Bleach Wiki:Chat/May 13, 2012

 [12:00]  Hi, we have new chat rules. Please read Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy. You must have ten edits to actual articles to be here. [12:00]  hi [12:09]  Hi, we have new chat rules. Please read Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy. You must have ten edits to actual articles to be here. [12:09]  hi [03:51]  Hi, we have new chat rules. Please read Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy. You must have ten edits to actual articles to be here. [03:57]  Hi, we have new chat rules. Please read Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy. You must have ten edits to actual articles to be here. [03:57]  Yo. [03:57]  hey [03:57]  What's going on today? [03:58]  I'm sick...again [03:58]  Ouch [03:58]  other than losing my mind, I'm fine lol [03:58]  I'm sorry to hear that. [03:58]  thanks [03:58]  That's good. [03:58] <Arrancar109> I'm not up to too much. Obviously waiting for Bleach [03:59] <Arrancar109> I'm considering seeing this movie. [03:59] <Arrancar109> (Prometheus) [03:59] <Lemursrule> I also had a nightmarish situation of getting my mom a smartphone and waiting for bleach [03:59] <Lemursrule> should be good [03:59] <Arrancar109> Uh oh (for the phone thing) [03:59] <Lemursrule> I am seeing Dark Shadows with my mom tomorrow and I will see Avengers soon [04:00] <Lemursrule> Don't ever get a phone at target [04:00] <Arrancar109> I would never do that. [04:00] <Arrancar109> Anyway, I'm going to take a friend to see the Avengers tomorrow. [04:00] <Arrancar109> Got my candy to sneak into the theater too. :p [04:00] <Arrancar109> I'm not paying $10.00 for a box of milk duds. [04:01] <Lemursrule> the thing was my mom does not want a data plan so I decided to get a pre-paid phone and switch the sim card. At yeah I buy my candy at a chain called 5 below where I live I can get 5 boxes of movie theater size candy for $5 [04:02] <Arrancar109> I wonder when the actual filler episode will come up. I know it's soon, but I'm wondering how soon. [04:03] <Arrancar109> THe one where they spend the entire episode closing the Garganta. [04:03] <Lemursrule> I don't remember that episode, was it filler [04:04] <Arrancar109> One of the few episodes that defines the word. [04:04] <Arrancar109> Like that Bount arc episode where the mod souls set up useless traps in Ichigo's house. [04:04] <Arrancar109> Right, like Orihime has that kind of power. [04:05] <Lemursrule> heh [04:06] <Arrancar109> Koga definitely needed therapy. [04:06] <Lemursrule> yeah [04:06] <Arrancar109> Maybe he wouldn't have been as much of an ass if he did. [04:06] <Lemursrule> yeah [04:06] <Arrancar109> Man, where is everyone today? [04:07] <Lemursrule> dont know [04:07] <Lemursrule> forgot presents for mother's day and are scrambling? [04:07] <Arrancar109> Good point. [04:07] <Arrancar109> You and I (as well as several others on the Wiki) are very well aware that Byakuya would have been punished for his pretend rebellion, despite his clan's rules. [04:08] <Lemursrule> I "love" how the anime treats the menos like they're nothing [04:08] <Arrancar109> Heh. [04:10] <Lemursrule> I will admit muramasa's hollow form is impressive [04:10] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [04:11] <Lemursrule> One of the better filler designs imo [04:11] <Arrancar109> Which one was the worst? [04:11] <Lemursrule> the toju [04:11] <Arrancar109> Heh. Of course. [04:11] <Arrancar109> Shut up Orihime. [04:11] <Arrancar109> (the new "Shut up Meg") [04:11] <Lemursrule> heh heh [04:12] <Lemursrule> The thing is the anime orihime is more annoying and too poetic than manga orihime [04:12] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [04:13] <Arrancar109> I'm really hoping Kubo truly has stepped up her game. [04:13] <Arrancar109> The fact that she was willing to injure Kugo gave me some hope for her. [04:13] <Lemursrule> yeah [04:14] <Lemursrule> I think everyone's power will be needed to defeat the vanderiech I don't think Ichigo alone can defeat them [04:14] <Arrancar109> Definitely. [04:14] <Lemursrule> Thats why I believe Kubo did the group shot [04:14] <Lemursrule> They finally work as a team [04:14] <Arrancar109> Yeah. It was something that was needed since the beginning. [04:15] <Arrancar109> They always fought their own battles. They never cooperated together all at once. [04:15] <Arrancar109> Uryu will definitely be getting a lot of coverage in this arc, since the Vandenreich are Quincies. [04:16] <Lemursrule> Thats what this whole arc will be about, mark my words the arrancar and hollows unite, the soul reapers, humans, etc [04:16] <Arrancar109> Old Quincy vs. New Quincies [04:17] <Arrancar109> Muramasa towards the end was tolerable. THe rest of this arc was pretty boring, and certain aspects of it annoyed me. [04:17] <Arrancar109> Shut up