Talk:Quilge Opie

Change Spiritual Power to Great
He dispatched three of the most powerful Fracion without taking any damage or even dirtying his clothes. Lieutenant level shinigami failed to do that 17 months ago. He also has not used any of his more powerful Quincy techniques, nor is he even worried about fighting a multitude of Numeros or even Ichigo Kurosaki. He alsi has the title of Captain in the Vandenreich, an organisation with a leader dwarfing the power of high ranking espada. I think he warrants more than Lieutenant level reiatsu.


 * well there are some innacuracies in your argument. While they may have been the most powerful fraccion around currently, they were having a hard time taking on Rangiku and Momo, thus they brought out ayon. So to say that lieutenant level shinigami couldn't take them would be inaccurate. As far as using more powerful Quincy techniques, thats really subjective. Quincy commonly use spirit bows and arrows, decidedly these guys use reishi fire, spears, daggers and heavy artillery. We don't know the lvl the power of these weapons are but it's likely spirit bows and arrows are the same in lvl to daggers and spears. True he has no issue with fighting arrancar especially harribels fraccion but he doesn't even know who ichigo is. So we shouldn't confuse arrogance with power. The leaders power has no more reflection on his power. Having said that great level maybe necessary considering his combative capabilities to date.-- 16:31, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

How about now? He seems to be on par with Ichigo, stronger than Ishida (since the last time Ichigo entered combat with him) and upon releasing his Letz Stiltz he released a large amount of reiatsu. Oliverfalcon (talk) 14:34, April 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * He was not on par with Ichigo. If he was on par with Ichigo, he would not have needed to release the Letzt Stil. Yes, he released a large amount of reiatsu upon taking that form, that is because that is what the form does.--

Though I won't say he's on par with Ichigo, I don't really agree that he's not on par because he needed to release Letz Stil. Some of the Espada's in the Arrancar arc, used their ressureccion despite they're already in control of their battle, like Aaroniero vs Rukia, and Barragan vs Soifon.

Hmm, he stood his ground against Ayon. I think a great level would be suitable now. Just my opinion though.


 * yet and still we acknowledge that this is in a new state with increased power, the power level is supposed to be based on his power before releasing anything. If anything his power level is higher because of the new form as its not always like that.--

First Jagdarmee
According to chapter 489, page 12, he is the leader of the first Jagdarmee, implying there are more. I think this should be mentioned in the article. It's locked, so I can't add it. Deathstrawberry (talk) 13:44, April 18, 2012 (UTC)Deathstrawberry


 * While the insinuation that there is more Jagdarmee is true, there really is no justification to place that information on his article, such a think is more or less more appropriate on the Vandenreich article page.--

Quincy Cross
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v53/c489/10.html

The page clearly depicts his cross transforming into a military saber instead of bow. Why isn't this mentioned in the actual article? --NeutraVega (talk) 00:28, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * The wiki is free to edit.--

I like to confirm stuff like this in discussions first - I detest having my edits reverted without explanation or reason. --NeutraVega (talk) 07:22, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

OH, LOOK! Somebody reverted my edit and deleted the image not ten minutes after I made it... "Free to edit" you say? --NeutraVega (talk) 09:07, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * We have our rules, you have warned many times of them, this site is free to edit provided the rules are followed!! Discussion closed!!

His arrow's strength in comparison to Ishida.
I don't think you can say his arrows are far more powerful than Ishida's because Ichigo says himself that it's been a long time since he has been targeted by Ishida's arrows; if Ichigo is referring to when they first fought when he was just becoming a shinigami, then this comparison might not be accurate. I don't think you should state that his arrows are far more powerful, and more like according to Ichigo, they are more powerful though this comparison may be inaccurate due to Ichigo and Ishida not fighting for a long time. The major thing is that it's not 100% true that Ishida's attacks are weaker than Kirge.Shanghaikid2007 (talk) 18:03, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

If you read more Kirge says that it's impossible that his attacks are stronger than ishida's.--Blossom Tree (talk) 19:05, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I forgot to mention that. Thanks Blossom Tree. You can't just state his arrows are much stronger than Uryu Ishida's just because Ichigo said it when referring to a time when Ishida was weaker. Just don't make it an absolute statement, and it's good.Shanghaikid2007 (talk) 19:24, April 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * We can only gauge by what has taken place. Kirge fires his arrows which Ichigo identifies as more powerful then Uryu's. Whether they are or not is left to be determined. Kirge states that they shouldnt be less powerful then his. Thus we cant really determine whose more accurate in this issue until Uryu can prove otherwise. Looking back and stating well its been a while since Ichigo fought Ishida isnt really a answer, especially since Ichigo has gotten more powerful.--

Biskiel
From the way in which the sentence is worded on page 14 of chapter 491 ("my Vollständig ｢Biskiel｣'s...power"), my interpretation is that Biskiel is meant to represent the name of Kirge's particular Vollständig, rather than simply the attack he attempted to use. So, what do others think? Blackstar1 (talk) 15:58, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Enhanced Endurance?
Endurance is one's ability to withstand pain and keep going, durability is how much damage one can take without damage. Kirge has not shown Endurance feats, only that he is extremely durable, durable enough to shirk off Ichigo's zanpakuto and a Getsuga. I'd edit it myself, but the page is locked Grimmjow2 (talk) 01:25, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should add that Kirge is physically immortal. Or at least mention the fact he had his neck broken and clicked it back into place with no negative effects. If someone can withstand a broken neck and spine and still be unfazed, then by normal standards, they are biologically and physically immortal. Maybe attribute it to "blut", or blood cloth according the Japanese translation of the German. Oliverfalcon (talk) 16:57, May 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * This is something that we need to wait on. We have no idea what happened, what he means by blut, whether this is an effect of Vollstandig or if this is a natural ability of his.--


