Forum:Starrk, Harribel and the Aftermath

Well it was a long time coming but not completely unexpected while other portions where.


 * First we have the death of Starrk, this wasn't unexpected it was anticipated and would have happened sooner or later. It's just that out of all the Espada he was the saving grace. He was the only one who had no arrogance, no particular hated for anyone shinigami or otherwise, he showed respect where it was warranted. If anything his one failing is not following his first instinct to leave the battle instead he choose to stay and fight for someone who was just using him. He is a sad character, not really evil like the rest of the antagonists, he was just repaying Aizen for allowing him to be apart of something so that he wouldn't be alone for once. Thats really the thing that made him likable even when he was on the wrong side, he was just lonely and when Aizen saved him from that he just wanted to thank him by following him. He died but in the end he realized he was never alone. A good fight none the less we got to see to vizard release their shikai and now we fully understand Shunsui's shikai and he couldn't have lost to a better opponent, someone who gives out respect to others as well, even after his death Shunsui stated wisdom of the futility of fighting. There was no shame in losing to Shunusi, he was more powerful but at the least Starrk met his match in combat.


 * Second there was the death of Harribel, this was unexpected but at the same time it makes sense. For her part in the end she personified her death aspect, sacrifice. Regardless of the fact that she didn't know it or make the attempt herself she was sacrificed at Aizen's discretion, though by his own hand. Harribel to me wasn't that interesting of a character and had bascially reached the limit of what can be done with her. Though i am disappointed that there wasn't an epic girl battle (her vs. lisa) that bleach really would have benefitted from. But in the end Aizen was right with the death of the two above her (Starrk and Barragan) there would be no way that she would survive as they were more powerful. Sooner or later she would have fallen especially against two Vizards and a captain.


 * Regardless of how cold it was it was pure Aizen, as I have said all along he was using the Espada/arrancar he had no use for them besides his own ends and when they outlived there usefulness he would get rid of them. He apparently has been playing them all from the moment he told them ichigo and friends were nothing to worry about when they first came to hueco mundo. From that first statement Aaroniero, Szayel, Zommari, Nnorita, Ulquiorra all ended up dead. Grimmjaw was defeated and now the two top espada were killed as well. The entire time he looked on uncaring and did nothing to stop or help the situation and in the end turned on the one espada he had left taking her life with his own hand.  Why because she was not strong enough to fight for him. Im personally so tired of Aizen can we like please kill him already. He so predicatable we really need a fresh main antagonists. Even replacing him with Gin would be better then continuing the arrogance and the all knowing, all powerful bad guy who never does anything but stand around at a battle bit.Salubri 13:44, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

I can't wait till next weeks chapter to see what Aizen means by "let's go". He's either going to retreat or he's going take on everybody there at once, destroy the pillars and make the okun. We know that Tosen's bankai let's him take on multiple people at once but at the same time when he did it 100 years ago, most people didn't even know he had a bankai. You would think Kensei at least had been thinking about how to defeat Tosen's bankai for the last 100 years. We of course don't have a clue was Ichimaru or Aizen's bankai are but I would bet that they are things that allow them to take on multiple opponents at once too. So this could get interesting. But then again if it was so easy for Aizen to take on so many captains and vizards at once, he wouldn't have wasted time getting the espada. *sob* I just want to see Gin fight! Why! Why KT did you not show us Gin and Shinji fighting! *sniff* Tinni 14:15, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Man this sucks. Starrk's gone. The one Espada that was actually good, but followed Aizen out of owing him for saving him from his loneliness, got pwned by the freakishly powerful Kyoraku. Now Harribel is dead so all that leaves is Yammy (UGH!!). Now Aizen needs to die. I don't care about what he did to Momo, cause she just became ignorant, but he screwed over and used Starrk when he just wanted friends. That is not right. CRUSH HIM GOTEI 13!!!--Moe1216 14:27, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

I for one don't think that Halibel's quite dead yet. Aizen's been shown slicing her across the stomach/chest, but it's not a confirmed death, as such. Just as an example of a similarly horrible injury for a character of similar strength: During his first fight with Ichigo during the Soul Society arc Kenpachi Zaraki sustained an injury at the end of the battle that, at least to me, looked like it completely separated his right shoulder and five or six ribs from the rest of his body, and yet he still survived and was shown a few chapters later sitting up and talking with Uryu, Ganju, Orihime, and the rest of the gang.Ulyenov 15:37, September 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes because Yachiru removed him from the area and called Unohana. Can't remember if that part was made clear in the anime but in the manga she says clearly that she has called Unohana. If he was just left there, if Ichigo was just left there (Yoruichi came and healed Ichigo), they would both have died from their injuries. So unless the Gotei 13 decide to heal her, she's pretty dead. Tinni 15:48, September 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thats a bad example Zaraki is in a class of his own and Ichigo wasn't gonna kill anyone even if he tried. Zaraki has survived many bad injuries and kept going regardless of the medical help, hence the point behind zaraki being fine afterwords and effortlessly fighting two captains at once. He is simply a beast. The point i think to take from this is Harribel was no use to him anymore his intent was to kill her and the slash is similar to the one that took out Starrk. Not to mention its more then likely Harribel wasn't any more powerful then Hitsugaya, Hiyori and Lisa as she was at a stalemate in actual fighting and couldn't beat hitsugaya's full power even at a immature level. so her instant attack at Aizen's hands was definitely not something she could have blocked against, its not likely she was on his level. What it was is a underling getting taking out by their superior, doubtful they are on equal power terms even without his zanpakuto.Salubri 15:52, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

The Gotei13 healing Harribel wouldn't be a bad move for them - they could use a prisoner that they could interrogate, or if that proves unsuccessful, experiment on to learn more about Arrancar. Who knows what they might learn. Unohana had the right idea with Gantanbein. But I don't see this happening at all, tbh. --Yyp 15:56, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Well i see your point with Unohana though she is compassionate for all so thats the bases behind healing the arrancar. But we all know the rest of the Gotei 13 are nowhere that nice. If anything she wouldn't tell them anything but she would be a good test subject dead or alive, so either way Mayuri will be happy to have new material to study. Though she doesn't need to be alive for it.Salubri 15:59, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Mayuri'd love them forever if that happened!

I don't think they're done just yet. I'll wait for an explicit statement before I'll say they're really dead (Starrk in particular). Besides, the Gotei 13 do prefer to take prisoners (if SS arc was anything to go by), though circumstance may prevent this from happening.

I'll give the possibility of harribel being somewhat alive but certainly dying until we see her do a flashback or its otherwise shown, but its safe to say that once the flashback roles the fat lady has sung. Nnorita, Barragan, and now Stark it happens infrequently amongst the arrancar but that is a definite sign of their passing.Salubri 16:06, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

We all knew she was gonna get bashed soon, but we hoped it would be by Lisa and Hiyori's hands.. oh well.. at least it saved us some chapters and finally some real action is going to happen.. just hope next chapater doesn't present something ridiculous like Aizen using an uber mega power to put everyone unconscious and then just flash step away to wherever.. Deimonos 16:35, September 25, 2009 (UTC)