Bleach Wiki talk:Administrators

Committee Nominations (Minato88)

 * 1)  Minato88 has put himself up for nomination to the Policy & Standards Committee. What I have found in regard to his qualifications are that he is commonly on the site, he gets along with others, always wiling to help with an issue or debate, he is keen on jumping into doing the projects on the wiki. He is vigilante when it comes to getting rid of speculation and vandalism and tries to adhere to the policies of the wiki. He would be a welcome addition to the committee. Salubri 21:18, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * 2)  I agree. Both from looking through his contributions list and from memory, his edits have been very good. One thing that sticks out in my memory is that he re-organized the character pages in accordance with the Layout Guide in the Manual of Style (trivia, quotes & relationship sections had been out of correct order) and has done some episode summaries in the past too. He would be a great member of the committee. --Yyp 23:19, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * 3)  Minato88 does make a good effort to conform to wiki policies and works hard to help others and be a benefit to the community. I think it'd be good to have his (her?) eye on the recent anime episode summaries created and I think s/he'd do a good job making new ones. Twocents 04:23, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * 4)  Minato88 seems pretty much on the level. He follows through on our policies well enough, and has helped with the articles immensely, adding content, references, and rearranging them in the right order. He also talks to other users when he feels they should know a few things they haven't read up on yet. He's got my vote. Arrancar109 05:30, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Uploading Images
I've noticed this for quite some time, and I was thinking: how long after someone uploads an image should we give them time to do something with it before deleting it? Or should we just continue to allow every image (barring pornographic ones) to stay on file? Some people upload images for their user pages (I assume) and they never get used, but a lot of recent additions have been poor quality images that have been added to an article (and subsequently removed), but the image file stays on hand. I noticed a while back that some users were reprimanding others for uploading duplicate files, but with how many images we have uploaded (especially ones with non-descriptive names), it's not surprising that similar or identical images get uploaded all the time. I figured it's probably our job to be deleting unused image files, so duplicates aren't constantly being added, and it'd be a good way to demonstrate to users that we won't tolerate poor images being constantly added. (By poor, I mean ones with low image quality, with subtitles, with mouse arrows in them, with black bars that should have been cropped out, etc. as well as ones that violate our rules, such as fan-colored images that are added to articles and the like.)

It's just been something I've been pondering for a while, and I wondered what you guys thought. Twocents 21:15, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

There is a large amount of unused pictures on the site. In the case of poor quality images that are removed from pages but left alone, I think we should list them for deletion when removing them from the pages and if nobody expresses support for them, delete them after a few days. I did add it to the manual of style that pictures should be given names descriptive of their content. Something I was thinking of adding to the user page policy was that users should mark for deletion any picture that they uploaded for their profile if they are no longer using it. Problem is that most of them won't remember to do this (or may never even notice that in the manual). --Yyp 15:57, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

That makes sense. It'll give people time to find alternate uses for the images - such as if they want to put them on their user page instead - and it'll cut down on unused, poor quality, and/or duplicate images. I think we can add that second part to the User Page Policy, and while we don't have much control over whether users actually remember to do that or not, it may help. Twocents 19:53, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I went through all the images uploaded in the month of November. (Well, not all of them. I generally assumed that we were capable of uploading useful images.) It's surprising how many duplicate files, unused images and images with useless file names were uploaded. I deleted all the duplicates (and one in clear violation of our rules) and marked all the unused ones for deletion. We can wait a few days to give people enough time to find a use for them or argue for why they should be kept. I didn't know what to do with the ones with poor file names, but I'm wondering if we should move them to ones that are more descriptive; that way, those that are considering uploading similar images will at least be able to search and see if it already exists. Twocents 03:19, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've moved a few of the poorly named ones to descriptive names. I didn't touch the ones that were already listed for deletion, as there is little point unless it is decided to keep any of them. --Yyp 14:42, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Added that bit about users marking old profile pictures for deletion to user page policy. --Yyp 18:42, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

