User talk:Dekoshu

Boovoo
I would like to go to Hollow Ichigo, then you click discussion and comment BOTH of the page I was on. Dekoshu 22:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC) After that, I'll edit with you.

Dekoshu 22:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC) It's been three days, Boovoo. Where are you?

Sorry for my lateness. I haven't had the time to go online. Yeah i went to that page. it's quite good Boovoo 17:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC) Dekoshu 17:15, 19 October 2008 (UTC) Thank you for your comment, Boovoo.

Wanted to see me?
CCSfanatic 23:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC) Dekoshu 23:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC) I need your help with the images for Bankai Ichigo, Getsuga Tensho, and Byakurai.

Dekoshu 23:09, 17 October 2008 (UTC) I mean look for the images in the Internet and post it on my edits.

But i'm busy at the moment, i'll get them soon.CCSfanatic 23:13, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Dekoshu 23:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC) Also, don't forget to put the color so viewers/users/editors can see how the attack looks like and edit some mistakes but not too much.

but I checked your edits and i'm not sure if they'll be deleted or merged. CCSfanatic 23:20, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry if they're gonna be deleted. I made them through MY own typing Dekoshu 23:23, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

But I'm not sure about any of the other users on here. There's already an article detailing about Ichigo's banaki here. CCSfanatic 23:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Dekoshu 23:38, 17 October 2008 (UTC) Okay then. But I wanted to add them for I don't know....details? I'm sorry if it seems corny.

Not at all. I like the effort your putting in to this wiki. Just be sue to check if an article already exists before posting a new one. And between us, could you look at this page and tell me if it's good or if something can be done to improve it's quality. CCSfanatic 23:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

It is good, and may not need improvements. Dekoshu 00:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll try to get the images
take it for granted :) Maul day 13:18, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Dekoshu 13:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC) Thank you.

Getsuga Tensho
Hi, i took a screenshot for the getsuga tensho i can't find de byakurai for now but i'll keep on..., the quality really sucks, anyway this is the image:

hey! don't looks so bad in 250px! anyway, when i get a better one, i'll upload it :) Maul day 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

It looks really good. Thanks, Maul.

???
What did you wanted to ask ? ^^ Mili-Cien

There may be a few things in the article that needs grammar corrections.

User:Aizen_Sôsuke/Todo, I usually look at this page to know what to do with the bot when I've got the time ;) (Also, I'm not sure it corrects ALL, but some errors) Mili-Cien

Dekoshu 02:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC) Okay then.

i don't know Dekoshu 20:04, 6 November 2008 (UTC) You did your best though.

Dekoshu 20:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC) How about ask someone to make a template for infoboxes?

Sk Nator 20:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)Hey do I need to make an template infobox for techniques

Dekoshu 20:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC) You don't have to. However, the Getsuga Tenshō may definitely need one.

I wanna talk to someone
Getsuga Tensho is a shikai special ability, if there are no zanpakuto pages why should getsuga tensho have one? --Shuhei Hisagi 23:32, 7 November 2008 (UTC) Dekoshu 23:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC) I don't get what you really mean. I mean.... Okay well picture this, you make a Zangetsu page, that means getsuga should at least be a heading in it, but there isnt even a single page about a zanpakuto. Dekoshu 23:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC) Well.... I don't have a image of the techniques of a Zanpakuto. So can you get them here? I mean other wikis are capable of having seperate pages. Ya sure, what pics would you have in mind.--Shuhei Hisagi 23:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Dekoshu 23:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC) Sode no Shirayuki's Hakuren, Zabimaru's Higa Zekko and Hiktosu Taiho, and some other images you can find. Am I busted or something for working so hard on my article? Before you do that, um can you take this to the discussion page?

Dekoshu 23:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC) Anyone?

Use this on Getsuga Tensho

Sure i'll find the pics but whats Sode no Shirayuki's Hakuren? Dekoshu 00:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC) It's one of Rukia's weapon techniques.

