Forum:Ikkaku and Yumichika

I wonder if they are gonna smarten up sometime, and actually use their full powers.

Plus i wonder what will happen to/become of Ikkaku since he lost his fight with the low powered whale guy to protect the pillar. I hope that Tetsuzaemon Iba's talk actually got through and he can learn how to use his bankai when needed and use his actual power to beat people.

I also think that Yumichika is probably one of the most powerful of the lower shinigami, by far. And the potential he has is unbelievable. He can kill people by draining their Reiatsu, and once they die, or get seriously wounded, (depends on if he wants to kill them or not) he can heal to full power with not a single scratch or anything. After he killed the fruity flower guy, he absorbed some of his Reiatsu and healed his broken bones and everything. That has got to be the most powerful ability thus far, if he can only learn how to use it more often, and make it even stronger... he would probably be way beyond captain lvl. I definitely hope that somewhere in the story line, the whole squad 11 learns how to use their full potential no matter what, and gets over the whole idea that they have to make themselves weak and fight by limiting themselves. I hope it all changes because if not, they will stay way under their full fighting potential. At least Kenpachi uses his full power from time to time, and enjoys being pushed to that point, Yumichika and Ikkaku both hate going to their full power, which is kinda backwards. If they are truly mirroring Kenpachi and his fighting style, then they should believe that fighting at full power, and being in a fight that will push them to their limits, would be the most enjoyable way to fight. /shrug Bk1217 07:33, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

i don't agree with u, sorry... i think the unwriten code of the 11th divion, are to be melee swords mens, on Ikkaku not useing bankai would be that he is afaid of being fouced to be a captain due to 3 empty captain sits, and of couse he don't want to leave his own captain,so he don't like useing it in fount of others.

and Yumichika can't uses his own power becasue he would be breaking the code.--Ace 08:21, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

it seems like most of the captains already know about Ikkaku's bankai anyways, and probably the same amount know about Yumichika's shikai, i just wish they would use their full power during fights.Bk1217 08:47, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Everyone else gets it right with the reasons. Also no captains save komamura know of ikkaku's bankai and he acted like he didnt hear about it. And no one at all knows about Yumichika's shikai's true power. Salubri 11:25, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

cant remember who else do, but Hisagi knows at least ;P

oops, forgot. up there, me User:Firelake

Yeah Shuhei knows about Yumichikas Shikai. So at least one person knows about his Shikai, but i'm pretty sure Shuhei told some others. At least Izuru if not more Lieus & Caps. With such a power hidden & since Kenpachi & Squad 11 in general have no real dedication to the Soul Society & its rules, it would be smart to warn other officers about Yumichikas potential in case of another incident like what had happened before during the Rescue Rukia Arc. But overall I have to agree with BK, Ikkaku needs to stop holding back(Also I think Iba's talk did knock some sense into him). Ikkaku shouldn't care what others think or say. No one can physically force him to join another squad. Besides if hes so reluctant why should he be made a captain. I mean come on he'd be a terrible captain. He has no Kido skills, his Bankai isn't perfected, his only real devotion is to Kenpachi, Yumichika, & the rules of Squad 11, not to the soul Society, plus his reluctance would be a serious strain on the squad. Minato88 18:39, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Ok i know this is for speculation but whoever wrote that above Minato88 your absolutely wrong. Yes i forgot Shuhei knows what it is but you cant say that he told anyone about it as if that was a fact which it isn't. So it stands only 4 people sans those who have fought it know of his bankai. With Yumichika has only one person who knows of his. Regarding Ikkaku everyone has ways of fighting and how they do things. Now in all situations he may or may not use his power to its full potential as most captains dont go straight to bankai if they can help it, but in this situation against Po he should have and yes he needs to get over himself as good as he is he is no captain and doesn't possess captain potential. Truth be told we have yet to see anyone with the skill or personality to be a captain that isnt or wasnt one currently or previously. He should do what needs to be done, no one is pushing Renji to a captain position and he uses his bankai well enough as well as out in the open. Salubri 19:22, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

@ Salubri, that part above my article was mine as well. I know the part about Shuhei telling others is speculation. Still, its possible(though it obviously doesn't need to be added). In fact the only one who is even probable is Izuru, since they are good friends. Minato88 23:07, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

I think there are only two potential captains in the works. That Shuhie and Kira. Momo would be next in line but she is not emotionally ready. As for Yumi only one person is the SS knows his shikai and thats Shuhei. I only know of 3 people that knows Ikkaku has bankai and thats Renji,Yumi and Iba. Maybe Ichigo but im not sure. But back on topic. I think Shuhei and Kira are the closest to mastering their Zanpakuto and have the Kido talents to be captains.Tealang99 20:03, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

