User talk:Tinni/Archive 1

Gin Ichimaru
Hey Tinni. I know Gin is one of u'or fav characters so I have a request for u. Earlier today while overhauling some pages & found that Gin has no quotes, not a single on. Do u think u can get a couple good ones on his page? Thank u & it would make his page better. Minato88 21:14, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

I read u'or quotes & they were really goo, I knew u were the right person to ask. Also thanks for Ibas page. I'm still trying to learn all the things about pics. Fortunately I learned the correct way to add an image to a Template Infobox while I was playing around, so i'm happy about that. Minato88 00:08, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Episode in English
Thanks for that. They're not normally out before I go to bed. Cheers. --Yyp 01:32, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Volume A Week Club
Hey I just got a chance to read over your volume a week club and i must say its a great thing you set out to do. So in light of that i have proposition for you I wanted to create something more concrete for you on the site. I have recently come up with the wiki's very own concept of the central 46 chambers but i wasn't sure of what to do with it. So upon seeing your club idea i got some ideas. While your one of the few recent editors who has been vigilante in stopping vandalism and speculation from creeping onto the site I propose this We make an official group called the The Committee of Eight, basically it will fall to the group to handle volume's and anime episode content making sure they get put up on the site, detailing who was in the chapter or episode by order of appearance and what powers where used as some are already done. Also to aid in large projects on the wiki if your needed. Your other duties will be to watch out for vandalism and speculation which in that role you can possibly be given rollback rights. Now what i would propose is you being the leader of the group and upon finding 7 other members you can pass the nominations to the admin who can grant them rollback rights as well. Now of course this is all still in the development stages and the other admin should have say in the details of this but let me know your thoughts on it are. Salubri 21:28, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Book of Souls
I found it a few weeks ago but am only just getting around to looking through it properly though. Looks like a proper English version of it rather than an unofficial translation, but there was no mention of where whoever posted it got it from. Unfortunately, it is not all in one file (and is quite big too). Enjoy. --Yyp 14:56, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome Yyp 16:50, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Hello (again) ^_^
Hey Tinni, Remember me?

First of all, I want to apologize and say that I'm sooooooo sorry that I did not finish Volume 30 by the end of that week (which was 3~4 weeks ago). I got sooo caught up in my Senior studies that I didn't have any time to work on it; so I'll try to fit some time again when I can.

Please don't give up on me!

Sincerely,

--Saru Lunarjack333 03:30, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I just see how may volumes you, Twocents, and Yyp have done (Memories in the rain, Quincy Archer Hates You, Rightarm of the Giant, & The Death Trilogy Overture) and I've only finished Half of One Volume. So I feel kinda ashamed, like I should be doing more.........

--Saru Lunarjack333 04:07, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Congrats
As affirmed by the other Admin they agree with the idea i proposed to you. You therefore have been made a lieutenant on the wiki and therefore now possess rollback rights (side note: please dont abuse it, otherwise the other admin will come down on your head with a wrath and take it away). Also you are now the Chairperson of the Bleach Wiki:Policy & Standards Committee also reached through the community sidebar or just community page. I basically moved the information from the former page u used in the forum as well as adding some stuff. Familiarize yourself with the additions on there as well as the Bleach Wiki:Policy and corresponding policies if you haven't already. Another side note, as the chairperson you nominate committee members to the Admin so thats something to start doing and so discussions are easier and have more room they can be had on the discussion page of the Policy & Standards Committee. Remember episodes are now under your watch too. So you think you got enough responsibility or enough to do lol have fun. Salubri 05:44, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Actually your entirely right now that i think of it ill change the nomination process as far as the rest i was wondering what to do cause i wondered that but you hit it right on the head so go with your idea. Salubri 06:21, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Committee Projects
Hey, I was thinking that the projects should be on Bleach Wiki:Volume Project (or whatever you called it). That way, it's in line with the rest of the official sort of projects, and plus, they aren't articles, so they shouldn't be classified as them.

And I was also wondering if you'd mind if I continued to work on the Volume a Week thing? I can understand, though, if you'd prefer it if it was just for the committee to work on. Twocents 06:44, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I just wanted to make sure. I didn't want you to feel like you got assigned a project and then an admin just came in and trampled all over it for you. :P Twocents 06:52, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Committee
Sure. I wouldn't mind taking that project. I wanted to do more then I had already, but I found my schedule alittle overwhelmed. Yesterday, my schedule freed up again so I will start that soon enough. I'm actually surprised I got into the committee or might, I'm not sure if i'm in or not just yet. I look forward to being of some use. I know I spend to much time on Blogs and Forums, but i'll be sure to do some more work and less playing around here. Minato88 04:35, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Thank u for the congrats. I will make sure to keep up with the New episodes that are coming out and I will straighten out the Anime Episode Summary page. The 4th Hokage 10:40, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Junk Quotes
Hey, Tinni. I know you spearheaded the junk trivia movement, so I wanted to get your opinion on this: Forum:Junk quotes. Just whenever you have some time to look my proposal over. :) Twocents 19:35, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Re: User Izuru
Exactly which clock are you using? And I couldn't find any subbed versions of the latest episode of Bleach at the time he attempted to stick up Kazeshini's 246 info, so I assumed it was not subbed at the time. Either way, I warned him, not blocked him. I'll give it a week and check those sites, and if it turns out that what you say is true (the wiki's clock works much differently, since it isn't tuned by time zones), then I'll take his name off the list.

