Forum:Gin Ichimaru

This page is for discussion of Gin Ichimaru. Please do not make other forums about him, as they will be deleted and moved here. Twocents 04:35, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Bankai name
If it's "God killing spear" then why is it stated that the hypersonic extension and retraction being 500x faster than the speed of sound. SalmanH  (Talk)  15:19, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Because it is? Gin clapped his hands and by the time Ichigo heard it, Gin stated that he could have retracted his bankai 500 times by then. I fail to see how the speed of his bankai pertains to it's name--Godisme (Talk)  15:23, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

That's what i said.-- SalmanH  (Talk)  18:23, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

So why make a topic about the name of his bankai and then talk about the speed of it if the two are unrelated? His bankais name translates to god killing spear and it is fast. So what?--Godisme (Talk)  18:37, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

A mistake on my part i hadn't completed what i meant to write and that would be the true to it's name bit. SalmanH  (Talk)  19:06, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

is funny, if you do your maths, it mean he can extend or shink it at the speed of 171.5km/per sec, so there is no escapeing it, really!Ace 08:04, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Hollow Mask
I wonder what Gin's hollow mask looks like?--Black Artist 04:13, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

I figure we'll see soon. What I want to know is... will he reveal it before Tosen dies, or after? PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 01:51, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

Gin has no Hollow Mask. There is no more talk necessary here. Aeron Solo (talk) 20:13, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

What is he doing?
Just wondering if anyone knew where he was considering he hasn't been seen since slicing hiyori?

Morover, as we saw in the last chapters, nobody for the moment is able to get close to Aizen (kidou barriers and else), why he had to cut her in the first place? Maybe just for fun? He made one step and...back in the who-knows-area outside of the screens. If there are two (Aizen & Gin), during a war we fight the both in the same time, why attacking Aizen only? Curious scenario.Ace of Spade 06:14, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Bankai
What could Gin's Bankai be? It must be pretty powerful since he was able to bifurcate the unofficial second-in-command (<-- I think, she certainly seems pretty bossy at any rate) of the Vizards with only his Shikai. Plus, Aizen said Gin was worthy of being his lieutenant... and we know he's strong because he killed a Third Seat when he was just a child... but I can't think what the Bankai that corresponds to a Shikai of basically just an extended sword would be. Snappydog 23:03, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

i'v been thinking about it for a long time and i think his bankai is a giant snake, or something to that effect.Soul reaper magnum 00:13, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

In Japan, Gin is depicted not as a snake but as a 'KITSUNE' (fox in eng.) []. I won't be surprised if he is related to 九尾狐 kyubiko or 9 tailed fox (too Naruto, no way), it won't be 9 tails but rather 9 swords extensible at will (like depicted in the cover of 1 of the last chapter, swords directed against Ichigo). He probably has a reference from the Goddess Inari (Japanese folklore []) who has foxes statues in front of her shrines.Ace of Spade 05:47, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

that's true it probably will have something to do with a fox. the extending blade blade kinda made me think of a snake so that was my idea. and like i said i'v been thinking about this one for a long time and i can't come up with much of anything.Soul reaper magnum 22:04, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Then let's say a snake with a fox headAce of Spade 12:42, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

I've always fantasied that Gin's bankai was a giant multi-headed snake or hydra sorta thing made entirely of blades. Like the Snakes neck is made of one giant flexible blade and it's head is a bunch of smaller blades arranged to be shaped like a snake's head and make fangs and teeth and such. What have you thought it was or what do you want it to be?Renshiro zaraki 02:25, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

That seems like it would be cool, but almost too similar to Renji's bankai (although it is a different idea). I would imagine his bankai to be a spear of some sort (again, already done with Lisa). I don't really know what I would even want it to be. I'm excited for the next chapter. Nick4444 05:05, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

With the release of chapter 399 today, Gin's bankai was revealed. HIs sword extends to a length of 13 km. This is interesting in the sense that it shows there was a maximum distance his shikai could go, or there'd be no point in wasting spiritual energy to release bankai. On the other hand, his bankai is boring. Yes it's long, we get it. Kubo could have done so much more. I am thoroughly disappointed. Your thoughThts? Renshiro zaraki 02:24, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'm actually really impressed with Gin's bankai, mostly because it makes so much sense. We were all expecting something cool or fantastical, and we ended up forgetting just what a Bankai is supposed to be: an extension of Shikai. Think about it. Byakuya gets more cherry blossoms. Renji has a better whip. Soi Fon goes from a two hit kill to a OHKO. Tosen takes away every sense instead of just one. The only logical extension of Gin's Shinso is, therefore, making his sword even longer, sharper, and faster.

