Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner

The Translation Corner is a group of Bleach Wiki users who the task to translate the various names, abilities, techniques and etc. found in the Bleach Universe. Being that Bleach is a Japanese manga that use Japanese, Chinese, Indian, German, Spanish and English language in various instances and cases, the use of translators are a focal point to the continuation of accuracy on the wiki. All users should read our Translation Guidelines before you start translating.

Roles of the Translation Corner
The following are the duties of the corner:


 * 1. To assure the correctness of all translations that are presented on the site.


 * 2. To determine the outcome of Contentious Translations: If a translation is questioned at all, that should be brought up in this section. In this way a translator, committee member or admin can explain why the translation is used or conversation can take place for translations that are harder to classify.


 * 3. To determine the correct translation of Zanpakutō (names, release calls, etc.): This section is for requests for translation of zanpakuto and zanpakuto related translations.


 * 4. To determine the correct translation of Character and element (e.g. devices) names: This section is for requests for translation of characters/techniques/equipment and general key words.


 * 5. To determine the correct translation of General/Other translation issues (e.g. conjugation/miscellanea): This section is for requests about translations that don't fit any particular criteria such as conjugation or such things such as accents used in the names.

Associate Members

 * Adam Restling (Primary Japanese Translator)
 * MarqFJA (Secondary Japanese Translator)
 * Vraieesprit (Japanese to English Translation)

References & Sources

 * Kanji-to-English:
 * Tangorin
 * Mahou Kanji Dictionary
 * Kanji Networks
 * OldNihongo.J-Talk.Com
 * Basic Japanese verbal data: The imperative inflection of Japanese verbs

Associate Box
Ok folks I have finally gotten around to makeing the Associate Box. You can put it on your user page using the command. Below is what the box looks like. Tinni  (Talk)  14:37, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Translation Guidelines

 * Anyone doing any form of translation. Looking up on Google Translate or similar translation tools, is not translating. You are not doing the site any favors by doing amateur translation. Please refrain from using such tools.


 * This is not a conversation page. It is a simple question and answer page for translation. All conversations should be held on a particular user talk page or the talk page of this page.


 * Users should simply place their request and wait for it to be answered. To keep it simple, if the user posting the request has no real understanding of translation, the point is not for you to learn how to translate here. Usage of the page should extend no more then to asking for a translation to be done. Please refrain from badgering the translators for understanding on why a translation is translated a certain way. If you knew anything about translation you wouldn't be asking someone else to do it, therefore it makes no sense to argue with them.


 * If you are not a member of the translation corner, please do not answer translation questions. Leave it to our translators so as to avoid confusion.


 * Admin have the final say on the translation being placed into a article.

Kagerōza Inaba
Kagerōza Inaba (影狼佐 因幡, Inaba Kagerōza). Wrong order kanji. Right order: 1. Kagerōza Inaba (因幡 影狼佐, Inaba Kagerōza); or 2. Inaba Kagerōza (影狼佐 因幡, Kagerōza Inaba). Confirm it. Bogobor (talk) 02:41, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest you be more courteous towards others or you will find yourself not lasting long here.--

Kirinji Tenjiro name
Can we please get confirmation on spelling of Kirinji Tenjiro's name and the title as well. I see in one scan it has ō instead of o at the end of Tenjiro. Page 14 of chapter 519. Thanks in advance, 14:24, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

The name is actually in the wrong order. I haven't found the Kanji (yet) but in order of first and last name, his name is Tenjīrō Kirinji.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 22:35, December 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * And without the kanji, you don't actually know what the order is. Leave it for Adam to find out.--

Found it!--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 23:10, December 5, 2012 (UTC) 「泉汤鬼」 麒麟寺 天示郎

Thanks, Kisuke, but those are the strictly-Chinese characters (including *some* simplified versions not generally used in Japanese, like 汤), but, assuming such spoiler data is right (at least enough to use until the actual raw comes out), we can figure some things out; luckily, it seems most of the Kanji work in both.

Based on the above, my tentative version would be: "Hot Spring Demon" Tenjirō Kirinji (泉湯鬼 麒麟寺 天示郎 Sentōki Kirinji Tenjirō) (note that 湯 is the unsimplified form of Chinese 汤). As has been noted elsewhere, the term kirin (麒麟) appears not only in his surname, but in his "palace" name etc. It's the Japanese form of the fabulous Chinese animal, the qilin. Nowadays, it's used mainly for the giraffe, because the giraffe was believed, in olden days, to be the mythical animal come to life; a similar thing happened with the Hebraic leviathan, which today chiefly means "whale", rather than the legendary beast of folklore it originated for. Adam Restling (talk) 12:21, December 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Here is the raw confirming Adam's above translation. Blackstar1 (talk) 14:27, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Spirit King
Currently we have titled the article Spirit King based on the kanji 霊王. But more and more, source after source seems to be saying Soul King. I know Rei could possibly be Soul or Spirit but is Soul King more correct than Spirit King or is it an either or situation?--

I generally translate 霊 (esp. in relative isolation) as "soul" both because it has a more focused, less general meaning than "spirit" (e.g., you don't usu. hear "team soul!" XD) and because, since the Kanji is usu. pronounced rei (when not tama or tamashii), I liked the one "syllable"-to-one syllable match-up.

