Bleach Wiki talk:Featured Quote

I think you need to add a couple of more categories:

Quincy Human Others (like Bounts, movie characters and stuff)

You know, just to get the full range of characters and not to exclude anyone--Shinitenshi 06:27, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

As the rules state, this is only open to quotes that appear in the manga and anime from this month. The Bount and movies cannot be included as they have not appeared this month. However, you may add quotes from any characters/groups that do appear over the course of the month. That includes Humans and Quincy of course. They are not currently listed as no members of those groups have appeared this month. They will be added if they do appear. --Yyp 19:09, November 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Resolved

oops
I accidentally added Kurotsuchi's long quote from nearly 2 years ago, when he was fighting Szayel Aporro in Resurreción since I didn't see the rule right there. I then read the rule and tried deleting it. But it won't appear and I can't revert it back to normal. What happened?--Lazer81095 23:58, November 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * It will not turn up because it has already been removed. --Yyp 00:02, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Resolved

New Voting System
As you can see, we have a new voting system in place now. It is pretty simple and already explained on the page and in our Voting Policy, but the main points are that you may cast one vote in support of and one vote in opposition to any candidate, but no more than that. Also, you do not have to use the "Oppose" vote if you do not wish to (but if you do, please cast a "Support" vote as well, to show your alternative suggestion). Please give reasons for your choice and remember to sign your comments using 4 tildes ( ~ ). Thank you --Yyp 23:40, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Sigh. Due to problems with the way many users voted in our three features last month, we have changed the system. Full details are set out in the Voting Policy, but are summarized below. Familiarize yourself with the policy before voting. -- Yyp  (Talk)  12:49, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * The "Oppose" votes will no longer be deducted from a candidate's total votes. It exists purely to highlight issues with a candidate.
 * Valid reasons must be given for voting for/against a candidate, otherwise the vote will be moved to the "Deleted Votes" section. A full list of valid reasons are given in the Voting Policy. Basically, the votes are not popularity contests - reasons must be based on the merits of the article/picture/quote.

Sajin Komamaru Strange
"Have you never once found it strange? That a man whose greatest friend was killed... would join the very same organization... as the killer?"

I believe there has been a mistake made in who actually said this quote; to me it appears that the questions are instead posed by Kaname Tōsen at Sajin Komamaru, rather than the other way round, who wants an answer to why Sajin never questioned the reason to him joining the ranks of the Gotei 13 even after they killed his best friend. Blackstar1 21:41, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

OK yeah I see. I thought it was said by Sajin. The background threw me off. OK I'll fix it. Minato 22:26, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

My oppose to Aizen's quote
I respectfully protest the fact that it was removed. The rules for voting state that one can oppose a quote if "the quote is unremarkable or generic or has other issues (be specific)". I thought the quote was typical Aizen BS and have stated as much. Please, reinstate my vote to where it was! Weedefinition 08:12, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood the rules of voting. My understanding is that by unremarkable and generic, what is meant is that it cannot be distinguished from one character to another. Something along the lines of "That's my line" or "You are a 100 years away from being my equal" both of which are generic lines that have been sprouted by a number of characters. The fact that you clearly identify that quote as something typical of Aizen means that it is not generic but something unique to Aizen. At least, that's my understanding. Tinni  (Talk)  08:33, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

I was refering to the "other issues" part of the rule. If a quote sounds like the typical schtick of a character, than there's nothing new about it, is there? It's the same old same old attempt by Aizen to get under his opponent's skin before they even make a move. That's virtualy all he ever says. Weedefinition 17:31, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

While the "other issues" is a catch all clause, if the quote does show-off a character and it is not a word for word repeat of things he has said before, then it still count. In addition, while provocation is Aizen's forte the fact that he tailors the provocation to each individual opponent makes each of his provocation unique and speaks volumes about what is actually happening in the chapter. In this particular instance what he says encompasses even the chapter title, as such that quote can be seen as defining the chapters. In addition, I would like to point out the removal of your vote is consistent with another vote that was removed in the best picture poll that opposed the picture of Hitsugaya's bankai because Hitsugaya releases his bankai a lot. Just like that picture of Hitsugaya was not a recreation of an earlier picture, Aizen's quote was not copied from before. As such, you are going to have to find another reason to oppose that quote. Tinni  (Talk)  02:14, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm.. How about, "Although not a replica, this quote doesn't bring anything new to the character or the series and is therefore inferior to other quotes that do"? Weedefinition 02:38, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Isn't it too early for 389 quotes?
I thought we were only using Ju Ni scanlations, but I'm not seeing 389 on their page. Weedefinition 17:38, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

They will be replaced with the Ju-Ni version when it comes out. It's not a big deal. People don't vote en-mass until close to the deadline anyway and they do have the option to move around votes if the Ju-Ni translations make the quotes uninteresting. Tinni  (Talk)  02:14, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Question about Quotes from 390
The deadline for voting is Sunday but the Ju-ni scan for the chapter won't be out until Monday and that's if Ju-ni manages to release on time. Not that there are a lot of quotes from 390 (it was a picture heavy chapter) but might I suggest that 390 quotes be kept around for vote during February as technically, we don't have the Ju-ni scans. Alternatively, perhaps the requirement can be switched to cnet128 translation from Mangahelpers. Because cnet128 just releases translation and so doesn't have to wait on cleaners, he usually gets them out fairly quickly after the speedsans are released. He's translations are of high quality as well. So maybe that's one way of getting around the problem that arises in relation to quotes from the last chapter of the month. Tinni  (Talk)  07:46, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Voting guidelines; apply only to some people?
Hey, I am merely wondering why both of my votes were removed from this months vote. I made sure that they both explained why I support/oppose it blah blah blah, but they got removed. However, Tinni's vote, which said virtually next to nothing, gets to stay up. I said basically the same thing; plus more. This really irritates me. I mean; were mine removed for entirely innocent reasons? Please explain why mine were removed, whilst many others have stayed up. Glacial Blaze 17:33, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