About the redirect thing: they might do it cause its a better version of a section in there page. Dekoshu 00:03, 8 November 2008 (UTC) What does that mean?

They will do it because they will want to make theyre page the one that has eveything about ichigo so they will delete yours or use it all on theyre page. Understand?

Dekoshu 00:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC) Yes! I'll put one in the Ichigo article then.

How about putting this in the getsuga tensho article --Shuhei Hisagi 20:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Shūsuke Amagai
Yo, this issue has been started recently, but nobody's been paying attention to it. I want people to put their input in the Talk: Shūsuke Amagai page, because we should probably make our decision now to change it to "Syūsuke" (this is the issue) or leave it as "Shūsuke". Arrancar109 05:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Cero
Heard You needed a Cero pic. --Shuhei Hisagi 21:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Dekoshu 22:49, 8 November 2008 (UTC) Thank you. They failed the hollow's cero (The menos is shooting a cero).

I've Got basically nothin to do on this wikia so if you need any pics just ask and try to get em for you--Shuhei Hisagi 23:47, 9 November 2008 (UTC) Dekoshu 17:26, 10 November 2008 (UTC) Show me your moves! :D Huh?--Shuhei Hisagi 21:22, 10 November 2008 (UTC) Dekoshu 13:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC) For me it's another way of saying thank you or something like that.

okat, well in that case.... your welcome. PS some guy redirected your Byakurai page. Dekoshu 20:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC) I know. Oh well. At least the images are still here. Try looking for Soren Sokatsui and Higa Zekko images then.

Sure no problem. Dekoshu 20:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC) One more thing. Try to keep an eye on Mili-Clen as much as possible.Shuhei Hisagi 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC) sure.

Pictures
Is this picture alright for you? PS this is where i will put any pics you want me to get.

Dekoshu 20:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC) VERY alright.

Dekoshu 20:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC) Oh. Did you know that there's another Sokatsui image? Soren Sokatsui. Hado 73#.

what other pics Shuhei Hisagi 01:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC) Dekoshu 01:44, 12 November 2008 (UTC) Soren Sokatsui, Higa Zekko, Hakuren, Gran Rey Cero, and Hikotsu Taiho. as for the other pics sorry but i couldnt find any, but if have any other pics then i'll see what i can do. Dekoshu 19:35, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Thank you.

Dekoshu 18:41, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Okay then. Try Soren Sokatsui.

i also have a hikotsu taiho image, but its more of a side image, noy really the main one for an article.

Nanda?
You wish for my help with something? I will oblidge, I just need to know what it is. (though somehow I want to personally make an episode guide for the various "Shinigami Cup"/"Arrancar Research Time" myself but really don't know how to make charts) -StrangerAtaru 22:14, 11 November 2008 (UTC) Dekoshu 22:37, 11 November 2008 (UTC) Try something like that. Like umm... Kido spells?
 * Well all the Kido spells are currently listed and someone seemed to recently redirect the "Byakurai" page back to Kido...so I don't know if I want to touch something that hasn't quite been figured out. -StrangerAtaru 22:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

were u the one who put I'm actually still talking to you on my page? Dekoshu 01:07, 12 November 2008 (UTC) Yes!

Why!--Shuhei Hisagi 01:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC) Dekoshu 01:13, 12 November 2008 (UTC) I said that because I was outside for a while.

Salubri
Hello, fellow Bleach lover, I've been on this site for quite a while when there was like nothing. I'm big on organization lol. I was the one who originally organized the powers and abilities. Nice to meet you. Salubri 21:21, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Dekoshu 21:33, 11 November 2008 (UTC) I was also making the articles for techniques.

