User talk:Salubri/Archive 9

Rangiku's Page
Could you lock it as it was left by Tinni as some people just won't give up, though I added an image there so keep that too, please, this is going to start a ruckus again, SunXia (talk) 06:34, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Images Deletion?
Did I do it right?? Sorry I didn't bring that picture up for Ikkaku I did it for the Anime summery but I linked the previous picture there instead. Sorry I'm still learning SunXia (talk) 21:48, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Ichigo Kurosaki & Don Kanonji vs. Jibakurai
This page needs to be moved to Ichigo Kurosaki & Don Kanonji vs. The Demi-Hollow, as determined by Tinni, Mohrpheus and myself. You can see the debate in Talk:The Demi-Hollow. WD  Talk to me  23:04, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

The reason is when we discussed this it still didn't have anything to do with the fight project. We established that Jibakurai was not the name of the Hollow but the Japanese version of the English term "Earthbound Spirit". Either way, it was an open debate, which happened to take place between three committee members, one of them the head of the committee, so I figured it's iron clad and renamed the character. It's the renaming of the character that forces the renaming of the fight. Sorry of I was unclear. WD  Talk to me  23:55, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

OK. Duly noted. I guess we should have brought at least the admins into it sooner, but to be honest The Demi-Hollow page has been around for a week, as a matter of fact I only finished writing it a couple of hours ago and I was under the impression the renaming already enjoyed your blessing. But this is a learning experience for me, as I'm still getting the hang of the committee work and the due process of doing things. WD  Talk to me  00:34, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you and I promise to start working now that I finally came back from my short "just-manga vacation". As of now I gave myself to the task of re-reading all of the policies we have (I'm halfway done already) and tomorrow I'll try to finish the Vizard pictures that I left unfinished when I left and then see what else I can do. Thanks again and I'll give it my best to help this wiki as much as I can. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  07:35, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Spiritual Density page
Hey Salubri, someone has created a Spiritual Density page, i have deleted the info but dont know how to delete the page. It seems thecreator has misunderstood the manga and thinks it is a seperate thing from Reiatsu. If you could delete the page please, thanks. GinIchimaru (talk) 13:56, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Eh?
I didn't speculate. I simply argued that a certain point could be taken to be the opposite of what was being stated as a fact in the argument. My edit changed pure speculation back into a more factual ambiguous statement. "Ichigo's hollow took over" is speculation, "Ichigo hollowified" isn't. I don't know how making something more ambiguous could be construed as speculation. Especially when one of the characters outright states the opposite of what's on the page.

MrGradius (talk) 14:02, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

He seems to have a problem with what is & is not speculation. To that point, although I doubt it will help, I've decided to take his advice & read up on the speculation policy. Here's what I've found:

"1. Conclusions derived from Canon factoids which are in dispute. For example, irreconcilable conflicts in opinion between two possible interpretations from an image in the manga or anime would be cause for a disputed fact.

2. These conflicts should be recorded and given context in the out-of-universe sections of articles. If possible, in-universe sections should make general statements that give no preference to the disputed options."

So, the Wiki's policy agrees with exactly what I was telling you in the talk page of Isshin Kurosaki: There should be a general statement that gives no preference. Calling it a physical attack PREFERS one side of the Strength vs. Kido debate. Additionally, nowhere in the speculation policy is the "default to physical in up-close situations" you told me about listed. Now, if you still think that it's unreasonable to remove it from the abilities section, you could give it as evidence of his Spiritual Pressure, because BOTH methods of attack depend on that. Really, either that or removal are the only non-biased options.Neo Bahamut (talk) 17:25, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to assume that your silence means that you agree with my analysis & get around to fixing that at my leisure. Unless you have some objection, of course.Neo Bahamut (talk) 22:18, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Stuff
Is chapter 414 going to be in the july or August votes. Im just wondering considering that since it was delayed i doubt we will get the Ju-Ni quotes or the pictures put up on the voting pages before July ends and this chapter was so full of important quotes and pictures that i want to know where if it will face a fair vote? thanks for any info. GinIchimaru (talk) 01:41, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Will do, thanks! GinIchimaru (talk) 01:53, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Kisuke Shop
Why did you revert my edit? It is the Urahara Shop not the Kisuke Shop--God (Pray)  03:18, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, no problem then. I will keep my eye out for him. I was going to change his edit back as I found it questionable but I decided to leave it for you or someone else as I was really unsure in that instance. Only thing I knew for certain had to be changed was Kisuke Shop to Urahara shop. I'll let you know next time I see something like that--God (Pray)  03:28, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

aizen's death
Shouldn't we consider Aizen dead or at the least unknown? he was shown fading from gin's attack in ch. 414. Tensa Zabimaru (talk) 06:52, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

RE. Rangiku Images
The only thing is, those episodes that she's appears in during those Arcs, are very dark episodes so the pictures weren't going to be of the best quality, so I brought many in to see which wasn't half bad to use in the article but nobody has cared so I guess should mark the rest of them for deletion or find other places for them, like putting the one with her spiritual pressure evident, putting that in her Powers section since it has no pics and use the others and epsiode screenshots!! I've already placed two in the article but nobody seems against those pics so I guess it's ok!! SunXia (talk) 14:06, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