You do not meet the criteria to vote. I checked your contributions and you only have 3 edits this month. I believe you need 5 to vote(though it may be 10). If you look at your deleted votes they tell why they were deleted. Check the voting policy.--God (Pray)  17:41, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Voting Deadline is a Day Earlier
As stated in the recent update to the Voting Policy, please note that all Featured Votes will end on the penultimate day of the month (that's the 29th this month). This is to allow time for the votes to be sorted & counted, ties to be broken (by admin vote) and the feature article/quote/picture to be prepared in advance of the first day of the new month. This way, we should be able to have all features up straight away, which has not always been the case before. Yyp (Talk) 14:59, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Gin - not my fault
what source is the Gin quote being changed from? Wolfwood (Shoot)  07:53, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

The translation is from Ju-Ni, as set out in the rules section of the page: "For quotes from chapters, they must come from Ju-Ni's scanlations; that way we won't have six of the same quote, just from different scanlations. The Cnet translation will be used as a reserve for when the Ju-Ni version is not available." Yyp (Talk) 10:44, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, i just thought i should check as it sounds a little strange compared to what i originally read. I hear MangaStream do sometimes like to "jazz up" the dialouge though.Wolfwood (Shoot)  17:29, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Why are we using Ju Ni translations?
I'm asking because I usualy find their translations lacking in comparison to Mangastream's or even One manga's. Look at these two versions of same quote from 409:

Ju Ni:
 * Why should I care what happens to what you want to protect? Don't misunderstand, Ichigo. What you want to protect isn't what I want to protect.

Mangastream:
 * Why should I care what happens to what you want to protect? Don't misunderstand, Ichigo. What you want to protect and what I want to protect are two completely different things!

The translator at Ju Ni translates like he wants to finish his job and go home already. There's no passion in his translation. Or perhaps his English isn't as good as his Japanese and is incapable of using finer English. Besides, since Mangastream are usually first to publish, why not allow their quotes as well? WD  Talk to me  12:27, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Eh, Ju-Ni has not released their translation yet as far as I can see (they usually only release theirs on the Monday or Tuesday after the chapter is out in Japan), so I don't know where you are getting this from. Link please. Just to clarify this: Onemanga do not translate anything themselves - they just put up whichever scanlation they get first, which is usually Sleepyfans, who are known to sacrifice quality and accuracy for speed (just as Mangastream do). To be fair to Onemanga, I have noticed that they have replaced many Sleepyfans-scanlated chapters with the Ju-Ni version lately. Anyway, as for why we use Ju-Ni - Ju-Ni and Cnet are well known to be reliable and accurate translators that just translate what Kubo wrote as accurately as possible. In addition to what I mentioned above, Mangastream use Binktopia translations, which are well known to spice up the language used (the infamous example is Baraggan saying that he will skull f*** Soifon/Hachi, which was total nonsense). It is the policy of this wiki to be as faithful to the original Japanese as possible rather than using what sounds cooler, as these embellishments to the translation can be misleading - hence the use of Ju-Ni over everyone else (with Cnet as a reserve). As for Ju-Ni's use of "finer" English - look at their version of "Gin : Not My Fault" on the page: using the word "ornery" shows otherwise. Yyp  (Talk) 13:12, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oh. I get it. Though 'ornery' isn't an example of finer English, but rather of dated colloquial English, which is sometimes misconstrued as higher register. Also, I didn't know what it meant so I checked it and it turns out none of the definitions fit the quote. See this link:. As for where I got the Ju Ni tr. see this link:. I got to it by clicking the Ju Ni link on the project page, selecting 'Bleach' in the 'Looking for manga' field, clicking the 'Translations' tab at the top of the Bleach section and then clicking the 'Bleach 409' link with the union Jack next to it. WD  Talk to me  06:16, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

That is not Ju-Ni: it is molokidan - the translator for Binktopia/ManagStream - and it says "Only for use by MangaStream" on it. And I would say that "My center got thrown off because you were being stubborn makes sense in the context. Personal interpretation I guess. Yyp  (Talk) 09:54, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Got'cha. Though I did get there through the Ju Ni link, so my mistake is forgivable. Ornery as stubborn? Could be, but I would attribute Aizen's actions in the Dangai to a whim rather than stubbornness. Still, it could be exactly what Gin said, inaccurate as it may be. WD  Talk to me  11:42, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Yyp here, ornery fits in perfectly in the context of which Gin used it. Gin had pleaded to Aizen to leave the Kototsu and run with him as he believed they could not harm the Kototsu. Aizens decision to wait and destroy the Kototsu was for Gin an act of stubbornness, considering they had no need to destroy the Kototsu. GinIchimaru

No forgiveness needed - an honest mistake. I wouldn't expect there to be many familiar with the names of the translators. Yyp (Talk) 14:33, June 25, 2010 (UTC)