Forum:So Wait

Bein' the 0 Espada, does this really make him the strongest one there is? Kaihedgie 05:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Apparently so. The End 05:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Then what're we gonna indicate on the Espada template after this discovery? Kaihedgie 05:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. The End 05:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Considering that his rank tatoo changes, and that when initaly met his arm was severed when at the time ichigo couldnt even cut Ulquiorra, it is likely he is normaly the weakest espada intill he takes the time to gather enough energy and transform, then becoming the strongest. though this could just be that he removed the 1 from his tatoo as a bluff.--CloudHiro 16:29, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, maybe it's a bit of forshadowing. Like, on another piece page, somebody says that Kubo sensei wouldn't make an idiot like Yammy be the strongest. But, what if it's not about strength? Maybe Kubo sensei is hinting at something. Like, something big is gonna happen and, possibly, he could be one of, or the very, last arrancar. CashSeville 23:07, 19 April 2009 (UTC)CashSeville

He is infact the srongest as Cero rank dictates. It is merely possibly that his usual dull blundering self is the product of a Faulty sealing process where he sealed too much of his power away thus explaining the 10-0 jump. The way he messed up the sealing could even result in his apprently low intelligence and weakened HieroUser:YTOfficer0115:39 8 May 2009

Do we really believe everything that Yammy says? It's been shown numerous times that the Espada like to brag about things that turn out to be untrue (such as Zommari bragging about being the fastest, even thought it is seemingly apparent that Stark is faster; and Nniotra bragging about his hierro being uncuttable, then having Kenpachi carve him up a few chapters later). It doesn't seem wise to assume that because Yammy is apparently the cero Espada, that he's stronger than the top 4. Not to mention the fact that Yammy never actually states that he is the strongest, all he says is that the Espada are actually numbered 0-9, and that he is 0 when released. He makes no mention of being stronger than the top 4 Espada in this new released state. I was under the impression that only facts were allowed on the pages of this Wiki, and stating that Yammy is the strongest Espada when released is purely conjecture at this point, it has never been stated that he is strongest. It's just speculation, logical speculation based on the previously known numbering system, but still speculation nonetheless. CorpusDei 20:14 11 May 2009

CorpusDei is absolutely right on that. Espada do exaggerate and all it is purely speculation unless told otherwise. Logically speaking thought 0 means nothing so im not sure how that relates in being the most powerful if one were to go strictly by ranking. Besides the idea of him being 0 makes no sense. He is 10 sealed but released he is 0 and powerful how does that work considering that 1 thru 3 are powerful as they are unreleased and more so when released. He is on the bottom before release and now on the top after release, it doesnt make much sense. Salubri 00:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Come now, are we still talking about this. I've said it countless times before. There isn't any strong proof that says Yammy is telling the truth. I for one am stil not convinced. The other Espada talk down to him much of the time - Ulquiorra as a good example - which would not usually happen. This whole 0-9 Espada thing seems very hard to believe, to me at least. I think it's a mere trick to scare enemies, or a power-up type Resurreccion that will work until his power eventually fades and he reverts to his Pre-Released state. So yes, I agree with anyone who says it's not necessarily right because it's not. The facts state nothing as to his true potential, and until they do, it's not fact, but just theory. - User:HuecoMuffin 16:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Come now, HuecoMuffin, Salburi, CorpusDei. Tite stated that the lower the Arrancars number above 10 the stronger they are. FACT! and 0 is lower than 1, hence stronger, FACT! to say it's a bluff or he isnt the strongest is wrong we have no evidence. I dont understand why everyone is so vastly offended by the mere idea of Yammy being the strongest. While Espada have exxagerated, you also chose bad examples. Nnoitra thought his Hierro couldnt be cut through because he never met anyone who could, and Zommari has the fastest Sonido, whoever said what Stark did was Sonido? perhaps its some kidn of spacial distortion relating to his death aspect. so far the only facts are that Yammy is the strongest by virtue of the lowest number, so dont speculate on 'scare tactics' until proof exists and lets put to rest this debate, because end of the day Tite confirmed Yammy as the strongest by granting him number 0 and whatever offense it causes people, they'll have to deal with it User:YTOfficer01 22:20 14 May 2009


