Talk:Ulquiorra Cifer

Pronunciation
I was always wondering, how do I pronounce Ulquiorra's name? Is it "Ool-kwi-oh-ra"? Or should I pronounce it similar to the Japanese way, "Ool-ki-oh-ra"? That is, does that "qui" in his name sound like "kwi" or "key"? :(His Wrath falls from the Heavens. :Starshade) 14:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It sould be pronounced ool-kee-or-ah, as "qui" is pronounced "key" in Spanish (like "que" is "kay"). LapisScarab 04:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Not sure if it'll stick in the official dub of the Anime, but in the English Bleach: Shattered Blade game, his name is pronounces as "ool-kwee-or-ah". I'm not sure what they were thinking at the time. They might correct it when the English dub hits the Arrancar arc, but nothing for sure as of yet. Arrancar109 05:46, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you. In that case I should follow the more Spanish pronunciation. :(His Wrath falls from the Heavens. :Starshade) 12:16, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Two assumptions
Under the Segunda Etapa section there are two abilities listed, Overwhelming spirit power and Instantaneous Cero Oscuras, that I think should not be put in. There's no reason the overwhelming spiritual pressure couldn't apply to the first form as well, and the only reason one might think it doesn't is because Uryu said it when he was in second stage. But that's only because Uryu was just arriving, so it's a possibly false assumption to say it's exclusive to Ulquiorra's second form, and shouldn't be listed as such. Also, the Instantaneous Cero osc. is not really valid as a segunda etapa ability, simply because in one panel we see it charging up, and the next shot we see of Ulquiorra and Ichigo, it's been fired. Since they're still images though, that says nothing about how long it takes the move to charge up, so it's unjustified to say it's instantaneous, especially since it's drawn the exact same way (charging up in one panel, firing right after) in ch. 346. That one I'll change on my own, I suppose.

The "Overwhelming Spirit Power" one is quite legit. No sign is given to suggest that his Segunda Etapa is just as powerful as his first form - Uryu only senses it after he transformed. And it wasn't because he was "only just arriving" - he was still making his way up to the top of Las Noches' dome.

I do however, agree with you about the "Instantaneous" Cero Oscuras. I was the one that edited it to its current state, thinking that Ulquiorra had performed it without charging it. Looking back, he did indeed charge it, and nothing in the manga suggests that it was fired any faster than when he used it in his first form. Everything could be simplified as his original powers being greatly enhanced. Mohrpheus 14:49, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Since you put that one there, I'll leave it to you to edit it as you see fit. Xagzan 30 May 2009

Age
In the article it says that Ulquiorra appears to be among the youngest of the espada, but Lilinette has stated to Ukitake that appearance doesn't equate to age in hollows. Seems a little misleading given the new info. Mr Gray 02:38, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. The ages of Arrancar cannot be based on appearence alone, as this case suggests, so telling the youngest from the oldest is a challenge. From what we've seen, it looks like Wonderweiss Margera is the youngest of all the Arrancar, but this again could prove untrue, as the creation of new ones could've occured. So telling the age of an Arrancar could only be decifered if their original Arrancar number (Ex: Shawlong was Arrancar #11) was revealed. Hopefully Tite Kubo will reveal some more of the original numbers so a proper theory can be obtained. HuecoMuffin 20:03, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Quotes
Could someone make a section for his quotes? I would do it myself, but I'm new to this, so I'm asking all you professionals out there for assistance. Thank you.

-It seems to me like there's waaaay too many quotes in that section now- out of context, a lot of them probably don't need to be there. It's like isting every other thing he's said. Gendokihou 12:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. There are WAY too many quotes in the section, some of which are completely insignificant. "Lanza del Relampago," for instance. The quote section should only have quotes that reflect Ulquiorra's personality, such as his opinions regarding the heart. "Long time no see, shinigami" fails in that matter. Mohrpheus 14:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Master Swordsman?
Ichigo has been recently ranked a master swordsman, Ulquiorra outdone him and nearly sliced his head off. Moreover Ulquiorra holds some sort of sword upon releasing using it to easily wreak Ichigo's mask and swinging it proficiently. If we don't consider him a master swordsman given these facts we will have to remove this status from Ichigo aswell. World Master 12:23, 23 March 2009

As for his name, you can pronounce it as you'll-key-aura to be simple about it. I don't think Ulquiorra qualifies as a Master Swordsman. This seems to be something that is being stuck onto every powerful character without any regard for if it is actually true. Think about how Ulquiorra fights, Ichigo himself said that "Its just like hes fighting with his hands, just with more reach". This seems to indicate Ulquiorra is far from a Master swordsmen, even if he is powerful, as he fights the exact same way with his hands as with his sword, relying completely on thrusts and wielding it with only one hand, a manner similar to Zaraki -Who does have the excuse of knowing Kendo and being a truly skilled swordsman, but prefers to hold back- I would go as far as to Say that Ulquiorra's skills with a sword might be Sub par, simply from lack of use. I wouldn't call someone who fought with a sword (A Bladed weapon) the same way as if he was using his hands (A Blunt Weapon) a Master Swordsman. The World Platinum 05:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