And, once you start to think about it, Gin's Bankai is actually rather deadly. I'm surprised he didn't use it when the battle first began, at least from an analytical standpoint. With it, he could've easily taken out most of the Gotei 13 the moment they arrived in FKT. He probably could've even sniped them from within a garganta. With Kamishini-No-Yari, Gin can pretty much control the battlefield for 13km around him. Combined with his apparent durability (what with taking a direct hit from Kuroi Getsuga), I'd say that ol' Ichigo has got his work cut out for him...also, I'd say its rather refreshing to see a 'simple' Bankai. I'll take the Isshin/Aizen fight for flashy moves and big explosions. Gin and Ichigo's bout is gonna come down to nice, old fashioned brawling. Kami-No-Yari 03:36, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'll have to agree with KNY; everyone was "disappointed" because everyone had high expectations. Plus, I like how he said "Even in metric it doesn't strike you." Maggosh 03:43, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I agree with KNY, to an extent. The Bankai is pretty cool and deadly, that is true. However when you see the entrance of Byakuya's Bankai or Renji's, or even Ichigos for the 1st time, you get an exhilarating feeling. Ex: Byakuya droping his sword and BOOM!!!, 1000 swords come out of the ground and Scatter, and the fan is thinking oooohhh S**T!!! You don't get that same feeling with Gin because the entrance is dull, and gets put down right away by Ichigo. This is probably why it is such a disappointment. This does not mean that the idea and the true extent of the Bankai is bad. What do you guys think?Jaybirt5 13:19, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Lol, you people have too high expectations, the bankai have show to be enhanced versions of the shikai, only logical that his bankai would have the ability to go greater lengths, and honestly I am impressed by it, in one swing he cold have take out those towers which hold the Fake Kurakara town in the real world.Entrance is dull? I'm sorry but when I saw it cut those buildings in half I was like "Oh SH**". As for the Ichigo putting it away I don't I think Gin is trying his hardest yes he released bankai but he seems to be increase his effort slowly.Saimaroimaru 15:21, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Ok people, I have no idea why people are so disappointed. Gin's bankai is definitely one of the deadliest around, because HE is the one using it. He could take people by surprise by the fact that his sword seamingly didn't change. That means he could retreat from a fight, release his Bankai, and still appear like nothing changed. Then he snipes them down with his sword's hypersonic extension speed. It's disappointingly ordinary-looking, but with a blade that can stab you maybe thousands of times in an instant, and one that can dissolve you inside-out with its poisons, I was definitely scared by that thing. Hands down, that is one Bankai I do NOT want to mess with. It might even have killed Aizen if he had gone for a headshot. Then again, who knows, because he didn't. That's how it worked out. Aeron Solo (talk) 20:21, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

who do you expect to see fighting Gin?
I really hope to see Gin against Kira Izaru & Wabisuke, Ukitake and some Vizards.Ace of Spade 13:57, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say Kira, maybe Hitsugaya and Hinamori (If he DOES betray Aizen I can see Momo fighting for sure)Sata1991 18:00, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

As for now, he will be alongside aizen and will fight both fathers..Frostymoon 8:56 March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Gin: the REAL main antagonist?
Some things just don't seem to add up - why is Gin serving Aizen in the first place, for one... but the most glaring has to be this:

Aizen's the main antagonist, right? Tosen and Gin are his right-hand men. But Tosen's dead, and Aizen's started to fight before Gin has. Since the main antagonist normally fights last, this seems to point to Gin actually being the real mastermind of the whole thing.