The Funny thing is people constantly say "only 2 people know about Ikkaku's Bankai" or "only one person knows about Yumichika's Shikai", i do know it is all speculation until they reveal it in either the manga or anime, but we are assuming the captains are blind to their surroundings. I love it how FINALLY someone lectured Ikkaku on being stupid and holding back, therefore losing a pillar to the enemy. (which screws over the entire group as a whole, let alone the fate of the world) The thing that opens my eyes to the fact that probably more people know about them then these two think know about them, is how quickly the lieutenant lectured Ikkaku about holding back. If he knows, and Kamamura even bluffed knowing by saying something is in his ears, it just proves that more people watch Ikkaku then he thinks, and know about his powers. I wouldn't be surprised to see that almost all captains know of the powers between Yumichika and Ikkaku.

now on the topic of captain promotions, last i checked, whoever is "worthy" of taking the Captain exam, or appointed by i think 3 captains, maybe more, OR killed the last captain, they can decline the offer. So there is no loss if Ikkaku and Yumichika show their power, because if they don't want to leave their division, they can decline. I believe this actually happened when either Shuhei or Kien Shiba, were offered a place as a captain due to their hard work. And whoever it was turned it down. might have been ikkaku? /shrug... i think i'd be repeating myself if i got into another rant about the power of these two Squad 11 members, and their potential. just read my first post on here =). but i swear they need to smarten up, and fight to their fullest. especially if it makes the difference between living or dying. (or completing a mission or failing miserably)... i end with THANK GOD Tetsuzaemon Iba FINALLY REAMED OUT IKKAKU!!! =) Bk1217 02:53, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

oh yeah another thing, if you believe that the arcs mean something (somehow put themselves somewhere in the storyline) like i do =), then you can see that Ikkaku's Zanpaktou (manifested form) uses his bankai to fight Ikkaku in Episode 237. Ichigo comes to Ikkaku's aid, but Ikkaku stops him saying its his fight. (Ichigo sees the bankai) Then Soi Fon shows up with Ukitake, and Shunsui oh and the squad 2 covert ops team. (about 15 more people seeing the bankai) so yeah, i like to think that the arcs are somehow part of the story, this means so far 4 captains, at least 3 Lieutenants, and Ichigo =) know Ikkaku's Bankai. So i still wonder why the hell he thinks that "noone knows, and he can keep it a secret".Bk1217 03:34, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

See this is where actually paying attention to the characters count yes there are captains who dont pay attention to those under them to even notice small or big changes. Its common reality in the series for those of power to overlook those below them. A prime example being that Byakuya didn't even think that there was a possibility that Renji had a bankai and questioned when he even got the ability to use it. Kenpachi is only concerned about his opponent at the moment. Soifon could careless what Omeada knows or does as long as he stays out of her way. Mayuri doesn't care about anyone except his experiments. So there is plenty of captains not paying attention to anything besides there own issues. To say that they would know what one 3rd seat in the 11th division can do is unlikely. If they did know he would have had a limiter placed on him just like Rangiku, Toshiro, and Renji did when the Arrancar attacked the first time. It is also mentioned on more then one occasion that no one knows about Ikkaku's bankai besides those closest to him such as (Renji, Yumichika, Iba and Komamura) its speculation to think of anything different then the information presented. Because these cases all happened in the storyline anyone else possibly knowing is not. Also ikkaku is more concerned with being badgered about becoming a captain then anything. Yumichika is concerned about being made fun of or getting kicked out of the 11th Division or even losing his best friend. Just for clarification filler arcs aren't canon as they dont follow the main storylien so if you didn't see any of this in the manga then it didn't happen. Salubri 05:11, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah true, there are just a couple things i wanted to point out, (i might not be too accurate on these, but hear me out) =) - Byakuya actually couldn't have known about Renji's Bankai, because he just recently learned it at the same time Ichigo was training to get his and directly after went to save Rukia... where he met Byakuya, after that Byakuya acknowledged Renji as an individual (for the most part) - Soifon often acts as if she doesn't care about Omeada, but it is mainly a way to show that emotions only get in the way, she actually watches most of the stuff he does and makes sure he is either doing something right, or learning not to mess up (the hard way)and often corrects him as such. like when she told Omeada that his opponent was still alive, and he needed to focus better. It's just a way to keep training her subordinates but she still cares, to an extent. i forgot about the Yumichika thing about being made fun of for having a Kido style zanpaktou, but i still don't like the fact that his is by far one of the most powerful zanpaktou of a lieutenant or below. and has so much potential, i hate to see him fall below the rest of the other characters. (who sadly also aren't really maturing in power as much as they probably should have by now) its kinda like the whole Shunsui thing for me, i wanna see more of the characters that seem to be unbelievably powerful, but they don't focus on them as often as they should. And their power goes wasted. Bk1217 06:25, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

