Bleach Wiki:Chat/July 23, 2012

 [11:47]  Be back later [12:09]  Hi MugetsuBorn, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [12:34]  Hi Mohrpheus, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [01:21]  Hi Minish Link, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [01:21]  Oh wow. [01:37]  Hi Crocodile1302, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [01:39]  wow really? [01:39]  tes [01:40]  that's kind of uhm pathetic... [01:40]  You're kind of pathetic [01:41]  Hi Crocodile1302, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [02:14]  Hi Minish Link, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [02:14]  Oh, hey -- you changed the welcome thing. [02:14]  Does that not mean you don't need Godisme bot though [02:14]  ? [04:15] <Godisme> Hi Aged Goblin, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [05:03] <Godisme> Hi KuroAshi98, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [05:05] <KuroAshi98> Okay... I ended up leaving for a tad longer then expected lol [05:06] <Godisme> Hi Arrancar109, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [05:07] <Arrancar109> Hey guys. [05:14] <KuroAshi98> Hey man~ [05:14] <Arrancar109> How's it going? [05:14] <KuroAshi98> Not too bad, just woke up half hour ago lol what about you~? [05:15] <Arrancar109> Just got on. [05:15] <Arrancar109> Not sure if God is listening in, but now I'm considering changing the banning conditions on Shibeq, since he tried a ban evasion last night, as you already know. [05:16] <KuroAshi98> Yeah I know [05:16] <KuroAshi98> Personally I'd wait and see what his next move was, it was a one week ban right? [05:17] <Arrancar109> Yep. [05:17] <Arrancar109> But I honestly don't see him doing any contributing. If anything, he pretty much intends to give Bleach fans and the users on this wiki the middle finger. [05:18] <KuroAshi98> Lol true, well it's up to you. If you think he's just going to be detrimental to the site, ban him for good. :p [05:19] <Arrancar109> I probably will. [05:19] <Arrancar109> Still, I want a second opinion. [05:19] <Arrancar109> Possibly from someone who's very biased against him. :p [05:19] <Arrancar109> (I'm looking at you, God) [05:20] <Arrancar109> We'll see if he pitches in. :p [05:20] <Arrancar109> So, how goes? [05:23] <KuroAshi98> Not too bad, just slowly working on OP images again. :p [05:23] <KuroAshi98> What's your plan for today~? [05:24] <Arrancar109> Probably nothing too big. Planning to watch Family Guy and maybe a DBZ movie tonight. [05:24] <Arrancar109> Working on a few other things as well. [05:24] <Arrancar109> But they're not Wiki related.d [05:26] <KuroAshi98> Haha fair enough, heard anymore news on the new DBZ movie? [05:26] <Arrancar109> A live-action one I'm guessing? [05:26] <Arrancar109> No, and I don't care too. Americanized anime on the cinema screen sucks. :p [05:26] <Godisme> Who's pinging me when Im trying to play tf2 [05:27] <Arrancar109> Oh, hey God. [05:27] <Arrancar109> Sorry about that [05:27] <Arrancar109> Maybe you can manipulate me into making a debateably corrupted decision. :p [05:27] <Godisme> I say ban the guy for good and stop thinking about him [05:28] <Arrancar109> There we go. :p [05:28] <Arrancar109> Well, like you read, he came back with a different name. [05:28] <Arrancar109> Hence why this discussion started that way. [05:29] <Godisme> Yeah, he's obviously nothing but a troll [05:29] <Godisme> Nothing would be lost by a permaban [05:30] <Arrancar109> And done. [05:30] <Arrancar109> BTW, God, he's not from Narutopedia. [05:30] <Arrancar109> He's just a "new" troll. [05:31] <KuroAshi98> Nah man, completely new animated DBZ film set for release in 2013. [05:31] <Arrancar109> Interesting. [05:31] <Arrancar109> Details? [05:31] <Arrancar109> Or