara...), i.e. his demented, cosmetic-ad form of "say goodbye to the old you..." XD

Pic 2- "(The) Purgatory Company" (煉獄商会 Rengoku Shoukai) (thanks to Reikson for the first half). I can prob. do the other lines if desired (says something about the north of the Seireitei, Black Gate). Fun fact: rengoku is more lit. "forging prison"; ren means "refine, forge (as over a fire)," metaphoric it seems for cleansing and honing souls before they pass on. :)

Pic 3- "Kuchiki Manor" here is 朽木邸, prob. to be read as Kuchiki yashiki, though 邸 "manor, mansion" (said to have historically been used of the residences of daimyou) can also be read, esp. in compounds, as tei. Thus, I'm not sure (without furigana) which reading is preferred, but prob. it's the first one (yashiki). Adam Restling (talk) 05:29, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Adam! Tinni  (Talk)  06:56, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Kishi
Could you guys do the translation for Kishi (器子) for the Important Terms page? Thanks. The Shadow Dragon (talk) 23:32, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * An object that receives... a container? Adam, I'm stumped. Over to you. --Reikson (talk) 23:44, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Kishi seems to be the material/corporeal analog to the spiritual/ethereal reishi (at least in Urahara's usage), i.e. the former are the basic elements of flesh bodies and the latter are the basic elements of the bodies of spiritual beings like the Soul Reapers. 器 most often means "vessel, container" or "conduit, medium," while 子 "child" is often also used as just as noun suffix (similarly to English -ling, -let); thus, as I would translate reishi as "soullet(s)," I would translate kishi as maybe "holdlet(s)" (that is, small hold[ing]s or container[s]).

I wish I'd had more time to review the huge slew of entries that just got recently archived for proofreading purposes, but I guess their being archived means I missed my chance. Trying to translate the section on Troop 0 broke my brain. Adam Restling (talk) 05:35, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Troop 0? Links? You mean Squad 0, the Royal Guard? --Reikson (talk) 11:21, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe he is talking about the Royal Guard, I think it's something from MASKED. Also if you want to review them, I'm sure you could always just move them back from the archive if you want. I doubt anyone would mind (or you could just make a new section here for your comments on them). The Shadow Dragon (talk) 14:56, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Since Reishi seem to have been English-dubbed as "Spiritrons", a comparable translation of Kishi might be "Physitrons", or "Materi(tr)ons". Awkward, I know, but that's the best that I can come up with. MarqFJA (talk) 11:27, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I noticed it translated as Vessel Particles on another site, probably in contrast to Reishi being translated as Spirit Particles. The Shadow Dragon (talk) 14:12, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, yeah. The word "spiritron" makes me very sad XD. I bolded my suggestions above, and why, but whatever the consensus decides, I guess. Adam Restling (talk) 13:20, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Shakonmaku
I just noticed Shakonmaku (遮魂膜) on the Important Terms page doesn't have a translation. Could you guys check it out? Thanks. The Shadow Dragon (talk) 14:20, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it did, it was just in the definition beneath it. Something like Soul-Shielding Membrane. --Reikson (talk) 15:14, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

If those Kanji are correct, then Shakonmaku should = "soul-warding membrane"; while the Kanji 遮 does mean "cover, shield, protect" in Chinese, in Japanese it means "obstruct, ward (off), hinder, check." Thus, the membrane is used as a shield to ward off unwelcome, "vulgar" souls from the Seireitei. Adam Restling (talk) 13:40, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Final Getsuga
The Final Getsuga Tenshou entry in Ichigo's article only uses the kanji for Getsuga Tenshou, and yet erroneously translates them as "Final Moon Fang Heaven Piercer". Can someone confirm what kanji is being used for the "Final" portion of the new technique's name? MarqFJA (talk) 20:58, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Looks like "Final Getsuga Tenshou" is just 最後の月牙天衝 Saigo no Getsuga Tenshou, with saigo "end, finish" made into the adjective "final, ultimate" by being followed with the genitive particle no. Adam Restling (talk) 13:44, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Video game techniques
Could you guys do the translation for these video game techniques: Thanks! The Shadow Dragon (talk) 19:03, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * for Rukia Kuchiki's page
 * ,, and for Yasutora Sado's page.
 * Anken (暗剣) and Shunretsugeki (瞬烈撃) for Yoruichi Shihōin's page.