Also, I only warned him, not block him, so other than getting his name off the list, I don't see why this is any concern. Don't get me wrong, I'm not mad or anything, but I still want to be careful with Spoilers, even if it is just the Anime. Arrancar109 06:23, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, like I said, I'll wait until next week and check those sites at those times. If it was an earlier timeslot this week, then it might be a long-term change, and as such, I can check if either site has it subbed or not, and if it does, then I can take him off. And I understand concerns about the list (I was a bit concerned as well before we agreed to it), but it needed to be done, since some members don't go through with our policies until after we tell them to.


 * Anyway, before I get into a rant, I'll look into what happens next week and go from there, and if I find it on the sites subbed, I'll take his name down, as well as formally apologize to him. The list itself isn't for blacklisting users, but to be cautious about them. Arrancar109 06:51, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

You know, I JUST found your forum. I'm going to go through it and see if there's a way I can do this now instead of 1 week from now, so I can attempt to settle this issue sooner. Arrancar109 06:56, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I checked the sites you listed, both on my Talk Page and on the Forum, and I couldn't find any sort of time tag to suggest that he waited on subs or not. The only way for this to work a week sooner is if he tells me he got it from a sub that's not from anywhere you suggested, but he has to prove that the subbed location exists. Also, this happened in the late morning/early afternoon in Pacific/Mountain time, and mid-afternoon Central/Eastern time. That's all I can do to clarify the time this stuff happened. Arrancar109 07:17, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Well, like my main source of manga is OneManga, my main source for subbed anime is Dattebayo, and it wasn't subbed at the time he made the edit. Also, sorry about the lateness, but I was at work before I had a chance to see your message, and all I can say is this all happened before I went to work, and Dattebayo didn't have it up until after I already left. All I know is that the episodes come out on Tuesdays, and it's usually up on Dattebayo while I'm at work, so I'm still limited in viewing edits. As such, this is why I can only wait 1 week at this point. I'm aware that some subs are starting to come out (Fade to Black was apparently subbed by someone else before Dattebayoo did it), but none of them seem to be major sites yet. Arrancar109 07:33, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

I can understand why, so I'll consider it. Considering this is his "first offense", it may very well doubtful (most of his Anime-related edits did occur after it was proven subbed). We'll see what happens. Thanks a lot for trying to help someone who may be innocent. Arrancar109 07:52, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Committee Prospects
Hey Tinni. I know the committee has not been around for very long, but no one else seems to be applying for it & I feel that finding three more candidates would be a relief for u, I, and the Admins. I know u and Salubri have decided to let them nominate themselves, but what if someone whom is not quite skilled enough or for another reason applies and is rejected. Sometimes rejection can be be worse then not being picked cause of favoritism. Since becoming the Second Seat I have made a list of 18 possible users whom are in the upper tier of the juniors/seniors. I have narrowed the list down to 4 possible users(but have not contacted them nor have I recommended them for the position)whom I feel meet all of the criteria. They are Kisukeiscool, SalmanH, Abigail16, & Ethelion.

I know the admins are the ones who decide whether or not one can become a Lieutenant, but as members we could take a little more aggressive means to this. I would like u'or opinion on these four & to not cramp up our userpages we can use the Committee's Comments or Discussion Page. There are 14 other user which I felt did not meet all of the criteria and can explain why later. Also we can (& probably should) ask the Admins their opinions on this(if they don't find it and post themselves). The 4th Hokage 22:21, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Okay thanks. I knew Ethelion was a long shot and tho I don't know what exactly happened with him and(unnamed Admin(I know which Admin))I did understand the jist of it. I had my reasons for considering him, but I won't bother u with the details. Kisuke(Mainly) and SalmanH are the two I was considering. I am just curious, but do u have any other suggestions on Users that might be prospects? My aim is to get this committee up and going and while I might seem to be rushing things a little, I have(& I know u have) somethings that need to be done around here. Overall I wanted (tho I obviously know I have no right to decide) the 3rd or 4th seat to be in charge of the 6 Main Characters pages (Mainly Ichigos, which is a full time job itself). This was just one of my ideas and I was going to ask u what u thought about it(so I am). This is assuming either one of them would like the position. The 4th Hokage 00:55, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I didn't consider Tom. After looking at his contributions, he doesn't meet the weekly access, that is required. I did consider Mohrephus & he is better, but also questionable with the weekly requirement.

Aside from that, I contacted Kisuke and he said he is interested in the Third Seat position, but would like more info about what he would be expected to do. So what did u have in mind for the Third Seat member? The 4th Hokage 12:52, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, after re-looking over Tom's page, lately he has been on more and has actually contributed alot to the Anime Summary Project. I think he might be good for the 5th Seat if he wants the position. The 4th Hokage 12:59, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Volume Summary Project
I saw u'or comment requesting more helpers for u'or Project. I currently have too many helpers.
 * User:The Shadow Dragon
 * User:Weedefinition
 * User:TomServo101
 * User:BollyW
 * User:JohnnyLightning

All of these users as well as some others are currently throwing in on my project and only Bolly and Johnny are actually using my page as a way of coordinating efforts. Because of this, it is hard for me to keep track of what Ep they are working on(tho I know I will eventually get to them). And none of them(aside from Shadow) are using links or redirects as they go, meaning that I have to reread their summary, add links, add characters, and add techs(In accordance to the Guidelines). As such they are somewhat overwhelming me. Could I contact Shadowdragon, Weede, and Tom and ask if they wouldn't mind helping u?

