Talk:Lille Barro/Archive 2

Escondite Ingles
May someone change it to "Chocolate Inglés"? Confirmed by the raw scan: http://mangahead.com/index.php/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-645-Raw-Scan/08.jpg?action=big&size=original チョコラテ・イングレス chokorate inguresu.

Also, it's a spanish game, I don't know if it is from spain or latin america. So my cuestion is, should we add a Trivia section mentioning that he may have an spanish background? (I won't say anything about Arrancar becouse Kubo didn't mention it). I mean, his surname is "Barro" ("mud" in spanish) and his name sound pretty much like spanish (maybe Kubo played with the name Guillermo => "Guille" => Lille. Still, nothing cannon. It also can be couse of the french city). The point is, is obvius this character has some spanish background. Thnx--Masterjxf (talk) 23:09, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

X-Axis ability or Vollständig?
Considering the translation and the canon material, I'm still confused as to whether Jilliel's form is associated with Quincy: Vollständig. It was stated that his form is tied to the nature of his epithet, but it doesn't explain the differing appearance of Vollständig before and after opening his left eye. I feel the difference should be noted and/or explained in better detail, but should at least be considered if more information comes in the following chapters.Lokker G (talk) 23:16, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Flight power possibly worth adding.
Since Lillie is showing flying should the flight ability be added to his powers section.--JustaNobody (talk) 02:11, November 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * It has been added, thanks for brining it up. 12:15, November 2, 2015 (UTC)

A minor typo
If there is no mistake in ディアグラム, then it's pronounced as "diaguramu", not "deiaguramu". Will-O-Wisp (talk)

Signature Skill
I noticed that Lille's unique ability is still just All-Penetrating Shot on his profile page. But on the Sternritter page it's listed as Spatial Bullet Projection & Spatial Phasing. This would be more fitting, except, according to him, there are no bullets when the X-Axis is used. In BadKarma's translation of 646, he actually says "shots," not bullets; which makes sense because he would be contradicting himself otherwise.

So perhaps his signature skill could be 'All-Penetrating Shot & Spatial Phasing?' 10:20, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

Lille barros colors
As seen on the SR color page his rifle and fur clothing are NOT white, but more of a mustard color, this needs to be changed.--AskinNakkLeVaar (talk) 00:31, December 4, 2015 (UTC)

bump.--AskinNakkLeVaar (talk) 13:46, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

They look more like a khaki or olive drab color to me. 11:55, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

Last Sternritter to have a Schrift?
Lille states (Chapter 646, page 14) that he was the last to be granted a Schrift by Yhwach, and therefore the closest to God. But Askin states (Chapter 656, page 3) that he is the first to be ever granted a Schrift. Is there some kind of mistake on our interpretation of how they made their statements? Yatanogarasu (talk) 02:37, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * It could either be a retcon by Kubo or a mistranslation on the scanlation site's part. I think we should way until the official volume release in the US for this info.


 * Well, considering the fact that he was a Schutzstaffel for such a long time, and how he relied on his Schrift powers so much during the fight with Shunsui, it makes a lot more sense that he would be the first. Plus, the way he was talking about his power, he implied that he had it for a really long time which is why he survived as long as he did.


 * Guess we'll find out later (hopefully). 03:03, December 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * (Edit conflict) Until then, which should we go with? Yatanogarasu (talk) 03:04, December 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually, if he was the first, then his power may not be the most powerful, since the newer ones will have a trial-and-error effect to make a stronger Schrift (in theory). Therefore, I think it'd make more sense if he is indeed the last one. Yatanogarasu (talk) 03:09, December 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Regardless, just leave as is for now. 03:14, December 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * However he can't be the last because Uryū. And being last wouldn't likely give someone a god complex, being first would be much better for that.


