Forum:Hollow Ichigo... when this all started?

He may have awaken when Ichigo first confronted Renji and Byakuya refer Chapter 53 to 57 when trying to save Rukia.

Renji commented after Byakuya interferes Ichigo snapped and displayed some abnormal behaviour.

would like to discuss this matter in here, appreciate for any comments and or opinions.

Regards.Soulreaper1234 18:15, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

That would not be possible Ichigo did not start his hollowification until his training with Urahara to regain his Soul Reaper powers. Hollows form by the loneliness or regret a soul had during its time alive. So hollow ichigo always comments how weak Ichigo is and that he lacks killer instinct. Which leads me to think that hollow ichigo was born from Ichigo's regret of not being able to save his mother and rukia, plus if you notice hollow ichigo only comes out in battle when Ichigo fails to protect someone on his own accord and needs help, i.e., needing to win to protect. During Ichigo's final fight with Byakuya when it starts to look very grim for Ichigo he says to himself"Why have I come all this way nothing will change if I don't win!" in other words Rukia would have died(Byakuya would have most likely killed her and Renji) if Ichigo lost to Byakuya and Ichigo would have failed. This same case with the final fight with Ulquiorra. --Lemursrule 19:03, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

I was having doubt that the Hollowification (Shatter Shaft Training) created Shiro Ichigo or White Ichigo after reviewing this again and again and again http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/55/13/ and http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/55/14/ and

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/56/06/ Soulreaper1234 19:31, June 19, 2010 (UTC) In here Ichigo was talking about winning INSANELY, same like when he at his limit White Ichigo took over his body and ridicules Byakuya and then when normal Ichigo tries to regained controls all he says he was going to WIN before being subdued by Ichigo in that final battle with Byakuya plus in all the Darkside of the Universe chapters all he talks was about winning and becoming more powerful when arguing or teaching normal Ichigo.

This is reaching at best. First and foremost its like saying that Ichigo can't have a any personality traits that are hyperactive or elated (which he does at various times in the series), without it being Hollow Ichigo. Despite the fact that at this time there was no such thing as Hollow Ichigo. Common unknown fact is Kubo doesn't write the stories that far in advance at this point in the story that your talking about he hadn't even created captains or the gotei 13. He just does what he does as he goes along. Not to mention that Hollow Ichigo didn't gain the ability to take control over Ichigo until his final fight with Byakuya. At this current time in the storyline Ichigo didn't even have his own spiritual powers they were Rukia's he had no access to Hollow powers at all. In chapter 55 doesn't showcase anything your stating as Ichigo's spiritual power was always great not to mention up until that point Renji didn't know anything about Ichigo's power or the oddness around it even as he was human. So what Ichigo was happy he was feeling good and felt that he wasn't gonna lose because of it. Now he's not allowed to feel invigorated or powerful. He's not allowed to gloat. He is a human teenager, he may have a good concept most of the time but he still isnt above these characteristics. He is your typical teen alot of time outside of the shinigami stuff. In chapter 56 it also doesn't showcase much considering Renji is making a statement about Ichigo's actions and character when he doesn't even personally know the guy. The actions and character as well as power are abnormal to him cause he hasn't seen it before. If Rukia said it may have carried more weight but she didn't so these points dont help your idea they actually further disprove it. --Salubri (Talk)  20:56, June 19, 2010 (UTC)