Forum:Bleach fade to black

Bleach fade to black is aviablable on anivide raw. is there anywhere else that it is avaliable subbed???

As soon as they get a hold of it, Dattebayo will sub it. Arrancar109 02:43, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Merged Topics
The following topics have been merged into this topic to reduce the number of similar forums on the Watercooler. --Yyp 14:06, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Confusion: The Ofiicial Names of teh Two Silbings in Fade To Black
Bluntly put, who's who? While watching the raw, I distinctly heard the sister being named "Homura" and the brother, "Shizuku"; hell, as far as I've been able to tell, they even called each other Shizuku (brother) and Homura (sister); either that, or they just said their own names out of joy from actually being named; but on their wiki pages, the names are somewhat reversed, with "Homari" being the brother's name. Either way, though, while I'll be fine with the overall result (since to me, the names are somewhat interchangeable in a way), I'm still a little confused here, and would appreciate it if we get their official names soon. Krone8.

Bleach. Fade to Black plot
Ok, i'm not the first to admit this kind of stuff, but the plot to fade to black really had me confused. I don't think anybody told us what that lantern like thing was from the beginning that they stole from the 12th captain. What was all that foam hollow stuff, and where did that massive hollow come from. i get that the siblings used that small hollow to erase memory and stuff, but the massive one was just confusing. Please someone fill me in.

Yeah I'm with you guy. In Classic Dragonball Z movie fashion.. Fade to Black made absolutely no sense. And Yes they never once described what the Hell that flower "Device" was in the Tower that those two "Dead Souls" somehow used to mastermind their plan. Sometimes I wish they would just make anime movies outside of story lines and say, "Hey fans, here's a cool movie with some made up fight scenes! Enjoy!!". That at least would make some sense.Hollowmajinbuu1 06:13, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

One of the reasons I haven't been able to bring myself to watch the movie from start to finish. I just skipped ahead and watched the fight scenes. I mean hey! That's what the movie is about isn't it? Eye candy. Tinni 07:59, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

I glad to see see I'm not the only one to think Fade to Black was less than it could of been. I skipped through quite a bit of it because the story was confusing and the art was bad. Great Cthulhu 00:14, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Did you see the movie when it was translated by Dattebayo? They explain some (key word there) of the confusing stuff better, and I'm almost positive the dub'll do the same, as they did with DiamondDust, more specifically, they changed that "only those with bankai can break the Oin" detail to "only those with bankai can actually control the Oin's power; those with shikai will subsequently lose control altogether, ultimately causing Armageddon". Krone8


 * Ok, I didn't watch the movie from the start to finish because I didn't think the plot was worth the effort. The original poster, who was the person confused, probably did watch the movie start to finish. Just wanted to clarify that. Tinni 23:43, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

And ultimately escalated to a "I didn't like the movie because..." thread. Uranak7

Well, even tho it was explained who they were and what happened to them in the end, the movie itself was pretty confusing til Ichigo defeated posessed Rukia. That's it. And I think the first, and especially the second movie had better plots and more interesting fights. Sure, we got to see Urahara in the front lines for a change but the siblings whining the whole movie pretty much killed it for me.. Deimonos 22:21, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

I didn't mind the male twin. it was the woman that pissed me off. The only good parts were the opening with Mayuri going (more) bonkers, Yama-jii approaching Ichigo after Renji rescues him from Hitsugaya, and when the Captains assemble against glob-man. Shunsui and Jūshirō in particular. They always make me feel fuzzy when they do stuff. Which regrettably is not often at all. One eye 22:41, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Still, though, ya can't really blame the siblings "whining", now can ya? Seeing as how they died while they were still kids. Krone8

Not just that, man.. I mean, they came back, erased her memory and were trying to pretend everything was ok, let's play brother and sister.. In my opinion, a movie to be considered great and not just some fancy 1 hour and a half "pimped" episode gotta have a lot more than that. Like, I only enjoyed the first Naruto movie, the only one Sasuke appeared as a team 7 member. The rest were poor written except for the first Shippuden one, that one was ok. If the movie is focused on the main series' protagonist in the same way it usually goes in the on going manga/anime, it's plain boring unless you have a pretty good story and great supporting characters, may them be the series ones or movies only.. the second Bleach movie did good because not only one of the most popular characters was the protagonist but because they didn't force Ichigo to be the almighty savior... again.. Deimonos 23:39, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