Probably wrong, but it'd be nice. Snappydog 21:28, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * There are a number of "conspiracy theories" out there like this one, including one in which Gin betrays Aizen as he is in battle, and so forth. I, too, feel like there is something slippery going on behind the scenes, but only time will tell. :( SerialSniper14  (Talk)  23:25, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that somehow makes sense since aizen didn't ordered Gin directly anything but let's go,that's enough,we should do it do that etc.Also Gin is the only one calling him Aizen-taicho.Tousen addresses him Aizen-sama though he is way older than Gin.It seems Gin doesn't afraid of Aizen or is he just rude and disrespectful?


 * I'd go with rude and disrespectful. Maggosh 15:04, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Gin is disrespectful of Aizen, seeing as Aizen said Gin is the only person he ever acknowledged as a subordinate. He is perfectly justified in calling him Aizen Taicho which is plain old Captain Aizen instead of refering to him as Sama which is a word used by older Japanese people and means something like lord Omegaday 13:00, March 31, 2010 (UTC)Omegaday

Well, Gin WAS Aizen's lieutenant. I guess it's natural for him to call Aizen "taicho". BlazeUchiha 11:33, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

sigh Like I have explained a few times before, military titles do not expire! The authority that goes with the title does but not the title itself. Captain such-and-such does not stop being Captain such-and-such just because they are no longer in the army. They may choose not to use the title and others might not refer to them by the title (especially if they were dishonourably discharged or were deserters or traitors), but by right the titles are still theirs. As such, Captain Hirako, Captain Aizen, Captain Magurama etc, etc, are all still accurate and not necessarily disrespectful. In addition, Aizen has been Gin's captain since he was a little boy. Gin continuing to refer to Aizen as Captain Aizen is probably a mark of affection, not disrespect. Tinni  (Talk)  12:27, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Gin the main bad guy, hm, it does go back to the save Rukia's butt arc, but i dont buy it, yeah hes standing off to the side in that new opening, you know the one with shinji smiling creepily, but why would the main badguy not have the hongyoku with him, and aizen seems to plan everything out, however, if aizens as strong as he says he is than that could be constituted as aizen is a minion, as cliche minions have some superpower while main guy doesnt. Anyway, i'll believe it when i see it, but at least the anime has fixed the eye color now.Lazychubb 08:29, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * After this last issue i think Gin may be more of the lead antagonist than Aizen. His telling Ichigo that he (Aizen) "sucked in the hogyoku when i wasn't watching" and that he should have expected that. Then refering to Aizen as Aizen-san not Aizen-taicho has me wondering whether Gin is just allowing Aizen to thin the Gotei 13 and any other possible opponents to what ever his plan may be. After all everyone was working to counter Aizen's plan not Gin's.


 * Regardless, I really enjoy Gin's head games. They always make thing interesting...Tenchymassaky 04:43, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ichigo Vs Gin, bad matchup for Gin?
People discuss the issue of matchups on this forum all the time, and how important they are to determine who wins the fight. Maybe I'm stretching this a bit too far, and I have some counter-evidence to disprove my theory that I will point out. This theory assumes that Gin is NOT the REAL antagonist as some have speculated, because in that case he wouldnt die and it would make my argument worthless. If Gin's "real" power comes from the use of Shinso and the speed at which he is able to extend and retract the blade, Ichigo is probably THE worst person he could fight. I say this using the Byakuya v Ichigo fight really early in the series as my example. I have to believe that the MILLIONS of blades that Byakuya's Senbonzakura Kageyoshi (bankai) produces would be able to attack Ichigo from all different angles and would at LEAST match the speed of Gin's attacks and his ability to extend Shinso 500 times in the space of a single clap (from one singular point) (I believe that's what he said he was able to do). Ichigo was clearly able to deflect each blade of Byakuya's attack once he went into Bankai and got the hang of it. Would it not be fair to say then, that regardless of how quickly Gin can extend and retract Shinso that he would not be able to harm Ichigo using his attacks? Ichigo now has his hollow mask to increase his speed even beyond that of when he fought Byakuya.

