Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner

The Translation Corner is a place where a group of users can get together and help maintain the wiki by keeping it up to date on the actual translations of the various names, abilities, techniques and etc. found in the Bleach Universe.

Purpose of Project
The purpose of this project, as stated above, aims to help the site stay accurate in actual translations of the information used on site. The project will aim to give clear and concise information of translation for all the Japanese/Spanish/German phrases, techniques and general content that have transpired in the Bleach universe.

Associate Members

 * Adam Restling (Japanese)
 * MarqFJA (Japanese)
 * (Japanese)
 * Lia Schiffer (Spanish)

References & Sources

 * Kanji-to-English:
 * Tangorin
 * Mahou Kanji Dictionary
 * Kanji Networks
 * OldNihongo.J-Talk.Com
 * Basic Japanese verbal data: The imperative inflection of Japanese verbs

How the Corner Works
The usage of the corner is very simple. The page is set up in four sections.


 * Contentious Translations: If a translation is questioned at all, that should be brought up in this section. In this way a translator, committee member or admin can explain why the translation is used or conversation can take place for translations that are harder to classify.


 * Zanpakutō (names, release calls, etc.): This section is for requests for translation of zanpakuto and zanpakuto related translations.


 * Character and element (e.g. devices) names: This section is for requests for translation of characters/techniques/equipment and general key words.


 * General/Other translation issues (e.g. conjugation/miscellanea): This section is for requests about translations that dont fit any particular criteria such as conjugation or such things such as accents used in the names.

AssociateBox
Ok folks I have finally gotten around to makeing the Associate Box. You can put it on your user page using the command. Below is what the box looks like. Tinni  (Talk)  14:37, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Beware Spurious Translations
With some words, mostly terms and names--esp. those which appear in the non-canon filler, and so cannot be researched as can material from the manga--there's a temptation to play games with "false friends" within the Japanese language itself; in other words, fans eager to find/know the meaning/Kanji of this person's name, or that new Zanpakutō, will use whatever resources are available to find Japanese words/elements that sound/look like these words and, frequently, edit in their selections as the de facto translations for these terms on their pages.

Unfortunately, much more often than not, this amounts to nothing more than wild mass guessing. In a language where there are a ton of elements which can all be read kō alone--not to mention that it's precisely this possible confusion that keeps Japanese from abandoning the lovely but complex Chinese Kanji as its writing system--playing the "close enough" game is a good way to proliferate die-hard false information.

As sucky as it is to not know what the correct meaning and spelling of words is, please refrain from just jamming hunches or possibilities into edits of pages as though they were confirmed, whenever you can. Admittedly, even "official" or more reputable-seeming sources (such as TV Tokyo, I think someone said) may prove erroneous; but it's far better to wait for them to appear in these more reputable (usu. Japanese) sources than to put in an educated guess that may well be wrong.

If it's an issue of expediency, i.e. if a word remains without translation longer than you think it should (given the duration of its appearance in the series, perhaps), please come and post here in the Corner to bring a sharper focus onto it, and we'll see if we can't amend such omissions more quickly. :) Adam Restling (talk) 10:41, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Tenken's Special Ability
Someone on Komamura's talk page brought up that Tenken's ability is described as being able to summon any giant limb, even though it has only ever been used to summon arms. Does his page from MASKED mention anything about the ability that could clear this up? Mohrpheus  (Talk)  16:18, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Byakuya's Blood Type
This page from Unmasked apparently says that Byakuya's blood type is AB as opposed to the previous O which was given in past databooks. Can I get a confirmation on this please.--

Ishida technique in the fourth film
Hello. My question is this. So that the fourth film, Ishida used to Taikon, Gerd Sprenger it? Is that one writes, and what has kanji and romaji. Thank you in advance. 11:10, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I tried looking this one up via its likely katakana spelling, but was unable to find anything other than citations of just "Sprenger" by itself. FYI, this technique, 破芒陣（シュプレンガー） Shupurengā, seems to be intended as German for "blaster"; the underlying Kanji mean "awn-rending array".


 * If I find anything on a Gerd Sprenger or the like, I'll try to let you all know :). Adam Restling (talk) 21:54, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Jōmon Spells
I want confirmation on the romanizations of Ryubi no Jōmon, Koko no Jōmon, Hoyoku no Jōmon, Kikai no Jōmon and Shiji no Saimon. They're supposed to be Ryūbi no Jōmon, Kokō no Jōmon, Hōyoku no Jōmon, Kigai no Jōmon and Shijū Saimon, respectively.

http://www.manga-access.com/manga/B/Bleach/chapter/369/10 http://www.manga-access.com/manga/B/Bleach/chapter/369/15 http://www.manga-access.com/manga/B/Bleach/chapter/369/16 http://www.mangareader.net/94-22828-18/bleach/chapter-369.html http://www.mangareader.net/94-22828-11/bleach/chapter-369.html http://www.mangareader.net/94-22828-16/bleach/chapter-369.html http://www.mangareader.net/94-22828-17/bleach/chapter-369.html

