User talk:Tinni

Hey
Thanks for the assist apparently there is no reasoning with people that feel that rules don't apply to them and feel they aren't held to the same standard as others. Also sorry for the rant on your blog with the other aizen guy im not sure he gets what i was trying to say but we got into somewhat of argument cause he was trying to use personal observation to argue against facts i presented so i dont know but i decided to let him have the last word as i didnt feel like saying that or anymore on the subject for that matter. Salubri (Talk)  02:57, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Humm that sounds pretty dumb and baseless. I personally question whether Gin has one at all really. I just don't think its likely because tosen was angry and hateful toward the world and was power hungry so that he could bring down the organization that allowed his friends death. Gin doesn't seem to have a reason besides something to do. He also doesn't seem to need power, he's dangerous enough with just shikai and all it does it shot out and attack at range. We have yet to see what he can truly do in a fight. Not to mention Tosen always seem the least powerful of the three, the one with the most to prove in story as well as a character and he seemed more of a subordinate to Aizen, like a servant. Gin doesn't act that way he treats aizen like more of an equal or friend and is treated in turn by aizen the same. This is assuming people such as them are capable of having a true relationship on that level. In any case i just don't see it i figure tosen was a test subject plain and simple aizen didn't bat a eye when he died he showed more interest when momo showed up then tosen's death. I figure any attempt at having him have ressereccion would be overkill or unnecessary especially considering we haven't seen any capabilities really from him, by this time in the story we saw shikai and bankai from tosen the only logical next step was something new otherwise he wouldnt have had prayer against komamura. Gin still hasn't revealed his powers in full yet. I anticipate him against Hitsugaya as they have unfinished buisness and no one sees to need to fight him or have more reason to, plus hitsugaya is uninjured his lieutenant rangiku was the closest to Gin outside of maybe Aizen of Izuru and they are both prodigies which seems to match up. Maybe Izuru will join in with hitsugaya Gin will owe explanation and hopefully we get to know what his deal is once and for all. Salubri (Talk)  04:31, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Well I don't know that it would make sense to have either of them survive at this point its been about 4 arcs with them only taking action in two the soul society arc and the fake karakura town. They have been up for 2 the beginning and seemingly the end. Having them survive into another arc would make the past two arcs pointless i think. Not to mention to do so would be disregarding his plans all together. I dont see resurreccion happening for aizen thats pointless we havent even seen his bankai either. He claims to be all powerful, what for the least amount of work he does. We wont know until it gets there but i personally relish the idea of seeing Aizen a bloody mess all cut up and beat to hell. There is more possibility that Gin will survive then Aizen but then again maybe not. Salubri (Talk)  07:24, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

tosen
well whe wrote walls of text in every argument the fact that you avoided it and gave that rip-off excuse just proves you dont think you can prove your point by the way i said in my first coments that it seemed impossible not that it was, i was never trying to prove that i was right because tosen is dead even if i said the contraire i was just trying to prove why it seemed almost imposible and also tha wall of text proves every single one of your previous argumets wrong and by a lot but hey dodge the ball if you like i don really care because i already stated my point wich of course never was "reviving tosen" to say it someway cause kubo alrady killed him