I wouldn't think that would be possible, I'm not sure that's something that would ever come up. Salubri 9:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

hi!
hi! sorry for the delay i was too busy (and i'm still, so i wouldn't work in Bleach wikia for a while) well.. some wiki editors aren't here to make friends, so you need to be patient with them :) personally, i realy likes the articles you have done, the Getsuga tensho one is great, but i need to tell you that i redirect twice of them, the Shinigami/Hollow one, 'cause the entity you try to explain in that article closely resembles a Vizard, and the Ichigo Bankai one, 'cause that term is not used Bleach... well if you need some help with whatever, i'll ever be a helping hand, and you've got a friend out of Bleach wikia for other things non-related with Bleach Maul day 08:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Dekoshu 10:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC) Okay. Just as long you don't try to ruin my hard work there.

Bankai
We shouldn't speculate regarding who has or doesn't have Bankai at this time. For all we know, all Shinigami have Bankai, but the only ones we know have it are anyone who is or was a captain (outside Zaraki) or demonstrated by Kubo in the story (Ichigo, Renji, Ikkaku) Keep speculation out of that page. -StrangerAtaru 03:29, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Dekoshu 03:31, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Okay then.

Gran Ray Cero
Well, the site I get my shots from seems to not have a good example of the Gran Ray Cero, though it does have a shot of Grimmjow gathering the energy necessary to fire it. For now, the best I can do is a manga shot, but I might be able to take a screenshot myself through other means.

In the meanwhile, I propose we merge the Gran Ray Cero article with the ordinary Cero article, since not much info has been released about the Gran Ray Cero (other than the fact that it's a more powerful version of cero that the Espada are only permitted to use). Arrancar109 05:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Dekoshu 05:45, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Okay then.

Yo, check the out the Cero article. I did upload a somewhat reasonable screenshot of Grimmjow firing the Gran Ray Cero, but I took the shot myself, so the quality may not be that good. Arrancar109 06:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Dekoshu 06:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC) It's good enough. Thank you, Arrancar109.

Kameha'
I wasn't working for the delete, sorry if you misunderstood, I simply wanted to mean that the guy that reported the "problem" was not considering others, because Kamehameha may be a name for other ppl than him ^^ Mili-Cien 19:34, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Dekoshu 19:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Okay.

Spiritual Power?
I'm confused. What do you mean by that: what abilities that they have, power levels, strengths, what? -StrangerAtaru 14:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC) Dekoshu 17:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC) Yes. Those.

Hollow Ichigo
I'm not sure if you can accurately put Hollow Ichigo at the age of 15, as he was created at the same time Ichigo regained his Shinigami powers. For all we know, it's impossible to accurately give a hollow's age. Undaunted 00:26, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Dekoshu talk contrib 00:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC) He looks 15, but he's quite not.

pics
Sure i'll try and find the images you wanted, did you get the image i sent you for hakuren? PS i also wanted to know if you want any other images than the ones you told me about.

Dekoshu talk contrib 17:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC) Yes.

is that a yes for recieving the hakuren image or is it a yes for wanting other images, if it is for other images then what images do you want Dekoshu talk contrib 17:44, 30 November 2008 (UTC) Okay.

? Dekoshu talk contrib 17:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC) I meant the Kido spells like Hado 73#.

hey, i have a pics of Toshiro using either shikai or bankai but how do u put it on the page

Dekoshu talk contrib 19:11, 30 November 2008 (UTC) Like Dekoshu talk contrib 19:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC) Okay then. Hemero=Twin?

Hollow
i found a japanese translation for vasto lorde it means "Great king of the Hollows" Hlp922 18:14, 1 December 2008 (UTC) Dekoshu talk contrib 18:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC) Thank you, great sir. Hlp922, can I ask you for more help with the Japanese translations of Menos and Adjuchas? Which translated word was vastuo is? it means "vast" Hlp922 18:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Dekoshu talk contrib 18:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC) Thank you again, kind sir. Keep an sufficent eye on some vandalisms across the wikias. sorry i have no idea what Hemerosu means Hlp922 19:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Dekoshu talk contrib 19:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC) Okay then. Hemero=Twin?