On a side note would u mind if I changed my name on the Committee back to Minato? I only use 4th Hokage as a Title. The 4th Hokage 01:58, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thank u. I hope this helps both of us. About the Username I didn't mean to create confusion and as such I have ramified the problem. Minato88 02:11, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

SalmanH
Well, bummer. Kisuke decided that he felt he wasn't ready or good enough to join, so I removed the nomination. Crap. I would like to contact SalmanH and offer the position to him if that is allright with U. Minato88 02:32, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the confidence in finding other users, it did help me and I have contacted SalmanH. We are both so busy and this is such a Trivial question, but I felt I should ask sooner rather then later would be better. Why are u called the Chairperson? Why isn't u'or title Captain. I see the committee is meant to follow the Hierarchy of the Gotei 13 Squads. Like I said it is a trivial question, but I have wondered ever since the committee was created. Minato 13:43, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Same to you Eid Mubarak.--SalmanH 12:47, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Mohrpheus and Tomservo101
SalmanH has also declined as he is busy with college. How about Mohrpheus for Third Seat and Tomservo for Fourth. I have also got Abigail16 and Gold3263301 in mind for Fifth Seat or Third or Fourth if Tom and Mohrpheus decline. Minato 14:08, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Ryujin Jakka
I know he'll play a role in the future episodes. But I only added what he has already done in the filler (denying Muramasa) I don't think I violated the spoiler policy. But if I did, I'm sorry Shock Dragoon 12:30 ETZ

Hallibel being dead
Okay, you know how you said that Hallibel "sustained sufficiant injuries for death"? Well, if that's true than Hiyori should be dead as well. Hallibel was only cut across the stomache, and on the left shoulder (something that has happened to Ichigo and others countless times), and Hiyori was cut COMPLETELY IN HALF. So how is even possible to say that Hallibel has died when the others (Hiyori) have not? I think it's just YOU being ignorant, and I think we need to change it. (goes to talk page)

Hey
Do me a favor I don't think any one of has gotten through on the Shunsui Kyoraku talk page topic and as of now i have nothing more to say on it besides what i have. feel free to add whatever you can to close the discussion. while i see where the guy is coming from i dont trust Viz as the professional number one translators especially considering if we went by them this site wouldnt be as far as it is on the manga. While i appreciate the fact that he spends money to buy the books they are heavily americanized and i have no doubt that they have changed around alot of information and words to make it more appealing to americans and less foreign. Maybe im reading to much into that but its a downward slope, to change one small sentence to fit one persons perspective and then eventually it'll be something eles until the entire site is gonna be changed from the names of the release commands and character names to even removing kanji because its not listed in the viz translation. You had a good idea official site translator scans would be a good idea. Salubri 01:38, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Ramirez16 and Spoiler Policy
Yeah, I just saw that. And you have a point. I think we should either add that the source site needs to be pointed out first (via summary box, like you suggested), or to let an administrator know about the source, so he/she (me, in this case) doesn't do a premature block. If it's true that virtually nobody knows about that site, then it's all the more reason for us to add this on the Spoiler Policy, since there are new and/or largely unknown translators appearing online all the time; similarly to User:Izuru, who apparently used an alternative sub for the anime a week and a half ago (BTW, I did take him off the list). I'll make the change sometime today, but my time on the computer today is hugely limited (it being Thanksgiving and all), so it'll take some time to make today. Arrancar109 17:03, November 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Enjoy your Thanksgiving. Arrancar109 17:08, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Shunsui
Hey i was basically putting forth the point that this was never an issue until now, what the person having a problem with it is saying that because viz doesn't have it then its not right, now i can appreciate looking up other sites but the issue is between whether viz or manga rain is right as well as assuming that the reference was to their zanpakuto powers is speculative as well as at the time we didn't know what they were. Thats all im saying because that was the argument brought forth. Hence the reason for whether or not viz or manga rain is right and whether its speculative to assume he was talking about their powers which is what the person bringing up the argument is asking. Im not being unreasonable but thats what the argument was so im saying the question is between that. Salubri 03:37, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Ok since you went to the trouble we'll go with what Sheetz said, which was that as what he could translate its ambiguous what was being talked about by Yamamoto so we'll not remove change it to reflect shunsui and ukitake individually that much we know for a fact as he was referring to both. Now that should end this all. Salubri 04:11, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Kotetsu image
Hey Tinni, I recently uploaded an Isane Kotetsu image on the talk page what do you think.--SalmanH 16:35, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Hinamori
Hey, I brought this up on Hinamori's talk page, but if possible, assuming you have any eps, can you possibly upload a better face shot of her? I think the new one is fine, but I personally think her profile pic should also include the bun in her hairstyle. You don't have to if you don't want to, but I'm not sure how else to get a better-quality shot of Hinamori up. Arrancar109 17:01, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Touching Bases
Hey, sorry I haven't been around alot lately. U asked if I was having any issues. Well, not really anything serious, but I could use some more freetime. I have had like no time to get on here and do anything, but I am back for awhile and hope to get some of the summaries done. Talk to u later. Minato 21:24, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Re:Yammy's Release
Hopefully I'm leaving this message right. I got your message, Viewerv (hehe) and my apologies. Since you can sometimes just edit Wikipedia, I didn't realize the proper order of protocol. I'll leave my data on the Talk Page for "Yammy" then. Adam Restling 21:54, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Committee
While I appreciate your situation Morpheous doesn't need to be a committee member to help with the anime portion. There are other projects on this wiki whether started or otherwise that need to be taken care of and putting them off even further doesn't help. You yourself state that Minato88 is already getting alot of help and if checking for the summaries is an issue then that should be a priority alongside adding the content. If made a committee member it kind of defeats the purpose of having the position if all he is gonna do is be another person helping as anyone else would, which is why i asked if he is willing to do his own project. Salubri 18:31, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I was going to give them the choice of either or 2 from one and 3 from the other. I am going to provide them links and guidelines to what they should do. There was one thing I wanted to tell u about being the Taicho. Because of time on, contribution history, and edit count, I decided to give Gold the Fourth Seat(Gold knos that but I haven't told Tom yet). Are u okay with that? Minato (Talk)  18:55, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

