Talk:Senjumaru Shutara

Isn't Shutara her name?
I know, mangareader made 'Senshumaru' first, but maybe it's just my paranoia, but I guess Shutara might be her first name. Senshumaru sounds more like last name. --Black Butler94 (talk) 14:14, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * The rest of the scan has the names in western order, I doubt they would be different just for her (see Ichigo and Kirio). 14:18, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sure, I can agree that it's in western order, but still, 'maru' suffix is used mostly in names of males (i.e. Orochimaru, Sesshomaru). Also, Shutara seems more femine, but, we'll found out whem mangastream version will be released.--Black Butler94 (talk) 14:28, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * It would be the raw that you would want to check if you have any doubts. 14:32, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Like said, Mangapanda put the names in the western order, that's why Senshumaru appears first. About it sounding like a male name, you are right. Every name ending with "-maru", as far as I know, is a male name. What does this mean? Well, probably exactly what it seems. - Gorenja (talk) 17:01, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Regardless of what names ending in "-maru" mean gender-wise, unless you know how to speak Japanese or translate Japanese, I don't think you or anyone else is qualified to determine which name is her surname. As Yyp said, find a RAW, and if it's not written in English on it, then submit the RAW to the Translation Corner for verification. They're the only ones on this site that we can trust to deliver the correct translations of each character's name, their given name and their surname. Arrancar109 (Talk)  17:05, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

His name is "Senjumaru Shutara (Shutara Senjumaru)"... but his gender is "Unknown"? Is a trap xD Jakou (talk) 13:55, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Senju means "Thousand Hands" which reflects... his? her?.... its abilities.--Black Butler94 (talk) 15:58, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually both Senju and Senshu are correct readings for the kanji and applied to a name it's normal for some phonemes to change. It's probably Senjumaru, though, since MS usually gets the kanji reading correct while MP tends to mess it up a little (like the "Gekka Tenshou" case), but the best is to wait for the raw to come out. - Gorenja (talk) 16:33, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Mangastream did Gekka Tensho as well. Based on their translation of 517, I'm inclined to say that they should never ever be trusted again, especially after in 516 they attributed Ichigo's dialogue to Shunsui and changed it so that it would make sense to readers.--
 * I'm not saying their translation is good or not. I am just saying they usually get the furigana right. This has nothing to do with translating something, but just knowing how it is supposed to be pronounced (the furigana are the small hiragana/katakana over a kanji). I, for myself, can do this perfectly even though I am completely unable to translate shit in japanese - you just need to know how to pronounce the kanas, you don't need to know what they mean. Maybe Mangapanda translation is better, I don't know, but they usually get the furigana wrong while the Mangastream doesn't (on the other hand, the Mangapanda is much better when it comes to romanizing the german terms related to the quincies). But, again, just with the raw to be sure which one is correct this time. - Gorenja (talk) 17:11, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

RAW is out, here his/her name: http://i.imgur.com/ATLjU.png Mangastream was right this time: it's Senjumaru (せんじゅまる), not Senshumaru (せんしゅまる). - Gorenja (talk) 12:02, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * We are waiting for confirmation from our translators.--

Her name has been determined by the translation corner to be Senjumaru Shutara, until such time as Kubo list it specifically.--

Kidō?
Did she use a forbidden kido to get the injured characters and Ichigo's bankai? Since we never saw her actually move (correct me if I'm wrong) to go get them I don't see how she could have gotten them. Unless her arms could stretch that far, which I highly doubt.--Balsalom (talk) 00:26, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * We don't know.--

Trivia
Could it be added to the trivia that the crescent shaped horns/headpiece on her head closely resembles the one that Nnoitra possessed? --Starrkimaru (talk) 20:47, November 23, 2012 (UTC)Starrkimaru
 * We don't do character comparison unless stated in the series such as Ichigo and Kaien.--

Division 12
It was implied that Senjumaru Shutara was from 12th division. Everyone (on the other forums) has realized about that, so why you don't put it on the trivia? Senjumaru talked about the laboratory, and the laboratory was built after Kisuke Urahara became captain of 12th division. I think that's enough to conclude if Shutara was from 12th division, and promoted sometimes after Urahara left. Use logic. Can't you put that to the trivia section? §Captain ShutaraCaptain Shutara (talk) 05:01, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1. We don't speculate here. 2. The lab, as you said yourself, was built by Urahara. The Royal Guard is made entirely of former captains. The only captain of the 12th division after Urahara was Mayuri. Ergo, no, your logic fails..--
 * You will find the Bleach Wiki:Speculation Policy here, even in the Trivia section we never speculate!!
 * 1. Happy New Year, 2. I feel sorry with your logic odisme, ugh! 3. We do not speculate, the lab was built AFTER Urahara became captain, and Shutara implied if she was there once. Simple logic? Shutara was once worked in the lab which was built under Urahara's captainship. Simple, right, Captain Shutara


 * I dont recall any forum having the right to dictate something not known. Whether you attribute it to logic, its more then likely fan assumptions, which are not equal to an actual fact. Tite Kubo writes the story, what you state is not fact nor even stated remotely. It can be easily said as well that the Royal Guard have visited and interacted with the current Gotei 13 before, maybe when Hikfune was promoted or who knows how often. What is implied is that she knows Mayuri somehow, but then that same implication can be said of any member of the Royal Guard in relation of them being acquainted with the Gotei 13 members. whatever the case one cant make assumptions and then say well we all got together and determined that something with many possibilities is logical therefore its fact. Unless stated in the story we dont jump to possibilities of what may have happened. Also for future reference this site deals in information directly from the manga and official releases by kubo, we dont determine nor involve ourselves in what is determined in any forums, they deal in what ifs and maybes of presented content. Speculating wildly is what they do, we just list what information already exists from the actual creator. Unless verified in the series no speculations are valid and therefore remain out of the articles.--