Forum:Byakuya Kuchiki

This thread is for discussing Byakuya Kuchiki. Any other threads about him that are created outside of this one will be merged into here. Tinni 17:37, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Byakuya Kuchiki - son of Kōga Kuchiki ?
Could Byakuya Kuchiki be Kōga Kuchiki`s son ?

I am saying this, because in the Bleach wiki entry of Byakuya Kuchiki says : ".... He (Byakuya Kuchiki) would spend countless hours training, in preparation of taking over the leadership of the Kuchiki family and the 6th Division from his grandfather, Ginrei Kuchiki." And also, in the anime , about Kōga Kuchiki is said "...(Kōga Kuchiki)was also a member of the Kuchiki noble family, having married into it." and later the Bleach wiki entry on him states " ... his father-in-law Ginrei ..."Amagai88 16:01, December 16, 2009 (UTC)Amagai88

I am certainly waiting for Byakuya to call Koga "father". I also want to see the face of his mother. She must be so pretty! I also wonder if Kubo is willing to do a omake manga chapter that makes official Koga's relationship to the Kuchiki family. Tinni 17:17, December 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * speaking of Kubo, does he also give ideas to the anime writers, especially this filler? i wish Koga would be a canon character. --WinterFox 03:33, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

I find it difficult to believe that Kubo would let the anime people wildly veer off from his picture of the world he created. Particularly with information as relevant to one of Bleach's most central characters as who Byakuya's father is. This fact may never raise its head in the manga but its still out there in the anime and who would want to create competeting and contradictory storylines? Great Cthulhu 03:48, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Kubo is consulted by the anime studio and Koga may well be a Ashido Kanō, who was originally developed by Kubo to appear in the manga but was dropped due to time issues. Kubo included his development information with manga volume 261. Maybe, he'll do something similar with Koga. Assuming Koga was developed by Kubo and I think he was. He did develop the Zanpakuto spirits, so I don't see why he couldn't have developed Koga at the same time he developed Muramasa. That would be the kind of thing Kubo would do. Tinni 07:29, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I am happy to hear this, Tinni. So, are Koga, Muramasa, Ashido considered or will be considered canon characters already?--WinterFox 23:44, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Firstly, Koga and Muramasa have not made an appearance in the Manga yet, so no they are strictly anime-only. Ashido has information included in his article where we explained that he was developed by Kubo for inclusion in the manga but was dropped due to time issues and that his development material was included in volume 29. As far as the wiki is concerned Ashido is still anime-only. But I know that among fans he is consider quasi-canon as he and and the forest of the menos is part of Kubo's vision for Bleach. But yes, unless Kubo draws it in the manga, it is not canon. Just because Kubo does produce special things for use in other mediums all the time. Like special stories for games. Characters for awful filler arcs like the Bount (just thinking of that arc makes me so angry!!!!). So unless he draws it, it's not canon. Tinni 02:11, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * PS. Colourful Bleach chapters are considered Canon because Kubo did draw them and have them publish as a humorous supplement to his world in Shonen Jump Monthly. Tinni 02:11, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Just to point out another anime-only character who was also designed by Kubo. Jin Kariya. Minato (Talk)  23:55, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Unfortantely no one is considered a canon character unless written and drawn by Kubo in the manga to be technical. There is a possability if there is some signifcance to Koga being a part of the family we may see this revelation later down the line in the manga making it canon information. Salubri (Talk)  00:23, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * i see. if characters are shown in the manga omake, will they be considered canon?--WinterFox 05:38, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes. Tinni   (Talk)  09:55, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

