Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner/Archive 6

Sanskrit Translation
"In Vajrayana Buddhism, a Wisdom King (Sanskrit विद्याराज vidyarāja, Chinese Míngwáng 明王, Japanese 明王 myō-ō)"

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_King

Following this shouldn't the english translation "Wisdom King of Black Ropes Divine Punishment" be used, instead of "Vidyaraja of Kalasutra's Divine Punishment" sanskrit with english translation.

In other words right now a japanese translated to sanskrit and english version is being used. But shouldn't we follow other bankai translations to english like these to give some examples:  Jakuhō Raikōben (雀蜂雷公鞭, Hornet Thunder Whip)  Kamishini no Yari (神殺鎗, God-Killing Spear)  Senbonzakura Kageyoshi (千本桜景厳, Vibrant Display of a Thousand Cherry Blossoms)  Daiguren Hyōrinmaru (大紅蓮 氷輪丸, "Grand Crimson Lotus Ice Ring"; Viz "Great Roaring Coldly Shining Moon")  Konjiki Ashisogi Jizō (金色疋殺地蔵, Golden Leg-Cutting Jizō)

I think it would be better to follow the other translations for consistency and use the english one. Xcetron (talk) 06:35, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

That is the way the translation was done the way it is because thats the direct translation from are own translator. Its neither an option nor necessary to go around changing everything to the most basic translation. The translation here unlike the others is a direct translation that goes from japanese to sanskrit in some areas. We arent making translations of translations here. Everything even in English is rooted in Japanese or chinese or buddhist folklore or language. Plain and simple its not necessary.--Salubri (Talk)  14:51, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

That's negating the translation when it wasn't supposed to be like that in the first place and follow other captains bankais translations. I'll point out some things:

>That is the way the translation was done the way it is because thats the direct translation from are own translator.

Here you say it is that way because it was a translation of your own translator, but not because it is correct which should be the logical answer.

>Its neither an option nor necessary to go around changing everything to the most basic translation.

Here you say is not an option or not necessary, yet the evidence is staggering, captains bankais are all translated from japanese to english, but komamura's is not.

>The translation here unlike the others is a direct translation that goes from japanese to sanskrit in some areas. We arent making translations of translations here.

Here you say we aren't making translations of translations, which is a logical fallacy for a very important reason, it should have been a japanese to english like the other bankais, but it wasn't. And then, you point out something that should have followed other bankais translations, to negate a translation like the other captains bankais.

>Everything even in English is rooted in Japanese or chinese or buddhist folklore or language.

English is rooted in many, many things, not just japanese, chinese and buddhist.

>Plain and simple its not necessary.

Finally here you say is not necessary, yet as I have said before the evidence is staggering, all captains bankais are fully translated from japanese to english but komamura's is not.

I think we should follow consistency in bankais and don't left out komamura's bankai translation from japanese to english, is illogical to say "not making translations of translations" when not only the change would add consistency since the other bankais are translated from japanese to english, but most importanly, when it wasn't supposed to be translated like that in the first place since as I said all bankais are translated from japanese to english but not komamura's bankai. Xcetron (talk) 10:32, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Your not getting the point so Ill make it very simple. Whats a logical fallacy is that your apparently under the idea that all translations are equal in the regard of the translation like Viz Media does them or some other site does them. The basic concept on this wiki is the actual translation which attained by actually translating the information. In light of that What was being said about English was that the translations are about something either from Japanese, Buddhist or Asian folklore and thus there meaning is lost the more you go into English. This happens more so for for Komamura's bankai then most others. Also Each translation is besides the way it is organized romanji, kanji, english set up unique into itself and not meant to be done according to the way some other article is done. If something is translated and goes from japanese to english easy then fine thats what it is. If something is translated and goes from japanese to sanskrit then fine. Look it up and learn something more instead of the base dumb down version that has no meaning for a speaker of English. Learn what Kalasutra means or Vidyaraja means. This is a English based site but Japanese or true meaning translations are still dominate as can be seen throughout the site. Why because the roots of whats done here is important to the content. Your idea that its not consistent or wasnt ever supposed to be done like that is an opinion. It is very presumptuous to come here and tell people who have worked hard they are doing something wrong and how something should be done, when you yourself dont seem to know. If none of what has been explained is acceptable for you then this may not be the site for you. --Salubri (Talk)  13:29, July 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * If a technique name references a known figure of mythology or folklore, I would use that form in the English gloss. Thus, I translate Kokujou Tengen Myouou as "Vidyaraja of Kalasutra's Divine Punishment" because Kokujou/Kalasutra and myouou/vidyaraja are established borrowed terms. The same thing with Tousen's Bankai, Enmakoorogi "Yama cricket", wherein Enma references Yama, ruler of the underworld.