They're the same by two different translators, except for Shijū Saimon, but they say Shijū Saimon in the anime as well. Mad Rest 21:17, July 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll try to get on this soon, as well as continuing, esp., the UNMASKED stuff. But it looks like the second of the romanizations that Mad cites are prob. the correct ones, as the first set excludes a few of the long vowels from its transcriptions. The names are clearly inspired by the Four Forms, who are often also called, in Japanese, the "Four Beasts" (Shijuu) or the "Saint Beasts" (Seijuu). Adam Restling (talk) 05:50, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Shijū Saimon (四獣塞門 Four Beast Ward Gate) consists of Ryūbi no Jōmon (竜尾の城門 Castle Gate of the Dragon's Tail) in front of the enemy, Kokō no Jōmon (虎咬の城門 Castle Gate of the Tiger's Bite) on the left, Kigai no Jōmon (亀鎧の城門 Castle Gate of the Turtle's Armor) on the right, and Hōyoku no Jōmon (鳳翼の城門 Castle Gate of the Phoenix's Wings) below. Adam Restling (talk) 04:32, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Kidō
I am under the impression that Bakudō #81 should be Dankū instead of Dankū, because the kanji 空, meaning 'space, void' is read as kuu and not ku. The same kanji is used in Kūkanten'i (空間転位), meaning Spatial Displacement and there it is listed as kū. Also, the same is for Hiryugekizokushintenraiho (撃賊震天雷砲); it should be Hiryūgekizokushintenraihō. Mad Rest 23:00, August 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * You're correct: kuu (or, in the Hepburn system used on by this Wiki, kū) it is.


 * Also (and I'm finishing up checking these in the "Techniques" 6-8 UNMASKED pages), the Kanji for Hiryū Gekizoku Shinten Raihō (as you corrected, not hiry u ) is missing its hiryū; it should be 飛竜 撃賊震天雷砲, I believe. Adam Restling (talk) 02:37, August 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * The kanji were one line down. I missed those two when I was copying it. Mad Rest 20:47, August 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, will it be the same or different if the words in Hiryū Gekizoku Shinten Raihō are separated or conjoined (Hiryūgekizokushintenraihō)? Mad Rest 20:48, August 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I suppose. Creating word boundaries for Japanese forms is often tricky, but I'd prefer doing it to having single "words" that are 30 letters long. I usu. try to make boundaries where it seems most natural, e.g. after compounds. Adam Restling (talk) 08:16, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure it's the same as with Sajo Sabaku (鎖条鎖縛); Should it be Sajō Sabaku?
 * Also with Enkosen (円閘扇); Should it be Enkōsen? Also, when I checked the kanji for it on Tangorin it gave me the translations as Round Lock Fan, which is drastically different than the current translation, Arc Shield.
 * And with Kyokko (曲光), should it be Kyokkō or Kyokukō? Mad Rest 12:43, August 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's prob. true, but I don't want to confirm anything until I have a chance to double-check each of these terms. A quick check of common Japanese usages of these Kanji would seem to show that they are: Sajō Sabaku, Enkōsen, Kyokkō. And if those Kanji are the correct ones, then the correct translation is "round lock fan". Adam Restling (talk) 08:16, August 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * In case anyone missed these recent developments, cf. my work on the UNMASKED "Techniques" sections dealing with Kidou here, as they should now hold answers to the above queries. :) Adam Restling (talk) 19:38, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Japanese translations for Spanish words
Can you please explain how Spanish words have different translations in Japanese?

like this one

Murciélago (黒翼大魔 (ムルシエラゴ), Murushierago; Spanish for "Bat", Japanese for "Black-Winged Great Demon") --Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 21:49, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll take this one; Kubo's assigning a pseudo-translation to the Spanish word. We both know that Murciélago is Spanish for "bat," but the way he wrote the scene is that the kanji is 黒翼大魔, but as opposed to its actual pronunciation, which would be something like "kokuyoku daima" which would have the hiragana of こくよくだいま, Kubo instead slapped the katakana of the Spanish word Murciélago onto it.
 * This means that while the name translates as "Black-Winged Great Demon" in this context, it's meant to be pronounced in the Japanese transliteration of the Spanish word for "bat;" as Murushierago.
 * Kubo knows that the words don't match; it's not what matters here. The Spanish-based names is to correlate with the Spanish-based nomenclature of everything related to Hollows. The kanji indicate what the name is supposed to mean in the context of the BLEACH-verse. --Reikson (talk) 22:05, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

In other words, the Spanish is simply to fall into account with the nature of Hollows, while the Japanese kanji reveal the meaning assigned to these foreign-language words. --Reikson (talk) 22:05, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I was always wondering how that worked and now I know! Thanks--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 22:49, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, like Reikson says, it's mostly Kubo's way of layering extra nuances of meaning into names, so it's not just a single meaning; e.g., in the above example, the meanings of simple "bat" and "great, black-winged devil", are both evoked via this layering in the mind of the resder.