none released as of yet that you can link me to? [05:31] <KuroAshi98> Akira Toriyama is also working on it. [05:31] <KuroAshi98> Ahh, let me check. [05:31] <Arrancar109> Interesting. [05:32] <KuroAshi98> http://www.saiyanisland.com/tag/dragon-ball-z-2013-movie/ Here's the list of news. [05:32] <Arrancar109> Well, God, if you got nothing else to say, I'll let you get back to Team Fortress 2 [05:32] <Arrancar109> Interesting, Kuro. [05:33] <Godisme> Nah, I quit out. The guy I was facing was being cheap [05:33] <Arrancar109> lol [05:33] <Arrancar109> And while there are certain things I hope for in the upcoming DBZ movie, Kuro, I won't get those hopes up. [05:33] <Arrancar109> But at the very least, Vegeta definitely needs a major role in it. [05:34] <KuroAshi98> Lol the only time I played TF2 online, they dropped me in a Japanese server. -_- Not fun haha [05:34] <KuroAshi98> Yeah, I'm only concerned about the fight scenes really. And DBZ with modern animation. :p [05:34] <Godisme> If they make Goku go SS5 someone needs to be shot [05:34] <Arrancar109> Definitely. [05:34] <KuroAshi98> Don't worry, it's before SSJ4's time. [05:34] <KuroAshi98> Between Majin Buu and when Uub turns up. [05:34] <Arrancar109> SSJ4 was one of the very few good things of DBGT. [05:34] <Arrancar109> And I emphasize on "very few". :p [05:35] <Godisme> I thought SS should have stopped at 2 [05:35] <Arrancar109> Can't blame ya, God. [05:35] <KuroAshi98> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIDHDif7fmo&amp;feature=player_detailpage#t=971s Lol like this Arrancar? ;) [05:36] <KuroAshi98> I reckon they should've been given names at least, instead of just numbered &gt;_&gt; [05:36] <Godisme> The idea behind SSJ2 was that there was a level beyond even that of Super Saiyan [05:36] <Godisme> Then they just got ridiculous and there was a level beyond the level beyond Super Saiyan [05:37] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [05:37] <Godisme> and to top things off, Vegeta goes SSJ4 without ever achieving SSJ3 [05:37] <KuroAshi98> Goku just needed an excuse when he came out with his interest in hair extensions. [05:37] <Arrancar109> It's because of the requirements for SSJ4 make it easy. [05:37] <Arrancar109> Heck, if Trunks, Goten, and Gohan still had tails, it'd be possible for them. [05:38] <KuroAshi98> Considering Tien was wished back with his arm restored at the beginning, shouldn't the others by that logic of been wished back with their tails? [05:38] <Arrancar109> Good point. [05:38] <Arrancar109> lol [05:39] <Arrancar109> Luke: "Oh my god! Rush Limbaugh!" [05:39] <Arrancar109> Limbaugh Rancor: "Rush Limbaugh Rule #1: No tax-dodging Jedis in my pit!" [05:39] <Arrancar109> Luke: "But Jedi is a religion! It's tax-exempt!" [05:40] <KuroAshi98> Haha xD [05:41] <Arrancar109> Interesting. [05:41] <Arrancar109> God, Lia came back and made a brief comment on As Nodt's Talk Page. [05:42] <Arrancar109> Heh, this As Nodt gender debate is entertaining. [05:42] <Arrancar109> Still hoping for it to be a female though, just because Bleach needs an insanely creepy female character. [05:42] <Godisme> I like Blackstar's suggestion. Does he really think we are going to use he/she in an article [05:42] <Godisme> My money is on male [05:42] <Arrancar109> I really don't like that idea. [05:42] <Godisme> Looks very masculine to me [05:42] <Arrancar109> Especially with "it" being the proper gender neutral pronoun. [05:43] <Arrancar109> And Kubo's known to avoid drawing certain types of females. [05:43] <Arrancar109> That kinda reinforces your prediction, God. [05:43] <Godisme> I originally had it all as they but Mohrph changed it to it [05:44] <Arrancar109> I think regardless of