User talk:Klross1

Captains Chart
I would just like to ask some people their opinions on the captains charts. What number qualifies a person as an "Expert" or "Master". I personally think that 80 and above is Master. I think that if a person with their Mobility being 80 is considered Flash Step Master then other people with the Mobility of 80 should be. For example on Gin's page, he is considered a Flash Step Master with his chart Mobility being 80. Kaname's page says he's a Flash Step Expert with his chart Mobility being 80. Something is weird about that seeing as how both of them have a chart Mobility value of 80 and only one of them is considered a master. I have changed Kaname's to master because if Gin is one with 80 then so show Kaname with 80. Also Kaname's chart has his Kido at 90 but he is considered a Kido Expert while Byakuya is a Kido Master. The charts are official but we sometimes put we we want and think. Can someone please respond. I would love to hear what others have to say.--- Klross1.
 * Personally, I think this "expert"/"master" stuff is just speculation. And nonsense, at that.  Yama-jii has a rating of 100 in kidou, yet have we ever once seen him USE a kidou?  If we have, I do not remember it.  And because his rating is 100, would that make him as adept in kidou as the head of the Kidoushuu?  Or the second-in-command?  We don't know, because Kubo hasn't explained it.  As far as shunpo goes, Yoruichi is the master.  As far as kidou goes, I think Aizen is the undisputed master (i.e. Black Coffin; farting out a dankuu against Tessai in the Pendulum gaiden).  Basically, I think we should assign labels based on what we've seen and can prove.  We can prove that Aizen's kidou can stop the head of the Kidoushuu.  We can't prove Tousen or Gin's "mastery" of shunpo.  Big red01027 01:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. I don't think that the Kido section is just for Kido. I think that it's also for Spiritual Pressure. For Yamamoto (since we've never seen him use Kido), I think that 100 would go towards his Spiritual Pressure. But I don't think that's the case for everyone though. Look at Kenpachi. His Kido level is at 0. You see what I'm saying. It's all kinda confusing. lol. --- Klross1.

Ok ill make it simple the chart was put up last week, we dont really go by it, its informative and interesting but not really set in stone it was created by Kubo in a character book but only corresponds to that. We havent used it in the past we go by what we know, as can be seen some of it makes sense and other stuff is left to interpretation. Red is right but we assign what we have seen from the character. while i dont doubt gin's skill or that yama is so high i dont know im sure we will see and we probably all assume it but we basically wait to see Salubri 01:37, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "Interpretation" is hardly more than speculation, though. There's a lot of good information in the articles, but we should probably cut down just a bit on the speculation, or come to a consensus about who slots where as far as their abilities are concerned, based on what we've seen in the manga (not the anime), and what the other sources say. Big red01027 01:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I know we were on the captains chart conversation, but why is that Toshiros girl editing this stuff about a girl named Kelly instead of Momo? Istn't that considered vandalism? --- Klross1.
 * I've asked about that already, and am waiting for an answer. I'm tired of reverting her garbage already.  Big red01027 01:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Well lets get that out of the conversation the anime is just as reliable as the manga and provides for majority of the information and pics, if you dont like that u might want to start your own just on the manga. Salubri 01:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That's blatantly incorrect. The anime often adds in non-canon material where it does not belong.  Pictures are fine; I have no problem with the pictures.  But if you're going to cite the anime as a main source and ignore the manga, you're not doing the series justice.  Big red01027 02:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Regardless thats how it is the anime is whats more prevalent then the manga. While yea it does as non-canon stuff it becomes canon by virtue of mixing with actual events. They have to add more content its a show therefore it has to have more to then the manga, your entitled to your opinion but your new and thats how we do it here Salubri 02:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So because I'm new my opinion is less valid, despite it being correct? OK then.  By the way, are you one of the admins here?  Or just a regular user like me?  Big red01027 02:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I didnt say your opinion didnt matter i said in fact that your entitled to it. Just as your entitled to assume your right. I am not a admin by choice i prefer to be a regular of 3 yrs created a majority of the profiles if you wanna know so take it up with them if you want but its a no go. anything anime only is listed as such. what the problem stems from is how you come on here and assume that because your some purist your opinion is more valid then what we already doing. Salubri 02:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The manga is the primary source. The anime is a secondary source.  Whether or not I'm a purist has nothing to do with it.  And if you have a problem with me, take it up with me; don't run off and whine to other people.  Big red01027 02:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Im not whining to anyone im just informing. i dont have a problem with you either, your not the first guy on here thinking he knows more then everyone else. i have nothing against like i said your entitled to your opinion if your not happy then fine but that doesnt make you right im not having an argument i said what i had to say its over as far as im concerned. Salubri 02:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think I know more than everyone else. I expressed my opinion with the intent of making this place better and more informative.  Big red01027 02:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

It is informative and taking out the anime means taking out all of it you cant pick and choose information just cause it doesnt go with what u prefer. I never said the manga wasnt a primary source i said that anime tends to be more recognized due to its format. Anything anime only is basically listed as such on various pages. Your basically asking to totally destroy the site and majority of what its made of, i dont even know why were arguing about it really. Im sorry if i seemed like i was being a jerk, like i said your entitled to your opinion but take into account what your asking and what that would do. This site is for both sources trust that its all worked out. alot cant even be addressed with the info from the manga which is in still shot photos of black and white that tend to be hard to interpret majority of the time you need the anime for that. Sorry Klross for using your talk page in this argument Salubri 03:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You're misinterpreting my original comment. What I said was that we should cut down on the speculation "just a bit".  I'm not saying blow the damn thing up.  I'm saying improve it little by little.  Speculation is not informative.  It's fine for the purpose of discussing the series, of course.  I think anything that can't be addressed from the manga is probably a minor detail.  If you have an example, that would be helpful.  Big red01027 03:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)