@ BK. Sorry, but u don't just learn something like Bankai overnight. Yoruichi pointed out that Ichigo had somehow managed to manifest his Zanpakuto, yet she wasn't even there when he did it against Kenpachi. Renji didn't master Bankai the same way Ichigo did, it took time & training. If Byakuya had paid even the slightest attention he would have noticed & Renji even points out that Byakuya doesn't pay any attention to any of his subordinates. As for Soifon she does care about Marechiyo & lectures him(usually by beating him). But what does that have to do with Ikkaku & Yumichika. She pays attention to her squad 2 & the Stealth Force. She has alot of work dealing wiht her own duties so there is no way she would know or even suspect those two. Besides Squad 11 keeps its distance from the other squads, so I have no reason to believe that anybody aside from Iba, Renji, Sajin, & Yumichika know about his Bankai. & I also have no reason to suspect that nobody besides Shuhei & Possibly Izuru know about Yumichikas Shikai. Minato88 22:09, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

I'm quite grumpy that not as much progression is being shown with Yumichika. There was a point where Renji was pretty weak untill he trained his ass off to reach bankai,and I want that to happen with Yumichika. I also think that he really should start using his full power when its needed,because when shinigami fight enemys that match them they can learn new abilitys like when Ichigo used Resolve against Renji,I know Urahara tought him but he actually used it in battle against Renji. Anywho,I think if Yumichika decides to use his powers to the fullest, then he could devolop a better relationship with his zanpakto, and I know for a fact that he could have defeated Jarhead espada. But in Yumichika's deffense I can really see that he loves his squad way more than progression,and I don't think they'd make fun of him,I just think that he'd have to switch squads because he doesn't have a melee based zanpakto, and that's breaking Squad 11 rules.

I think that Ikkaku really should use his powers to the fullest too,specially when it comes to protecting the world.haha. And yeah,Renji uses his bankai allll the time in the open,soo Ikkaku doesn't have anything to worry about,atleast untill the war is over. Havefun221,November 1,6:14 PM.

@Minato ; oh i know it takes a lot of training to achieve Bankai. It supposedly takes about 100 years to train and master the arts of ones Zanpaktou to the point where they can gain the next step... or something like that. Basically everyone can say what they want about "so and so knows what so and so is doing when...." we have no damn clue, until they reveal it all in either the anime or the manga. sorry to bring it all up. All i am saying is it is upsetting to see characters hold back, i love this entire Bleach manga/anime because u get to see the progression of power as well as watch characters grow and discover themselves as well as a "hidden power" that lies within. and when i am watching the anime, or reading the manga, i wanna experience the characters, and watch them to the fullest. Because of this i was psyched when my favorite character Shunsui Kyōraku FINALLY showed his Shikai and it completely owned Starrk.(and was really cool to boot) My other favorite characters to watch are Shuhei (who still has one of the most badass zanpaktou in shikai form... its two "windmill like" reaper weapons. who doesnt love that =)...) other characters i love to watch are the ones that i made this forum for... Ikkaku and Yumichika... basically i love the way they fight, and how powerful they are when they finally release their zanpaktou to the extent that they know how "Ikkaku-Bankai  Yumichika-Shikai".  THE ONLY thing thing i'm tryin to say is, i love seeing the full potential of a character, it's exciting and makes for great entertainment.  I would love to see all characters grow and watch everyone play to their full potential, that's it.  So please, i know all about Bankai, i know all about why they are the way they are, (because of squad 11 and what they believe in) and i know why the story is going how it's going. All i meant about this post was these characters deserve some room to grow. sheesh... Bk1217 06:46, November 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn't mean to ruin u'or forum. With my last comment I was just disagreeing with u'or speculation, nothing else. & I certainly wasn't questioning u'or intelligence. Overall, Ikkaku & Yumichika are two of the more entertaining characters in the show & Ruri'iro Kujaku is my favorite Zanpakuto. I love watching Yumichika & in the last ep when he & Kujaku were talking about how they wanted to style Ikkaku, I almost fell out of my chair. I can't wait to see how these two handle themselves in the future. Minato88 06:58, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

@Minato yeah sorry, i just want to have friendly chatter in these forums, I actually respect just about everything you write. In my forum posts as well as other forum posts i read. However i have also seen some people come into these forums and just go straight out and abuse other people's thoughts... I apologize for bringing it up after your post, which actually was a good post, not insulting. but i was just thinking back to how i have seen some things on here that get out of hand =). And also say that it's just an anime =). we may get way too excited sometimes. ooo and btw, I loved watching Kujaku get all pissy being called Fuji and pretty much calling out Yumichika. Seeing them square off just talking to one another was pretty hilarious. I love this new arc more and more each week. btw, in all my forum posts i love to hear the opinion of just about anyone who is as into this series as i am. love hearin from you all, just remember it is still just a series, where we are not going to know everything the characters think or feel, until it is revealed, and talking about it and speculating is one of the good things about forums, also I do love hearing about facts that i haven't heard yet or even things that i have seen just maybe forgot, its good to learn more about the Bleach world all the time. (everyone always has something new to learn) keep it coming Bk1217 07:09, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

and btw, i can't get enough of Episode 217 in the anime, i love watching the release of Ruri'iro Kujaku its pretty powerful. also 219 is really fun too =) Bk1217 07:12, November 2, 2009 (UTC)