 * The difference in most of the above Bankai you name is that, at least as far as my knowledge goes, they don't cite the same kind of established, distinct figures, but rather creations of Kubo, e.g. Jakuhou is not some distinct figure being referenced, but merely the alternate, Sino-Japanese reading of the Kanji for suzumebachi, and likewise kami and yari are the reverse, native Japanese readings of the Kanji for Sino-Japanese shin and sou (although *I* would've translated (Konjiki) Ashisogi Jizou as "(gold) leg-cutting Ksitigarbha", as Jizou and its fellow, Mandarin borrowing Dizang reference and are translations of this person and his name. If there are any deeper meanings to the words and names from more esoteric Japanese etc. folklore/myth that I've missed, please tell me: I always strive for the most complete, accurate, yet accessible renderings I can.


 * Like Salubri said: if the nuance and reference is lacking with a fully-English translation like, for the above, simply "black rope heaven punishment illumined king"--which makes no mention of the mytho-historic richness of the words--it's better to use a gloss that gives the user this richer data, if richer data is to be had. Adam Restling (talk) 05:39, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

I think your answers are fair enough. Very well then, I would ask you one thing if you please. Could you archive this thread for further checking if in any case I came to research more on the subject? Thanks in advance. Xcetron (talk) 09:51, August 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think one of the admins or such will archive this once this current version of this page reaches a certain length. Hopefully, anyone who has further questions or insight will be able to easily find their way here to post :). Adam Restling (talk) 02:43, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the consideration. Xcetron (talk) 22:02, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Águila's Release Command
I think that "Scalp" is wrong here, which means removing the scalp, and that its English dub command is more accurate (頂を削れ). Mad Rest 18:37, August 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, the phrase apparently means "Shave off the top of the head," so translating it as "scalp" isn't necessarily wrong... --Reikson (talk) 19:17, August 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I guess, then, the decision is whether to keep it as simply "scalp", or to render it in a fuller, more lit. as "shave off/shear the crown/scalp". It makes me laugh, though, to think of ADR English dubbers having to cover all the syllables of itadaki wo kezure with something like "ScaaaAAaaaAAAllpp!" XD. Adam Restling (talk) 04:49, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yushima Kanji clarification
Just recently, in Episode 337 Yushima's full name was revealed as "Ōko Yushima". The Kanji someone put there is this: 湯島 桜花. If written correctly, it should read "Yushima Ōko", but I'm not sure if this kanji correct, because the above shot of Yushima's records in the 10th Division shows something different, and I think the larger kanji symbols are for his name. Can you guys clarify this for me please? Thanks in advance. Arrancar109 (Talk)  23:55, August 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Assuming that the tiny kanji, directly above the big kanji taking up most of the picture, is 名前, meaning name, then the big kanji directly beneath it would be the kanji making up the dude's name.
 * Plus, you know Japanese writing conventions; up to down, and when it comes to names, it's always family name first. The katakana to the left of the big kanji reads ユシマ オウコ, or Yushima Ōko, so I'm pretty sure that the Anglicization (so to speak) would read "Ōko Yushima." --Reikson (talk) 01:16, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Reikson is right re: the common Japanese way of writing top to bottom, left to right, and them almost always (esp. with native names) writing said names in the order "family name - personal name".


