Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner/Archive 11

Contentious Translations
I'm not sure how "contentious" this is, but I'm not sure where else it would go. I've noticed that while Kokujō Tengen Myō'ō has an apostrophe separating the two ō's, Kikōō (the phoenix from the Sōkyoku) does not. Is there a reason behind this?--Xilinoc (talk) 05:02, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Nope XD.

This is just an artificial device used by some romanizers to a) as here, separate identical phonemes (like the two ōs) for aesthetic/legibility reasons, or b) to distinguish one phoneme from another phoneme, which would otherwise look identical in romanization. An example of the latter would be, say, the Japanese masculine name Kenichi. Often times, a name of this sort will be *rextra*-romanized as Ken'ichi to show that the (underlying) hiragana spelling would be KE-N-I-CHI, with the centre two kana being the (syllable/mora-final) nasal (-)n (ん) and the vowel i (い), rather than KE-NI-CHI, where the central kana is now the single syllable/mora ni (に). This is apparently to aid in pronunciation/spelling-understanding, but I don't like it, its artificiality, or its (IMO) lack of necessity. I say, just remember it's usually Ken-i, not Ke-ni, kids!

I don't know if the Wiki has an official policy about it either way, though. Hmm...

If it were up to me, we'd spell all the native Japanese "long vowels" correctly, e.g. oo, ou, uu, and leave usage of the macronized ones for slang, dialectal, and adapted-from-non-Japanese words when these were expressed by the long mark (ー), which I think the macron emulates/transliterates nicely. Adam Restling (talk) 09:59, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hitsugaya's New Techniques
So we have two new techniques for hitsugaya that needs translations.

Ryōjin Hyōheki : 俺が綾陣氷壁で足止めする！ (the kanji is somewhere in this sentence) : Woven Ice Wall? - ch 550

Rokui Hyōketsujin - ch 551 --

Ryōjin hyōheki (綾陣氷壁), assuming the Kanji are correct, means something (as Salubri guessed) like "woven-/shaped-array ice wall"; like I mentioned under the previous chapters' "hollow ice wall" queries, there's no guarantee this is a technique name and not just a description of what the technique does. Usually, if it is intended as a name, we get something like quotes around it, e.g. Sui-Feng's "Mukyū Shunkō".

I don't have a raw for ch. 551 yet, so hopefully I can get it--and so the rest the answers--soon :). Adam Restling (talk) 01:21, October 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * . By the way, no quotes again. — ЖенёqSig.png 11:49, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the Kanji. Despite the lack of quotes, this one seems more likely (if not confirmed) as an actual technique name, since it uses non-common words and is spoken as kind of a stand-alone thing instead of an explanation. Rokui Hyōketsujin looks to mean "six-clothed ice binding-array", referring to its snare "binding" the target from within the array of six snowflake-like "grid" points. Adam Restling (talk) 10:06, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Error on Resurreción page
For "Fénix" it should read (不滅王 (フェニーチェ), Fenīche, but instead is (憤獣 (イーラ), which is actually Yammy's Ira. Rabukurafuto (talk) 22:04, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Zanjutsu Instructor: Nagamoso Shūtetsu?
Can we please get some verification on the text from this picture from volume 60's in between chapter sketches. It purportedly reveals the name of this character as "Nagamoso Shūtetsu". Thanks, 11:03, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Damn Kubo and his a) occasional use of obscure-ass Kanji and b) sloppy handwriting in these omake. Trying to read Kubo's handwriting is always good at making me hate the world XD. Even coming up with a tentative POSSIBILITY of what these Kanji might be was a hideous travail, and not even Googling the possibilities--or parts thereof--turned up anything about this guy.