It's fairly obvious that Ulquiorra's hands are not blunt force weapons, after all he did pierce Ichigo's chest, also the fact Ichigo claims the sword is just longer reach implies that Ulquiorra is using the weapon as an extention of his body, therefore must be quite skilledArieus 04:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe the idea of him piercing Ichigo's chest relates more to his Super Strength then his mastery of a Bladed weapon. Your fingernails or your extended hand are not piercing weapons, if you hit someone like that, its not magically going to go through their skin, your hand is either going to snap upwards and possibly break, or snap down and your making a half-fist, so why should an Arrancar's fist, which is physically similar to a Human's, be a Piercing Weapon? I don't see Ichigo's comment that it is just longer reach as any basis on calling him a Master Swordsman, It seems to me, that Ichigo was just saying that he is fighting the exact same way as if he didn't even have his sword. The World Platinum 17:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree w/ The World Platinum. Ulquiorra is very strong physically, which covers his attacks using a sword. If anything he is a highly skilled hand-to-hand combatant, only using his zanpakuto when he fights someone particularly strong or dangerous. I think he uses his sword only to block an opponent's sword, because it gives him the chance to fire a cero. Most of his moves only blocked Ichigo's Tensa Zangetsu.--Renji Abarai 19:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Renji makes a good point, Ulquiorra is possibly the strongest Physical person we have seen in the Manga, and even if he isn't the strongest, he is still extremely physicaly strong. This would mean, that he doesn't use his sword a lot, which would mean that his skills would get rusty, because he hasn't been practicing like he should. His use of his sword agianst Ichigo is just about Purely defensive, he relies on it to block Ichigo's sword, but then fires a Cero at him. I believe we should change that particular part of his Powers, either remove it or change it from "Master" to "Skilled". Lately I have noticed that every character who is introduced that is decently powerful has "Master Swordsmen" stuck on his Profile without any evidence for it, which goes agianst the Wiki's purpose of not providing Speculation, but information. The World Platinum 15:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * While Ulquiorra being physically strong is true, we have to remember Yoruichi. Her flashcry is an ability used for hand to hand combat, and seems to be extremely powerful and unstable, and her physical strength is probably greater than Kisuke's, which is pretty strong. She's also quite possible older than Ulquiorra, who is supposedly one of the younger espada. The only reason she was injured by Yammy's skin was because she wasn't expecting his hierro to be that strong, and even so she showed no sign of pain when beating him up. She's also most likely the fastest character in Bleach, even though Ichigo apparently comes fairly close. This makes me wonder though, because when Ulquiorra releases, Ichigo is much slower. If Ichigo's inner hollow doesn't come back to save Ichigo from death, I'm hoping Yoruichi will, because her and Ulquiorra seem pretty similar. --Utae
 * Uh, what does that have to do with Ulquiorra's Swordsmanship skills?The World Platinum 00:24, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree that Ulquiorra seems to rely on his hand-to-hand skills. Sorry for a theoretical, but I'd argue that Ulquiorra isn't used to combat using a sword, since we see no semblance of a sword in his segunda etapa, which could be his original form. This would explain his near exclusive use of his hands during combat. But of course a problem with that is that Aizen would've had to see him in this form to recruit him into the espada, sealing his power within a zanpakuto during shinigamification, and he said it himself that Aizen didn't see that form, but that's a whole 'nother ball game. Mr Gray 02:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Umm... Mr.Gray? When Ulquiorra releases he's able to create swords out of energy. What the hell are you talking about?


 * Note the date I made that post. It was before we saw his lanza del relampago in the manga, and I was speaking of his second form. As new information came out, it's obvious that I had it wrong. Looking back it was a bit boneheaded of me to say, but hey, I was new.Mr Gray 23:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Also I agree with Platinum. Ulquiorra isn't very efficient with swords. He's just outstandingly strong :D FlamingDogs 11:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Ulquiorra might not use his sword that often or even use techniques with his sword but he says he only uses his sword on people he thinks are worthy enough, so that must mean something, and he uses it quite well with just one hand, overall he may not be a master swordsman but he is damn good with a sword. Boogerbaloozoo 9:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Tozase?
If what I know in Japanese is correct, the verb "tozasu" (whose imperative form is "tozase") means "to close" or "to lock" rather than "to bind." Are the scanlations completely reliable? :(His Wrath falls from the Heavens. :Starshade) 16:13, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is that, as far as I looked for, the 3 are available on different spoils/fanscan... :/
 * (?) ...Maybe we should include all three translations keeping Bind as the "official" one but including Close and Lock as "often translated" until the official translation come out Maul day 18:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * According to jisho.org's Japanese dictionary, "tozasu" means shut, close, lock, or fasten. But the kanji used (and given the reading "toza") is normally read as "kusari", or chain in English. So the translation for the command should be "enchain". The only translator of note to read it that way is "cnet" whose translation is available on . Big red01027 04:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Segunda Etapa
Before any one starts with the edits and reverts, it is call segunda etapa not segunda espada as most of you probably saw from the escanlations the kanji for etapa is ェタパ while the one for espada is エスパーダ. Hope this answers any questions anyone may have WhiteStrike 07:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I was searching for the kanji to prove that the correct translation is Etapa, not Espada, (thanks WhiteStrike). Guys, Onemanga doesn't offer us the right translation EVERYTIME, specially when chapters just come out. Don't take for granted that whatever you seen in Onemanga is actually the official translation, the current scanlation is the speed one, that means that some parts could be wrong. Maul day 07:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Ulquiorra's appearance
hey, I'm new here and stuff, but I'd like to point out that during Ulquiorra's second release, or arrancar's version of a bankai (i froget how to spell it), that along with his tear tracks becoming wider, there are two additional lines added on. I noticed this whilst re-reading the manga, and I noticed that along with one of the tear tracks, there was a thinner, smaller, less noticable line running right along side the main one, and this applies for both eyes. If your confused then go look on mangafox (that's where I go to read the new manga) and look at chapter 348, page 10, and you can see it under one of his eyes, but I think there was another panel somewhere, where it showed both eyes...okay, and on pg 11, you get a better look at it. Just pointing this out 'cuz no one seemed to notice.
 * Nice catch, Kendai. In the future make sure to sign your post (just put 4 tildes ~ after your name). Mr Gray 03:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Cifer?
Got this from the most recent Bleach volume. Stats for Ulquiorra. It seems to me that Kubo decided his last name would be spelled Cifer. I would think we should change it to match his desire. http://i39.tinypic.com/25yxgko.jpg RecklessFire 00:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have seen the scans an yes while it has been belived for a long time that his last name was Schiffer (spelling of his name came from the offical site for Bleach: The 3rd Phantom http://bleach.sega.jp/3rd/charactor.html . Grimmjow name that was also released should be changed as well the manga takes presendence and while some people will be confused by the change proper references will be anotated. WhiteStrike 09:54, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

