Forum:Espada Deaths

I think Barragan and Harribel's death are just too fast...I think this just either shows how powerful the captains are (commented on by Stark) or how weak the espadas are. I don't know. I mean, Harribel's death is I think fathomable but Barragan's? I think he could have used his time dilation field or sonido to avoid Jakuhō. Not that I want Soifon killed, but I think the two espadas' death are just too fast. --Agate genbu 05:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, I don't think that they are dead yet. Neither have been verified being dead, everybody have just assumed them being dead because being attacked with powerful attack. But it hasn't verified yet. Akeki 09:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I severly doubt that they would be dead, especially when you consider that Hitsuguya and Soi Fon are meant to be two of the weaker characters --Eternal Breath 11:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Yea lets just stop this way of thinking now. All captains by virtue of their position are the most powerful characters in the series number 1, number 2 These personal opinions against certain captains really need to stop being stated as facts, if thats an individuals personal opinion then whatever but considering how the facts of the series prove that time and time again not to be a true or realistic way of thinking and considering the espada are dropping like flies, there is really no point to consider this concept as valid anymore as if it was ever. On to the point. I think it was drawn out long enough as usual myself but i also think that Aizen is just using these espada as test subjects, he had no concern over the other ones dying and lets be honest. Harribel was pushed just like Ulquiorra was to be so powerful but yet everything we have seen of her has been average at best its like if she were facing kenpachi it would have been an unfair fight for her to have as for barragan he was pushed to and its like ok its really getting old no pun intended with the time dilation and the deteriorating smoke and all. Salubri 12:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Halibel and Barragarn dead? Not sure about that. We'll see. But I think Salubri provides some good points. Captains tend to be underrated on most Fansites. How often have we seen Captains go down in Combat? 3 times if I recall correctly. First was Kenpachi then Tosen and last Byakuya. None were simple defeats.

Kenpachi: Thinking back it was more of a Draw than a defeat and seeing the Nnoitra Kenpachi fight it's hardly believable that he lost to ichigo, but he did. It was a clash of spiritual power and not of skill and abilities (which i doubt ichigo would have won at that time). The fight with Nnoitra has shown Zaraki to be capable of much more and to match the 5th Espada and surpass him. That was the first Captain to lose a fight

Tosen: Tosen lost clearly to Kenpachi, another Captain and perhaps the perfect counter for Tosen. Tosen's Bankai takes away most senses and leaves his oponnent vulnerable. But he understimated Zaraki and tried to go at him with sword attacks. Zaraki is incredibly durable and does not know fear or hesitation so he took a direct hit in order to land one himself. How many bleach characters could do that to Tosen? How many could actually dodge on touching sense and not panic? In my opinion Tosen would be more than a match for most Espadas, or characters in gerneral as he has speed, skill and a hard to counter bankai. This was the second Captain to lose a fight.

Byakuya: Again a fight against the main protagonist Ichigo. Ichigo won. But let me recap it a bit. At the beginning (before Ichigo beat himself by Bankai overuse) Ichigo held the Advantage. This situation completely turned around after a while around the time Byakuya used Senkei. Now Ichigo was not only on the receiving end. He was pretty much beaten. Then Ichigos Hollow turned the tables again. The Hollow was clearly a lot more powerful then just Ichigo in Bankai and Byakuya was injured multiple times during this short 'event'. Because of those injuries Ichigo was again on par with Byakuya and could win. One could argue that it took a hollow enhanced Bankai Ichigo to defeat Byakuya. This is not a small amount of power and to think that Ichigo couldn't stand after it but Byakuya could use Shunpo and even take a hit from Ichimarus Shikai after the fight...

How do these loses mark the Captains in general as weak?

However, Aizen stated that his top three espada will be enough to deal with all the shinigami in Karakura town. And i do not think that Aizen will make such a big mistake, because Barragan is hit once and dies or Harribel is encased in ice and dies. Like said before, i think that these death are a bit too fast. Gargamel711 18:00, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Not really the battles have been pretty drawn out and this part of the story is becoming stale. I mean fighting is all good and stuff but, its like we have seen all there is to see of these characters. To many people put it in their minds that bad guys are gonna be constant fixtures even when you know its not true. Like in any normal situation they serve their purpose and then you move on. Well how much more can they do with barragan really or harribel for that matter there is really no where to go with these, and Aizen says alot of stuff but he also said that ichigo and friends posed no threat to him or the espada. which ended up not being true. It seems that Aizen says alot of things and as much as he misleads his enemies and manipulates them he also misleads and manipulates his allies. So lets take everything aizen says with a grain of salt. Not to mention i dont think aizen is making a mistake on this, these Espada seem more less like like test subjects for him, he's just testing their capability, as seen he doesnt really care if they lose or die. he is obviously playing at something bigger like new and more powerful Espada (hint hint). All in all im not sure these battles matter to much but to show case the Gotei 13's abilities you probably wouldnt normally see. Also if they fight these powerful adversaries and win much like ichigo they can only get stronger, weird. Salubri 17:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)