Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner/Archive 7

Beware Spurious Translations
With some words, mostly terms and names--esp. those which appear in the non-canon filler, and so cannot be researched as can material from the manga--there's a temptation to play games with "false friends" within the Japanese language itself; in other words, fans eager to find/know the meaning/Kanji of this person's name, or that new Zanpakutō, will use whatever resources are available to find Japanese words/elements that sound/look like these words and, frequently, edit in their selections as the de facto translations for these terms on their pages.

Unfortunately, much more often than not, this amounts to nothing more than wild mass guessing. In a language where there are a ton of elements which can all be read kō alone--not to mention that it's precisely this possible confusion that keeps Japanese from abandoning the lovely but complex Chinese Kanji as its writing system--playing the "close enough" game is a good way to proliferate die-hard false information.

As sucky as it is to not know what the correct meaning and spelling of words is, please refrain from just jamming hunches or possibilities into edits of pages as though they were confirmed, whenever you can. Admittedly, even "official" or more reputable-seeming sources (such as TV Tokyo, I think someone said) may prove erroneous; but it's far better to wait for them to appear in these more reputable (usu. Japanese) sources than to put in an educated guess that may well be wrong.

If it's an issue of expediency, i.e. if a word remains without translation longer than you think it should (given the duration of its appearance in the series, perhaps), please come and post here in the Corner to bring a sharper focus onto it, and we'll see if we can't amend such omissions more quickly. :) Adam Restling (talk) 10:41, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Longstanding Errors: How They Got--And Stay--That Way
Since BLEACH is ongoing, the especial focus re: names and terms and all that will be on the newer material that emerges as the series progresses, leaving older material more-or-less alone as "settled"--or at least less pressing.

However, this doesn't mean there aren't errors galore left to be found in the older material, whether they be typographical--e.g. finger-errors--or things like uncontested mistranslations that have been around so long people never think to investigate. One of the examples of this I like to use to illustrate is that detailed here: early scanslators referred to the Koutotsu as "seimichio", and the Seireitei as, at turns, "torore" and "toroel". A more recent case is the one I make about Kaien Shiba's Nejibana (see below).

But anyone who does peruse older stuff and discovers unfixed goofs and the like is, of course, encouraged (as this section's criteria state) to bring them up here, in the Corner, in a post. Adam Restling (talk) 04:22, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yamamoto Really the "Founder" of the Gotei 13?
Hey guys, can I have a second opinion on this (heading Founder)? I'm contesting the official translation of the SOULs databook, which states on page 98 that Yamamoto is the founder of the Gotei 13, but the Japanese original merely says he's their current commander (at least, that's what I read). Also, in chapter 223 he says "The location of the Ouken is a fact passed on verbally from Captain Commander to Captain Commander in the Gotei 13", implying that he's not the first Captain-Commander. I'd be nice to settle this issue. Thank you in advance, Mapar007 (talk) 22:06, January 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * If the original Japanese text you provided is accurate (it's hard for me to summon up certain raws in a timely fashion XD), you seem to be correct: the sequence 十三隊を統括する Juusantai wo toukatsusuru means "unifies/supervises the Thirteen Troops" (= what many usu. call "the Thirteen Squads"); the semantic shift could probably be understood as "bringing together" > "keeping together, making sure it stays together, overseeing". But "found", again as you mentioned, doesn't seem to be a common usage; one would expect hajimeru, kakuritsusuru, or something similar. The sentence concludes with 総隊長も兼任 soutaichou mo kennin, meaning he supervises the Thirteen Troops "(while) concurrently serving as all-captain" (= what many call "captain-commander").


 * But even still, as you guys have already said, all the other evidence (such as the location of the Ouken being passed from all-captain to all-captain) suggests that there have been other all-captains before Yamamoto anyway. The fact that Viz made a mistake is no real surprise when one recalls their making Cero = "Doom Blast" = "Doom Cero", etc. but I try not to be too hard on them; they're generally far better than the monsters who What's Up, Tiger Lily? Ikkitousen into "Battle Vixens", or bowdlerize Tenjou Tenge. Good catch :). Adam Restling (talk) 04:17, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Nejibana's Release Call
During research on another issue, I was spurred to investigate the translation of the release call of Nejibana, Kaien Shiba's Zanpakutou, which is currently "rankle the seas and the skies", and found it seems to be incorrect.