The whole "almighty savior" thing is pretty much what every single protagonist is expected to be/end up becoming/emphasized/etc, so it should come as no surprise to anyone when Ichigo was the "savior" in this film too, and the only reason why DiamondDust did good was mainly (key word there too) cause of the fact that Hitsugaya's one of the most popular characters (I.E. his fangirls), despite the actual movie being pretty damn good in it's own right. Although, you can pretty much say the same for Rukia and IchiRuki fans and Fade to Black too. Krone8

Well I think if you are a Ichigo x Rukia fan the third movie may well be on your favourites list. I personally am not a Ichigo x Rukia fan and this movie like all the other movies and fillers piss me off because they make Ichigo a "hero" at the expense of the Gotei 13. This is just bad writing from the studio writers IMO and most of the dialogues make me/always have made me cringe. Even the latest filler arc, which is by far the best filler arc to date, has whole episodes that I pretty much have to force myself to watch. But at least the current filler arc happens to have an interesting enough plot that forcing myself to watch it does yield some rewards. The movie... not so much. Tinni 23:43, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

....which is mostly cause your a shinigami fangirl, so your kinda biased there. Krone8


 * Not denying I am a shinigami fangirl but I honestly feel I would much prefer a movie just about Ichigo and his immediate group of friends, leaving Soul Society and the greater part of the Gotei 13 out of the proceedings entirely. But it's usually the other way around. It's Ichigo + the shinigami and that's just way too many characters for them to handle properly. Don't get me wrong, it makes for nice battle scenes but the plot and dialogues... yeah... no thank you. Tinni 01:50, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Again, it's mostly cause your a shinigami fangirl, so your kinda biased there. Krone8

All of this talking and no one has actually answered the question yet. We're not suppose to be ragging on the movie, but trying to figure out what happen in it.


 * Isn't that ragging on the movie? I mean, I don't think this was suppose to be a mysterious/psychological movie that is full of flashbacks, dream sequences and non-linear storytelling that pretty much designed to force you to sit down and really think about what was going on and stuff. The fact that it left you so confused is probably the biggest sign that this movie was a special kind of terrible. Maybe even Sealed Sword Frenzy terrible (if you love Bleach you will never, ever, ever see Sealed Sword Fenzy)! But I guess if Kubo is happy just cashing his check and letting them release this crap, we can't really complain too much. Tinni 01:50, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

I pretty much answered it as best as I could with my first post, so there. krone8

Calling someone a fangirl doesn't count as an argument. Tinni specifically stated what (s)he(?) wants out of a film, and there was no hint of fangirlism, so I don't understand what you are critiscising. As for the plot, it was a bit haggard I thought, several things were left unexplained and there wasn't enough awesome fights to make up for the lack of good story. But hey, it was watchable and I'll certainly be going back to it soon. BollyW 06:25, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Well, everybody's got their own opinions and some people think a pimped 1 hour and half episode is enough to make a good movie. Others think you need to do better and sometimes changing the main protagonist and/or not making a confusing plot is the way to go.. Anyways, as the series progresses and Ichigo gets stronger, his high school buds are left behind simply becaise they can't keep up with him and would end up being a hindrance to the story.. like Kuwabara stayed in the human world when Urameshi awakened his dark side and went to the demon world alongside Kurama and the 3 eyed guy.. Deimonos 25:34, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Notice how Ichigo's high school friends where the only people with him during all his recent battles. In fact, Ishida at least is probably stronger then most of the Shinigami Vice-captains including Renji and is probably stronger then Ikkaku despite the latter's bankai. Chad is also stronger then Rukia and probably at par with Renji given Chad could hold is own against Renji's bankai. Just because Rukia managed to defeat espada no. 9 with that third dance trick she get's seriously overestimated. I would like to see her survived the strike from Nnoitra that Chad survived. Orihime might not be a fighter but her powers are god like and if someone took control of her and suppressed her sympathetic personality and really made her go nuts... can you even imagine the devastation? Now there's a movie storyline for you! Anyway, my point is Ichigo's friends are not weak, in fact they are a lot stronger then people give them credit for. There is absolutely NO reason why they would be an hindrance to Ichigo and if they are a hindrance so are Rukia and Renji, not to mention anyone below captain level. In fact, manga says they are not a hindrance and are still able to go to places like Heuco Mundo with Ichigo. Tinni 16:10, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, good one Tinni. But I was talking more about the main fights when the big dogs (aka captains) usually take over. They are skilled, I'll give them that but there's only so much they can do when the power level goes from fraccion to arrancars. But anyways, I'd really like to see a movie where all the human characters were the main focus in the story but I guess Renji or someone else will be the main character in the next movie.. I think.. Deimonos 20:52, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Byakuya's New Move??? (Fade to Black)
Yo so it seems like Byakuya has a new move that wasnt recorded? Right before he intruppted Ichigos fight with Dark Rukia he appears to jump into "Senbonzakura" and disappear, almost portal like??? anybody has any commnets on this

