Forum:Kido

This page is for discussing anything relating to the Shinigami technique of Kido. If what you wish does not have a topic of its own yet, go ahead and add it. Any posts about Kido made outside of this thread, however, will be deleted and their contents added here. --Yyp 11:51, November 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * To discuss Shunko, please use this thread: Forum:Shunko

Kido Haein 54 Wasteflame
this thought pisses the heck outta me...Why is it we as a bleach community continually consider the Waste Flame Kidou to incinerate anything? We have seen it used against a dead arm that had no spiritual presence what-so-ever but continually I see site after Roleplaying site seem to think of it as autokill. what is this shit Naruto's BS Amaterasu fire? If it were it'd obviously be a much MUCH higher number. What are other peoples thoughts on the matter? Is it really okay to say it incinerates everything Or should a change get made to say "weak spirutual entities" and things like that.{unsigned|Fensake|05:58, 30 October 2009}}

Also everybody skilled enough would use it all the time if it was that powerful. I think it's just big quick burst of heat that has enough power to incinerate dead things --Akeki 16:06, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

It says it will incinerate a target. It doesn't say it will incinerate anything & i'm okay with it being this way, but lets see if anybody else thinks differently. Minato88 03:42, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

I can't speak for other sites, but in the instance in which it was used, it incinerated its target. There's nothing inaccurate about that, and there's no reason to assume that was a fluke. I'm sorry that roleplaying sites have morphed the meaning into something else, but that really has nothing to do with this wiki. Twocents 04:01, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Yumichka and kido
Since we can't put this down due to the lack of evidence, who thinks that Yumichika is actually a Kido Expert or master as is the case with every other shinigami with a kido type zanpakuto, either he never really used it in his life due to lack of interest and the 11th division or just hiding it because 11th division members find it cowardly i suppose.--SalmanH 15:49, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

I figure he has general knowledge of it. More so then Ikkaku who cant readily identify kido spells as he has never had any interest in it. Yumichika seems like he might be more knowledge about it due to the nature of his zanpakuto but i dont think thats enough to state that he has any more knowledge with it. After all he is still 11th Division and just because the nature of his Zanpakuto it doesn't mean that he has any power in that discipline. Salubri 16:27, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

However it can't be a coincidence that every shinigami with a kido type zanpakuto in this site are labeled as experts or masters, but even if it gives them a natural aptitude for kido they still require practice.--SalmanH 17:36, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

I've sometimes thought about this myself. Still, just because his Zanpakuto is a Kido-Type doesn't by any means make him a master with Kido. I'm sure he can preform some Kido(Basic low-level ones). I also think Yumichika has great potential not only in kido, but overall. & if he ever learns Bankai he will be hard to beat. Minato88 22:12, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

He would.. but there a number of things that can beat him such as senbonsakara, Getsuga tenshou etc that is if they react fast enough and his true shikai travels quickly enough but it can be countered however he would never release it unless there is no one from the 11th division around and a person really can't judge what a shinigami's bankai would be. Examples: Soifon, Ichigo, Mayuri.. perhaps those may not be the best examples to some but I think I've proved my point.--SalmanH 12:20, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

The fillers seem to have taken this idea on board. But as far as canon is concerned, I think Yumichika may well have some Kido powers, but I question how often he would be able to practice it. He would have to keep it secret from the rest of the 11th division, which means wandering off to some hidden place to practice in peace. Lack of practice would be his main limiting factor here, imo. --Yyp 17:15, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Kido technique (Yoruichi)
When Yoruichi appeared in episode 55 taking Soifon down the cliff face she created a yellow sphere of energy, was that some kind of spell or just her own reiatsu concentrated in the form of a destructive sphere.--SalmanH 11:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

It looks like kido to me (and Soul Reapers don't exactly have non-kido reiatsu blast moves), but there's not enough info to tell much about it other than it goes 'boom' really. ZeroSD 12:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

You're right, but what about shunko that technique requires alot of concentration and does massive damage, she is the one who created it after all so it's a maybe that it's not a spell but she should be capable of doing something like that easily.--SalmanH 13:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Shunko's still described as kido, a combination of kido and hand to hand specifically. So in other words, shunko's an unchanted kido, and this spell is likely an unchanted kido spell of some sort, pretty similar to several we've seen before (it may even be one we've seen before, merely without the name). ZeroSD 14:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

So what we saw could have been just another variation of highly compressed kido but most likely to a lesser extent.--SalmanH 16:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Determining Expertise of Kido
How do we determing how skilled a Shinigami is with Kido? This has been a question that has been bugging me for a while.

Kido level is harder to determine, unlike swordsmanship. With swordsmanship, the culmination of it is bankai (with two exceptions: Kenpachi, who is a master swordsman even without bankai or even knowing his sword's name and Mayuri, whose zanpakuto focuses on debilitating the enemy rather than actual fighting).

There are three levels of Kido that we use on the forum:

---Practitioner--- For those who have an understanding of Kido and can cast spells of some power. Most practitioners favor swordsmanship For Example: Renji, Omaedea

---Expert--- For those who can cast spells with considerable power and tact. Many can skip the incantation and still keep the power intact. For Example: Izuru, Isane

---Master--- For those who can cast high level spells with incredible power. They can use kido with great tact and skill that when it is used, it is quite devastating. For Example: Tessai, Aizen

Now here's where it gets tricky. When does one cross the line from being just an expert at Kido to being a master? Do we assume that just because of rank that captains are masters of Kido and lieutenants are experts? Is it the level of the spell that you can perform without incantation? This is just a question. Ideas from others would really be great. --Shinitenshi 04:00, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

i think it is base on how high lv kido you can do woth fell power. if you can do it with out saying the things before it.--Ace 04:09, October 9, 2009 (UTC)