Forum:Possibilites

Arrancar Kido
If Vizards are able to use Cero and Kido, would it be possible for Arrancar to learn kido if taught.

Vizards = Shinigami with Hollow powers

Arrancar = Hollows with Shinigami powers

It sounds possible.

It does sound possible, but I doubt it. Cero are a small grouping of simple techniques. Kidō is a large category of more complex techniques. Plus a Cero is just a standard energy blast, it consists of firing a powerful blast of concentrated spiritual energy at the target. So a Cero is just composed of Reiatsu. Kidō is the technique that Shinigami use to focus their Spiritual Energy into a wide variety of magic spells that can serve many purposes, such as healing, defense, or combat. They are one of the four basic Shinigami combat forms. So in my opinion I don't believe that Arrancar would be able to use them. If they did I don't think it would be their forte. Remember, most Arrancar haven't trained and honed their abilities the same way that Shinigami have. They were given the power by the Hōgyoku. The power they had before that given to them by the Hōgyoku was from devouring others. So I would bet that they can't, but it's still a possibility.

No its not possible at all actually. Arrancar dont actually have shinigami powers. They simply seal their true hollow power/form into a sword that is a zanpakuto in name only, they then take on a humanoid appearance and that is essentially the extent of the "similarity" with a shinigami. A visored is a shinigami dominant being with an inner hollow that grants access to hollow powers. In truth Visored are more of a hybrid of the two opposites (shinigami and Hollow) then Arrancar are. The arrancar are therefore essentially far more advanced variations of a hollow. A Hollow has classifications determined about the their evolution. Upon becoming an Arrancar they no longer can evolve and therefore no longer part of the normal cycle of being a hollow. Visored can use hollow powers because they possess an inner hollow that gives access to those powers. An Arrancar much like a hollow doesn't have a culture or anything beyond a survival of the fittest mentality and power goes to the strong and those without fear ideology. Arrancar have Sonido, Cero and their unique hollow abilities. Shinigami have shunpo, kido, unique zanpakuto abilities. Its not interchangeable because arrancar are not truly the opposite of a Visored in the way you think. What Robo said is partly true, so it therefore isnt a possibility because they are far more hollow and not really any part shinigami at all.--Salubri (Talk)  00:16, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Salubri, that's a good point. Arrancar aren't as much of a hybrid as Visored.

Arrancar have been shown to use kido-like powers, with Zommari being a notable example due to his powers being negated with bakudo. And if you think about it (this is a theory) a cero is also similar to kido as well, albiet a very simplistic type. "Cero" translates to "zero" in spanish, and has similar traits of a hado-based kido spell. Kido spells that shinigami use range from 1-99, so perhaps a cero is the hollow's version of kido, e.g., hado 0.Johnwayne (talk) 13:44, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

No, this is pure speculation!! Kido is merely how a Shinigami can manipulate Reiatsu, you cannot base something on the fact that Kido was used to defeat an Arrancar, that's like saying their Zanpakutō must be the same since they were used to defeat Arrancar!! This is wrong!! Kido is a Shinigami ability and Cero is a Hollow ability, separate abilities!! Arrancar are Menos Grande (Hollows) that have suppressed their powers into a weapon and thus resemble a Humanoid again and the weapon sometimes resembles a Zanpakutō and sometimes it is a separate entity like Starrk's!! These are not the same as Visoreds, which are Shinigami which have endured Hollowfication, thus have Hollow powers as well!! To think Arrancar are Shinigami would be like assuming that somebody like a Captain could have their Zanpakutō running around as a separate Shinigami person, which does not happen!! Arrancar powers are entirely different, always have been kept apart from Shinigami powers, this is why they have Sonido and Resurrecion, they are not the same!! SunXia  (Chat)  14:02, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thats not even speculation thats fan fiction. Kido-like is not kido. Zommari's powers are called such because the power can be blocked by kido, that doesnt make it kido. Kido spells are shown to block many things, saying kido-like meant it used reiryoku just like kido is fueled off of therefore it can reasonably defend against a similarly fueled ability. A cero is concentrated rieryoku all spiritual beings are powered by it and use it for their abilities that doesnt make them the same. That simply makes them spiritual beings. Shinigami and Hollows arent the same they are exact opposites. Kido is learned, producing varying effects via incantation only usable by Shinigami. Cero are instinctual by hollow. Hollow and Arrancar abilities are unique to them and not kido just inborn capabilities. Yes Cero means Zero in spanish and hollow flash in japanese. Cero double is Spanish for "Double Zero", Japanese for "Heavy Performance Hollow Flash"; Cero Sincrético is Spanish for "Synchronized Zero", Japanese for "United Hollow Flash"; Gran Rey Cero is Spanish for "Grand King Zero", Japanese for "Royal Hollow Flash"; Cero Oscuras is Spanish for "Dark Zero," Japanese for "Black Hollow Flash"; Cero Metralleta is Spanish for "Sub-Machine Gun Zero", Japanese for "Infinite Ammunition Hollow Flash". So your point is false and has no bases. Cero are simply attacks of concentrated spiritual energy as shown here many variations of cero exist unique to the varying arrancar. The name has no bearing, one because thats not how cero are classified and two because the japanese translation shows more explanation of its meaning. Your point shows a lack of understanding of the concepts developed in bleach altogether. --Salubri (Talk)  16:03, January 12, 2012 (UTC)