Forum:Wonderweiss Margera

Here, you can discuss the Arrancar Wonderweiss Margera. Please do not make new topics about him, as they will simply be deleted and merged here. Twocents 23:40, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

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Vasto Lorde?
i believe that Wonderweiss may be a vasto lorde. we know he's not a normal arrancar and he has the power of an espata or more. and as my friend minato88 said it may have something to do with his autism(since Aizen tried to change him before the Hogyoku was fully awakened). any ideas?Soul reaper magnum 20:17, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

This is just my guess: Vasto Lorde are supposed to be very clever and intelligent. Why not act autistic, get everyone to think you're useless, then turn around and attack them while they think you're harmless. Thats just what I think Wonderweiss is doing and why he COULD (not IS, COULD) be a vasto lorde. Of course, he couold just be a retarded arrancar. ugcaveman

that is possible and clever as you said and it wouldn't surprise me if when he releases he'll be different in terms of the autism. and something i forgot to mention was the wonderweiss weas human size before he was made in to an arrancar.Soul reaper magnum 14:13, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

yeah, i know none of us have any proof that he is a VL, He was able to drop a captain with no problem, and then one of the vizard who seems to have the most control over her mask. He even somehow broke her mask before pummeling her face in. Plus, this might be seen as mostly speculation, but we can assume he survived Kensei bankai attack, i doubt he would be killed off without using getting to see and Kibo would have to have lost his mind to kill him without showing off a resurrection. So that puts him up against two captains and a captain-maybe. (Anyone think it's interesting he's fought and is fighting both the 9th squad ex lieutenant, and ex captain while he has befriended the 9th squad other ex captain, who is fighting the 9th squad current lieutenant. My guess that either tosen will die and force wonderwiss to fight seriously, or the other way around.)

didn't take Kulash05 14:29, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure if they really mean 'intelligence' in the way we do when talking about hollow smarts. Does Grandfisher, not even a gillian, seem any dumber than Grimmjow, an adjuchas? Granted, the top 4 all seem pretty smart, but there may be more to it. ZeroSD 16:39, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

my guess is that something will happen to tosen that will push wonderweiss over the edge and he'll use his resurreccion.Soul reaper magnum 17:01, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

What soul reaper magnum is saying is that Wonderweiss might be the first attempt by Aizen to get a Lordes into his army. Maybe in order to perfectly transform a Lordes, the Hogyoku needs to be fully awakened all the time. I know Aizen said that by combining his spirit pressure with it the Hogyoku will for a short instance be fully awakened. Still, maybe this short time isn't long enough to fully transform a Lordes into an Arrancar(which during the transformation, Wonderweiss brain was damaged). I don't think he acting anymore. He is intelligent, but there alot of Autistic people who are. Anybody here ever watch the movie Rain Man? Minato88 17:50, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

don't think i'v seen it but i know what your talking about. he might not be the smartest arrancar but he probably has the strongest cero and sonido and stuff like that.Soul reaper magnum 21:01, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Interesting though is that he's mental issues were the sole reason 10th squad's lieutenant didn't attack him, and if she did (boob lady) he would have torn her apart without having to try. Three panels top, and just interesting to see someone one who is kind of strong but still weak get paired up with what might turn out to be the deadliest arrancar.Kulash05 21:12, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure if he would be a Vasto Lorde, but really.. Who knows until TK decides to throw it in there. But you have to think, he was the latest Arrancar created using the Hogyoku (Which would be nearing full awakening). Wouldnt that make him the most complete of all the Arrancar? Perhaps even bordering on Vasto Lorde until Aizen eventually find some, or creates them?KamikazeNewf 01:47, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

that's true. and i think that he's at least a prototype for aizen's plans with the vasto lorde.Soul reaper magnum 08:02, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Can't be sure.. but he surely is powerful enough to force Kensei into bankai in the start of their fight.. Deimonos 00:24, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Stark did mention that since Wonderwiess showed up Aizen must be impatient. So really, its got to be a hint of how strong he is if Stark knows that when Wonderwiess shows up, Aizen wants things finished. KamikazeNewf 02:13, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

ya, and considering kensei released his bankai at the start that probably means wonderweiss is going to be trouble.Soul reaper magnum 04:33, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Im not to sure if he is a VL, but to be one of the only other arrancar left means he HAS to have a groovey release,at first i thought it might be somewhat of a medevil knights for his release because of his sword. And bt-dub, Wonderweiss loves Gin sooooo much more,its like a father son relationship.hahaha

