Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26051097-20150201142723/@comment-44061-20150202185745

I think this conversation is a bit off. Yamamoto was head of the gotei 13 and Ichibe is head of the royal guard. They both command different roles and purpose. The first point is the royal guard rarely interact in the same dimension as other shinigami. Having said that they are a different level because of their role, they have capabilities and roles far beyond the common shinigami. When Ichigo went to the soul palace their level of training was far above what the shinigami in general were capable of. So lets look at the real issue. Yamamoto has Ryujin Jakka it is the oldest & most powerful fire-type and has the most powerful attack power of any zanpakuto in soul society. Even other captains feared it in shikai. As far as his point about being captain-commander for 1000 yrs cause nobody was born more powerful then him in all that time. Well thats the reality but whats also reality is that Yamamoto is over 2000yrs old and his role was captain-commander of the gotei 13. Ichibe's power lied in his power over names and the effects of that not in actual attack power. Bach's triumph on both accounts were plot device lvl cheat codes straight out of your favorite game system. In actual battle he would have been done for. Yamamoto wasnt adamant about being the strongest he was among those of soul society, which the royal guard arent included in (being in a entirely separate dimension and role) nor are they in comparison cause they are never around nor against the gotei 13. Also Yamamoto was true no shinigami born in 1000 yrs could take him. If your point is to count non-shinigami or people that came before him then theres no point to bring up facts we know. The point of this thread wont find a actual answer that is satisfying. They both have their strengths and in fact we dont know enough about the history of SS to make a claim. Its just as easily that they both are of the same place in history each with their skills.