Talk:Chōjirō Tadaoki Sasakibe

"Was Former"
There's a bit of a grammatical mix-up in this article. It says that Sasakibe "was the former lieutenant of the 1st Division." This isn't quite correct; he either "was the lieutenant" or he "is the former lieutenant." If you say he "was the former lieutenant" and the past-tense "was" is because he's dead, then the sentence actually means that he used to be the former lieutenant before he died, which is untrue. It's small, but it's bothering me. So can we change it? Avolling (talk) 06:25, July 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fixed, thanks for pointing it out. 15:25, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sasakibe's Name
I just wanted to raise the fact that the English re-ordering of Sasakibe's name on this page doesn't reflect the Japanese one correctly. There is a convention in Japanese history of warriors having an additional name which indicates their rank in the family. Speculating, Choujirou could be this kind of name, but even if you ignore that possibility, Japanese culture doesn't utilise actual middle names in the way of the West and Tadaoki is definitely a formal personal name, so should be listed as his first name (even if he is known under the name Choujirou). Is it all right to change the order to Tadaoki Choujirou Sasakibe?Vraieesprit (talk) 00:20, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

I believe that it will be fine if the order of his name stays as it currently is.--


 * Well, it's your call. I just thought that it would be better if the site was culturally correct...ut if you think it doesn't matter, I shall leave it be.Vraieesprit (talk) 00:43, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Bankai PIcture.
Which scene should we use to display Chojiro's bankai?

Exhibit A: http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/504/3 We have a clear shot of the bankai only with Driscol in it not Chojiro.

Exhibit B: http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/504/4 A close up of the bankai's lightning pillars but with Chijiro in it.

Exhibit C: http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/504/7 We have the bankai and its abillity being used but of course Driscol is in it instead of Chojiro.Umishiru (talk) 13:44, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

The image of Sasakibe in Bankai doesnt really show much, so I don't think that image is worthwhile for the article. The one from the previous page is probably best. Even though it shows Berci instead, it is more of a silhouette than anything and it clearly shows the whole Bankai better than the other images. 16:46, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm with Yyp on this. Sasakibe was never shown on-panel using his Bankai before this chapter, and the instance he is shown isn't drawn very well, and we want the best images available to illustrate the technique. Additionally, we have an image of Aaroniero using Nejibana on Kaien Shiba's page, so the technique not being used by its intended user isn't something unheard of in this wiki when it needs to be displayed. Arrancar109 (Talk)  17:05, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Shikai ability
Since his bankai confirmed Sakisabe's Zanpakutou is a lightning-type weapon, we can now assume that it's abilities displayed by the Spirit during Zanpakutou Unknown tales apply also to his Shikai. I know that someone probably will bring this up, so I'll say this in advance - I know he didn't show in the manga. Back than we couldn't state that his powers were the same, because it was a filler and they're known for their inconsequency with the manga-base material. Now it's okay, because knowing his Bankai is closely tied to lightining in the manga, we can safely assume that Gyonomaru's powers dipslayed int the Zanpakutou arc, are also true in manga-canon--Nekosama (talk) 14:37, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Not necessarily. While we can say that his Zan is a Lightning type, we don't know to what extent those powers existed in his shikai form manga wise. After all, Komamura's zan spirit in the arc showed fire abilities but in the manga it never as much as hinted to being a fire type zan. Another thing, his shikai spirit also had water/cloud abilities as well but we know manga wise it isn't the case. Basically I am saying all the anime was able to guess is what element Chojiro's zan deals with but until shown otherwise or confirmed by Kubo, none of the attacks and abilities shown in the filler arc can be attributed to his shikai unless that anime arc has Chojiro actually using it. Manga wise all we saw was his shikai release and form, and then we only saw the lightning part of his zan when its in bankai form.Umishiru (talk) 15:06, August 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * We can assume nothing. The Zanpakuto arc is 100% non canon and noting from that arc will ever be considered canon. As far as we know, the lightning is only his Bankai. We have seen other Zanpakuto's that gain a new ability in Bankai, such as Gin's poison. There will be no assuming or speculating. We write only what was seen.--

Bankai name
MangaPanda/MangaReader calls his Bankai Kokō Konryō Rikyū, while MangaStream uses Gonryō instead of Konryō. I believe Kokō Gonryō Rikyū is the right form, as it comes from Gonryōmaru, but it is better someone with actual japanese knowledge check this before making an edit. Coutinho305 (talk) 21:28, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * It is in the translation corner. When one of our translators gets to it, the proper form will be put in place should it be different than what is on there.--

200 or 2000 years
In MangaPanda version is "[...] he hasn't used his Bankai in over 200 years!", but MangaStream "[...] he hadn't used his Bankai in over 2000 years!". Which version is correct? http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120125122424/central/images/thumb/0/03/Ponurak.png/24px-Ponurak.pngPonurak http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120125122430/central/images/thumb/5/5a/Ponurak2.png/24px-Ponurak2.png 09:06, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

I would ask the Translation Corner. This is something that seems to have some sort of translation fault on one of these two translators. Which one is clearly unknown right now, so the best thing to do is locate a RAW and ask the Translation Corner to translate it. Arrancar109 (Talk)  09:15, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * 2000 is the most likely answer, simply because in chapter 486 (p.5) at Sasakibe's funeral, Byakuya says Sasakibe hasn't used it since before the founding of the Gotei. There's no raw yet for the 504 page, when there is I'll check, but I think this one can be settled on common sense since we know - and the Bleach Wiki Yamamoto page already has the reference - that Yama was CC of the Gotei from around 1000 years ago. Vraieesprit (talk) 11:39, August 23, 2012 (UTC)