I go into greater length on this, my reasoning, and why such things have gone unnoticed for so long here, but in summation, I think a translation like "surge water(s) and sky/heaven" would be more appropriate and accurate. Please let me know what you think :).

P.S. I put this post here, instead of the next section, mainly because this cited a likely error, rather than a request-for-translation. Adam Restling (talk) 04:22, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

"Daichimaru" Kanji
Here I am again. About Rusaburou's Zanpakutou Daichimaru... With 'daichi' 大地 meaning 'the land' (the Zanpakutou is a rock type) and 'maru' 丸 apparently being a very common name suffix with Zanpakutou's, I thought the kanji should be 大地丸, but the edit I made was (understandably) reverted. Does anyone disagree, or can't we be sure enough with anime-only names? Thanks in advance, Mapar007 (talk) 22:16, January 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * According to the Japanese Wiki, the Kanji are 大地丸 for Ruzaburou's Zanpakutou.


 * To the second point, though: even though filler characters seem to be where the anime production staff gives the least damns (XD) in terms of their creativity in naming filler characters/elements, it's still dangerous to simply add Kanji--as though confirmed--to names based on only possible relations; the same thing led to erroneous attribution of Kanji, based only on sound-alikeness, on the pages for Yushima and Inaba. My advice would be: if you notice what seems like an error in, or a lack of, say, Kanji, for a name or term--filler or otherwise--is to bring it to this Corner, and we'll see if we can find an official(ish) source for the data we're lacking... rather than just possibly- or likely-incorrect guesswork :). Adam Restling (talk) 04:57, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Sasakibe's middle name
Chapter 486 reveals that his middle name is "Tadaoki". Here are the raws. It would be great if somebody could make out the kanji. -- The Goblin   I'm feelin' the flow   19:16, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's "忠息(ただおき)". -- Женёq (talk) 04:32, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ivan Azgiaro or Azgiallo Ebern
Mangareader called this dude Ivan Azgiaro but Mangastream called him Azgiallo Ebern. Which is the right one. I couldn't find the raw for the chapter but I did find the katakana if that's ok.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 18:56, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

アズギアロ・イーバーン

WAIT! I found the raw! http://s1.mangahead.com/mangas/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-481-Raw-Scan/17.jpg --Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 23:03, February 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Good job :) but oh, crap :O XD! I thought we'd left Arrancar(ish), impossible-to-tell-how-it's-spelled names behind in the last arc, but here we have another one. Maybe Kubo will throw us a bone (like he did for Yukio's and Jackie's surnames) but, if not, we may have to wait until the next databook (whenever it might come out) for the official spelling, just like we did with the Arrancar.


 * The only things Mangastream's version has going for it are a) it's in the order he [the character] gives it in (Mangareader reverses it, as they would a Japanese name, for some reason), and b) it's spelled w/more *zazz* (XD). However, with the katakana spelling (Azugiaro Ībān), either "Azgiallo Ebern" or "Azgiaro Ivan" is theoretically plausible, if unconfirmed... unless Mangastream knows something we don't, and this secret knowledge informed their spelling.


 * So until this confirmation might come, there's no prevailing evidence for one or the other. Adam Restling (talk) 12:59, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

So if anything, the admins should flip the order of this guy's name on his page?--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 00:16, March 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * No we usually leave things until official proof is provided and Adam and the corner translates!!

Ok, I was just asking because he said Mangareader dun goofed and filped the guys name for some reason so I thought that meant the page should be changed to Azgiaro Ivan.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 04:39, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Vandenreich
Now that chapter 483 is out one thing is on everyone's mind.. WHAT THE HELL DOES VANDENRECIH MEAN!? I found the RAW this time but I couldn't find the Katakana or the Kanji Kubo uses--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 20:55, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I managed to locate the kanji — 見えざる帝国 — but the Katakana in that raw are too small for me to even hazard an attempt. Blackstar1 (talk) 21:04, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

I got the Katakana!--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 21:11, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

