Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner/Archive 13

Yachiru's Shikai
Yachiru's shikai is given out to be "Sanpo Kenjuu". Still looking for the kanji from the raws.--

Found them. It's " 三歩剣獣 ". Thank you, Japanese blog - http://orenomanngasokuhou.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-1290.html - under the cover of vol. 62 and even more blow, under the red set of character you have four dots. Here's what they say:

• Stern Ritter "V" appears in front of Yachiru and Isane

• "V" can remove his body, presence and disappear from the conscioussness. His ability has three versions.

• "V" tries to attack Yachiru from behind, but she avoids it and cuts his nose.

• The ability of Yachiru's sword is to mimic the movement of the blade in front and behind the user ("V" was not able to see Yachiru's sword and react to it). The name is 三歩剣獣 - Sanp&#333; Kenjū - Three Steps Sword Beast. --Black Butler94 (talk) 13:03, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

The Kanji for her Shikai seems to be as follows 三步剣獣, based on this raw panel here.--The Eleventh Doctor (Trust me. I'm the Doctor.) 18:28, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * That kanji looks like a Chinese translation to me... --Reikson (talk) 01:31, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * You can check all the kanji here -> http://www.romajidesu.com/kanji/ --Black Butler94 (talk) 22:44, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Japanese raw came out -> http://online.mangaraw.net/Bleach-Chapter-571-16-10540.html EvilDragonLord (talk) 16:28, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

I would offer this translation of hers Shikai : "Three Steps of Sword Beasts". I think so because of hence that their ability is mimicry of Yachiru's movements and attacks. Mad6 (talk) 14:10, March 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Looks like you guys got it: it does seem to be 三歩剣獣 Sanpo Kenjū; and a trans. similar to that which Mad suggests, "three-step sword beasts", seems best. Adam Restling (talk) 10:22, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

Zaraki's Zanpakut&#333;
We have kanji, ladies and gentlemen! Thank you, bleachasylum.com for raw spoilers. http://www.bleachasylum.com/showthread.php?1989-Bleach-576-spoilers-and-discussion/page7

- Nozarashi

野 - wild; field 晒 - bleached; bleached cotton cloth;

Edit: Oops, a small edit, which can prove useful --> http://www.immortalgeisha.com/wiki/index.php?title=Nozarashi --Black Butler94 (talk) 14:41, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Apporting raw page to confirm kanji here: http://online.mangaraw.net/Bleach-Chapter-576-18-10733.html --EvilDragonLord (talk) 17:38, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

Here it is, here it is! Swallow, Nozarashi - 「飲み込め…”野晒”」 Source - http://onepiece-naruto.jp/article/394484270.html--Black Butler94 (talk) 08:02, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Black Butler, Your link about Nozarashi is great deal of help, because now We know about source of Kenpachi's motifs (Skull-shaped Reiatsu shape upon releasing, similar to Yachiru's Pink Cat-shaped Reiatsu upon release). I would leave Nozarashi "野晒" meaning as Weather-Beaten One smilar to Kira's "侘助" Wabisuke The Wretched One, because of this skeleton-like motif linked to Nozarashi. Command of his Shikai is like EvilDragon wrote - 飲み込め "Nomikome" that translates to "Swallow". Mad6 (talk) 21:41, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I didn't wrote any Command for Shikai ^_^. I didn't have any raw to back it up, but it's out today, here: http://online.mangaraw.net/Bleach-Chapter-578-11-10776.html--EvilDragonLord (talk) 17:06, April 24, 2014 (UTC)