 * I believe Tsurarada is something like "Falling Icicle".
 * Kyōjin no Rengeki is something like "Furious Group of Giants" (?).
 * Majin no Kengeki is something like "Fist Strike of the Demon".
 * Anken is literally "Dark Sword".
 * Shunretsugeki is something like "Violent Flickering Strike". --Reikson (talk) 19:56, October 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Reikson's seem pretty good (if the Kanji are indeed correct in the above):


 * Tsurarada is "icicle descent"; da is used to mean "descend (to), lapse into, degenerate," but Kubo's been known to use it as though the ordinary word for "fall"


 * Kyoujin no Rengeki = "serial surge of the giant"; ren is usu. in the meaning "serial, link(ed)," while geki here means "surge, rise up, become excited or agitated"


 * Majin no Kengeki is "fist strike of the demon," and Anken "dark sword/blade"


 * Shunretsugeki is "flash(ing) fierce strike"; shun is "wink, flash," retsu "fierce, violent, vehement" Adam Restling (talk) 06:47, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Number One: Nadegiri
Right now we have the technique listed as Number One: Nadegiri (撫で斬り, "Clean Sweep" or "Killing Several with One Sword Sweep") on the Zanjutsu page which is a mix of English and Japanese with the kanji only for the Nadegiri part. Could you guys get the kanji and such for the Number One part? Thanks. The Shadow Dragon (talk) 21:51, October 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, see what you can make of the actual words in this clip, the name's mentioned at about 3 minutes into the clip itself. --Reikson (talk) 22:18, October 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * From the clip, the technique's Japanese name is Hitotsume: Nadegiri. Hitotsume (一つ目) literally translates into "number one" (ordinal) or "first". I'd suggest double-checking the kanji with the manga raws, however. MarqFJA (talk) 22:59, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

That actually means "one-eyed". --Reikson (talk) 23:02, October 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * No; hitotsume is indeed "first," a synonym for the more common daiichi. Hitsugaya uses it, along with futatsume, "second" in his discussion of the Menos. As for why 目 me which, as you pointed out, means "eye" is used in ordinal constructions, perhaps it came from some semantic elaboration, e.g. hitotsume "*one/single-eye*" > "having the look of one" > "of the one type" > "of the first type, first."


 * As for Nadegiri itself--if those Kanji are correct--then that's the same -nade that occurs in Saka nade , I think. If so, then it would seem to mean "stroke-kill'--i.e. a single stroke that deals death (semantic twin to English killing stroke). In total, then, Hitotsume : Nadegiri would = "(The) First : Killing Stroke." I can't recall, though: do we know that Hitotsume is some preface to the attack name--and so part of said name; or is it just a part of Yamamoto's statement, as in essentially saying "first (comes this attack,) Nadegiri" ? Adam Restling (talk) 03:09, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ikumi Unagiya and Kaoru Unagiya
Alright, as of Chapter 426, we have some new characters to deal with here. I'm not sure where to find RAWs, but we need kanji for Ikumi Unagiya, Kaoru Unagiya, and if possible, the Unagiya Shop, which Ikumi owns. Ikumi's full name is introduced in Chapter 426 on page 14. Kaoru is introduced in the same Chapter on page 16, and the shop's sign (which I'm not sure if it was originally in English or not) is on Page 13. Anyway, please help us with this as soon as you guys are able. Thanks a lot. Arrancar109 (Talk)  06:02, November 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I see someone already seems to have gotten the Kanji for Ikumi for her page. Kaoru seems to be 鰻屋馨 Unagiya Kaoru.


 * The new look of Wikia makes it a lot harder to zero in on new messages in the Corner if said messages are placed into already existing categories, rather than as new topics at the bottom of the page :(. Adam Restling (talk) 08:10, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Big Mouth
Hey :) I need a Kanji+Romanji check for this guy from episode 208. Many thanx in advance!! WD   Talk to me  13:59, September 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hiyori first says his name at about 11:52 into the episode. Hope it helps... WD   Talk to me  17:08, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's on his article now. 18:06, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

New names on chapter 428
Hi. We have the main new character (probably) of this arc, Kūgo Ginjō, whose name was revealed in page 20 of the chapter. There are two more characters whose names were revealed in pages 6 and 7 of the chapter. Thanks in advance for your work. WD  Converse  11:33, November 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * They are on their respective articles now. Riruka Dokugamine and Giriko Kutsuzawa. 18:06, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Xcution
Hi. Could you please tell me the katakana for Xcution? It appears in the last page of plot in 430 (which is either 19 or 20). It occurred to me that it might be originally in English, in which case it would be great if you could provide the proper katakana and romanji for the word. WD  Converse  15:42, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

It was rendered in romanized letters as XCUTION (エクスキューション Ekusukyūshon). Interestingly, the sound/letter x ("eks") is usually rendered by Japanese ekkusu (エックス), with the doubled-k. Either エクス in "XCUTION" is a goof to be resolved in a future chapter, or Kubo is using the variant to clue us in/indicate that he does means it to pronounced without the two first vowels or something, like maybe as [(EH)KSKYOO-shən]. Adam Restling (talk) 09:44, January 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. I'm gonna use this for now, please update this if there is any change. WD   Converse  23:03, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Fullbring
User:Kisukeiscool100396 has placed 完現術（フルブリング） as the kanji for fullbring. Can I get a check on that?--God (Pray)  22:32, January 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ju-Ni have the raw up on their site. 22:40, January 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * If that is the kanji, the translation I got was something like "Art of The End of Consciousness." Yeah, I know, not accurate; it's just a rough possibility... --Reikson (talk) 22:46, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, those Kanji seem correctji. ;)

The meaning of them in Fullbring (完現術 (フルブリング) Furuburingu) = "full manifest(ation) art"

完 "complete, full; (at an) end" (also appears in  Kan zen Saimin "Complete Hypnosis")

現 "manifest, appear; (be) real, actual, true" (also appears in the term  Gen se "the Manifest World", the way BLEACH describes the living world [taken from Buddhism])

術 "art, skill, technique" Adam Restling (talk) 15:12, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Question...
I know that it was decided that the Bakkōtō would be translated as "Fused Tapir Sword" or something like that, but... Even with what I know about the Baku (tapir) in Japanese folklore, the name doesn't sit right with me. Now, my question is if "paku" can become "baku" only through rendaku?