 * To say he is immortal is a bit much. As Godisme said we dont know enough right now. The original point of this discussion, endurance -> durability, has been taken care of. Thanks Grimmjow2. 20:54, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Quincy abilities
I don't think that certain Quincy abilities such as the Blut and the Rasotengai are exculsive of the Volstandig. Uryu used Rasotengai without the Quincy: Last Style and one of the Vandenreich attacking Soul Society used the defensive Blut without activating the Volstandig, so i believe that these abilities should be moved to Kirge base abilities section. Any opinions on this? Darksusanoo (talk) 12:05, July 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * The content has been corrected.--

Medallion
Why isn't the Bankai-absorbing medallion listed in Kirge's equipment section? He was seen using it trying to seal Ichigo's Bankai and failling, but he did atempt to use it. Chapter 498 page 6-8. Since the page is currently locked, can someone with the power edit that flaw? Darksusanoo (talk) 02:44, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Done. Thank you for pointing that out. Arrancar109 (Talk)  02:57, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Reshi Spear
A mistake i found in Kirge abilities section is that his spirit weapon can change to either a sword or a spear. This is a mistake as seen first in chapter 486 page 17 two identical spears are seen being used by the hunting squad minions. Chapter 487 page 3 again we see then with the spears. Page 6 of the same chapter multiple ones. Now people may say "Quincy bows are all the same, what's your point?" Well first i've never seen a Quincy weapon change form...if it's a bow, it stays a bow, if it's a pistol, it stays a pistol, if it's a sword it stays a sword. They may change from reishi based weapons to solid ones but they don't change weapons...one type only. Lastly we never see Kirge produce the spear from his Quincy cross, only the military saber and we only see the cross when he brings the sword out. Plus i find it hard to believe that the Spirit Weapon of a Quincy as powerful as Kirge would simply be cut in half by second-grade Arrancars like Loly and Menoly with one strike. I would more likely see it as a piece of equipment and would move to change it as such. Any opinions? Darksusanoo (talk) 03:10, July 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Again an opinion or more than one would be welcomed. Darksusanoo (talk) 14:56, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Although I agree that the article should make some distinction between the sword, which we know explicitly to be Kirge's spirit weapon, and the spear, which does appear to be something far more generic, I'm not sure on the suggested placement for the spear entry. As far as I'm aware, unlike Shinigami and Arrancar, there's nothing that really dictates what form a Quincy weapon should take, as they're simple condensed reishi rather than a manifestation of the person's soul. So, while we haven't witnessed a spirit weapon be altered so drastically, it's not correct to just dismiss the possibility given how limited the information we have is, after all we've seen the Vandenreich Leader change his throne into a set of stairs in chapter 485. Blackstar1 (talk) 15:39, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * One thing has nothing to do with another...one thing is using reishi to change the shape of a few objects, another is in regards to a Quincy's Spirit Weapon, which as shown so far does not change between different weapons...it changes at best between spirit/solid shapes, as seen with both father and son Ishida, all inplies that Spirit Weapons only assume one type of weapon...plus as stated above i find it hard that the main weapon of a high-level Quincy such as Kirge's be cut in two by a pair of lesser Arrancar...plus the point that other identical spears have been shown in high amounts imply that it's another weapon/equipment piece and not a spirit weapon... Darksusanoo (talk) 00:18, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

You might want to re-read what the current definition of a Spirit Weapon is, because if condensed reishi can be altered to such drastic effect, then by simple extension there's nothing stated which precludes the same for a spirit weapon. However, I'm not debating the fact that a distinction should be made between the sword and spear (as I actually share most of your assertions), but given the lack of information we have on these present Quincy I believe your being rash in dismissing other possibilities. For instance, there's nothing to say that a Quincy could create multiple spirit weapons, just that they have one central one that uses their cross as a focus, while the others are more simple constructs akin to the leader's throne but as they are made from reishi and are a weapon, still count as a spirit weapon by definition. The simple fact is we just don't know yet, which is why I have reservations about classing it as equipment at this time, but I admit for the same reason, separating it from the sword is a must. Blackstar1 (talk) 01:04, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * "Sigh"...i apologize for my previous lack of insight on your reply though i still stand for most of what i said...but you are right...information at the time appears to be lacking...maybe after seeing Uryu using these modern Quincy techniques or seeing the rest of the Vandenreich using their weapons maybe we'll get more intel..as i said...we never saw Kirge (or any Quincy by that matter) producing that type of spear as a spirit weapon from a cross, which forces one to contemplate if the thing is even a spirit weapon and is so, why didn't Kirge use it again at any of his battles? The thing is...we've seen a half dozen different Quincy of both old and new types...all of them have only shown one type of weapon, maybe a reishi construct, maybe a solid weapon, but it was only one type. But fine...like other times, wait for the proper information. Darksusanoo (talk) 01:34, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Defeat(?)
Is there a reason why Kirge's page hasn't been edited to include his being cut in half by the unknown foe? The chapter did come out last week, hence why I thought it would've been edited by now.