Guenael
A chapter 570 raw came out (here:[]). The kanji for the epiteth are 消尽点 (バニシング・ポイント), but it doesn't have the "The" part like the others, don't know if it deserves a correction or if is a mistake (just wanted to point it out). Also katakana for the name are グエナエル (Guenaeru); may I suggest change "Guenael" for "Gwenael"?, it sounds more fitting to the other quincy names.--EvilDragonLord (talk) 17:53, February 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * The romaji of "消尽点" is (Shōjinten), and it literally means vanishing point. Romanization of "バニシング・ポイント" is (Banishingu Pointo), since there is no サ (za) kata in raws, this is not a error. Mayby Kubo will change or fix this in Tankobon release, but now it's not the case. I think that Guenael would be best since that if it would be "Gwenael" katakana would be different. As Guenael kata is グエナエル (Guenaeru), Gwenael would be グヴェナエル (Guvenaeru) or グウェナエル (Guwenaeru). It's because the エ (e) kata in Guenael is normally written, unlike in case of ヴェ (ve) or ウェ (we) which ェ (e) is different to capital written エ (e). The latter e are wrtten as lowercase letter, forming with ヴ (v) or ウ (w) a single syllable made of 2 kata symbols, when this capital エ (e) consist of one kata symbols and forms a syllabe alone. Mad6 (talk) 12:55, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Japanese raw for full name came out -> http://online.mangaraw.net/Bleach-Chapter-571-3-10540.html EvilDragonLord (talk) 16:29, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Mad looks right in what was posted above re: Vanishing Point and its underlying Kanji. As for *Guenhael, I elaborate a bit more here, but the gist is that, despite the above reasoning (and, of course, not all Sternritter have German-phonology-following names; cf. Mask de Masculine), Googling the katakana for the name turns up 2 chief usages of them as transliteration for 2 chief spelling candidates, *Gwenael or *Gwen h ael--and that's always assuming it's not some more obscure usage, or a wacky spelling of Kubo's own, à la the Arrancar, like *Gwennhaiylle or something. Adam Restling (talk) 10:35, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

Guremi
So, with the next raw, this new guy does seem to be named "Guremi" like we thought (グレミ), unless there's a possible other name that those Kana could translate to (actually, it was more like "グレミイイ" because Guanael was dragging his name out), but what concerns me more is this guy may have an epithet. Here he says "My product of fantasy". When I looked at the raw version of the same page here, the words he said are in quotes, which is what Kubo has been doing for epithets. The Kanji seems to be "空想の産物" and the Hiragana used is こうそうのさんぶつ. I'm not really sure if this is an epithet or an ability or not, though.
 * A doubled "イ" in his name is from that Guanael was shouting at him in rage. Eventually his translated name would be the same but kata and romaji would be different, because it would include also a longer last "イ", like that - "グレミイ" (Guremī). When Guremi says this "空想の産物" (Kūsō no Sanbutsu) which translates as Product of Fantasy is reffering to Guanael as "fruit" of his powers. According to this page of raws Guremi's ability is called "想像力" (Sōzōryoku) which translates as "(Power of) Imagination". So I suggest to give Guanael an "alias", the aforementioned "空想の産物" Kūsō no Sanbutsu as "Product of (Guremi's) Fantasy", and establish Guremi's ability as "想像力" (Sōzōryoku) which translates as "Imagination". Mad6 (talk) 01:05, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

A raw of last chapter came out. Full Name is Gremmy Thoumeaux (グレミィ・トゥミュー, Guremii Tumyū) and title is "The Visionary" (夢想家 (ザ・ヴィジョナリィ), Musōka (Za Vijonarii)).--EvilDragonLord (talk) 02:33, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

Silbern
I noticed that Silbern has different furigana in tankōbon edition. It's ジルバーン (Jirubān) now, not ズィルバーン (Zirubān). I'm not sure which one is more proper but we should change it in the article anyway, shouldn't we? 21:17, March 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * I actually noticed this post and made the change a while ago, but neglected to confirm that here. Thanks for bringing up the changed furigana, though.--Xilinoc (talk) 02:27, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

Character Name Issues
Okay, I've been checking some pages and I think there's a need to check the names of earlier characters once again:

1 - Karakura High School Students: I brought up this earlier but it seems to have been forgotten. Here's the link to the raws of chapter 35: http://postimg.org/image/dpzjuscwr/ The following characters are already on the page, but the kanji is missing. I went ahead and tried to decipher the kanji for them (ATTENTION! MY JAPANESE IS PRETTY LIMITED): - Satoshi Terasawa actually seems to be Kei Terasawa (寺澤 敬, Terasawa Kei); - Shouko Kusama actually seems to be Emiko Kusama (草間笑子, Kusama Emiko); - Jinpei Nagase appears be (永瀬仁平, Nagase Jinpei); Then I tried to check the characters of the second page in the link to add to the wiki page, but again my japanese is quite weak so they could be wrong. I'll add their number rank so it's easier for you to follow: - 12 - Takeshi Nakahira (中平 猛, Nakahira Takeshi); - 13 - Mari Tachibana (橘 まり, Tachibana Mari); - 14 - Victoria Hitomi Odagiri (小田桐 ヴィクトリア 瞳, Odagiri Vikutoria Hitomi); - 29 - Hiroyoshi Katō (加藤 広義, Katō Hiroyoshi); - 30 - Kenkichi Shibasaki (柴崎 賢吉, Shibasaki Kenkichi); - 49 - Satoru Kudō (工藤 悟, Kudō Satoru); - 50 - Katsuhiko Hino (日野 勝彦, Hino Katsuhiko); I hope this helps the Translation Corner crew. I don't want to make any edits without you checking this first.

