Forum:Gin's Status ?

The latest Chapter was released last night by Mangastream. So I am going to assume that this is not a Spoiler. As of yesterday's chapter Gin is found to be dying and he is not dead. I was just wondering if someone could change his status from Deceased to Incapacitated? Bharatram1 26th August 2010 02:29 (UTC)

Curious about this as well, if not that then Unknown for the moment...he's kind of at a Grimmjow state but X5. He certainly remarked on Ichigo in his head...and Ichigo's way of looking at him made me wonder...wonder about...life, and...butterflies...not Aizenflies though! I'd squash them in an instant. I think Gin should be Incapped or Unknown, while I was all for his deceased last week this chapter has made him more out to still be in the process of...dying (but not dead, kind of like Grimmjow was dying but never really was...dead). TVthePunisher (talk) 02:34, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

We are not getting into this again. I do not know the stance of the admins but I think it was clearly shown that he has now died. He passed the torch to Ichigo and with that, his life ended. The admins will decided what to do but we are not getting into the same long fight that happened with Rangiku. So leave it to them--God (Pray)  02:35, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I certainly have no intention of fighting over this. As stated in my blog, it's up to the top dogs! Just getting my opinion out there after all =D guys, do as you please...won't bother me in the slightest. Jeez...I must be high or something...? TVthePunisher (talk) 02:37, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's not you Im worried about. Bhatram1 made pretty much the same topic a few weeks ago about Rangiku and after we told them to drop it because it was decided to list her as deceased until proven otherwise, they continued to fight even with the admins.--God (Pray)  02:40, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I agree Gin's page is locked for a reason, so that we do not have a repeat of the Matsumoto incident. But, I think Gin is dead now, he had his spike spegal moment, when he said I can leave it to you now, even if he isn't dead yet, I don't think he will be fighting anytime soon. --Lemursrule (talk) 02:42, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Gin's last act this chapter was raising his arm towards the sky - we don't get anything else after that. Of course, he wouldn't be able to do that if he were dead, and I doubt that a person would die with their arm just pointing in the air; it would drop back down. It's hard to say, but we can't conclusively say that Gin is dead quite yet. Following the same policy, he doesn't look explicitly dead, so he must be incapacitated at the moment. Mohrpheus (talk) 02:42, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Morpheus if you analyse carefully that hand's not Gin, its Aizen trying to illustrate something I know everything moment to Ichigo, anyway don't wanna to get into this Gin dies/not yet thingy its better we all let the matter rest for now and brace for Aizen vs Ichigo Soulreaper1234 (talk) 03:34, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Huh, looks like you're right. I'm not sure, the angle and shading are a bit weird, but I guess it does make sense. Weird that they'd zoom in on his arm like that though. Mohrpheus (talk) 03:37, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

It is the same case as Grimmjow, Last time I saw him he was still alive, I know if he is dead or not and no one has explicitly said he is dead so better to say Unknown rather than Dead. Bharatram1 26th August 2010 02:47 (UTC)


 * While that's how I feel regarding it, I wouldn't put up a fight with anybody over it. Now if he sat up or something then yeah...the man's clearly still kicking, but as far as the other evidence that is compiled, it is up to the admins to decide if A.) He should be Deceased or B.) He should be Incapped or Unknown. Just sit back and wait like the rest of the Gin fans to see if he'll make a comeback (like I'm doing with Grimmjow), he was created by Kubo and can die by Kubo...he makes the final shot. (Jeez this is the THIRD time I've forgot to use the tillys as I call em...good thing I catch it each time) TVthePunisher (talk) 02:58, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I will admit that after the recent chapter, Gin does fall into the "Grimmjow" category and per the "Grimmjow test", which is the same test that was applied to Tesla, he should be listed as unknown. Especially since the whole arm thing is ambiguous at best. Gin doesn't have the strength to lift his arm and Aizen' does have his arm extended in the very next panel. So the likely hood is that it is Aizen's arm and Kubo just drew it rather badly so that people are getting thrown-off thinking that it might be Gin's and that's Gin's last act. Anyway, I am not saying that Gin is going to live through this. I stand by my comment about Gin's future in the series being doubtful because of his non-antagonist and non-protagonist status. However, it is true that by the precedent set by Grimmjow and Tesla, we should probably list it as unknown. Tinni   (Talk)  15:37, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Had to admit what Tinni said make sense, we probably should all agreed the status of Gin as of now as Unknown, anyway just to comment on Kubo's way of illustration of the way he handles Gin's dying I mean he probably done this way lot better than when he handles Grimmjow, where in this case its Kenpachi vs Nnoitra at that time (it was so jaw-dropping because we are seeing Kenpachi in action LOL), I completely forgotten what happen to the Pantera Guy until someone brought it up, then it was the same like it was with Kensei and then Ukitake, plus all the others who battled against/with/for Aizen (Gotei 13 Captains, Vizards, Espadas) at least in Gin's case he opened his eyes and tries to see what became of Ichigo and then saying something in his head that he does not have to do anything and will leave it all to Ichigo then fade away. Maybe the problems with Kubo is or are he tries to tell the story very fast he forgot the side characters and become so messed up in his head or whatever because as evidence from a few of his interviews that he does not have much time or have enough page a week. This however, just to deflect our attention from Gin, yes it was the new Ichigo, the AizenShut facepalm/chokeslam techniques and then we'd probably would not have to talk about Gin anymore cum next week, it is all Ichigo vs Aizen.Soulreaper1234 (talk) 05:00, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Tinni, I checked Gin's page to day and noticed that his status has not been changed to Unknown Would be great if someone did. Bharatram1 Aug 28 20:37 (UTC)
 * Tinni, I checked Gin's page to day and noticed that his status has not been changed to Unknown Would be great if someone did. Bharatram1 Aug 28 20:37 (UTC)
 * Tinni, I checked Gin's page to day and noticed that his status has not been changed to Unknown Would be great if someone did. Bharatram1 Aug 28 20:37 (UTC)

