Talk:Ashido Kanō

Bankai?
Isn't it entirely possible Ashido has attained bankai,as it is stated he has been fightng hollows for centuries?

Our policy is that unless a character is a captain, until they show that they have achieved Bankai, we mark that they have not achieved it.--God (Pray)  02:53, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

I would agree that it should maybe be Unknown as opposed to not achieved. He is probable the most likely non captain not shown using Bankai to have achieved it..

Again, we have a policy on this. It was never said he had achieved Bankai and we will not speculate that he did. End of discussion--

Several missing info
1) Only 2 of the 3 fights Ashido had with Adjuchas before meeting up with Ichigo are noted. Yes, the one where Rukia announces she's 'not dead weight' also counts, because he loses his mask then.

2) Only on par with normal adjuchas and officer level? Rukia was strong enough to send Aaroniero flying back with her power when she got angry, yet most of the time she could barely follow Ashido's movements, and the normal adjuchas, with the exception of the most powerful and experianced adjuchas in the menos forest, he completely outmatches. (losing his mask while protecting Rukia doesn't count). The most recent editor is trying to make it sound like his abilities are only officer level and less then vice-captain level.

3) Ability to slice menos from distance while unreleased the same way Kenpachi sliced a building in half, but on a smaller scale maybe. Note worthy considering its a visible skill, at least in swordsmanship skills since its not a named technique.

4) When I read his Shunpo skill, it makes it sound like he does not use shunpo for combat, but only for defence and movement. However, he used Shunpo to kill 6 menos within one second faster then Rukia could see. On top of that, when he saved Rukia for the first time, he did a double shunpo that was faster then a cero to grab her to safety. Considering its an ability that made one of the most important main characters of bleach alive, its more then noteworthy.

Arrancar109 is going to overhaul this article.--

On top of that, I have to tell you that you can't really use the Aaroniero fight here mostly because Aaroniero doesn't take Rukia seriously throughout the entire fight. Rukia is confirmed to be on-par with officer-level Shinigami, but not Lieutenant-level, and Rukia is the only Shinigami Ashido fights. Trying to say anything further would be speculation. Arrancar109 (Talk)  06:51, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

That is mostly false. Aaroniero uses his full released sword's lieutenant class strength against Rukia when he unleashes Nejibana, and he was one of the strongest lieutenant's, a prodigy. And while he knew most of her skills perfectly, as all master do, Rukia was able to fight on par with him for quite a while before finally getting disarmed. I could go further in saying that she was able to overwelm him and possibly seriously injure him with kido, but I know its a loss cause to say that, I understand the policies. I know that no matter how many times her unrestrained powers seem to waver between lieutenant and even captain depending on the arc, you can't say she's lieutenant class until someone actaully says it. I get that. Everyone knows she surpassed a lot of lieutenant's a long time ago, but until someone says it, you can't say it.

But that's not even the point. It still says 'fight on par'. If you can't even follow the movements of the person you are fighting for 70% of the time, its not 'on par', it means that if they are serious about killing you, your dead in a second. I mean, do you really think for a second that Aaroniero, with a lieutenant elite body, was faster then Ashido? Using Rukia as a gauge, that would be a huge lie. There is a huge difference between being nearly a match in speed, which Rukia and Aaroniero was, and completely overwelmed which Rukia was to Ashido in combat, and when observing him in combat, his overwelming speed and power drove Ruka to the point where Rukia commented that his power with an unreleased sword....was as equivalant to a bankai. Fact. Forgive me when I say this, but please, don't bother responding if you don't intend to address that comment. If Rukia is officer level only, she's of the highest rank, but Ashido's movements were completely invisible to her for most of the time. I can list on 8 different occasions where his speed completely overwelmed her senses. He fought her until he could measure her strength was high enough to fight gillian and adjuchas level opponants, who, with the exception of the elite hole-through-the-heart adjuchas, he dominates in fights. I mean, he still matched almost every single move the monster had, but Rukia was helpful in giving the final blow. Arrancar109, your speculating Ashido is a lot weaker then he actually is, ignoring blatent proof of his superior fighting skills. If he really has been fighting for several hundred years, then he's one of the oldest shinigami in bleach, with the exception of the 4 oldest captains. That with all the overwelming knowledge....you still belittle him to 'on par with officer class'? I'll hear your justification.