text wall
well i must say i am dearly sorry for not dividing it into paragraphs, but it is divided by points the matter is that i couldnt edit the message (i put edit and the thing didnt open) and i wasnt gonna write all that over again, but if you check it is divided by points and by the way im no fan i have read almost every article in this wikia, seen the anime, read the manga, heard interviews with tite kubo anout this (not all), read articles, meaning im pretty acknowledged at this by know without mentioning that my iq is high meaning i see easily the logic sense in things and i dont use favoritisms, if you checked or check what i wrote youll see it makes a lot of sense, so please dont call me again anything like a fan boy or simply a fan because im not just that at least call me an otaku, the other is quite offensive to me and the bleach fans since the way youre meaning it is that youre calling us idiots wich i am not and also alot that are "just" fans are not. actually i do think highly of myself thank the school teachers that put me in special classes because they tought i was smart for that (anyway don you care about that its just garbage), but in your previous message you did not do anything like an apologize all you said that you where marking the fact that you have met fans like that and like you said to your concern think you won but all that you prove closing the comments on the page, not taking time to read the mssage ( 10 valuable min. of life lost right?)and ignoring quotes from the anime that you know have been made just proved that you think of yourself very high (yes just like you said i do)and are not willing admit things that have been stated even in the series not just the "assumptions" (like you call it) i made, ignoring them to your benefit of course, cause you didnt use much quotes from wath i remember or facts all you did was say the opposite than i because you considered them assumptions and said they cant be proven and thats pretty much all you did well like i said hey you win its your opinion like i said befor my pint was to put logic arguments of why it seemed impossible for hisagi to beat tosen not to prove tite kubo wrong after all he dcides what happens its his world and that means hisagi could kill tosen i just made the point that it seemed impossible for him to do that even if he did

socrates
wow thank you socrates you didnt prove any point wrong you just used assumptions like i did and said that i cant prove it like every other time before ....

do you know how hypocrit it is to mention socrates? one of the points of the story is about humillity (and some others but this is the one that matters know) you are trying to make me look like an ignorant with a very cult story making you a hypocrit because you are acting like you know more than me but saying that i should be humble??? i dont understand how somebody thats showing off his knowledge with a tale that has nothing to do with the original argument makes you humble, it just makes you pretend that youre humble while youre actually looking down on me and a proof of it is that you closed the argument meaning you wanted to have the final word and make me look like an egocentric idiot because i wouldnt be able to defend myself to it, not caring if you where right or if you where acting like a hypocrit becaue youre mentioning a story about humility while youre acting like if you where above me because you had a "prety tale that makes look like an idiot that if you put enough attention to proves that you where the one acting superior all humans are ignorant nobody has even the milliont part of the vast knowledge that exist making us all ignorant and the story is right those who think they know more than others are ignorant beccause they dont know it, im ignorant to no matter how much knowedge i posses i will always be and so are you but you do not teach humillity trying to humiliate someone you are notting like socrates its arrogant of youre part just to have mentioned him, comparing yourself to such a wiseman yes even i, that think so much of myself is an ignorant no matter how high i think of me or how low i think of someone else thats why i am and to be correcting you this way also puts me in your league as well since im doing something similar to what you did

by the way i never expected anything like an apology when i mentioned you indirectly called me an idiot all i wanted was to see if i was right that you also think high of yourself or your knowledge and indeed you admitted you where saying that i was that, along with alot of other fans and one last thing the quotes i mentioned did happen but i am not going to search that mny chapters for you and i dont expect you to reply my with anything except that all of this is false and that those werent youre intentions, etc. but in a way you try to mke me k bad again i must say i really dont care if you do because i already have the facts and thats it i wont pay any major attention to anything you write to me ill answer it because of cortesy but yo wont chane my mid o anything like that so if you want to reply anything fine but dont expect me to take it to seriously

Ah joys of taking things out of context. I was going to leave this since it seemed so important to you that you get the last word but since this does have to sit on my talk page or at least my archives, I figured I should probably writing something to give some context to anyone who might be snooping. Yes I am talking to you! You unnamed eavesdropper who isn't Aizen sorrow z. ^.^

The reason I was reminded of that story and I really was just reminded of it as I was typing my last reply post was because from the start I claimed that certain things were unknown and as they were unknown we could not be certain of the mechanics and any deduction drawn from other events were mere speculation that could be easily proved to be false by the developments of the story and in some cases had been proven false from further developments in the story. It seemed to me that because I refused to assume or rather did not put as much weight on my deductions, no matter how logical, then what Kubo himself unfolded - I was accused of being stupid or idiotic (in fact those very words are present in the comments to the blog post). We weren't talking about worldly knowledge merely knowledge of Bleach. In the knowledge of Bleach I merely claimed not to know anything more then what Kubo revealed. I thought of the story of Socrates because I felt I was being accused of stupidity because I was aware of my ignorance. I wasn't claiming to be Socrates I was merely reminded of the story and because I was I put it down when I was finishing off my comment.

