Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-44061-20130131082817

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There is a two small inconsistencies that are inter-related that I have found that I was hoping to discuss. The reasoning the wiki gives for the alteration of his shikai and bankai is that it was effected by trace elements of his Fullbring....which both Ginjou and Rukia clearly said was completely stolen, but that was just the top crust of his power. I heard that there was some info given that it was effected by the Fullbring...but was it from Kubo directly? It wasn't in the manga pages.

Aren't we supposed to assume its the uniform of a 'True' Substitute Shinigami? When he transformed into his new soul reaper form, it was around his human body, it wasn't sprawled on the ground like normal, so there is no reason to assume it would ever look the same as simple Shinigami powers. Naturally, since Ginjo himself was visible while using his Fullbring/Shikai combo weapon, we can assume Ichigo is fighting with both body and spirit as well. Since the wrappings resemble nothing from his fullbring, is it a pretty safe assumption that its wrapping his body and spirit body together? It makes more sense then Rukia and Ginjou lying about it being completely gone.

And here's a little unfortunate inconsistency, not from info, but from Kubo himself. When he gets up to fight Ebern, he uses the badge to jump OUT of his body instead of just transforming. Did I see it wrong? Cause it sure looked like he did, when that clearly creates a inconsistency in how his power works.....should we just go by 'which scene was more important' to Kubo? Also in favor of the 'in body' theory is that fact that Ichigo has Blut Vene. All Quincy powers are a humanoid body-class power, and not applicable to immaterial beings such as soul reapers. A Fullbring is also a human class power, so if he was fighting as an immaterial shinigami, it wouldn't effect his Shikai.

While I know some of you try to avoid conjecture, I've got to say that the likely reason Kubo drew Ichigo jumping out of his body is because he thought the idea of Ichigo flying through the sky in his casual clothes wielding an invisible sword fighting an invisible Ebern(which is what people would see similar to Uryuu and Chad by bystanders) would seem ridiculous.

There is also the possibility he can fight in his body and without his body, which would remove the inconstancy, but I'm not sure what to make from that. Did he just go the immaterial route because they all thought Ebern was weak? In hindsight, if he was just an average arrancar, and his release was just switched from a zanpaktou release to a quincy release, Ichigo's new Bankai power at full Substitute strength would of been simple overkill. Even Orihime, who, yes, has a lot higher spiritual power then before, didn't feel even slightly intimidated by Ebern's base power.Cronomatt (talk) 08:11, January 31, 2013 (UTC) 