availability of RAWs, if As Nodt is shown in the upcoming chapter, the gender will likely be confirmed. [05:44] <Arrancar109> Unlike us, the characters in-story can hear As Nodt's voice. :p [05:44] <Godisme> heh [05:45] <Godisme> I just hope Kubo shows who attacked Kirge [05:45] <Arrancar109> Everyone hopes for that. [05:45] <Arrancar109> I want Grimmjow... badly. [05:45] <Godisme> and not leave us hanging for 10 chapters like he likes to do [05:45] <Godisme> Grimmjow is the only one that would make sense to me [05:45] <Arrancar109> But, as long as it's someone explainable, I have no complaints. [05:45] <Arrancar109> Meaning, if it is a Royal Guard member, I will be annoyed. [05:46] <Arrancar109> Greatly. [05:46] <Godisme> People have gotten so desperate to figuring it out, they are now saying it is Ashido [05:46] <Arrancar109> Right, like I'm going to believe that a character who was cut (but shouldn't have, IMO) did that. [05:46] <Godisme> Exactly [05:47] <Arrancar109> Aizen would make more sense than Ashido. [05:47] <Arrancar109> At least he's in the story. [05:48] <Godisme> Grimmjow we know is in Hueco Mundo, he is alive, likes to kill things and is quite strong [05:48] <Arrancar109> Yep. [05:48] <Godisme> It makes sense [05:48] <Arrancar109> BTW, I still disagree with Sal's theories that Arrancar can't get stronger. [05:48] <Arrancar109> By Sal's logic, Aizen downgraded his Espada in strength. :p [05:48] <Godisme> I do as well [05:49] <Godisme> Considering there is canon evidence of it [05:49] <Arrancar109> Nnoitra, most noticeably. [05:49] <Godisme> Nnoitra flat out said he is stronger now [05:49] <Godisme> We even saw his Zanpakuto change appearance [05:49] <Arrancar109> He wouldn't have said "That number doesn't mean anything anymore" if there was no truth to it. [05:50] <Arrancar109> True, Nnoitra also thinks he is the strongest, but he knows his own level of power in comparison to others more than anyone. [05:50] <Godisme> He was the 8th, he grew stronger and became the 5th and stated the current espada are stronger than the old Espada [05:50] <Arrancar109> Especially with someone he clashed with repeatedly. [05:50] <Arrancar109> Yep. [05:53] <Arrancar109> Some people also think that Harribel is being held in Hueco Mundo, and while that'll be good (given that gathering allies will be important in oncoming chapters), it seems highly unlikely that they'd keep a prisoner that powerful outside of whatever dimension the Vandenreich reside in. [05:54] <Godisme> We still dont know where the Vandenreich are [05:54] <Arrancar109> Exactly. [05:54] <Godisme> Kubo said they are underneath somewhere we know [05:54] <Arrancar109> It's something I brought up into light in previous conversations. [05:54] <Godisme> My bet is they are underneath Seireitei [05:54] <Arrancar109> That'd be hilarious. [05:54] <KuroAshi98> "Who lives in ice castle surrounded by fear!" [05:54] <KuroAshi98> "Van-der-re-ich!" [05:55] <Godisme> Im still holding on to my theory that these are the spirits of the slaughtered Quincy [05:55] <Arrancar109> I wouldn't be surprised. [05:56] <Arrancar109> Especially given how old the Vandenreich Leader is. [05:56] <Arrancar109> And if he is human... how the heck did he live for over 1000 years? [05:56] <KuroAshi98> Then again... if Ishida's methods are 200 years out of date and his grandfather was the only one to reject the new ways... how old was he? :P [05:57] <Godisme> Thats what i have been thinking [05:57] <Godisme> It makes it seem like Soken was hundreds of years o;d [05:57] <Godisme> *old [05:57] <Arrancar109> I think only Mayuri and possibly Ryuken know how old Soken was. [05:57] <Arrancar109> Uryu may know, but it doesn't seem likely. [05:59] <Godisme> Mayuri seems to know