MASKED Statistics
I'm going to leave naming issues untouched, since that's going to require a large amount of discussion before hammering it out, but is it cool if I go ahead and tend to the new statistic data for the characters (height, weight, etc)? As I've stated before, I can easily do the conversion from cm to ft and kg to lbs myself. Plus, it'll be the easiest part to sort out right now anyway. Arrancar109 (Talk)  18:14, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'll get back to you on the colorization policy a bit later, as I need some time to go over it. I'll have a response ready for you in 12 hours. In the meantime, I think there's a bit of an issue with our current Arrancar templates. Both of them. MASKED seems to give some, but not all Arrancar a Birthday. Since you set up the templates, maybe you can find a way to insert a Birthday section for both Arrancar templates and make it show up if the character in-question has a birthday, or the section does not show up if the character does not. Arrancar109 (Talk)  18:45, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I flinched in surprise when I got to Nel, but it is true. Here's a scan to prove it:. Arrancar109 (Talk)  18:52, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Right, thanks. Has completely forgotten about that discussion. Got the scans from BA (general section, posted by SpaceCat). I'm taking screencaps of all the name changes and will stick them in 1 pic and upload it soon for reference. 19:15, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Template Changes
Given the newest data revealed on MASKED, I think I can help save time for how each template should be changed. For the Character Template 3 (The Vizards), we have to add "Birthday", "Height", and "Weight", since they will not show up before the template is edited.

For Character Template (Arrancar 2) (used for Di Roy, Menoly, and other non-Espada Arrancar), we need to add "Birthday", "Height", and "Weight".

And finally for Character Template (Arrancar) (the former and current Espada), we just have to add "Birthday", since we have the height and weight already covered for them.

I'm not quite sure yet if all Arrancar have their birthdays stated, but a vast majority of them seem to. Just like what we had with "Height" and "Weight" on the older templates, we should make the coding on "Birthday", "Height", and "Weight" only show up if something is entered in the field, so we can avoid confusing coding issues on the character pages. Arrancar109 (Talk)  20:04, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Gin's Page
Ju-Ni have released their scan of ch414. 20:51, August 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Here's a transcript of what is wrote, my punctuation probably isn't correct but the words are taken directly from Ju-Ni's version:


 * "Can you see this? It's missin' a piece...right here. I just left that piece inside of you. A long time ago I told you about my Bankai's ability, right? Sorry but I was lyin' about it. It don't extend as far as I said it did...and it don't extend as fast as I said it did. All it does, is turn into dust just for a second when it expands and contracts...and, there's a deadly poison inside the blade that dissolves and breaks down the cells. Looks like you've figured it out...when I recalled my sword after it prierced your chest just now, I kept a single shard intact and left it in your heart."


 * Hope this helps. Blackstar1 (talk) 21:00, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

My interpretation is that not everything was a lie, just the exact measurement of the speed & length (but it is incredibly quick), and he simply didn't mention the poison. 21:43, August 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Since the page can editted now, should someone also edit the Hypersonic Extension section or is that going to remain the same?Northstar1012 (talk) 22:10, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

I have to say I agree with yourself and Yyp on this issue; although the exact measurement of the speed and length may be different than originally stated, Gin has demonstrated that his Bankai can still achieve incrediable values in both areas, this isn't really debatable as it's clearly displayed both by how the sword is illustrated and Ichigo's reactions during their battle. In regards to the omission of the poison, as you correctly said Gin is notorious for downplaying his abilities in order to draw his opponent's attention away from the true danger and especially considering he held this in reserve for Aizen, I can see why he would have had to make his other abilities appear convincing and dangerous enough to warrant being the full extent of a Bankai's capabilities. However; the only thing that I would say needs attention to be brought to it in the Bankai's description is the manner in which it extends and contracts, as previously nothing had been stated regarding this topic and seeing how when I wrote about how the Bankai's techniques work, my assumptions were based solely on how his Shikai functions, you might want to check that the wording suits this new information. Other than that, I'd say you'd be fine as you are adding a small description to the main paragraph but you might at least want to consider placing a seperate more detailed section for the "Kill, Kamishini no Yari" underneath, in order to prevent confusion as currently some users may miss it's present placement. Blackstar1 (talk) 22:48, August 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry to keep bothering you but after a quick check, it is really the Hypersonic Blade Extension and Contraction that needs the most rewording, as it keeps making allusions to this being the most "deadliest" or "greatest" aspect of the Bankai which isn't true anymore. Also, I don't yet know the significance of this but Gin places his hand on the exact spot where he stabbed Aizen when stating "Kill, Kamishini no Yari", this could just simply be a sentimental action or it could be something he has to fulfill in order to activate the technique (especially, considering how potent it is). Either way it does seem like something that may need to be mentioned in the respective Zanpakuto section. Blackstar1 (talk) 23:10, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * since the discussion on Gin's talk page has been closed and you still don't seem to get what i was saying i will explain here. the point i was trying to make is that the numbers on the article are wrong because Gin stated that he lied about those numbers. you seem to have interpreted that as me saying that it only has poison abilities. that is not what i meant. all i was saying is that the exact numbers are not correct. that dose not mean that it is still not very long and very fast. it is just not as fast or long as Gin stated at that time. so to make the article correct the exact numbers need to be replaced with general statements that convey it's speed and length without using numbers that have now been stated by the person who originally stated those numbers to be wrong. Kamiryu (talk) 01:26, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * since the discussion on Gin's talk page has been closed and you still don't seem to get what i was saying i will explain here. the point i was trying to make is that the numbers on the article are wrong because Gin stated that he lied about those numbers. you seem to have interpreted that as me saying that it only has poison abilities. that is not what i meant. all i was saying is that the exact numbers are not correct. that dose not mean that it is still not very long and very fast. it is just not as fast or long as Gin stated at that time. so to make the article correct the exact numbers need to be replaced with general statements that convey it's speed and length without using numbers that have now been stated by the person who originally stated those numbers to be wrong. Kamiryu (talk) 01:26, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I think the Gin page was a better place to say this, but the discussion was closed already (before it even started!).