Will he survive his battle against Kensei?
I want to know if you think WW will survive his battle with Kensei. I beleive we will soon see his release but he will not be killed. He has been the only Arrancar to battle a Vizard with out the use of his release with no significant issue. Other than getting beat up he did not show any sign of slowing down fighting Mashiro. He even out lasted her mask time. Plus Aizen did not address him when he stepped into the fight. He cut down Haribel saying that he is stronger than the Espada combined but still never addressed WW. That makes me believe that he is not too worried about WW handling himself during this battle. Let me know what you think. Tealang99 19:50, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Unless he has a second resurrection (like Ulquiorra) I think he's dead. I believe Kensei is the second most powerful vizard (no real proof of this, and I'm not counting Ichigo). Also, I doubt he's actually a good fighter. While he may have the power, I don't think he has the skill. (He hasn't been around long, either.)


 * We do know Kensei is a very skilled fighter having been able to hold his own against a hollowfied Ichigo with only his shikai during the vizard training. He apparently has a pretty high level of physical strength being able to catch Wonderweiss' fist, then again, we've captains stopping released weapons barehanded too i.e. Zaraki and Aizen.Spacedone 08:27, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

While Mashiro didn't really injure him, he didn't seem to try to dodge or parry her blows. He might not even know what he's doing much of the time. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 23:31, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

I'd tend to agree on that, there is no strategy, tactics or variation. He like most Hollows seems to be all instinct little discernible intelligence. He freely attacks using whatever skill he is capable of mainly melee attacks, bala and cero blasts. As we have seen his ability to defend is lacking against more competent opponents, its best to assume he can release as he is capable of speech but even if he was possible of a second release (which is unlikely seeing as those above Ulquiorra dont have that capability as he had stated himself) i doubt it would make a difference. I dont doubt he can fight I only address the fact that sheer strength alone doesn't win a fight all the time and in his case he is at big disadvantage compared to those who do use sheer strength because he doesn't seem capable of that discernible level of intellect that is commonly there to make the big decisions. On that note it is probable that he is a vasto lorde made arrancar in which case if he releases it might be a different ball game cause that might be where the intellect hides, those that are autistic as he seems to be are commonly trapped inside their own heads. I guess we'll see.Salubri 00:55, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

I see WW getting killed by ukitake. My reasoning is that Shunsui got to have his chance at getting revenge on his attacker and a showcase of his true powers. Hopefully we get the same thing for Ukitake. Hes one of my favorite characters. Although it is unlikely becuase he seems incapcitated at the moment. Jordanbobordan88

I know he seems to be attacking with no reason and also showing no defensive skills. But he did use his scream to erase Mashiro's Cero. Why didnt he just that on as well. I think he realized that the Cero was to powerful for him to physically take on so he used his skill to erase it. I mean he could have even dodged it as well. We got a hint of his speed when he used Sonido to get to try to take Urahara's hat. I think that he has more then pure strength but his focus is not there. Its more emotion than tatic right now. Tealang99 12:47, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

At the risk of being sarcastic, Kensei used his special ability (bankai) first. He might lose for not "metagaming". PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 23:50, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Kensei still has his mask, while shikai and bankai is all that a normal shinigami has. Anyway, Wonderweiss is not an espada and might be the first of a new breed of arrancar. So unless Kubo decided to trash the entire arrancar concept, Wonderweiss is likely to show awe inspiring power and possibly defeated Kensei. I am, however, very surprised that people except Ukitake to jump in. Firstly, unlike Kyoraku who we were shown very early on not to be very damaged through his interaction with Lisa, Ukitake is still on a ground with no hint that he is well enough to even stand. Secondly, Wonderweiss is a kid and Ukitake has not only shown reluctance to fight a kid all out, he also seems far less ruthless then Kyoraku. So I am highly doubtful we'll see Ukitake vs Wonderweiss. Lastly, after the Kyoraku and Starrk thing, getting Ukitake to do about the same thing to Wonderweiss would be just repeating himself and I am not sure Kubo would want to do that. Tinni 00:10, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Kubo definetly has big plans for WW. He wouldn't just create him, give him Espada level power, just to make him fodder for a Vizard. No, in my personal opinion, he's the only reason why Aizen still isn't worried. He seems a lot like Kid Buu. Incredibly powerful and unpredictable. Remember when Starrk said that his appearance meant Aizen wanted to end the battle soon. Starrk recognizes his power, and when you think about it, it took 2 vizards and 2 of the SS strongest captains to kill him.Elementite 14:23, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

