Forum:The flaw in Aizen's plan

Aizen's plan might just not work at all, even if he manges to defeat the Gotei 13, he's running out of Arrancar, and most likely his espada, Gin and Tousen, and even himself would be greatly injuured(assuming he won).

Now if he wins but the espada and antagonistic captains are all injured, and he proceeds to create the King's Key.....HE'S STILL GOT SQUAD 0 TO FIGHT! Squad 0,or the Royal Guard, inhabits the dimension of Soul Society's King, and all of its members are at least at captain level (i might say above captainl level).

This would seem to screw Aizen's plan, I'd like your thoughts on this.

Shini Rebirth 17:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Id tend to agree for a obvious reason. If aizen wins thats the end of the series. The basic concept of the series exists around the continuation of shinigami and soul society they are the main part of keeping the balance if they dont exist the world as we know it ceases to exist. This is the main reason behind them killing off all the quincy, because their actions would dirsupt the balance. Not to mention its highly unlikely that they would destroy a main location like karakura town and all the secondary inhabits who we have come to know. If for no other reasons then that. Also as you stated even if he defeated the Gotei 13 he would have to still face the royal guard and then there is the mysterious spirit king, i would guess to be the king he would have to be more powerful then anyone we have seen and Aizen wouldnt even be able to comprehend what power he has i mean after all he lives in another dimension why hasnt anyone questioned why thats at all necessary considering how he doesnt really govern. There has to be a serious reason for that. I dont presume to know what will happen but destroying the town or actually winning for that matter i just dont see happening if the series is to continue.Salubri 17:27, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Salubri, I did not say that was what was going to happen it's kind of a moot point debating if Aizen will win( obviously not). What I meant was merely to state the fact that Aizen( a master strategist) had a major flaw in his plan.

I'd also like to satte that the king of Soul Society must be pretty weak, if he needs such a strong personal guard.

first i wasnt disagreeing with your point i was stating mine. secondly that your interpretation of the kings power makes no sense by the very concept of what is given by the spiritual power of the four noble families that has been stated their power exceeds that of others therefore it would only stand to reason that his is far in excess of what we know. If soul society is similar in the respect of heaven as a after life that would make the spirit king similar to god. Also all royalty have bodyguards so thats not even a necessary point to make that he has to be weak because he has powerful bodyguards. Aizen has two former captains and 3 considerably powerful espada under him either protecting or fighting for him so by your estimation he must be weak. Your not the only one with a point of view i wasnt even talking about in reflection to anything you said i could have just have easily been making a point without having read yours at all.Salubri 19:09, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Were is yamamoto's Oken?? the old one?? if Aizen kills yama-jii... will take her key??Hexanort 20:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Salubri, regarding the king's power cannot be measured by his position, just look at the central 46,they ruled over captains, and were extremely weak.

Shini Rebirth 20:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

They ruled over soul society as a chosen government nothing more. That was their position as they are randomly picked out of soul society for that role their neither nobles or royalty nor are they even around but normally shut off from the rest of soul society and them normally engaging in anything is not even the point. The king is obviously on another level otherwise he would be in soul society and aizen wouldnt be trying to take his place and would be happy at the level he is currently. The entire plot he has is centered around getting to the king and taking his position. In fact everything in bleach is measured by position in some way. Captains are more powerful then all other officers and the lieutenants are all more powerful then those under them and so on. Even the espada are more powerful then each other from 1 on down and in turn more powerful then other arrancar. So to say that power isn't measured by position is entirely inaccurate.Salubri 20:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh Lord, again with "Aizen won't win, he won't kill the entire city 'cause it's where Ichigo and friends have their stuff going on when not in SS or Hueco Mundo..". That's not the point here. Salubri, dude, you think just in black and white. Karakura Town won't get wiped, but who knows, it could lead to a new arc where Ichigo and buds would have to fight to avenge and maybe "recuperate" the city somehow. The only thing I think will never ever happen is Ichigo getting killed for sure. The main character gets beaten, even dies (even for a couple of secs) but he always come back. But just saying that Aizen won't win because it'd end the show and blah blah is once again, stating the obvious and not looking outside of the box. Many things can happen here. This attack could've been only to weaken SS, as some captains are trapped in Hueco Mundo and the others in Karakura are not doing so well, with the exception of Komamura and Yama-ji who are still 100% and then, even if he doesn't manage to sacrifice Karakura for the key, what if he already has it? huh? The point of all this deception was to bash the hell outta SS and leave then in no condition to hinder his plans. Remember, at first we all thought he wanted to use Orihime for something but no, he only used her as decoy to get as many people in Hueco Mundo and leave them there. Hell, he may even get to where the King lives with his Vasto Lorde buds and a whole new arc would begin. But yes, at the moment, things don't look so good for him. He's got Gin, Tousen, superchunky, Wonder banshee boy and 3 Espadas against Yama-ji, 4 captains (injured and tired Soifon, Hitsugaya - 100% Komamura and slightly bruised: Kyoraku) and 7 Vizards. But who knows, again, it's too obvious that the table has been turned and SS has the upper hand now. Just try to think outside of the box, like I said. Anything can happen now, reinforcements or just another bright light to get them outta there... Deimonos 17:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Deimonos has a good point. What if Aizen does succeed in creating the key? Would it really mean the end? I doubt that. Even if the city is destroyed, There is still a slight possibility that it can be restored. No one knows how it will be done, but it would make a bigs hock to the audience. Plus, if he is successful, it would bring in more characters, the Royal Guard, and maybe other older characters like Isshin and Kisuke into the fight. Its just an idea, but it seems like a big catastrophe would be a good add on into the story.--Moe1216 18:23, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