Orihime. [04:18] <Arrancar109> Orihime must have really pissed off the UlquiHime fans in this arc. [04:18] <Lemursrule> yeah [04:19] <Lemursrule> that shot between rukia and orihime was...intresting [04:21] <Godismebot> Hi, we have new chat rules. Please read Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy. You must have ten edits to actual articles to be here. [04:21] <Lemursrule> hey blossom [04:21] <Blossomofdeath> Hi. [04:21] <Godismebot> Hi, we have new chat rules. Please read Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy. You must have ten edits to actual articles to be here. [04:22] <Blossomofdeath> You guy were talking about pairings again? [04:22] <Blossomofdeath> guys. [04:22] <Arrancar109> Kinda. [04:22] <Arrancar109> And I was about to shift it into one, but only out of mere curiosity. [04:22] <Arrancar109> Computer's a bit slow right now. [04:22] <Godismebot> Hi, we have new chat rules. Please read Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy. You must have ten edits to actual articles to be here. [04:22] <Arrancar109> So before I even make the attempt, you guys wanna hear it or not? [04:23] <Blossomofdeath> okay. [04:23] <Arrancar109> Lemur? [04:24] <Blossomofdeath> probably the internet again. [04:24] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [04:25] <Arrancar109> I'm going to go ahead, but I warn you it's weird. [04:25] <Arrancar109> But again, it's only because I'm curious behind it. [04:25] <Blossomofdeath> Alright. go. [04:26] <Arrancar109> I'm not trying to add fuel to weird fanfic pairings, but given how many Bleach fans liked this arc, I'm surprised there aren't a whole lot of MuraHime fans around. The whole concept is close to non-existent. [04:26] <Blossomofdeath> i've.. never thought about that. [04:27] <Godismebot> Hi, we have new chat rules. Please read Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy. You must have ten edits to actual articles to be here. [04:28] <Godismebot> Hi, we have new chat rules. Please read Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy. You must have ten edits to actual articles to be here. [04:28] <Arrancar109> Thing is Orihime knows (somehow) that Muramasa's in pain. Isn't that usually an incentive behind most half-baked romance ideas? (fanfic or not) [04:28] <Arrancar109> *(fanfic or actual novel) [04:29] <RenjiLuv2> she can read pain or emotions. it comes with her powers [04:29] <Lemursrule> hi guys\ [04:29] <Arrancar109> And sorry for the weirdness guys. [04:29] <Blossomofdeath> one little thing happens and a pairing is created. All Orihime did was heal him. And no, renji, not true. [04:29] <Arrancar109> Especially you, Sal. [04:29] <Arrancar109> Somehow, I get the feeling I made you barf. [04:29] <Salubri> yea [04:30] <Blossomofdeath> If you absolutely had to support a fan pairing, which would it be? [04:30] <RenjiLuv2> i read that somewhere though [04:30] <Arrancar109> A logical one. [04:30] <Arrancar109> Even the Big 2 are hugely illogical. [04:30] <Blossomofdeath> i would actually support ichihime. [04:31] <Arrancar109> Tinni, I know, does. [04:31] <Lemursrule> sorry I left setting up my mom's smart phone [04:31] <Arrancar109> Lemur, your thoughts on my curious thoughts regarding fan logic behind a virtually non-existent fan pairing? [04:32] <Arrancar109> And that's okay, BTW. [04:32] <RenjiLuv2> do you guys know why they leave us hanging on the good parts? [04:32] <Arrancar109> So we can come back for more. [04:33] <Blossomofdeath> it's fun and terrible. [04:33] <RenjiLuv2> yeah but it takes too long [04:33] <Lemursrule> well...you know my feelings about CERTAIN pairings (cough Nnoinel), but I agree pairings are redicules [04:33] <Lemursrule> spelling grr [04:33] <Arrancar109> Yep. [04:34] <Arrancar109> Like I said, I don't put stock behind it, but even that virtually non-existent one has more substance than UlquiHime. Orihime at least (somehow) understands Muramasa's emotions. [04:34] <Arrancar109> Ulquiorra has no emotions. Anything from him makes no sense. :p [04:34] <Lemursrule> which came from nowhere [04:34] <Blossomofdeath> Ulquihime disgusts me. [04:34] <RenjiLuv2> yeah hes not my favorite [04:35] <Blossomofdeath> If you picture Ulquiorra as areal person, it's actually kind of weird. [04:35] <Lemursrule> yeah [04:35] <Arrancar109> Yeah. Most people don't act like that. Even the most serious ones still have emotions. [04:35] <RenjiLuv2> i agree [04:36] <Blossomofdeath> Well, ulquiorra had ONE outburst. [04:36] <Arrancar109> And the anime ruins that shot by not zooming in at his face when it happens. [04:36] <RenjiLuv2> he only believes what he see's. and you cant SEE amotion [04:37] <RenjiLuv2> ulquiorra [04:37] <Arrancar109> Hopefully Blossom will be back. [04:37] <RenjiLuv2> yeah [04:37] <Arrancar109> Connection problems happen a lot here. [04:37] <RenjiLuv2> really? [04:38] <RenjiLuv2> it