Because I got it in my head that the Bakkōtō kanji would be something like 魄爻刀, meaning "Soul-Fusing Sword," and given what little was revealed of them and whatnot, I...

I know, I know... wrong, wrong, wrong, I get it.

I just... I had to get this out of my head. Refute me at your leisure. --Reikson (talk) 20:47, January 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, the term Bakkōtō is just full of vexations for the translator XD. 爻 is apparently used as a stand-in/synonym for 交 "mix, converge", but is extremely rare and apparently is primarily used in Chinese to indicate Yijing hexagrams. To your question, many Chinese-derived Japanese readings have variants like p- : b-, k- : g- etc, so not all such readings require rendaku.


 * It seems clear, though, that the intended meaning of baku is not a goof for "po" but is the mystical animal and not the tapir named for it, just like we know that a Komodo dragon isn't a mythical dragon despite using the same term for both. If they'd meant, explicitly, for the meaning 魄, they would have used 魄... although that does not preclude the possibility that they liked the fact that they can sound alike. The Bakkōtō parasitically fuse with their wielders and also steal the power of opponents, right? So I guess that was enough of a connection to the baku's "dream-eating" for a fun using-of-the-baku-name.


 * But the name could then, theoretically, have several interpretations, the chief two of which I can think of are "baku-fused sword" (with the interpretation of 爻 as the stand-in for 交), OR something like "baku-marked sword" (with the understanding of 爻 as referring to talismanic sigils like the Chinese hexagrams). The Kanji 爻 is so rare, like I said, that which was the intended meaning is VERY tough to discern. Adam Restling (talk) 16:08, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yukio and Jackie
We need the kanji for Yukio, whose name was introduced in Chapter 434, Page 9, and Jackie, whose name was introduced in the same Chapter, Page 10. Thanks in advance. Arrancar109 (Talk)  19:35, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

The raw I currently have available me is pretty blurry for the first, but it looks like Yukio is 雪緒 (means "snow thread/cord"); Jackie appears (clearly in its case) in katakana as ジャッキー (Jakkī). Adam Restling (talk) 19:55, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Jackie Tristan
In Chapter 441, I think on page 18 (Mangastream had 2 pages outside of normal publication this time), Jackie's full name was revealed. We just need the kanji in her surname this time. Thanks in advance. Arrancar109 (Talk)  03:56, March 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's written in katakana as Torisutan (トリスタン) and remember: Kanji are the characters, and kana are the phonetic-like, simpler stuff. Adam Restling (talk) 23:13, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Infinite Slick
It just occurred to me that we do not have a literal translation of the ability's kanji.

無限の滑走

I can discern the general meaning of the kanji based on their individual meanings, but I really don't know how to put it into one phrase. Could somebody give it a shot? Mohrpheus  (Talk)  16:15, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

The Kanji mean "infinite glide" : 無限 mugen "infinite" ("no-limit"), made an adjective-modifying-the-next-word by genitive の no + 滑走 kassou "glide, volplane" ("glide-run"). Adam Restling (talk) 11:43, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Fullbring Names
This is more of an inquiry, but has there been any confirmation as to whether or not Fullbrings like Dollhouse and Time Tells No Lies have names in kanji, like a lot of the other non-Japanese terms in the series? If so, we could use translation templates on them like we do for the Arrancar Zanpakuto. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  20:43, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

They seem to be only in katakana so far (like Menos was originally), with Dollhouse (ドールハウス Dōruhausu) in ch. 435 and Time Tells No Lies (タイム · テルズ · ノー · ライズ Taimu Teruzu Nō Raizu) in ch. 436. Maybe Kubo will trick them out with Kanji later. Adam Restling (talk) 12:28, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

A little late, but could anybody get the katakana for Shukuro's Book of the End? Mohrpheus  (Talk)  14:46, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

