Talk:Kūgo Ginjō

Bankai & Zanpakutō
I was just re-watching some of the earlier Bleach episodes, specifically Ichigo's Bankai training and I noticed a detail that is very important. It is impossible to use Bankai without having a Zanpakutō spirit. That is because it requires one to materialize the spirit in the real world and train with it. So then, if Kūgo isn't using a Zanpakutō of some form, using Bankai is impossible. We also cannot use the argument that he stole the Bankai from Ichigo since 1) such a thing was never stated by either Kūgo nor Ichigo (only his Fullbring was taken), and 2) it is impossible to steal a Bankai, because doing so would require the stealing of the Zanpakutō spirit, which is clearly not the case here.

Kūgo does have a Zanpakutō, shown in the flashback of Tsukishima as a child (it is resting on his hip). What happened to it (whether it fused with his Fullbring or something else) is unknown, however, it is clear to me at least that his use of Bankai comes because he has a Zanpakutō of his own. Therefore, I suggest we make a Zanpakutō section, detailing the appearance of the Zanpakutō shown in his flashback, and place the Bankai under that section. It'd make more sense than what is currently there.  ~ ~ Ten Tailed Fox   < t al k > 00:59, April 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Im going to go with a no on this. Kugo's powers have been increasingly all over the place, since the realization of him being a substitute shinigami and none of his abilities have made any sense nor where they properly explained. We cant make a section for information we just dont have or can verify. We can talk up and down about the facts of a zanpakuto, but continuity was dropped in relation to the particular arc in question. It actually wouldnt make anymore sense, seeing as never in the canon material of bleach have we had someone go straight to bankai with no name mentioned or unique abilities. Its simply floating information at this point and would still continue to be under your idea seeing as we have literally no information besides whats already there, it would just be under the zanpakuto title. Considering how all over the place this is we dont know if thats even remotely accurate in Kugo's case. Maybe at a later time when we have more information, most likely from the databooks, we will be able to determine the information and properly place it.-- Salubri  (Chat)     02:01, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Needs more quotes

 * "Why? I will crush the Shinigami who betrayed me! You were supposed to tell me that that was wrong. Won't you... even give me that? Why? Those eyes... are the eyes of someone who is trying to understand me! To stand where I stand... and stay by me shoulder to shoulder! Will you- after all of that... still deny everything that I am!? Ichigo?"

Grimmjow2 (talk) 17:55, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * "Ichigo, if the order we arrived was reversed... I wonder, would our positions be reversed as well? Would you... be like me? Say, Ichigo... if we were reversed... If we were... would we..."

Do you have the references for these?? That's important!!

For the first quote, chapter 476. For the second, chapter 477. Grimmjow2 (talk) 01:35, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well, Kugo's page has been unlocked recently, so you're more than welcome to add them yourself, but in addition to the chapter numbers, you also need to add the page numbers as well. Arrancar109 (Talk)  01:48, May 4, 2012 (UTC)