Talk:Hōgyoku

Use
Shouldn't Aizen's transformations be accounted in the accounts of use section? Darksusanoo (talk) 00:06, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

This page has not been updated in a while. I will be redoing a good portion of it when I get some time. I am still thinking out the best way to organize it--God (Pray)  00:08, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, and what about adding the fact the Hogyoku can chose or reject anyone as its master,like what happened with Aizen.-Hockey Machete (talk) 23:39, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

As said, I am overhauling this page so everything will be added--God (Pray)  23:42, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Powers
I don't think "Healing" should be included in the Powers section due to lack of evidence. All we know is that Aizen is that the Hōgyoku heals Aizen, but this could simply be an extension of his desires for the power to overthrow the Spirit King and trascendentalism. The regeneration/healing ability could be completely distinct to Aizen's own desires and not the Hōgyoku itself. We know that Orihime and Chad were both affected by the Hōgyoku and could still be injured and also that Urahara Kisuke was susceptible to injury while he was its "master." There just isn't enough information about all of its properties to state "Healing" as a definite power... the only thing we can really be relatively certain of is the Desire Materialization. Killbethy (talk) 22:50, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

It healed Aizen, didn't it? That makes it one of its powers. "Powers" is where we record what it can do (but not the cases that are absolutely specific). It was able to heal Aizen, so it can heal people. Besides that, Aizen said that it was the Hogyoku's doing. Until we are disproven with evidence unmovable as a mountain, it should remain as is. But you're right, it is a little shaky on evidence. Aeron Solo wuz here (talk) 17:49, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Orb of Distortion
Does anybody know where the Hougyoku is ever referred to by this name? It sounds familiar, but it seems to stem more from aged translations rather than being an actual alternative name. In which case, it should probably be removed, since it is not commonly referred to as such anyway. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  15:05, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

This name is completely new to me. Back then there were plenty of scanlations that have since disbanded, you must be remembering a version from in inactive scanlation. I'm not so sure it belongs in the article if we can't attribute it to a valid source and the only scanlation that is a valid source for us here is Ju Ni. WD  Converse  17:04, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking. I remember scanlators like Mangarain doing some of the older translations, such as when Zangetsu was originally presented as "Kitsuki." A lot of those older ones were fraught with error. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  17:12, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Gallery
Hey, I was thinking of adding a gallery page to the Hogyoku. Specifically once that details the Espada's Hogyoku forms and Aizen's Hogyoku forms. It would be good to have them all in one page, and they do contain shots of the Hogyoku itself and the effect it has on them. Anyone in agreement? Timjer (talk) 13:09, September 10, 2019 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me.--Xilinoc (talk) 17:02, September 10, 2019 (UTC)


 * Done. Seperated according to canon and non-canon and looks pretty good, if I say so myself. Timjer (talk) 18:06, September 10, 2019 (UTC)


 * Very nice, all that is left is Harribel and Baraggan. Darkmachines (talk)
 * Good idea and looks good. 19:48, September 10, 2019 (UTC)

Hogyoku =?= Cintamani / Buddist Philosopher's stone
https://youtu.be/fDijRTVyvQ8?t=1817 In the Bleach lore video above, the Hogyoku is compared to the 'Cintamani', a buddist analog to the Philosopher's Stone - that grants wishes critically similar to the befuddling Hogyoku itself.

Is this bit of lore-theory applicable to the page, and if/when so, how/where should it go within the page? My first thought is a new 'Notes & Trivia' heading but I don't know how this wiki prefers to do that...
 * Hi there. So, while this is interesting, we don't list comparisons or references to mythological items/deities/etc. unless it's 1) outlined in the name of something in Bleach itself (e.g. Tōsen's Bankai, one of Yamamoto's Shikai techniques, and Muken using the names of the Buddhist hells) or 2) explicitly stated as a connection/inspiration/etc. by Kubo (or, for non-manga media, someone else involved in the production process). This is done to avoid speculation and "junk trivia", as there are many aspects of the series that could be or are likely a reference to Japanese mythology, Japanese culture, and so on and so forth, but we don't want to assume the intent of Kubo/any of the other writers of Bleach media, nor come off as talking authoritatively about something that we, as Westerners, may not understand the full scope/meaning of. So for now, this won't be mentioned on the page, but if it's ever confirmed in a design document, volume sketch, interview, or other official media we can go right ahead and find a place for it. Thanks for asking!--Xilinoc (talk) 07:34, 11 January 2023 (UTC)