 * Obviously you arn't seeing the point I am trying to make. You have no right to say such things like they have been proven. True, scare tactics and such haven't been proven, but neither has the scenario that makes 0-9 the Espada rank, as opposed to 1-10. I never said what I thought was proven. I merely stated that I'm not convinced yet. If you would've ready what I wrote properly, you would've plainly say that I wrote that it was a THEORY of mine. Oh, and FACT: I have absoluely no problem with Yammy being the strongest. I quite like him as a character an I think it would be great for his reputation if it was true. So, I'd advise you to please not throw facts at people when you don't have all the facts yourself. - HuecoMuffin 20:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * You obviously dont read what you write, you never once stated it a Theory yet you arbitrate your points as if they were to be the actuallity from your point of view. and the whole 0-9 thing is fact as it is stated so in the manga by TK himself and will remain FACT until he states otherwise by the laws of cannonicity. I am stating things as fact that have been proven by the Manga at it's current point as such they have been proven until TK disproves them. User:YTOfficer01 19:05 16 May 2009


 * Umm... I don't really understand what you're trying to prove because my original post, which would be two posts of mine behind this one, by LAST word was the word THEORY. Therefore, you should again, as I've said before, get the facts first. Lastly, Kubo made Yammy say the Espada go from 0-9. As of now, that seems like the way it is, but AS I SAID BEFORE, it may be later proven as an untrue statement. You really have to learn to keep quiet when someone voices their opinion. I am not the only one who thinks this, and I'm not saying anyones thoughts that clash with mine are wrong, so keeping your fingers away from the keyboard to bash peoples THEORYS should work well for you in the long run. THANK YOU very much. - HuecoMuffin 14:17 May 16, 2009


 * never bashed a theory I made my own statement irrelevant of what others put, I reference several other posters as a point of reference to the other side of the arguement. My arguement is that until it's said otherwise if TK has written that espada are 0-9 then take it as fact that they are 0-9 until he has stated otherwise otherwise. this is even supported by earlier statement as Yammy introduces himself as Arrancar 10 not Espada number 10 indicating that he is not ranked an Espada, even if the actual owning of a tattoo is misleading however it is possible that other arrancar outside the Espada have tattoos User:YTOfficer01 08:17 17 May 2009


 * If that was all you were "supposedly" talking about, you wouldn't have decided to talk about others words like they weren't correct. And don't say you didn't either. You aren't fooling anyone. And you can run away from the fact that you didn't read the other posts right all you want, but the posts above don't lie. You should seriously stop talking because you're just making yourself look worse. Even Mr. Salubri below agrees that your being ignorant so do everyone a favour and please STOP. - HuecoMuffin 9:15 May 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh Im sorry, didnt know that it was forbidden to have a differing view point here. look I am not ignorant I read your post all the way through several times and never saw any mention of it being theorie. now please just leave it be your embarassing yourself by trying to troll me out on wiki of all the places, it's not big and it's not clever you just look silly doing it so in everyones interests cease this course of action. User:YTOfficer01 18:12 17 May 2009


 * Do I have to link you to where I said it was a theory? Are you that blind? I wrote it clearly on the FIRST post I made to this comment. So you ARE ignorant if you think you're fooling anyone by saying otherwise. And obviously you didn't read any of the other posts people made because not one person on here ever said it was bad to have your own opinion. I NEVER start confrontations without being provoked, and by acting like you are some high and mightly Wiki user that makes their views seem superior to others, you are the one making people angry. I don't even know the point of talking to you anymore because no matter what kind of logic anyone uses, you don't seem to get it. - HuecoMuffin 15:46 May 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I read it myself so dont go editing your posts to make me seem "ignorant", and pal your the one acting like a high and mighty wiki user. by the fact that you must speak to me in such derogatory ways, you were provoked? my friend what your doing is called bear baiting and last I checked it wasnt particularly nuetral behaviour User:YTOfficer01 18:19 18 May 2009