Anyways, I guess there is denying his Bankai description is REALLY innacurate. Gin said, according to Ju-Ni: "A long time ago, about my Bankai's ability, right? Sorry, but I was lyin' about it. It don't extend as far as I said it did and it don't extend as fast as I said it did. All it does is turn into dust..."

It is not a matter of "the lie lies in not saying the main ability is the poison", but it is quite obvious it was phrased as "the lie lies in it does not has the previous said ability, it does have this new one". Gin not only clearly says his previous numbers were lies, he even adds a "All it does" what basically means ITS ONLY REAL ABILITY IS THE POISON.

We might think it extends a lot and is insanely fast? Yes, and we will be right. We saw it covering whole buildings in a single shot and that Ichigo couldn't even follow. Despite what Gin said, it is obvious is grows much more and much faster than the Shikai and it sure must be commented as part of the Bankai characteristics. HOWEVER to say it grows 13km and 500x the speed of sound is completely innacurate. Actually, even calling it hypersonic is innacurate already since we don't know if it does surpass the speed of sound.

By the way, isn't there a proper way where we (users) can discuss this? - Fraccion (talk) 02:24, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Locking pages
Hey. Wouldn't we be prudent to lock all character pages with new names revealed in masked for the time being? This includes Luppi, Iceringer, Demōra, Yammy Riyalgo, Nnoitra Jiruga, Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto, Izuru Kira, Soifon, Shunsui Kyōraku, Di Roy Linker, Wonderweiss Margera, Loly, Menoly, Dondochakka Bilstin and maybe a few more that I've missed. Especially If we're gonna wait with the changes until the fourth. WD  Talk to me  03:02, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Colorization Policy
Let's talk this over with Yyp too, but I think we should only use anime colors in the situation where no manga-based colors have been shown. Manga-based colors should probably also be referenced in order to avoid confusion. In a situation where anime colors were originally used before the introduction of a manga coloration, it should be corrected when the manga coloration is available, and should be referenced as well. This is all I can think about regarding this, but if there are any problems/concerns about this, let me know.

Also, regarding your "Black and white" comment; I wouldn't worry too much about it. When you first did the new templates, I had a similar concern regarding Soifon's hair color. I stated it to be navy blue, which is its anime color, but you told me it was black, and looking at the Volume 18 cover, you were actually right on that. I think what I've stated above should clear up most issues, except for anything you or Yyp might add. Also, Orihime's eyes are brown in the manga and grey in the anime, so unless you want to state both colors in the infobox (which may open some issues regarding the recently resolved Ichimaru eye case), that should resolve any confusion about that. Again, give me feedback if you feel that I missed something. Arrancar109 (Talk)  06:10, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Medi Edits
Since new users don't get the welcome message until after their first edit, I think maybe something could be done to the message they receive when they create an account. I'll see if I can track down that message and add something about our policies to it, though it might still get ignored. I'll look into what else can be done too. I've spent a lot of time looking through the mediawiki messages on other wikis trying to find useful things and find out what can be customized. Some of the big wikias have heavily modified set-ups, so I'll go through their code and if I find anything useful, I'll let you know. 22:35, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Gin's Zanpakutou
Sorry. The release of MASKED and its plethora of data, combined with my browser's usu. bitchiness, my just having finished moving out of my home, and the fact that "DEICIDE16"'s raw was late (the providers were delayed by Otakon or hunting boar in a quest for manliness, they said ;) ) have made me even slower about it. I now have the raw (assuming the dl went without any crap-ups) and will work on it ASAP :).

As for the romanization thing, I thought I put my *ideers* on the Masked Project page just a min ago but, to summarize:

For Arrancar names (stylized alterations of real languages), as well as special cases (e.g. the Sinitic "Sui-feng") -- defer to Kubo