 * Yes, it seems the Kanji for his name as they are in his article-at-present are completely wrong: from the pic, they're rendered 由嶌欧許 Yushima Ōko ("Ōko Yushima" in Western name order), not 湯島桜花 (although the Kanji 嶌 used seems to be an older/rarer form of 島, at least).


 * As to how this much error in Kanji occurred, it seems most likely that whoever furnished 湯島桜花 went on a "sound-alike hunt", typing in the Rōmaji "yu", "shima", and "ōko" to see what came up. We're lucky, in this case, that the show eventually gave us the Kanji, since normally non-canon, anime-only characters and terms remain uncertain (excluding the odd Japanese Wiki or such reference) precisely because they're anime-only and, thus, have no appearances in the raw manga from which we could normally take the information. :) Adam Restling (talk) 19:29, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Volume 50 Poem
Could anyone help me translate this please?

From Ichimaru-TsangHay Jing Tsang (talk) 15:13, June 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * This is a link to one person's translation. I decided to investigate it for myself too, though.


 * My version:


 * "Time always goading from behind,


 * raising a growl before one's eyes, is wholly washed away.


 * Let halt your steps!


 * Time shall wash you away to the beautiful past, and how it shall pare the fangs.


 * Don't look ahead!


 * Your hope approaches to the rear


 * only within a dark, turbid stream."

For further data on my translation, as well as background to help enrich your own conclusions, see here. Adam Restling (talk) 06:28, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Bleach Bleach Official Character Book 2 MASKED Poem
Could anyone help me translate this please? From Ichimaru-TsangHay Jing Tsang (talk) 14:52, June 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * "The things hidden are


 * weakness and truth.


 * The thing lost is


 * eternal rest."

Adam Restling (talk) 07:04, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Adam. 11:17, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Senjū Kōten Taihō
A user placed the below as the kanji and romaji for Senju Koten Taiho's incantation. Can we have a confirmation?--

"(千手の涯, 届かざる闇の御手, 映らざる天の射手! 光を落とす道, 火種を煽る風! 集い手惑うな, 我が指を見よ! 光弾・八身・九条・天経・症宝・大輪・灰色の砲塔! 弓引く彼方, 皎皎どして消ゆ!, Senjuu no hate, todokazaru yami no mite, utsurazaru ten no ite! Hikari wo otozu michi, hidane wo aoru kaze! Tsudoi temadou na, waga yubi wo miyo! Koudan, hasshin, kujou, tenkei, shippou, dairin, haiironohoutou! Yumihiku kanata, koukou toshite kiyu!) "


 * Sounds all well and good... --Reikson (talk) 00:28, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Technique Names
I was holding off posting this so as not to flood the corner with too much stuff, but I'm posting it now so I don't forget about it altogether. Apologies for the deluge. In the "Special Program" section of UNMASKED, there are a number of pages listing technique names dating back to the start of the story (pictures 5-12 above). Take your time with this. There's a lot of stuff there, so no rush. 10:22, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I showed spanish speaking friend a scan of the first page from picture 5 from unmasked. She translated palma plancha as "iron palm", hierro virgen as "iron virgin", jaula tentaculo as "tentacle cage", la helice as "the propeller" she didn't feel comfortable giving a translation for lanza tentaculo, and lengua tronco. Likely because we'd started doing shots by then.Licourtrix (talk) 11:20, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Can someone confirm these? Mad Rest 11:19, July 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll try to confirm these--and seek out *dem* precious underlying Kanji for the techniques--very soon. My summer vacation is almost here :) :) :) !


 * And you're almost surely right in your suggestions re: some of the romanizations, e.g. how der should prob. be del... of course, most of these compounds are grammatically incorrect as Kubo usu. is... this also, I believe, happened in MASKED when Zommari's technique was romanized Amore (Italian for "love") rather than Amor (the Spanish form).