I have gone through October's uploads, so every unused pic back to the 30 September is marked for deletion. If nobody has done anything with them, I'll start deleting them at the end of the month. --Yyp 14:54, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've gotten back to the start of August now. I'm not going any further for now (there's a total of 240 files marked for deletion atm). On Monday or Tuesday I'll start to delete those that are still unused. --Yyp 14:24, November 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll make a start on them tomorrow morning. There are now 260 of them. --Yyp 10:28, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Also if the pics are quality you can protect them from being duplicated read the admin section or protection under help i think there is something there on protecting the name of a pic so duplicates arent made. Salubri 23:30, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

User Pages
Salubri and I have recently noticed that some users have taken a liking to creating their own Shinigami-esque characters, which we both feel is more suited for the wikis that focus on fanon. However, we generally don't mind it, except in cases where it's clear that they merely come on to the wiki to work on this character. This is particularly apparent for User:Eliskuya2. We've noticed that he tends to make multiple, minor edits to his user page, possibly merely for the sake of increasing his edit count. He makes few edits to actual articles, most of which seem to be modifying quotes for no apparent reason.

We also think he might have a problem with following the rules. As my edits to his user page telling him to not maintain a hitlist inspired the responses of telling me that it was "bull poop," deleting my edits with the edit summary saying (word-for-word), "I dislike you..Twocents..I hope sooner or later they well put you in time out :P" and "*facepalm*" and then he went to Yyp and asked her to make me stop. I've also seen him calling the admins he likes with the honorific "-sama" and I've seen him tell other users to stop something or else he'd make his "best friend" admin block them or whatever. I just get the feeling that he thinks he's above the rules.

While we might be willing to overlook occasional work on a user page that's done in addition to help edits to articles, we think that his attitude, generally poor interactions with and treatment of other users, and his complete focus on editing his user page possibly warrant something being said or done. When I warned him about his violations of policies on his talk page, I linked him to the User Page Policy three times and Yyp linked him to it twice. There's no reason he should be unaware of the policies outlined on that page, which clearly say that editing of a user page should be limited as the focus on this wiki is on the factual information contained in the articles.

It's not fair to the other users (who I've noticed have commented on his excessive editing to his user page) if we disregard the actions of someone who's ignoring one of our policies. The question, then, is what, if anything, should we do? Twocents 06:05, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

I don't really care what he has on his user page (so long as it's within the rules), and I would be alright with someone making a vast amount of edits to their user page, so long as they also made a fair amount of regular contributions to the main site. But I agree that this guy is making a disproportionate amount of edits to his own page compared to the main site. I have also noticed some poor treatment of others (although not recently - bar the comment to Twocents). imo something should be done, but I'm less certain about what exactly to do. I think he should be encouraged to contribute more regularly to the wiki while asking him to cut down on the editing of his user page. Maybe casually tell him about the bleach fanfic wiki where he can edit it as much as he wants. About his interactions with others, if he treats anyone poorly again in future, he should get a warning for it like anyone else would. --Yyp 15:57, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

That makes sense. Like a cheerful message asking him to redirect editing efforts into the actual articles on the site, directing him to the Manual of Style in case he's unsure on how to properly edit articles, and adding in that there are other wikis that support and encourage fanfiction-esque content, where we don't so much. I could go along with that, depending on what Arrancar109 and Salubri think. And I agree that while his poor interactions with other users have been generally ignored previously, we should be intolerant of rude comments being directed toward others, as we would with anyone else. Twocents 19:57, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