Japanese has so many words for "soul/spirit/heart/genius/numen/etc." that it's sometimes hard to parse and be consistent, and it may in some cases be preferable to leave some things untranslated, or "semi"-translated (like reishi). I might translate konpaku as "spirit", even though it's borrowed from the Chinese term for "whole of one's soul, the shade (identity/mind) and vim (life-force/qi)", where the generality, here, I guess = the summation; but it's difficult to create a two-syllable match (-paku ends up sounding nearly like "pawk") without sacrificing some nuance--that's where glosses/"trivia" helps out a lot. Maybe leaving it as konpaku, too, would be better???

I use Soul King, or simply untranslated Reiō, but, I must admit, that's little more than my preference based on the above reasoning. Adam Restling (talk) 12:45, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Chapter 519
Here's the kanji and romaji to some of the many terms mentioned in chapter 519 that require confirmation, particularly the English translation. Here is the raw. Blackstar1 (talk) 14:27, December 6, 2012 (UTC)



"Reiōkyū omote sandō" (霊王宮表参道) is Hikifune's description, "(an) ingress to the front of the Reiou Palace": omote is "face", but is also used for the front or exterior of a building (as here); sandō is "a road approaching a shrine" (san, here meaning "going/coming/visiting" + dō "way, road"). It's a kind of "vestibule-road", the "entrance which continues to the Reiou Palace inner hall/palace" (Reiōkyū honden he tsuzuku iriguchi).

Reiō daidairi (霊王大内裏) does mean the "greater Reiō Palace" (daidairi = "greater palace", apparently, more lit., "the great within").

Kirinden (麒麟殿) is "kirin palace/hall", named after the mythical animal by way of Kirinji's surname, most likely.

Chi no Ike Jigoku (血の池地獄) means the "Blood Pond Hell", likely a reference to the pool of blood Diyu (Chinese hell; Mandarin Diyu and Japanese Jigoku ultimately hail from the same term).

Similarly, Hakkotsu Jigoku (白骨地獄), as Kirinji seems to refer to his hot spring as--meaning the "White Bone Hell"-- is probably taken from some other Diyu wherein sinners are bleached down to their bones, maybe via cauldrons of cooking oil... but I couldn't find a specific reference for that one as easily. Adam Restling (talk) 18:39, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Seireimon
Looking through some older scans, the term 'Seireimon came up, apparently a collective reference to the four gates of Seireitei. Of course, these older translations were far more erroneous than our current ones. Nonetheless, the term only appears on one article on the whole site. Has it ever actually appeared in the series? Mohrpheus  (Talk)  02:43, December 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Can you clue us into a certain place where we might [start the] search for the term in the manga, for easier perusal-for-reference's sake :)? Adam Restling (talk) 18:42, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I searched it on the Japanese Wiki, and found they reference the Four Great Seireimon (or "Seirei gates") (四大瀞霊門 Shidai Seireimon), both as (like you said) the collective term for all the gates; as well as with Jidanbō and his buds being the Four Great Seireimon Gatekeepers (四大瀞霊門門番 Shidai Seireimon Monban). But I'm not sure where in the manga these terms are exactly given; if I find them, I'll let you know. Adam Restling (talk) 19:02, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the vague request, it didn't even occur to me to at least tell you where I saw the term. Looking back, the term comes up in Chapter 72, when Yoruichi is telling Ichigo's group who Jidanbō is. The translation in question was from an old mangareader.net scan. Mohrpheus   (Talk)  22:13, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Retsu
With the revelation that Unohana's real name is Yachiru, we need to look at the name Retsu. What does it mean and is it a nickname or a middle name. Thanks.--

I found the Kanji (卯ノ花八千流 Unohana Yachiru) and the raw.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 18:59, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

http://i.imgur.com/L2X4R.jpg

Shunsui
We were recently given Shunsui's full name as typical in bleach we need to know whats actually a name and whats a nickname or title. We also need to know the proper order of the name. In the chapter it is given as Kyoraku Jiron Souzousa Shunsui. Now in are order im guessing Shunsui Souzousa Jiron Kyoraku would be correct but need more input. Also still need raw.--