The whole reason I made the blog post that started all this is because I found it amusing that certain subsection of the Bleach fandom fancied that they knew more about the technicalities of the Bleach the Kubo Tite did and were thus bashing him for a perceived discrepancy. This has been my pet peeve with many vocal members of the Bleach Fandom for quite sometimes. Many of who do seem to work off a skewed version of Bleach because they had preformed in their head the direction they thought Bleach was going but when it proved that Bleach wasn't going in that direction, they would get upset and angry. Truth of the matter is that in Bleach the powers or rather the special abilities of zanpakutos are such that the potential exists for anyone to defeat anyone else. Who is to say that Yammy won't fall at the hands of Hanataro because Hanataro manages to use the powers of his Hisagomaru to lessen Yammy's anger and thus weaken him before using the attack ability of it to finish Yammy off. If such a thing happens are we to then suddenly brush off Yammy as being weak? Or say that Hanataro is stronger then Byakuya and Kenpachi who couldn't finish Yammy off? Absolutely not. Because this is Bleach and in Bleach fight between two people says nothing of how either of those people would perform against anyone else. Tinni  (Talk)  03:37, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Committee Nomination
Thanks. Don't know how, but I never even saw that. It's up now anyway. I understand the sentiment (and feel similarly). I think users who are either helping with one of the projects or updating the articles with info from each new chapter/episode are the best candidates. You don't need to be a member of the committee to improve the wiki or help with the projects, and doing those things gives us a much better idea of how good they are. At least more people are taking an interest in it now. -- Yyp  (Talk)  11:21, December 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * I hadn't seen your suggestion on the committee page when I wrote the above. I've brought it up on the admin talk page too. -- Yyp  (Talk)  11:59, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

contradiction
im gonna make my final statement on this and contradict myself by answering in this way

1 you answered exactly the way i said you would but you just did it on your own page to aparent youre not doing that

2 i never tried to prove tite kubo wrong as he created bleach, i stated in multiple times that all i was tying to prove that it seemed impossible if you used logic, altough it was possible as tite kubo would always be right

3 i never called you anything that i shouldnt have until you insulted me the only thing i said previously thats remotely like that was when i said "aparently you read much but dont think much" wich we where refering to bleach meaning that you read it but didnt pay attention or think about it meaning i did not insult you, also you never said that you considered that insulting and when you did say something to me that I did consider insulting you just brushed it off and left it that away, atough like i said thats what i expected you would do

as i said this is my last quote on this unless you answer me directly or anything like that

What I find interesting is people that come on the sight and state opinion as fact because they "think into the series". just because someone goes into thinking of the interpretation doesn't make them any more correct via logic or otherwise then anyone else. I personally don't normally jump on blogs and forums for this reason. I explain most of the situations via facts (whats been determined in the series). I may have a personal view on the situation and i may interject logic into those views but i there is nothing more that i can't stand is when people interject into an argument using their personal views and try to say what is established from the facts is wrong at face value. While i can think of interpretation and deeper meaning and use logic to that point. It serves no place in a argument on facts, who cares what ones personal observations are. what matters foremost is the facts presented. Deep interpretations are something for philosophy discussions and for people who think along those lines maybe others dont. Deal with it but dont argue with them about being wrong when your not right yourself and if you cant deal with facts being used to answer questions then don't ask them. Any true fan of the series knows the answers or at the least most likely answer and is appreciative of those who can answer questions they dont know. But how is there room for anyone to call someone else wrong when they don't know anymore then what they view as the answer by their personal observation. Salubri (Talk)  05:19, December 28, 2009 (UTC)