Talk:Zommari Rureaux

Fraccion
I edited the Trivia fact about him not having any Fraccion. Originally it said that Starrk didn't have any Fraccion either. That is, however, not true, as Lliynette is his Fraccion. Ridler1 07:48, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Release
Zommari's release in the anime was activated with "Quash" in the Sub episode I watched. Is there a reason for the difference between that and this article?--Kylecharmed 00:09, September 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * The most likely reason is because they sort of fuck up the subs when they first translate the release commands. Like in the japanese subs for Mila-Rose's release it was "Devour Everything" and Sun-Sun's was "Strangle them to Death" when we know that is simply "devour" and "strangle to death". "Quash is a little stange, though, but sort of makes sense as his release looks somewhat like a pumpkin.

I don't understand a word of japanese, so I don't know how the translations of the characters work, but in english Quash and Suppress mean pretty much the same thing (for the benefit of those who don't know), so it's up to the whims of the translator after that I suppose. TomServo101 23:06, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Trivia
In the trivia it states that Zommari died without knowing his opponents name. This is incorrect as he learned Byakuya's name from Hanataro & even calls him Byakuya. I'll wait 1 week for someone to reply or i'll just go ahead & change this. Minato88 22:19, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

I'll look into it when I get time. Arrancar109 22:57, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Minato's technically correct (the best kind of correct). Though Byakuya didn't give his name, Hanataro does call him Kuchiki-taichou. Yet, after Rukia was controlled by Zommari's Amor, he still calls Byakuya "nameless captain". So is this like a push? Don't know.--Shinitenshi 17:35, October 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * After looking it over, I have to say that Hanataro does sayByakuya's name while Zommari is near enough tro hear it. Whether or not he was paying attention is unknown to me. I think Zommari was paying attention, and knows the name of the Captain who killed huim, but just doesn't care, or doesn't regard him as worthy enough of calling him by name. He probably knows Byakuya's name, but pays no atte4ntion to it, in other words.

Thank U for responding to my earlier post. I'm now a little curious, should we change the Trivia or leave it? Minato88 16:14, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

I think we should change it. If wer'e going to even have the trivia on the page, we might as well have it be correct, don't you think? I shall go and change it now. Oh, and you're welcome! ^^

Resolved

Zommrai and Starrk's sonido
Alright, just because I don't want to keep having this conversation through edit summaries. Yes I am aware that Starrk "seems" faster then Zommari. But Starrk never had Zommari's opponent: Byakuya. Starrk first displayed shunpo against Ichigo who has rudamentary shunpo only and Zaraki who only used shunpo once in a movies. So just because neither of them could catch Starrk doesn't mean someone else in their position couldn't have intercepted Starrk. Secondly, Starrk went up against Shunsui and yes Starrk kept up with Shunsui. But both were just using basic shunpo skills while Zommari forced Byakuya to use a special hoho technique. Anyway, the point is that Byakuya is known for his shunpo skills. I never heard Shunsui having anything extraordinary except for that one time Yama-jii commented that Shunsui could travel a great distance with just one flash step. Not sure how that compares to Byakuya but the point is unless Starrk had the SAME opponent we can't really measure him and Zommari accurately. As such, saying Zommari exaggerated because Starrk could keep-up is pure speculation and should be left out of the wiki. If people want to speculate that Zommari was exaggerating so be it but we don't have to codify said speculation. Tinni 23:19, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

So can we put it in the trivia or would it be deleted. In the following paragraph, don't think of my capitalizing things as an insult. I just don't like Byakuya.
 * With that said I think it should be stated an exaggeration(Cause in my opinion there were at least 3 Espada faster then Zommari). Yes Byakuya is fast, but in my opinion is not as fast as Shunsui. The truth is we really don't know how fast Shunsui is. We have seen him move at unbelievably speeds, which caused Yamamoto to praise his skill. I feel I should point out that Yamamoto has never openly praised ANYONE else(aside from Jushiro, & then it was only his Zanpakuto he praised). We saw Byakuya get totally schooled by Yoruichi & even Ichigo was able to keep up with him while only in his Shikai(once he went Bankai until he started slowing down Byakuya could hardly follow his movements(the first of which he COULDN'T SEE at all)let alone keep up with them). Also it was Zommaris speed which forced Byakuya to use a tech he learned from Yoruichi(In my opinion Zommari released when he really didn't need to since Byakuyas constant insults aggravated him). I know this is just speculation, but Ichigo in Bankai & Hollowfied was matched by Grimmjow while Released(& in the living world his sword was still sealed). & Ulquiorra completewly dominated Ichigo(While in Bankai & Hollowified). So i'm sorry, but Byakuyas speed has been exaggerated by his obnoxious pride. Minato88 00:28, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

That's my point exactly, it's all speculation either way. The power as worded now makes it explicit that Zommari was the one who made the claim. This is fact. Whether he exaggerated, whether there are other faster them him are all irrelevant. We don't know any of those thing for certain. He claimed he was the fastest, we wrote down "he claimed he was the fastest". It is not up to us to provide speculative commentary on his claims. Tinni 00:33, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Hollows need to eat souls to survive
Seriously, where did this come from? When did anyone, anywhere say that hollow need souls to "survive". They don't NEED souls to survive. They eat souls to fill the void inside them that is created from the feelings of fear, regret or whatever it was that caused them to become hollows in the first place. In fact, I qoute from Chapter 284 page 5, "In order to bury the heart they have lost and quench the dry soul they are left with, hollow eat human souls". As far as I can tell, it's like an incurable addiction. They aren't going to die just because they stop feeding their drug habit, they'll just feel like crap. Sure things are different for Menos level hollows but Menos level hollows don't eat human souls, they eat other hollows to stop themselves from regressing. As such I am putting back the comment about him contradicting himself about Hollowing not being "evil". He's evil, he might not think he is but there is no good reason for him to do what he does. Tinni 20:39, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Hm. I didn't think you'd make such a big deal out of a few words being deleted, but I digress. You are correct - I misinterpreted their need for souls. Mohrpheus 23:17, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Episode 144. Ichigo says & I qoute "Don't Hollows have to constantly eat human souls to survive". Hollows are essentially Humans who have, well changed. Still just because of the change, that doesn't mean hollows souls should be different from humans. Minato88 07:59, October 23, 2009 (UTC)