Forum:Choronology/Timeline article



Hi folks, I think we should try to create an article that gives the chronology/timeline of the manga events unfolding. I say this because people seem to get confused about basic facts like how long Orihime actually spent in Las Noches (maximum a day before Ichigo and co arrived) or how many months the Bleach events cover(from start of spring to autumn, it's actually October in the Bleach verse). Kind of understandable given that we have seen Bleach unfold over eight years and so for us a long time has passed but in the Bleach verse it's actually been just 8 months and that's maximum! So I think a chronology article would be helpful. Problem is that the only thing close to a "official" timeline is a chronological table provided with Bleach book of SOULS. But it's just an index page listing events in chronological order. I.e. it doesn't match the months up with the events. But I still uploaded the raw pages of the chronology table just so people can see it. What do people think? Tinni 05:15, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * You know, we do have a Timeline article, but it's WAY behind on a lot of things, especially with the recent turn of events in the manga. Arrancar109 05:20, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * We do? I wonder why it didn't turn-up when I searched for "timeline". :/ Tinni 05:25, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. I actually have concerns regarding the Amagai arc, but I guess we should leave it be, as long as it stays branched away away from the other arcs. Same goes for the Zanpakuto Unknown Tales arc, since they're supposed to be stories outside of the main continuity. The Bount arc isn't anything concerned about, since it was actually placed between the Soul Society and Arrancar arcs. However, for continuity's sake, we still kept it labeled "Anime only" (as with other Anime only points, including the stuff that does happen within the manga arcs). Arrancar109 05:30, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Now that I look at it, the timeline article still doesn't do what I was proposing. Which is give a sense of "proportion". It just lists the events in chronological order but doesn't indicate that this set of even happened over one month or that this started happening a week after the previous set of events. Which is were everybody get's tripped up. I mean, I doubt the battle of Karakura has been going for more then a few hours. But you don't really get that sense when you are reading the manga week to week and I don't think the timeline article as it is, helps with giving people a sense of proportion. If that makes sense... Tinni 05:28, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think the time placement is difficult for the most part. All I remember is that sometime during the Agent of the Shinigami arc it's June (Grand Fisher anyone?), and around the Arrancar arc there's something close to 1 month before December. I'm not sure if any other dates were specified. Arrancar109 05:33, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, a lot of the dates are specified. During SS, Kyoraku tells Chad that Rukia went missing in "spring" - thus giving as an approximate start date of events. Ichigo specifies when they go on holiday so we know when SS takes place. Then it's one month for vizard training, and they head to Las Noches in October. Autumn, which is why I get so annoyed when people still call it the "winter war" but meh. Anyway, this is the timeline I use http://community.livejournal.com/soul_society/848698.html (it's not complete). I have a vague idea of where to go in the manga for the time references and there are plenty of references to compile a timeline. However, it's a big job that's not worth doing unless people (other then me) think it has utility. Tinni 05:52, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

As for the continuity of the Bount arc, it should be pointed out that in the anime, the bount arc added months to the story. It messed up the canon continuity pretty bad. In the manga, the maximum amount of time from the first chapter to now is about 8 months, but in the anime it's something like almost 2 years. Which is just another reason why we should make a greater distinction between what is canon (only the manga) and what is not (anime filler, movies, and video games). CorpusDei 03:51, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I think the Bount arc added only one month to it (it only seems longer, due to successful filler insertion between arcs), but either that's why it's labeled as Anime-only. Also, I'd avoid inserting any sort of game history, as games are the most outside-canon sources. 3rd Phantom is the most notable example in that, so if any attempts to add that, I think it'd be taken down by anyone paying attention to the timeline page. Arrancar109 04:00, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

I like to pretend that Bount arc doesn't exist but as Arrancar109 pointed out, yes the Bount arc didn't actually add too much more time to the story. It just felt like it did. But I was only ever going to make a timeline based purely on the manga. Tinni 04:31, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

I only still wonder what to do about the current page, other than updating, since it's obviously been unattended to for a long time. I'm guessing a chronology page or something else should be added, or labeled as "Original manga storyline"... something along those lines. I mean, don't get me wrong, we should stay true to the manga, yes, but I don't think it's necessary to start booting all the anime stuff off of the current timeline page. Maybe we might end up renaming the current page or something. Arrancar109 04:46, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

I think I haven't been expressing my idea well enough. I was thinking of graphical timeline to be added to that page, similar to what Kubo did with "chronological index" that roughly matches chapters to dates. Some chapters we know for certain took place on X date because the date is mentioned in the chapter. Other's would be a close approximation. Whichever, it's something to consider for the long run. I mean, I certainly don't have the time at the moment to undertake something like that. Just wanted to put it out there as a possible "to do" for the improvement of the wiki. Tinni 06:09, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Moving this thread to comply with the forum structure. Tinni 11:46, October 25, 2009 (UTC)