Talk:Hōgyoku


 * Considering that the American translation of the Anime uses Hogyoku, what's the point of our using "Orb of Destruction"? No one that I'm aware of calls it the Orb of Destruction, even if it is the official Viz translation. Some pages here use Orb of Destruction (Aizen's page is one off the top of my head), and others use Hogyoku, some consistency would be nice.CorpusDei 14:19, 6 November 2008

Content of Hōgyoku removed
I notice that the content for the Hōgyoku has been removed. Why is it been removed ? I don't understand.

Ichigo kurosaki1979 02:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Ichigo_kurosaki1979


 * Good question. I noticed that the user who removed the content is new, and he/she didn't give any reasons as to why all the content was removed. I put it back up though. Arrancar109 02:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Picture Change?
Well uhh...I found a picture of the Hogyoku and its pretty good, its from TBtP but still, it shows pretty much of it and I can't see that it has changed anything. SHould we change the picture? Flamezthe4 20:53, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I like the one thats already there better. I think its a better pic from a better angle. But i'm all for a newer pic. So if someone likes ur pic better, then a change would be fine with me. Minato (Talk)  21:00, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Well, it is true that the other shows it from a better angle, but that one has poor quality IMO, but yea, let's see what the others think first Flamezthe4 21:02, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

I like this one better, it shows the Hogyoku in action as opposed to the current picture. Perhaps this newer one could become the profile picture while the older one (showing it from a better angle) could be placed somewhere else in the article? Grimmjow2 21:17, December 19, 2009 (UTC) ~ My thought exactly when I found it Flamezthe4 21:22, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Em, it doesn't show it in action. It in action would be it merging with Aizen's fingers when he Arrancarized Wonderweiss. I don't really rate either one of them as significantly better than the other. And there is already a good quality, close up pic of it on the page, as shown above. -- Yyp  (Talk)  21:24, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

I think it should be changed. The other does show a better angle of it, but poor quality. I vote change it, or atleast untill a better one if found.

Well, what should we do then? Ofcourse, if I'm not allowed to change I wont, but do we have a final decision? Flamezthe4 21:30, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I understand, it is true that that picture is more zoomed in and it's incredible quality. Sorry if I bothered u all, just trying to help out as a Wiki member (and a Bleach fan) =P Flamezthe4 21:41, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

No apology needed. You were just trying to help, which is always welcome. -- Yyp  (Talk)  16:39, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Arrancar creation
Do we really have any evidence of Aizen actually using the Hougyoku to create Arrancar other than Wonderweiss Margera? Because the implied period between his defection and the first Arrancar invasion seems too short for his "current" Arrancar army, both Espada and Numeros, to have only been created within that span of time. MarqFJA 20:18, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Shawlong stated that the numeros were born via the Hogyoku and given numbers in order of their birth . So, yeah, according to him they did have it used on them. -- Yyp  (Talk)  21:31, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, let me make sure I got this right: Aizen used the Hōgyoku 80+ times to create the current Numeros, and among them, some qualified for Espada rank, Grimmjow being one of them. If Nnoitra's words are to be taken at face value, however, both he, Nelliel and Szayel Apporo (at the very least) served as Espada long before Aizen's official betrayal of Soul Society, and thus were "naturally-born" Arrancar; even then, Aizen had some way of "giving more power" to Nnoitra (a flashback has him showing gratitude about that "fact"). And Aaroniero himself admits to being the last of the original Espada, implying that the group had existed for possibly as long as Aizen had ruled Las Noches, and that the ranks had changed regularly. Thus, not all of the Espada are Hōgyoku-created, and in fact perhaps only a very few of them are.