exactly what is going on here [05:59] <Arrancar109> Exactly. [05:59] <Godisme> It wouldn't surprise me if he was the one to ward off the attack [05:59] <Arrancar109> Not sure if he will get a chance to explain things right now, but if he does, he needs to tell everyone. [06:00] <Arrancar109> The Quincies are far more dangerous now if they even dwarf lieutenants in power now. [06:01] <Arrancar109> BTW, I still thought Akon's reaction to Ichigo in Hueco Mundo was priceless. [06:01] <Arrancar109> In addition to him being in a state of "WTF", it also proves that the Shinigami, in their "infinite wisdom", don't always have wind of what's going on. [06:02] <Godisme> Yeah [06:02] <Arrancar109> The Shinigami are powerful and definitely know about the balance of souls, but that does not mean they know everything that goes on in the world around them, nor does it mean they are the most powerful fighters in existence. [06:03] <Arrancar109> Heck, if it weren't for Ichigo, the Soul Society would have fallen to Aizen, and everyone knows it. [06:03] <KuroAshi98> Lol I think there's been some subtle foreshadowing with Akon, potentially gearing him up to replace Mayuri [06:04] <Arrancar109> Possibly. He is the Vice-President of the SDRI, after all [06:05] <KuroAshi98> I'm thinking more about him taking the initiative, Mayuri's reaction proving it's not the first time (nor does it disturb him greatly) and then the comment from one of the others about if he fell who would lead the SDRI. [06:05] <KuroAshi98> I think, maybe it was a bad translation. :p [06:06] <Godisme> I have a feeling Mayuri will be one of the major players in this arc though [06:06] <Arrancar109> Definitely. [06:06] <Arrancar109> He researched the Quincies heavily, something he stated in the Soul Society arc. [06:06] <Godisme> He is likely aware of many of their techniques, likely even Vollstandig [06:07] <KuroAshi98> How about those bodies he found in the last arc, weren't they meant to be important? [06:07] <Arrancar109> Not necessarily. Letzt Stil surprised him, remember? [06:07] <Arrancar109> And Vollstandig is supposedly an improved version of Letzt Stil [06:07] <Godisme> Yeah, but this is Mayuri we are talking about. You don't think after he saw Letzt Stil that he didn't reopen his Quincy findings [06:08] <Arrancar109> True. [06:08] <Arrancar109> He did study Uryu after that fight, after all. [06:08] <Arrancar109> Much to Uryu's annoyance. :p [06:08] <Godisme> Yep [06:09] <KuroAshi98> Wonder if those bugs are still in Ishida :p [06:10] <Arrancar109> Probably. If Uryu did something while Ichigo, Orihime, and Chad were in Hueco Mundo, Mayuri's going to tell someone about it. [06:10] <Godisme> A lot of people think Uryu will become a villain but I just can't see it [06:10] <Arrancar109> Uryu even said it himself: [06:11] <Arrancar109> "To be honest, I sided with the Shinigami over the Quincies, when my grandfather told me that story." [06:11] <Arrancar109> Not to mention, Uryu doesn't seem like the type to turn against his friends. [06:11] <Godisme> exactly [06:12] <Godisme> Neither does Ryuken. We know he is buddies with Isshin and Urahara [06:13] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [06:13] <Arrancar109> I still think Uryu might know something about the Vandenreich though. [06:13] <Godisme> Probably [06:13] <Godisme> He certainly acted that way [06:13] <Arrancar109> Uryu wasn't aware that he had Quincy powers until the Arrancar arc started. [06:14] <Arrancar109> Even if Uryu was close to his father (and we know he isn't), he likely wouldn't have told him about them, given how Uryu has already teamed up with Ichigo, Chad, and Orihime in the Soul Society arc. [06:16] <Godisme> Probably not [06:17] <Godisme> Ryuken and Uryu