For Japanese (as a real language) names -- I would keep to the Hepburn system you guys have always used, esp. since, as Marq also cited, the forms in the guidebook are wildly inconsistent, including long uu and ou in some cases but not others, mixing systems e.g. with shu alongside syu (they're the same sound!). Our romanization is far more faithful to actual Japanese orthography than the book's. Then again, we primarily use the Latin alphabet, so it's to be expected that even more-literate-than-average Japanese creators may make mistakes/have fun with it, since their own original spellings never change in Kanji/kana, their primary medium of writing. I mean, Latin letters are just as much word art to them, it seems, as Kanji/Hanzi are to Westerners (cf. every tattoo ever XD), so they can keep the same spelling in Kanji and kana, never-changing and primary, and then afford to goof off somewhat with the very-secondary forms written in the exotic Latin alphabet. Adam Restling (talk) 03:33, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Gin's Zanpakuto
I have seen you questioning his bankai abilities and just wanted to add my two cents. Its cool if you don't agree but the way i read it is that he lied about the length in that it cannot reach 13 kilometers, and it does not travel at 2x the speed of sound. It is very long and very fast just not that long or that fast. I just wanted to share that with you in case you had not thought about it that way--God (Pray)  05:34, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Name Corrections
Yeah, I saw that message. I'm still confused on Soifon, but like you said (as well as what's stated on her page anyway) it's written in Chinese, so that and the Arrancar names will probably be the only one with the name change that'll work. Still, regarding the alternate spellings regarding her and the other Shinigami; should we still note the alternate spelling on the page anyway (like on Amagai's page, we have "sometimes romanized as Syusuke Amagai"), or should we just leave those out altogether? <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  06:09, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well, since we got that sorted out, my guess is that our next move on the Project Page is to start listing the characters from top to bottom who are going to have their pages changed. While some characters are presented in more articles than others, I think we should organize the list so we know which ones to hit first. My guess is that we're probably going to list each character alphabetically, and have something like "Incomplete/Complete" listed next to them, not just for the page move itself, but for every article linking to the page. That way, we can sort everything out without it getting too chaotic. Anything you want to add?

Oh yeah, and I know that Adam has it listed as "Sui-feng", but shouldn't we capitalize the "F" as well (Sui-Feng)? <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  06:28, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Referencing
can you talk me through how to reference info on the wiki, im adding a quote from ch 414 and dont know how. thanks GinIchimaru (talk) 13:57, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Random
Poll: I'm not great with that sort of thing, but here's a few: favourite TBtP captain, fav plot twist, kido, group/faction, fav movie/arc, character intro, which Arrancar has the coolest cero. Might be worth setting up the Bleach Wiki:Poll Results talk page for users to post their ideas for future polls, and we can chose the best from those ideas, cause I can't think of anything better than those.

Colouration: I'm with Arrancar109 on this. If the colour is shown in the manga, it should be used. Then use the anime for what is not revealed in the manga.

MediaWiki: I'm putting something up on the "you've succeeded in making an account" screen now. Should help a bit, since all new users get that before they edit, rather than after as with the welcome message. However, it wont be shown to users that already have an account from being on other wikis. I'll see what else can be done. 21:43, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Tousen's bankai
I think when he use his bankai he send 9 rings, so i have numbered it.And I was right.In anime and manga he send 9 rings. 12:18, Aug 5, 2010, (UTC)

Re: Inactivity
Yes, it actually has a lot to do with availability. Though classes are out for the summer, my work schedule fills up and I vacation more frequently. By next month or so, my work schedule should shrink and my activity here should become more routine. If this doesn't happen I will resign from the committee and let a more able contributor to take my place. And sorry for my delayed response, I didn't see your message amongst the more recent ones on my talk page. SerialSniper14 (Talk)  22:11, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Vizard Page
How long do you expect to keep the Vizard page locked? I know it is locked due to the new Databook. I was in the process of referencing everything and only got about half done before you locked it.--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  22:28, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Haha, Thanks--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  02:34, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Time line
Sorry about that I miss read the timeline I thought it was saying that it was when they became captains not when they left. Thanks for fixing it.Naruto 45 (talk) 18:11, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

OMG thank you
thank you for changing the Jinzen section cause it was driving me insane

Seven Mysteries
Hey. I started a debate in Talk:Omake Segments regarding the Seven Mysteries omake. Could you please take a look when you get the time? I'm alerting you because I want to avoid a repeat of the Jibakurai situation. WD  Talk to me  08:52, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

The song shojo s
hey i was watchin the openings and this has been buggin me for a while but why is their to videos, it says their different versions but when i watched both they were the same thing. so whats the deal?

User:Zangetsu20

Gran Rey Cero Deletion
Hello. To prepare the Gran Rey Cero article for deletion, I redirected almost every link that led to that page so that they would go to the Cero article's appropriate section instead. The only pages that are still linked to it are some User pages (which I do not think I have the authority to alter) and the Espada article, which is currently locked. Just wanted to give you a heads up, in case you want to finish the rest yourself. Mohrpheus (talk) 19:21, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

New Page & Bots
About the Stats page, I have no objections to it. I can see it being quite popular in fact, but yeah, it probably would attract problems, so it would need to be at least semi-protected to avoid issues. I know nothing about using/setting up bots so I'll have to read up on them and get back to you on that, though it would be great if a bot could handle all that stuff. There are a few bots on the wiki already: User:AnimeBot, User:ReadBot, User:Aizen Sôsuke and User:AnimeBotSys, but I have no idea if they can be reactivated or even do what we would need. I'll get back to you tomorrow on that. 20:50, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Location Plot sections
The Idea came from me originally. I posted something about it in the article improvement project discussion page a while back and as far as I recall got no responses. I was also the one who added the headlines for the arcs, thinking it was necessary. But I wasn't the one who put it up in the AIP with the directive "plot section is just empty headings" I did claim it as I thought somebody must've seen it the same way as me. If Tinni has a problem with me waisting my editing time on things she deems unnecessary, she should pay more attention to what's going on in her own project. Besides, the article had a stub label on it. As it were, what else was there to add except for a plot section? WD  Talk to me  22:32, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Site destruct.
Haven't had any trouble, though the site has been kinda slow all day. 16:49, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