i'd give a reference but i don't know how. that's the english name the author gave him why don't you understand. that's his name why would you want to give false info?--Kisukeiscool100396 15:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

How can that not be enough for you? The author himself spelled it out in clear English in the latest Bleach volume. Why would you doubt series stats/facts from the author himself? What's more is that "Cifer" fits Ulquiorra much better than Schiffer". Look at Ulquiorra's releases...a fallen angel and then a devil. "Lu-CIFER-". Get it? This is no different from everybody thinking Grimmjow's surname was Jaggerjack, when it turned out to be Jaegerjacquez.

He says his name as Schiffer. Aizen says it as Schiffer. It' supposed to be Schiffer. They can say Sch sounds. So change it back.

Lucifer in Japanese is ルシファー Rushifaa. Take away ル ru and you are left with シファー shifaa, which is indeed how Kubo writes Ulquiorra's surname in katakana. I now think the Cifer spelling makes more sense and should be left that way. Rabukurafuto 17:40, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Alright, now that I think about it, "Cifer" does sound pretty good. I'll be taking down my old post about it. -Malzzel 20:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I kind of think "Schiffer" sounds better, not only because of Father Schiffer (you know, the Hiroshima guy?) and "Schiffer" has a good meaning and all. That's just my opinion. --KamekoSuzume 19:52, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think that whether or not a name sounds/looks cool matters here. Like others have said, Ulquiorra's name was written in plain english by the author as "Cifer." I don't see any reason why this is even debate-able. Mohrpheus 19:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

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Voice Actor
I dunno where you got that Steve Blum voices him, considering Ulquiorra is uncredited in the game, but it's obviously NOT Steve Blum. You can hear his voice clearly here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWI-tioMsKs

You can especially tell by his grunts, and his crystal-clear ultimate attack speech. It ain't Blum. Lordshmeckie 01:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

That IS him. D: Listen to Vincent's or Spike Spigel's voice. Kaihedgie 01:35, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, and they're nothing alike. In fact, Ulquiorra's VA seems to be whoever played Noba in the Bount Arc. As for Blum, his voice is actually slightly more nasally than Ulq's (not that Blum has a very nasal speaking voice). Blum acting in the tone of Ulquiorra's speech would sound more like his Jack from MadWorld, which isn't even close to this. Steve Blum isn't the only VA out there who does low-key, stoic roles... The biggest problem with this is that Blum is popular, and known for roles like these. People tend to want it to be Blum, almost pretending it is him.Lordshmeckie 02:40, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Ugh, this crap again. I'm inclined to lean towards it being Blum. I actually do believe that. BUT this is Shattered Blade we're talking about. And as such, it doesn't necessarily mean that whoever played Ulquiorra is gonna reprise the role, Blum or Smith. And I highly doubt it's gonna be Smith, since he did Noba. They'd sound TOO alike. Besides, Smith is Shinji, so I think 1 significant role is enough for him. Either way though, we're gonna wait until Ulquiorra appears in the dub anime before we write down who voices him. Besides, nobody can prove it's Smith (and likely can't prove it to be Blum either). And I don't fully trust Anime News Network (which is one of the prime sources of this speculation), since they've gotten errors in the past. Besides, they also have Scott McNeil as Grimmjow, and McNeil isn't even a part of the same group as Bleach's voice actors. Arrancar109 02:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

well wikipedia says steve blum sometimes uses fake names and roger smith was one of them (here is some proof )--Kisukeiscool100396 01:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Isn't his last name spelled schiffer?
I'm pretty sure his last name is spelled incorrectly on this website. I believe it is schiffer. Can someone check this?
 * His last name was orriginally Schiffer but as of the latest volume Fear for Fight the author speeled it in English as Cifer. Also make sure you sing your comments using ~ . WhiteStrike 00:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

No Blum for the English dub
I'm redirecting this to Forum:Dub voices. This would probably be a good thing to keep in the future, given the numerous roles that'll be coming up. Arrancar109 06:15, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought I read on this wiki that Blum was slated to voice Ulquiorra, but I just saw his intro episode on Adult Swim and it deffinitely wasn't him. And then I read this post. Where did that information come from anyway? Darth Havoc 06:21, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if it said he was slated, but it was a very common belief, since a lot of actors reprise their roles. Granted, it doesn't always happen, but it does sometimes, and a lot of people like Blum enough to embrace that belief. Arrancar109 06:27, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Age: Deceased?
Is there any point in having that on the infobox? Ages have never been mentioned in Bleach, we can only especulate about some shinigamis, but Arrancars are out of the question. Besides, "deceased" is not age, but status. Lia Schiffer 02:57, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Techincally, you're correct. But only one user was filling those boxes as "deceased", and I don't think it goes in the age portion of the infobox. Why he felt the need to do it, I don't know, but I didn't see the point. Arrancar109 03:36, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. I just wasn't sure if I should've deleted it or not. Lia Schiffer 03:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

