Talk:Izuru Kira/Archive 1

Zanpakuto Description
Does the zanpakuto section really require that long mathematical example? Mentioning that Wabisuke doubles weight is easy enough to understand - taking up half of the section with a winding example is completely unnecessary. Mohrpheus 00:23, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. It should be shortened & there are some mistakes in the article. I will begin editing this section shortly, though u can go ahead if u want(but think carefully on how u edit it). Minato88 00:26, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

It does sort of illustrate how effectively Kira uses its ability though. There had to have been some debate for it to appear in an article in a first place too. --Licourtrix 00:40, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

I tried to remove it a long while back, and the only justification for it being reverted by an admin at the time was that "I was removing a large portion of the section." Not to mention that it is more descriptive of Izuru's strategy in battle. Otherwise it could warrant a part in every zanpakuto section describing how it is used in battle. Mohrpheus 00:45, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

To a degree there is a similar section for most zanpakuto, especially Renji. I agree its long winded but if you think "cumulatively increases the weight of whatever it strikes" is sufficient I'm not gonna try to revert it.--Licourtrix 00:49, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Please do not remove that description. Kira himself provides it when he fights Matsumoto. Therefore, he clearly feels that it is necessary for people to properly understand how awesome his zanpakuto is. So please just leave it in there. Thank you. Tinni 00:53, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * PS. I will revert any removal. Tinni 00:53, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but the wiki's purpose is to summarize information, not give it word-for-word straight from the character's mouth. If his description is truly that important, then it belongs in the quote section. Mohrpheus 00:55, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

@ Morpheus & Licourtrix. I didn't say to remove anything. There are some things that has been stated twice & incorrectly & I think I can shorten it. Give me some time to look it over, cause I want to think about how it should be changed. Minato88 00:58, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Apologies. I should have been more specific - I don't want it removed, I just want it to be replaced with something a little more concise. Mohrpheus 01:00, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

I am not even sure why you are making such a big deal out of this. The description through example is usually the best way to explain something like this. The section can be shortened because we really don't need it to go upto 320 Ibs. It can very well stop around 80 Ibs. But the example is a good one and contribute towards ease of understanding. Tinni 01:03, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Like I said, it was really just the length of the example that was bugging me. I have no qualms about it being shortened. I just didn't want to edit it myself this time. Mohrpheus 01:07, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I've got my idea & I will begin editing. Tinni u can monitor my change & if u don't like it u can just undo it. I want to make this just one change so for the next 5 minutes please don't edit anything on Izurus page. Thank u. Minato88 01:09, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

I think it looks perfectly acceptable now. Mohrpheus 01:22, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

It look good. Great job. Tinni 01:44, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Zanpakuto translation
Wabisuke (侘助; roughly "Miserable Man," translated in the English manga as "the penitent one")

There are multiple possible translations given but we only need one and the most accurate would be the best. Salubri (Talk)  19:18, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Wabisuke

This is an especially troublesome name. The element wabi is spelled with 侘 which can mean "(be) proud" (though mostly when read hokoru) but also "(be) lonely, wretched"--perhaps a not-unfamiliar-to-English notion of excessive pride leading to haughtiness and so alienation of others?--but wabiru "be worried, (ag)grieved; pine for" and wabishii "wretched, lonesome, comfortless" is usually written with the similar kanji 佗. A third, but again different kanji that can read wabi, 詫, means "apology, excuse."

The suffix -suke 助, apparently signifying "aide, one who helps," is frequent in masculine given names, including Ki suke Urahara (although Sou suke Aizen spells this element with the alternate kanji 介 "medium" to give a sense, I suppose, "one who helps as though a mediator"). However, I think the sense "aide" for -suke should be downplayed, even as I do the sense "full, whole" for -maru, as the full signifance of their meanings has seemingly been worn down by use as such common suffixes--even as -ful "full" in beautiful etc. has been watered down to mean "thing with beauty" instead of "thing full of beauty."