My Post on God's blog
I apologize for that post. I wasn't trying to rewrite the story, just clarify my understanding of what Aizen said about the two seperate hogyoku(unsure of plural form) during the chapter. PrinceNero (talk) 02:51, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Recent Pages
Somewhat. Mostly blog comments. I can't even get a hold of original blog posts, yet everyone keeps commenting on a blog that according to the wiki, doesn't exist. I'm not sure what's going on with it. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  04:43, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Not sure. My guess is that the Central Wiki is modifying the wikis, and their modifications are affecting all of them (us included, obviously) that sort of screws up some of the existing systems on the sites. I think all we can do for now is wait it out, like the last time when the site wasn't loading properly at all (that you've spoken to Yyp about). <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  04:51, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

MASKED
Given what's been happening today, some people still aren't getting the message about MASKED, so I thought about adding a new rule to the Project Page. Yyp seemed pretty cool with it. It pretty much goes like this:
 * Administrators and Policy & Standards Committee members will handle the creation, the updating, and the moving of all pages regarding content on MASKED. Do not attempt to do it yourself, or your edits will be reverted, and you will be warned. If you persist on doing this despite being warned, then you will be blocked.

In case you're concerned, the blocking penalty wouldn't be for too long; I'd say anywhere between a few days to 2 weeks tops, since it's not intentional vandalism. If there's anything else you wanted to add or if there's any concerns you have, feel free to bring them up, but I'm set on making this a rule, since the whole mess we had to deal with today. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  23:14, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Personal, cont.
I never called you, or anyone else an offending name. If you are talking about the Ginhater name, that isn't offensive, it's just the person I think you are. Of course, it's possible you aren't a Ginhater, but your volitious acts (most notibly, not really surprised, or at least a bit concerned on the death of Gin) make me think you don't like Gin at all. I'm already aware of the consequences, so I'm not dumb. Animangalover 4:38 August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Pics and fights
I'll get the pics as soon as possible. I think invasion of Soul Society sounds better. Also, where did you get the information that Sōjun Kuchiki was killed in the line of duty? Do you have a translation link to info about him? It might help me get his profile constructed. Tinni  (Talk)  04:31, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re: New Wiki
The first beta testing is being carried out over the next few weeks (don't know how many exactly), then once they sort out the feedback, that will be followed by a much larger, open beta test (I'm guessing that'll take at least a few weeks as well). Then more sorting out before they start rolling it out. Seems to be that early(-ish) next year is the likely timeframe, but I'm not really sure. I had to agree to a non-disclosure agreement (in all but name) to be part of the beta testing, but haven't received any info yet on when I'm supposed to start. I haven't seen anything about other changes unrelated to the skin, but I only hear about them from the central wiki's blog posts & forums. And judging by the comments in their forum, a lot of stuff doesn't get announced, just sprung on us. Any things I see I'll let you know about. 22:47, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Shunsui
Hey, why is Shunsui's page locked? I looked through the history but the only explanation is "Awaiting Translation". Just curious.--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  06:18, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Can you also unlock Kira while you are at it? I mean, the decision has been made that only Gotei 13 page that's going to move due to Mask is Soifon to Sui-Feng. So the other pages no longer need to be locked. Tinni  (Talk)  06:20, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ah so it was MASKED then? Alright--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  06:23, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Images
The picture I recently uploaded does not show and I'm concerned something may have gone wrong. <New_Ichigo.jpg>

User Pages
I know that users are not allowed to excessively edit their user page without making a fair number of contributions to the site, and I seem to remember a discussion about whether or not users should be warned about this or not when it starts happening. What was the out come of this? Should I warn users that are doing nothing but editing their own user pages when I see it or is that to be left to the admins?--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  02:31, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I wanted to know about this as well. I know of at least two or three users that do nothing but edit their user pages endlessly. Is there an official stance on what to do about this kind of users, if they should be warned or something? Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  02:40, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, the case that brought this to my attention is User:Ashleyyyy, while she has made a few edits to pages about 90% of her edits are to her own user page--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  03:44, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the info, I was actually thinking about the same user, who has even put herself as Inactive, and gave the reason of "constructing User Page", and I have seen her do countless edits to her page, while she does little to nothing to the articles. There are a couple others, but this one was at the top of my list, and Godisme already gave her a warning. Anyway, thanks for answering, I'll keep it in mind for the future. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  04:02, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

One of the problems with this editing user page thing is at what point do we say this is too much. Since the edit count gives a breakdown by percentages, I think we should use that as a gauge. If a user goes above, say for arguments sake 20% of their edits being in the user namespace, then that is clearly too much. Ashleyyyy has 73% of her edits on her user page, which is far above anything we should tolerate. The problem is what percentage to use as a cut-off point. Also, if a user does not heed a warning, then their user page would be locked for a few weeks. 12:44, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Gin's Death
Wouldn't it be prudent to mark Gin is incapacitated? I know it seemed as though he was dead as of Chapter 416, but he was conscious enough to notice Ichigo in Chapter 417. If Hiyori, being both bifurcated and unconscious, is considered incapacitated, I think its rather misleading to consider Gin dead unless otherwise proven in the Manga. Just a thought.