New main picture?
There are some nice new pictures of Ulquiorra from episodes 215 - 216 I think would be a good replacement for the one up now. I know on some Wikis the main image is something people vote on, so I didn't want to change it without at least asking. --Henhouse 04:10, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There is nothing wrong with the current picture. It shows his Hollow hole, Espada number and upperbody nothing more can be ask from it. WhiteStrike 14:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Henhouse on this issue. I can't quite put my finger on it exactly, but something about this image doesn't seem to fit as well as others. I have no problem with images that reveal this amount of the torso and agree that it demonstrates alot, but I feel that this may be better placed within his appearence while another suitable picture replaces it. I've found numerous HQ images that could take its place but I guess it all comes down to individual opinion in the end. Blackstar1 19:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Wait, why is that the main image for Ulquiorra not only shows half his torso but his Espada tattoo along with it? All of the other Espada have mugshots for main images in their articles which precedes before their Espada tattoo which is usually displayed in the appearance/outline section so why should it be different for Ulquiorra? Kaihedgie 02:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently, changing mugshots with low-quality full body pictures is becoming a trend, even to the point of being unilaterally enforced by the sysops, as was done at Byakuya's article. The Seaweed Ambassador 19:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Past Tense
Ulquiorra is now dead. Here is proof. Shouldn't everything be moved to past tense? SEALBoy 02:16, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * [Out-topic, it's true that he won't come back, it's not a shonen...Oh wait.]

I don't think speculative returns from the dead should be entertained, even if it is a shonen. The fact is that he is CURRENTLY dead, and the article should be changed to reflect this fact. Besides, they say if you don't see a body in shonen, their not dead. While it may be true that there is no body per se in this case, there is a clear picture of this upper torso disintegrating, as well as the characters own admission that he would not survive this. SEALBoy 19:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sir, you surely didn't get the "off topic" thing. Plus, okay, you say he is dead because he turned to ashes, I say that might be some kind of Arrancar stuff, who is right ? We don't know, you're also speculating ;). That wiki is using a kind of "wierd" wikifycation, since we are using present tense instead of past tense.

Uh... no. Any character who is alive by the start of Bleach has his/her profile written in present tense under the Synopsis sections. Only History sections are written in past tense at all, since it happens before the start of the Bleach storyline, even if they die later in the story. Arrancar109 19:45, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

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it never mentions that ulquiorra is the espada of nihilsm

Beta appearance
Thought I should point this out. When Ulquiorra first appeared in the manga, his appearance was slightly different. His mask was a tad bit longer and it was broken, his hair was shorter, the uniform had no black borders and he had thinner eyelashes.

Reference here: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/190/19/ Kaihedgie 02:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Hollow hole movement
Perhaps his hole was moved because of the 'stabbing where the hole is' thing? Coz I don't think Ichigo would have survived being stabbed in the neck, so when Tite thought of it, he moved the hole? Blade Titan X 07:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm trying to replace the info box image. But I don't know how? BTW: Can you tell me how to or could someone else replace it?

This is the pic:

I think so, in the first Ulquiorra's appearance in the anime, his hollow hole is in his neck, but later, it is near his chest.

Trivia
The trivia says that Zommari and Ulquiorra are the only two Espada who have had none of their history revealed, but what history have we seen of Barragan, Harribel, Starrk, Yammy, and Luppi? Unless I'm just drawing a massive blank, I don't think we've been told anything about any of them that can really be constituted as part of their past/history. Twocents 07:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Since no one said anything, I removed it due to its inaccuracy. Twocents 17:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Trivia - Relevance
"His first Resurrección is more humanoid than his second Resurrección."

While technically true, I question its relevance in bothering to list it at all. Could someone please explain to me why it's so important that it's listed separately in the trivia? If not, I think it should probably be removed, since anyone can compare the two pictures shown earlier on the page of his Resurrección and draw that conclusion for themselves. Twocents 22:42, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

As no one disagreed, it has been removed. Twocents 02:22, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Before anbody changes Cuatro to Cuarta
Listen here ---> in this vid he says "Cuatro Espada" so please stop changing it to Cuarta--Kisukeiscool100396 13:27, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Nelliel and Ulquiorra
"It is possible that Ulquiorra has been an Espada, or at least well known, during Nelliel's time as the third Espada, due to the fact that she seemed to remember his name."

Can I get a reference for this, please? I can't seem to locate it in the manga. Furthermore, I've been pondering it, and if the trivia is there simply because she is able to recognize him, then this trivia should be added to Grimmjow's page as well, because she does clearly identify Grimmjow (happens when he brings Orihime to heal Ichigo after Ichigo's battle with Ulquiorra).