I was reading the end of SS arc again, and noticed this: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/179/14/ Byakuya swore on his parents' grave that he wouldn't break rules again. This should mean that his parents are both dead. Therefore Koga couldn't be his fater. But it might be symbolic too, meaning that when Koga was imprisoned, he "died" in the eyes of Kuchiki family and could be respected as dead person. What do you others think of this? --Akeki 09:26, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * If Koga's rebellion was erased from Soul Society history, Byakuya could have been told his father died. Whichever way we'll soon find out exactly how Koga fits into the Kuchiki story. It should be interesting. Tinni   (Talk)  09:55, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Did he lose intentionally?
I was going to post this in Byakuya's talk page, but I figured that it'd moved here. It can't be resolved anyway, so here goes: At the end of Byakuya's fight with Ichigo, when he used Shukei, Senbonzakura dissolves just before Tensa Zangetsu comes into contact with it []. The anime portrayed it this way as well. Both of them took a lot of damage in the end, but the way it was shown in a flashback seemed to imply that he wasn't just trying to be sneaky about hitting Ichigo in an unexpected way. My question is whether or not Byakuya did this with the intention of letting Ichigo hit him decisively (because he was conflicted between following the law and saving Rukia), ensuring that he win the battle. Just a few pages later, he outright says that he can no longer stop Ichigo from saving Rukia, almost as if it were his intention. This might have been discussed before, and maybe nobody will respond, but I just wanted to see what somebody else might think. Mohrpheus 02:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm inclined to agree here!! Not only did Byakuya not use Gokei against Ichigo but I agree with the assessment of his blade and how it dwindled away as his blades instead of outright snapping it or breaking it!! I think we saw a change in Byakuya when he witnessed Ichigo being taken over as if he could see just how far Ichigo was willing to go and just what he had put himself through to get to Rukia, so much so that a Hollow had developed within him!! He is not as resolute as he hd been reviously in the battle and I think he realized Hollow Ichigo could have very well killed him had he been allowed!! That battle was about control more than anything about Byakuya's conflicting wills and Ichigo's conflicting personalities (him and Hollow), perhaps he sensed just how conflicted Ichig was too in the Hollow presence!! Speculation of course but Byakuya is probably the most complicated character in the series, its nice to discuss!! SunXia   (Chat)  00:13, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

I looked at the picture you posted, and it looked as if Ichigo blade was cutting though the sword at the time. I kind of remember in the anime his blade giving out early but it always seem to me like it was Ichigo reistu cutting the blade apart. You should try and find another better picture if you can


 * That is the only picture, iirc.

Intentionally, I highly doubt Byakuya let Ichigo win. You don't pull out your best attack with the intention of letting the other guy win. I think Ichigo's resolve was higher. Byakuya may have been internally conflicted over (essentially) killing Rukia, which may have limited his ability to fight properly. I seriously doubt he pitched the battle intentionally. Ratiqu 14:51, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Byakuya's father? Soujun Kuchiki
I read in Onemanga this interview in a forum, no idea of its credibility or if this has already once been discussed.

http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=81038&page=10

Translated inteview. Info about Byakuya's dad. Credits to jkid@BA

Q:朽木蒼純（そうじゅん）というのは...？ Q: And the one called Soujun Kuchiki (Kuchiki Soujun) K:久保：百哉のお父さんですね、もう死んでしまったんですが. Kubo: Byakuya's father, but he already died. Q:それは戦いによって？ Q: Is it because of a fight? K:久保：はい. 元々そんなに戦いには向いていなかったんですが、朽木家だから才能があるし、銀嶺(ぎんれ い) が気に掛けていて、体も弱いし戦いに向いていないけれど、｢次の当主にならなきゃいけないから」と取り立て て副隊長にしたんです. でも、 結局戦いで死んでしまった. Kubo: *Yes. Normally he wouldn't have proceeded to battle, but because he is (from the) Kuchiki family he had talent, he was concerned about Ginrei and even though his body was weak and couldn't proceed to battle he "had to become the next head of the family" so he became a lieutenant. But after all he died. Q:才覚はもちろんあったでしょうか？ Of course he had a *plan/device, right? K:久保：能力があるんだけど、大人しいっていうか、すごい優しい人だったんです. Kubo: He had abilities, but I should say he was a rather quiet/obedient, amazing, kind person.

The Platinum Shadow (talk) 19:46, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yes it is fact a result of the new Bleach Databook Masked. Which confirms many new characters from the Turn back the pendulum arc and information on the arrancar and vizard as well. Salubri (Talk)  19:53, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

How Long?
Im not sure if this has been discused(pardon spelling) but how long has he been a captain? When he appeared in agent of shinigami arc. he didnt have a haori, but when he appeared latter in SS he had one. So how long has he been captain?Scott swag (talk) 22:59, October 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * "Less than 49 years ago and not long before Rukia joined the Gotei 13, Byakuya became the captain of the 6th Division." - from the Byakuya Kuchiki article. 16:36, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