 * Slayers does this, too, as in the naming of the Supreme Being of its cosmology, the Lord of Nightmares (金色の魔王（ロード・オブ・ナイトメア） Rōdo obu Naitomea), the Kanji of whose name mean "gold-colored devil king". Adam Restling (talk) 08:12, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Digital Radial Invaders
I found the Kanji for Digital Radial Invaders can somebody please translate it? Here is the raw so you can see the Kanji so you don't think I'm lying.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 20:59, September 12, 2011 (UTC) http://mangahead.com/index.php/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-463-Raw-Scan/12.jpg?action=big&size=original&fromthumbnail=true

画面外の侵略者 （デジタル・ラジアル・インヴェイダーズ）


 * Apparently, the symbols means something like "Invaders from Outside of the Scene" and reads as Dejitaru Rajiaru Inveidāzu. --Reikson (talk) 21:18, September 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Plus, your thumbnail link isn't working. --Reikson (talk) 21:19, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

So can I add it to Yukio's page? Also try this link.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 21:32, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

http://s1.mangahead.com/mangas/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-463-Raw-Scan/12.jpg


 * Let the experts decide what's what with that translation. I just gave you an uneducated guess through the help of online translators. --Reikson (talk) 22:46, September 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * The Kanji and katakana look like they match to the raw pic. 画面外の侵略者 seems to (be intended to) mean something close to "beyond-screen invaders", or "invaders (from) outside the screen"; 画面 is used to refer to a TV, video game or computer screen, or the image therein. Adam Restling (talk) 08:03, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sumitsukigasa's technique
Hi. Is there a record of kanji and rōmaji, and translation of two Yushima's attacks? Namely Hajokuri and Renzan: Hajokuri. Thanks in advance. 15:40, September 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * The word "Renzan" suggests 連斬, meaning "serial beheading," but unless you can find kanji, this is merely supposition... --Reikson (talk) 15:44, September 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * According to the Japanese Wiki (which luckily has updated this far), it's Hajō Kūri (覇錠空蔾 Tyrant Lock Void Bramble) and Renzan - Hajō Kūri (連斬 覇錠空蔾), where renzan is indeed "serial-slashing" + the same Hajō Kūri (I use "slashing" instead of "beheading" because this is the semantic broadening ["behead" > "slay/strive with sword"] the element seems to enjoy in use, at least in BLEACH [like in  Zan pakutō,  Zan getsu, I believe]). The Kanji 蔾 seems to be pretty rare--none of my usu. sources even gave it a Japanese reading--but is translated as "a kind of bramble", and seems especially applied to Chenopodiaceae (Goosefoot).


 * FYI: The current Kanji for Sumitsukigasa (man, those filler dudes love their long names sometimes) and its release call are wrong, according to the Japanese Wiki: they should be 墨月暈 (Ink Moon Halo -- that is a *purdy* cool name; the current Kanji were half-right, though) and tagire (滾れ), which *does* still mean "seethe".


 * One more thing: the Kanji for Raikū are 來空 "coming void". Adam Restling (talk) 09:15, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Kidō Kanji Verification
Hi, I checked the images of the UNMASKED Character Book you uploaded (Techniques 7) and I noticed several differences between the kanji in the character book and those on the Kidō page.

1. Tsuzuri Raiden: 綴雷電 in the character book, 製本電 on the Kidō page. The only correct kanji is 電 (lightning) and I don't know how they came up with 製 (manufacture) and 本 (origin/book).

2. Sōren Sōkatsui: 双漣蒼火墜 in the character book, 双蓮蒼火墜 on the Kidō page. The kanji for "ren" differ: 漣 (ripple) in the databook and 蓮 (lotus) on the Kidō page.

3. Hiryūgekizokushintenraihō: 飛竜撃賊震天雷炮 in the character book, 飛竜撃賊震天雷砲 on the Kidō page. The kanji for "hō" differ: 炮 (sear) in the databook and 砲 (cannon) on the Kidō page.

I suggest you change them. DarkblueFlow (talk) 15:36, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * You are in face correct and the translations have been changed.--Salubri (Talk)  16:25, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * There are a lot of Kidō that this site has mistranslated. I've been pointing this out for months. It's not the data books that are wrong, it's this site's information. Mad Rest 16:06, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * We have also told you we are not native Japanese speakers and therefore we cant account for the accent marks when we dont have the english translations. The proven translators have a hard enough time translating the material and when they find the issue they make sure it is fixed. Whining that you dont get your way immediately especially with no proof is not gonna help your situation.--Salubri (Talk)  16:25, October 7, 2011 (UTC)