Forum:Why???

Did SS not bring any healers with them to the biggest battle the are ever gonna haveKensei24 21:10, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to guess the reason is similar to when Yamamoto didn't send any healers with the group that wound up becoming the Vizards, because the area is too dangerous. They'd be likely targets if they had shown up since they aren't as skilled figheters. --Ihaveaname 21:16, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

they still need healers like Unohana and she is a skilled fighter from what i understandKensei24 21:21, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

She was sent to Hueco Mundo, so I guess they felt her skills, leadership, experience was best used there.

--Ihaveaname 21:24, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

It would appear that most Shinigami sufficiently skilled at Kido can heal well enough for emergency purposes. Which is what Kira did. Anything more would require the skill level for Unohana and Isane. I guess Yamamoto decided that emergency healing is all that was necessary in FKT. Tinni 22:01, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

But Tinni, you can't forget to note that Kira was a former 4th squad shinigami. Most of the Shinigami in FKT are skilled at Kido, but Kira is the only one with experience down there who isn't as badly injured as everyone else.Codyage 02:59, October 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * I know Kira is ex-squad 4 and as such when the injuries began to mount, he was the best person to take out of the list of fighters and given designated a healing role. Which was pretty much what Hisagi said when he told Kira to go heal. But Hinamori first words to Rangiku was that "I'll heal you in a minute" when she caught Rangiku in her suspended star and before Allon got Hinamori herself. Rukia, who also is fairly skilled at kido, used to heal rather sever injuries of Ichigo back in the agent of the Shinigami Arc. Indeed, she healed the near fatal injuries of Orihime and Tatsuki while she was weakened and in a gigai. So my point was that no healers does not equal no one capable of healing. All it really means is that for whatever reason Yama-jii decided that no seated officer from the 4th would be brought along as designated healer for FKT. Probably because, as Darkgoku said below, none of them were good enough fighters. I mean, Hanataro was next to useless in Heuco Mundo and actually managed to get in Byakuya's way with his incompetent babbling. I am actually honestly wondering why Hanataro was included in the trip to Heuco Mundo. Tinni 09:30, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

healers are always targeted first. in RPG games, in strategy games in anime as well. healers are always targeted first. most healers are lacking in attack and defense. this makes healers easy targets.Darkgoku 08:20, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree with Kensei24, they should have brought more people from squad 4. Renji states eventhough they are medics they are also trained for combat. Also, Aizens forces were pretty badly outnumbered, even before the Vizards. So the Arrancars didn't have enough numbers to directly attack a medic, since the combatants would have attacked them from behind if they had tried. Minato88 18:08, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

I think it' simple, people with not enough power will get caught on the middle of such techniques all vizards and shinigami displayed until now at least that's my guessDaigo623 23:46, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

I think some 4th-squad members should have been sent. Some higher-power ones, like the one from 3rd Squad, and have him hide until the enemies are engaged so he can come out and heal. Gotei 13 has this bad habit of using poor tactics. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 00:06, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but u have to admit their poor tactics are nothing when compared to how badly Aizen runs his forces. Minato88 00:09, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

True, at least people in the Gotei 13 try to rescue one another. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 01:32, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

That's just it isn't it. In the Gotei 13 the Captain-commander is willing to step-in to save the live of a bunch of vice-captains. Sure he called them "worthless" for forcing him to get involved but he still got involved and saved their lives. Not to mention Komamura stayed out of the battle for as long as possible guarding said vice-captains. Aizen on the other hand has the philosophy, "if you can't survive on your own you can just die." You can't really compare the two. Getting back to the healing question, for all we know, members of the 4th squad are waiting just outside the barrier and will come in for the injured as soon as the battle is over. In the meantime they think that it is best that Kira does whatever emergency treatment he can. I mean the barrier has only been opened once and that was so the vizards could enter. They obviously don't want to open and close the barrier, certainly not for extended periods of time and moving the wounded takes time. Tinni 01:44, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

I higly doubt there waiting on the outside of the barrier. I mean if there not in there now their probably not there period. It wouldn't do any good for them not to be on the inside. I can just picture it now. Yasochika Lemura with others run in & say "were here to help" & he looks to see Ikkaku & others laying dead on the ground. Yasochika replies "well, don't worry well save em' next time". Minato88 02:28, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't really see what you are getting at here. If they are dead then the battle has been lost and people outside the barrier will die along with people inside the barrier as Aizen creates the king key. From what I recall, Yamamoto said that Karakura Town would be utterly destroyed but the area surrounding it will be devastated as well. On the other hand, as long as one person in the Gotei 13 is still standing he/she will do all the can to protect their nakame or at least kill the enemy before the enemy can turn on the wounded. I mean, I doubt Aizen is going to care about wounded fighters as long as there is one still able to stand. In fact, he is unlikely to bother "finishing" off the wounded when he knows they are going to die when the key is made and Kira so far has done an admirable job of healing the critically injured to bring their status down to "stable but incapable of fighting".


 * I guess what I have been trying to say is that only people who can heal mid-combat so well that said combatant can jump right back into battle are Orihime, Unohana and Mayuri with his medicines. All of them are currently in Heuco Mundo. I really doubt that the 3rd seat could have done anything that Kira can't. He might have been marginally faster but it is still doubtful if he could get anyone back on their feet that Kira couldn't. Plus while the 4th division are trained fighters, the espada and the arrancar are not the type of enemies these guys have been trained to fight. There is no guarantee anyone below vice-captain level (Yumichka is known to be vice-captain level despite his 5th seat rank) wouldn't collapse from the combined pressure of their reiatsu alone. We don't know. What we do know is that Yama-jii isn't stupid and if he didn't bring healers, opting instead to rely on the healing skills of the kido experts like Kira and Hinamori there must be a very good reason for it. Alternatively, Yama-jii has as low an opinion of the 4th squad as the 11th squad and thinks anyone below vice-captain from that squad is next to useless and that's why he left them all behind in Soul Society or... here's a thought, the 4th squad is actually the squad keeping the residents of Karakura asleep and monitoring their condition to make sure none of them wake-up prematurely or anything like that. Tinni 03:41, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * I like your monitoring theory, u are the first here to even think about that. Still, I was just pointing that there would be no reason to keep emergency healers outside of the barrier because by the time they got in if there were any wounded(this is if the Shinigami win) then they would probably be dead. As far as my little joke goes I didn't mean to offend u, it was a little rude of me. I just picked Yasochika because I know him & on his page it is stated that he is on par with Vice-Captain Isane Kotetsu. I also said Ikkaku & others, not every Shinigami & Vizard laying on the ground dead with Aizen standing victorious. Minato88 15:22, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Me offended? What! Heavens no! My skins not that thin :) Tinni 15:26, October 15, 2009 (UTC)