Forum:Muramasa Theories (Thread Closed)

He's like a mixed Ulquiorra, Kusaka from DDR and Aizen (he resembles him in the way he treats his subordinates - he seems friendly to them). Tmasterson 12:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Kinda interesting idea... What if he`s a Resurrección Spirit? He kinda looks that way...--Sleuch Mizzur 12:08, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * A lot of people are suggesting he may be Kenpachi's zanpakuto spirit. Evilgidgit 22:06, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I think that, that possibility can be added in the Trivia. Just because he shows disliking to the Shinigamis, and Kenpachi hates his Zampakutoh. Then, when Kenpachi fought against Ichigo, there was shown two "spirits", and the Muramasa's reiatsu shows to be really high. Rambard 00:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it should be entered into the trivia section yet because it's still speculation. Short of someone saying definitively that Muramasa is Zaraki's zanpakto, we won't know for sure. Angeluscado 04:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

When does Kenpachi ever say he despises his Zanpakuto? Even if that was true, there simply isn't enough proof there to say that Muramasa is the Zanpakuto of anyone in particular. It's merely speculation and fan hopes that he is Kenpachi's, but that's not enough to add to the trivia section, as stated on this wikia's Bleach_Wiki:About page. Twocents 04:34, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Also Twocents is correct Kenpachi never says anything of the like also the personality does not reflect Kenpachi's nor does his style of doing whatever he is doing. On top of that Kubo wont do something as serious as that in a anime filler. That type of information can only be presented in the manga where it can be concrete for use throughout the series.Salubri 05:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

One argument i have against him belonging to Zaraki is that the spirits seem to use their released swords (Gegetsuburi, Hōzukimaru, Kazeshini, Senbonzakura, Sode no Shirayuki, Suzumebachi, Zabimaru). We at one point see Muramasa use a sword and some kind of power but it looks nothing like Zaraki sword in anyway. I doubt it could be a bankai because the spirits can only do what there owner's were able to perform, otherwise Sode no Shirayuki would have just used bankai on Rukia

I have a feeling that Muramasa's shinigami has died at some point in past while Muramasa was away from his shinigami (same way as all zanpakutous are atm), leaving Muramasa alone. And his loneliness has made him so sad and angry that he wants to release all spirits. Akeki 21:57, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

The evidence holding together my theory is kinda flimsy, but I hope you'll all see where I'm coming from with this. I believe Muramasa could be Tessai's Zanpakuto. Now alot of people might think "Tessai is completely irrelevant to the story. Why would he all of a sudden get a story where his zanpakuto is the main antagonist." and I really don't know how to answer that. This is filler. The writers could make it about anything they want. The reasons I think it might be Tessai's are (here's the flimsy evidence): 1) Muramasa's tsuba, or guard for his sword, kinda looks like the Kido Corps symbol and 2) Instead of unsheathing his sword he kinda just summons it. It might be from a Kido-type technique, it might not. Also his zanpakuto soul releasing powers might be Kido too. That's usually how they explain non-physical/magical things in Bleach right?Ultimt evil 13:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I think that wrong hes not Karaki's or Tessai's, as of Episode 234 he said it himslef he killed his owner. Thank go hes not Zaraki why would they reveal such a mystery as what does Zaraki's zapukto spirit look like and name on a filler, is illogical.Saimaroimaru 08:36, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

My guess is that Tite Kubo would reserve Zaraki misteries for a potential "the Tales of Kempachi/Zaraki" Baronofash 09:37, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Now I know I'm wrong, but if you took the 2 seconds to notice, I posted that before ep. 234 was released. There's a number of people's zanpakutos he could still be. Ultimt evil 00:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