Fan Wanking
Comparing a character's powers to that of another anime like that is fan-wanking. If there was an obvious homage or something that Kubo does verify, then we can consider it truth. But something like comparing Ichigo's powers to those of DB/Z characters is akin to a battledome. That sort of information has no purpose on this page. -StrangerAtaru 23:49, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Dekoshu talk contrib 23:52, 1 December 2008 (UTC) But do you know what happens then? Ichigo CANNOT defeat Kid Buu. Some heroes and villains OF DBZ and GT can destroy planets, and galaxies. That is truth.

I agree with Ataru. DBZ comparisons are completely unnecessary and have no bearing on Bleach. In addition, claiming the more powerful characters in Bleach are actually *stronger* than a Super Saiyan is incredibly unrealistic. I don't see Genryuusai destroying solar systems with a few ki-blasts anytime soon. Kazama Arashi 17:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Dekoshu talk contrib 23:20, 19 December 2008 (UTC) I didn't say that.

Hollow-Shinagami
Im not sure the term or concept makes much sense, under hollow you put the category down under types of hollows. The idea isn't really relevant to that section. Yea there's room for ichigo and maybe other vizards to be speculated on but thats covered under their own category. Ichigo is neither a hollow nor is the concept big enough to warrant recognition beyond maybe a discussion. Salubri 07:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Pictures#2
Hi there, it's me Shuhei ive been trying to talk to you, but anyways please let me know the pictures you want, i will get them as soon as i can.

Dekoshu talk contrib 23:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC) Okay then. How about a Higa Zekko and Hierro then?

I'll look for Higa Zekko, but what is Hierro.

Dekoshu talk contrib 23:26, 19 December 2008 (UTC) A technique used by Espadas.

Re: Dark Rukia
I know, it was originally set to do that by the user who created the page, but making a new article regarding Dark Rukia was my idea (and done just now), so I expect content to be added at some point. I might add some content as well, but it might take some time. Arrancar109 19:38, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Replay
Hi! I'm ot sure what info was taken out but I'll check the article. If you think that the info that was there is needed please go ahead and add it and leave a message on the talk page of the article so other editors know why is there and they can dispute or agree with it WhiteStrike 00:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Dekoshu
Yea Salubri 21:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I know and realized that you have rules and such, but what I don't understand is the bias I am receiving from such strangers. Dekoshu talk contrib 21:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

In reference to what? Salubri 22:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I was in the Dragon Ball Wikia. I tried putting new edits in the articles, but they kept getting removed. Is this biased or unbiased, because I kept getting mine's removed more than anyone else. Dekoshu talk contrib 22:08, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Im not sure i dont know whose doing what over on the Dragon Ball Z wiki but if u see as your being singled out then maybe u should try to see whats happening over there. Nowadays you gotta be careful on the wiki sights in order to keep organization and accuracy its gonna become a battle if your information carries no weight. Now if your under the belief that they are being biased to you when your doing good or necessary contribution then thats a situation. Salubri 22:15, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

You're right. Also, I believe that I deserve better as everyone else. Dekoshu talk contrib 22:20, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Statistics
There isnt one as far as i know, that comes from some character book but only relates to the captains a little before anyone knew aizen, gin and tosen where traitors. But i wouldnt worry about to much cause they arent taken as a blueprint for those characters that do have them on their pages abilities. The abilities are based more on what is known about their present or history, based on the fact as that information was up way before those charts. Salubri 23:32, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay then. Dekoshu talk contrib 23:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Nel Tu is NOT a master..
Swordsmanship Specialist. She had trouble with Nnoitra, the 5th Espada, who fought against Zaraki pretty evenly the entire fight until his Kendo was unleashed. The fact is that while she has experience and strength, it's not the same as being a master. But enough about that fight; If she really was a master, she would not have to release her zanpakuto just to go against Nnoitra in his sealed state. Ulquiorra, Grimmjow and even Szayel have power but they are not master swordsmen for a reason. I also believe she has high spiritual power, not vast, however that's debatable and I won't touch that subject. --Renji Abarai 18:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. My bad. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">Dekoshu talk contrib 22:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Ty. --Renji Abarai 22:12, 9 March 2009 (UTC) Even though I would like to see master on Nel Tu's article, I believe it's true that she's more of an expert. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">Dekoshu talk contrib 22:15, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

i need help putting together a page
i wanted to make a page with all the myths in bleach. the one piece wiki and death note wiki have one. can you please give me tips on making a page Kisukeiscool100396 18:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Templates
Hey thank you for your caontributions and trying to make Bleach wiki better, but can you please do not templates to articles that do not require them. Thank you. WhiteStrike 21:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

