Talk:Katen Kyōkotsu (Zanpakutō spirit)

Profile Picture
The old profile picture is rather poor due to the lighting. It couldn't be helped though, as she only appeared for a moment. But she has now appeared in episode 245. I took a screencap of her and am replacing the old pic with that shot. If she appears in any upcoming episodes and someone gets a better picture of her, then post it here and we'll decide which one to use for her page. --Yyp 13:47, November 11, 2009 (UTC)



Second Half
There's also the second one that looks like a ninja, anyone have it? Tman7776 03:14, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

I grabbed a picture, but just a mug. If that's fine with everyone, I'll go ahead and add it. (Or someone else can.)

Question: are we sure the ninja half is also female? S/he doesn't have any noticeable breasts. Twocents 05:50, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Looks female to me. Anyway, I think it would be best if we could manage to get a shot of the two of them together for the profile picture. Hopefully the next episode or two will give us a good shot of them. I've added a couple more shots of the first body. If we don't get a decent one of the two together, we may have to use one of those. But hopefully it wont come to that. --Yyp 13:10, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

I added a shot of Katen Kyokotsu's second half (uploaded by User:KatenKyokotsu) in the Character Outline section. Though, if possible, if they're shown together at one point, that can either be their profile image, or we can do mugshots of both, and put full-body pics of them in the Character Outline section. Arrancar109 19:07, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

I don't know why she uploaded an essentially identical image to the one I had already uploaded yesterday. I'm going to delete hers, because it lacks the fair value information and it's been oddly stretched vertically, and I'll replace it with the image I had already uploaded, since we're generally in agreement that it'll suffice for the time being.

If we want to do mug shots, though, I generally like Yyp's shot a, though shot b is also fine, if everyone else prefers that. Twocents 19:46, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

I am fairly certain the second half is male. Tinni 12:35, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

I think that the 2nd half uses Kageoni to appear behind Shunsui at the end. Can I add this? TomServo101 13:47, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Kyoraku did not step on his shadow. The room was dark enough to not cast shadows. The second half seems to have risen from on of the pools of water that surrounded Kyoraku. In fact, I had a quick look at the segment in question and the second half does appear to be rising from one of the pools, not the shadows. Tinni 14:02, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Just added a full body picture of the second half xXUlquehXx 19:02, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Got a pic of the two of them together. It's a bit dark, but that couldn't be helped with the lighting in the episode. --Yyp 12:36, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Like I said, they have a weird habit of fighting in the dark. Sometime later today, I'll see what I can do. Anyone else who wants to change it to that can go ahead. Arrancar109 14:19, November 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've cropped it and put it up. -- Yyp  (Talk)  14:51, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the argument is still going on, but the second half is surely a female. Her voice while being incinerated by Ryuujin Jakka confirms it. And I think the picture with both of them together is the best so far. If we can just get a higher-res. For the individuals, we could use the separate shots. But for the second half, I think we should replace it. Not only is it small, the head is distorted, you know. I think the head-shot during the part that Kyouraku analyzes the two's powers fits the best. Oh, and apparently they were both destroyed, so I'm disappointed to know that we won't be seeing anything interesting about them, at least for a long while. I really like the second half. :Starshade 15:13, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Character Outline
In the character outline, it says that Katen Kyokotsu left Kyoraku because of his dull nature. I got a different translation. In a sub I got, she said she left because of his decadent nature. This seems more towards Kyoraku's personality.--Shinitenshi 07:40, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * That's what my sub says too. Would be nice if someone who speaks Japanese could come clarify but decadent is more Kyoraku then dull. Tinni 07:44, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Katana and Wakizashi?
I remember at one point Kyoraku referred to the tall woman as the katana and the shorter girl as the wakizashi. He also said that the katana is in a defensive state while the wakizashi was attacking. In this case, the tall woman was standing still, and the short girl was attacking. Should we point out that the tall woman is the katana and the short girl is the wakizashi? --Gold3263301 22:32, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

As well-endowed as the top 3 ladies
Every time I look at the current article image, I can't help but think that the taller half's bust is as big as that of Matsumoto, Harribel and Kuukaku, especially with all the revealed cleavage. Shouldn't that be noted in the appearance section, as is with the other three? MarqFJA 19:33, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Unimportant and bordering on speculation. Tinni  (Talk)  02:29, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

I fail to see how it is "unimportant" ("low-importance" I could accept; "unimportant" is basicallly "zero importance", however) and "bordering on speculation" when 1. The fact that Harribel and Kuukaku's bust size is "impressively" large, while not mentioned at all in-series, is not contended outside of it. 2. Katen Kyōkotsu's considerably low neckline leaves little to imagination on the size of her breasts, which are clearly filling what would normally be a baggy kimono in the same way Matsumoto's own does (in fact, the aforementioned low neckline is practically identical to the latter's). MarqFJA 15:51, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'll have to agree. Maggosh 16:35, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

It is bordering on speculation because you compared it to that of Matsumoto, Harribel and Kuukaku. We don't know their bra sizes and therefore the comparison is invalid. It is unimportant because no one has commented on it in-anime. Matsumoto is the only person the mention of whose breasts is of any importance because... well it is a big part of who she is. Everybody else is incidental because some editor choose to put it in and since the description was factually accurate we didn't remove it. Tinni  (Talk)  16:53, March 2, 2010 (UTC)