he is not the zanpakuto of anyone we know as he said he killed is owner many years ago Fawcettp 01:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Previous owners theories
For starters the Zanpakuto spirit of a Captain's is most likely the leader right, and which Captain has had the least respect for his zanpakuto, Zaraki, this is just a thought but of all the zanpakutos we know of none of them really had a reason to rebel except for one not to mention that Kenpachi and Yachiru are away at this time even though I know that it may have nothing to with it but it seems to fit.--SalmanH 08:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I brought this possibility up on an earlier thread and I still think Kenpachi's Zanpakuto makes an excellent source for Muramasa. The only reason I would hesitate to declare this without reservation is that this is a filler arc and so far filler arcs don't change or reveal much of anything substantive. They don't want to deviate from the manga.Great Cthulhu 09:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Didn't Kubo himself say that he wants to go into Zaraki and his zanpakuto in more depth, and he is helping out in this arc so even though it's circumstantial evidence it makes sense.--SalmanH 09:50, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Some of us suspect the same, but it is yet speculation. If you watch that blue flames when Muramasa hit the ground with his sword (ep. 230) and compare with the scene presenting Zaraki in Bleach 3rd movie's ending, something presenting the same blue flames got out from Kempachi's Zampakuto, but it could nothing too..Baronofash 12:22, 12 August 2009 (UTC).

Then let go of the fact that this is speculation and just put some of your ideas in, and '''where exactly did you watch the third bleach movie I've been looking for it for months? Seriously anyone'''.--SalmanH 13:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Well...Kenpachi has demonstrated a desire to learn more about his Zanpakuto and is trying in his own clumsy way. I'm thinking that maybe Kenpachi succeeded in drawing his blade out of its sulk a little too well. Still feeling its resentment at the disdain Kenpachi held it in for so long it took off and decided to help others shake off their masters as well. Hell...Kenpachi might be off somewhere still trying to commune with his blade and totally unaware that its 'woken up' and running amuck through Soul Society!

Which leads to some interesting speculation about what Kenpachi's Zanpakuto's actual powers are. Muramasa has demonstrated an ability to free and control other Zanpakuto...that would be devastating if that was Kenpachi's actual Bankai. Great Cthulhu 01:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

He'd definitely hate it then, and he'll probably try to never use it to keep the fight going longer, but I doubt that should he ever achieve Bankai it would grant him the ability to control other peoples zanpakutos that would be ironic.--SalmanH 05:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe Muramasa is lonely zanpakutou spirit, without Shinigami. That would explain why he wants to set all zanpakutous free, he is so frustrated because he was the only one without host. Akeki 06:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Not likely since the zanpakuto is part of the shinigami's spirit they are completely tied together and i'm not sure if abandonment is entirely possible.

Yeah, I know that, but tbh releasing zanpakutou spirit (part of soul) from Shinigami doesn't make any more sense either. Or maybe Muramasa was somehow released from his Shinigami at some point in the past and the Shinigami died for some reason, leaving Muramasa alone. Because fillers won't usually develop characters or tell us anything new, I doubt that Muramasa belongs to anyone we allready know. And loneliness would explain his anxiety for Shinigamis. Akeki 06:57, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

To answer SalmanH, you could check by looking here. I talked about the ending, I haven't say I've seen the movie indeed.Baronofash 12:22, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Well that was something, how do you know thats the 3rd movie's ending.--SalmanH 12:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, who knows... The song is Houshi Boushi, but you could watch it in Youtube if you enter Bleach 3rd movie ending. Then, as there is only 2 movies showed before, this ending belongs certainly to another movie, more purposely to Fade to Black the movie...Baronofash 14:22, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey, wait! Am I getting this right? Third MOVIE ending? The ending for Fade to Black is called Koyoi Tsuki wa Miezumono, to begin with, and EVERYONE knows that Houkiboshi is the 3rd ending of the ANIME. Sheesh. Lia Schiffer 22:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Your surely right, nothing's sure, I'd rather say I do not myself which ending it is either. cheersBaronofash 03:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

so, just guessing, but i believe that muramasa's ability also relates to earth, since he stuck it into the ground and it raised up. other things could do that, but it's the most logical. also, there aren't many earth-based zanpakutou's so that would work nicely if it was zaraki's

I have reason to believe Muramasa isn't Kenpachi's zanapakuto,for starters, all Zanpakuto Spirits carry the weapon their master uses in shikai (Wabisuke has the bent sword, Zangetsu has the huge sword, SUzumebachi has the stinger.) Muramasa's blade doesn't resemble Kenpachi's, and Kempachi's sword isnt sealed, it's like Ichigo's (In constant Shikai.)