doesn't happen to me [04:38] <Arrancar109> It depends on the individual's service or computer. [04:38] <RenjiLuv2> ever [04:38] <RenjiLuv2> oh. that makes sense [04:38] <Arrancar109> Anyway, let's move on from this pairing business, since it seems like we're drifting away from in anyway. [04:38] <Arrancar109> And since I don't want to make Sal barf anymore. [04:39] <RenjiLuv2> i like ichigo and rukia together. i dont know what they call that pair though [04:39] <Arrancar109> The Toju arc will be coming up soon, and I know Lemur doesn't look forward to making blogs about it. [04:40] <RenjiLuv2> why not? [04:40] <Arrancar109> The Toju arc is practically a bunch of one-shot episodes lumped together to form a single arc, and it has no structure like most arcs do. [04:41] <Lemursrule> yeah [04:41] <RenjiLuv2> oh [04:41] <RenjiLuv2> that would be hard to blog [04:41] <Arrancar109> They try to give character development to some of the Zanpakuto spirits in each episode, but it's only for those one episodes they're featured in, and they don't leave a lasting impression for it to matter, even for filler. [04:42] <Arrancar109> The only episode I know is an exception is that one episode where Orihime makes a new friend, and even then, it holds the problem as the rest of those episodes: no lasting effect on the arc. Kyoko (the character in that episode) is never seen again after that. [04:43] <Lemursrule> yeah [04:44] <Arrancar109> Seems like we lost the rookies. Should we go ahead and shift our discussions back towards the current manga arc? [04:44] <Salubri> this is a horrible topic of conversation, isnt there something more relevant in bleach to talk about [04:44] <Arrancar109> Hence why I just proposed that. [04:45] <Arrancar109> Before we got onto the Zanpakuto arc, we were talking about theories regarding the Vandenreich arc. [04:45] <Arrancar109> Lemur believes everyone will play a part in this arc. [04:45] <Arrancar109> Everyone in Ichigo's group. [04:46] <Arrancar109> My guess is everyone relevant, including Ichigo's group. [04:46] <Arrancar109> Sad to say, I still think those characters who had little coverage, especially those in the Gotei 13, are doomed to be cannon fodder. [04:47] <Arrancar109> Unohana would be the only exception, if you don't think she was covered too much in the story. [04:48] <Salubri> basicaly [04:49] <Arrancar109> I'm still wondering about the war potentials the Vandenreich keep mentioning, since there's 5 of them. [04:49] <Arrancar109> Ichigo we know is 1. [04:49] <Arrancar109> I think others would be Urahara, Isshin, Ryuken, and Uryu. [04:50] <Arrancar109> What about you, Sal? [04:50] <Arrancar109> Who do you think the others are? [04:51] <Godismebot> My guess is that everyone who has played a role before will play a role again + some of the lieutenants [04:51] <Lemursrule> be right back guys [04:51] <Arrancar109> Alright Lemur. [04:52] <Salubri> umm war potential [04:52] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [04:52] <Arrancar109> The ones they perceive as the biggest threats to their plans. [04:52] <Arrancar109> I know power-wise, Uryu doesn't have much to say, but given that he's a Quincy, he probably has some significance to the Vandenreich. [04:53] <Arrancar109> Especially Kirge says his arrows shouldn't be stronger than Uryu's. [04:53] <Salubri> well if there are 5 [04:53] <Godismebot> Ichigo, Uryu, Ryuken, Orihime, Sado [04:53] <Salubri> one is ichigo [04:53] <Salubri> i dont think uryu figures into it [04:53] <Godismebot> I have a feeling Ichigo's group is infamous by now [04:53] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [04:54] <Arrancar109> I might be wrong about Urahara though. They didn't mention him when they went to Hueco Mundo. [04:54] <Salubri> Uryu's abilities operate off of outdated and limited concepts of the capabilities of a quincy [04:54] <Arrancar109> So, assuming I'm wrong about Urahara, I don't have another person in mind who would be replacing him in that theory. [04:55] <Godismebot> But Sal, Kirge said that Uryu should be stronger than him [04:55] <Salubri> Ichigo would be one cause he is unique among Shinigami [04:55] <Salubri> he said Uryu's arrows shouldnt be weaker [04:55] <Salubri> he never said he was stronger [04:56] <Salubri> As i just said though Uryu is operating on outdated techniques. It stands to reason his capabilites arent even up to par in general nevermind being capable of the stuff Kirge is capable of [04:57] <Lemursrule> sorry guys I'm bac [04:57] <Lemursrule> back [04:57] <Arrancar109> Uryu may be using old Quincy techniques but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be on their list of war potentials. [04:57] <Godismebot> Uryu is known as a Quincy prodigy [04:57] <Salubri> why would he be, they can do what he can do and then some [04:57] <Arrancar109> Aside