may be Quincies but they are Ishidas and were taught by Soken. We know Soken rejected the ideas of the Vandenreich [06:17] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [06:17] <Godisme> So it just would not make sense for them to suddenly become villains [06:17] <Arrancar109> Definitely not. [06:17] <KuroAshi98> Ryuken rejected those ideals as well though. Who knows, maybe he's just going to end up being a hybrid between the two techniques. [06:18] <Arrancar109> Uryu has also proven that even "outdated" Quincy techniques are still something that are formidable. [06:19] <Arrancar109> Gintos, the Seele Schneider, and even Sprenger. [06:19] <Godisme> Ginto is interesting. I wonder if the Vandenreich have completely abandoned it [06:19] <Arrancar109> I think you asked that in one of your blogs as well. [06:19] <Arrancar109> And that is a good question. [06:20] <Arrancar109> I, for one, would definitely like to see more Ginto techniques, regardless if it's from the Vandenreich or the Ishidas. [06:20] <Godisme> Seele Schneider seems outdated now since these quincy aren't firing arrows [06:20] <Arrancar109> Definitely. [06:21] <Arrancar109> Kirge's using a military saber, for one. [06:21] <Arrancar109> And even though Ebern isn't a real Quincy, the fact that his Quincy Cross generated something other than a bow tells you that each of the Quincies' Spirit Weapons are going to be different from the old bow &amp; arrow Uryu uses. [06:21] <Godisme> As Nodt uses those weird arrows [06:22] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [06:23] <Arrancar109> BTW, I looked back a few chapters after As Nodt explained the power of its arrows (due to a needless reference deletion someone made). [06:23] <Arrancar109> As Nodt's "fear inducement" made them scream in horror before dying. [06:24] <Arrancar109> Shinigami Solider: "And why do they scream like that before dying?!" [06:24] <Godisme> Yeah [06:24] <Arrancar109> I forgot about that until after I looked back. [06:25] <Godisme> Looks like Kubo actually did some planning with this one [06:25] <Arrancar109> Despite Sal's constant criticisms. :p [06:25] <Godisme> I swear, if Sal tells one more person to read his blog I am going to punch something [06:26] <Arrancar109> Can't remember which blog it is, but a little peeking will fix that. [06:26] <Arrancar109> Ah, I see. [06:26] <Arrancar109> I think you're referring to his "Death" blog, right? [06:27] <Godisme> That and the Whats wrong with Bleach one [06:27] <Arrancar109> Ah. [06:27] <Arrancar109> Yeah, definitely. [06:28] <Arrancar109> Sal's very Shinigami-oriented, so that might have affected his judgement of this arc. [06:28] <Arrancar109> Don't get me wrong, it still seems fast-paced, but he seems unable to accept that any high-ranking Shinigami can die. [06:29] <Godisme> He doesnt believe that anyone could be stronger than a Shinigami [06:29] <Arrancar109> I get that they're balancers, but the entire idea of the Quincies is that they upset the balance before and are going to do it again. Regardless of how important them regulating souls is in the Bleach universe, they can still die. [06:29] <Arrancar109> And many people, especially the Vandenreich, WANT them to die. [06:30] <Godisme> We know that the Shinigami will win in the end [06:30] <Godisme> No story ends with the bad guys killing all the good guys [06:30] <Arrancar109> Exactly. [06:30] <Godisme> but a lot of Shinigami can die and there are still thousands more [06:30] <Godisme> They can rebuild [06:31] <Arrancar109> Not to mention many souls that are capable of becoming Shinigami. [06:31] <Arrancar109> Wow. Really? [06:31] <Arrancar109> New user name: Ablankusername [06:31] <Godisme> lol [06:31] <KuroAshi98> He does remember the