Forum:How strong was Ggio Vega?

So there was a discussion about how strong Ggio was on his talk page. The discussion has been moved here so that it does not fill up the talk page. What I want to know is, how strong was here. I going to say he was definately the most powerful of Barragan's Fraccion. He lasted a significant amount of time against a captain of the Gotei 13. I am a firm believer that Sui Feng was talking absolute rubbish when she said she was holding back. Didn't Yamamoto specifically say at the start of the battle to "not hold back" and we all know how much Sui Feng likes to follow the rules (cough...Soul Society Arc...cough) so what the hell would she be doing getting her ass handed to her by Ggio. Also, if she WAS holding back, why did she release Suzumebachi about 2 seconds into the fight in order to "finish him off". Well, she didn't. At least not till he went all "El Sable" and lost all his speed advantages.

So I think that to catch Sui Feng off guard and literally pound the hell out of her for a good while means that Ggio is definately more powerful than your average lieutenant. His speed was able to equal Sui Feng, who is the prodigy of Flash Master Youruichi. I really don't think he is being given enough credit here. TotalDrama22121. When worlds collide...it's dramatic. 19:47, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think he was that strong. I can definately see that Sui-Feng was holding back. As soon as she decided to end it, she beat him very quickly. My thoughts are that she was taking it easy on him in the beginning because she did not think it would take much to kill Ggio, and while it turned out that he was stronger than she thought, he was still not at her level and Sui-Feng falls into the rank of average captain.--God (Pray)  19:52, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

I agree that Sui Feng underestimated him at the beggining, but I still think the reason she was able to own him so quickly was because of his transformation.

Had he kept his cool and not completely lost it, I think he could of lasted longer. It just annoys me when people say he was the level of a liuetenant. He was clearly above that level. I would go as far to say he was at the level of a weak captain. TotalDrama22121. When worlds collide...it's dramatic. 20:10, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Stop right there. Think about how every class would change if you siad that a faccion member is as strong as a weak captain. What would that make the Privieron Espada? would they be captian level? but wait there is more... Ishida, Chad, and Ichigo took down these guys pretty easilly at full strength. And wait, what is Ishida and Chad's spiritual power? High spiritual pressure. So wouldnt we now change thier spiritual pressure to great? No!!! because they are not as strong as captians (i really wish that chad was as strong because of all of his arm transformations). The moral of the story is...think about how many things would have to change if you just change one little thing. Also think about how this will affect everything else if you think that Ggio Vega is actually worthwhile.Jaybirt5 (talk) 17:29, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

I would have to agree that whoever brought this point up is bringing up a dead point. Even if Ggio was baraggans strongest fraccion he still is no less dead for being put against someone far more powerful then him. The point being is that Sui-feng basically states she wanted to see what a arrancar's receression looked like. It doesn't matter how he fought or his personality he was always gonna loose as soon as she saw his full capability she finished him within seconds. This stands to reason she could have done so at the beginning of the battle. Trying to rationalize it as if he had a chance is ridiculous as he is dead in the end with no effort to make it happen. The situation fits perfectly with the statement she makes about holding back. Bringing up what Yamamoto said is pointless thats how he chose to address the situation and yes its serious but everyone fights the way they choose. Shunsui was playing around with Starrk most of his fight. Sui-feng is an assassin her whole concept is attacking their subterfuge, speed and stealth. Taking advantage of situations and weaknesses where they present themselves. Trying to state that she follows the rules, which is true but how she chooses to fight is her business as long as the result is achieved. This is a pointless argument to use about how if she was holding back why didn't she use suzumbachi, Not only does that make no sense for the purpose you intended but its a argument that cant be made, its like asking why powerful characters dont use their bankai. Also El Sabre we dont know what it does your making an assumption that he lost his speed. His speed was equal to Sui-feng as long as she let it be never letting on that she was faster which she shows. Assassination is what she does faking and playing possum is part of her deal. Now if the argument is that she stood no chance against baraggan then that would be true. But the whole point is baseless here. Lets be real here. Ggio has released and took another form and ended up dead. Sui-feng released shikai and fought at normal and walked away uninjured without the use of her rarely used bankai and all doing so after revealing that she could have killed him at any time and he never would have seen it coming. Thats assassination. --Salubri (Talk)  19:37, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

OK, maybe I went a little far calling him as strong as a weak captain. That was a mistake. However, saying that his speed was equal to Sui Feng just because she LET him is riduculous. He clearly caught her off guard and she was left reeling. I'm sorry if this is a dead subject but I don't think any of the Arrancar really get that much credit. Yes, I know that about 98% of them are dead as ducks. Yes, they didn't kill a single Shinigami.

But I really respect the effort that Kubo put into them as characters, design wise as well as personalities. I was quite upset that not all of them got the development that would have allowed us to attach to them better.

Most people treat them like they were cattle that were just slaughtered. Yes, Ok...they got killed. You don't have to be that cold though.

I don't like the idea that Ggio was just Sui Feng's Toy. He put up the best fight that any of the Fraccion did (Ayon doesn't count). For that, I do have respect for him. TotalDrama22121. When worlds collide...it's dramatic. 21:12, October 13, 2010 (UTC)