I see that he has added the Bleach Fan Fiction Wiki to the "where you can find me at" section of his page this morning. --Yyp 14:48, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, there has been no improvement in this since it was last raised. Only 18 out of his 70 edits in the last month are to the wiki - the rest were on his page and mine & Twocent's pages. I've just gone through the edit history of the guy's user page and there are just shy of 1,000 edits to it, of which less than a dozen are by other people. That's virtually half of his total edits on this wiki. I'm leaving him a message. If he doesn't shape up, I was thinking of locking his user page for a week, and if he doesn't fall in line, then lock it indefinitely until he learns his lesson. -- Yyp  (Talk)  23:05, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Im all for it. Salubri 23:30, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Support & Oppose Voting
Hey. I have moved the votes from the vote for Novembers featured article to the archive and have opened the vote for December's feature. Since Salubri added the Support/Oppose system to the voting policy a couple of weeks ago, I have changed the voting method on the three vote pages to reflect that. There has been a request for clarification on whether, under the new system, "1 vote per user" means only 1 vote regardless of whether you vote oppose/support, or are you allowed to cast 1 support vote and 1 oppose vote. --Yyp 15:51, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Actually thats a good question. Due to the change in the system I would say that a user should be allowed to support one and oppose another as thats technically what they are doing regardless though i think it should be highly stressed that when making these votes in general for anything it should be for the quality of the article. Now in the past i have seen people make comments to the effect of saying they just picked whoever cause they think he is awesome and that he's gonna do this or that in a fight, which is baseless and speculative. What happened to this character would be good for article of the month because they're article is well done or I pick whomever because of the large they are currently playing the series or will be playing. Also maybe I pick so and so because they dont get alot of recognition. I oppose this pick because he was recently already picked to be featured article or his article needs work or he is not at the forefront of storyline at this time. Im just saying that should be the policy if your making a comment make it substantial if your voting say you either support or oppose and sign your name, I should be able to click the name and it should take me to the users page. Salubri 20:59, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I've clarified the number of votes allowed in the voting policy and on the page of the 3 votes, as well as mentioning it on the respective Talk Pages. --Yyp 23:31, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

To clarify: When it comes time to count the votes, will we count it by adding all the support and subtracting out all opposing ones and then whatever has the highest count will win? Twocents 04:17, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, this is what happens when I pop off for a week. I see you already decided that. Sorry. ^_^; I still have a lot of edits and changes to pages to look through. Twocents 04:22, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Having poked around a bit more, should we add to the voting policy what counts as a poor reason for opposing an article, quote or picture? Since people can vote all month long for the latter two, and a talk page can get kind of cluttered, it might be nice to have a central place for people to reference it. Along those same lines, are we going to start deleting votes that support something without good reason? (In particular, I'm thinking of the votes supporting articles that say something like, "Because so-and-so is so cool!" and that's it.) It seems a bit unfair to delete poor votes for opposing something if we also don't enforce our reasons for why people should support the article, picture, or quote. Twocents 04:36, November 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * About the support votes - I was in the process of removing some of them, then stopped myself as I would have ended up removing nearly all the votes for Yammy & Zaraki! Some of the reasons given are borderline as to whether they're valid reasons or not, while there are others that seem like character bashing, but then stick in an actual valid reason right at the end. So a list of valid reasons for support/oppose should be added to the policy to clarify exactly what is & isn't allowed, to avoid anyone saying we're being unjust/inconsistent in what we allow. These are what I have atm, though I'm sure there are other good reasons, so do add any others in.

Support:
 * Yes: The character has a good quality article;
 * Yes: They are playing a significant role in the series right now;
 * Yes: You think they are more suitable to be featured than the other candidates;
 * No: You just really like the character or think they're awesome or are going to do something special (speculation);

Oppose:
 * Yes: You think the article needs more work before it is ready to be featured;
 * Yes: They have already been featured (or not enough time has elapsed since they were last featured);
 * Yes: You don't think that they have played much of a prominent role in the story;
 * Yes: You think that there is another article that is even more worthy of recognition;
 * No: You hate the character.

I'd also like to hear any thoughts about how the voting is going with the new system. I'm getting annoyed with the poor reasons, but that can be resolved with the list and clamping down. I know there has previously been switching of votes by people to try to stop a character they dislike from winning, but it is becoming far more prominent now. Also, we are likely to see a low total score for the winner, and some characters have minus scores right now. Should we consider saying that the winner must have a minimum of (+) 3 votes to be valid? Or is it fine the way it is? --Yyp 10:28, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

What time do we call a close to this vote at? Midnight according to the timestamps when people vote, or midnight in one of the US timezones? I'm going to leave it open for now, and if it is the former, we can simply discard any votes that are added after midnight on the timestamps. I would go with the wiki's timekeeping system, but I think it should be written into the rules either way, so everybody knows where they stand. --Yyp 00:08, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think those additions are fine and it'd clarify what constitutes as a good vote. I thought of something else to add: under the "no" for support voting, voting for one article/quote/picture just because it looks like another one might win and you don't want that other article/quote/picture to win.
 * Plus, with a policy, no one can say that an admin overstepped the bounds. For the featured article, at least, I'm fine with requiring at least +3 total points. The featured picture and quote aren't as voted on yet, it seems, so we might have to wait until that gets more well-known before setting a limit like that. As far as the times, I think it should be the time stamp on their signing of the vote. That way, anyone can look at it and see that it passed the time end closing time.


