Forum:Koga Kuchiki

I was just wondering guys/gals do you you really think Kouga was at fault for his actions??? Because to me, it seemed like he was framed and nobody even seemed to care...anybody???

I agree, it seems to me that even though the soul society is big on justice, they don't really do much investigating. They just listened to the guy that claimed to be a victim and passed koga's innocence of, not really hearing his side of the story.Lazychubb 05:37, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Soul Society seems more focused on the nipping the bud more than trying to be fair about their actions, which to me seems like SS is more of a corrupt society than what it claims to be. Like in all Manga, SS made it's own enemies and then tries to justify their actions by deeming any rebel a villain. Look at Tosen. He was a good man, but the actions, or no actions, taken by the SS made him hate the group that excused the unjust murder of a woman whom he deeply respected. I really don't have any remorse or respect for SS, because the idea of shoot first talk second for a government or military is pitiful. Plus they remind me too much of Danzo from NARUTO, and for those who know who he is, hopefull you'll see my point.--Moe1216 14:11, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Kouga was framed, but that was done to make him realize who he is: just another shinigami. He was getting full of himself, and needed a little reality check. If he would have obeyed Ginrei, I think he would have gotten out of it, if not for any other reason, then because he was member of Kuchiki and they could have done something for him. He himself rebelled and didn't have patience that a noble needs to have. It was just a test for him, I'm quite sure. --Akeki 19:02, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

I have another random question about Koga. His powers are AWESOME against shinigami, there is no doubting that, however, would he be effective against a hollow? Would he be truly effective against an Arrancar like the Espada? My assumption is that his fighting skill and level of reiatsu is high enough that he would/could find a way to win, but his powers are almost entirely guided toward fighting a shinigami civil war (Good thing during his day there was a rebellion huh?). Again, just a question I thought I'd throw out there. Orionradar 21:59, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not too big on SS, they make too much enemies for themselves. Case and point, Sojuro Kusaka, Kaname Tosen, The Dark Ones, (argueably) Shusuke Amagai etc. Even in The DiamondDust Rebellion they turned on Hitsuguya without even a proper investigation. I think the major currupt part of SS are dead though, the Central 46. Now Kouga wasn't responsible for what happened to him. It doesn't matter if he was confident, all he was trying to do was get Ginrei's approval, and he thought the best way to do it would be to get strong, and he did become powerful, but still wasn't acknowledge by Ginrei. Then when everyone turned on him and Ginrei still had that cold demeanor when speaking to him in jail he followed what Muramasa told him. Then after realizing what he had done, he had a mental breakdown and essential became an insane person. Put yourselves in his position, at one point your on top of the world, then its all suddenly STOLEN from you and instead of glory, you're given disgrace. He isnt responsible for his actions, the elites that framed him are.

In a fight against Hollows, Koga would have no trouble. Muramasa's first ability can still work, and Kouga is clearly a Kido Master, plus he has his normal swordsmanship to rely on AND his immense reiatsu. Its like asking if a Captain can kill a Hollow without Bankai or Shikai.Grimmjow2 23:04, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Grimmjow, What do you mean Muramasa's first ability? He also rejected the necessity of keeping Muramasa, so he wouldnt be able to rely on him in battle (as we saw against Byakuya). Also, that's exactly what I'm saying about without bankai and shikai. We saw every captain and vizard release at least one of the two (typically fighting with other captains/vizard to take on individual espada). At that point, Koga prefers to work alone, and is so confident that he could do it alone. I still think he'd have trouble. Orionradar 00:16, January 26, 2010 (UTC)