Talk:Tōshirō Hitsugaya

Please dun mix Byakuya's with Toshiro's page

Protagonist
Excuse me but... Since when he is "along with Ichigo Kurosaki and Rukia Kuchiki, one of the three central protagonists of the series" (?) i know he's one of the most popular bleach characters so far, but despiting this and the fact that he's the central character in Bleach:The DiamonDust Rebellion, he's just another cool character in Bleach major story just like Byakuya Kuchiki, Grimmjow Jeagerjaques, Urahara Kisuke or Zennosuke Kurumadani as well. Maul day 09:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say he's a "central protagonist", but he is an important character. At least, until Halibel finishes wiping the floor with him.  I'd argue that Byakuya and Urahara are more important, though.  Big red01027 19:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think he's a main protagonist during the Aizen Incident, but later becomes less important. Suzumushi
 * I agree with you, Suzumushi. But I think he's one of the central protagonists because he's one of the only charaters in the series who starred in a Bleach movie. Ernestpun

Hyōrinmaru's debut
is it really in the diamond dust rebellion? Since that film is set after the soul society arcs I would have thought it came out after Hyōrinmaru is revealed in the anime. Old-one-eye 15:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I sense a disturbance in the fandom
Ok this is a forum type of conversation, it does not belong on the talk page as it is entirely based on individual opinions and not anything relevant about the character profile. Salubri 16:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I moved this discussion to Forum:Hitsugaya's fate, so debate all you want there. Fact of the matter is that Hitsugaya's fate is considered "heavily wounded" until more concrete evidence in the manga says him to be dead. Also, for those who think otherwise, it is only Hitsugaya's UPPER-RIGHT PART OF HIS BODY that was cut away. If you look at the page shot, Halibel's cut barely goes past his waistline, if it goes past it at all. If you think otherwise, debate it on the forum link I posted, NOT here. Arrancar109 17:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Temporary Protection
This page has been temporarily protected for 1 day due to constant changes over one particular issue. Salubri 16:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

This page has been temporarily protected until the next chapter, which is to be determined as of the release in relation to Golden Week, due to constant changes over one particular issue. Salubri 22:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Unprotected, there has been no major spoilers this week on that page, plus, locking a page due to an editing war is not our admin-policy, talk with the user instead, please.

Even if we did, I don't think it matters at this point. I saw nobody attempting to change it (though that might change), and I worded it in a way that's vague and can be interpreted either way by anyone who reads it. Arrancar109 20:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Talking was done with everyone who was involved in it got no where they still decided to do what they wanted as there are alot of people that hate toshiro for whatever reason. Its like more often then not they dont care they do what they want, like the same with the spoiler thing and the worst part was it was people that have been here not new people. Salubri 02:07, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Ice Clone skill in Bankai?
According to the latest manga, he had shown to use an ice made clone to fight with Halibel before he fights her by himself. He can only use this skill once per Bankai release. Shouldn't we add this skill to his Bankai abilities?--Kroduz 07:13, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

thats where its at. Salubri 11:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes but it did not state that he can use the skill ONCE per Bankai. --Kroduz 14:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

ugh it clearly states that as well. Salubri 15:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Tensō Jūrin
Can't we add Tensō Jūrin as a shikai ability as well? We have seen him do it in the manga while in shikai. 

And, Toshiro just confirmed in 359 that the ability can be used while in shikai. Also, the little flashback on that page confirms the ability I linked to first is the same technique.MVPVasto 20:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok first you made false statements. No where did he say it affected a 7 mile radius and at no time did he discuss it with izura kia. secondly while he does mention its use outside of bankai he has never used it until this past chapter in battle and so named. Third under his shikai its mentioned the weather changed in his fight. Though it is most likely the ability he wasnt using it for battle and as is inferred by him the power is immature and it obviously has a greater power in bankai mode. He was in bankai mode when he presented it. so the power is fully listed in shikai as it is used during that mode though without name as there would be no point as it wasnt used for fighting and it is fully explained under bankai when he actually stated its use. Salubri 20:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