 * Speaking of, with three featured things, how do we handle this? Who counts the votes, or can any admin do it? How do we want to format the featured quote and featured picture? I kind of think they should go in the skinny, right-hand column since they aren't as large as the featured article and it'd fill out the column a little more. Twocents 02:20, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Ok well my point on this is simple I dont think we should have a vote based on if you like the character or not this is not vote for your favorite character. It's about the article is it a quality article, informative, referenced properly. Not whether you like him/her or not, not how awesome he or she is or how they wont be featured again cause they are gonna die or do to what a user percieves them possibly doing in future storylines. The article quality should be key as well as the significance to the series as a whole. Opposition should only be based on the lack of quality of the article or if you find there to be another article that should be considered because of its quality as well as the the significance to the series as a whole. Also to discourage opposition based on not liking the character, oppose should just signify why your haven't voted for the character in favor of another. Some users have got the point and stated how they oppose a pick because of insignificance in the overall story or lack of quality, this way others can be informed as well to why the article may not be noteworthy and their vote can be an informed one. Also that should cut down on unnecessary math, so all that would have to be worried about it simple addition to what users support the articles as was previously done instead of subtracting from support and oppose and all that. Previously featured articles shouldnt be on the list for 2 months. Characters no longer in the storyline shouldn't be posted up at all. in the event of lack of votes or tie the admin vote. Salubri 00:24, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose doesn't count towards the vote is fine with me. It would put an end to a lot of the stupid reasons and bashing, as well as the blatant attempted manipulation. If we go with that, the # should be removed from in front of the "oppose" template, so that people won't get the wrong idea when they see numbers in front of "oppose". And then would there be any point limiting the number of oppose votes to just 1, since it won't actually count - there might be more than one article/pic/quote with problems that need to be highlighted. So are there any objections to the using the timestamp on their votes and the oppose vote not counting towards the total votes? If not, I'll go ahead and change it in the policy. --Yyp 10:34, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Yea thats fine as long as its cleared up. The bashing is getting out of hand as well as the reasons the people place as legitimate it needs to be noted what is considered a legitimate vote. Salubri 23:30, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Requests for Adminship
Not sure if you've seen this already, but the Requests for Adminship page has attracted a couple of posts over the past day or so, with Gold3263301 and Nikorayu both making requests. Additionally, Tinni has put a message asking those considering asking for adminship to offer to help the Policy/Standards Cmtte. --Yyp 15:09, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we're looking for any more administrators ATM, but Gold3263301 would be considered, since he's been around for some time. As for Nikorayu... he just joined, and he only made 4 edits total. Even if we were looking for more Administrators, I wouldn't consider him at all, since he's new, we don't know much about him, and he has a very small edit history. Arrancar109 21:55, November 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree about Nikorayu. No way we can know if s/he is up to the task. If we're not looking for more admins, then I'll leave Gold3263301 a message about the committee, and see if he is interested (Minato88 has said that he is considering him for it). Also, if we're not looking for more admins, then maybe we should change the bit on that page which says that requests for adminship are open? -- Yyp  (Talk)  22:46, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Your right or at the very least make it know the criteria for adminship is pretty high. Salubri 23:30, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Committee Nomination (Mohrpheus)
Minato88 has nominated Mohrpheus for a position on the Policy & Standards Committee. While I have an idea of how I will vote, I haven't had a chance to review his contributions yet, so I'll wait until I look them over before voting. --Yyp 21:54, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * 1)  His edits are good quality (and well explained in the edit summaries). Regular enough editor. Has been vigilant against speculation. Very good at spotting and fixing grammar errors. Seems to get along well with others. I think he would make a good member of the committee. --Yyp 00:02, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * 2)  I agree. I've seen that most of his edits are reasonable, and he's been helping on keeping the speculation down. I say we do it. Arrancar109 21:55, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * 3)  He's been helpful to us before and he seems to make good edits. I'm okay with him joining that committee. Twocents 04:18, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * 4)  I will coincide with you all on this nomination as he does edits of good quality and is regular enough. He is good with speculation and fixing grammar errors. He seems to get along with others so yea I'll back this nomination. Salubri 19:00, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Featured Quote, Picture, Article
I've gone through the featured picture, quote and article, and we need a tiebreaker for the featured picture. Each has +4 votes.