WB and Archiving
Hey Tinni, just leaving a message for u when u get back. I hope u had a good break and welcome back when u get back. This archiving message is something Yyp left me awhile back so I figured I'd leave a copy for u in case u didn't know about it. Since your Talk Page seems to be one of the most active ones, the archive facility may be quite useful for you to help keep the page a manageable size. In case you are unfamiliar with what the archive is, it is a sub-page of your user page where you can store some or all of the old posts from your talk page without actually deleting them. Not only will it free up space on your Talk Page, but you (& anyone else) will be able to click on the archive link on your talk page to review the old posts. You can create an archive on your page by following these instructions: Help:Archiving talk pages. Let me know if you have any questions on it.

There is one thing about Archiving. My attempt had my page end as a floater and Yyp had to fix it. I'll leave his message here for u as it should better explain how to avoid this problem.

I think that the link that those instructions tell you to create is the problem. It needs to be changed to User talk:username/Archive 1, but I can't alter what it says as the page is stored on the central wiki and cannot be edited by us. Next time you do it, you can just copy/paste the existing one, and name it archive 2. Minato 16:26, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

Omake Segments
Hey Tinni. When u r back there is a discussion being held on the Committee Discussion Page Can u help out here? Of course we might have an answer before u get back. Minato 23:52, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Forums etc
Hi Tinni,

thank you for your help, i'm sorry for being a pain (as you can tell i'm very new!!). Nick D Wolfwood 15:59, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Chapter 386
Is the new chapter out? Minato (Talk)  23:46, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Ahh thanks. I am reading it now. U kno Tosen is one of the biggest hypocrites I have ever seen. I can't believe he called Komamura ugly, since he is like way uglier. I don't kno who wins this fight, but I hope Sajin kicks his srry, lying, ugly, hypo-critic, traitorous butt. Minato (Talk)  23:55, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Gotei 13
Alrighty, I protected the Gotei 13 page, so edit warring should cease for now. I'll take it down when either the matter is settled or when the next chapter is out. Whichever comes first. Arrancar109 (Talk)  08:03, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Stop editing false information
Liste, Kouga was ADOPTED. Re-watch the latest episode, and they say that he was ADOPTED. Not married. Don't you think that his supposedly wife would have a bigger part had that been the case? He is not married. He is adopted. Do I need to repeat myself some more, or do you understand?

I don't enter rubbish. That seems to be the work of you.

Video Pics
Hey Tinni. What programs do u use to freeze frame a downloaded version of a Bleach Ep and then take a still frame image picture? I have always wondered about what programs r the best. Windows movie maker? Minato (Talk)  02:08, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Huh. Amazing. I could have done so all along. All I needed to do was just download the vid. Anyway thanks, and I lik the Sig. Pretty soon I might be taking a short leave of absence. I'll explain later when I kno more. Minato (Talk)  02:19, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Help with a Bleach game
Longer sentences with their idiomatic grammar and sometimes numerous clauses and interpretations still thwart me (I do best with isolated words like names/verbs, or short sentences), but I'll give it a shot to see what I can do when I have some time... assuming someone else doesn't step up before I can get in gear ;) . Hopefully whichever ends up happening, the goofs are kept to a minimum. Adam Restling 17:29, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Re: More References
Yeah, I've been a tad busy with prepping up for Christmas these past few days. Haven't been doing as much editing as I should be, so thanks for understanding. I'll look over the edits awaiting completion a look ASAP. Happy hoidays to you, as well. Mohrpheus 20:01, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Hey
Sorry about my attitude on Unnamed Kuchiki's Talk Page; I've been working a lot both on and off this wiki lately, and I've been getting a tad bit stressed because of it. I mean, I recently helped finish referencing Demōra's page (as well as adding his attacks), which was a lot of work going back and forth through each of the chapters (man, this referencing thing is gonna take awhile). Anyway, with the exception of new characters that are just starting out in the series, I always have some conflicts in restoring an article that was deleted once, which, as you know, also has something to do with my reaction. Anyway, I'm sorry about how I reacted and for not contributing to solving some of the issues I pointed out. Arrancar109 (Talk)  06:14, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll be around here for awhile tonight, as I got a few articles I need to do some minor work on. But yeah, Happy Holidays. I hope you enjoy your Holidays. Arrancar109 (Talk)  06:45, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Unnamed Kuchiki, Ghosts & Teddy Bears
Thanks for that Tinni. The page looks a lot better than the previous version. About the glasses wearing and Fat Ghosts etc, I had been toying with the idea of merging them into one page (like the list of hollows page, except for pluses). But I see that those pages have been expanded somewhat this morning, so maybe that's not needed anymore. I had forgotten that Enraku had a page. I'd agree that whatshername is more deserving of a page than most of the above, and since they now have better articles, I think they can all stay. Thanks, and happy holidays. -- Yyp  (Talk)  11:15, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Just had a chance to read over those pages. They look pretty good. Thanks. -- Yyp  (Talk)  11:59, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Hey
Come on Tinni you know better then to remove the 'clear' it states that specifically in the manuel of style. Salubri (Talk)  11:01, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Its cool i just found it odd that it was you of all people lol. By the way Merry Christmas. Salubri (Talk)  11:07, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Hey
Thanks for the assist apparently there is no reasoning with people that feel that rules don't apply to them and feel they aren't held to the same standard as others. Also sorry for the rant on your blog with the other aizen guy im not sure he gets what i was trying to say but we got into somewhat of argument cause he was trying to use personal observation to argue against facts i presented so i dont know but i decided to let him have the last word as i didnt feel like saying that or anymore on the subject for that matter. Salubri (Talk)  02:57, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Humm that sounds pretty dumb and baseless. I personally question whether Gin has one at all really. I just don't think its likely because tosen was angry and hateful toward the world and was power hungry so that he could bring down the organization that allowed his friends death. Gin doesn't seem to have a reason besides something to do. He also doesn't seem to need power, he's dangerous enough with just shikai and all it does it shot out and attack at range. We have yet to see what he can truly do in a fight. Not to mention Tosen always seem the least powerful of the three, the one with the most to prove in story as well as a character and he seemed more of a subordinate to Aizen, like a servant. Gin doesn't act that way he treats aizen like more of an equal or friend and is treated in turn by aizen the same. This is assuming people such as them are capable of having a true relationship on that level. In any case i just don't see it i figure tosen was a test subject plain and simple aizen didn't bat a eye when he died he showed more interest when momo showed up then tosen's death. I figure any attempt at having him have ressereccion would be overkill or unnecessary especially considering we haven't seen any capabilities really from him, by this time in the story we saw shikai and bankai from tosen the only logical next step was something new otherwise he wouldnt have had prayer against komamura. Gin still hasn't revealed his powers in full yet. I anticipate him against Hitsugaya as they have unfinished buisness and no one sees to need to fight him or have more reason to, plus hitsugaya is uninjured his lieutenant rangiku was the closest to Gin outside of maybe Aizen of Izuru and they are both prodigies which seems to match up. Maybe Izuru will join in with hitsugaya Gin will owe explanation and hopefully we get to know what his deal is once and for all. Salubri (Talk)  04:31, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Well I don't know that it would make sense to have either of them survive at this point its been about 4 arcs with them only taking action in two the soul society arc and the fake karakura town. They have been up for 2 the beginning and seemingly the end. Having them survive into another arc would make the past two arcs pointless i think. Not to mention to do so would be disregarding his plans all together. I dont see resurreccion happening for aizen thats pointless we havent even seen his bankai either. He claims to be all powerful, what for the least amount of work he does. We wont know until it gets there but i personally relish the idea of seeing Aizen a bloody mess all cut up and beat to hell. There is more possibility that Gin will survive then Aizen but then again maybe not. Salubri (Talk)  07:24, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