NieldSWND (talk) 03:08, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hey Salubri, some idiot has created an account with the name godismeisAVIRGINDORKthatliviesinhisparentsbasement he also posted some rubbish about Godisme on the Is Gin really dead blog, i hope you can ban him straight away for this. He is probably someone who was arguing with Godisme on the same blog about Gin's status who decided to be immature like this. Thanks in advance for dealing with this. GinIchimaru (talk) 00:38, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Kido Corps
I have a question of where I could but that Kido Corps member image at?

Was it deleted from the page because its speculated that he may be a member of the Kido Corps and not enough information? I was wondering because he is part of a goup that uses Kido. There were members in the first Bleach movie near the Kido Cannon that wore similar oufits (I know thats not canon, but still), and then you have the beginning of the second Bleach movie where they have people in similar outfits with flags showing the Kido symbol. Hisagi9 (talk) 19:05, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. The image is actually from the anime. Its from episode 54 during Rukia's execution. Sorry I should of made that clear before. I was stating the other info about the movies to back up the Kido member thing. I understand its not of good quality still, thanks for the info. Hisagi9 (talk) 19:25, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Lets be diplomatic.
I'm new to all of this, so I will be diplomatic, If you will; I am just repairing errors. It Is not my fault your not using heads, or logic, because I'm being logical, and I am ready to settle these disputes If your to co-operate. What do you say Salubari? Beingknowledgeableisnotthesameasbeingsmart (talk) 21:36, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I cant be certain but reading this users posts, it seems to be the sensless mindless violence guy. May not be though--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  21:53, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Sensless Mindless Violence Guy
Well it is confirmed. This guy is the senseless mindless violence guy so I think it would be wise to block him before he starts vandalizing again.--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  22:51, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Redundant
I saw you restored Unohana and Isane's name to notable members. But isn't that a little redundant considering their name is in the table anyway? Tinni  (Talk)  01:58, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Well they are all part of the same page but maybe it is possible to have both and it not be redundant. I'll see what I can do. Tinni  (Talk)  02:29, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Photo of Szayel Aporro Granz
Well, at first, greetings =D

At second, I am a newbie, so I don't know much about the rules of this site, so if I break any rule, please edit this post.

I wanted to give you a link of an image of Szayel Aporro Granz, about it's censorship with the Seele Schneider. It has both Manga and Anime versions. (I really gave you the link because, as you know, I am a newbie and I don't know much about posting images =D)

http://i37.tinypic.com/20uwolx.jpg

See ya! (PD: Sorry if you find gramatical errors, I am from Colombia, and I'm a student =D) -Kurotsuki, 09:27p.m, Colombian Hour, 27-08-2010

Edit: I wanted you to put it in Szayel's gallery, because I don't know how to put it. -Kurotsuki, 03:09p.m, Colombian Hour, 28-08-2010

Re: Ichimaru's status
Thanks. Something definitely needs to be done. I am kind of tired of being attacked but what can I do. I almost gave up arguing about it and just concede but I thought if we give them this one then Grimmjow, Momo and Yama will be next. I don't understand why users continue to fight even when I say it is not going to change. I told them to take it up with you guys if they felt I was being unfair but they continued to insult me. Whatever. Im just glad its over for now.

P.S- I totally stole the little box you have at the top of your talk page. Lately some users have decided that my talk page can double as a forum--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  06:26, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I mostly closed the forum due to constant attacks on <font color="black" face="Verdana">God, but should I re-open it, or leave it shut? Should I allow the topic to be re-opened? <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  06:38, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I can go either way on that. I'd say do it only if you feel necessary (I can see why you would at this point). If you don't feel 100%, then talk to Yyp too, but I'm going to let you do it the way you want. Hopefully this crap will drop if this is done. I don't mind the discussions being put up either, but it got out of hand with Ichimaru, since there were personal attacks involved. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  06:53, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Status
Your are being too optimistic. Remember that we still list (deceased) next to character names on other pages. Gin has list of Shinigami and the 3rd Division page. ^.^ But I think those pages are lower profile then Gin's profile (that rhymes!) So the problem should be reduced at any rate. Tinni  (Talk)  07:22, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I truly don't believe the "problem" will disappear. There are still pages that state them as "deceased", as stated by Tinni, and the plot sections that write them "and then he dies" "as he dies" etc. But I hope we get at least a little less crap from these issues, I was getting tired of it. Maybe it's a bit drastic, we'll see how it goes, but this Gin issue went too far Lia Schiffer   (Talk)  07:38, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that really blew up last night. The whole status thing is very trivial, and having these arguments over something so small & trivial is not helping anyone. It is distracting everyone from doing actual work on the wiki as well as causing unnecessary agro. I think this is the right thing to do. It won't stop everything, but it will go a long way. I'll remove the piece about it from the manual of style. 16:24, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Good job on deleting the statuses. I truly think this is the only thing we can do to stop at least some of it. Although have a feeling that users are going to start complaining that statuses should come back but whatever. Good job, this is the best solution--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  22:37, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Deicide...
I haven't found anything about this so I thought I'd ask, but would it make sense to consider the Deicide chapters it's own arc? The spoiler page says "The Arrancar arc will end in Mid 2010, A short arc will follow; after that, a much longer arc will begin" this information isn't referenced so I don't know if it's true or not but assuming it is. Deicide started a few months back and it's fairly long, assuming that it ends soon, could it be the "short arc" that is mentioned? Oblivion1 (talk) 00:56, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Edit Signature
I am having some trouble with editing my signature so that I can make it look more unique. I wanted to know if there is any special syntax. When I tried to use the custom signature thing it just gave me a bunch of code.