Personally, I think the second oppose vote on the Byakuya bankai picture is invalid, since he states that it's a good picture, but he simply dislikes it because it features Byakuya instead of another character. If we delete that one as being an illegitimate reason for opposing the picture, then that puts that one at +5. Otherwise, I can see arguments for both. The second picture has more people supporting it, but the first picture has fewer people who hate it.

And the winning quote is the Sōsuke Aizen: Gods.

As for the featured article, just looking at the current votes, Kenpachi and Yammy are tied. In my opinion, by our new standards, Yammy has -1 legit votes (On the supporting side, I accept Mohrpheus's, NewFoundGlory's, and Tinni's as being within the rules and on the opposing side, Lia Schiffer's, Shinitenshi's, Ethelion's, and SunXia's as being acceptable.) Kenpachi has +4 legit votes (Supporting: Stark373's, SunXia's, Minato's, Ethelion's, Moe1216's, MidoriPanda's votes. Opposing: Lord Ulquiorra's and NewFoundGlory's votes). So by that, I'd go with the majority and support Kenpachi. (I see what you mean Yyp: the majority of the votes are "rah, I hate/love him!" with a line thrown in making it a legit vote, if they remember to.)

Oh, and I haven;t done anything with the front page yet, since, like I said, I wasn't sure how the whole formatting thing would work. And we need to break the tie on the picture and the article anyway. Twocents 02:42, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Ok well I think we can end the votes now. So it appears Kenpachi has won by legitimate vote. So I'll close it at this point and put together his profile. Salubri 03:45, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan. Do you have any opinion on the featured pic? Twocents 03:56, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

I'll go with Byakuya & kenpachi vs yammy. Salubri 04:05, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, so we leaving the featured pic & quote votes open all month long, yes? I'll move the votes from them to archive etc and get them ready for the new vote. Hopefully this time we'll have more contributions to it. --Yyp 10:19, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Man, just archived the featured article vote and moved all the illegitimate votes to the deleted votes section. That is a lot of junk. I agree with Twocents thoughts on the votes for Yammy & Zaraki, plus a load of the other votes were just as bad. --Yyp 10:59, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Cirucci Thunderwitch
Gah, I feel obnoxious with how many posts I've made here today.

Regardless, it was pointed out on the Talk:Cirucci Thunderwitch page that an official decision regarding the spelling of her last name hasn't been reached.

Personally, if the English manga translation and the anime both spell it Sanderwicci then I think that's what we should go with, even if it's not precisely how it sounds when pronounced. I don't think we have any canon source saying it was ever spelled Thunderwitch anyway, and if both the Viz translation and captions on the anime spell it Sanderwicci, then we should spell it the way the majority of the official sources spell it. Twocents 02:50, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I did forget to put in my input on this, but this is what I think: since more evidence point to "Sanderwicci" than "Thunderwitch", we should probably go with Cirucci Sanderwicci. Not only is it what the English manga went with, but after going through some of the older eps (in Japanese), it did sound like "Sanderwitch"; I think "Thunderwitch" might have been a mistake on either a subbers or a translator's part (which I can see why, when Cirucci introduces herself by her full name). Also, we should change Nelliel's article to Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck, since it's the only confirmed spelling. Those are my thoughts on both of those. Arrancar109 05:01, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

I say go with Sanderwicci. About Nel's last name, I've looked it over and since there is no confirmed romanization other than that dvd (and given what happened with Harribel), I think we should go with it. --Yyp 10:18, December 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm making a start on this then. --Yyp 18:27, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

So where gonna call the girl sandwich now lol ok. Salubri 18:41, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Cirucci is done. I didn't know what to do with the inter-language links, so I've left them as they are. --Yyp 19:02, December 2, 2009 (UTC)