ヴァンデンライヒ

Roughly Japanese and German for "Invisible Empire". maggosh 02:16, March 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * "Vanden" doesn't exist in German as an actual word. It seems to be a Dutch/Danish word . -- The Goblin   Talk  02:25, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Dutch-German combination would mean "Empire of the ____", while the Danish-German combination - "Empire of (Soft) Water". -- The Goblin   Talk  02:38, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * You got it backwards; "van den reich" would be "___ of the empire/realm". MarqFJA (talk) 19:05, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * The word "Reich" is mainly translated as "Empire", but it can also mean "Kingdom" or "Realm". -- The Goblin   Talk   02:41, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Iacto Arme
What does Iacto Arme mean? Mangareader is unsure how to translate it! So here is the kanji, katakana and the RAW --Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 17:20, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

狩獵部隊 (ヤークトアルメー) http://mangahead.com/index.php/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-486-Raw-Scan/16.jpg?action=big&size=original


 * Hm. Ran the kanji; apparently translates as something like "Game-Hunting Corps," but 獵 is an uncommon symbol of unlisted kanji, but the hypothetical pronunciation of the kanji is something like "Kariryō Butai", while the katakana is "Yākuto Arumē" (I think...). --Reikson (talk) 21:14, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Iacto Arme is Latin, apparently meaning something like "I Disturb the Unity" or some such. We'll probably have to get some ancient Latin experts into this translation business, at least until this saga is over... --Reikson (talk) 21:14, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Mangareader translated the Kanji as Hunting Unit but did not translate the Latin (I probably should of been more clear when I first posted) Maybe we will just have to wait and see the WSJA translation.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 03:29, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Tenken's Special Ability
Someone on Komamura's talk page brought up that Tenken's ability is described as being able to summon any giant limb, even though it has only ever been used to summon arms. Does his page from MASKED mention anything about the ability that could clear this up? Mohrpheus  (Talk)  16:18, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Byakuya's Blood Type
This page from Unmasked apparently says that Byakuya's blood type is AB as opposed to the previous O which was given in past databooks. Can I get a confirmation on this please.--

Ishida technique in the fourth film
Hello. My question is this. So that the fourth film, Ishida used to Taikon, Gerd Sprenger it? Is that one writes, and what has kanji and romaji. Thank you in advance. 11:10, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I tried looking this one up via its likely katakana spelling, but was unable to find anything other than citations of just "Sprenger" by itself. FYI, this technique, 破芒陣（シュプレンガー） Shupurengā, seems to be intended as German for "blaster"; the underlying Kanji mean "awn-rending array".


 * If I find anything on a Gerd Sprenger or the like, I'll try to let you all know :). Adam Restling (talk) 21:54, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I noticed that there is but a word Gert, not Gerd. What is so kanji and translation Gert? 01:16, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Correct Kanji for Addiction Shot
The Kanji for Addiction Shot on Riruka's page is incorrect. Here is the correct one and here is the proof .--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 23:23, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

アディクション・ショット


 * Seems whoever came up with the kanji that was on the page went to google translate and converted the English phrase "Addiction Shot" to kanji rather than looking at the raw and copying the kanji that was actually used by Kubo. It has been fixed now. Thanks Kisukeiscool 11:20, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Vandenreich and other related terms
Whilst I understand that the correct translation of the katakana is always going to be a source of contention until Kubo provides confirmation, I was hoping one of the more trusted translators can begin to provide accurate translations of at least the (literal) English for the following terms. Blackstar1 (talk) 00:33, April 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * - the 'の' used is seemingly dropped in chapter 487
 * - the 'の' used is seemingly dropped in chapter 487


 * * Several people, including myself, took a stab at both Vandenreich and the Iacto Arme thing, but Salubri moved them to the seventh page of this page's Archives, but the kanji that I saw there was different. --Reikson (talk) 06:20, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * * The kanji for the Hunting Captain is apparently Tōkatsu Shuryōtaichō and can be translated as "Controlling Safari Leader." --Reikson (talk) 06:20, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * * Additionally, "Iacto Arme" is apparently Latin, but good luck trying to find someone to translate THAT on such short notice. --Reikson (talk) 06:20, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

I was aware of the previous attempts but you've misinterpreted my intention here, as I merely wanted confirmation of the literal translations of the kanji and nothing more (e.g. 見えざる帝国 = Invisible Empire) because I understood that the German/Latin would always be contentious.