According to things I have been reading the movies are considered Canon(Not directly related to the Anime). In this case Tite Kubo has considered to the movie to be. Until somebody says otherwise we can't just ad it to his ability list. Minato88 20:56, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Sure you can. Don't Bleach characters get video game abilities added to their lists? Perhaps in a subsection. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 00:49, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

NO they don't! Only abilities that have been shown in the manga are added to their profile's moves section. A general description of moves that appear in other media may be added to the other media section but that's about it. I repeat, profiles are based off the manga with only some information coming from the supplementary sources such as the databooks and volume sketches which are supplimentary sources for the manga. The whole Kyoraku having wind based moves in the games but his abilities having nothing do with wind in the manga should tell you that information from other media cannot be considered "canon".
 * Kubo does write special story's and design characters for other media. He wrote the story for the game Bleach: Dark Souls and I believe he had some significant input on the Story of Fade to Black but how much is unknown. Did he write the entire script? All the scenes? Or did he give just general input? We don't know but whichever way, unless he decides to include an element introduced in the movie in the manga, it will not appear in the profiles. Tinni 01:26, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Not sure whether you would consider it filled in with the main story (canon) but here is a link I found to the 3rd movies credits which have Kubo as a Planner which not sure what that means in Japan, but they also show his name in the other 2 movies credits and apparently not the same role in the movies. Not sure if these are accurate as they are in japanese and i dont read it but here is some information on it

I am probably just hammering home the point unnecessarily here but let me once again make it clear. Movies, Fillers, games are all "other verses". They are not the manga verse. Heck even the anime is another verse if only because they don't stick strictly to the manga. The profiles are based on the manga verse mainly because that's the only verse under Kubo's full control. Yes Kubo does get involved with the other projects, sometimes more and sometimes less but we have no way of knowing his exact level of involvement AND even then we don't know his intention. IF he decides to bring an element introduced in another verse into the manga verse, we'll put it in the profile but if he doesn't, then its something only applicable to that verse. So NO please don't add moves you only saw in the movie in the moves list of Byakuya or any other characters. Tinni 03:02, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree with Tinni. Although it might be nice to at least have some sort of link between these "offshoots" of the manga and the actual manga itself. Perhaps to include on every page with one a link to a fodder section. I'm not sure classifying movies as "other media" would be the most accurate, unless the anime is grouped in with it (being all sections divergent in any way from the manga). Perhaps it can simply have a link to the movie page, and be under a specific movie powers subheading. Regardless, it would be nice to have some kind of a notice for those editing pages (similar to the spoiler one) to know where to put such unclassified powers unseen in the manga. Balthazar228 04:06, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Urahara's New Move
Since Fade to Black is a canon movie (according to Kubo), we should update this Wiki with his new skill he displayed in the movie. I watched the ASAF subbed version and they called the command/attack "Shred". It's like lots of small red bullets being shot from his blood mist shield.

Provide proof that Kubo said it was canon.Otherwise thats BS.Saimaroimaru 15:50, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Saimaroimaru is right unless there is proof of that can be provided its not to be entered into the article. Seeing as all other movies aren't canon I would say that it's doubtful but I will reserve that judgement until we know for sure. Until then it goes along with all the other information found in movies and video games in the (Appearance in Other Media section).Salubri 16:48, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

I thought something awesome was going to happen when Yamamoto was walking up the steps, just before Urahara turned up, then again when he realesed Ryuujin Jakka. Then, in typical fail-plot fashion, you do not see him again for the rest of the movie. Epic Bleach fail.