Again, just a thought that popped into my head as I was talking to a friend about the manga. I'm curious to hear what other people have to say about this idea. The evidence I have to the contrary is most notably his fight against Ulquiorra. He was attacked, while in Bankai and with Hollow mask and was clearly beaten for power AND speed...which to my estimation makes Ulquiorra the fastest person we've ever seen in the series (he's never fought directly with Yoruichi, and Shunpo and Sonido are considered different skills by the Espada, so I'd love to see a race between the two) but as of now, Ichigo with bankai and mask was not able to keep up even visually with Ulquiorra's movements and was obviously dominated (and killed) by Ulquiorra's speed. So either Gin is in serious trouble, or Ichigo's speed is nowhere near as remarkable as we were lead to believe during the beginning of the series...take your pick. Thoughts? Orionradar 18:38, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Lets look at this logically, Gin has been hinted at being very strong a child prodigy. He is Aizens second i command. Ulqui respected his position and knowing his personality it suggests he saw Gin as someone powerful. I believe that Gin is more powerful than Ulqui, simply as it would make little sense to have an espada stronger than Gin. I dont think Gin has even began to fight properly yet and is simply toying with Ichigo. If Gin has to die by Ichigos hand i hope he at least pushes ichigo to fight in his full hollow form. GinIchimaru

I don't think Ichigo could go supersonic when they fought. Honestly, he IS super fast and all, but there's no way that at level he could run faster than sound. And with a Bankai that can spear you in the bare instant that it targets you, he would have had to keep Gin from aiming at him properly, where that speed is better used running in wild circles around Gin. Besides, Gin's Bankai was able to go right through Aizen's chest without him being able to do anything about it. If even Aizen couldn't block it (albeit he was caught unprepared), then I don't think that Ichigo would've been able to do it when the two fought. I know, the fight's over, but I still think that some people are forgetting a few simple things. Also, Ichigo has seemingly been getting slower and slower since his first time in Bankai. I'll say some more later; I gotta get off the computer. Aeron Solo (talk) 13:23, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Bankai Speed
I was thinking about how Gin's bankai is 500 times the speed of sound. THe speed of sound is relative to where you are. Does this mean that if Gin stuck his zanpakuto into the ocean and activated bankai, his bankai would be even faster since sound travels faster in water? Or by speed of sound did he mean what the speed usually is in most places and was using the term generically?Renshiro zaraki 00:05, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

It would have to be generic...not that it will really matter since we won't have the opportunity to see him explain something like that or fight underwater. I doubt Ichigo knows the exact speed of sound, or that it is relative, so I think he was simply using it as a measuring tool so Ichigo would have some basic understanding of exactly what he meant when he described it (hence the clap). (Also, wouldn't water increase the friction on the blade and therefore slow down his zanpakuto...Kinda like trying to run in water, or shooting a bullet into a tank, it "should" slow down his zanpakuto much more/faster than air would...or I would assume). Orionradar 03:05, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

The speed of sound is changeable value (it varies on where the sound is being made). The speed of Gin's Bankai is a fixed thing; since the speed of sound is much lower at, say, 30,000 feet above sea level, it's speed would be more than 500 times the speed of sound there. The speed of sound can change, but the speed of Gin's sword always stays the same. Ratiqu 19:14, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Speed of Extension and Contraction in Bankai
What was the formula for getting its exact (or very close, at least) extension and contraction speed?--Gold3263301 20:55, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

The speed of sound under ideal conditions in the air is about 343 meters per second. 500 times that is 171,500 meters per second, which is more than the length of Kamishini no Yari. To get the rate of travel, you must divide 13,000 (the length of the bankai) by 171,500 (how fast 500 times the speed of sound is). It comes out to about 0.076 rounded up to the nearest thousands (which is more accurate than 0.08) or 670 milliseconds.

To give a comparison of how fast that is, the act of blinking takes about 300 to 400 milliseconds.

Of course, sound travels faster in water than it does through air but that is a conversation for another place.--Shinitenshi 00:40, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

The above was moved from Gin's talk page. I think it is best placed here as it doesn't have much to do with the article. Tinni  (Talk)  03:39, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Eh, I don't know if anyone noticed, but Gin mentioned that his Bankai wasn't as fast or strong as he let on. I know, either way it's still faster than anything that we can see, but I just thought I'd mention that it might not be how fast he said it was. Could be he was telling Ichigo its true speed, but we don't know with Gin. Aeron Solo (talk) 13:13, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Something to think about
I was looking at the Gin page towards the ending of the section with fake karrakura town and also under the most recent manga chapter 404 summary.It states after realising Ichigo has given up somewhat on winning the battle, that he decides to kill him. I think that is false, I believe he is trying to get Ichigo at max power and motivated once again to kill Aizen, which I think is somewhat of a plot twist. Gin has not really been one to help Aizen per say even in the past it is usually Kaname Tosen who did Aizen's dirty work. So I really do not see him doing Aizen a favor and killing Ichigo. He even appears to be similar to Shunsui and Stark in the regard that he really doesnt like to fight, so if he has stepped it up another level now I believe it is a bigger reason than just to kill Ichigo which I feel will be realised in the chapters to come.

