Board Thread:Improvements and Issues/@comment-957629-20190502121436/@comment-2166797-20190518075043

Xilinoc wrote: Hey, look, ShadowRuler, I'm sorry if I'm coming across as dismissive of the idea of working on light novel/non-canon stuff, because I assure you that I have no problem with it being integrated into articles within the guidelines of the wiki, and neither do any of the mods or admins (far as I'm aware). The problem is, in the 2.5 years since the manga has ended and these novels have been released, all of two people that I can recall have actually gone past bringing up their existence and into the realm of "how can we make this work/how should I put these in" - you, and Timjer. Everyone else has just whined, and complained, and insulted us for not doing this and that and the other thing with these novels that, quite frankly, people only started caring about the concept of with the end of the manga (I don't recall anyone getting on our case about Bleach: The Honey Dish Rhapsody not being properly filled out and mentioned in every relevant page, for example). There's absolutely no problem with people wanting this content on the wiki in some form or another; the problem stems from people only wanting to tell us "DO SOMETHING!!!", then berate us for not following orders instead of being constrictive or doing the work themselves. Only recently has any headway been made because Timjer started actually working on the novel page, filling out summaries and the like, while everyone else has kept howling. You mentioned that you've only just come back recently, so I don't blame you for missing the debacles on this wiki about this topic, but believe it or not, I was actually eager to work in the novel stuff when it was initially released, since for the first time in a while we were actually getting translations and people seemed to care. Then I started learning details about the story and the uneven translation quality, and we started getting thread after thread of people just haranguing us about every itty bitty detail for two years straight, to the point where I'm just burnt out on the concept and want to stick to the other work that still needs to be done on the wiki (because believe me, there's a lot of it). That's why I came into this thread guns blazing, particularly because it was meant as a question-posing forum to begin with (and was for the first couple replies) but quickly turned into an airing of grievances against the faculty once Ten and his brigade caught wind of it. With no stake in the novels myself, I was content to let it be till that happened. All the threads and subsections we've shut down over this topic have been due to the discussion inevitably going in that direction, and it wouldn't surprise me if the same happened here (though I won't pull that trigger, not my right to do so here). It has simply become a sinkhole of a topic in most instances.

As I mentioned in my last post, all actual work on novel-related content is welcome as long as people follow our policies and guidelines, and actually hashing out how to do that is something I and others would very much like to do. Toxicity toward the wiki and its staff in the form of brigading threads and hurling insults, however, is not, because all that does is shut down what could be legitimate work put in and derail the conversation. I'd really like nothing more than to see every page on this wiki filled out to the fullest and in its best state, and you want the same and are working toward it, so I promise I won't stoop down to the personal level again in this thread and will try my best to work things out with you if you want to keep this going: but I am firm on enforcing policies and not bowing to pressure from bad actors.

I would honestly love to discuss that, but when I say I've been gone for some time, I do mean some time. I made my stage debut on a fanfiction wiki as well, and that was nearly a decade ago. So it actually does hurt me to some degree, to see you debase the value of certain comments partially because their authors have a background in fanfiction, when I myself attempted to play my part in that activity some time ago. I believe the issue here is that, in short, no one can come to an agreement on what should be done. The voices here speak true: light novel content should be added to the main body of an article, this isn't just Narita, this is Kubo as well. Yet your voices ring with equal vigor: Our policies say no.

Can policies not be changed? Would it not be in this wikis best interest to look into altering ironclad rules for the sake of being more accommodating? I can understand how a large task makes one weary, in both soul and body; believe me, I understand the sentiment. And it must hurt that your excitement was dampened by negative experiences from the fanbase you're trying to cater to. But if any time is the time for change, it should be now. Just as your policy was penned by your own hands, it can be altered by those same hands. You shouldn't be so stringent to adhere to dated rule when these new additions clearly fall into the series' established story, and dutifully expand on it in such wonderful ways.

If I was to edit an article this instant, and add information from the novels, would I see it there by the next day? Would I see it there within a mere few minutes? Or would your canon policy demand it be removed? And if so, does that not bar people who want to edit on this wiki with novel content from editing in a way they find meaningful?