ブーク· オフ· ザ· エンド, būku ofu za endo... Or, at least, that's what I think it is... --Reikson (talk) 18:19, March 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's written Bukku obu ji Endo (ブック · オブ · ジ · エンド). Adam Restling (talk) 00:00, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Question
Are these symbols (中央四十六室) the correct kanji for the Central 46 Compound? --Reikson (talk) 02:03, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, those seem to be correct: the Central 46 Chambers (中央四十六室 Chuuou Shijuuroku Shitsu) :). Adam Restling (talk) 14:08, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Also...
Also wondering about Ichigo's new Mugetsu technique. Only kanji I ever found for it is 無月, literally "No Moon". But with Kubo, it's rarely that simple. Thoughts? --Reikson (talk) 04:32, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell, with a little bit of research, it's more of a poetic term. The literal translation would be "nothing moon," but that's grammatically incorrect in terms of English. Mohrpheus (talk) 04:34, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind, found a RAW scan online that confirms it. The kanji for Ichigo's new Mugetsu technique is 無月. One of the Admins oughtta put that up at some point... --Reikson (talk) 04:36, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the translation for this would probably be something like "Nullifying Moon"... --Reikson (talk) 04:37, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * From all translations I have seen of it, it is being translated as moonless sky. While this is not the literal form of the kanji, I have seen it expressed as the poetic form--God (Pray)  05:09, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not disagreeing with you here. It's just that "Mugetsu" is the title of a technique most-likely designed with absolute eradication in mind. While the poetic "moonless night" is correct, I think that the appropriate translation here (not necessarily correct, mind you) would be "Nullifying Moon". --Reikson (talk) 05:29, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Well, as was said above, Mugetsu means simply "no moon" or "unmoon(ed)," making it easy to see how it could expand, poetically, to refer to the moonless sky or new moon etc. I think, therefore, it's best to use this, and not venture into risky conjecture with elaborations like "nullifying moon," even if context might make them seem attractive. Adam Restling (talk) 13:48, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to weigh in with: the simplest and closest meaning in English would be the "Dark of the Moon," which is the poetic "New Moon" -- the new moon when it is not yet seen, not a sliver. New Moon suggests the first sight of the Moon after its entry into that phase, i.e. as a sliver or partial/early waxing moon.

--AliMcJ 30 November 2010

Ghost Bust
We currently have the kanji for the show's full name (ぶらり霊場突撃の旅, Burari Reijou Totsugeki no Tabi) translated as Journey to Bust Ghosts on Hallowed Ground, which was the translation I used from one of the old Mangarain(?) releases. Is this translation accurate? Mohrpheus (talk) 18:34, September 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * What I got was something like Aimless Journey of Assaulting Sacred Ground. --Reikson (talk) 19:20, September 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * This is an odd sequence, since the onomatopoeic adverb burari "casually, aimlessly, unexpectedly" is placed at the front of a nominative phrase. Thus, going from the ordering, I'd've translated "Casual Soul Realm Assault Trip," or something; note that reijou "a hallow, hallowed/sacred ground" is more lit. "soul-place." But few may agree with me, since it's so different from the established trans; plus it sounds awkward (but, then, so does Kanonji XD). Adam Restling (talk) 17:13, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Ouch, three very different translations. Anyway, how about the translation for "Ghost Bust" (ぶら霊, Bura Tama)? It's supposed to be a shortened version of the full name, so maybe it'll give a clue as to which translation is best. Mohrpheus (talk) 17:21, September 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Basing it on this abbreviation, Bura Tama I would, I guess, render Cazh Soul, with *cazh* meant as a phonetic abbreviation of  cas ual (to match bura from burari), and soul because tama(shii) here is the native Japanese form of the Sino-Japanese word rei "soul" used in the fuller title. Adam Restling (talk) 06:21, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sanrei Glove
Could you translate the glove's kanji?(散霊手套, sanrei shutō) I'm getting something along the lines of "Spirit-Scattering Glove," but I'm still just experimenting at translating myself. Mohrpheus (talk) 23:46, September 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * That translation is correct. In order, the four kanji translate into "scatter, disperse", "spirit(ual)", "hand", and "covering". And yes, 散霊 does translate to "spirit-scattering", rather than "scattering spirit"; it might seem a counterintuitive word order, but it's a special quirk of the Japanese language that you will find with many, mostly feudal/Meiji-era words and martial arts terms (compare Zanpakutou, Zantetsuken [from Lupin III and Final Fantasy series], and Zanmaken [from Love Hina and Mahou Sensei Negima], in which the "zan" kanji means "cut"). MarqFJA (talk) 12:37, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Like Marq said. In fact, I think that 散 "scatter, disperse," when read chiru appears (in imperative form) as chire," Senbonzakura's release call. As for the "counterintuitive" order of the sememes, Japanese shares this normal-way order vs. exotic-way order interchange with English e.g. we may have weed-killer instead of *kills-weed, but we also have passer-by instead of *by-passer, too. Adam Restling (talk) 17:19, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Question
Looked over the Senjū Kōten Taihō kanji again, and noticed that the last symbol is the same as the last symbol for Shakkahō and Raikōhō. So, why exactly isn't Senjū Kōten Taihō called Thousand-Hand Bright-Sky-Culling Cannon?

For that matter, why isn't Shakkahō translated as Red Fire Cannon? --Reikson (talk) 05:24, October 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * To be clear, this is just renewed curiosity. --Reikson (talk) 05:25, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Actually (according to the Kanji we have), if you look closely, the -hou in Senjuu Kouten Tai hou  (千手皎天汰炮) is "burn, roast, sear" 炮 (made up of the radical for "fire" 火 + "wrap, bundle, conceal" 包), while in Shakka hou  (赤火砲) it's 砲 "gun, cannon, battery" (made up of "stone" 石 + 包--prob. reflecting the fact that it was originally a catapult that "fired" stones/rocks). While it seems that these are interchangeable in Chinese for use to mean "gun, cannon," in Japanese they are generally distinguished into the meanings I cited before, and again above.