Haven't been around for a while but I still follow bleach, just thought I would give my opinion now I have the chance to.Shinji hirako 01:05, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Gin is a bit of a wildcard. It's difficult to tell when he's being serious, and he doesn't discuss his intentions a whole lot anyway, so your theory is a bit baseless. It's not impossible, but I doubt it.

While it's true that Tosen did do most of the dirty work, that doesn't mean Gin doesn't support Aizen. After all, Aizen picked Gin up soon after he became a Shinigami. Also, why would Gin want Aizen dead? Ratiqu 19:20, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

ok so why was gin so afraid of aizen killing the thing in the garganta??lordaizen20 june 13 2010

Just so you know Gin has done quite a few things to show his support for Aizen. If you remember he killed his third seat upon entering the Gotei 13 and then again he was a co conspirator in the attempt of having Momo attack Hisugaya. Ratiqu is right though Gin is a wildcard and every chance the manga and anime gets a chance they show this. Minion332 (talk) 15:12, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Gin's Zanpakuto
I have a couple questions and maybe someone can help me out with an answer. Gin's Zanpaktou changes to dust, it doesn't really "extend," at least in Bankai as he describes it. Does this also happen in Shikai? I assume not. I ask because my brain is looking at the physics of the situation, and Gin clearly has force in the extension of his zanpaktou when he pushes Jidanbo out from underneath the gate WAY back in the day and then pushes Ichigo back into a building a moment later as well.

So, I suppose my question is, how does Gin "stab" someone in Bankai? If his sword dematerializes into dust and then reforms, seems to me impossible to "stab" Aizen and lodge a piece of his sword in Aizen's chest. Could it be that his spiritual pressure is high enough that he can force the dust through someone's chest and make it able to penetrate Aizen's flesh?

They physics just don't quite work for me, and I'm wondering if anyone has an answer. Orionradar (talk) 15:37, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

The dust particles probably act in a similar manner to Byakuya's release where it's sharp enough to cut, but can move with enough force to push and crush. Also, on a side note, I wouldn't try to think physics when reading a manga about spirits and supernatural powers. You're talking about a sword that can extend and retract by the user's will alone, and can turn to dust in an instant and become solid again. In terms of physics, that's not possible. But either way, hopefully my comparison to Byakuya is somewhat helpful. Northstar1012 (talk) 15:51, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thats not it either. Byakuya's are blade fragments the dust is not terms as the dangerous aspect but the facilitator of the deadly poison from inside the blade into the target. Well it seems that Gin is referring more to the fact that like previously it was the length which turned out to be not the case. Then he admits that its not the length that should be one's concern but its speed via the extension and contraction. This time he essentially stating its neither the length or speed that one should be concerned with its the poison dust. The idea is simple we have seen its length in bankai and its speed so it can do what it does there seems no lie there if its the specifics he is referring to well that just takes away from the article. Apparently the way in which he infects Aizen with it is the the clear way in which he uses this method. He does mention it happens with he extends and contracts it. He states that for a second it turns to dust when he expands out and contacts, thus allowing him to facilitate the poison into a target. The physical form of the bankai becomes momentarily intangible allowing for him to will parts of it left behind in the target and being that the poison is in the blade whatever is left behind causes the disintegration of the cells. Basically it happens so fast no one would notice that particular affect, as it registers as a normal attack expected from the weapon until the realization sets in. Salubri (Talk)  15:55, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I get it. The blade was still solid when it pierced through Aizen. It was just during the instant that he stopped it and pulled it back that it became dust and left the fragment.Northstar1012 (talk) 16:10, August 4, 2010 (UTC)