Anyway, could I ask your reason for interpreting 狩猟隊長 as "Safari Leader" rather than "Hunting Captain"? While I don't know Japanese, is typically translated as "captain" here and, both tangorin and other translators give 狩猟 as "hunting". Blackstar1 (talk) 12:13, April 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * That was an arbitrary decision on my part, because the translator I used said that 狩猟隊 translated this as "safari; troop of Hunters" hence why I did it. I don't speak Japanese, nor do I know its intricacies.  You'd be better off asking Adam Restling for his opinion, apparently. --Reikson (talk) 16:48, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for my absence, friends: daylight-savings time + computer trouble has been ****ing me up. But lo! I think I've some worthwhile insight at last, at least in certain areas, to be apportioned out in the below:

"Vandenreich" - I've no idea what this is supposed to mean in Kubo's shaky German derivation, except that Reich is German for "realm, kingdom" (still a common word despite its darkening in the Western imagination at large)--and in this I concur with the majority of other translators. Likewise, its underlying Kanji, 見えざる帝国, do seem to mean "invisible empire" (miezaru teikoku), again as others have said; the pronunciation katakana seem to be ヴァンデンライヒ Vandenraihi. If there's a secret, truer spelling of "Vandenreich", it may have to wait for another databook to tell us. The closest German words that could relate to "invisible" I could find were Wahn "delusion" (pronounced like [vān]) (but, sic, not *Wahnd(e)) or, more of s stretch, Wand "wall, barrier" (pronounced like [vānt]). It seems unlikely to mean, as some have suggested, of the realm, esp. since (at least in modern German) the element "of" is von, not *van, not to mention no apparent link with "invisible"; I hope Kubo tells us someday.

But the above name seems to confirm that German motif of the "Vandenreich" nomenclature, and a quick search of the katakana (thanks to Reikson and others for furnishing it) was, happily, illuminating: I'm pretty sure the martial force featured in the last two chapters is neither Spanish nor Latin, but actually meant to be the Jagdarmee "hunting army" (German Jagd "hunt(ing)" + Armee "army"). If the characters posted elsewhere are correct (not sure where to find easy raws), then they are 狩獵部隊 Shuryou Butai "hunting corps/force", with the pronunciation katakana ヤークトアルメー Yākutoarumē. The German form would be pronounced as something close to [yākt-ar-mē]; the to at the end of Yāku to  is merely part of Japanese phonological rules (with its phonemes needing to end in either a vowel or n).

If the Kanji are correct, again, then the Jagdarmee's leader is the "executive hunting captain" or "hunting captain general", 統括狩猟隊長 toukatsu shuryou taichou: toukatsu is "unification", but also used for "executive, general, supervising" (e.g. in toukatsu buchou "executive manager"), and taichou is our familiar word "captain" (more lit. "troop chief/head"; compare the origin of English captain from Latin caput, stem capit- "head"--itself the origin of chief, too). ... P.S. Did this one have any pronunciation katakana I don't know of?

Hope this helped. :) Adam Restling (talk) 08:08, April 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks Adam, such detailed translations and accompanying explanations are always worth the wait, so don't worry about it. MangaHead is probably the most well-known place for viewing raws, although they don't actually retain the chapters for that long. Also, there was no pronunciation katakana for the "executive hunting captain". Blackstar1 (talk) 13:13, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

3rd Division - Chapter 494
Here's the kanji and kana (in brackets) used for the revealed Shikai and their respective release commands. While I'm relatively confident in the Shikai being correct, the release commands definitely should be checked, so here's the link to the raw. Blackstar1 (talk) 15:26, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Taketsuna Gori - Shikai: 虎落笛 (もがりぶえ), Release Command: 吹(ふき)鳴(な)らせ
 * Asuka Katakura - Shikai: 片陰 (かたかげ), Release Command: 打消(うちけ)せ
 * Rikū Togakushi - Shikai: 春塵 (しゅんじん), Release Command: 巻(ま)きて昇(のぼ)れ


 * The release calls and names seem to be correct as per that raw page. Please note that the Shikai are also the names of their respective Zanpakutou.


 * 虎落笛 (Mogaribue), despite the etymology of its Kanji (which = "tiger fall flute"), is used as a poetic term for "winter wind whistling through a bamboo fence" (wherein this fence is represented by 虎落 "tiger fall" itself); its release call (吹鳴ならせ fukinarase) is probably best rendered "sound your whistle", although a more lit. form would be "chime/sound with a blow", like the eponymous instrument.


 * 片陰 (Katakage) means "(place in the) shade" (more lit. "one{-sided} shade/shadow"); its release call (打消せ uchikese) is "drown out", more lit. an intensified form (with intensive prefix (b/f)uchi- "strike") of kesu "snuff out, erase".