And in my opinion, Aizen seems like the long running enemy. That big shot who everyone's being going for but he keeps slipping by. Anyways, I don't think he'll lose here and even less die. He'll get what he wants, one way or another and another arc will follow after that. Kubo's made a fine epic saga so far and killing Aizen or even not allowing him to get what he wants would just stall the series. Yeah, I bet something shocking is gonna happen, like Ukitake getting out of action for a while; Vasto Lordes showing up to "clear the way" for the next arc; Ichigo and buds will get out of Hueco Mundo, Zaraki, Unohana or the 12th division one will defeat Yami and move on; I'm even tripping here and say that what if Shinji and Vizards finish Aizen and turn against SS? Hmm, why now and not before? Maybe they were training to perfect their powers and waiting for the right moment, which is when Aizen put his plan in motion. Like fighting agains him, get what he came for and bang, payback here we go.. LOL, the last part was just me wondering about stuff, but the rest, well, just especulating possible future scenarios. Laters Deimonos 18:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I think something needs to be said here. Deimonos not everyone believes Aizen is all powerful. You do and that fine but dont presume to jump on me because i dont worship the character, they talked up the skill and power of ulquiorra and killing him off and the likely hood is either the same happens to Aizen or he is a long standing enemy though, i personally feel there is nothing more to the character to keep him as an effective enemy as for every plan or high power there has to be a counter to it. Also you will find that im not interested in making up stuff just cause i want them to happen. 90% of what you just wrote is not even speculation its not based on any fact even partially its just fan fiction, kubo rights the storylines, where you come up with another arc after aizen supposedly wins, shinji and vizards will turn on soul society, there not possible scenarios a possible scenario is within the realm of the storyline and unless your writing them you dont know its just wishful fan thinking like that fake version of 368 someone made up. The question was is aizen's plan flawed i gave my take on it, your just praising aizen here.Salubri 19:38, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, I guess it goes both ways then. You think he's got nothing more to show and believes that Karakura won't get wiped no matter what otherwise the anime is over and if Aizen wins again the shows done. It's also your opinion and like you said, unless your writing the stories, it's just what you think and that's pretty much it. And I did say, I was trippin' there when I made all that possible future scenarios. I was just trying to point out that there's more to it than your black and white "main character's home town can't be erased or it's over" "Shinigami can't lose or it's over." There's many ways Kubo can write it so Shinigami or Karakura can be wiped or lose without killing the whole show but to open new storyline possibilities. Deimonos 19:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Im gonna agree with Salubri, Bleach hopefully isn't like that crappy new Star Trek movie where they totally destroyed years of work to open up new storylines for the future. There are much better ways to do that without it having to revolve around one bad guy forever. After a while it gets stale how many arrancar is Aizen gonna throw at them before its like of this is boring. Yes we all know there are many possibilities to what can happen I just dont see Aizen winning is one, there are other characters in this series I think you forget Deimonos, Character are far more popular then Aizen, whats the likely hood kill one guy or a whole bunch. Its a true statement not everyone worships Aizen, do i like the original plot twist sure but the i know everything attitude is getting old quick. It would be fan based thinking to assume that the vary bases of which the story is centered around could be destroyed otherwise it would seem your talking about a whole new unrelated series. Ive seen plenty of people talking about wiping out shinigami and karakura town yet continue on with the stories but a better question is how. A story has to be based on something concrete or you have no story. Say you wipe out shinigami then no one stops hollow or governs souls, then the world ends that much is stated so then what. Say you wipe karakura town then main setting of the story is gone so i guess we go to another town ok, what about everyone we know that lives there. None of these ideas have anything to do with furthering the story, try something original if you wanna make up scenario's maybe something where the bases of the story doesn't have to be destroyed to fulfill your plans. I believe there is a flaw in aizen's plan unless he can see the future and knows everyones thoughts he can not plan for everything, so he might be getting way over his head. he might not die but some of his lackeys probably will, the big money is on tosen after all he has come full circle from leaving to being faced with the two who knew him best.YesMonarch 20:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I see what you meant there YesMonarch. But in the end, you've gotta agree with me that it's only a matter of opinion here, right? And just to clarify some stuff, I didn't mean to say something like wiping the whole Shinigami Society. I meant something like Aizen e co. incapacitate or keep them busy while he gets (or not) what he came for. Remember that he's pretty much accomplish the first part by leaving Ichigo, his buds and a few captains stuck in Hueco Mundo and giving a hell of a fight to Soifon and Hitsugaya. Sure, he probably won't wipe Karakura and most if not all of the current captains won't die (even Ukitake) but my gut tells me he ain't gonna die or lose here. Just my 2 cents. About the rest, I know what you meant. Let's see what happens, ok? Laters peeps Deimonos 20:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

This is Aizen we are talking about. I mean, I find it hard to believe that he doesn't have some kind of back up plan. I mean, Aizen is nothing if not cunning. He seems to always have back up. He probably has some kind of plan if his Espada fall, I mean he clearly knows the strength of Yamamoto. I think that this Flaw in his plan is actually just a way to weaken the SS and the Arrancar, I mean, they must all be starting to realize that Aizen may not have their best interests in mind. I mean, over half of them are dead. They are not even sure what exactly he plans to do after he gets to the kings realm, for all we know, he could actually be the Kings subordinate and the King is really trying to elimante the world of Arrancar and Shinigami for some reason. But that's just a stab in the dark.Elementite 12:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)