However, it does seem that--once again, if the Kanji we have are correct--that the -hou in Raikou hou  (雷吼炮) IS 炮 "sear," so that part should be changed if so. Adam Restling (talk) 07:33, October 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * 'Kay, gotcha there, but... let's see. For... 炮 (made up of the radical for "fire" 火 + "wrap, bundle, conceal" 包), I don't know... between what you just told me, and this half-baked idea in my head... why not "pulse", as in "energy burst/pulse"? Or is that just out and out wrong? --Reikson (talk) 08:23, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well, to get the most accurate translation of Kanji etc. I use my Japanese-keyed resources, which help identify the Japanese meanings instead of just the broad Chinese meanings, which are the ones furnished by Wikipedia and many other sources. That is the where I got the data that 炮 in Japanese means "burn, roast, sear."

It's important, though, to note that when dealing with Chinese words, you're dealing with two elements: 1. the word itself, and 2. the way that was selected to write that word (i.e. the Hanzi/Kanji). The two frequently have little or nothing to do with one another, though, etymologically.

Let me offer an example. Say that English speakers adapted a writing system similar to Chinese, using symbols for words. Then let's say that the symbol for the word "love" was a picture of two hands holding, offering, a "♥". Thus, the word "love" would be written to express it as a metaphoric "offering of one's heart."

However, despite being so-written, the origin of the word "love" itself and its spelling/pronunciation has nothing to do with "two," "hands" or "heart." Most (reputable) scholars agree that love goes back ultimately to the Proto-Indo-European root *leubh- "care, love, desire"; with love being an abstract concept (i.e. we can't just use a picture of it as a symbol like we could, say, with a "tiger"), we had to express it with a metaphoric symbol whose elements are unrelated to the actual origin of the word they write.

Such a case is often found in the Chinese or Chinese-derived Hanzi/Kanji, which can not only add a third element to the above two--the often wholly unrelated native (Japanese) term the Kanji has been adopted to also write--but is also subject to alterations over the centuries and millennia, e.g. older 僊 "one ascended, deific sage, Taoist immortal/god" sees its original element "ascend" replaced with 山 "mountain" to give 仙 once such beings were popularly folklorized into being mountain hermits. This could've lead to extra confusion as to its origin if we had lost knowledge of the original 僊. There are some cases wherein the radicals used in the symbol can shed light on the underlying word's etymology and/or sound--or at least these things from when it was first anciently created--but basing meaning of the underlying word(s) purely or almost-exclusively on only the symbol that writes said word(s) is usually erroneous and misleading.

If 包 is the original element in the Kanji of the above Kidou (and not an altered element), then perhaps its meaning "bundle, bale" (verb) also lent > "bundle, bale" (noun), and came to be applied to the projectile bales of ancient catapults. Then, perhaps, the other radicals were added to distinguish them from 包, as well as from each other, because maybe some bales were of stones (石 + 包 > 砲) and some of bales set on fire (火 + 包 > 炮). However, they were both essentially catapults > modern guns, cannons, so Chinese doesn't much distinguish them in usage. So maybe Japanese, keeping 砲 as "gun, cannon, artillery," reanalyzed 炮 for another use: "a bundle (包) e.g. of food put into a fire (火)" > "cook, roast, sear." Maybe... but I'm no expert on the vast histories of all these things, so I can only guess here :). All I know is that in Japanese usage, 炮 does seem to equal "roast, sear." Adam Restling (talk) 10:02, October 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, I concede to your superior knowledge. --Reikson (talk) 12:47, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Conflicting translation of Rukia Statement
While checking info on Renji's article, I noticed that there is a difference between the scanned manga version (by MangaRain) and the anime sub. Can you please verify if Rukia was saying that the enormous reiatsu belonged to Renji or to the unknown person (Byakuya). 20:30, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

I'm almost 100% sure it's Renji. Rukia uses a very aggravating-to-me (XD) rhetorical element in her speech, monoka, which is glossed as "used to create a rhetorical question where the speaker actually believes the opposite is true"--apparently like saying, "it seems like ~... but that'd be just crazy, right...?"

So she says something like:

Impossible... Until now, it wasn't clear who that extremely-great (one) was, but... now... that vanished reiatsu, without a doubt... Renji's--!

It would make sense, too; having been around her brother, Rukia should recognize his [Byakuya's] power. She doesn't recognize Renji's at first because, during his secret training with Ichigo to attain Bankai, his power has become far more colossal than she's ever previously known him capable of. Adam Restling (talk) 21:54, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Isshin Division Symbol
In the latest episode, Isshin's division symbol on his Haori is seen. It resembles the 11th division symbol but is a bit skewed. Any chance one of you can figure out if it means something else or if it is just a botched division symbol?--God (Pray)  22:08, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

I found a different scene with a bettern view. I don't think it's 11. Is this a kanji or just an X?
 * A little creativity in interpreting what I'm seeing, but it could probably be the symbols for 11. Probably entertaining the fanon idea that Isshin used to be a Kenpachi at one time in his past... --Reikson (talk) 22:18, January 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * If it is a kanji, it's not one that I've ever seen... --Reikson (talk) 23:30, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

It looks like it's just 父, which means... "father".