entire point of the second story arc was a bunch of humans invading Soul Society? Didn't Chad alone devastate Kyoraku's division? :p [06:32] <Arrancar109> lol [06:32] <Arrancar109> Yep. [06:32] <Godisme> Heh, yeah, that is one of my favorite scenes [06:32] <Godisme> when Kyoraku arrives and the flowers are pouring on him [06:32] <Arrancar109> And Nanao threw the basket at him. :p [06:33] <Godisme> Yep, still one of my favorite scenes [06:33] <Godisme> Perfect way to introduce Kyoraku [06:33] <Arrancar109> Yep. [06:33] <KuroAshi98> "Hey let's get drunk instead of fighting!" [06:33] <Arrancar109> I know Sal says otherwise, but I still think Chad and Uryu are stronger than most of the lieutenants. [06:34] <Godisme> I think his ideal way to fight would be a drinking contest [06:34] <Arrancar109> Definitely. [06:34] <KuroAshi98> They were near captain in SS, since then they've beaten ex-Espada's and continued to train. [06:34] <KuroAshi98> They just need screen time to prove it. :p [06:34] <Godisme> Well, we know Momo is pretty weak and we havent seen much from any of the other lieutenants [06:34] <Arrancar109> He even admitted he didn't want to fight Starrk. [06:34] <Arrancar109> But he recognizes how severe that situation is. [06:35] <Arrancar109> In terms of strength and probably spiritual power, Chad's defintiely stronger than most, expect Renji, Sasakibe, and possibly Hisagi. [06:35] <Arrancar109> In terms of skill, Izuru and Hisagi can likely beat him. [06:36] <Godisme> Omaeda is the most pathetic excuse for a lieutenant there is [06:36] <Godisme> Uryu could probably take him out with one arrow [06:36] <Arrancar109> Why not? [06:36] <Arrancar109> Ichigo beat him in one punch. :p [06:37] <Arrancar109> The fact that he holds a high-ranking position in the Omnitsukido doesn't help their reputation. [06:37] <Arrancar109> I think that means it was better when Yoruichi was in charge. [06:37] <Godisme> Ichigo has never been as strong as he was when he was on Sokyoku hill [06:37] <Arrancar109> True. [06:38] <Godisme> He smashhed through three liutenants with the greatest of ease [06:38] <Godisme> Then he goes and has to use his Hollow mask and Bankai against a Privaron Espada [06:39] <Arrancar109> Well, the Bankai itself would have been enough, but yeah, I get what you're saying. [06:40] <Arrancar109> Still, the Privaron Espada are the most powerful non-Espada Arrancar, and Chad and Uryu beat them as well. [06:40] <Arrancar109> The fact that most of the officers struggled with Arrancar who weren't as powerful as them tells me that they're not as strong as people want them to be. [06:41] <Godisme> Hell, Ikkaku and Yumichika are stronger than most of the lieutenants [06:41] <Godisme> Ikkaku is probably captain class [06:42] <KuroAshi98> Both of them just have angst over their abilities, if they fought at full strength from the get-go they'd be more reliable lol [06:42] <Godisme> if he would ever use his Bankai, he would probably be stronger than the lieutenants [06:42] <Arrancar109> Definitely. [06:42] <Arrancar109> Wonder if he's changed by now... [06:42] <Godisme> Probably not [06:42] <Arrancar109> The captain positions have been filled, so there's no pressuring to be done. [06:43] <KuroAshi98> I don't know what he's worried about really, I mean Renji was never pressured into it (from what we've seen) [06:43] <Arrancar109> Yeah, there's no way to tell for sure, God. [06:43] <Arrancar109> lol [06:44] <Godisme> Well, Im going to head out for the night. See you guys later [06:44] <Arrancar109> Bender: "With 1/6th gravity, you can work and be lazy at the same time. It's like being a voice actor." [06:44] <KuroAshi98> Haha nice :P [06:44] <Arrancar109> I gotta tell that to Lemur the next time I see her.