Shini Rebirth 22:01, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Seen in the last episode, Muramasa's power relies more in magic then say Kido power. Could be a zampakuto from the 4th, Kido corp or Onmitsukido's someone. As Muramasa's hand could extract Zangetsu's spirit from Ichigo's body, I thought it is quite chirurgical practice then thought about 4th squad medical surgery technique. And how Muramasa attacked Ichigo made me thought about a hypnotic technique then thought about Aizen's sword. Of course i don't think there's relation with Aizen in any ways.Baronofash 03:51, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

After seeing the last episode (237), the last scenes (the menos part) remind me of Ashido Kano [], the shinigami who's blocked in the Forest of Menos...Ace of Spade 12:29, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Not to pull hairs here, but Baronofash, I had thought kido = some kind of magic. --Ihaveaname 15:20, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Well I don't think it is Kenpachi's zanpakuto for several reasons. One all the zanpakuto shown thus far wield their shikai states. Muramasa and Kenpachi do not have the same swords and Kenpachi's is always released so thats point one. Point two is that Muramasa clearly states that his master is dead. You cannot kill off a canon character in a filler arc. It just doesn't happen. So I think it is safe to assume that Muramasa is not Kenpachi's. Ten Tailed Fox 15:09, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

i think his shinigami was Ashido why else would he go to the menos forestKensei24 02:47, September 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * I could believe that. I mean it would be sad if Ashido died (I actually like him), but its a better point than him being Kenpachi's.Ten Tailed Fox 03:39, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

I could see him being Ashido's. Especially since, in the anime, Rukia promises to come back for him, so some fans would want an explanation as to what ends up happening with that. Unless they wanted to make him a semi-recurring character, like they've done with Noba, Ririn, etc. Twocents 03:41, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Hi I'm just new here(I really don't know how to properly add my insights, please bare with me). Just a thought though, I think Zaraki could be the owner of Muramasa, although we already know that Muramasa's owner was killed by Muramasa himself. but if you would remember before Ichigo got the name of his Zanpakuto, his sword is different from the sword that he had when he got the name of Zangetsu. right? could it be that this has a similar case with Kenpachi? but then again, I remember, that Ichigo got a different sword the moment he got is own shinigami powers back with the help of Urahara...hehehe...now I'm again confused. Browzah 08:36, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Not quite. Zaraki never knew the name of his zanpakuto, so it couldn't be the same as Ichigo, and Ichigo's sword was, as far as I can understand, always zangetsu, it's just that once it was released, it never goes back to it's sealed form. Plus his original sword was half rukia's power anyway so that makes it a bit complicated. The most likely candidates I think are Ashido or some nobody who died ages ago. It isn't going to be a manga character. BollyW 12:41, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