Damn you, filler tease!!! XD Adam Restling (talk) 16:13, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Karakura South Primary School
I need a check on something (although it sounds pretty solid - I wouldn't wanna have to move it later). According to chapter 8 page 7 the name of the school Ichigo's sisters go to before the time lapse is called Karakura South Primary School. If you can tell me the kanji/romanji too, that would be swell. WD  Converse  21:04, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

The Kanji are 空座南小学校 Karakura Minami Shōgakkō. 小学校, more lit. "small school", can be translated with any of these mostly synonymous "primary", "elementary" OR "grade school" renderings; if "primary" is already established, then keeping the current "Karakura South Primary School" is all good :). Adam Restling (talk) 22:05, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Important Terms from Chapter 70
Hi, sorry to bother you guys with another thing but I need this to refurbish the Human page. I need a check and an explanation on several terms: Reishihenkankon and Ketsugō(ou)fu, page 7; Reishihenkanki and Kishi (an antithesis of Reishi), page 8. As always, many thanks in advance. WD  Converse  20:04, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Reishi Henkanki (never -kon, which doesn't seem to appear; LOTS of mistakes in those olden Manga Rain days) = 霊子変換機 "reishi convertor" (more lit. "reishi conversion machine")

Ketsugōfu = 結合符 "binding seal(s)/charm(s)" seem to be the ofuda-looking things which, according to Urahara, "cover and bind" (ootte koteishite arimasu) the structure of the gate

For kishi, see here :). Adam Restling (talk) 19:32, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks for that. I have one more favor to ask you (for now). I'm want to add the kanji and romanji of Human. (seems redundant, I know, but there's a certain format I want to keep. According to wiktionary that's 人間=ningen. Could you please tell me if that's correct? WD   Converse  12:22, January 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, 人間 ningen seems to be the one BLEACH uses, too. :) Adam Restling (talk) 21:04, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

MASKED
For some semblance of order, I am putting all masked related stuff in this section. Tinni  (Talk)  05:59, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Nnoitra's last name
OK, so a new user changed all the "Jiruga" in the article to "Gilga". As reference he left this address:. If you look at the bottom right corner you can just make out the name Nnoitra Gilga. I also posted this in his discussion page with a circle around the relevant area. It appears to be a scan from some official Bleach source and doesn't seem photoshopped to my untrained eye. WD  Talk to me  19:14, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hot damn!!! Sorry for the effusive enthusiasm, but they just announced the pending release (in August) of the long awaited new BLEACH character book, Masked, which will finally (I *hope*) give us official spellings of the Arrancar by covering them and the Visored!! This looks to feature the cover of the new guidebook, and could that be a sneak peek of the *true* spelling of Nnoitra's surname? Too soon to be sure, but this jazzes me up something fierce :) ! Finally, dare I to hope, shall we get the official romanizations? Adam Restling (talk) 23:28, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Komamura: Shikai
Sajin Komamura's shikai command is given as 轟け in Masked. When I checked, the first kanji on its own means roar, but the second means something else, so can I please get confirmation that it is accurate. Thanks, 10:27, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * The two symbols translate as Todoroke; the second symbol depicts an imperative inflection, essentially a command. In this case, the phrase Komamura uses to activate his shikai is a command to Tenken to roar.
 * Just, literally, "Roar!" --Reikson (talk) 12:46, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clearing that up. 12:54, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Didn't Komamura's article have "Todoroke" as the Shikai command long ago before it was removed due to lack of official basis? Coincidence? Or is Kubo trolling our forums? XD MarqFJA (talk) 13:28, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, back then we only knew it came from a game, and our policy states we can't use that as canon material, especially since some games have inaccurate portrayal of the manga-canon characters. Arrancar109 (Talk)  17:01, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Hado #73
According to User:Urie12, this page from masked says that Soren Sokatsui is Hado #73 and not 63 which would finally put this debate to rest. Can you confirm this?--God (Pray)  21:14, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

The kanji preceding Souren Soukatsui in the Kidou list depicted in the image provided clearly says "Hadou no Nanajuusan", which is literally "Seventy-Third of the Way of Destruction". I believe this evidence that Kubo has made another retcon, in the same vein as he did with Proyectil Azul (now Ola Azul). MarqFJA (talk) 21:56, August 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll make the change then. 22:04, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

MASKED Databook: New Characters
I realize that this is a lot of work, but can we please get details (particularly confirmation on the spelling of names) on these new characters revealed in the new character book Masked. Also, please see Bleach Wiki:Masked Project and Bleach Wiki talk:Masked Project for an awful lot of name change issues caused by the databook (look at your own risk). 22:32, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Forgive any errors for this prelim:

Love's VC was Jinemon Kotsubaki (小椿刃右衛門 Kotsubaki Jinemon) (I think intimated as Sentarou's father/relative???); this one is weird since it seems like it's missing a furigana.