Would be great if you could helpHaruhiisme (talk) 16:15, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Also can you help me out with how to load images ? I have some good pics of the monks from the second bleach movie. As you can see I really suck at writing HTML codes. Haruhiisme (talk) 16:43, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hey
Yeah, sure I got it--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  17:19, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Status info.
I was wondering if it would make sense to remove anything that relates to a characters status, such as any detail in the plot descriptions or other pages that list status? Would it help at all in stopping or slowing any future arguments? Oblivion1 (talk) 00:35, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Timestamp...
Sorry, last question I promise... I went to go vote on on the featured article of the month but I realized that the timestamp reads August 31, 2:XX But where I live it's August 30, 8:XX. Is there anyway to change this?

Why am I not eligible?Oblivion1 (talk) 03:35, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Committee Inactivity Level
Actually SerialSniper14 came on during the new lieutenant debate and said "[Bleach_Wiki_talk:Policy_%26_Standards_Committee/Archive_1#Selection_of_new_Fukutaicho_.26_New_Committee_Member|I'm glad to see things are still running smoothly here and I soon hope to be around more often]." I spoke to SerialSniper14 before that about resigning from the committee since SerialSniper14 has been concentrating on the Spartacu wiki. This was back in July. The reply was that "It's true my time has been a little strained but I try to stop in here from time to time. I don't want to resign unless I can certainly say I can no longer commit myself to the wiki. I'll keep in touch. Hope all is well." So its not that SerialSniper14 hasn't been communicating. He has. But it is true that he hasn't had time to edit here. Tinni  (Talk)  21:18, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Let me think about it and I'll see what can be done. I'll probably leave SerialSniper14 another message and see if he can give a time frame as to when he'll be more active again and just again that perhaps its time to quit the committee. Based on SerialSniper14's reply, I'll determine how best to proceed. Tinni  (Talk)  06:46, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

The Source of the problems
So Devilhand found where all of those people who wanted Gin's status changed. They all come from the bleach forums. Scrolling through their thread on it, I found that they are using Bleach Wiki:Simplified ruleset to justify their actions. They believe that rule 3 gives them free reign to do what they want because they believe it is helping the wiki. Seeing as all of our other policies are easy to find and well flushed out, is there even a reason to have the simplified rules?--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  21:36, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. 23:25, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Haha, yeah. I definitely see where all the frustration comes from now. Alot of the time I have to just walk away for a little to cool off so I dont go into a rage over some of the stuff I see--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  01:36, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

September Feat. Article
We need a tie break vote for Septembers featured article. 14:24, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

The hell?
Sorry, but, what the fuck are you talking about???

Let me make things clear for you before you start pointing the finger since you can't be bothered doing so yourself:

- I made the edits regarding Appaci and moved the page.

- The user Arrancar came to my talk page and said I can't move things like that and I had to follow some rules. I apologized and said I misunderstood the project rules.

- I made the edits regarding Mila Rose, Sung-Sun and started the Sexta Fracción as well but didn't move anything taking into account what Arrancar said about moves (he didn't complained about the edits, just the moving), so I simply commented on the project page that I made the edits and asked the admins to move the pages themselves (as the rules said).

- The user Arrancar came to my talk page saying he reverted all the edits (except Appaci) and that I shouldn't edit anything like that (now the problem was not just moving but the whole editting).

- I complained about his/her tone on his/her talk page but DIDN'T EDIT A SINGLE THING IN THE WHOLE WIKIA AFTER THAT.

So, HOW can you say "you chose and still choose not to respect those policies just as all are expected to" and "taking a tone as if it doesn't matter if it explicitly stated not to do as you so choose". Honestly... - Fraccion (talk) 15:20, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

I am saying I never did anything wrong? I apologized a lot already! I mean... forget it, reading your reply just makes even more obvious you didn't even bother reading my messages before you just stepped in like a bull. Everything you say just makes obvious that someone just told you what was happening and you acted based on what was told you instead of reading it by yourself. And, oh, I will be banned? Haven't you realized I am not doing edits anymore since the said "incident" by my own volition? -___- jeez - Fraccion (talk) 02:01, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Archiving
I just recently archived one of my talk pages and on my new talk page I can't figure out how to get that contents box to show up. Do you have any idea how to get that to show up? Thanks. UraharaHitsugaya (talk) 03:08, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind I just figured it out. Sorry for any troubles. UraharaHitsugaya (talk) 03:15, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