if i remember well, it took only kyoraku's shikai to kill him, it seemed to me that the others were just playing around and testing Stark. TK wanted probably show the difference between kyoraku and two ex-captains shikai powers.Baronofash 23:38, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

He didnt outlast her mask time, it just somehow ended early.

I belive that Wonderweiss Margera will beat Kensei. Wondeweiss reminds me of kid buu from dbz he didn't look powerful, but he was. You can tell who is going to be powerful just by their personality. Even before Kyoraku and Starrk showed how powerful their were you can tell by their personality. When you have a lazy person they are going be very powerful. Now Wonderweiss a child like arrancer, when ever you have a person like that you can tell they are going to be powerful.Flaminghorse December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Release
Personally i misss FKT, im really anxious to see Wonderweiss's release. I think it would be pretty groovy to see Wonderweiss kill alot of people. It seems like Tite Kubo is letting people underestimate his autistic self just to make people in awe with his release. quite frankly id lovvvvve to see WW kill Momo, Mosumoto, Sajin, Iba, Omeda, and that one kicking Vizard.hahaha.

What do you think his release will be like?Havefun221 18:59, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

I don't really have an opinion on what his release will be like since we haven't really seen a lot of his powers or abilities yet. Plus, there are some releases that I wouldn't have guessed (like Harribel being reminiscent of a shark) and it seems like the Arrancars' releases aren't necessarily so obvious.

But I guess I must be a little less bloodthirsty, since I am not keen to seen Wonderweiss go on a massacre. Twocents 19:34, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Demonic Knight is my guess.--Moe1216 20:09, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

As of Chapter 394 his release was revealed. It's specifically designed to take out Yama-jii's zanpakutou. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) contribs) 03:15, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

New Topics
Post all new topics on Wonderweiss here. Tinni  (Talk)  05:15, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Wonderweiss is Frankenstein(sort of)
Wonderweiss is a refererence to Boris Karloff's portral of the monster in the 1931 film. The film monster loves to play with insects, is afraid of fire, and is very limited in inteligence,traits wonderweiss also posses. Which makes sense that wonderweiss is butterfly that can put out fire and that he is a recreated arrancar like how frankenstein's monster is a recreated human. --Lemursrule 04:01, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Only Modified Arrancar
Is Wonderweiss really the only modified Arrancar? Because if I remember correctly, Szayel Aporro's fraccions were modified so that he could eat them and restore his health. Perhaps Aizen is talking about that Wonderweiss is the only Arrancar that he personally modified.--Shinitenshi 18:14, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

I would assume so, but we've got nothing to prove what he meant by saying that. I doubt that Aizen didn't know that Szayel modified his Fraccion in those ways. Arrancar109 (Talk)  18:29, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Szayel Aporro modified his fracion when the were still hollow and had Aizen transform them into arrancar they were not modified well arrancar-Berfomet 04:07, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

It may be the way that it was translated. Just checking all the angles. Does anyone know if other scanlations say the same thing?--Shinitenshi 06:54, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Cnet also translated that line as "Wonderwice is unique; the only modified Arrancar". You are correct in that Apollo's faccion were all modified and all Arrancars. Apollo actually said he had Aizen turn his faccion into Arrancar so Aizen knew about them. We can't assume that the distinction is that Apollo modified his faccion as hollows and Wonderweiss was modified as an Arrancar because we saw Wonderweiss being made and shortly after, when he made his combat debut, he already had the mental retardation that Aizen said was a result of him trading away everything to gain enough strength to seal away Rujjin-jaka. We'll just have to take it at manga word and assume that Aizen doesn't care enough about Apollo's modified faccion or something like that. Tinni  (Talk)  07:02, March 4, 2010 (UTC)