The graph 衛, usu. read ei, means "protection," and seems to be combined with the preceding 右 "right-hand; help, save (? < "offer the right hand") to reinforce this sense (just as in Iba's first name, Tetsuzaemon). However, found the answer: the sequence (右)衛門 -emon itself seems clearly inspired by names like that of the famous Japanese folk hero Goemon Ishikawa.

Rose's VC was Chikane Iba (射場千鉄 Iba Chikane) (Tetsuzaemon's crabby mother???; the same element tetsu, kane "iron, strong" appears in both!)

The previous Kenpachi was Kiganjou (鬼厳城); his former name was Gosuke (五助)

Ginrei's VC was Soujun Kuchiki (朽木蒼純 Kuchiki Soujun) (his son[-in-law]???/Byakuya's father???)

Unohana's VC was (as expected) Seinosuke Yamada (Hanatarou's elder brother/father???)

Yoruichi's VC was Marenoshin Oomaeda (大前田希ノ進 Oomaeda Marenoshin) (Oomaeda's father???)

Kanji to follow when I have more time (read: after someone beats my pathetic ass to doing it :( XD). And forgive my ignorance of other data books, which may already have mentioned these characters, thus making look like a dupe for not having heard of them ;). Adam Restling (talk) 03:52, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Adam, about Kotsubaki... I ran into something like this before; the two kanji symbols with the furigana directly above the space in-between the two of them is supposed to indicate that the pronunciation is supposed to read as Jinemon, but when it's written with kanji, Jinemon's name has... four (?) symbols in it. --Reikson (talk) 04:06, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, 'tis a rare sight to see that much of a gap :). EDIT: Okay, I found out why; it's after Goemon Ishikawa (see above). Adam Restling (talk) 01:36, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Bleach Masked scans
Here is some scans from that new Bleach databook. Of course I have no idea what they say. Hisagi9 00:53, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

More Bleach Masked Scans
Here is two more pages from the new Masked book, though I'm not sure if there is anything new about the Zero Division. I still wonder what they say. Hisagi9 (talk) 18:20, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I did the one for Troop 13:

Juushirou Ukitake

current: same

"Well... this place certainly is so like you."

Troop #13 organization chart

past/present

captain: Juushirou Ukitake

vice-captain: vacant

Juushirou Ukitake who, together with Kyouraku, was the first of the graduates of the "Shinou Reijutsuin" ("true-center soul-technique school") founded by All-captain Yamamoto to be inaugurated as a captain. Formerly he bound his long hair, although only so it was like to a single bundle. His vice-captaincy is a vacant post. Ukitake and those around him support a superior seated officer, Kaien Shiba...

While drinking tea on the veranda, Ukitake prods Kaien concerning his desire to be vice-captain. Though he continues to be refused, Ukitake doesn't give up.

Hopefully that's all pretty correct, and I didn't make any true flubs. The quote from Ukitake signifies that the place/location is "so like [the person he's talking to] (to choose)." It re-iterates how he and Kyouraku were the first graduates of Yamamoto's school to become captains. The prodding of Kaien by Ukitake re: vice-captain" would seem to just mean "about Kaien's desire to remain a vice-captain and not be promoted to captain. Adam Restling (talk) 18:06, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Troop 0 coming soon! Adam Restling (talk) 18:06, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Troop 0 stuff doesn't seem to be all that enlightening, either. Mostly it seemed to retread what we already know: they're associated with the royal family; members are promoted out of the Court Guard into it; it's a "specially-tasked/elite corps/unit (tokumu butai)"; the captain and vice-captain of it are wholly unknown (at present). Adam Restling (talk) 04:54, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Kubo's comments on new characters
I uploaded the two pages from Kubo's interview in which he comments on the new characters. It would be a great if we could get a general gist of what Kubo is saying for their profiles. Thanks. Tinni  (Talk)  17:44, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Menos Grande
I was wondering if you guys could compare what is stated in the Menos Grande page (pic above) and compare it with the Unnamed Hollow (Chapter 184)A & Unnamed Hollow (Chapter 184)B pages. I'm curious if it confirms this character to be an Arrancar or not and also if it indicates whether it is one character with two bodies or two separate entities. Thanks, 21:27, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be anything about either one of these Hollows being a Arrancar, not even a pseudo-Arrancar. The text does seem to note that these particular "Menos Grande" do differ from the usu. "black-formed" Menos Grande (i.e. the pointy-nosed, lumbering Gillian we all know and love) but, nevertheless, they and the standard-appearance Menos Grande/Gillian are apparently one in the same "race." It does also cite something to the effect that these Menos Grande are unique in that their true form is actually the two such Hollows united.