from that, even Mayuri comments on his talent as a Quincy. [04:58] <Godismebot> I dont think it would be out of the question to see Uryu knowing a lot more than we think [04:58] <Salubri> mayuri said he must be a genius, but mayuri has only seen quincy of the outdated type [04:58] <Lemursrule> I agree with that God [04:58] <Salubri> ufortunately that doesnt add up [04:59] <Arrancar109> Perhaps, but even going by your logic, Sal, why would Kirge say that Uryu's arrows shouldn't be weaker than his own? Even if his Quincy techniques are considered outdated, doesn't it seem odd for Kirge to say that about Uryu's arrows? [05:00] <Lemursrule> still adds up more than this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWehq1DTWiE [05:01] <Arrancar109> I'm not saying Uryu has the potential to overwhelm Kirge or other powerful Vandenreich members, but there's some sort of meaning behind mentioning that. [05:01] <Salubri> Logically he would expect that the boy would have greater power then what he has shown, this is natural thinking, we have seen this when we were introduced to ryuken. With what little we have seen from him its obvious his capabilites outclass his sons greatly [05:01] <Salubri> When it come to Uryu I think it will come down to whose side he is on though [05:03] <Arrancar109> Wow. Lemur, that's a trippy ending. [05:03] <Salubri> Basically it would an issue of his power should be greater then what it is. Though im more concerned about his and Ryuken's interaction with the Vandenreich [05:04] <Salubri> i see them siding with their own people over the shinigami and ichigo and them [05:04] <Arrancar109> Not necessarily Uryu though. [05:04] <Lemursrule> Gaianex are my heroes the are the masters of trolling [05:05] <Arrancar109> It's true that he doesn't like the soul reapers, but he did say that he understood their point of view regarding what the Quincies were doing before they were supposedly wiped out. [05:05] <Salubri> Yes him too, he wouldnt even go to hueco mundo, he doesnt particullary care for shinigami either, [05:05] <Arrancar109> And that he actually took their side regarding their methods. [05:05] <Lemursrule> thats true [05:05] <Salubri> how much things change when you find out your not the last of your kind though [05:07] <Arrancar109> I think Uryu would take the logical point over whatever love of his people you think he has. He prides himself on being a Quincy, yes, but I have sincere doubts that however deep his fondness of his race goes would jeopardize his judgement on how their actions weight upon the world. [05:07] <Arrancar109> Since they're still causing a balancing problem. [05:07] <Arrancar109> *weigh upon the world. [05:07] <Arrancar109> I have no excuse for having that typo. [05:10] <Salubri> Quincy dont care about balance. He cares more about the pride of the quincy then saving anything. He refused to help in hueco mundo as it wasnt a quincy problem. All the logic in the world with understanding the shinigami point of view about killing off the quincy doesnt stop him from using the same abilities to kill hollows and disrupt the balance himself. [05:15] <Arrancar109> He does have those abilities, but you seem to be making him out as some sort of heartless monster. In that sense of thinking, why did he go to Hueco Mundo to save Orihime? Why did he save Renji when he barely even knew him? Why should he have stopped Ichigo from carving up Ulquiorra's decaying corpse when he already practically wasted him? [05:15] <Arrancar109> Though, I do admit that it does carry away from our argument here. [05:16] <Salubri> If he isnt on board im sure he will be in one way or another, even if he wasnt he cant stand against the vandenreich he isnt powerful enough. Also to that point previously you mentioned him possibly knowing more. Doubtful there is apparently alot we dont know about quincy and he seems to know even less. If anyone knows anything it Ryuken, we still dont know where he stands on anything. [05:16] <Arrancar109> Balancing, he may not care, but it's obvious enough he cares about his friends to some extent. [05:16] <Arrancar109> And I want to see God's thoughts, but that's assuming he returns from being away. [05:17] <Arrancar109> Yeah, Ryuken definitely would know more about it than Uryu, out of the two of them. [05:17] <Arrancar109> Though, if they even have some connection still remains a mystery. [05:17] <Salubri> Like is said if they do Ryuken would probably be the guy with the answers [05:18] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [05:18] <Arrancar109> Still, you didn't list your speculative list of the war potentials. [05:18] <Arrancar109> Though, from what I've seen, I think Ryuken's on that list. [05:18] <Salubri> there has to be a reason he turned his back of the quincy, his father didnt seem the type to be a mean tyrant, so its