I would have to agree with HuecoMuffin on this. You basically sat here and said speculation yourself. Kubo did have that listed in the manga sure enough, but Its quite clear that it is no more a statement then proven fact, especially the bases of the logic is that the concept presented doesn't go with facts that are know of Arrancar, Espada and Yammy. That is what everyone is commenting on. Yes the lower a arrancar is the more powerful they are no one is disputing that. But so far all that is otherwise is from the most disrespected and least intellectual arrancar, on more then one account he was beaten and even disrespected by other arrancar even those of a higher number then 10. Your basic belief of anything otherwise is based on one comment from him and its neither proven or otherwise that its anything more then bluff. He has not demonstrated anything then a number change. Where is the proof he is more powerful then any other espada. Also your interoperation of Stark not using Sonido but something else is baseless speculation when its shown that what he used. Maybe before you sit in judgement over what other people are saying you should read the facts instead of making wild assumptions then telling other people not to and then trying to prove something as fact when you have no proof especially considering what is presented is left to speculation because the being its coming from has questionable credibility due to past occurrences that are fact, not to mention yammy has more to gain from making the assertion. Until anything other then him saying the 0 to 9 thing is proven all that is fact is what he said. There was no determination that he was more powerful then anyone there is no prior proof that he is either and the info is new at best, not even mentioned by anyone in the know in the series. Until proven otherwise anything else is a theory. Salubri 18:45, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Look here are the facts-
 * -Yammy is Number 10 pre-release and 0 post release. making him the strongest Arrancar once released as TK has written the lower the number the higher the power. Indesputable he out powers all other Arrancar wether it be temporary or Permenant
 * -Yammy introduces as Arrancar 10...NOT and Espada.
 * -Neliel states that all Arrancar with a 2 digit number are Numeros, and only single digits are Espada so if he was not the most powerful as Number 0 then why would a Numeros be permitted to sit at the Espada meeting?
 * -Other Espada abuse him? proves nothing, Grimmjow openly disrespected and even attacked the 4th Espada sealing him with Negaccion. it is merely possible that Yammy isnt allowed to release as such other Espada abuse this and while the cats away the mice will play afterall Ulquiorra said himself that Espada above number 4 arent allowed to release in Las Noches.
 * -I stated Stark as using a non-sonido technique not as fact because I never stated it was fact it was merely an example of why the examples of exxagerating Espada were bad Choices, since Zommari is confirmed fastest Sonido it is never stated Stark used sonido to ninja off with Orihime

User:YTOfficer01 18:35 18 May 2009

My guess ,which i really doesn't have any evidence to back up with, but neither does anyone else i guess, is that as the battle continues he will start losing power and jumping up rank until he returns to his status of 10. So he'll start off at 0 then grow to 1 and then 2 and then 3, and slowly fade away. Of course it can also be a reason to have the 4th captain fight someone to prove that she is in fact the strongest.

Here's what I think: when he releases his weapon, Yammy gains a level of power which greatly surpasses that of the top four espada in their sealed forms. Consider that when Yammy releases, his number changes from a 10 to a 0, but when Halibel (or however it's spelled) released Tiburon or Ulquiorra used Segunda Etapa, their numbers disappeared (for example). It might thus be concluded that released Yammy is the most powerful espada so long as the top three (at least) are sealed. UnspeakableVillain 21:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I never considered that...if all Espada hold a single digit number, then how can 10 be included? Obviously there are two digits in front of your face there so the last single digit would naturally have to be 0, and since each Espada has their respective tatoos (even those who haven't shown theirs), perhaps to set as a rule for Numeros to live by they weren't allowed to know of the numbers being 0-9 instead of 1-10. Naturally it seems strange that Yammy would hold that double digit number and sit at the table with everyone else...especially since he mentions himself as Arrancar 10 rather than Espada 10. All in all when Yammy's 10, he's more like a Fraccion to Ulquiorra than an Espada on his own, but changing rank puts him as the Cero Espada...I think it's to keep his rank in check. Aizen has him stay at 10 because his power pre-released is below that of the weakest Espada but above that of most Numeros. But due to the massive power he would most likely be hiding in his pre-release, he is automatically bolted to Cero Espada from 10 upon release...and hopefully there's not a loophole in all of this x.x keep him close by and act as an Espada unless he needs to release that power Rekotsu Vamon 06:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)