Talk:Rangiku Matsumoto

Strawberry Blonde or Ginger
I'd say her hair is just ginger orange since it's a faded orange color, not a blonde color with light orange tones. Difference?

Ginger: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=lily%20cole&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=931

Strawberry blonde: http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=931&tbs=isch:1&sa=1&q=nicole+kidman&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Tomboy Daisy (talk) 22:19, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, both these women artificially dye their hair, especially nicole kidman who has spent a lot of time in those pics as an unatural blode while her natural strawberry blond looks more like Rangiku's!! Look at the difference between Rangiku and Orihime, their shades are definitely not the same and Lily Cole's is way redder naturally than rangiku's but again she also has her hair tinited profesttionally SunXia (talk) 22:22, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

And ginger's not really supposed to be a term used for hair colour, it's usually, red/auburn/strawberry blond etc etc SunXia (talk) 22:25, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ginger is most certainly a term for hair color. Ginger sounds a lot more appropriate for natural redhead colorations than redhead does considering redheads don't actually have red hair unless it's dyed. In fact, auburn is more red than any real redhead hair I've encountered.

And anyway the point is she doesn't have blonde hair, her hair never shows up as a blonde tone, and strawberry blondes don't have just light or dull orange hair colors, they have blonde hair with slight orange tones. There's an obvious difference and as her hair never looks blonde she's not a strawberry blonde. Tomboy Daisy (talk) 22:31, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Mabashi I just remembered Mabashi has strawberry blonde hair. In reality Orihime has orange hair, Ichigo has light orange hair, Rangiku has ginger orange hair, and Mabashi has strawberry blonde hair to give you perspective. Tomboy Daisy (talk) 22:44, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Red-head is the correct term in the way that blond is the correct term for anything lighter than brown until it hits white!! MY doctors call my brother red-head, ginger is a general term used in a slang and derogatory manner!! When i look at colours on a hair dye scale, they are shades of red, since orange is a shade of red, but a light shade that has had yellow mixed into it!! SunXia (talk) 23:11, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_hair_color here have a look SunXia (talk) 23:12, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

There is no definitive correct term for a human's hair color as long as you are using real colors to describe it. Ginger is not necessarily a derogatory term just like many slang terms. And you're just straying away from the point now. I just showed you another Bleach character who actually is a strawberry blonde and you didn't even acknowledge it. Tomboy Daisy (talk) 23:27, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

OK, give me an example that Ginger is used as a correct term, by correct terminology other than, "Hey look at that Ginger" or "He/She's Ginger" or "That dude next to the Ginger" in a social setting!! This is a matter of perspective and obviously people have agreed that Strawberry Blond is the correct term to be used in regards to Rangiku's hair!! Ginger is a term used for anyone with any shade or hint of red in their hair!! So by that every red head should be labelled ginger, including mabashi, who has a a lighter shade of red!! Strawberry blond, in my perspective, as an Irish person who sees "ginger" people every day is still a hair colour described as ginger in a social and derogatory setting so in that regards, if Rangiku becomes ginger then so should ichigo, Orihime and mabashi!! SunXia (talk) 23:42, July 25, 2010 (UTC) Ah... guys... Manga says she's golden blond. Tinni  (Talk)  09:30, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

I was actually about to post the same thing. Not with this image in particular but there were a lot of other manga colorations that predate this one that depicted her hair as this this color. -- DragonBlade302 (talk) 09:35, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing that one up!! I was just going by the colour in the Anime and how it depends on perspective and how you look at it, knew it definitely wasn't ginger which is still not a colour!! Wonder why it is so much redder in Anime or maybe it is the animators trying to make it appear more golden-ish than usual blond, the way blue eyes white dragon looks...blue in the Anime of Yu-Gi-Oh, kinda like that hmmm!! Thanks Tinni!! SunXia (talk) 10:12, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Tinni and Dragon Blade are correct. It was established in the manga that Rangiku's hair is blonde. The cover for the new Volume 46 is the most obvious example (I wasn't aware that it was out until this morning), but also, in various color pages in the manga, Rangiku's hair was colored as blonde in the past, similar to how Orihime's eyes were colored as brown in the manga instead of grey. Blonde is indeed the correct color for Rangiku's hair. Thanks for clearing this up here, Tinni. Arrancar109 (Talk)  15:24, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Ginger is still a hair color. I'm a ginger I have ginger family members, it's definitely not always a derogatory word, quit watching South Park. Also, her hair color in the manga is clearly vastly different and like someone said it's Golden Blonde. Her hair in the anime is clearly not the same color as you have acknowledged but it's obviously not Strawberry Blonde because even strawberry blonde and golden blonde are two completely different hair colors. Just because her hair actually was blonde in the manga doesn't mean it's strawberry blonde here because as has been said the two colors are completely different just as Orihime's eyes weren't anywhere near the same color from the anime to the manga so nice job trying to bring proof into this. The only thing you've proved is that she was a total blonde in the manga.