obviously a difference of opinion on something [05:19] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [05:19] <Arrancar109> I think we would be seeing some things about Ryuken here. [05:19] <Salubri> we dont even know what a war potnetial means [05:19] <Arrancar109> True. [05:19] <Arrancar109> We don't have a confirmed meaning. [05:20] <Salubri> its obviously no one is soul society otherwise they wouldnt attack it [05:20] <Salubri> they seem keen to get there and attack it while ichigo is busy in hueco mundo though [05:20] <Arrancar109> That was my line of thinking too. Not anyone in Soul Society. [05:21] <Arrancar109> Hence why my list pertains to those who are in Karakura Town. [05:21] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [05:21] <Salubri> they only acknowledge ichigo despite orihime and chad being with him so those two are out as well [05:22] <Arrancar109> That's also why I'm considering ruling out Urahara as well. [05:22] <Arrancar109> He definitely possesses both the power and the intellect to be a threat to them, but at the same time, they didn't say anything about him when he entered Hueco Mundo with Ichigo. [05:23] <Salubri> i would think whoever they are they would have to be unique. Shinigami wouldnt be it, i would say the visored but there are more then 5 that arent currently captains or otherwise [05:24] <Salubri> Ichigo, karin, Ururu, Jinta, tatsuki maybe [05:24] <Arrancar109> That's an interesting list there. [05:25] <Arrancar109> What do you think that would mean for Tatsuki and Karin then? [05:25] <Salubri> ichigo, yamamoto, unohana, shunsui, and ukitake or Isshin assuming war potentials mean the most powerful shinigami [05:27] <Lemursrule> yeah it appears that at the very least Ichigo and Yamamoto will be involved [05:27] <Salubri> hi-spec medium capability very recently for Karin and developing for Tatsuki so who knows assuming that war potential means highly spiritually aware humans [05:28] <Salubri> we just dont know [05:28] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [05:29] <Salubri> As far as the death issue, idk, i mean realistically unless killing the character serves a purpose to the story its not likely alot of people will die. I see alot of random no name people dying though [05:29] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [05:29] <Arrancar109> Which brings me to this. [05:30] <Salubri> killing chojiro served a greater purpose, they have pissed off Yamamoto [05:30] <Arrancar109> Any of you think Yamamoto will die in the arc? Not now, obviously, but at some point (likely towards the end)? [05:30] <Salubri> Doubt it, killing him presents a problem in general [05:30] <Arrancar109> Lemur? [05:31] <Salubri> 1. no one can replace him 2. what does it say when the most powerful character is defeated 3 his death is the end of the Gotei 13 [05:32] <Lemursrule> I think Yamamotto might possibly die at the very end... and I mean very very end. otherwise I would say no, I believe Shunsui and Ukitake have a higher probability of dying than yamamoto [05:33] <Arrancar109> I'm still not too sure, one way or another. Don't get me wrong, I understand your points, Sal, but we still don't have a whole lot to gauge the Vandenreich's ability or strength. Heck, we still don't know what their leader can do. [05:33] <Arrancar109> [05:34] <Arrancar109> Overpower Yama, definitely not, but if he developed the ability to seal a Bankai, then we don't know what else he can do. [05:34] <Arrancar109> It wouldn't be the only thing they would consider their ace in the hole. [05:35] <Salubri> not really an ace if its known [05:35] <Arrancar109> True, but it still significantly hinders those who can use Bankai. [05:35] <Arrancar109> Namely the captains, but we haven't seen it used against them yet. [05:36] <Salubri> the person with the best knowledge of what they are facing is mayuri, he is also been on the receiving end of the Quincy: final form [05:36] <Lemursrule> yeah [05:36] <Salubri> As far as killing someone at the very end, unless its the bad guy stories dont end that way [05:37] <Salubri> the concept is everything continues despite the series being over [05:37] <Arrancar109> I didn't say the bad guy wouldn't die at the end, but some stories do end with someone of great significance sacrificing themselves to make sure the bad guy dies or loses completely. [05:37] <Salubri> everyone is already trying to kill off heavy hitters for no reason [05:38] <Salubri> whose to say ichigo wont die [05:38] <Arrancar109> I never said that. [05:38] <Lemursrule> Well I can see Yamamotto dying fighting the VR leader and finishing what he should of done years ago [05:38] <Arrancar109> I acknowledged that Ichigo might end up dying. [05:38] <Lemursrule> but technically isn't Ichigo psydo-dead [05:38] <Arrancar109> Not liking that, but it definitely is a