During the chapter Hitsugaya had a flashback to his fight with Gin Ichimaru, where he told the others (Rangiku with the unconscious Momo I believe) to flee because he still had difficulty manipulating Hyorinmaru's weather-controlling abilities. He was in shikai at the time - the ability he was using was Tenso Jurin, as he revealed in this chapter. The point of this is that he has never attempted to use it while in bankai - Hyoten Hyakkaso is (apparently) a bankai-exclusive expansion to the ability. Mohrpheus 20:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry im confused when was this flash back i remember the fight but there hasnt been a flashback in anything recent and conveniently no one names a chapter or page. Im going from the relevant chapter its named and actually used in combat, in either case its as i said before what little he has done in shikai with the ability is listed under that category. I never said it wasnt used before and im pretty sure most of those who were around when it was mentioned dont truly no of it as he even states he doesnt use it really, anything he said was in passing. Him using and detailing no carries more weight then he maybe sort of kind of using it in a fight during the beginning of the series. Salubri 23:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

It was on page 6 of 359. It wasn't really a flashback per se, but it was a reference to the time he previously used the ability (the shaded panels are from a very early chapter, the number eludes me). So basically, the weather manipulating ability mentioned in the profile's shikai section is indeed Tenso Jurin. Mohrpheus 23:39, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok i actually looked at the recent chapter and your right no flashback but what was actually amazing was there was no reference to anything previous, i know this cause i went and looked up the chapter with the situation your talking about and not once did he even allude to the power. In fact what was said was that gin told izuru he should move back if he didnt want to die and hitsuguya tells izuru that what he should actually do is leave and that if he doesnt leave and doesnt go farther then 7 miles he cant promise him he wont get dragged into the fight that is about to take place between the two captains. In fact the only one to mention controlling the weather was izuru when hitsuguya released his shikai against gin and izuru commented on how it was the first time he saw it and how its the most powerful ice zanpakuto in all of the soul society. He is also the one that says it has power over water and the weather itself, not hitsuguya. Also none of the panels from the current chapter correspond to anything in the one detailing the past confrontation. Salubri 00:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

You're missing the point - since it was first revealed, Hyorinmaru has been shown to have the ability to manipulate the weather, with the ability's name being revealed only now. I made an error regarding the flashback, but my point still stands. Toshiro specifically stated in this chapter that he can use Tenso Jurin in both shikai and bankai, but that he has never used it in the latter before. Tenso Jurin was the ability he was using against Gin, seeing as the ability's current description matches it exactly. Therefore, the ability should be referenced as "Tenso Jurin" in the shikai section. Mohrpheus 14:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I actually think your missing the point, if you read what i originally wrote i never said he didn't use it in shikai before. Secondly its common knowledge it controls water, ice and the weather so thats not disputed either. But as far as your referencing his fight with Gin your wrong, i looked it up yesterday also something i previously wrote. He used his normal shikai attack against him, no weather control abilities were used in the battle. Once again under the shikai section it states the minor control in weather and the doesnt count as the actual attack that he does currently in any case you can see chapter 132 for yourself. Ill place it under shikai because i think it wont be out of place, but your referencing is wrong it was never used as an attack and there is no real description of the ability its just what is shown. Salubri 17:02, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

You were right about the whole Gin fight, so I'm sorry if I sounded uncouth about the matter. I see that Tenso Jurin was added to his shikai abilities, but I think that Hyoten Hyakkaso is a bankai-exclusive expansion of it. Sorry if I am annoying you by dragging out this matter, but I just want to make sure that things are 100% accurate. Mohrpheus 19:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Well i put it up there because its a facet of the weather control ability foremost but you might be right on that. Salubri 19:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe Tenso Jurin's power is half(maybe less or more) when in Shikai, full power in Bankai with limiter released, so thats why he used it towards Gin in Soul Society(maybe is because he doesn't want to destroy the building). --Kroduz 06:33, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Hyoten Hyakkaso
I think I'm not the only one who noticed that Hyoten Hyakkaso is somehow similar to Yumichika's Ruri'iro Kujaku (flowers that incapacitate the opponent and kill them, though by different methods). Should thid be added to the trivia section? Lia Schiffer 07:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Thats kind of reaching yes they both have flowers a common motif in japan. Other then that Yumichika's ability is a mix between a peacocks feathers/vines that grab an opponent and drain their spiritual energy which flowers bloom and he can eat them and gain the opponents spiritual energy thus killing them. Hitsuguya's ability just has snow that when touching an opponent turns into ice flowers covering the opponent which then freezes and when the petals fall they die. The methods arent really that defined to be similar any more then they have flowers and that the flowers are involved in taking the opponent out. I Jjust dont see it enough to actually warrant a mention on the profile, can it actually be defined as a fact or is that a fan opinion. Mainly because the quotes and trivia section get filled with speculation and quotes that arent really quotes but random talking that doesnt define the person and they end up having to be cleaned up. Salubri 12:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)