2 - Karin Kurosaki's Friends: None of them have kanji, so I went to check the raws of Chapter 38 (or 39, not sure right now..) and here it is the link: http://postimg.org/image/neoalrwel/ (Scroll it down, most of the page is blank..), again I tried to check and found some differences: - Ryohei Toba actually seems to be Ryūhei Toba (戸羽 龍平, ​Toba Ryūhei); - Heita Toujoin actually seems to be Heita Tōjōin (東条院 平太, ​Tōjōin Heita) and his nickname Pinta (ピン太) is also missing; - Kei Uehara appears to be (上原 敬, ​Uehara Kei) and his nickname Donny (ドニー, Donī) is also missing the kanji; - Kazuya Usaka appears to be (宇坂 和哉, ​Usaka Kazuya); Again I'll leave this for you to confirm before I do any changes.

3 - Midori Tōno: This one is interesting... The page gives (遠野翠子, Tōno Midori) as the kanji, but for all I know 翠子 means "Midoriko", which is what Karin always calls her. Midori Tōno would be "遠野翠". I went to check the manga and in both her appearances she's only referred as Midoriko, so her full name must come from the databook. Can someone check it? Is she Midori Tōno (遠野翠, Tōno Midori) or Midoriko Tōno (遠野翠子, Tōno Midoriko)??

4 - Hashigami, Ino, Kaneda: I'm pretty sure of these, but nonetheless here's the link to the raw of chapter 16: http://postimg.org/image/5it6lhu8r/ On the teacher's top panel she says her names: - Hashigami appears to be Hashigami (橋上); - Kaneda appears to be Kaneda (金田); - Ino appears to be Ino (伊野); Please confirm those as well.

I guess that's all I have for now. I know they're all very very minor characters, but their info should be the most complete possible in my opinion. Thanks in advance and I hope my translations make it easier for you guys. Kyoraku08 (talk) 17:03, March 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * 1 - I guess we can't say for sure how these names are intended to be read as there's no furigana. For example, 敬 may be Aki, Kei, Keiji, Satoshi, Takashi, Hiroshi, Megu or Yuki and 寺澤 may be Terasawa or Terazawa. All names you put here seem to be right but most of them have several different readings.


 * 2 - Ryohei -- the same: 龍平 is Ryūhei/Riyūhei/Ryōhei.


 * 3 - Yes, her name is Midoriko. As far as I remember Yuzu calls her Midori(-chan), probably that's why her name was mistaken.


 * 4 - That's right. 21:25, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, thanks a lot! That's really interesting how a single character can be one of a dozen possible names! Man it makes me want to learn japanese properly even more...

So I'll go ahead and take care of issues #3 and #4... as for issues #1 and #2, are the kanji correctly transcripted? If yes, I'll go and add them to the respective characters and leave the romanized names as they are. Kyoraku08 (talk) 23:35, March 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * I didn't spot any mistakes. By the way, I found Victoria in the first popularity poll results. Her name indeed reads as Odagiri Vikutoria Hitomi. 00:16, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

The Fear
Okay, so the raws for 566 and 567 are out now, and I've noticed something odd. As Nodt's epithet does certainly seem to be "The Fear", but unlike every Sternritter epithet before it, there seems to be a distinct lack of Katakana. As seen here in 566 and here in 567, the Kanji being used seems to be "恐怖", but on the side, instead of the expected Katakana reading something along the lines of "ザ・フィア", there is only Hiragana reading "きょうふ"/Kyōfu. I've flipped through the raw of both chapters, but I'm not seeing anything resembling a Katakana equivalent. It seems odd to me that Kubo would "forget" something like that for two chapters in a row. But anyway, would it even make sense to jump the gun like was already done here and add the Katakana, or should I go ahead and remove that?
 * It was never stated that kata of Äs' epithet was "ザ・フィア" (Za Fia). Someone put this on his page, because thought that Kubo would give him said form of epithet anyway like to other Sternritters, but was mistaken. Hiragana looks okay. I suggest also to change a Japanese translation of "恐怖" (Kyōfu) (on Äs' page) from Terror to just Fear, as it would be more literal translation of his ability. Mad6 (talk) 12:42, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