Maybe the reason for this "differing form" is that these are examples of Gillian who retained enough of an intellect that (if Ryuuken hadn't slain them) they could've further evolved up through the Menos ranks--note how the chapter "Historia de Pantera y su Sombras" (I think it was) showed that these higher-intellect Gillian can look quite different from their bestial brethren; but any such conjecture (at least with what their page here tells us) is pure speculation at this point. Adam Restling (talk) 05:08, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that, 22:37, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Interview
Will Kubo's interview from the character Book-Masked ever get an official translation? From what I tried to translate. Kubo was asked about the previous 10th Div Captain from TBTP. Kubo reveal the he/she is alive(person's name is blocked out) and his whereabouts(This info was blocked out). The name of the previous candidate for 10th div captain before Toushiro Hitsugaya was mentioned(person's name is blocked out).

Urie12 (talk) 23:24, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

This has been translated on a number of different forums on the internet. There is truly no point in us translating it, because it doesn't provide any information that can be added to the site - we're an encyclopedia, after all. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  23:27, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Guess Characters In Bleach: Hell (Inferno)?
Was wondering can you guys translate this?

Soulreaper1234 (talk) 09:41, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

The only thing I was able to read out from this (because I know zero Japanese, I was just searching for Kanji and copy-pasting them in Wikipedia lol) was that the guy in the infobox on the top (I'm guessing he's the seiyuu for the guy with white hair) is Kazuya Nakai who alzo voiced One Piece's Zoro. The one in the bottom (seiyuu for the guy with purple hair?) is Toru Furuya, who also voiced Yamcha in Dragon Ball. As I said, I don't read Kanji, so that's all the information I can make out from it. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  05:06, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry; I've gotten backed-up on some of the more lengthy (and for me difficult) trans. things, but hopefully can do more soon. Adam Restling (talk) 18:59, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Hell Chapter to The Hell Verse
At the end of the new trailer on the official site, it shows that the english title of the 4th movie is Bleach: The Hell Verse instead of Bleach: Hell Chapter, and Ichigo's voice actor says the name as Hell Verse. Should we change the current articles containing the name to match the new english name for it? I posted this on the movies talk page and God said I should post it here.CJett92 (talk) 22:52, October 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hell Verse is a promotional book for the movie. The film is still called Hell Chapter. 22:15, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Guess Characters In Bleach: Hell (Inferno)?
Was wondering can you guys translate this?

Soulreaper1234 (talk) 09:41, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

The only thing I was able to read out from this (because I know zero Japanese, I was just searching for Kanji and copy-pasting them in Wikipedia lol) was that the guy in the infobox on the top (I'm guessing he's the seiyuu for the guy with white hair) is Kazuya Nakai who alzo voiced One Piece's Zoro. The one in the bottom (seiyuu for the guy with purple hair?) is Toru Furuya, who also voiced Yamcha in Dragon Ball. As I said, I don't read Kanji, so that's all the information I can make out from it. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  05:06, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry; I've gotten backed-up on some of the more lengthy (and for me difficult) trans. things, but hopefully can do more soon. Adam Restling (talk) 18:59, October 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Check out some of me *finally* playing catch-up re: The Hell Arc here XD.
 * Concerning something about episode 299
 * Concerning something about episode 299

Apparently, the bad guys of this saga are collectively known as Togabito, which are apparently translated as Sinner. Here's the thing; when I looked up "Sinner" and its kanji, I got this; 罪人. --Reikson (talk) 21:36, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, those kanji can be read as "zainin" or "tsumibito," both of which translate as "sinner." However, from what I've found, the kanji used for Togabito is 咎人, but according to Tangorin these are read as "toganin," and translate as "offender" or "criminal." I'm not exactly sure how the same kanji behave when paired differently, so I'm pretty confused. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  22:06, November 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, 人 can be read as "hito" and slurred to "bito" when used as part of a compound word. But you're right, the behavior is very unusual. But there's technically nothing wrong with the word or the pronunciation. --Reikson (talk) 23:27, November 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Mohrpheus is correct in that the Kanji of togabito are actually 咎人 "offender, culprit, criminal" (more lit. "fault/blame-one/person") and not 罪人 "sinner"--you can see this in the Japanese of the picture above (under the "Guess Characters In Bleach: Hell (Inferno)?" heading) at the end of the first line of data on the first character. While "crime," "fault," "blame" and "sin" are easy to interchange, toga is usu. associated more with the first three, and tsumi / zai more with the last.


 * As Reikson stated, a suffixal -hito can become voiced to -bito via rendaku. Note that hito is the native Japanese reading of 人, while -nin, -jin are the readings of 人 derived, via borrowing, from (older) Chinese --prob. from or from a source akin to Late Middle Chinese. As for why the movie switched more usu. -nin for its native equivalent of -bito, maybe it was merely a bid to distinguish these special prisoners (of Hell) from the common usage of just "prisoner" in general; i.e. when people hear toganin, they think normal captives, but hearing togabito will help them note that it refers to BLEACH criminals of Hell. Adam Restling (talk) 07:22, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * OMG I nearly forgotten about this but thanks all who went to troubles finding the english translation for this poster!!! Soulreaper1234 <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 11px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; ">(talk) 18:56, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * OMG I nearly forgotten about this but thanks all who went to troubles finding the english translation for this poster!!! Soulreaper1234 <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 11px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; ">(talk) 18:56, February 19, 2011 (UTC)