 * 春塵 (Shunjin) means "spring dust", poetically glossed as referring to frost/snow "blown like dust" through the air "by the spring wind"--mmm, that's some rich imagery :); its release call (巻きて昇れ makite nobore) seems to mean something like "coil upward" (second element being noboru "ascend, go up{ward}"). The form makite is unusual; it looks as though Kubo may be using an archaic gerundive (-ing) form "coiling, rolling" of maku "roll, coil, wind", instead of the more usual form maite--Kubo has done this before, e.g. using *kamite instead of modern kande as the gerundive of kamu "chew, gnaw" in one of Grimmjow's poems, I think.


 * Thanks for the easy raw access link and providing all the Kanji/kana to make this way easier, even for my crappy comp :). Adam Restling (talk) 11:11, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Muda
Here's the kanji and katakana used for. Blackstar1 (talk) 15:05, May 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * The Kanji read "snake-husk fortress", and so this seems to confirm that Muda itself is taken from Spanish muda "molt" (the noun). Thus, the barrier is a "fortress" of protection metaphorically created from the "shed skin" of Sung-Sun (being as her release is serpentine). ... Neat. :) Adam Restling (talk) 11:23, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Sklaverei
Is this another word that doesn't really have a translation kinda like Biskiel or a translation mistake? I couldn't find the Kanji or Katakana for this yet, but if someone can find it that would be nice.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 17:46, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's the kanji and katakana: . Blackstar1 (talk) 12:19, May 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * @ Kisuke: I think I put in what I could find re: "Biskiel" elsewhere; dunno if it was up above, or on Kirge Opie's page, but, in summation, it may be as someone on the Nets suggested, a fabricated angel-like name of Opie's power.


 * @ Blackstar: Thanks as usual. Man, with the Vandenreich, everything seems to be "holy" this, and "holy" that :(. Somebody get Kubo a thesaurus and help him build his word power! XD Adam Restling (talk) 11:31, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Stern Ritter Technique - Chapter 497
Here's the kanji and katakana used for, as well as the raw. This seems to be yet another word like "Biskiel" in that it ends in "-el" but isn't German, has kanji following the order of "??? of God" but with no direct angelic counterpart, and shares some connection to a Vollständig. Blackstar1 (talk) 16:02, June 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Looks like you're correct: Kubo seems to be just making up his own, new angel names for the Quincys' Vollständig. This "Grimaniel" seems to have Kanji (神の歩み) which translate to "walk of God". Adam Restling (talk) 09:48, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Ying and Yang name confusion
An old issue, but a necessary one to correct. Ying and Yang's names may have gotten mixed up in translations or preferences, and as a result, we may have gotten the article title for them wrong. I have a promo sheet from the DiamondDust Rebellion's website, which has their kanji written down. Hopefully this will be able to help solve this problem. Please get back to me on this as soon as you can. Thanks in advance, guys. Arrancar109 (Talk)  09:31, June 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks like according to the pic, the blue-haired one is Yin (イン In)--note that Mandarin yin is actually pronounced more like "een" than "yeen"--and the red-haired one is Yang (ヤン Yan); I assumed they're based on the Chinese concept, unless you guys have special reason to render In as "Ying" instead of "Yin"? Adam Restling (talk) 13:24, June 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Like I said, I think there was some biased preference or translation error at the time of the article's creation, which is why I wanted this cleared up, especially now that we have someone working on the DiamondDust Rebellion's articles. I'm not sure who created the article in the first place, but since it's creation, the naming issue has been brought up at several points, but never solved. Adam, thank you for finally clarifying their names for us. We will change the name in the article in accordance to the information you have provided for us. Arrancar109 (Talk)  16:36, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Blut Variations
Here's the kanji and katakana used for the variations of Blut. While I'm relatively confident about both aspects of Blut Arterie, the text for Blut Vene in the raw is tiny, so I very easily could be mistaken about the katakana used. Blackstar1 (talk) 12:14, June 27, 2012 (UTC)




