User blog comment:Zwann/Vasto Lordes in the Espada, let's analyze./@comment-1648100-20091016162550

its not so much as a matter of strength to beat Barragan and Sarrk, it was more of intelligence. the way Hachi won was sheer luck; he said this himself. satrrk was beaten by a shikai who's abilities were childish games with a letheal edge. basically, if any one else had gone up against them, they would have definately died. so, they ARE vasto lordes, in a manner of speaking; it just took some one pretty intelligent, and could stratigize brilliantly to beat them