Äs Nödt's Vollständig Name
I've seen a number of different rendering across the various translators, but we don't have anything concrete. (Many of them render it as two words, when it should be one?) Also, do the underlying kanji match what we have for the other Vollständig? Mohrpheus  (Talk)  18:38, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n301/ShadeofDemon/Tatarforas_zps567206ec.png

神の怯え (Kami no Obie), タタルフォラス (Tataru Forasu). The first part - 怯え (Obie) translates as "for being startled, surprised or afraid;  panic;  trepidation". I dunno what references Kubo made, but for me it would be a reference to a Tartar in Greek Mythology, which is a underworld and some sort of their 'hell'. Foras word comes from Ars Goetia known as Lemegeton or Lesser Key of Salomon and is name of President Foras which rules over twenty-nine legions of demons. Mad6 (talk) 22:48, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Just some additional inquiries regarding this: 1) So would it translate as "Trepidation of God"? 2) Since there is no interpunct in the kana, would it just be "Tatarforas"? Mohrpheus   (Talk)  16:40, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * I would say 'Afraid of God' would be better because of As' fear and respect of 'Yhwach'. It could be together without space or separated, for me both versions are ok. But nonetheless I prefer to wait with changes to see Adam's statement about it, because He has more knowledge about grammar and lexical terms and translation. But for now I would leave this together, If something's going to change, it will just be changed anyway. Mad6 (talk) 12:16, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

Vol 62 Poem
Could we get a translation of this please, thanks 12:25, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * "己の生に, 抗い続ける, 己の心に, 牙ある限り" "Onore no Sei ni, Aragai tsuzukeru, Onore no Kokoro ni, Kiba aru Kagiri". "His life, Will continue to oppose, His heart, is full of fangs". Mad6 (talk) 15:56, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Sange
I have doubts as to meaning "Grant a Glorious Death", mainly because it's only two kanji and neither of them mean "Grant", "Glorious", or "Death", at least not according to tangorin. However, the kanji do seem to form something along the lines of "Scattering Flower(s)" (at least based on the style of the technique), so I'd appreciate it if someone could take a second look at this.--Xilinoc (talk) 19:02, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think the can also mean "Falling as flowers do" according to Lord Tangorin. I would prefer to change translation to "Falling like a Flowers" to give more literal translation of Kenzaki's Benishidare technique. Mad6 (talk) 14:50, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Like Xilinoc said, sange (散華) more lit. means "scattering flower(s)" or "flower(s) scatter", and is also used, figuratively, for "die/dying a glorious death", like the elegance of flower petals felled or blown away. "Falling ~" would be less accurate, though. Adam Restling (talk) 11:33, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Vanishing Slider
So the raw for 572 is out, and I've found the page that Guenael mentioned his Vanishing Slider technique on. It seems the technique itself has underlying kanji, though I have a feeling they mean something quite similar to the katakana...anyway, this is the page. I'd appreciate it if someone could provide a translation for the kanji, as well as the kanji and kana in typed form so they can be put on the page. Thanks in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 00:57, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * The kata of his technique is バニシング・スライダー (Banishingu Suraidā) trasnlating as just Vanishing Slide. Kanji is 消尽滑体 (Shōjin Katsutai/Kotsutai) literally meaning Vanishing Body Slide.

Shinten
Turns out we never got a confirmed translation for the knockout liquid Izuru uses on Yumichika in chapter 326. It's called Shinten, and the kanji can be found here, in the third panel where Izuru is describing it. The Ju-Ni translator rendered it as "Drill Point", but I'd like some confirmation on that, so if someone could post a rendering along with the kanji so it can be added, that'd be great. Thanks in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 01:05, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * The Kanji is "穿点" (Senten) not shinten. "穿" (Sen) translates as dig, pierce and drill, and "点" (Ten) translates as spot, point, mark. The whole translates as Piercing/Drill Point. Mad6 (talk) 22:04, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

Pero
We never did get the kana for Pero's name, so if someone could find it here (last panel, Orihime's text bubble), I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 01:05, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's just "ペロ" (Pero). Mad6 (talk) 22:11, March 21, 2014 (UTC)