Still, my best *guess* based on the available data is that his name *may* be (in Japanese surname-given name order): Nagakiso Shūtetsu. The furigana taken above for も mo (whence Naga mo so) *could* instead be き ki (the top of 橧 nearly crosses it, further confusing the image), and since 橧 (sorry, this is only version of the Kanji Javascript will allow; see its Wiktionary page for the version as it nearly appears--thought with a stylized 田--in the above pic) alone is read s(h)o(u), zou, this suggests to me that, if I'm right, the *nagaki part is just an archaic form of the adjective nagai, whose root is naga- "long".

The -tetsu in Shūtetsu, meanwhile, seems to be 嚞, an apparent triplicate of 吉 "fortun(at)e, good, luck(y)" (or 吉 + 吉's duplicate, 喆 "sage, wise"); this was the closest Kanji I could find that also had the reading tetsu.

Neither 橧 nor 嚞 could be found on the usu. reliable Mahou.org; I had to trick them out of Wiktionary (!).

In full, the legend of the picture of him *seems* to say (incredibly messily) "Troop 10 Zanjutsu Instructor Shūtetsu Nagakiso" (十番隊斬術指南役 長橧秋嚞(ながきそしゅうてつ) Jūbantai Zanjutsu Shinanyaku Nagakiso Shūtetsu) but, as I said, the chicken-scratch is soooo scratchy--just look how crappy the putative 十番隊 looks!

As for the little description (?) next to him, it seems to be "It's not a shaved forehead, it's baldness" (月代ではなくハゲ Sakayaki/Tsukishiro [not sure which reading's intended] de ha naku hage). Apparently sakayaki AND tsukishiro are both valid readings of 月代, an archaic term for a shaved part of the forehead. Poor guy...

If anyone has a raw, still, of that ch. a while ago where Hitsugaya went to train under him again (after losing his Bankai)--I think that was the case--do they know if his name was cited there? I can't check myself at-present. Until then, this is da best I cans do. Adam Restling (talk) 09:05, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Chapter 556
For some reason, the 556 raw isn't out on mangahead yet, but a translated version's already up. In any case, Komamura introduces a new bankai. Well, sort of. It's apparently called "Kokujō Tengen Myōō Dangai Joue" and I'm kinda curious. Anyone? --Reikson (talk) 16:47, November 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Mangahead usually adds the raws a few days later, generally around Friday. Anyway, tacking on my own question to this. It may also need to be checked if this "Dangai Joue" is part of a new Bankai name, or if it's a new ability name for his improved Bankai.

Raws are out. Put it here for checking: --EvilDragonLord (talk) 18:25, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Dangai Jōe = 断鎧縄衣 []

Thanks to Dragonlord for the Kanji; the link above didn't work for me, then tried to pull some ad-click nonsense, but I *think* those Kanji look correct.

It seems like Dangai Jōe is not exactly a "new" Bankai anymore than humanized Komamura is a "new" Komamura, but a new/specialized technique/form it's become capable of. Dangai Jōe itself is the description: "severed mail (and) thread-clad" (note here I use mail in the sense "armor"). Myōō has discarded/broken open (severed) his armor and remains mostly clad (at least torso-wise) in the black threads/ropes; Kokujō "black thread(s)" is the Japanese translation of Kalasutra, the hot Naraka or "Hell" that the Zanpakutou's form is apparently the metaphoric vidyaraja (myōō) of.

This is what Koma himself suggests in his description: "Kokujō Tengen Myōō is a Bankai of armor which has had life breathed into it. Dangai Jōe, casting off that armor, has become a form baring nothing but reiatsu, nothing but power." I guess Dangai Jōe is like that trick Byakuya did against Ichigo with Senbonzakura, "abandoning defense to focus solely on attack", but on a grander (and apparently more Pyrrhic) scale. Adam Restling (talk) 09:41, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Translations for Ch 551
We have to confirm the translation for bazz-b's techniques and for the kido that Nanao used.

Burner Finger 1 : バーナーフィンガー

Burning Stomp - ch 551

Hakūdan Keppeki

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Burner Finger 1 (バーナーフィンガー1(ワン) Bānā Fingā Wan) looks correct.

