Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-25360536-20140916202609/@comment-26226516-20150321052243

Salubri wrote: First of all fact is Irooni was established to be a highly dangerous ability by Starrks on deduction. Its a color based game and by whats actually depicted its quite clear that the colors are based on what they are wearing and not their skin color so that argument is baseless and shows a complete lack of knowledge on content. It was a devastating attack because it is far more dangerous to call the color your wearing then the color your opponent is wearing. (http://www.mangapanda.com/94-32543-17/bleach/chapter-374.html) Secondly the argument being made about the hollow hole is a non-issue. The hollow hole is just that a hole, cutting across it or stabbing through it is both as pointless as if it was a hole in a piece of paper. Third Ichigo killing Ulquiorra you can argue up and down about the hollow form ichigo took even though it was hinted at multiple times in the series and is far more legitimate (given what we know of ichigo's background) then the Resurrección: Segunda Etapa that Ulquiorra pulled out of nowhere. Also Bykauya didnt use Gokei against Ichigo he used Shukei: Hakuteiken, and they both were equally injured so ichigo didnt just win outright. In both fights with ichigo vs byakuya and grimmjow he overcomes them after being defeated previously it didnt happen in a first appearance nor was it at the beginning of the last fights, it took consistent effort as in both he was struggling. Maybe it would help to be a little more objective and actually read and understand the content instead of just wishing your favorite group should win. While its true that the protagonist is always set up to win in most stories (in which case if you dont like it then dont read such stories) The only plot holes in these points are the ones you conveniently make yourself.

Shunsui changed his colour to black as his target, he did not hit the colour black because you can't hit a hole and the rules of Iro Oni state you have to cut that colour. Even with you get hit on the colour you call out Starrk would be fine because if I have to get pedantic about colours I will, since his skin colour would technically be in the cream range of the colour spectrum. As for Ulquiorra's Segunda Etapa that was not BS because Arrancar are a parallel to the vizards so the Zanpakutou having two release states for both Arrancar and Shinigami is not BS. Byakuya did use Gokei against Ichigo but it was trumped by Ichigos speed and power straight away. If Zomari had of died to Shukei: Hakuteiken that would of been more acceptable. I have no issues with those who are on the side of the protagonist winning but it should make sense. Back to Iro Oni the rules are as follows call out a colour that colour is the colour you can cut. If the colour is of greater proportion to the rest you deal more damage. You can also be cut on the colour you call out. You can also be cut on and cut the colour your opponent calls out. If we are to assume that colour like cream which is a mix is to be counted as white since it is part their of that may be fine but it still doesn't make up for Starrks defeat.

Now if Iro Oni does give a drastic increase to damage then Shunsui should of died when Starrk cut his back across the spine. Since they were both wearing white and white boosted Starrks damage if by the statements of others is factual then that cut across the top of his spine should of killed him or at least paralyzed him from the shoulders down. But since it didn't the damage increase can't be that great as to affect Starrk in his release state with Heirro strong enough to take no damage from a masked Love's shikai attack then Starrk by the authors own rules must survive that attack. Since he was felled in a single strike to the torso the only vital organ that could be hit in the location of the hole in a upwards strike is the heart. Now since Kenpachis fight with Nnoitra proved the Holllow hole is exempt from attacks causing damage to the respective Hollow Shunsuis upward strike must not affect Starrks heart and Shunsui did not extend the strike to the collar bone so no arteries were cut. Sorr for the long post but despite Shunsui being one of my favorites his victory against Starrk is BS unless it is to be revealed Starrk faked his death, Shunsuis games effect him to a lesser extent if it would be beneficial to him to do so or he can rig or cheat in his games.