possiblity. [05:39] <Arrancar109> But he's not completely dead yet, Lemur. :p [05:39] <Lemursrule> heh heh [05:39] <Salubri> why cant he be the one the sacrifice himself. he technically is an important character and really his existence is required for any position or anything, literally if he goes everything could go back to normal [05:40] <Arrancar109> Again, never said he wouldn't die. True, I wouldn't like it, but it's definitely a possibility. [05:40] <Salubri> Geez every shinigami is technically dead [05:40] <Arrancar109> Heck, for all we know, he could be killed off before the Vandenreich are defeated. [05:40] <Lemursrule> That actually isn't a horrible idea sal it would make Ichigo different from most shonen heroes [05:40] <Salubri> well i can see that how can he survive just spamming getsuga tensho [05:41] <Arrancar109> Exactly. The main hero sacrificing himself to make sure the bad guy loses isn't unheard of. [05:41] <Lemursrule> he seriously needs a new move and I do mean NEED [05:41] <Arrancar109> yeah. [05:42] <Salubri> the biggest issue for me is how can a quincy live for a 1,000 years, the leader isnt normal [05:42] <Arrancar109> Yeah, I get that vibe from you a lot. [05:42] <Lemursrule> I wish he would train more with Zangetsu and we could actually see the training this time [05:42] <Arrancar109> You've seriously repeated that everytime you commented on a blog post. I find it a bit amusing, actually. [05:43] <Arrancar109> You're right, it is very abnormal, but we won't get an explanation until we get a flashback from the leader or Yamamoto. [05:43] <Arrancar109> Also, I'm not sure where people are getting this "Yamamoto spared him" theory from. Mayuri said he failed to kill him. [05:44] <Arrancar109> That could mean many things, not just that Yamamoto spared him. [05:44] <Lemursrule> I am going to throw out total potential crack here, but what if the VR is something hogyoku related. I know this makes no sense but as "smart" as Aizen is, I find it hard to believe he came up with the idea for the hogyoku on his own. [05:44] <Salubri> in any case the stern ritter will attack and that will likely follow the general fight formula, pair off against a prominent shinigami. The fight will go up and down and the shinigami will win and then they take the battle to the vandenreich, as supposedly the storyline isnt really supposed to be even in soul society, according to what Kubo stated. [05:44] <Arrancar109> Yama could have spared him, he could have retreated into the shadows, or he could have tricked Yama with the "look out behind you" trick. [05:44] <Arrancar109> Who the heck knows for sure? [05:45] <Arrancar109> Interesting crack theory, Lemur. [05:45] <Salubri> true [05:45] <Salubri> weird crack theory, makes no sense [05:45] <Lemursrule> yeah I know [05:46] <Arrancar109> I'm still wondering where the Vandenreich's headquarters are. [05:46] <Arrancar109> We only know that they took over Hueco Mundo. [05:46] <Arrancar109> We don't know where their head HQ is. [05:46] <Salubri> like i said usual formula [05:47] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [05:47] <Arrancar109> Though, it may be somewhere where the soul reapers don't know about. [05:47] <Lemursrule> I always imagined the hogyoku to be more of an influential spiritual being and perhaps there is more of a back story. Its the only thing I could thing that if this guy is really human that he would live for over 1000 years [05:47] <Arrancar109> It does seem unlikely, I admit, but if there's another dimension that we haven't seen yet, then who's to say they've seen it? [05:47] <Lemursrule> *think [05:47] <Salubri> that can be anything [05:48] <Salubri> like he lives off of reishi or something. The hogyoku really doesnt fit in anywhere in this situation [05:48] <Arrancar109> Hmm... [05:48] <Arrancar109> What if Aizen is a war potential? [05:48] <Lemursrule> like I said sal it was dumb to begin with, but reshi is also a good theory [05:48] <Salubri> with what power [05:49] <Lemursrule> he's immortal [05:49] <Arrancar109> He's got no powers now, I know, but Aizen's supposed to return during this arc, according to Kubo. [05:49] <Arrancar109> And yeah, there's that too. [05:49] <Arrancar109> Of course, I think he would only be a potential because he has the Hogyoku right now. [05:49] <Salubri> yea probably as a beaten prisoner like harribel [05:49] <Arrancar109> I don't think there would be a reason otherwise. [05:49] <Lemursrule> yeah [05:49] <Arrancar109> That would likely offend God if he was paying attention. :p [05:50] <Lemursrule> that would be the only justification of brining Aizen back [05:50] <Salubri> they should have cleared that up, i dont think he has the hogyuku, it rejected his influence. It may have made him "immortal" but im sure they took the actual object [05:51] <Arrancar109> Probably. He could have it, they