 * P.S. Hope you don't mind, but I removed some of the massive blank space between the above post's two paragraphs, since the list of names is already pretty long. :) Adam Restling (talk) 11:34, July 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * First lot of work is here. Adam Restling (talk) 21:28, July 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Finished (though could require further revision, or enhancement with links etc. in the future) work through "Techniques 8" is now here. Adam Restling (talk) 04:53, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Bringer Light translation
Excuse me, but I was reading the Fullbring Article, I cannot seem to find the kanji or katakana for Bringer Light, and if I were to get it wrong, it would be undone. What did the raw manga call "Bringer Light" accurately? Dekoshu talk contrib 03:15, July 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * In case anyone was still wondering/had missed it, someone has added these to the page now. Adam Restling (talk) 23:22, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ulquiorra's Past & Harribel's Fate
Okay, here's what she gave me for Ulquiorra. The -- indicate seperate panels

The one about Harribel is significantly longer so she's giving that to me tommorrow.

Here are the translations for Harribel's story. She said it would take her a while to give me exact page by page translations because of all the Bleach words that are used in Kanji, but she'd give me the most important things from the translation today.

That's what she gave me so far.

Note: In the Harribel section, Raikoben forgot to copy my link. "His name is Kukkapūro (クッカプーロ）"; "His" refers to Him. JapaneseOPfan  :: Talk    04:19, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Shunsui Kyōraku - Takaoni
I have no Idea where this will end up as I am new but anyway,

Basically I have noticed that the page on Shunsui Kyouraku has his technique Takaoni down as meaning Mountain Demon, however I'm pretty sure Taka means hawk- The kanji used on the page " 嶄鬼 " read in japanese as Sanoni. San being mountain. But we know that the actual technique is called TAKAoni.

Hawk = Taka = 鷹

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks


 * The Kanji (according to the Japanese Wiki, too) are 嶄鬼, which would prob. be better translated (thinking on it) as "high/height oni/demon"; while 嶄 generally means "steep (mountain)", it's also sometimes used as a synonym for taka(i) "high". Since Kubo uses the reading taka in Takaoni, rather than the more usu. zan/san, the intended meaning of "high/height" seems even more likely (not to mention that victory in its "game" involves being the one in the highest place or whatever).


 * On the taka as in "hawk" (鷹) point, you must take great care with sound-alikes in Japanese, esp. with someone who likes to use special readings and associations, as does Kubo. The plethora of homophones is one reason why efforts to abandon use of the complex Kanji are stymied: too many words sound alike to abandon the ideograms/logograms whose written shapes differentiate them. Adam Restling (talk) 04:46, August 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for clearing this up. I had presumed it might be a synonym. Whether it's relevant or not I kind of like the idea of the "Hawk demon" due to the fact that hawks ( more speecifically falcons) fly extremely high up. The way we saw Captain Kyouraku execute the move appears to me like a falcon preparing for a dive. I love languages and am glad that I got a valid response. I learned something. My computer cannot read symbols properly, so I take it the kanji are drastically different. This is a mistake on my behalf. If there is anything I can do on the wiki, just let me know. Anaserfrdrews (talk) 23:42, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Harribel's Fate Translated FULL
Sorry for the delay; had personal problems. I finally got a full day open today, and got a chance to finish this so here it is.

That's all I've got for now. If you find any errors, I apologize; I was in a hurry and didn't really get a chance to check my work over. JapaneseOPfan <font color="#FFFFFF"> :: <font color="#109DE3"> Talk  <font color="#FFFFFF">  03:01, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sure I don't speak alone when I say thanks for all your efforts :). Adam Restling (talk) 00:42, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Hadou #88

 * Shouldn't it be Hiryūgekizokushintenraihō, not Hiryugekizokushintenraiho, because that is the current title on its page and the Kidou list.
 * Master D (talk) 18:02, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * MadRest has also cited this recently, but you're both correct: it should have those long vowels. Adam Restling (talk) 02:52, August 8, 2011 (UTC)