tosen
well whe wrote walls of text in every argument the fact that you avoided it and gave that rip-off excuse just proves you dont think you can prove your point by the way i said in my first coments that it seemed impossible not that it was, i was never trying to prove that i was right because tosen is dead even if i said the contraire i was just trying to prove why it seemed almost imposible and also tha wall of text proves every single one of your previous argumets wrong and by a lot but hey dodge the ball if you like i don really care because i already stated my point wich of course never was "reviving tosen" to say it someway cause kubo alrady killed him

text wall
well i must say i am dearly sorry for not dividing it into paragraphs, but it is divided by points the matter is that i couldnt edit the message (i put edit and the thing didnt open) and i wasnt gonna write all that over again, but if you check it is divided by points and by the way im no fan i have read almost every article in this wikia, seen the anime, read the manga, heard interviews with tite kubo anout this (not all), read articles, meaning im pretty acknowledged at this by know without mentioning that my iq is high meaning i see easily the logic sense in things and i dont use favoritisms, if you checked or check what i wrote youll see it makes a lot of sense, so please dont call me again anything like a fan boy or simply a fan because im not just that at least call me an otaku, the other is quite offensive to me and the bleach fans since the way youre meaning it is that youre calling us idiots wich i am not and also alot that are "just" fans are not. actually i do think highly of myself thank the school teachers that put me in special classes because they tought i was smart for that (anyway don you care about that its just garbage), but in your previous message you did not do anything like an apologize all you said that you where marking the fact that you have met fans like that and like you said to your concern think you won but all that you prove closing the comments on the page, not taking time to read the mssage ( 10 valuable min. of life lost right?)and ignoring quotes from the anime that you know have been made just proved that you think of yourself very high (yes just like you said i do)and are not willing admit things that have been stated even in the series not just the "assumptions" (like you call it) i made, ignoring them to your benefit of course, cause you didnt use much quotes from wath i remember or facts all you did was say the opposite than i because you considered them assumptions and said they cant be proven and thats pretty much all you did well like i said hey you win its your opinion like i said befor my pint was to put logic arguments of why it seemed impossible for hisagi to beat tosen not to prove tite kubo wrong after all he dcides what happens its his world and that means hisagi could kill tosen i just made the point that it seemed impossible for him to do that even if he did

socrates
wow thank you socrates you didnt prove any point wrong you just used assumptions like i did and said that i cant prove it like every other time before ....

