Forum:Tousen Undercover

Ok so I made this thread basically because it was mentioned by another user in the "Who will kill Aizen?" thread. The theory goes that Tosen is secretly planning to kill aizen, mostly due to the fact that he said "the path i walk IS justice"

because i think anyone with a functioning mind can tell that leading an army of bloodthirsty hollows is not the path with least bloodshed. he probably meant that he was going to end the bloodshed by killing aizen. will this is just another theory, and i do not entirely believe it, but i wanted to see everyone discuss it XD-deikuzutsu

I think it was brought up before but, I serious doubt he is plotting anything. Tosen seems as one of the poor individuals who believes in something profound and substantial but ends up being manipulated by someone evil or crazy. His philosophy is grand and all and leads him to conflict with Zaraki but whens the last time Zaraki planned to wipe out an entire town of people. It doesn't make much sense for him to believe Aizen's way is better then there would have to be proof that the current way things are is exceedingly horrible, which doesn't seem to be the case. So maybe Tosen is truly blind not just physically but morally and he just uses his convenient philosophy to justify his actions. If he follows justice then whose justice? He is also in direct conflict now with Komamura his former best friend and Hisagi his former lieutenant. How would that work into his plans? Either he is easily manipulated or he is just as bad as Aizen and Gin. My theory on the three is their mental issues Aizen (Megalomaniac) Gin (Sociopath) and Tosen (Hypocrite or Delusional to the Truth).Salubri 01:20, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Possibilities I see: He's blind that Aizen's way is worse. While Aizen controlled others with sight, he controls Tosen no less by playing to his sense of justice. He sees a strong force imposing justice upon the world is better than the world as it is that took his friend. Perhaps he sees Aizen as a way to destroy the worst sources of injustice, which could be the king of soul society or something else. Going with the initial post, I could see him wanting both the Soul Reapers and Hollows, corrupt groups both, destroyed.

I think the key may be Aizen's line about how no one has stood at the top of heaven, and Tosen thinks (wrongly, judging by what Aizen would likely do with such power) if someone does so the world will change. ZeroSD 01:55, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Never underestimate the power of people to justify their own actions no matter how vile. People with the best of intentions have created some of the worst attrocities in human history and believed right to the end it was all neccessary to bring about their justice. The Khmer Rougue is an excellent example of this kind of utopianist thinking.

In Tosen's case its not the actions he takes now that matter...its the results he cares about when he finally establishes his perfect world. So killing and betraying are acceptable for now because the Path of Least Bloodshed means that it will theoretically end injustice and violence for all time. Anyway...thats the way I see it. Tosen isn't an innocent dupe...he is fully aware of what he is doing and why. Great Cthulhu 02:44, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Ahh so we are for the concept of him justifying his actions. Yea I totally agree Aizen is a master at manipulation and whether he used this skill to the extent of warping Tosen's idea of justice is not important. The fact is that Tosen either way believes that his actions are gonna be justifiable regardless of how his philosophies contradict his actions. This very issue has lessened him as a character for me. The arrancar are just doing what is natural fighting their sworn enemy or even following Aizen for whatever reason. But Tosen really has no excuse I can't find much in him worth liking. Just as Great Cthulhu mentions his very concept seems based on the type of people who do horrible things and justify their actions, even though its a false and immoral belief. I think Komamura and Hisagi are a bit naive cause they assume he can be changed i fear they will eventually realize that wont happen.Salubri 03:19, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Him to be a double agent is a possibility. To think about following the path of the least bloodshed is unrealistic from the part of a shinigami who fights against hollows since centuries, not talking about killing partners of his own kind. He could be blind not only in sight but also in mind. Or he could eventually be a sort of nihilistically blind being.Ace of Spade 04:51, September 9, 2009 (UTC)