could have confiscated it. [05:51] <Arrancar109> We really don't know. [05:51] <Lemursrule> yeah [05:51] <Arrancar109> It was never disclosed upon. [05:51] <Salubri> it really wouldnt make any logical sense but to take it [05:51] <Arrancar109> Aside from that, there aren't a whole lot of people who know how to use it. [05:51] <Lemursrule> well if they confiscated it then they could really be going up s%%t's creek [05:51] <Arrancar109> Only Aizen and Urahara do. [05:52] <Arrancar109> And it apparently can't be destroyed by normal means either. [05:52] <Salubri> urahara more so then aizen if i recall [05:52] <Arrancar109> Heck, Urahara didn't know how to destroy it. [05:52] <Lemursrule> yeah [05:52] <Salubri> urahara knows [05:52] <Salubri> remember he stated back then he didnt know how to deal with it [05:53] <Salubri> insinuating that he currently does [05:53] <Arrancar109> Urahara knew that Aizen was after it in the first place. [05:53] <Arrancar109> It's why he tried to hide it in Rukia. [05:53] <Salubri> yea Urahara is the smartest one around he would eventually figure it out [05:53] <Arrancar109> Even if he did figure it out, that doesn't mean he or anyone else known right now has the means to do it. [05:54] <Arrancar109> As smart as he is, that doesn't mean he has access to the means to do it. [05:54] <Lemursrule> even if he did know how to destroy it, central 46 probably would have been too stupid to order it destroyed stating it would cause "spiritual imbalance, blah, blah, blah." [05:54] <Arrancar109> Heh. [05:55] <Lemursrule> central 46 is basically would all politicians are... dumb. [05:55] <Salubri> that didnt make any sense arrancar [05:55] <Salubri> urahara is smart but he doesnt know how to do it [05:56] <Arrancar109> I said he doesn't have the means to do it, not the knowledge. [05:56] <Salubri> lets make it clear urahara is the smartest being in bleach [05:56] <Salubri> means is found with knowledge [05:57] <Salubri> the more he comes to understand it, hence how he set up the sealing spell on Aizen [05:57] <Arrancar109> It's like the cops saying we need to nuke the country where all the drugs are coming from the at least slow down the drug flow. The cops don't have access to nukes. [05:58] <Arrancar109> So yeah, Urahara may know how to do it, but it in no way means he has everything he needs to get it done. [05:59] <Salubri> Urahara could build a nuke in his sleep, thats the difference, it has become clear that what he wants to do and what he does are seperate. If he wanted to really devote time to destroying it he would. Beyond that its a pointless conversation [06:00] <Salubri> D [06:00] <Arrancar109> D? [06:00] <Salubri> D [06:00] <Salubri> so Ayon vs Kirge whats up with that [06:00] <Arrancar109> I say Kirge wins. [06:01] <Lemursrule> I actually have to go the bed guys good night talk to you guys soon [06:01] <Arrancar109> Bye Lemur. [06:01] <Salubri> Ayon looked like he did some damage, which goes back to the point that for all the spiritual capabilities a quincy is capable of they are still just human, just maybe a bit more durable then average [06:01] <Lemursrule> bye guys have a good one [06:01] <Salubri> night [06:01] <Lemursrule> night [06:01] <Arrancar109> Keep in mind that Uryu's Quincy Letzt Stil did a huge amount of damage. [06:01] <Arrancar109> Kirge's is supposed to be stronger than that. [06:02] <Salubri> yea, but the power he as to hit the target [06:02] <Arrancar109> And what makes you think he can't? [06:03] <Arrancar109> Either way, we still don't know what either one is capable of yet. [06:03] <Salubri> not saying he cant im saying Yamamoto can take him out and Kirge regardless of his power is no yamamoto [06:03] <Arrancar109> True. [06:03] <Salubri> thats all im saying [06:04] <Arrancar109> I still say Kirge, but since Ayon's even in the game, I'm hoping it lasts long enough for use to gauge how strong it is. [06:04] <Salubri> i expect to see a real fight, not some weak instant kill by kirge [06:04] <Arrancar109> That's what I want to see. [06:04] <Arrancar109> Ayon got butchered in Fake Karakura. [06:05] <Arrancar109> Say Ichigo's side wins. [06:06] <Arrancar109> Do you think Kirge would be alive in that situation? [06:06] <Arrancar109> I would honestly say no. The main reason to take him alive would to get information out of him. If he loses, I don't see him wanting to give any of his enemies any information. [06:07] <Salubri> I think the general personality of the Vandenreich is this undeserved sense of superiority because of the strength of their leader. The Arrancar had something similar but they all were individually strong. Kirge is strong but he obviously like the rest probably will tend to underestimate their opponents because of what they think they know about their capabilities [06:08] <Arrancar109> You think me may know enough to