do you know how hypocrit it is to mention socrates? one of the points of the story is about humillity (and some others but this is the one that matters know) you are trying to make me look like an ignorant with a very cult story making you a hypocrit because you are acting like you know more than me but saying that i should be humble??? i dont understand how somebody thats showing off his knowledge with a tale that has nothing to do with the original argument makes you humble, it just makes you pretend that youre humble while youre actually looking down on me and a proof of it is that you closed the argument meaning you wanted to have the final word and make me look like an egocentric idiot because i wouldnt be able to defend myself to it, not caring if you where right or if you where acting like a hypocrit becaue youre mentioning a story about humility while youre acting like if you where above me because you had a "prety tale that makes look like an idiot that if you put enough attention to proves that you where the one acting superior all humans are ignorant nobody has even the milliont part of the vast knowledge that exist making us all ignorant and the story is right those who think they know more than others are ignorant beccause they dont know it, im ignorant to no matter how much knowedge i posses i will always be and so are you but you do not teach humillity trying to humiliate someone you are notting like socrates its arrogant of youre part just to have mentioned him, comparing yourself to such a wiseman yes even i, that think so much of myself is an ignorant no matter how high i think of me or how low i think of someone else thats why i am and to be correcting you this way also puts me in your league as well since im doing something similar to what you did

by the way i never expected anything like an apology when i mentioned you indirectly called me an idiot all i wanted was to see if i was right that you also think high of yourself or your knowledge and indeed you admitted you where saying that i was that, along with alot of other fans and one last thing the quotes i mentioned did happen but i am not going to search that mny chapters for you and i dont expect you to reply my with anything except that all of this is false and that those werent youre intentions, etc. but in a way you try to mke me k bad again i must say i really dont care if you do because i already have the facts and thats it i wont pay any major attention to anything you write to me ill answer it because of cortesy but yo wont chane my mid o anything like that so if you want to reply anything fine but dont expect me to take it to seriously

Ah joys of taking things out of context. I was going to leave this since it seemed so important to you that you get the last word but since this does have to sit on my talk page or at least my archives, I figured I should probably writing something to give some context to anyone who might be snooping. Yes I am talking to you! You unnamed eavesdropper who isn't Aizen sorrow z. ^.^

The reason I was reminded of that story and I really was just reminded of it as I was typing my last reply post was because from the start I claimed that certain things were unknown and as they were unknown we could not be certain of the mechanics and any deduction drawn from other events were mere speculation that could be easily proved to be false by the developments of the story and in some cases had been proven false from further developments in the story. It seemed to me that because I refused to assume or rather did not put as much weight on my deductions, no matter how logical, then what Kubo himself unfolded - I was accused of being stupid or idiotic (in fact those very words are present in the comments to the blog post). We weren't talking about worldly knowledge merely knowledge of Bleach. In the knowledge of Bleach I merely claimed not to know anything more then what Kubo revealed. I thought of the story of Socrates because I felt I was being accused of stupidity because I was aware of my ignorance. I wasn't claiming to be Socrates I was merely reminded of the story and because I was I put it down when I was finishing off my comment.

The whole reason I made the blog post that started all this is because I found it amusing that certain subsection of the Bleach fandom fancied that they knew more about the technicalities of the Bleach the Kubo Tite did and were thus bashing him for a perceived discrepancy. This has been my pet peeve with many vocal members of the Bleach Fandom for quite sometimes. Many of who do seem to work off a skewed version of Bleach because they had preformed in their head the direction they thought Bleach was going but when it proved that Bleach wasn't going in that direction, they would get upset and angry. Truth of the matter is that in Bleach the powers or rather the special abilities of zanpakutos are such that the potential exists for anyone to defeat anyone else. Who is to say that Yammy won't fall at the hands of Hanataro because Hanataro manages to use the powers of his Hisagomaru to lessen Yammy's anger and thus weaken him before using the attack ability of it to finish Yammy off. If such a thing happens are we to then suddenly brush off Yammy as being weak? Or say that Hanataro is stronger then Byakuya and Kenpachi who couldn't finish Yammy off? Absolutely not. Because this is Bleach and in Bleach fight between two people says nothing of how either of those people would perform against anyone else. Tinni  (Talk)  03:37, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Committee Nomination
Thanks. Don't know how, but I never even saw that. It's up now anyway. I understand the sentiment (and feel similarly). I think users who are either helping with one of the projects or updating the articles with info from each new chapter/episode are the best candidates. You don't need to be a member of the committee to improve the wiki or help with the projects, and doing those things gives us a much better idea of how good they are. At least more people are taking an interest in it now. -- Yyp  (Talk)  11:21, December 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * I hadn't seen your suggestion on the committee page when I wrote the above. I've brought it up on the admin talk page too. -- Yyp  (Talk)  11:59, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

contradiction
im gonna make my final statement on this and contradict myself by answering in this way

1 you answered exactly the way i said you would but you just did it on your own page to aparent youre not doing that

2 i never tried to prove tite kubo wrong as he created bleach, i stated in multiple times that all i was tying to prove that it seemed impossible if you used logic, altough it was possible as tite kubo would always be right

3 i never called you anything that i shouldnt have until you insulted me the only thing i said previously thats remotely like that was when i said "aparently you read much but dont think much" wich we where refering to bleach meaning that you read it but didnt pay attention or think about it meaning i did not insult you, also you never said that you considered that insulting and when you did say something to me that I did consider insulting you just brushed it off and left it that away, atough like i said thats what i expected you would do

as i said this is my last quote on this unless you answer me directly or anything like that

What I find interesting is people that come on the sight and state opinion as fact because they "think into the series". just because someone goes into thinking of the interpretation doesn't make them any more correct via logic or otherwise then anyone else. I personally don't normally jump on blogs and forums for this reason. I explain most of the situations via facts (whats been determined in the series). I may have a personal view on the situation and i may interject logic into those views but i there is nothing more that i can't stand is when people interject into an argument using their personal views and try to say what is established from the facts is wrong at face value. While i can think of interpretation and deeper meaning and use logic to that point. It serves no place in a argument on facts, who cares what ones personal observations are. what matters foremost is the facts presented. Deep interpretations are something for philosophy discussions and for people who think along those lines maybe others dont. Deal with it but dont argue with them about being wrong when your not right yourself and if you cant deal with facts being used to answer questions then don't ask them. Any true fan of the series knows the answers or at the least most likely answer and is appreciative of those who can answer questions they dont know. But how is there room for anyone to call someone else wrong when they don't know anymore then what they view as the answer by their personal observation. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  05:19, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Subsequent arcs
Hi Tinni since you often deal the arcs and manga on this wiki, any info on whats happening after the Fake karakura arc? I've also read that there's going to be another filler after the current one.-- SalmanH  (Talk)  14:57, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