Thus, I would translate "(the) wretched" or "(the) wretched one." This takes into account the actual kanji used in the name, the most frequent meaning of these closely-intertwined (and so oft confused) words read with wabi-, and the semantic weakening of -suke as a kind of adjective-nominalizer. It even still well relates to Kira's release call for Wabisuke, "lift (up) your face," as one can easily picture a wretched or forlorn person fallen on their face, their head bowed to the ground, in their grief or remorse. Adam Restling 06:51, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Romanji needs to be changed
It should be "romaji" not "romanji". Even Wikipedia agrees with this. There is an article stating that it is often misspelled as "romanji". The Sapphire Dragon 01:16, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Romanization
I was checking on my Japanese volume 40 on the Zanpakuto popularity poll and I looked closer at Kira's picture and his name is romanized as Iduru. How is that possible? The drawing for those pictures is done by Tite Kubo himself, and the Katakana for his name doesn't point towards Iduru in any possible way. I thought it could be a printing error, but I checked the picture we have here in the wikia and it has Iduru too. Any idea? I'm not suggesting we change the romanization, based on the Kana and the pronunciation on the anime, Izuru makes much more sense (not to mention it looks much better in my opinion), I just bring it up because I can't help wondering why is it romanized that way. Lia Schiffer 01:59, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Apparently early translations for the series were off a bit, as some of the letters and words in japanese are interchangeable. Meaning the same thing but spelled differently. In some cases those translating are just off on the correct translation or used the closest thing possible. In this instance im not entirely sure but it could be any one of those situations as upon Zaraki's intro in the SS arc his entire name was spelled all types of crazy, im happy that that didn't last. Salubri (Talk)  02:53, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

You are correct, it does say Iduru. The picture was drawn by Kubo and he might have done the typesetting as well. Why it is the way it is I am not sure. "Iduru" is already in his article and he does pronounce "Izuru" in the anime. So this is interesting but non-issue. Kubo will have to bring out something more substantial then a tiny text on a popularity poll picture to establish Iduru as the romanization. Tinni  (Talk)  05:05, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Appearance
Adding this picture for appearance as everybody has one

I don't see how having this image will add anything to the article. There are no features in it that are not evident in the other images on the article. -- Yyp (Talk) 21:49, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

zanpakuto picture
Hey, shouldn't we change Kira's zanpakuto pic? It has the 90 degrees angle at another angle.Tensa Zabimaru 09:14, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Where did you get it? -- WhiteArmor  (Talk)  10:04, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Iduru Kira
Now that the databook has been released, name errors are coming to light. It indicates this character's name is Iduru Kira. I don't have a quotable source though, so I'm just mentioning it in here now. Damascus7 (talk) 05:49, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

First of all, never merge the Talk Header with your post. Secondly, the administrators are currently handling everything regarding the new databook, so it has already been noted. Until we can get everything sorted out, we will be the only ones handling everything regarding the new databook. Arrancar109 (Talk)  05:54, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Wabisuke's Shikai Image
I feel as though the current image illustrating Wabusike's shikai is unsatisfactory. It's low quality for one thing, and the camera isn't really focused on the blade itself. I thought perhaps a better image could be taken from the first time his shikai is invoked during Izuru's fight with Rangiku. I'm not sure which episode it was, but if memory serves, there's a pretty dramatic shot of its new shape. If anyone has a reason for keeping the current image, though, that'd be fine, too. Avolling (talk) 21:32, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, I guess. Looks like someone found a better image. Thanks! Avolling (talk) 05:18, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Eye color
I just found a HQ picture of the Lieutenant spread that shows Kira's eyes as being brown, but I wanted to corroborate before changing anything in the Appearance section, so I checked the color spread for the Zanpakuto Poll and it shows his eyes are grey, so which one should we use? Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  21:11, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Well, since there are two conflicting manga sources, I think we should go by the anime until we have another manga source to verify. Since the anime shows his eyes as gray and there is one manga source to back this up, we should use that.--God (Pray)  22:05, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Aren't his eyes blue in the anime? That's what we have in the article, though I can't really tell by the picture, but they look blue, and card gums and DVD covers show them as blue. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  23:35, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Truly, they look grey to me. Well then if they are blue im lost. I think it should be blue then as it is the only consistent source we have--God (Pray)  00:11, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

They look blue to me in his picture from his academy days. Media:Vlcsnap-1971888.png Ltjuno (talk) 00:21, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

