Forum:Inconsistency between chapter 397 and 398



Alright folks, given the madness that descended on the Bleach fandom following release of chapter 397, I felt that it was important to relay here the message released by Mangastream regarding the inconsistency between chapter 397 and chapter 398. To keep a long story short, "because you are a shinigami and a..." line from chapter 397 is one of the most over analysed lines in Bleach history. The blank has been filled with all sorts of things and I think by now all and sundry know what I think of the vast quantity of rubbish that filled the blank. However, it would appear that the line was most likely a misprint and was always meant to be "because you are a human and a..." cue entrance of Isshin. However, we will not know for certain until the chapter comes out in volume form. Make of that what you will. Tinni  (Talk)  13:24, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Probably also worth noting that Cnet had this to say about it in Ch.397: "Translating incomplete sentences is always a pain. I think the complete sentence is probably "For you are the offspring of a Shinigami and a human". All he actually gets out is the "For you are" and "a Shinigami and" parts." -- Yyp (Talk) 08:48, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion
Yes Tinni I noticed that as well and was a little confused. Now if they originally meant to say human then that makes more sense and then enter Isshin. This as you also stated could mean anything but there are very little in the way of different races here. the list is relatively small. I would say that the insinuation is that Ichigo is Human and Shinigmai. But thats to basic and not accurate. Human and Hollow-Shinigami Hybrid maybe. We wont know yet for a while but the respective categories are (Human/Quincy, Hollow, Soul, Shinigami, Hollow-Shinigami Hybrid=Vizard/? and Shinigami-Hollow Hybrid=Arrancar). Its apparent that the Arrancar and Hollow are out of the equation as well as common soul and endangered and unique Quincy. It is distinctive that he is the only character in the series existing between the world of the living and the afterlife. Humans haven't exhibited anything special in comparison to the other races and are largely defenseless and unimportant but apparently thats not entirely the case. The unique and rare powers of Chad and Orihime are not deeply touched upon with Chads appearing somewhat similar to a hollows and Orihime's appearing similar to both a unique form of kido and Zanpakuto but has the distinction of being the only power that treads into the territory of the gods. Whats even more distinctive is that these powers were sparked by their interactions with Ichigo. The key is obviously his extremely high spiritual power. Unfortunately for us its all conjecture until such time it is accurately explained. Conveniently with all of his talking about the subject, Aizen has done more dancing around the subject rather then plainly stating what could clear up alot of the issues here.Salubri (Talk)  14:36, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I would have thought it would be obvious why Ichigo would be the perfect research subject for Aizen simply by having a human mother and a shinigami father. Two words: shattered shaft! Ichigo is the only person who could become a vizard through the shattered shaft preciously because he is human. Or rather, I should say, because he is the child of a shinigami and a human. Don't get me wrong, Masaki may still be a quincy. That has not been excluded yet. However, I can only hope that this new development at least stops the ridiculous crack theory that Masaki is a hollow/Arrancar! Hollows/Arrancar can't reproduce and certainly Ichigo wouldn't be human to begin with if neither of his parents were human! The idea is so absurd that I am shocked and disappointed that it is still making the rounds in the forums! I think it is becoming increasingly clear that Ichigo's power comes exclusively from his father. His human side has power too but power of a different kind. Emotional kind, not the "Rawr! Look at my big sword!" kind. If you will recall, that was what was most amazing about his mother. Her kindness, her warmth and her willingness to sacrifice herself for her children. In short, Masaki's powers were those of an ordinary human. Tinni  (Talk)  14:52, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I would agree with that assessment about his mother. Though It also makes Ichigo unable to think rationally when facing opponents. Shinigami in contrast seem cold but they are thinking about the big picture and the concept of kill or be killed. Mercy is a common concept that has no place in their world, when they take out their zanpakuto to fight its serious. Countless times Ichigo's empathy has kept him from killing opponents that would not hesitate to kill him given the chance. Far to often he tries to talk about it and be reasonable at the last minute. This is humanity showing through but suffice to say that its more a deterrence in that situation, where on the positive side his raw emotions provides more force of will to his spiritual power. That helps Aizen in whatever he wanted to use him for and beating the odds, but I think we cracked why Ichigo fluctuates in power, he's indecisive and doesn't control his emotions like a normal Shinigami.Salubri (Talk)  15:10, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'm really quite curious as to whether anybody had put forth the idea or considered the possibility that this is not a mistake. Rather, it is Kubo's way of sneaking in the complete statement. The end of 397 and beginning of 398 are meant to be read as one statement, essentially. To me, this was done entirely intentionally and everyone's making a fuss over nothing. -Electric Turahk (Talk) 22:24, April 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * That would be a little silly. Firstly, saying "because you are a human and..." and following that with the entrance of the Isshin is enough to complete the sentence. Especially given how things are worded in chapter 398. So there is no need to "sneak" anything in. On the other hand if the line was really meant to be "because you are a shinigami and..." and followed by the entrance of Isshin, then it raises the question "and a what?". I.e. that sentence construct leaves something hanging. While saying "because you are a human and..." cue Isshin, does not leave anything hanging. So no, I am fairly certain it was not deliberate but merely a mistake. What sickens me is that people are still running with the mistake and maintaining the theory that Masaki might be a Hollow/Arrancar >.< Really people! Give it up already! Tinni   (Talk)  04:05, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

It's no use Tinni, once people get an idea bout what they think right in the story, it takes more than a nuke to kill the idea until the truth is actually shown. Personally i agreed with you, no Arrancar/Hollow. Besides it's pretty obvious since, as you and everyone with a little sense said repeatedly, ''"because you are a human and..." cue Isshin'' MAKES THE MOST SENSE!!!!!! and just to screw with them :D "because you are a human/shinigami and..........MOD SOUL.....thats right, Kon is actually your brother!!!!!!!!" queue Ichigo's mind exploding :DAuronValentine 09:14, April 6, 2010 (UTC)