Category talk:Shiba Clan

Adding Isshin
Should we not add Isshin to this category too? I'm asking because you are never sure. Caring too much is losing. Join the not caring attitude! :D - Spyken (talk) 22:55, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * While Isshin was at one point a member of the clan, we don't know if he remained one after effectively deserting the Gotei 13. Kaien is still on there because he was a member up until his death, in case you're wondering.--Xilinoc (talk) 23:07, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

So you're rather seeing it as an organisation than a family, correct? Caring too much is losing. Join the not caring attitude! :D - Spyken (talk) 23:14, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * In most noble families, members who abandon the family all of a sudden are considered severed from the clan.

Yes I knew that, but did the Gotei 13 or the clan know what he became? He was technically on a mission, so wasn't really a deserter right? Caring too much is losing. Join the not caring attitude! :D - Spyken (talk) 23:21, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, this mission was taken on Isshin's own volition, so the Gotei 13 and the Shibas had no clue where he went. He was, for all intents and purposes, AWOL.

Ok then, but can you explain why Koga is in his family's category? Caring too much is losing. Join the not caring attitude! :D - Spyken (talk) 08:20, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * There are two explanations to that one. The first is that Koga was never banished or defected from his clan, just put in prison. The other, simpler explanation is that the entire Zanpakuto Unknown Tales Arc is filler, not written by Tite Kubo, and cannot be made sense of using canon material.
 * As Schif said, Koga never actually defected, and he isn't canon, therefore his situation doesn't count. This discussion is resolved, so I'm closing it.