Also about ginger again, ginger is another word for redhead just like any other redhead specific color. It can be used for someone with red or orange toned hair of any kind. The color ginger itself though is just like Rangiku's a dull orange. Orihime's eyes aren't brown just because they were in the manga just like Rangiku's hair isn't blonde just because it was in the manga. If anything showing it was blonde in the manga just reinforces the fact her hair isn't blonde in the anime. .:: TomboyDaisy  ::.  21:12, July 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * The thing is that Manga is our first hand source for reference in this wiki, be it plot, colors, etc. That's why we're keeping Rangiku's hair as blond, because the manga has her as blond, even if the anime gave her an orange, auburn, or whatever you want to call it color. It's the same as what happened with Gin, the anime initially colored his eyes red (though it was corrected recently), but the manga always had them blue, so we kept them blue in his infobox. That's it. Lia Schiffer   (Talk)  21:17, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Doesn't the vast amount of information on the page center on the anime though? .::  TomboyDaisy  ::.  21:19, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

The anime is referenced if there isn't any manga references available, which do affect some character statistics. By our policies here, the manga is our primary source of information, since it has the original content written and drawn by the original author, Tite Kubo. The anime is the secondary source of information, and it does come up when there aren't any manga references available (such as the anime-only arcs). Arrancar109 (Talk)  21:46, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

This is a moot point, but Ginger is still not the proper term for a Red Head, the term is red head, look it up!! I do not watch South Park, please do not insult my intelligence by presenting such moot evidence as "I'm ginger I should know", that is not solid proof!! And anyway, while most of the pictures come from the anime for better viewing, everyone knows the first port of call is the Manga as it is the original sourced material!! Even in the anime, I would say her hair is a red shade of blonde, since that is the correct term or else everyone with a red shade in their hair would be called ginger!! Please do not insult my intelligence with "I should know"'s when I provided evidence of what I was saying and you weren't!! Anyway, issue resolved, right? SunXia (talk) 22:45, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Considering how long and drawn out this discussion is I would make a point in saying this. While the manga attributes her hair color as golden blond and we usually go by manga first I would tend to agree with those who argue that point. But to play devils advocate I would also point out the in a somewhat similar issue Gin's eyes were portrayed in the manga as blue he appears with red eyes in the anime and then they corrected this color to blue later on. The difference with Gin and Rangiku's issues are that Gins eyes are rarely seen we can count on one hand the number of times we have seen them open. Once red and in both anime and manga depicted as blue. That issue for all purposes is resolved as far as im concerned. But the issue with this hair color is somewhat different. While the manga makes claim to her hair being golden blond throughout the manga based anime and anime only it has never appeared to be remotely golden blonde. Now the point being that 100% of the time this red or strawberry blond hair color seems to be the official concept of her hair color. This is not a rare occurrence as of 280 episodes its been anything other then golden blond. I would move that in fairness of the awkward situation we are placed in with this we should list it upon the color she is predominately shown to have and we list the difference in the manga as a trivia point. It doesn't make the manga any less true but it does acknowledge in televised format it has been changed and there seems to be no intention of changing it. To do otherwise would confuse anyone as the anime version is what is commonly depicted by most fans, wheres the golden blond is never seen in a black and white manga. Hence unles explicitly stated or shown in color portions by kubo i usually would stick to the anime version of colors as thats where 99% of coloration comes from.'--Salubri (Talk)  23:08, July 26, 2010 (UTC)