Forum:Vizard masks

I find it interesting that they have specific training for mask retention and besides mashiro they can only keep their mask on for 3 mins. Mashiro apparently can live in hers, seeing she never had to go through training and had it on for 15 hours straight from the first time. This really begs the question of the dynamics of these powers we see in the series. We have significant info on zanpakuto and will probably have a deeper understanding after this zanpakuto manifestation arc thats coming up. But we know so little about the vizard especially their masks, now the only one we have seen for a extensive amount of time is ichigo's but the question really is, how long does he actually hold his? We watch the anime and read the manga but thats not a good judge of time considering these fights take place at high speeds and relatively dont last as long as we perceive them. It makes me wonder what one has to do to retain it longer, fighting the inner hollow and subjugating it allows you to call forth the mask without risking possession by the inner hollow. Fighting using the mask allows for extension of its use. But obviously some things are left unanswered. It seems unlikely after 100 years they cant retain the mask longer then 3 mins, it would seem more likely they only wear the mask for 3 mins for another reason be it energy conservation or some other reason to do with the inner hollow. They obviously can take the mask on and off at will regardless of the 3 mins. Maybe longer periods require a deeper connection with ones inner hollow. It just doesn't make to much sense but I guess we will see.Salubri 08:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Also Hiyori seemed to keep her mask on for quite long when training Ichigo, though she moved it away from her face from time to time, but still had it out and her eyes were yellow. Akeki 10:36, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

There is the possibility that Love was only speaking facetiously, rather than honestly answering Starrk's question with accurate information. Unless we're also going to read (comic book loving) Love's comment as seriously stating that the Vizards are "super heroes," then the 3 minute part of the comment is probably less-than-serious as well. -FrameDragging 13:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

The 3 minute limit is starting to get cited as fact in the wiki, so I'll a few more bits of argument in favor of Love's comment being untrue. A. Mashiro's initial 15 hour time limit is cited as oddly long for a beginner, but it is not stated that her beginning stamina is in excess of the current stamina of the other Vizards. It isn't stated either way, but the implication was that it took a lot of work for the other Vizards to get to where Mashiro started. To have her start 300 times beyond where her peers could ever reach seems an extremely out there exception. (15 hours is 900 minutes, which is 300x 3 minutes) B. Love deceptively downplaying the Vizard's abilities is good strategy. He is encouraging Starrk to underestimate them. C. The line itself and Love's arched brow and grinning expression while delivering it seem rather tongue-in-cheek. As I said before, we're unlikely to start referring to the Vizards as "super heroes," so to take another part of that sentence at face value seems off to me. -FrameDragging 21:39, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

So he was sarcastic about the super hero bit and like FrameDragging said above it could have been a strategic maneuver, but in my opinion it's very unlikely anyone would believe Love, so it could mean that he's completely serious or it's just for the two of them maybe the rest as well except for Mashiro as well as the possibility of them not being that in tuned with their inner hollows but then again neither is Ichigo and he substantially increased his time limit, but like so many other animes the creators of shows like this can come up with a number of plot twists.--SalmanH 19:17, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

The only problem if that was the case is that its to small and minor to be a plot twist and seeing as there really hasn't been any serious plot twists since the soul society arc. Now im hearing that the line is in reference to something from ultraman. So it goes back to me originally being skeptical that after 100 years 3 mins is the best they can do. Its just odd i guess we will see.Salubri 01:06, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The Ultraman reference makes perfect sense from Love the action Manga fan. Where does this leave us about how this statement should be referenced on the wiki? -FrameDragging 04:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I noticed something on chapter 366. Lisa's eyes were not black and yellow but the normal white and black.--Agate genbu 05:12, 27 July 2009 (UTC)