not try to seal Ichigo's Bankai? [06:09] <Arrancar109> Of course, this is assuming that he gets the same results as Ivan, who I'm sure is inferior in Quincy abilities to Kirge. [06:10] <Salubri> I think the whole seal the bankai thing is really a weak story device. It just seems really out of place [06:10] <Salubri> what kind of fight can u have if the person cant go all out [06:11] <Arrancar109> True, but that is something an enemy team would want: to cripple a powerful figure's ability. [06:11] <Salubri> bringing the quincy up to the level of being able to fight evenly at least was good, but the bankai sealing seems secondary and unimporant [06:11] <Arrancar109> If we see it used in action, I think it would either be used against Renji or Ikkaku. [06:12] <Arrancar109> Based on what we know, most likely Renji, but for all we know, Ikkaku's Bankai became public knowledge by now. [06:12] <Salubri> idk the bankai thing seems more like something that would be in a filler arc then in the actual canon story [06:13] <Arrancar109> Perhaps, but it's done. [06:13] <Salubri> actually it was damn near in the zanpakuto arc [06:13] <Salubri> except it was even worse at shikai level [06:14] <Arrancar109> Well, don't know what to tell you. We really don't know how many of them are capable of doing it. We know that Ivan was used as a distraction to keep Ichigo from interfering, and he was the only one who used it so far. [06:14] <Arrancar109> And it was apparently used on Sasakibe, but we don't know who did that. [06:14] <Salubri> and it didnt work, ichigo swatted it away like it was nothing [06:14] <Arrancar109> Luders was in the room with Yamamoto when Sasakibe was killed. [06:15] <Arrancar109> I think, in that regard, Ivan was nothing more than a guinea pig. [06:15] <Arrancar109> The leader wasn't expecting a whole lot out of him either way. [06:16] <Salubri> hey do u think that they need to seal the bankai in the device in order to use the stabilized quincy final form. If so kirge maybe running his off of chojiro's bankai power. Just a random thought [06:18] <Arrancar109> Could be. From what we know, it's the only thing they can do to fight on Bankai-level to begin with. To be able to maintain the Final Form could require something close to that power (if not more powerful) to stabilize it. [06:19] <Arrancar109> It pushes the human's body beyond its limits and it ultimately exhausts their spiritual power to the point where it can never be used again. Assuming this isn't going to cripple Kirge, it could work as a way to avoid that drawback. [06:21] <Salubri> exactly [06:23] <Arrancar109> At any rate, like you, I'm still wondering how the Vandenreich Leader is even alive, but I know we won't get any information about it until Kubo chooses to show some of his history, either throw his flashback or Yama's. [06:23] <Salubri> they never explain how you can stabilize something that requires such a level of power, quincy have human bodies that cant support that level of power. [06:23] <Salubri> he cant be human [06:24] <Arrancar109> Perhaps. [06:24] <Arrancar109> This actually makes me wonder about something else Kubo said in the interview. [06:25] <Arrancar109> "The enemy will start out small, but they'll increase in number." [06:25] <Arrancar109> We know they can give the Arrancar Quincy abilities, but since they had control of Hueco Mundo by the time they were introduced, I'm wondering what Kubo meant by that. [06:25] <Arrancar109> I think he might have meant something besides that. [06:25] <Arrancar109> (besides giving Arrancar Quincy abilities) [06:26] <Salubri> such as [06:28] <Arrancar109> Not sure, but we know they can give Arrancar Quincy abilities. Could they be looking into expanding their numbers through something like that? Ideally, any spiritually-aware human they can find, maybe. [06:29] <Arrancar109> Granted, they aren't exactly common, but still. [06:29] <Arrancar109> It's not like just any human can be subjected to Quincy powers, and they didn't show any signs of doing anything else in the Soul Society yet, other than attacking the Seireitei. [06:33] <Salubri> the problem is most people arent combat capable and aside from creating spirit weapons all the other abilities take years of study to achieve unless your ichigo [06:33] <Salubri> then the participants have to be willing pawns [06:33] <Arrancar109> True. [06:34] <Arrancar109> And the advantage of Arrancar is that they're already combat-capable, and can manipulate spirit energy to some extent. [06:34] <Arrancar109> Only their own, but still, that's higher than most high-spec humans and untrained Souls. [06:34] <Arrancar109> (Souls who have soul reaper potential) [06:37] <Godismebot> Hi, we have new chat rules. Please read Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy. You must have ten edits to actual articles to be here.