 * It looks like you're correct. The Kanji for Blut Arterie mean "moving blood guise"; those for Blut Vene mean "stilled blood guise"--that is, one is active, one at rest. Adam Restling (talk) 12:40, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Gekka Tenshō
Is this a new technique? I can't find raw scans for this chapter... I think it's a mistake, but Gekka (月下) means Moonlight, different than Getsuga (月牙). http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/bleach/pl/images/a/a6/Ofkorse_podpis.png (profile) 16:17, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Its just a bad translation. We can see in the previous chapter that it was indeed a Getsuga Tensho he used. The scanlators do stupid stuff like this all the time.--

Sasakibe's Bankai
I found the kanji for it there, but still I don't know it's good. Can you help me? Kanji that I found: 煌々厳霊離宮 (it matches Gonryōmaru which kanji is 厳霊丸) Romanji (probably): Kōkōgonryōrikyū (Sorry for my english) http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/bleach/pl/images/a/a6/Ofkorse_podpis.png (profile) 20:39, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

OK, nobody answers me, then I try to translate it personally. I hope it is good :D Full kanji: 煌々厳霊離宮 煌々 (Kōkō) means Glitter 厳 (Gon) means Stern 霊 (Ryō) means Soul/Spirit 離宮 (Rikyū) means Villa Well, full name of this Bankai sounds like Glitter Stern Soul's Villa, in japanese Kōkō Gonryō Rikyū. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/bleach/pl/images/a/a6/Ofkorse_podpis.png (profile) 14:06, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * My translation: 'Villa of the Relentless Dazzling Soul', perhaps? Bluesun1 (talk) 03:56, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Do we have a raw to prove that's the correct kanji? Reason being most Japanese sites I've read have been writing it as 黄煌厳霊離宮. I thought it was necessary to have a raw scan before kanji was added?Vraieesprit (talk) 15:09, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * RAW. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120125122424/central/images/thumb/0/03/Ponurak.png/24px-Ponurak.pngPonurak http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120125122430/central/images/thumb/5/5a/Ponurak2.png/24px-Ponurak2.png 18:59, August 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Raw scan's was out, and corrected kanji is 煌厳霊離宮. It means like a Mangastream translate, Yellow Brilliant Solemn Spirit's Villa, but I'm not sure. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/bleach/pl/images/a/a6/Ofkorse_podpis.png (profile) 18:59, August 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're missing a character at the front, the ki 黄. Correct kanji is as I pasted it above. I like the translation the page already has, since the　宮 character can be used in terms of a shrine (for example, Ise Jinguu, the "Ise Great Shrine" is written 伊勢神宮.) Shrine makes more sense to me than villa. I vote we change the kanji and leave the translation as it is on the page. We could change Brilliant to Glittering, which is more orthographically correct to the kanji used, I think...Incidentally, if we were waiting for the raw, how come the page got changed prematurely with incorrect kanji? This site is so strict on edits and evidence, I was really confused.Vraieesprit (talk) 19:34, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Vandenreich Leader
The Vandenreich Leader's name was given in the latest chapter. Here is the raw. Could we get a confirmation on what the proper name is and whether it is one name or two.--

Chapter 503 Quincies
In Chapter 503, we have several Quincies introduced. Berenice Gabrielli, Jerome Guizbatt, and Loyd Lloyd are introduced on page 3 of that chapter, and Driscoll Berci is introduced on page 12. We're not sure if the names were written using the Western alphabet or in kanji in the RAWs, but we do want their names in Kanji as well. Thank you in advance. Arrancar109 (Talk)  18:12, August 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Here's the kanji and katakana for the Quincy, as well as the raw, showing that their names were written using the Western alphabet. Blackstar1 (talk) 18:40, August 19, 2012 (UTC)



Yamamoto Question
Does anyone have the kanji for Yamamoto's bankai? Because, if whoever edited it already, got the translation right, then wouldn't the full kanji go something like 残火太刀 (ざんかのたち)? --Reikson (talk) 16:35, September 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're right; whoever edited the page left out a good number of Kanji. For more data, see here.


