Forum:Bankai The Elusive Skill

Ok I did a run down the best I could so here we go. There are a total of 10 Known Bankai users


 * Konjiki Ashisogi Jizō (Mayuri), Ryūmon Hōzukimaru (Ikkaku), Daiguren Hyōrinmaru (Hitsugaya), Senbonzakura Kageyoshi (Byakuya), Jakuho Raikoben (Soifon), Enma Kōrogi (Tosen), Kokujō Tengen Myō'ō (Komamura), Hihiō Zabimaru (Renji), Tensa Zangetsu (Ichigo), Raika Gōen Kaku (Amagai)

That is 10 out of 38 possible prominent candidates who wield a zanpakuto in the series. Out of 27 Gotei 13 members 8 have shown bankai. Out of 10 current captains 6 have shown bankai. Out of those 10, 6 are present in fake Karakura and 3 are known out of those 6. There is 1 lieutenant out of the current 12 to possess bankai and 1 seated officer out of over 260+ seat officers in the gotei 13. With 1 out of 2 seated officers possessing bankai in fake karakura town. 1 out of 3 in Aizens group has shown bankai though all are capable. 1 out of 9 Vizards have shown bankai though its more then likely that all possess bankai over the 4 that are former captains. There is 0 known among the 3 in Urahara's group though they are capable of it and then there is 1 from a amagai who is deceased.

The point i was making is that bankai is the most exclusive abilities in the entire bleach series with only 10 out of 38 probable users. Its also the least used of the combat abilities depending more or less on the character but still far less used then sealed zanpakuto, shikai, kido, hakuda, zanjutsu, flash steps or any technique in the series. So far the most times the known bankai's have been used are: Ichigo = all the time; Hitsugaya = about 9; Mayuri = 4; Soifon = 1; Komamura = 3; Tosen = 2; Byakuya = 4-5; Renji = 5-6; Ikakku = 3-4.Salubri 21:54, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I'v noticed that also. It's almost seems the cool thing among bankai users is not to use it. It seems most of them use it as a last ditch effort. Well except Ichigo, who seems to use it when he doesn't even have to. Also remember 2 of the bankai users do not like their bankai. Ikkaku and Soifon. But which of the vizards showed bankai? Unless your taking out Hachi and counting Ichigo.Quadrupus 23:40, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

When you take out anime fillers and movies, it becomes more lik: Ichigo: 7 times I think, Hitsugaya: 4, Mayuri: 2, Soifon: 1, Komamura: 2, Tosen: once not counting the TBTP mini arc just because that wasn't really a fight, Byakuya: 3, Renji: about 3, Ikkaku: 1. Of course the movie and fillers are going to show as much bankai as possible because it's sensational and so on. But this just shows how rare it really is used, except for Ichigo. This is probably because it takes a lot of energy to activate and use bankai, once again, with the exception of Ichigo due to the nature of his bankai. So they don't want to use it unless they have to because it's such an effort. BollyW 23:59, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Quadrupus, Hachigen did not use Shikai in his battle against Barragan, so he certainly didn't use Bankai! He simply relied on Kidou for the entire battle. Animeluvr92 01:35, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

I'm aware of Hachi, thats why I asked if he was taking out Hachi of the equation. Salubri fixed his post, he first stated that 1 of 8 vizards have used bankai. There are only 8 Vizards not including Ichigo who doesn't consider himself part of the group. But is one by classification.Quadrupus 02:11, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

What is the TBTP mini-arc? I'd like to see that.

When it comes to the vizards, we should assume only the former captains have bankai. I doubt the lieutenant vizards (like Mashiro) have achieved it.

If anything, bankai is too common, since only one person is supposed to be able to achieve it every few generations. (Probably demonstrably false, given it's frequency.) PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 02:15, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Ok I think your misinformed. First the Turn back the pendulum arc took place in chapter -108 to -97 which is set between chapters 315 and 316 or episodes 206-212. Secondly it only takes 10 years to learn bankai if you have trained toward that specific goal and 10 years to master it. Secondly The vizard have been around for 100 years training and waiting to get revenge on Aizen it is only logical that they have achieved every possible skill to combat him and achieve success. Not to mention they stopped being lieutenants 100 years ago so please don't call them such they are nolonger Gotei 13 those titles and status matter little seeing as they can take on the top espada. Third bankai is not at all common hence what i stated and the point of the thread and why the others agreed. Anyone is capable of achieving bankai though most do not. It is not one in every few generations, byakuya said that and he said it was something among the noble families of soul society not shinigami in general if that was true it would be impossible to have captains of the same generation when there are many of them the same generation.Salubri 03:08, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Ahh I was under the impression that not many could achieve bankai even with training. Byakuya states that "even the four noble families, whose members are always exceptionally talented have a member capable of bankai every few generations". This is why he is so shocked at Ichigo achieving bankai. When you think about it, only the captains, plus Renji, who has always been said to have talent, Ikkaku and Ichigo, who has a father with captain level reiatsu have achieved it. So it is rare, and the only reason we see it so often is because the story of course, focuses on the most powerful shinigami and their most powerful enemies. BollyW 03:43, October 2, 2009 (UTC)