I don't have a raw for the rest (chiefly ch. 551); hope to soon :). Adam Restling (talk) 01:04, October 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * — ЖенёqSig.png 11:39, October 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * — ЖенёqSig.png 11:39, October 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * — ЖенёqSig.png 11:39, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again. Looks like the katakana for the "burn" pair are correct. Hakudan Keppeki seems to mean "white severing boundary wall"; the element 結 "fasten, tie, bind" turns up in the frequent-in-manga word kekkai (結界) "barrier" (< "bound world/realm"). I'd guess that since "white" is also often used in the sense we would clear or blank that the reference is to a transparent boundary wall that cuts the caster off from attacks from outside. Adam Restling (talk) 10:00, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Chapter 552 stuff
Another raw, more stuff to translate.

First up: Cang Du's title - The Iron (kana seems to be either シアイアン/Shiaian or ジアイアン/Jiaian, can't tell), from the bottom panel here.

Next is the Shineiyaku pills. I don't have the resources for Kanji typing at my disposal, but it's the top panel here.

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EDIT: Okay..... uh.... don't click those links. Mangahead doesn't seem to like being linked. Anyway, it's pages 3 and 11 of the raw.....

Thanks for the help; and yeah, Mangahead doesn't like teh links. Yep: Cang Du is apparently Sternritter "I": "The Iron" (星十字騎士団 "I" 「鋼鉄」 (シュテルンリッター アイ ジ・アイアン) Shuterunrittā Ai Ji Aian); ji is used to simulate the with its pronunciation before a vowel sound of dhee (rather than thǝ, as occurs before a consonant sound; this is rendered by Japanese za). The underlying Kanji of The Iron (鋼鉄) actually mean "steel" (kōtetsu)--though lit. the compound is "steel" + "iron"; Kubo did a similar thing (if I'm remembering right) with the Arrancars' Hierro which, while Spanish for "iron", had underlying Kanji meaning "steel skin".

Shineiyaku (侵影薬) means "shadow-raiding drug(s)"; specifically, yaku/kusuri covers "drug(s), medicine, medication", etc. Adam Restling (talk) 10:36, October 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's Shin'eiyaku, isn't it? — ЖенёqSig.png 10:56, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

If it has to be; I personally loathe the artificiality of distinguishing mora-closing -n from mora-closing vowel + following mora-opening n- in such a way (an apostrophe or hyphen or whatnot) ;). Adam Restling (talk) 21:05, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

"Shéjìngzhǎo"... or "Shéjìnzhǎo"?
The apparent technique that Cang Du uses in ch. 553 ("Frozen Cross") has the Kanji 蛇勁爪 "snake-strong claw(s)" (read: strong snake claw(s) ?), and the phonetic katakana spelling Shejintsao (シェジンツァオ). The chief problem is, in the intended Mandarin, 勁 could be spelled as either jìng OR jìn, although I *think* the first may be the more common--and both of these would prob. be spelt jin in katakana. So I'm not sure exactly which is the correct, intended spelling. For a smidge more explanation re: this, see here. Also note that one could, informally, drop the tone diacritics and just write the name as Shejin(g)zhao (like the databooks do with Sui-Feng). Adam Restling (talk) 13:45, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

Bambietta's Epithet
Raws are out. Put it here for checking:
 * The Explode = 爆撃 (ジ・エクスプロード); Bakugeki (Ji Ekusupurōdo)[]--EvilDragonLord (talk) 18:25, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again to Dragonlord; my raw also seems to confirm it. His Kanji and katakana look correct. And those underlying Kanji of bakugeki (爆撃), which usually translate "bombing (as in a raid or attack)" are more lit. a combination of 爆 "burst open, pop, split; bomb (< "that bursts apart")" + 撃 "beat, attack, strike". Adam Restling (talk) 10:06, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Werewolf vs. Manwolf
I suppose this one comes down to interpretation and semantics. The kanji from the RAW are "人狼". And unless I'm mistaken, a particular movie shares the name. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  06:31, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it could be splitting hairs, but I guess it really depends on whether we think the term werewolf/ves is too bound up in a particular mythology involving the full moon and Lon Chaney, Jr. (XD), or whether it's still okay to apply to a less pigeonholed idea of a half-man, half-wolf. The word werewolf itself, of course, merely incorporates the descendant of the more prolific (in those days) Old English equivalent of "man" (= "male", not "human"), were (Old English wer, akin to Latin vir of the same meaning), so that werewolf is just a more historic synonym for manwolf.