Personally, I think it's a little assuming, as it could be argued that just by living in Hueco Mundo, of course she'd be familiar with Aizen and the most famous of his followers - the Espada. When she first meets Ichigo, she knows quite about what the Numeros are (onemanga, chapter 246, page 10) and knows about Lunuganga and his abilities. Twocents 02:22, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

We have to remember that Grimmjow has been confirmed as Arrancar # 12 making him the second oldest known Arrancar. Plus he & Ulquiorra have a serious rivalry with eachother eventhough Ulquiorra is a higher rank then Grimmjow. I would also like to state that Aizen seems to give Ulquiorra many greater responsobilities then the other Espada. So I think its safe to say that Grimmjow & Ulquiorra were both Espada when Nel was. Still all of this can only be assumed since Ulquiorras # & backstory have never been mentioned. Minato88 00:44, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Um, but then, we shouldn't forget that Nel had lost her memories and had no way of remembering Ulquiorra and Grimmjow even if they really were Espada during her time. :Starshade 13:10, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Too much speculation not enough fact. I am removing that trivia. I am actually surprised that trivia lasted so long. Tinni 13:37, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Father Hubert Schiffer
We used to have this trivia about his last name coming from this man that survived the atomic bomb in Hiroshima (Kubo's birthtown), but we erased it when we knew we were wrong about the spelling. Still, it wouldn't be the first time that Kubo changes the spelling to ge the name he likes (Take Nicholas Grimshaw-Grimmjow, or Patricia Urquiola-Ulquiorra). Maybe I'm thinking too much into this, but his last name could be a reference to Father Schiffer, as he survived Hollow Ichigo's massive Cero, that seemed pretty much like a nuclear bomb to me (without the mushroom cloud). I know it's pure speculation, and may not be admissible for the Trivia, I just wanted to know if I'm the only one who thinks like this. Lia Schiffer 02:01, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Cero GIF Glitch
doesn't anyone else notice the what's up with the cero moving picture?--Black Artist 22:23, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed too. Not sure how to fix it... except maybe find a higher-resolution GIF of it that is bigger. Arrancar109 22:30, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Volume 40 Poem
Ummm...excuse me for saying this, since I'm new and all, but why does nothing on his page mention anything about the volume 40 poem? I just feel as if it should be somewhere on his page or something. ^^; If there's a reason, I completely understand. ^^

We don't put anything from the volume poems on any of the articles, since they're typically not written in a way to indicate for certain that Tite is writing about the character. It could just be a poem to go with the theme of the chapters contained in the volume. Especially with this poem, it's not really so specific to Ulquiorra as to make it something that we could add to his article. Twocents 23:18, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Protection
Why is Ulquiorra's page protected? I was just planning to remove the part where it said "In the most recent character popularity poll, he ranked 10th most popular character." at the top of the page as it was already mentioned in the Trivia section and should stay there as every other page is like that. --Gold3263301 02:34, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

The page is in the middle of extensive maintenance and updating. Thank you for being patient. Twocents 02:37, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

I see... Well, thank you for making the edit I was gonna make lol. --Gold3263301 05:26, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad to do so. :) Sorry for being slow about it. It kind of slipped my mind for a bit there. Twocents   (Talk)  05:31, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess all things slip past by us once in a while :/ --Gold3263301 05:43, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Anime Release Pictures
While Ulquiorra's release states have not yet been shown in the anime, I must point out that Bleach: Soul Carnivel 2 just released Ulquiorra's release in it. Here is the video of said release, part 1 and here is part 2. I was thinking we could use the anime picturs of his release and Lanza del Relampago. --Seireitou-shishō (瀞霊冬川平) 01:19, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't kno about the pics, butI FREAKING HATE THE TITLE OF THAT VIDEO. VASTO LORDE ICHIGO? JACKASSES LIKE THAT R THE REASON PEOPLE COME HERE AND TRY TO CHANGE IT TO SAY HOLLOW ICHIGO IS A VASTO LORDE. I FREAKING(DUE TO POLICY RULES I CAN'T SAY WHAT I REALLY, REALLY, REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLY, WANT TO)HATE CRAP LIKE THAT. I just wanted this statement on record. Minato  (Talk)  01:29, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know about pictures from it - I know we had people upload some and they've since been deleted off. I guess I'd personally rather wait until the anime version comes out. I think the coloring's off on Ulquiorra in that video, compare to the manga. And Minato, as usual, your calm, level-headed demeanor is always a pleasure. :D Twocents   (Talk)  01:34, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Games by no means are considered canon at all and therefore their information is not entered on the articles pages as if it was on top of that it extends to any picture or the like from games or movies. It will just have to wait until its out on anime. Thats how it has always been and believe me its not our fault blame the anime for doing a filler and holding up if its something you cant wait for, i would. Salubri (Talk)  01:55, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

About The Segunda Etapa Images
First and foremost, yes I am guilty of uploading and changing them. However, before "protocol" and "policy" and flaming is thrown my way, I think I ought to suggest a reason to keep them. Firstly, that particular scene consists of canonical material right down to the bone, including even Kubo Tite's color scheme - something the anime itself deviates from sometimes. "Game material not following canon" in this case is just an excuse and a cop-out for...well, whatever reason. Secondly, the idea of this wiki is to accurately depict information from the series as a whole, hence media that covers most ground on a particular subject is used. And this tends to do just that. Following otherwise prohibits this wiki from doing exactly what it's supposed to in the long run. The game policy in this case hurts the article since perfectly suitable media is available and illustrates what it's supposed to albeit in a better format than in simple black & white manga panels. Sometimes, logic must be placed before policy, and in the case if the policy hurts an article...then you simple mend the policy and make an exception. It's not that critical. Policy should be followed...but following it too tightly causes problems. There is absolutely nothing wrong with using these images, and they do their job. And as such...if someone can explain to me a logical reason not to use them, as in...why the images HURT the article...other than citing policy, then go ahead. --NeutraVega 02:28, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