More on Zanpakuto.. Is there really anything left to tell I was under the impression from what was circling that it would be based more on Isshin, but you said 10 episode mini arc that would leave a gap.-- SalmanH 16:55, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

It could be bleach's best year if that's the plan, regular arcs do last about that long but I'm not sure about the mini arcs, however as long as there's something left and that it's that big I'm happy, thanks for the update.-- SalmanH 17:46, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS
Unfortunately, I cannot accept your kind words, as this Riesling was someone else. But thanks anyway :) . Adam Restling 06:10, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Patrick espada
Will do. -- Yyp  (Talk)  12:06, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * No sure that I was all that nice, but I spelled out what he did wrong & pointed him at the manual of style. -- Yyp  (Talk)  12:27, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Committee Page
I went ahead and made sub-sections for the nominations. I grouped them together based on my opinion of which I supported, opposed, and was neutral. I was wondering. Does Mohrpheus get a say about them? He is a Member, but he is just a seated member. Minato (Talk)  14:43, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

OK. I was just wondering. I'll give him a message about this then. Minato (Talk)  14:54, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Protection
Done. Thanks for reminding me. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  05:03, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Translation
Hey Yea i understand your meaning on that but if people don't get it then i challenge them to come up with a translation that is more justifiable. There is no doubt that the work adam does is thorough and he has helped multiple times. If someone wants to challenge it let them prove there skills cause i doubt most on here will rival his. Im personally not gonna give anyone a lesson in sanskrit or buddhist history/mythology you can feel free to do so if you feel like going out of your way. Im just so tired i having to explain to people who just aren't informed enough to even complain cause they don't have a idea about what they're talkin about. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)

Kanji
I was thinking about something and figured it'd be best to bring it up now. Should I start including the Kanji of the characters names with there english names in the appearance section? We do in the powers and ability section and since there is a redirect to the characters in the summary it seems a tad redundant to just have their english spelled names in the section. Minato (Talk)  17:43, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Bankai translation (Sajin Komamura Talk page)
Hopefully the mix of English and Indic-derived words in the translation of Kokujou Tengen Myouou will not prove too confounding to users. This is, of course, part of the delicacy of translation itself. I proffered "Vidyaraja of Kalasutra's Heavenly Punishment" because I felt that a more extremely-literal translation such as "black-cord heavenly-punishment enlightened-king" would obscure the fact that the terms translated "enlightened king" and "black cord" are actually themselves translations of Buddhist terms, thus also omitting the richer nuance and depth that these Buddhist terms provide. After all, if someone "translates" rounin (frequently romanized ronin) as "wandering samurai," this too is a mix of English and Japanese(-borrowed English) words, but affords the user little trouble, I hope.

I've seen in some pages the "links with text" which provide links to Wikipedia pages on certain terms within Wikia articles. Perhaps this could provide the solution to any confusion: so-linking the words "vidyaraja" and "Kalasutra" to their Wiki articles. Either that, or maybe a quick sentence or two on Komamura's article, the "Bankai" section, itself.

Let me know what you think, and of course pass this suggestion along to others as you deem necessary. Thank you. Adam Restling 00:33, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Wishing You a Happy New Year. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  05:15, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hey
Thanks for bringing that to my attention i have fixed it all. While in the course of deliberating between whether the votes were following the rules me and Yyp came across a weird occurrence. Besides two users all the other users who voted for aizen never edited on the site and all seemingly joined the day of just to vote for him. Meanwhile all normal users voted in mass of hisagi and in much smaller numbers tosen. It looked a little weird especially when some essentially said the same thing over again. Yyp found it odd too and thus the votes are suspect at best. Seeing as she tried to contact one and never got a response or anything but it seems to be expected. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  08:30, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

...
look at the Ichi-Bya fight and u'll see the original getsuga tensho used in bankai -.- --Ice Kitsune 10:40, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

could you at LEAST mention the normal Getsuga attack that was used?--Ice Kitsune 10:52, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

yea but I'd have to find that ep on the internet -.- --Ice Kitsune 10:55, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