Yes, the movie I think you're talking about is Jin-Roh (proper Japanese romanization: Jinrou), of the same meaning. It can apparently also signify, I think, a more metaphoric "man/men like wolf/ves" > "savage (fighters)(s)", the same way that modern English berserk(er) can mean "crazed (person)", but goes back to Old Norse berserkr "bear-shirt(ed)", since such warriors would wear these animal pelts and psych themselves into a bestial frenzy in battle.

Maybe "man(-)wolf/ves" would be the safest? Adam Restling (talk) 10:20, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Komamura's Technique
And again, MangaPanda and MangaStream's translations conflict with one another (人化の術). Mohrpheus  (Talk)  06:31, November 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm apporting the reading for 人化の術 that is Jinka no Jutsu. Raw source:[]--EvilDragonLord (talk) 17:05, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Jinka no Jutsu combines jutsu which, as NARUTO has taught us again and again, means "technique" or "art", with 人化, which basically means "humanize; humanization": 人 "human, person" + 化 "change, take the form of"--usu. used as the Japanese equivalent of English -ize or -fy and their variants/derivatives (seen also in Horouka "Hollowfaction"). Usually one meets a fuller compound gijinka (擬人化), which means "personification, anthropomorphization", etc, incorporating 擬 "mimic". Perhaps Kubo used the form here, the "humanization technique" (人化の術) to distinguish that Komamura isn't merely mimicking or being ascribed (false) human shape (as gijinka seems to imply), but reclaiming his original, genuine humanity (bestial though in part it is). Adam Restling (talk) 10:34, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Special War Powers
Alright, I looked through the archives and found that the term "Special War Power" was discussed here. In said discussion, Adam said that he wasn't quite sure how to put all of the kanji together at that point. Now, the term we currently use is the one which was used in the speedscans of the chapters it was mentioned in, and as we know, those can be...unreliable, to put it lightly. Hence, my request is this: could you take another look at the kanji and determine a definite term, Adam?

Here's the kanji for reference: 特記戦力

--Xilinoc (talk) 22:28, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

特記戦力 Tokki Senryoku is a combination of tokki, "special mention/notation, notability" (< toku "special, distinct" + ki "account, chronicle, notation") and senryoku "fighting power(s)" (more or less a lit. rendering).

If I were to try another crack at translating it, I think I'd render it "notable/noted fighting power(s)". "Special war power(s)/potential(s)" is just another possible rendering. But this (特記戦力) is an invented and not a commonly used compound (though made up of the two common compounds, 特記 and 戦力), so it's a bit more awkward translating it into an English form both accurate in meaning and not ponderous-looking or -sounding. Adam Restling (talk) 01:33, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Balancers
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n301/ShadeofDemon/Balancer_zps85eccc3a.jpg

Finally got a hold of the RAW with the kanji/kana for the term "Balancers." Could we get a translation and confirmation on this one? Mohrpheus  (Talk)  03:30, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry; I didn't realize this term had till-now been without such data. Balancer(s) (調整者 （バランサー） Baransā)--and those Kanji do seem correct--combines -者 -er (noun suffix, often with an agential or derivational-of-the-root meaning) with 調整, which is more often translated "regulation, adjustment, modification, tuning" (< 調 "tune, tone, style, mode" + 整 "organize, arrange"), but could reasonably (as in its use here) be applied to "balance".