No, we don't use game images and there will be no exception. Tinni  (Talk)  02:48, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * That's not a logical response. --NeutraVega 02:49, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a perfectly logical response. Our policy procludes the use of game material, therefore we will not use it. We use manga scans until the anime screenshots are available and the game based images do not improve the article to such an extent that we HAVE to use them. There is no pressing need to set aside policy in this case. Tinni   (Talk)  02:54, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Its simple follow policy we dont need a explanation as to why you shouldn't be subject to the same standards as everyone else. It has expressly been given as far as policy it was determined that game material not be put on pages that doesn't change because you have an argument for it and on top of that you know your wrong already so unless your determined to be blocked from the site i would suggest you dont repost them nor continue to suggest that what happens in a video game is canon information when it bares no more credibility then most filler arcs that contrast with manga story lines. Regardless of having colors supported by kubo it is other media information and only to be placed there. Manga and anime images only are in the proper articles and they will be posted when they come out. Salubri (Talk)  02:50, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention you decided to totally disregard the policy but didn't engage in a discussion before and when discussion was started after the fact you totally disregarded it seeing it was not to your liking. Salubri (Talk)  03:00, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Last Name Spelling
I just Received my February Issue of the american edition of Shonen Jump and I noticed that viz's official spelling of his name is Schiffer not Cifer. I also noticed some other name issues with the espada. The official spelling of the 8th Espada is Szayelaporro Grantz not Szayel Aporro Grantz and Espada #3 is spelled Hallibell not Harribel(which now that I think about especially in her ressureccion she looks A LOT like actress Halle Berry, especially since Hallibel's hair in Tiburon looks exactly how Halle's hair looked in the 2004 action-thriller movie SwordFish. I think since viz is the official publisher of the manga their spelling is more legitimate than a fan-scan group's is. --Lemursrule 23:18, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Once again when Viz does an actual translation instead of interpretative translation then this would probably make sense. But even besides that Kubo wrote it as Cifer, so there really is no issue here. Its not his fault that the publisher cant translate his creations correct all the time. In a different circumstance this would be a issue. But considering the only conflict is whether the author/creator of the series is correct or the publisher with a history of inaccurate translation when it comes to specifics as it relates to translations from japanese to an english fan base. The same goes for the other two you mentioned. Thats what you seem to not get the fan scan group is not the one that determined the spelling. This has been talked and researched to death. The shiffer originally came from fan scans and viz and game media. Cifer was written in english by Kubo himself. Secondly Harribel is spelled again in english by Kubo it was again fan scans and media that came up with Hallibel. Third please stop referencing Halle Berry its speculative and irrelevant. Thats your personal opinion, suffice to say that nobody remotely made the connection and its highly unlikely Kubo himself would even know who she is or think it would be relevant enough to pick her as a template without doing the same to other actors/actress. The media based form of her name is coincidentally similar it has as much weight as the similarities. Unless he has stated that somewhere its a false assumption. Salubri (Talk)  23:42, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Relationships - Aizen
There is a line here that reads to me like Aizen wants to obtain hollow powers to further his own power. I don't agree with this at all, and there is no mention that Aizen has or even wants hollow powers. Maybe i misread but could someone either rephrase this or take it out.Nick D Wolfwood 17:10, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

You have a point. If my memory serves me correctly, Aizen simply stated that the only possible way to make himself any stronger than he already was would be to obtain Hollow powers. He never outright stated that he actually wanted to obtain them. Mohrpheus 17:45, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Big error, it has been removed.Salubri (Talk)  18:06, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

profile pic
why his profile pic show his body along? and the lighting on the pic don't give a clear shot of his face. someone have a better one? this is the best i could find in this wikia Shiny-gami 19:39, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Is there any with the entirety of his horn? I quite like it for the most part; it's frontal, head & shoulders, Uli himself is quite well lit, the background has no distractions, to me the resolution's decent and there are no logos. It's certainly better than his current one imo; suggest move that one to appearance or suchlike, so you can still see espada tattoo and the like. TomServo101 21:56, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

I don't have anything against Ulquiorra's current pic, but it probably is something we should move down to the Plot section. If everyone's cool with that, then we should do that. Before we do so, we should look at what we can find, as we won't get many non-battle worn opportunities for future episodes. I think this one from Episode 267 is suitable. Admittingly, I'm more used to his Hollow hole being exposed, but I think that's because of other media (namely video games). With the exception of having his clothes torn away, I think Ulquiorra only showed his Hollow hole twice. Anyway, this is what I'm putting up. Any thoughts? Arrancar109 (Talk)  07:23, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

I personally love the current pic, despite the horrible light, but that's 'coz I'm a fangirl and I love seeing his clothes ripped and his abs and his number and I must stop now or I'll drool, but if changing is absolutely necessary I demand (I'm in no possition to demand anything, ignore me, please) to keep the current in appearance or plot, somewhere visible in the article to depict his number and current hollow hole. And if it must be changed, then I suppose we should search for a mugshot, like we usually do. From the two current, the first one has a black BG, so part of the hair is lost, and the 267 is a bit too zoomed out, and the quality and drawing are not the best (speaks the queen of horrible quality shots, though). Unfortunately, as Arrancar109 says, we have little chance to get still frontal, non-battke worn pics in further episodes. Tomorrow I'll rewatch 266 and 267 and see if I can get any decent candidates, but let's not rush since we're not in a real hurry to change it, are we? Better make sure we have a nice pic instead of rushing into changing for an ugly one. Maybe wait 'til next week to see if anything better turns up, because it's the Loly/Menoly business and Ichigo and Ulquiorra don't really fight since Yammy makes his entrance and stuff...Sorry, I love Ulquiorra, I wanna make sure he gets a nice picture. But for the record, I like the current pic, even if the light is awful. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  07:47, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Well, like I said, I'm not for removing the current pic, but relocating it. Yes, I actually think the Plot section would be best, as, at the time it was first broadcasted on the air, Ulquiorra's revealed rank was a significant moment (Ichigo thought he was the 1st Espada before showing him his Espada tattoo). I did think about the Appearance section, but it already has Ulquiorra's scrapped hole, and adding another pic might clutter the Appearance section. And I don't think we're in a complete rush with replacing the profile pic (there weren't many objections in the past), so I think we can take our time with it until a suitable pic can be found. Arrancar109 (Talk)  07:57, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

