Talk:Quincy: Vollständig

Mistake
The vollstandig does not give a Quincy their Blut abilities...at best one could say they are enhanced by it but even so...can someone fix this? Darksusanoo (talk) 03:08, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Origin of the names
I think I found out how Kubo gave name to each Vollstandig. Each one ends in "iel", the same ending to every name of the Archangels of the Eastern Orthodox. He also attributed a name like "Walk of God" or "Justice of God", like the Archangels have.

Here's the list of the Archangels to understand this better:
 * Michael in the Hebrew language means "Who is like unto God?" or "Who is equal to God?"
 * Gabriel means "Man of God" or "Might of God."
 * Raphael means "God's healing" or "God the Healer"
 * Uriel means "Fire of God," or "Light of God"
 * Sealtiel means "Intercessor of God"
 * Jegudiel means "Glorifier of God."
 * Barachiel means "Blessing of God."
 * Jerahmeel means "God's exaltation."

However, this might be mere speculation, but it should have place in Trivia, I think. -- (preceding unsigned comment by User:Davidchola2)


 * First sign your posts. Secondly This is speculation and has no place in trivia anymore then it does in the rest of the article. Trivia cant be what ifs and maybe's and it cannot be common generalizations. It has to be verified information. --


 * Actually, that wouldn't be speculation, that'd be fact. No other tradition/religion uses that type of generalized naming, except Abrahamic religions. The Vollstandig are named in a style after the way the Hebrew angels are named. For example, in Hebrew, Biskiel would be "God is My Justice" and Grimaniel is "God is My Path". "-iel" is used to note ownership to God, and the first part of the word is used to denote what is God's. This is not speculation at all, its just common knowledge. Its a motif. Just like Kubo didn't come out and say his Quincy used a German motif, or Arrancar Spanish; it was a given, given that they used Spanish and German words respectively.  ~ ~ Ten Tailed Fox   < t al k > 05:14, July 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * This is very much correct. is the origin of the Abrahamic God and has remained in the names of God to this day.  KawaTsuyo  (Talk) 23:04, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

Types
The section that lists the various Vollständig names includes Grimaniel, though his wielder's name is left blank despite him having an article. Even though he is not properly named, I think there should be a link to his page. However, the article is currently locked, so I'm hoping an administrator can add the Unnamed Male Vandenreich's name to the page.

Grimaniel
Is Grimaniel really considered a various of Vollstandig? It may look like a Vollstandig but I don't think it doesn't qualify because it is a type of attack which may appear as such.--CNBA3 (talk) 04:41, November 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * This one's a tricky subject. The Quincy who owns "Grimaniel" never actually said the words "Quincy: Vollstandig", but at best (someone else would have to explain this better than I), it's being called Vollstandig at the moment since it seems to hold the same naming convention as Quilge's. In the next few chapters we may get a better idea of Vollstandig names, so all I can say is that we all just have to be patient.
 * Really now? Well, considering that it 1. has a similar name and meaning to Piskiel (both end in "iel", the kanji of both are "[noun] of God") and 2. did not provide an effect that was completely different from Commander Gordon's usual attack (he fired a bullet), I'm inclined to disagree with you. All signs point to it being a variant of Quincy: Vollständig, and you've provided no evidence of it being anything else (CNBA3, that is).--Xilinoc (talk) 05:01, November 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, the guy appears to have had wings and a Wanden-Halo. That's very typical of people using the Quincy: Vollständig.
 * Then wouldn't it be simpler to just say Quincy: Vollstandig?--CNBA3 (talk) 13:38, November 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, as the Sternritter specifically used "Grimaniel" as the name of a technique.


 * I have to agree. It is definitely his Vollstandig. Though we don't acknowledge it on the page, the Quincy's Vollstandig, thus far, are named after angels (both Grimaniel and Biskiel are angels). The "-iel" is the Hebrew way of inserting "of God" into the names of people, but mostly angels. Other than that, it has the appearance of a Vollstandig — the Reishi wings and Reishi halo.  ~ ~ Ten Tailed Fox   < <font color="#800080">t <font color="#800080">al <font color="#800080">k <font color="#800080">> 19:42, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Volstandig doesnt remove a Quincies power?
Is it worth noting that several quincy have used Volstandig and not lost their powers, such as Cang (still using the iron) and Unnamed Male Sternritter 1 using Grimaniel and still using his powers? Skitzo1 (talk) 18:56, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

Wasn't that kind of obvious? The Vollstanding is the answer to the drawbacks of the Letzt Stil. Thus besides of providing anything Letzt Stil does and more,it does not remove the powers of a Quincy. I honestly thought this was common knowledge. Hmm,I don't know should that now be drawn out on the wiki FinestFantasyVI (talk) 19:45, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Quilge himself stated that the Quincy: Letzt Stil is considered outdated because using it causes a loss of Quincy powers, whereas Quincy: Vollständig doesn't. Given how none of the Sternritter who have used this technique thus far have even mentioned the possibility of losing their powers thereafter, I'd think any reader could infer that it doesn't cause power loss even if they don't remember Quilge saying so.--Xilinoc (talk) 22:56, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

More to be added
We only have 2 of the Vollständig listed thus far, although we've seen Cang Du, Bambietta Basterbine, and Mask De Masculine use theirs as well. KawaTsuyo (Talk) 23:14, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

What if Vollstandigs don't really have names?
But Biskiel, Grimaniel and Tatar Foras are just techniques that are available to Quincies only in their Vollstandig mode. Will-O-Wisp (talk)
 * To be honest, I'm kind of starting to ascribe to this theory as well, although in the case of Tatar Foras Äs makes it clear it's an ability.--Xilinoc (talk) 07:20, February 12, 2014 (UTC)