 * Of course Uryū is the last; he meant he was the last before Uryū came along. But aside that, so we're just keeping both first and last in the history section as it is now? Yatanogarasu (talk) 06:27, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

He said he was the last one to be given a power, not a Schrift. 13:15, December 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * According to Haschwalth's explanation, the power and Schrift come hand-in-hand, so...--Xilinoc (talk) 13:55, December 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * According to Askin in the latest chapter, it's not necessarily so. 17:17, December 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but Gerard and Pernidas are not given powers because they were born with one each. Lille was not born with a power, so Yhwach gave him one. First or last, that's the problem. Could be a mistranslation on the latest chapter, since Chapter 646 is "last" in the original RAW scan. Yatanogarasu (talk) 19:55, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Yhwach said in Chapter 626 that Haschwalth was his first son... http://www.mangainn.me/manga/chapter/135858_bleach-chapter-626/page_18 20:53, December 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't recall Yhwach ever equating the Sternritter to his children - rather, he calls certain Quincy his "sons", like Ichigo. He probably only referred to Haschwalth as such because of the whole "other half" business. Anyway, that's neither here nor there in this discussion.--Xilinoc (talk) 00:01, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I have a possible interpretation on this contradicting claims of Lille: Lille was the first Quincy to be given a Schrift (the letter designation), but is the last Quincy (before Uryū) to drink blood and be granted power. Being given a simple letter and actually the power are two different things, that's what I think. Yatanogarasu (talk) 00:40, December 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * An alternative explanation could be that he is last Quincy from the first generation to be bestowed a Schrift. If you notice, he says "last Quincy," not "last Sternritter." If he was the first, then that means he would've had plenty of time to improve and refine his power; and would explain why he was so powerful. I'm sure the Sternritter can refine their powers like the Shinigami can; it's not like, 'BAM! You receive a letter, now you are really powerful.' Their power can improve over time. 02:33, December 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. I suppose that, when viz/cnet's version comes out next week, we'll see if the two statements can be reconciled like that.--Xilinoc (talk) 18:47, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Raws are out now and there weren't any mistranslations.

Ch646: 僕は陛下が最後に力をお与えになったクインシー

I am the last Quincy His Majesty granted power to.

Ch656: リジェさんは陛下が初めてシュリフトを与えたクインシー

Lille-san was the first Quincy His Majesty granted a Schrift to.

Maybe he was first one to get a Schrift but got (more) power much later. I guess we'll get an explanation of this... someday. 09:45, December 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * This might sound weird, but what if by "last," Lille actually meant he was "first?" I know it's a stretch, but it's possible he used "last" as an synonym for "first" for some reason. Ehh... or alternatively, the most logical explanation would be, Kubo most likely retconned the original statement because it was contradictory (Uryū actually being last), or he simply had mental blank and didn't think it through properly. 10:23, December 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * Don't worry the team has been talking about this vigorously if it seems like we haven't. Pretty much we going down the line of if he got his power last but his Schrift. We know from Gerard and Pernida that you can have power without Schrift so the two aren't necessary together so no reason to see that t can't be the reverse given what we have learnt. I don't think either chapter have been released in Volume format so it is possible that Kubo may have made a mistake and we have seen him correct himself in Volumes in the past. I'm of course not saying this is the case but what we have to work with now is that the Schrift and Power don't necessarily have to come together and one came first and the other came last for Lille. Until we get other confirmation that is. See What the other guys think.

Well Kman111, if I had to say, clearly Lille has a very big EGO, obliviously it wouldn't be a surprise that he would think he is above the other Sternritters, so his EGO just lets himself keep thinking that not only is he the first but he is also the last "true" one, either way Lille, would think he is closer to Yhwach than most. And also SunXia I agree with you we would have to wait until the next volume to see if it was a mistake, Kubo has done mistakes in the past like with chapter 559 about removing his eye-patch, but fixed it when the volume came out. CoolJazzman (talk) 15:16, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

OK, I found this link, https://m.reddit.com/r/bleach/comments/491o0t/lille_volume_71_fix/ it turns out that him being "the last Quincy to be granted power by Yhwach" was a mistake, I found this link stating that recently released new volume 71 fixed it, with a link to the picture on it. CoolJazzman (talk) 22:21, March 6, 2016 (UTC)