I went and almost completely rewatchet 267 and took a couple snapshots though I'm not completely happy with any of them. I'll put them up, but I hope 268 brings out better options. The first one bothers me because of the angle and the sword. The second one has awful light, I don't even know why I bring it in, and the third one is not looking forward. There's a scene towards the end of the episode that would've made a wonderful shot if there hadn't been rocks flying everywhere, and if Ulquiorra hadn't released his reiatsu just when the rocks stopped flying everywhere. I didn't even bother taking that one, it was so frustrating. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  08:14, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I like 3. While he isn't facing forward completely, it's a much better one than what I took. It's also a hell of a lot better than what I've seen people try to replace the current pic with (which was before our Image Policy was established). Seriously, those were terrible shots. Anyway, while I like 3, I'm not counting it as my vote yet. I'll wait until we may or may not have more options. Arrancar109 (Talk)  08:21, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

I've gotta go with 3 as well. It's the best shot by far and it's hardly that great an angle from center, just a little to the left (his right), nothing to big to complain about. Prophet of Sanghelios 08:30, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

I go with 267 1, he's not totally frowning, and 267 2 has a big flash in the background, but 267 3 doesn't have that sword in the shot. --| WhiteArmor | (Talk) |-- 14:42, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

I like 267 3, its very high quality and showcases how he normally looks--<font color="black" face="Verdana">Godisme <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  14:46, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

I have to admit, 267 3 looks pretty awesome for some reason. He's at an angle, but it's not an awkward one, and we can still clearly see all of his facial features. The quality is also quite excellent. Mohrpheus 16:34, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

My issue with 3 is that his hair covers his beautiful eyes (can't help it, I'm so fangirl) and I couldn't crop the sword from 1 or I'd lose his horn. I'm still mourning for that shot that had flying rocks. Stupid rocks. He looked so awesome... I'll keep an eye for 268 in hopes for a better shot to save his gorgeous eyes Lia Schiffer   (Talk)  03:43, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you should try harder and refrain your fangirlness from clouding judgment. It's completely off-putting that everyone except Ulquiorra to have profile pics that show only their face whilst Ulqiuorra has to have a full torso shot. It's just stupid :| Kaihedgie 18:00, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Right, we have a slight problem. It would appear that Ulquiorra's current profile pic is already duplicated in the plot section and really it is not in keeping with the other profiles pictures in both tone and appearance. So as a temporary measure, I am going to substitute his profile picture with 267 snapshot 3 since that has the most approvals at the moment. Please keep looking for a better picture. As I said, this is a temporary measure only. Tinni  (Talk)  18:17, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Kaihedgie, I don't get what's bothering you... I took every shot that was good, I just pointed out what bothered me out from each one. And took several tries to get each one. It's nor just fangirliness, but the fact that his hair cover his eyes that bothers me from the 3rd shot. Maybe you yourself should check the episode to see if you could try harder, because I certainly couldn't, and as an Ulquiorra fan, I gave my best to get the best picture possible. But I accept your apology, we all get riled up on certain cases. And OMU, my shot will temporarily be Ulquiorra's profile pic, this must be the epitome of my career as an Ulquiorra fan. Now I must get awesome shots from 268 Lia Schiffer   (Talk)  02:25, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

OK, so the girl did her homework, rewatched 268 minute by minute, and failed miserably. I brought in whatever possible mugshot, but they're all scum compared to what we presently have. I even went back to 267 and found a couple of shots, I brought them to see if they work. I even brought this one with the rocks flying that I've been crying about because it's so perfect without the stupid rock (and the subtitle, I didn't even bother searching for the RAW because all the RAW I found have subtitles too!!! I couldn't believe my eyes when I discovered this!) Anyway, here they are. I also love 267 (with cropped horn) except that... the horn is cropped. Dear, am I being too picky? Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  04:52, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

I don't get whats wrong with the current one? I think it is excellent and should remain as the permanent pic.--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  04:55, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

She doesn't like it because Ulquiorra's got a bit of hair in his eyes, but I think it's the best one presented thus far as well. It's personally got my vote (now), even out of these newer ones I'm seeing. Still, if anyone finds anything better (it's going to be almost impossible at this point, to find him in his normal state), I'm flexible. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  05:04, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'm going with the first one from 268. Would be great without the subs.--Gold3263301 05:02, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

I personally would like to find a better one because the current one has his hair covering his eyes (never knew Tinni thought the same), but that's my fangirlism speaking (and people get mad at my fangirlism sometimes, so maybe I shouldn't mention it). Not to mention that future eps have potential (not much, but still) to give a better picture (though today was the greatest let down in history, as you can see in this display -I could easily run a collection of Ulquiorra snapshots by now...). I suppose the main reason is the angle, even if it's not too far from being frontal it still isn't all facing the camera. As for the 268 one, I really liked it too, but the quality of the shot is horrible and I was unable to find it unsubbed Lia Schiffer   (Talk)  05:08, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

