Talk:Askin Nakk Le Vaar

Power level
So, I was thinking of changing Askin's Spiritual Power level from "great" to "immense", based upon his feats during the Soul King Palace fights (overpowering Yushiro, Yoruichi, Grimmjow, and Urahara), as well as his status as a Schutzstaffel. However, I wanted to see first if enough other users agree that Askin deserves an upgrade. Timjer (talk) 08:11, May 20, 2019 (UTC)


 * Hm. Generally I'm of the mindset that it's not always purely a Reiatsu thing when it comes to fight dominance (for example, Bazz-B is clearly nowhere near Hitsugaya's level, but he was trouncing him during their fight because fire beats ice every time), and Askin's power pretty much revolves around making his opponents weaker before he faces them, but even weakened his opponents weren't pushovers, and his status as a Schutzstaffel should mean something...I'll remain neutral on this one and accept the majority decision.--Xilinoc (talk) 16:11, May 20, 2019 (UTC)


 * I would be reluctant to upgrade him as much of his combat prowess is from his Deathdealing ability, not outright spiritual power. 10:52, May 22, 2019 (UTC)


 * Both of you have a point that most of Askin's feats are thanks to the Deathdealing, the whole "powers do the fighting" trope. However, I'd like to argue three things: for one a lot of characters (especially Sternritter) focus heavily on their signature powers in battle, yet those feats still count. Secondly, it should be taken into account that the Deathdealing probably won't be nearly as potent or effective if Askin himself wasn't very strong. And thirdly remember that Urahara has "Immense" SP himself, and Askin managed to keep standing near his Bankai with no effort and hold his own. TL;DR, Askin may not have the same raw power the other Schutzstaffel have, but that's honestly not saying much. Plus I doubt Askin is weaker than Hitsugaya or Harribel, who do have "immense" as their level. Timjer (talk) 11:03, May 22, 2019 (UTC)


 * So, since we still haven't reached a consensus on this, and a recent edit concering Askin's power has been reverted, I'd like to bring this up again: is Askin's power "Great" or "Immense"? While SunXia does have a point (when reverting it) that "Immense" is usually reserved for truly OP characters like Zaraki, it kinda falls flat concerning the rather large amount of characters that have "immense" as their power description. Especially since I kinda do think the Schutzstaffel are genuine part of that small percentage. Timjer (talk) 11:21, May 18, 2020 (UTC)


 * Have to bring this up again because of a recent edit made to Askin's page. It gives as a reference point to Askin's power that he defeated Yoruichi and Grimmjow. While this is certainly true, I'm on the fence on whether to remove this or edit it slightly. On one hand, it's mostly The Deathdealing that does the fighting for him, on the other hand, Askin does have a rather impressive record against opponents stronger than "Great" even taking The Deathdealing into account. So, again, what would you vote for? Keep Askin as "Great" or upgrade him to "Immense"? Especially since we agreed to upgrade Gremmy, despite the fact that The Visionary also does most of the fighting for him... Timjer (talk) 15:07, September 10, 2020 (UTC)


 * Honestly I guess it makes sense - it was kind of a big deal that out of ALL the Sternritter left in the Seireitei, Askin was the one appointed to Yhwach's personal guard, which should say something about his own personal level of power in addition to his Schrift, given how we classify Gerard, Lille, and Pernida. On top of that, I'm remembering Aizen and Kenpachi's lines about attacks being nullified if the target's Reiryoku/Reiatsu is that much higher/more powerful than the attacker's is, which correlates to the idea that in order to take down or even incapacitate heavy hitters like Ichigo, Yoruichi, and Urahara as easily as he did, Askin needed to be somewhat close to their level to begin with. I think the main factor keeping him at just "Great" for so long was the default idea that Quincy not named Yhwach couldn't possibly hit "Immense" by virtue of simply being empowered Humans, but given all the crazy stuff we saw from them during the last arc, that clearly needs to change...so moving Askin to Immense gets my vote too.--Xilinoc (talk) 15:40, September 10, 2020 (UTC)


 * I agree with that myself. I mean, from what we know with how Reiatsu even works Askin had to have a rather large amount himself to even remain standing against fighters such as Urahara, Yoruichi, & Nimaiya. Now that I think about it, that argument also works with the likes of Gremmy... Anyway, makes sense now to upgrade Askin, congrats to my favorite Shutzstaffel! Timjer (talk) 15:59, September 10, 2020 (UTC)