 * So far, the only data I have is the statement in the English-translated chapter that the Bankai is called Zanka no Tachi, and that this is translated "longsword of the remnant flame" (< my own slight tweaking). But there's no raw I have for use to confirm either of these things: my tentative Kanji renderings (not knowing how tachi was written, or if a kana no was used or not) are based on the two bits of translation data I have, so I need a good raw to truly confirm the accuracy (esp. after the recent trouble with Sasakibe's Bankai's name). Adam Restling (talk) 21:37, September 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Here's how the kanji should read:, with the kana "ざんかのたち", confirming Adam's translation posted above. Blackstar1 (talk) 02:32, September 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Mangahead finally had a raw up, and it confirms (on the last page) that the Kanji and reading Blackstar gives above is correct. I gave the link to the main page because linking to the actual pic will prob. (as before) fail, and give a "no hyperlinking"-type message. :) Adam Restling (talk) 10:38, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Shin'ō
One method of romanisation is to romanise n + vowel compounds with an apostrophe, to prevent them from being mistaken for na-gyō sounds. Whether applied or not, it should be done so consistently. Yet at the moment you have Jin'emon Kotsubaki (uses apostrophe), Shin'etsu Kisaragi (uses apostrophe) and Shinō Academy (no apostrophe). Whichever is this wikia's rule should be followed, and at least one article renamed with/without an apostrophe. Bluesun1 (talk) 14:54, August 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Good point. Personally, I dislike the look of the apostrophe, even as I do certain stylized mishmashes like jyo for jo(u) or, indeed, using ū for uu etc. in native Japanese words (it's easier to write uu then to paste a macron ū in most cases). I support them for things like katakana spellings, since there the macron is the equivalent of the "long sign" kana /ー/ in non-native, expressive, or other informal usages.


 * Still, one style should be chosen, and then stuck with, for consistency's sake. Adam Restling (talk) 09:07, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Kangetsu ni Saku
Seeing choices enacted on Chapter 504, Chapter -12.5 also should be changed into Japanese. Currently you have it as '-12.5. Blooming Under a Cold Moon'. But as you can see on your own image, the title is in Japanese. Bluesun1 (talk) 00:54, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think we should keep the translation--or, rather, tweak it slightly to "Bloom to a Cold Moon" to be more correct ("under a cold moon" should be kangetsu no shita ni or something similar)--but should add the Kanji, as this is one of those rare Japanese (rather than English) chapter titles.


 * Ideally, we could someday add kana and Kanji alike to all the titles, wherever they may be lacking. Adam Restling (talk) 09:16, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Chapter 504 Name
Low priority but could we get a translation of the title of chapter 504 please so it can be noted on the page and Chapters page as is done with previous cases of the titles being in kanji. The kanji are 雷鳴の彼方へ and link to the raw. As I say its not a priority, but would be good to have at some stage whenever one of the translators has the time. Thanks 20:41, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * "Raimei no Kanata e" -- "Beyond the Thunder" is a perfect translation. "To the Thunder's Beyond" is more literal, but unnecessarily wordy and awkward. I'd go with the first. L44021 (talk) 01:12, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * L is correct, esp. since the strictly lit. is only really necessary in the Japanese itself, because of its necessary structure (compared to English).


 * The only possible amendment I might suggest is to make it " To Beyond the Thunder", taking into account the usage of the particle he (pronounced and often written as simply e) "to(ward)"--simpler "beyond (the) thunder" would probably just be raimei no kanata, lacking the he; but that would be it. Adam Restling (talk) 09:25, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

The Translation of Volume Poems
Earlier today, I edited the volume poems on ten Wikia pages to have their translations match the ones present Viz's volumes. The pages in question are: KING OF THE KILL FEAR FOR FIGHT THE LUST SHOCK OF THE QUEEN KINGDOM OF HOLLOWS VICE IT Love me Bitterly Loth me Sweetly EL VERDUGO BEAUTY IS SO SOLITARY THE BAD JOKE

I had done this in the past to little opposition, but it seems as though the rules have changed. Moreover, a significant number of Bleach Wikia's volume pages already utilize the Viz translation for volume poems. Is there an issue with my edits, or should we leave them as is?

Moreover, should the Wikia use Viz's translations? Or random ones found on the internet? If I were to interject my own opinion, I have found that many amateur translators leave the poems broken and devoid of meaning. Phrasing becomes inconsistent and there are blatant errors. That's not to say that Viz is perfect, but I find that their versions are far more correct. Anyways, shall we discuss? L44021 (talk) 16:04, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Anyone? To be clear, I'm fluent in Japanese. Moreover, the Wikia even uses some of the translations that I've personally done myself--SHOCK OF THE QUEEN, to name one. I'd be willing to contest any issues anyone has with Viz's translations. I command a thorough knowledge of the language and can prove which of Viz's translations are more accurate (which is most of them by a significant amount). L44021 (talk) 00:58, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm all for someone like you, far fluenter (< a real word?! maybe not ;) ) being here to handle the longer and more idiomatic passages which, as I've always said, daunt and thwart me (I'm best at words in isolation, or small expressions).