I checked all my anime screencaps and they are blue in the anime. But our policy says that we take manga colors to describe characters. Hence why I find myself so lost. Because the only two sources I found have different colors. There's another color spread for another poll (the third, I think for 11th to 20th or something like that), but you can't really see his eyes there, and the Bootleg shows his eyes as black dots. And there are color pages for chapter 323, but I couldn't see his eye color clearly either. Volume cover 15 doesn't show his face good enough to catch his eyes. Currently, I've run out of ideas as to where to search for any other color spread to confirm his eye color. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  00:32, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand what you mean with manga taking priority over anime. But, if nothing can be found as far as the manga goes. Then we should definitely go with blue. Ltjuno (talk) 00:40, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well the anime policy states that manga always trumps anime but only in clearly defined circumstances, if I remember correctly, in an ambiguous case where the manga is inconsistent, the anime can be used as it is consistent. The precedent for this was Tosen bankai rings.--God (Pray)  00:46, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

But in Tosen's bankai rings case, the anime was preferred where it matched the manga (9 rings). In this case, the anime doesn't match any of the manga sources. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  01:53, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Armbands?
i thought it was hisagi who used the armbands that explode but on kira's page it says he uses them

It is, but he also used one once in the anime to let off a distracting explosion to unnerve Kazeshini. (Zanpakuto unknown tales arc) Please sign your posts with four tildes (four of these: ~)Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk)  22:14, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Dead?
In Chapter 494, Kira's midsection is blown off and his Reiatsu vanishes according to Akon, as he declares 1000 shinigami dead. Does this mean we have lost Kira?

Wow, we're really jumping the gun here, aren't we? We're not going to consider Izuru dead as of yet, because he wasn't specifically stated to be dead, nor did we get factual proof that he died. Yes his wound is serious, likely even fatal, but keep in mind Hiyori was bifurcated in Fake Karakura Town, and she survived that. So his status will be kept as alive until it is stated that he is dead, or proven that he is dead. Arrancar109 (Talk)  12:32, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Shinten
Is there an official description on what shinten is. Is is it a drug developed by 12th div scientist. Does every shinigami carry shinten on them, ect...--Urie12 (talk) 02:46, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * To my knowledge, only Kira has ever been shown using it. I wouldn't be surprised if it were carried by members of the 4th Division, but that's just what I think. I don't believe an official description has ever been provided.--Xilinoc (talk) 03:32, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hanatarō was first shown using it. It's exactly what he says it is. Mohrpheus   (Talk)  03:42, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * In which chapter did Hanataro use Shinten.--Urie12 (talk) 20:42, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Chapter 115.--Xilinoc (talk) 04:59, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

First Manga Appearance
The character page says that Izuru's first manga appearance is in chapter 83, but he is also listed under characters who appear in chapter 72. The manga image in question is not very good, so a vote to determine if it is Kira, or not, is probably required. Stefan (Shikai - &#34;Rust &#38; Shatter&#34;) (talk) 22:51, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Correction made. Thanks for pointing out the error. 11:21, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Inzuru's Fate
Since we have know idea whether he's alive or dead should'nt we list his current fate as unknown? Mr.Rig and Zig (talk) 18:49, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * The article already states what is known, and that is that Kira got a giant hole blasted through him, and that he fell to the ground with a shocked expression. This is the exact reason why the "status" parameter was removed from the character infoboxes, as to avoid people constantly changing it between "alive" and "dead". The raw facts are in the appropriate part of the plot section, and that's how it will stay until we have explicit confirmation one way or the other.

OK thanks for informing me Mr.Rig and Zig (talk) 19:36, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Intro
It says "Izuru Kira (吉良 イヅル, Kira Izuru) is the lieutenant of the 3rd Division in the Gotei 13, under Captain Rōjūrō Ōtoribashi." In Hinamori's nad Hisagi's articles it says that they were formerly under Aizen and Tosen. Shouldn't it be the same with Kira, regarding Ichimaru? Night486 (talk) 18:14, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Valid point, it's been fixed. Thanks for pointing it out.--Xilinoc (talk) 20:03, September 29, 2013 (UTC)