"To protect my pride"?
Well, I was watching this week's episode and recalled Byakuya saying that he was following his instinct, which was "to protect his pride", right? I thought of it and remembered Byakuya's fight against Zommari where he said "I'm killing you because you dared point such a dull blade at my pride", and the picture passed to Rukia holding her sword against her neck. I interpreted that as if Rukia was, metaphorically of course, Byakuya's pride. So maybe when he joined the zanpakutos to follow his instinct of protecting his pride, he's trying to protect Rukia. It doesn't make much sense considering that he "killed" Sode no Shirayuki, but then again, it's Byakuya who has prevented Rukia from escalating ranks to protect her from dangerous mission. Maybe from his twisted POV, ripping Rukia of her Shinigami powers, he's protecting her? I agree that it makes little sense, but it's still a possibility I think. I'd like to hear your opinions about this. Lia Schiffer 21:07, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

I think you're absolutely right....except for his twisted point of view part, I think he knows what he's doing and as we all know, Rukia's zanpakuto can't be destroyed in a filler. It's somehow revive if it ever died in the first place that is. Asesiel

Well, I don't know how Sode No Shirayuki is going to comeback, but she will. Aside from that Byakuya would never betray the Soul Society(In the past he has even threatened to kill Rukia in order to follow the Soul Society's laws). I think hes trying to get closer to Muramasa so he can kill him. I think if Muramasa dies his spells over the Zanpakuto will disappear & the Zanpakuto will go back to their respective owners. I think thats how Marechiyo will get his Gegetsuburi back. Minato88 21:32, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

"Rukia's zanpakuto can't be destroyed in a filler" Maybe Byakuya figured out that this is a filler arc and therefore he can't harm Rukia anyway ;) Just kidding ^_^ Akeki 22:16, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Of course I never implied that Byakuya didn't know what he was doing. As Akeki said, surely Byakuya knows this is a filler arc (Ulquiorra did talk about an script before in the PV before the filler started), because Byakuya knows EVERYTHING, and surely knows that the animators will come up with some excuse to brin Shirayuki back. Actually I thought at first that, once reunited with Rukia, she would go back to be a part of her soul. But jokes aside, I'm sure Byakuya has something in mind, far beyond betraying Soul Society. But I also think that this so called betrayal is not for the sake of getting close to Muramasa and defeating him, that would be too obvious and we know the Pierrot guys can do better. I hope it's something that no one will have expected. Lia Schiffer 00:07, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

I think Captain Kuchiki can hurt Soul Society. Isn't he under Muramasa's control? He talks like one of the controlled zanpakuto. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 00:08, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

I also thought that when he said that he was protecting his pride he was alluding to rukia in some way. But I'm not sure. But I'm quite sure that he definitely has something up his sleeve, and is planning something. KnowledgeandImagination 00:15, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Better question is: Why hasn't this guy been kicked out of the Gotei 13? I mean, he'll most likely turn his back on Muramasa but this is just plain irritating x: Kaihedgie 01:44, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the POV about Rukia. I was wondering the same thing myself. Here's a thought though that kind of follows that.. He's after something. Remember the episode where he knocks out a few people and we see him go into the hall of records? I think he knows who Murasama belonged to. I am really wondering if it wasn't to his wife. Where else would he have met her if not the academy? There has to be a strong reason for his behavior and he loves her still. Also, remember the opening for several episodes (starting with 199)? Somehow that has to tie in, what if this is how? If he thinks he can do something to bring her back, I think he would take it, and maybe Murasama is the key to it. What do you think?

.wicked.

Rukia's already beaten Sode no Shirayuki, so maybe this is just a sly way of returning it to her. He could very well be an inside man; the comment about Rukia being his pride does make a fair bit of sense as regards to his current actions. And as for PSI's comment about talking like the zanpakuto, I think Laurence Olivier's famous 'Try acting, dear boy' retort sto Dustin Hoffman ums it up best.

As for Muramasa belonging to Hisana, I don't think so. She died of illness. Muramasa said he killed his previous owner. TomServo101 10:15, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Hey wicked, the opening starting with ep 199 was a preview for the third Bleach Movie. If u want to see it go to youtube or bleachget.com. Minato88 14:58, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