how do I reference?--Ice Kitsune 11:10, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Problem with the feature article picture
I've replaced it. I have to track down the other pages its on before I delete it, but won't take to long. -- Yyp  (Talk)  12:44, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Weird, but it was still insisting that it was in use even after I removed it from the pages, even though the pages it said it was being used on clearly show your version. I got rid of it, but let me know if an image disappears & I'll restore it until I can figure out what's wrong. -- Yyp  (Talk)  12:51, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Character Appearance
On alot of the Chapter pages, the area where its lists characters in order of appearance are left blank. Would it be a problem if I went through the chapters and listed them--Shiraha Manjitomoe 06:07, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Databooks & Omakes
Just wanted to say good work with the databook & omake pages. I saw your message on one of the databooks page about adding things to them. I'm not sure if there is anything else that can be added to them that is worthwhile. You seem to have everything covered. -- Yyp  (Talk)  12:09, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just checked and Ju-Ni have a raw of VIBES. No translation, but it's better than nothing. I'm downloading it now. If there are any good things, I might do a table showing sample content like you did for the others. -- Yyp  (Talk)  14:11, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Committee Box
Hey Tinni, just wanted to say that I really like the committee box you made, but there appears to be something really wrong with the picture alignment. It might just be a problem with the browser I'm using, but I just wanted to check and see whether or not it was a problem others were having. Mohrpheus 18:26, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Lol, turns out that it was just a problem with my browser after all - I was on a different computer. Thanks for the help though, I don't see any problems with how it looks now. Mohrpheus 23:26, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Timeline
Hey im sure your familiar with the timeline page on the site well seeing as your the only one to seem to determine the current time passage in the series i was wondering if you can put something like a table or something together for me possibly discerning what month or period that the current arcs and or battles are taken place in. This will also be helpful in the regard of accurately determining the age of the human characters. There seems to be some unknown concept as to what age ichigo is 16 or 17 though i could have swore seeing really early in the manga him being 17. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  07:10, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Difference between SOULs and Bootleg
It's cool. I'm actually going to make it my business to go around the articles and changing them anyway. I meant to do it awhile ago, but some other projects came up, especially reorganizing and referencing Shūsuke Amagai's page. I'll likely try to do it later today. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  14:34, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Committee Nominations
Well, we voted on KiranTheBoi before you proposed the screening. He has two oppose & one neutral (plus the opposition from you guys), so I think we can call that a "no". About GODKING_OF_ICE_CERBERUS_WERE-GARURUMON, we were concerned about the amount of time he would be able to dedicate to the committee due to his admin duties elsewhere, but no firm decision was reached. Animeluvr seems to have fallen off our radar. The general consensus at the time was that s/he did not have enough edits to judge him/her fairly and no real substantial edits of the kind that would be expected from a committee member and s/he isn't on as often as we would like (though who knows, a simple request there might fix that), so we were considering putting him/her up for the initiation too to see if he/she was up to it. (S)he would still need to go through that before being approved I think. I'll bring those two (Garurumon & Animeluvr) up and see if we can get a firm decision. Either way, the other 4 (Nwang2011, Gold3263301, Tomservo101, and SerialSniper14) would be considered ahead of them. About those 4, I support all 4 of them (had been neutral on a couple, but having seen their recent edits, I support them now). I see Salubri has posted his support on the admin page too. We'll see what Arrancar109 & Twocents think. I'm not sure about Twocents though. I don't know when she'll be back, and I don't know how long we can defer a decision for. It has been quite a while now for some of the applicants & I'm sure they're wondering what's taking so long. -- Yyp  (Talk)  15:18, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Whoops. I already contacted Serial. Also, I have Tom and Gold doing summaries as part of the initiation. I asked Yyp what should I do in regards to Nwang, i.e should I ask him to do a couple of Summaries, but I think Yyp missed the message. Anyway, Salubri said he was going to discuss these four on the Admin Talkpage, so I'll let u guys decide what to do with them. Minato (Talk)  13:55, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

OK thanks. I contacted him about it. Just reporting my action. Minato (Talk)  16:06, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well, Twocents hasn't been around to vote on them, which is part of the delay, as we don't want to exclude her from this, but we can't hold up a decision for much longer. Nwang2011, SerialSniper14 & Tomservo101 have support from the rest of us and Gold3263301 will be accepted too, but we'll wait till he's finished the initiation. I'll see if we can get a formal acceptance for them, or if we're going to wait for Twocents or what. -- Yyp  (Talk)  15:19, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ichigo Kurosaki
How are the two references correct? Ichigo gained that Zanpakuto as a result of Rukia's powers being transferred into him, his powers were still dormant. So this is pretty much Sode no Shirayuki, even the tsuba is the same as Rukia's Zanpakuto. Ichigo never learns the name of this Zanpakuto so we cannot say that its the sealed form of Zangetsu because the proof is staring us in the face. Mujibar 01:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ok you've got some valid points, but does the fact that he has such immense spiritual pressure (like Kenpachi Zaraki, who has immense spiritual pressure and cannot seal his Zanpakuto) count for nothing? Because it kinda invalidates a lot of points people can come up with. Mujibar 04:18, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah yeah yeah yeah I get it, his first Zanpakuto was a sealed Zanpakuto.. My argument is that he never had a sealed form for his current Zanpakuto (Zangetsu), what he had after episode one was indeed a seal, but not his. Mujibar 09:44, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

The Eighth Seat
Hey Tinni. Should we just go ahead and ask that the 8th seat be added along with the 7th? That way we can get over any talk of additions and move on. We could then discuss Animeluvr and Garurumon, tho personally I am not sure either is approiately qualified to be on the committee. Minato (Talk)  16:05, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

how can i edit and make my original character
im confuse,i need help,i keep thinking that i'll do something wrong

Divisions
Hey, just letting u kno that Squad 9 also mentions Bootleg in the recruitment section. I imagine the others do as well. I'll remove the one from Squad 9. Minato (Talk)  16:19, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well, the best way to say it like it is in bootleg and not have people doubt u is to reference it. If bootleg says that then it should be in the article. While I find that mentally disturbing, I also find it interesting as I did not kno that. Minato (Talk)  17:39, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, after reading that I like it better the way it is. It actually says that the members of squad 3 would prefer to have Izuru as the captain, rather then Gin. Anyway, thanks. Minato (Talk)  18:07, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

RE:Projects
Thanks ill work it out and keep you updated on whats going to be the official stand for that particular project when everything gets ironed out. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  03:45, January 10, 2010 (UTC)