All right, White Strike. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">Dekoshu talk contrib 21:54, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Users of Bleach Wikia
Hi im naruto195.Do you know a lot about making a wiki.Im in need of help

What kind of help? A user who made my hard work for nothing. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">Dekoshu talk contrib 01:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Im the owner of Gurren-lagann wiki.Iam noobish XD and i cant really make stuff like those tables next to the page that says like name,side,etc.

From Undaunted: I was wondering why a great number of the articles on this site are in the present-tense, or have parts in the present-tense. I was under the assumption that wikia articles should always be past-tense. I'd suggest looking through some articles and posting notices on which of them need to be fixed.

Also, plenty of articles seem to lack objectiveness or people tend to bring in elements from other manga/anime. An example is that someone added, "like an average DBZ fighter" in a place where it would have been inappropriate anyway (Ichigo's bankai spiritual pressure). As I said, notices (like the Star Wars wiki has) would help to identify and at the very least reduce the problem.

EDIT: Of course I'm operating under the assumption that you know how to properly add notices, or that it is possible for a user to do so. If not, I apologize in advance.

Thanks for your time.

Signature
Just a little suggestion, to avoid the subst bug(that prints all the code for your sign) with the signature template, you should create a second one. (I meant, you create something like User:Dekoshu/sigg, putting only in the page, and, the Subst will print User:Dekoshu/sigg's content, and so, the link to your 'true' sig.)

Hey
I wanna say thanks for being so nice to me and thanks for talking to me a bit because i'm new here--Jaggerjaques 00:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)Jaggerjaques

Hello.
Hello, and thanks for the welcome. As you can evidently see I'm new to this, so bare with my novice edits for the time being. :) I'll remember to discuss possible content changes on the Talk page next time before editing, so thanks for reminding of that as well when I should really know that. Any other things a newbie should know as well? Dalyup! 21:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">Dekoshu talk contrib 21:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey
I saw your post on arrancars page. I understand your problem, the only downside is that there really hasn't been much to show the level either Yoruichi or Soifon is at spiritual power wise. My best guess is they are pretty powerful cause you gotta be at captain-level but i really dont think anyone would know. I mean Yoruichi never uses her zanpakuto even and soifon never shows anything in excess. But considering the little i recall with them in amagi arc i think its a safe bet that just like her hand to hand, flash steps, and shunko abilities yoruichi is most likely more powerful then soifon, especially when it comes to spiritual energy. Also take into the account that Yoruichi is one of the high ranking nobles which tend to be very powerful. id put her power level comparable to Byakuya or maybe higher considering shes older but thats just my thoughts.Salubri 22:20, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Yoruichi & Soifon
What exactly did you need help on? You know, what aspects of their spiritual powers did you need my help to describe? Arrancar109 18:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Discussion
Its called making a point. About different storyline facts. There not aliens and I dont know how its not absurd having a new level of super saiyan every new bad guy or having a power level so astronomical that it requires an even more unnecessary level of power, i dont see a storyline in that just fighting, you may enjoy that you may consider the show different then i do but i dont enjoy it and thats what im saying. I love bleach its one of my favorite shows and I dont estimate the abilities of characters of any other series because they have nothing to do with bleach. I've seen it too, theyre two completely different shows comparison has no place. The powers are different the stories are different, the characters and whatever. Your right i shouldn't have to type all this. But im truly a fan of bleach just as i am of other anime/manga but regardless whether i like something or not i dont talk about them here on bleach wiki cause thats not what this sight is about. Your right i could careless about goku i dont like dragon ball anything it is not on my list of good anime shows but ive seen it in detail enough to know i dont like it all the way up to him fighting cell. There is way to much need to compare on your part, instead of allowing each series to exist on its own. I have no doubt that Goku or dragonball has some similarities in characters abilities but they arent the same at all if that was the case then the creator of dragon ball would have made bleach instead of kubo. I don't need a conflict about it, your entitled to think how you please, thats your right. I like other shows to and other characters in other series but what does that have to do with bleach, thats all im saying. Salubri 21:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I am never find it unnesscary to have enormous power in both Bleach and Dragon Ball. My view is optimistic, and I know better to have that trait than the other or the neutral. Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z has a storyline, I didn't see just the fighting from them. I'm glad you agree with me. I'm sorry I started the speech. They're really aren't the same at all. I already cared about Bleach, and caring is not a bad thing. I have a point, but that doesn't mean I should impose it on everyone. You're right. They're nothing to do with Bleach, but let's not be foolish about it. I will never stop loving Bleach. I know not every old thing is better than the new. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">Dekoshu talk contrib 21:20, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

