Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-11398218-20140521105018/@comment-26530188-20151203021037

Coolishy777 wrote: Boredfan1 wrote: First off, if Yachiru was his Zanpact-to's spirit then he wouldn't finally be hearing it's voice because hes been hearing her voice for years.

Just because he can her her speak, does not mean he knows that the voice really belongs to his zanpakuto. Shinigami often hear their zanpakuto spirit but never hear it say it's name (or just aren't told).

Boredfan1 wrote: Secondly, Zanpact-to spirits do have a Zanpact-to which is themselves in their sword form which they mainly wield during interal battles with their Shinigami partner, they do NOT have a sword that looks different than they do. So if Yachiru was part of Zaraki's Zanpact-to, then she wouldn't have a manifestation similar to the captain of Squad 4's as only Shinigami have such a thing.

1. Yes, they do wield a sword that looks like the asauchi that they inhabit when fighting an internal battle with the shinigami.

2. With enough spiritual pressure and intuition and near enough to achieving bankai the shinigami can force a zanpakuto spirit into a physical existence (I know the SS is made up entirely of energy and nothing there is "physical", but I'm referring to an existence outside of the shinigami's internal world).

3. Isane said herself, about Yachiru, that she had never seen or heard of a zanpakuto showing a physical being with out the original sword changing its look. However based on how Yachiru fought it appears that the two beasts were with her the whole time only hiding their presence. This is unlike any other zanpakuto that exists. Isane cannot even believe that it does exist.

Boredfan1 wrote: Even during the arc when the Zanpact-to are released from the control of their Shinigami partners, they didn't have a new Zanpact-to with powers different than they had as a Zanpact-to.

I cannot stress this enough. This arc is not canon. It does not constitute canon material and there for cannot be a basis for a valid argument or rebuttal.

Boredfan1 wrote: And just because he met her after he got the Asuchi, does not mean she is related to his Zanpact-to, it is easily a coincidence or something else entirely. All this and the fact that no Zanpact-to would have a unique spiritual pressure from their partner should be enough to debunk that theory but if not, I got more.

It could be coincidence. But who knows. The zanpakuto said to Zaraki after he beat Unohana that it was the one who has been watching over him for longer than anyone and Yachiru is notorious for refusing to do anything but watch him fight. And unfortunately you are wrong. Zanpakuto do have unique spiritual pressures, though they are very similar to their partner's, it is unique. Yachiru seems to be the only one who Zaraki has no trouble locating, even though he cannot follow spiritual pressure worth a damn.

Boredfan1 wrote: Coolishy mentions that she can withstand his spiritual pressure posible because shes his Zanpact-to spirit but that isn't the only explanation, she could just be a monster like he is with spiritual pressure that is unnaturally high though she leaves the majority of the fighting to others.

You're right there are other explanations.

Boredfan1 wrote: Also, if she was the spirit of the dead Shinigami's Zanpact-to, then technically, her parents would be the Shinigami and the creator of the Asauchi so it is more likely she doesn't know who her parents are because they are dead or abandoned her.

It is evident that she has no clue who her parents are (or if the zanpakuto theory is true) that she never had any.

Boredfan1 wrote: There really is no counter for most of the quotes but as a child, she would probably have been killed by someone older since she couldn't control her powers which can easily be what she meant about if it wasn't for him, she wouldn't be here today.

A child like that in that district should never have lasted 5 minutes, let alone long enough to find someone to take her in. So yea, if she wasn't the zanpakuto spirit in a manifested form there is no way she should have survived.

Boredfan1 wrote: And uh nearly all Zanpact-to wear clothing, the only exception was Renji's being a monkey with a snake for a tail but being reforged, it's hard to say if that will remain the same.

Unohana's shikai is a giant flying manta ray thing so no clothing there. Toshiro's is an ice dragon, again no clothing. There's no solid evidence to say that nearly all of them wear clothing, especially if this statement is based on the sword beast arc (non-canon). In reference to the cannonicity of the Zanpakuto Unknown Tales Arc, although the narrative events featured in the arc are not cannon all the Znpakuto spirits we see (possibly excluding Muramasa) were designed by Kubo and with the recent appearance of Katen Kyokotsu in the manga an argument could be made for all the spirits we see in that arc being representative of what ever rules Kubo has for representing Zanpakuto spirits assuming that there are any rules. In reference to how long Yachiru could have survived on her own, whose to say that she wasn't alone for just 5 minutes before meeting Zaraki? Whose to say that the horde of guys that Zaraki killed immediately before Yachiru met him weren't the same men who killed her parents or who ever was looking after her. I would reiterate that the story line featured in the Unknown Tales arc and the Beast Sword arc are none cannon but the designs of the Captains and Liutenants Zanpakuto all came directly from Kubo for the anime.