wikia rankings
Hey Salubri, i saw your post on the policy and standards commitee page where you said this wikia was ranked 3rd out of all the anime's (which is frankly ridiculous as ive been on narutopedia and its much less efficient than this one), anyway i was wondering where you went to see these rankings. Thanks for any info. GinIchimaru (talk) 17:42, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Wiki Projects
Hey Salubri, I created an account a little while ago, and have been reviewing the wiki policies and guidelines for the last couple of weeks. Now that I'm done, I'd like to become more involved in the wiki. Any suggestions for editing, or any wiki projects that could use another hand? Thanks PrinceNero (talk) 20:04, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Archiving
Ok thanks 15:39, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Anime article
Hey i just put a reference in a recent article for an edit someone had many previously. However there is an error code at the botton of that page now, i dont know why this is as i did the reference the same way i always do and its usually fine. Since im not tech savy in this respect could you have a look for me. Thanks. GinIchimaru (talk) 01:23, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Disregard the above idiocy please. Thanks. GinIchimaru (talk) 01:28, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Fight Prologues
Hello, I've been typing up a draft of what will end up becoming the Ichigo Kurosaki & Uryū Ishida vs. The Menos Grande article, but I've been having difficulty in deciding what should go into the draft. Some of the other fight articles have rather large prologues, while others cover just the moments right before the fight. So in this case, do I start with the moment Uryu starts the competition, or right before the Menos Grande comes in? Mohrpheus (talk) 13:09, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Galleries
Ah, been a while since I bothered you with my Gallery questions. But I wanted to flag some old files to have their stacks cleared and found that I can't do so, since when I try to add them to a gallery, the "Gallery" only allows me to add recently uploaded files or to upload new files from my computer, so how can I do this? I don't know if I'm explaining myself, sorry for that. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  00:40, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Speculating
Sorry if that's how it seems. The attack looked different than any other Cero, seeing as it wasn't a beam, so saying it was a Cero would be speculation. By extension that implies he is a Hollow, which he has stated he has "transcended." I didn't remove any of the references or the information, I combined the two energy blast sections together, because they didn't seem to be all that different, though looking back, they could probably stay separate. Mohrpheus (talk) 14:43, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see you blocked the Aizen page; that's for the best, I suppose. This would probably be better discussed on Aizen's talk page - I started a topic about this there. I didn't intend to be so confrontational about article content. Sorry again. Mohrpheus (talk) 14:50, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed you removed alot of stuff from Aizen's ability's: as for the enhanced spiritual power i also agree it was a big strech. But i think we could keep the enhanced kidou one: the kidou mechanics(dunno if i spelled it right) page say that the power of the kido is variable by the use of the incantation and power of the user. Aizen power when he used the "Black Coffin" was much stronger than before, so the power of the spell would also be stronger.Darksusanoo (talk) 15:14, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just because the spell didn't work on Ichigo didn'it mean the spell itself wasn't enhanced..........or Aizen's power's. It just meant the Ichigo was even stronger than that. Aizen probably used the incantation of the "Black Coffin" in order to increase the spell's power even further after Ichigo stopped his blade and he wanted to use something that he would be sure it worked.Darksusanoo (talk) 15:50, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed you removed alot of stuff from Aizen's ability's: as for the enhanced spiritual power i also agree it was a big strech. But i think we could keep the enhanced kidou one: the kidou mechanics(dunno if i spelled it right) page say that the power of the kido is variable by the use of the incantation and power of the user. Aizen power when he used the "Black Coffin" was much stronger than before, so the power of the spell would also be stronger.Darksusanoo (talk) 15:14, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just because the spell didn't work on Ichigo didn'it mean the spell itself wasn't enhanced..........or Aizen's power's. It just meant the Ichigo was even stronger than that. Aizen probably used the incantation of the "Black Coffin" in order to increase the spell's power even further after Ichigo stopped his blade and he wanted to use something that he would be sure it worked.Darksusanoo (talk) 15:50, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just because the spell didn't work on Ichigo didn'it mean the spell itself wasn't enhanced..........or Aizen's power's. It just meant the Ichigo was even stronger than that. Aizen probably used the incantation of the "Black Coffin" in order to increase the spell's power even further after Ichigo stopped his blade and he wanted to use something that he would be sure it worked.Darksusanoo (talk) 15:50, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Transcendent issue
I'm sorry. I didn't realize I have done something wrong. Transcendent race was my first thing I did on any Wiki. I thought that it is ok to say that Ichigo is Transcendent because it was stated in last manga scan. I see that you have much more experiance with this Wiki. Sorry for vandalisam one more.

Blocked article
When will Aizen's article be unblocked?

Sorry I asked about Aizen's not Ichigo'sDarksusanoo (talk) 17:05, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Aizen's abilities
Three times Aizen in his 3 form has shown a weird form of high-speed movement that kinda looks like teleportation. Should it be stated in his page? It dosen't look like Flash step, Sonido, or the Quincy version.

Aizen also showed regeneration nad that is pretty evident. My question is: "High-speed regenaration" is a "hollow only" term or can it be used to describe how Aizen healed from Ichigo's slash?

Regarding the Discussion on Aizen's Page
Hey Salubri, I wasn't talking about the content of what was being said itself. I was actually referring to grammatical errors and such. There is a lot in Aizen's page that needs looked at, especially in the part about his fourth form. So whenever it gets unlocked Grammar Corner needs to take a look at his page. Ltjuno (talk) 17:13, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Sōsuke_Aizen
Besides adding some details to the description of the wings (from bat-like to sheet-like), nothing in that was different from content in the article. It was grammar corrections, spelling corrections, and a correction of the current version's rather terrible mixup of "horizontal" and "vertical". The draft on the talk page needs to be copied over the current section. Glorious  CHAOS!  19:17, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Aizen image
I put the manga images in Bleach_Wiki_talk:Image_Gallery. I made a Kongōbaku gif back in May and its on the individual page. But I guess you want the other gifs remade. I'll do them now. Tinni  (Talk)  20:47, September 9, 2010 (UTC)