How you feel about any series and its characters is up to you but, im a realist i see things as they are based on what is known not what i want them to be. Sure i do think about what i want to happen or what i hope will happen but thats speculation on my part. So all im saying is its obvious u like bleach or you wouldnt be here and you like other shows too, but lets give this series and any other series the respect it deserves and not put things worlds apart in competition with each other. Ill Let you know a secret im very optimistic, i hope the good guys when and i know aizen and his espada or going to get taken out, your right ichigo is getting better and he will defeat ulquiorra. Salubri 21:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I am also a realist. It's not always what I wanted to be. If only Espada and Shinigami stop this stupid, endless war, and have peace, but at least one was actually a good espada: Neliel Tu Oderschvank. I wished at least ONE Shinigami captain who despite at their full potential, actually lost to the espada. Also, I don't just give Bleach and the other anime the respect it truly deserves. I also give them my kindness, my love, and interest to them as well. Never think of giving only respect to anyone or anything. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">Dekoshu talk contrib 21:54, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok
I'll ask then. why should a captain be defeated?

Because even though they are immensely powerful and quite intelligent, an Espada was literally able to hit them. Which captain you saw actually lost and died from a Hollow of Arrancar or Ichigo? <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">Dekoshu talk contrib 22:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Well ill say this Espada are evil, they're the bad guys, now if we got into a whole conversation about power level and all but basically its simple. No one in the series is at the same level they were. Ichigo is more powerful then what he was when he fought kenpachi, and the same can be said about kenpachi and all the others in the series to some degree. When first introduced The shinigami didnt know what the arrancar were let alone their power-levels. The element of surprise was on the arrancar's side because technically speaking their shinigamification should have made them more powerful then what they could previously achieve. But then question is what level of evolution as a hollow were they originally. Most likely they all where adjhucas as the only gillian was stated to be the 9th espada. As well as not anyone of them being a vaste lorde because Aizen clearly states a little after tousen takes grimmjaws arm off, that he needs to still bring together the vaste lorde to complete his espada, noting he hadn't done so yet. So if you look at the who picture its plain to see that Aizen is basically using the Arrancar as cannon fodder. If they happen to win good less obstacles for him and if they happen to loose what does it matter he has bigger plans and theyre just a means to an end. After all he cares less for the defeat of the others, assuming he knows they lost but he hasnt indicated that it would matter to him. So then where left with the top 3 now mind you captains are well versed enough to gauge someone's abilities and how to beat them, some espada apparently can do but they overestimate their own power and underestimate that of others. As powerful as they are theyre still hollow deep down. This arrogance is what led to the downfall of 6 to 9 and most likely is seen to being repeated for the 4th. A couple of the captains have fought with them enough to know a bit about what to expect. So the more powerful arrancar make it a toss up really. Stark doesnt really seem arrogant but who knows what he's really like he might not care enough to get himself involved in a fight to the death. Shunsui didnt seem all to concerned with fighting the most powerful espada at all. Halibel and barragen definitely come off arrogant and its questionable what they will do but if anything comes of those fights it'll be the wealth of information about the captains zanpakuto's that up until now we have been left in the dark about. The biggest question is if the espada are nothing more then an attempt at Aizen to distract or tire out the Gotei 13, then theyre only so powerful as to be a big nuisance, after all if they were as powerful as they are supposed to be how can Aizen, Gin and Tousen keep them under control as they were once captain shinigami? wouldnt they be killed off themselves given the opportunity? Salubri 22:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

