Talk:Ichigo Kurosaki

Species
Since Ichigo lost his Shinigami powers, why is he still classified as a "Human/Vizard" and not just "Human"?--私はあくまで執事ですから - "I'm one hell of a butler." ("Heaven?") 02:56, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ichigo said he is losing his powers, not that he has lost them. We wait until we have confirmation that he has lost his powers--God (Pray)  02:58, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

alright--私はあくまで執事ですから - "I'm one hell of a butler." ("Heaven?") 02:59, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well even if ichigo looses his soul reaper powers, he still has his hollow powers. {rigoberto 60} 02:59, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

That is pure speculation. And not very likely either, since Tensa Zangetsu's fused form represented Ichigo's spiritual power as a whole. Mohrpheus (talk) 15:09, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

There is no evidence that Ichigo will retain his hollow powers. Both Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo said farewell to Ichigo in their merged form. Therefore, stop it with the "he's going to retain his hollow powers" business. Tinni  (Talk)  15:12, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Saigo no Getsuga Tenshou
Just a request, but could the transformation currently dubbed as "The Getsuga" be moved under the Final Getsuga Tenshou section? The abilities section is supposed to be more about effects the ability itself, rather than how it was obtained. That information is already contained in the plot section anyway, there really isn't a need to be redundant. Saigo no Getsuga Tenshou is the transformation, with Ichigo describing it as becoming Getsuga itself. Mohrpheus (talk) 01:16, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Since it is a large edit, I will post it here first. Would anybody be opposed to the below replacing the current Final Getsuga Tenshou section? I reorganized it since the transformation is the Final Getsuga Tenshou, with Ichigo just describing its effect as "becoming the Getsuga." It also helps make the section a little more compact, without removing any information or references (a new reference is actually included here):


 * By using this technique, Ichigo becomes the Getsuga itself. It is referred to as the “Final” Getsuga Tenshou because if Ichigo uses it, he loses all of his Shinigami powers. For the duration of the ability, Ichigo’s hair turns black, and becomes waist-length. Black bandages form around his body, tightly wrapped around his torso, right arm, and face, ending just beneath his eyes. The remains of a tattered black cloak cover his lower body. In this form, Ichigo’s body constantly emits black reiatsu, most of which is focused around his right arm. Being in this form allows Ichigo to use Mugetsu; once it is used, the transformation dissipates, and his Shinigami powers begin to fade away.
 * Ichigo seemingly generates a blade of black energy out of thin air, and grabs it. Doing so brings forth a massive veil of black spiritual energy that covers the surrounding area and darkens the sky, damaging anything caught within the darkness. The energy then recedes, dissipating into the sky.

Mohrpheus (talk) 16:06, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Enhanced Bankai Duration
King Zeal brought up a good point on the forums. He pointed out that there is no credible source that Tensa Zangetsu's compression ability is the reason that Ichigo to use it for so long. Looking back over his fight with Byakuya, the only thing that he mentions the compression affecting is Ichigo's speed. This ability is never elaborated on again, so I can't think of any other possible sources. Zeal also pointed out that the entire Hueco Mundo arc is used as a reference, even though it never gives an explanation as to why Ichigo's Bankai can last so long; the "expelling energy" thing is more or less a fan theory. The original forum post can be found here. Mohrpheus (talk) 11:56, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yo Mohrp how bout my blog then [|here]. Anyway it is nice to finally had someone or a few users here to finally want to bring this up seriously.Soulreaper1234 (talk) 14:33, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

A better point would be to prove it not to be true. Plenty of information on the site is gained by observation and common sense and is supported by references. Instead of bringing stuff to a talk page as uses I would think it made sense for someone to look it up themselves. Instead we have a user that should know better once again neither defending the information or the site. We have another user once again bringing up his ridiculous blog topic which very content proves he knows little to nothing about the source material. Either way doesn't all matter seeing as this is another pointless argument I would suggest seeing as this is an issue what i previously suggested should now take place. Anyone concered can blame the above two for most of deletion of ichigo's page content. --Salubri (Talk)  15:42, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with Salubri. What else could it be, yes I do not think it was directly stated that that is the reason but I think it was pretty heavily implied to the point where it is safe to list it even with our own speculation policy. Ichigo's bankai compresses his spiritual energy, what else could this mean other than he uses up less energy allowing him to use his bankai for longer--God (Pray)  16:09, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

I understand why you have deleted alot of the stuff Salubri, to proove a point about infered knowledge and stated knowledge. However can you please return it to how it was, im on agreement with God here and i think the vast majority probably are too. GinIchimaru (talk)

What do you mean, Salubri deleting those contents with this thing Enhanced Bankai Duration that probably does not even have proper reference and back up, we just cannot assume something like few hundred episodes ago with the Byakuya's explanation as backing the theory of why Ichigo can stay that long with Bankai form. Even though he sounded angry with us - on my part I can only apologize.Soulreaper1234 (talk) 16:29, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

@Soulreaper1234 what Salubri has done is taken your idea of it can only count if its explicitly said and expanded it over the whole power and abilities article. If you see what he changed it was mainly attributes that had been expanded on through common sense and logical inference. Basically you cant have one rule for one section of the powers and abilities (bankai duration) and then have a different rule for the rest. So basically it's either we accept the bankai duration thing or we take out all the other info that isnt explicitly stated. GinIchimaru (talk) 16:36, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yes what he done here is the most sensible thing, taking a stance, this Bleach wiki are not about assuming things through some observation it is all about cold hard facts & figures all about the info from manga, art books, anime, game etc. Again I am so sorry for this happening mates.Soulreaper1234 (talk) 17:05, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

"Ichigo has over twice the spiritual power of the standard Shinigami captain, allowing him to maintain his Bankai for a longer period of time than most." That's another "likely" reason as to why he can use his Bankai for so long. The point is, anybody can come up with a logical explanation that sounds correct, but that does not necessarily make it so. Telling me to prove something wrong rather than right is a moot point; the very same people pointing the finger at me are the ones that taught me that this wiki deals with nothing by the facts. This is the second time I have been accused me of "failing to defend the information on the site." Assuming that I only started this topic for the sake of removing content is nothing short of ignorant, not to mention insulting, considering that the page was mutilated seconds after for the sake of proving a point. If I knew that that was the response I would get, then I would never have brought it up in the first place. This issue is far too trivial to get worked up over - if the consensus is that it should say, then I agree. Mohrpheus (talk) 20:17, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Firstly there is no established bases for that, by that point no one should be able to maintain a bankai more then a minute. Secondly The point being that your one of the main users on the site and yes this is the second time the fingers been pointed at you. Because instead of doing some form of investigation or possibly taking it upon yourself to figure out right or wrong of the content, it was another jump on the band wagon type of situation. I think all the admin are about sick and tired of having to be the only one alongside certain users to be the only ones defending the content. Whatever happened to taking some incentive here as its not like you dont know the content. Your right we deal with facts but observation is also supported by references. Its never stated factually that in bankai ichigo's getsuga tensho is black and red so by that point we cant list that it is either. But then again we have observed that it is an observational fact. So unless there is a way to rectify that concept with the one your insinuating we should logically go by the next time someone brings up something without a majority of support I wouldnt be qick to back it. Otherwise all observational facts are just as liable. Whats insulting and ignorant is that every time one person has a problem your quick to jump on their side instead of dealing with the issue and supporting the content. If the content is questionable and you dont know you need a large consensus, but do it on a forum they take up to much space for a talk page.--Salubri (Talk)  20:41, September 29, 2010 (UTC)