 * Viz's work should generally be taken with a grain, if not a pound, of salt, if you ask me; need I recall the reports of them translating Cero as "Doom Blast" > "Doom Cero"? They're useful, and in a lot of cases probably not too far from decent translations; but it sounds like we'd be better suited to having someone like you, or a group of someones like yous (?), to make your own translations direct from the original Japanese--perhaps with input from me, since I enjoy contributing (when my PC allows it) and I enjoy poesy, and would cry if you guys had no more use nor welcome for me XD. Adam Restling (talk) 09:34, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Bleach GC
The page for the Bleach GameCube game contains a list of stages in an odd romanisation form which is different to the rest of the wiki. (It looks like Nihon-shiki, but 'say'?) However, most of these romanisations can be recovered and should probably thus be translated. unfortunately, searching for kanjified versions, I can't seem to get any results, which suggests there's no equivalent Japanese list. :/ They are: Bluesun1 (talk) 14:03, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Original text: 'corrected romaji': possible kanji 'Translation'
 * Senzaikyumae: 'Senzaikyū-mae': 懺罪宮前 'In front of the Senzaikyū'
 * Syokeiyouato: Likely 'Shokeijō-ato': 処刑場後 'Remains of the Execution Site'
 * Soukyokuno Oka: 'Sōkyoku no Oka': 双殛の丘 'Sōkyoku Hill'
 * Sisinrouwatarirouka: 'Shishinrō Watarirōka': 四深牢渡廊下 'Shishinrō Passage'
 * Sanbantaitaisaymae: 'San-bantai Taisha-mae': 三番隊隊舎前 'Outside the 3rd Division Barracks'
 * Senzaikyuhiroba: 'Senzaikyū Hiroba': 懺罪宮広場 'Senzaikyū Plaza'
 * Rukongai: obvious
 * Seireitei - Yanenoue: 'Seireitei - Yane no Ue': 瀞霊廷・屋根の上 'Seireitei: Roof'
 * Seireitei - Mori: 'Seireitei - Mori': 瀞霊廷・森 'Seireitei: Forest'
 * Soukyokuchika - Benkyoubeya: 'Sōkyoku Chika - Benkyōbeya': 双殛地下・勉強部屋 'Training Room - Underneath the Sōkyoku'
 * Seireiteidori: 'Seireitei-doori': 瀞霊廷通 'A Street in Seireitei'
 * Chikasuidou: 'Chikasuidō': 地下水道 'Sewers'


 * Looks like a good job, and very exhaustive, Sun, thanks :). Indeed, many of the former names do appear to have been derived from some confusion of Nihonshiki forms, riddled with elided letters (e.g. the second's element, Syokeiyou~, does seem to have been meant to be Syokei z you~ = Hepburnshiki Shokeijou~) and wildly inconsistent word boundaries (as the yanenoue for yane no ue you cite, etc.). Adam Restling (talk) 09:45, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Chapter 502: San'ou
Hello again Adam. It's nice to see you're back! PC problems again? I know how that feels. I'm having some of my own XD! Anyway, I need some help with finding some kanji again. If you don't already know, on this wiki if a chapter name is in Japanese the page name is in Kanji (example 504. 雷鳴の彼方へ) but for whatever reason chapter 502. San'ou is in romaji. I have found the raw but I can't seem to find the kanji. If you could please use your super awesome kanji finding powers that would be great! Thanks!--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 19:15, September 4, 2012 (UTC) http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg444/scaled.php?server=444&filename=bleach502raw4.jpg&res=landing


 * Nice to be back, however long it lasts :) (hope it's long XD).


 * Looks like the Kanji are 散桜 "scattering sakura" (i.e. "scattering cherry blossom[s]"), a darkly-poetic allusion and reversal of Byakuya's signature weapon.


 * And especial thanks for providing me the raw link; with Ju-Ni apparently gone, I'm having trouble finding raws of any kind of quality lately (Mangahead's can sometimes work, but they're often so grainy it can obscure certain things, like the oh-so-helpful furigana). Adam Restling (talk) 02:23, September 5, 2012 (UTC)