As far as Aizen who knows what will happen, its obvious without his zanpakuto's he is not as much a threat and he is obviously not trying to enter into a combat situation with certain captains namely Unohana or Yamamoto. So im not sure what will happen there, im guessing he'll get more then what he bargained for in the end, his type usually does. But i really dont know what your getting at shouldn't the bad guys lose. Why does a captain have to be defeated? I mean we dont know what ichigo is or for how long and since when is he trying to have a fight with a captain besides when he first got to soul society and that situation. Not to mention we currently only know how powerful ichigo is in relation to Ulquiorra not anyone else. For all we know half the captains can be more powerful then ichigo currently because we dont know how powerful ulquiorra in his second form is to anyone else but ichigo and lets not forget ichigo while powerful isnt the most powerful character in the series. Salubri 23:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok who was defeated and what else are you talkin about i dont understandSalubri 00:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Who died? Salubri 00:40, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Well thats common knowledge that Ichigo has lost but he has the combative skill to fight a captain but not the skill required to gain that position even if he wanted to. Besides we've seen his fighting level he beats people but just barely and usually do to intervention of his hollow abilties. Grimmjaw of course was defeated we've seen that as well. Im just not sure of what else you were referring to Salubri 00:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Well see thats whats confusing me with what your saying because in the entire time the arrancar have shown up not one shinigami has died. some espada and other arrancar have but no shinigami has been defeated as of yet. Salubri 00:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Your annoying me cause your not making any since when did i ever say a shinigami was invincible and could't be defeated. Sure they get hurt no one even said they never expected not to and go to every fight thinking they will unscathed thats the mentality of the espada not the shinigami. Sure theyre surprised when they are successfully attacked and sure some do get it taken to them but not one has been defeated yet well with the exception of ikkaku, which was his own fault. Salubri 00:57, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Your the one getting an attitude, your not making sense is the problem. You brought the topic up and i dont even know what your talking about now. Ichigo was defeated yes, Grimmjaw was defeated and then ikakku but no one said anything about anyone being invincible and to assume anything ahead of what is known is speculation because not one actual captain has lost Salubri 01:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I am sorry and I regreted taling to you. Nobody understands me. I'm just a failure. Don't bother helping me. ==<span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">Dekoshu talk contrib 01:07, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Its not that your really annoying but you brought up the subject, it wasnt making sense cause you werent being specific about what your really trying to say and then you got an attitude with me because i was getting confused about what you were trying to talk about Salubri 01:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Well first your were saying ichigo and grimmjaw was defeated and then your were saying a shinigami died and then when i didnt know what you were referring to on the last thing u was saying you were getting annoyed then you said check the espada page but that was more confusing cause it didnt back what you were saying about anyone dying then u randomly switched over to people not being invincible. So i dont know what you were really trying to say cause i kept asking and you just said you werent going to explain it. Salubri 01:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Forums
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Hakuda
The reason why I originally removed the Hakuda link from Neliel's page is because it's a shinigami style of combat. While it might not be true, I do think it is possible it might also be a name for certain discipline, since Yoruichi and Soifon use specific moves and a disciplined fighting style, while most of the Arrancar that used hand-to-hand techniques use self-taught methods instead of a specific fighting discipline. Arrancar109 16:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)