None of these really compare to the current one, these have some problems, torn jacket, japenese subtitles, and rock? I say keep what we have. --| WhiteArmor | (Talk) |-- 06:13, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think any of the 268 or new 267 ones are better than what we already have. Normally I wouldn't even consider it due to the torn clothes, but I thought I'd throw "Ep268 Mugshot" in as it is not much worse than what is already there in the current pic. Yyp (Talk) 19:31, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Right, perhaps I should make clear that I don't really care either way whether the current picture is kept or not. I said "keep looking for a nicer picture" because I didn't want people to interpret my changing the profile pic as a sign the discussion had come to an end. I didn't change the pictures because an agreement had been reached, the pic change was still being discussed, but because another reason made it necessary to change the pic ASAP. That is all. Tinni  (Talk)  23:44, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

I think this shot from episode 269 is a good one, any thoughts?--Gold3263301 02:41, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Got two shots from 269. Actually one is the same that Gold brought but with better quality. Though I'm getting kinda used to the present pic. And we're not gonna get any other pics, so we've gotta pick from what we've got. I'm either with the current one or the 269-1. -- Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  06:09, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

I like the current one. But out of these newer options, I'm gonna go with 269 1. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  06:20, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

I've slightly improved my mugshot of him so you don't see the logo.--Gold3263301 22:20, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

269 2, It looks the best IMO. - WhiteArmor - (Talk) - 23:19, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

270
Why aren't the images up yet? we have (somewhat) decent shots of him, from the new episode, and that's the only picture of Cero Oscuras we'll get. - WhiteArmor - (Talk) - 06:06, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't see a good opportunity to get them. Someone did upload images of Cero Oscuras and Segunda Etapa, but they were removed for 2 reason: they were uploaded over existing images, something that is against our image policy, and they are of poor quality. It's mostly the former though. I admit that I hate low quality images (especially pixelated ones), and that I'd rather keep them off the article altogether than to have something shoddy and hard to make out depict something significant. I admit that there's nothing in our rules against that, but still, we should stick to at least medium-quality images. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  06:11, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Would it be better to get a gif for the Cero Oscuras? I got a shot for that one, but I was unsure if I should upload it, since it seemed like nobody else was putting pics up and I thought a gif would be more appropriate to show its range. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  06:16, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

It depends on how good the gif would be. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  06:33, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say so, if the quality is good, a gif would be far better than an image. - WhiteArmor - (Talk) - 07:11, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

So, should we upload a picture until we see if someone can put together a decent gif (I myself, don't know how to) or is it OK to leave the manga pic for now? This was the best I could get from the episode. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  07:17, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Need something that is similar to the manga image. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  07:24, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the anime didn't go much like the manga on that part, this was as close to the manga pic we have as I could get. But you don't see much of Ulquiorra there, just a piece of his wing. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  07:40, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thats good enough you dont see him in the manga image either and quite frankly its not supposed to showcase him but the ability. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  07:43, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

OK, I was concerned about it looking like a wall of just black with green light and that people wouldn't really get what's going on there, but then, the Cero Oscuras is just black after all. But it would be good to get a good quality gif, to make it a bit more clear. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  07:54, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

This is a better pciture of his released state because it shows more of it. And of not my image it should be an image from this episode for his realaesd state image because it gives a better view of his wings.Narutoman123 20:27, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

I actually like Narutoman's suggested picture. It indeed shows Murcielago in far better lighting than the present one, making all of the details apparent. It also showcases his signature javelin ability, which would otherwise be difficult to portray in a picture. It also seems to be of decent enough quality. Mohrpheus 20:52, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

I understand the reasoning, and better lighting is always good, but I looked at both pics, and while it was a good attempt, Narutoman123's pic has a noticeable flaw near Ulquiorra's feet. I mean, if a better attempt on it could be done, we'll see where it goes, but that scene's main problem is the fact that the wind is blowing in the scene, which makes it harder to make a panned image more accurately. Again, if a better attempt of it is done, we can see where it goes; otherwise, I'm fine with the current pic. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  21:03, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * And apparently, his version was mirrored. Yyp got another one up. What's the vote on this one? <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  21:05, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Resurreccion Segunda Etapa
I put together two shots from the anime and got this pic for his Resurreccion Segunda Etapa, but I don't know if it's okay to put it in the article, since nobody has put any pics from today's episode yet (except for Gin's blue eyes), which seems pretty odd to me, so I thought to ask before changing the pic in the article. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  06:11, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

I already did. Thanks Lia. It's a great shot. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  06:13, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Cool! I'm glad it was useful. It's my first time putting two shots together but I'm happy it came out so nicely. I was happy to find a shot where his face looked nicely drawn too (I was a bit disappointed with the first image of Murcielago, his face looks a bit odd) Lia Schiffer   (Talk)  06:27, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to suggest this as an early candidate for next month's featured picture (or any replacements if somone can find the HQ Raws). <font color="red" face="Verdana">TomServo101 <font color="red" face="Verdana">(Talk)  09:25, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Cero Oscuras gif
Should we switch image with gif?

--Lemursrule 03:43, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, if possible, I'd like to go for one without the subtitles. Maybe a little bit bigger too. I think the GIF of Ulquiorra's regular Cero is a bit bigger than this, so maybe at least that size too. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  03:51, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Alright I will try to find one a bit bigger and without subtitles. --Lemursrule 03:56, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Also, after watching the whole thing, I see that it concentrates more on just the technique; it also shows Ichigo's mask being blown away. We should also make sure the GIF ends after it impacts and explodes. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  04:01, May 15, 2010 (UTC)