I wanted to point out some things about wicked's comment. No, Muramasa is definitely not Hisana's. Muramasa killed his owner, Hisana died from illness. Hisana was no Shinigami. It is unclear how she met Byakuya, but it was certainly not in the academy. Firstly because, again, Hisana wasn't a Shinigami as far as we know. And Byakuya presumably never went to the Academy because he's a noble. When Rukia was adopted into the Kuchikis she graduated automatically and entered the Gotei 13 just because she was a noble. Back to Byakuya, I agree with whoever wrote that Byakuya was probably researching about Muramasa's wielder and that he discovered something, which made him join the zanpakuto, for real or not, that's beyond me. But Byakuya will always have my support hehe. Lia Schiffer 23:48, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Since Byakuya broke into the records of Soul Society, and it was mentioned in the Bount arc that the Kuchiki clan was responsible for keeping those type of records he probably found something about Muramasa that nobody else knows and he doesn't seem like the type of person who would resort to such lengths just to get close enough to kill Muramasa if he wanted that he could have done it when he arrived in the middle of Ichigo and Senbonsakara's battle my theory is that he probably planned on finding some info by going "underground" for a while after he realised that everyone thought he was dead or captured when being engulfed by the cherry blossom blades, and right now has his own agenda.--SalmanH 20:40, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I realize now it was for the 3rd movie. Just seen it and i loved it! I thought Rukia was close to graduating anyway when she was adopted in? I know its never been said where they met, but how else would they have met? It's not like a noble like him was in her poor district and not like Hisana would have been allowed into the noble circles. It was just a logical idea that I was looking for feed-back on since we were discussing theories anyway. Byukuya knows something for sure, now we just have to wait and see what. He just doesn't strike me as the type to go under-cover though. But if Captian Commander issued it, who knows?

Oh, and Murmusa never said HOW he killed his owner, right? Hisana was ill and being Byukuya's wife, would have had the best treatment available. Would there be a treatment if my thoery was right? I;m not arguing, just discussing possible theories. .wicked. 17:41, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

I think that when Byakuya mentions "his pride" he is referring to his family, as in a "Pride of lions". Also as for Byakuya defecting, just think about it; how the hell could Byakuya defeat Senbonzakura, I think he is trying to reclaim his Zanpakuto through other means. Jingwa_Nyanda 22:52, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. It doesn't seem like Byakuya to use such a cowardly method. Not to mention that he has proved quite proficient in fighting, even without his zanpakuto. He can still use Shikai, which few shinigami have achieved since the beginning of the arc, and even without it, he was able to defeat Sode no Shirayuki, and we shouldn't underestimate her power, considering that Ichigo couldn't defeat her using his Bankai. And Muramasa's power doesn't seem to be "to make people ill", so I doubt he could've killed Hisana like that (if she was even a Shinigami, which I strongly doubt) Lia Schiffer 09:52, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Well, considering that Kira was 'lesser nobility', Kyoraku 'high-ranking nobility' Ukitake being from a'low-class aristocratic family' (at least if you actually trust this wiki we're all posting in), then it doesn't sound like nobility= don't need to go to the academy-- more that you can just pull strings to get out of it early instead.-- that or it only applies to the 4 noble families-- the pillars and all, and all other nobility can't do that sort of thing/for some reason didn't feel the need to.

But on that, his pride has refered to his pride as both a noble and Shinigami as well-- so I had felt it more to be that then the Rukia thing-- Either like how Ashido is a 'Shinigami= kill as many hollows as possible' sort of way, in which he'll do anything as a Shinigami to kill threats-- Muramasa does seem to have at least some connection to hollows-- or maybe he recog. it as a noble houses special ability-- he did use extra force after finding who ganju was afterall. Or it could be that, as a Shinigami, he feels that the captain commander is the soul of the Gotei 13= doing anything to get him free= win, or that as a noble, some weird tradition dictates what he should do in this situation--- like ancient law on two wielders of the same Zanpakuto sounded odd to me... As a noble he could also feel that it's important to (though since it's filler i don't think this would be the case) side with who he feels would win, regardless of personal feelings on it-- like how he was trying to carry out the law even if he didn't REALLY want to kill her. It could for that matter be another use of that promise to his parents--- like a law exists and applies here. Or it could even be that the old man got a hell butterfly to him before he was sealed-- and he's actually under orders (which would allow them an easy excuse in this situation as well), personally I hope it's not that though...Worldninja

I think he needs someone to punch him in the face and tell him to shove his pride. Senbonzakura seems to be a bit fail (though he does look cool). Byakuya could probably own him. He might just want to have a squiz at Muramasa's real intentions.

Necklace
That necklace that Byakuya is wearing when he adopts Rukia (image is in his article) what is it? Does it bear any significant meaning or such? Cerez365™☺ 22:32, May 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nothing really indicates what if any importance it has. It appears to be a part of the ceremonial/formal outfit he was wearing for the adoption. It may serve a functional purpose in keeping the robe like white outergarment on him. Likely its just a sign of the Kuchiki family's wealth.Licourtrix (talk) 23:44, May 8, 2011 (UTC)