She has not changed it since it will not be changed. He is deceased. End of story, this discussion should be closed now--God (Pray)  20:39, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Prove it Bharatram1 Aug 28 2010 20:41(UTC)

Kubo formula, flashback + monologue. The guy cannot move, cannot speak and says he is leaving. Gin is dead. Leave it, I will get someone in here to close the topic. Stop trying to change everyone's status. Every single one of your contributions is debating a persons status. Like it or not we use facts here. Facts are called such because they can be proved. --God (Pray)  21:00, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

But what you are saying is pure Speculation and not fact. The fact of the matter is the last time Gin was seen he was still alive and not dead. And after that there has been no word as to say wether he is alive or not. No one says he is Dead. Just because Kubo uses a technique does not mean it is the same for Gin. Also if that is the case what about Grimmijow ? If I remember correctly he also got a Flashback and a monlogue but this very site states him as unknown.Bharatram1 Aug 28 2010 21:07(UTC)

I agree with Bharatram1, Gin's status should be changed to Unknown or Incapacitated. He was alive in the last chapter wasn't he? And so what if he posted about Rangiku a while ago? He was right about it anyways, Rangiku is still alive! His eyes were open and he was thinking clearly in 417, so he clearly is not dead yet. Please, just change it to Incapacitated for now, and when he really IS dead, change it back to deceased.Potterwatcher1997 (talk) 22:02, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Although those above me have been rather forceful in their insinuations about Gin's status, their position does have some validity. At this point in time considering Gin dead/deceased would be a misnomer. Death can be defined as the cessation of brain activity and the biological functions that sustain an organism. Yes, Gin is dying, that is indisputable, however, he has yet to die. The last several panels we saw of Gin were a coherent internal monologue and him likely losing consciousness. That alone, however, does not instantly declare him as being dead. In literature, it is a common occurrence for a character to shut their eyes shortly before they "peacefully" fade away, accepting their situation and having made peace with it. That being said, it is more veracious to consider that Gin's current status is "incapacitated." As it stands he is lying on the ground, bleeding out and likely losing consciousness, but he has not ceased being alive as of yet. It is highly likely that he will die, either in the next chapter or a following one, but it has yet to be confirmed with any veracity that he did indeed pass away in 417. Bharatram1 Aug 28 2010 23:30(UTC)

Again, this is a situation in which decisions are made for the good of the wiki and many of us agree the Chapter points to his death, your opinions won't change that, and our policies serve the wiki and have served it well!! SunXia (talk) 23:50, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Gin is on the verge of death, NOT deceased!
Geeze not this again.... Come on staffs! Can't you find any other words to describe the kind of condition that Gin is in at this point of the manga? Hes NOT dead! His eyes are open and is able to think. Granted this time I don't think were going to be lucky enough to have Gin survive... like what happen with Rangiku... to which you guys had listed her as Deceased instead of Incapacitated.

Thesaurus is your friend. Use it. ByakuyaMayuri (talk) 01:31, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you 100%, BM. Nice to see you on Bleach Wiki :DPotterwatcher1997 (talk) 01:39, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Potterwatcher :) It's nice to see you here, too! Glad that people are speaking out againt this whole ordeal :)

Ooops I forgot to add in my signature :) ByakuyaMayuri (talk) 02:32, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Really, this is a moot point!! Short of showing a panel of his heart actually stopping, many of us have agreed that he is dead because thats how it has appeared as though he can now leave as Ichigo can now do what he wanted!! There was little we could do when two characters stated that Rangiku was dead and because there was no proof otherwise, she was listed as dead because, until otherwise stated, we keep the wiki as current as possible!! This is a tiny issue that is not important!! The wiki is of a high standard and pages are locked in instances to prevent edit warring, where people like yourself would turn it to alive and others would change it back to dead over and over, needless and pointless, as is this argument, if the status is wrong, it'll only be temporary any way, one LITTLE wrong thing, you guys need to get over it, this place ain't a dictatorship!! SunXia (talk) 02:53, August 29, 2010 (UTC)