My opinion on this is since we have never heard the name of Zaraki's Zanpakuto or much information released on it, the reason they made him absent in the anime is because they would have to make a spirit, have him fight with Zaraki, basically tame him again.. all with everyone going, wait... when the hell did he learn his Zanpakuto's name!? Its a filler Arc and T.K doesnt care to reveal much since it has nothing to do with the Manga. Also, Yachiru's absence is explained, well.. because Zaraki isnt there. Less spirits for them to draw I think.KamikazeNewf 20:27, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Well, first off, lemme start with this. You have all been thinking only about Muramasa's wielder, but have you once noticed that, first off, he cannot be any already-seen character's zanpakuto. For one, it CAN'T be Zaraki's, case closed. I shouldn't even have to explain, but most of you are slow so I'll do it anyways. Firstly, he's a canon character as Ten Tails said. It can't ben done to kill him off in Filler, it defies the laws of Manga and Anime, and is just spitting in Kubo's face. Secondly, he can't be Ashido's simply for the fact that even if Ashido died there, Muramasa stated himself that he killed his weilder. While there are plot holes in that, let's say for the sake of arguement, he was in fact Ashido's blade. Zanpakuto, even Shinigami, from what we've seen cannot use Garganta (Save for Tosen and Urahara, but both aren't Vizards). This means, that even if he was in fact Ashido's blade, he would not be able to travel back to Soul Society and Hueco Mundo. This is also interesting as to how he can go to the Forest of Menos and back, and could even mean that he either has a power to cross dimensions which disproves my claim, or there is an Arrancar, even a Hollow working under him to cross dimensions. Honestly, he can't be Zaraki's, nor Ashido's. Plus, since Zanpakuto can't be manipulated on their own, Muramasa would've had similar ideals to Ashido, and wouldn't call the Shinigami his enemy's. In fact, he would despise Hollows for forcing this hell of his life. Now then, my own theory as to why eh was in the Forest of Menos: "When Zanpakuto spirits seperate for good, they start losing their spiritual forms due to their shinigami (death) partners are gone from the cycle of Shinigami and Zanpakuto. Thus, to maintain themselves, they need to feed off on Menos to survive as sustinence." Anyways, whether you all agree or not, it is up to the Anime to prove or disprove. So, shut up and tune in. --Seireitou-hanshi (瀞霊冬川平) 06:45, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Is it an illusion or Muramasa fought a Vasto Lorde-like Hollow in ep.239?Baronofash 01:10, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Muramasa i think was just fighting a Hollow that could do the cool glowing thing. after all thew were in the menos forest. we know that the really powerful hollows live above the forest. Muramasa did seem annoyed that his opponent was too week. Muramasa absorbing the hollow was kinda cool tho Darkgoku 06:14, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

First off Seireitou-hanshi, calling the people on this wiki slow was totally uncalled for and unnecessarily rude, it's a discussion not an argument, there's no need to take shots at people. Anyway, back to the topic, I think it's totally plausible for Muramasa to be Ashido's zanpakuto. I mean, just cuz he said that he killed his former master doesn't make it true. I mean, how often do villains lie. It was never shown and thus can't technically be proven to be either true or false. I'm very excited to find out who his master is/was and how he got to the menos forest. My theory is that he overtook his masters body and materialized himself as the dominant form, but to sustain that form he needs to absorb the energy of powerful hollow or something like that. User:bfeldz1023 3:19 am (EST)

I dont believe its Ashido's, there a bit different. Im sure the wielder is some no-name character who was just mentioned for the Arc. I dont really believe he holds any merit to the story other then he used to own Muramasa. Also, killing him makes Muramasa look tough :P KamikazeNewf 20:43, September 30, 2009 (UTC)



Like Browzah i'm kinda new here, but here's my opinion. I don't think Muramasa belongs to either Kenpachi or Ashido. Though it is possible he is Kenpachi's. When U think about it where is Kenpachi. Kenpachi is attracted to fights like a moth to fire & there has been nothing but non-stop action with the Zanpakuto's. Besides that, I think he went to Hueco Mundo to try & increase his strength. When he fought Ichigo he was intrigued by Ichigo's Inner Hollow. So I think he was trying to gain his own Hollow powers, but thats just my opinion. Minato88 01:15, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, no, it's not possible that Muramasa is Kenpachi's. Muramasa said he killed his former master, and Kenpachi is not dead; we haven't seen him thus far in this arc, but you can't kill off canon characters in a filler arc. Twocents 01:40, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Comparing pictures of Ashido's sword doesn't rule him out as a possibility. All of the released swords use their Shikai, so we don't know what that would look like for Ashido. But to be honest i'm not totally sold on it being Ashido, but maybe with mumuariso in the Meno's Forest, Ashido will make an appearance and fight him. i doubt it but it would be a nice nod to fans

Well, in the case of Muramasa being Zaraki's sword, it is impossible.

1. Zaraki was not present when the zanpakuto's were released.

2. There are no unknown zanpakuto spirits.

3. In the credits where they show the zanpakuto, there is no sign of zaraki's.

I may or may not be wrong. Someone correct me if i am. Nick4444 04:04, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


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