Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner/Archive 8

Luders Friegen
I know you can't confirm the official English spelling for this dude, but I think I have found the Katakana for this dude "リューダス・フリーゲン" (Ryūdasu Furīgen) But the thing is I can't find the damn RAW for this chapter to confirm it. So I figured I'd bring this to your attention because I thought you might know the answer :) --Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 20:48, April 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * I tried to check this on some of my usu. sources, but the BLEACH Japanese Wiki, a good source for katakana etc., is woefully behind on updates: they still barely have any data on the Fullbringers (!).


 * A Japanese tweet @tite_kubo seems to confirm, or at least strongly hint, that your rendering above, リューダス・フリーゲン (Ryūdasu Furīgen), is correct for the name's katakana. The tweeter amusedly says that the name reminds them of アンダース・フリーデン (Andāsu Furīden), i.e. Anders Fridén, lead singer of Swedish metal band In Flames.


 * The fact that the katakana uses  Ryū dasu instead of  Rū dasu would seem to suggest that the tentative romanization *could* be Lüders--since katakana generally adapts the German diaeresis u (= ü ) with yu--but, as you said, there's no way to know how Kubo would romanize it, officially, yet. Adam Restling (talk) 07:03, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Tres Bestia
I think I have found the Kanji and Katakana for Tres Bestia "「3獣神 （トレス・ベスティア）」" (Toresu Besutia). What I found appears to be different to what is on Apacci's page so I don't know which one is the correct one. I found the RAW but the quality is rather low.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 19:10, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

http://s3.mangahead.com/mangas/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-488-Raw-Scan/15.jpg


 * * Mangahead won't let me see the image, not even if I go directly to the site. In the meantime, the kanji that you put up means "Three Beast Gods" and fits well with their theme of chimera and whatnot. --Reikson (talk) 19:42, April 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * The link is borked? It works for me but here try this one.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 20:42, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

http://mangahead.com/index.php/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-488-Raw-Scan/15.jpg?action=big&size=original&fromthumbnail=true


 * In Nel's first usage of term (which is largely in katakana), she translates it as sanbiki no kedamono "three beasts"; but near the end of the chapter, it does appear in word balloon as your 3獣神 （トレス・ベスティア） Toresu Besutia, with the meaning you gave "three beast spirits/gods". Of course, I think this should be Tres Bestia s , but you know Kubo :). Adam Restling (talk) 14:16, April 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, the singular use here makes sense; remember, Apacci, Sung-Sun, and Mila-Rose have that Quimera Parca thing that they can do if they're really desperate. Three in one and all that.  Even if it's just a case of Kubo not knowing Spanish "quite" that well, the context here would appeal to him.  --Reikson (talk) 14:21, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Stern Ritter
This a little strange, I have found the katakana for Stern Ritter "シュテルンリッター" (Shuterunrittā) but I can't find the Kanji. Here is the RAW so that you can see what the Kanji is.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 19:19, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

http://mangahead.com/index.php/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-489-Raw-Scan/13.jpg?action=big&size=original&fromthumbnail=true

(If that link doesn't work try this one http://s3.mangahead.com/mangas/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-489-Raw-Scan/13.jpg)


 * Site doesn't allow hotlinks for me. Maybe if you could post the relevant image... --Reikson (talk) 19:47, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Additionally, the first word on THIS particular page... apparently the kanji is 了解 (ryōkai, meaning "roger [that]" as per radio transmission). Can't make out the katakana, only that the apparent transliteration is supposed to be "eingeshworen" which is apparently a German word meaning "confirmed." Maybe Kubo's taking the gratuitous German a little far in this instance? --Reikson (talk) 19:47, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * The kanji used for Stern Ritter are "星十字騎士団", which Tangorin translates as "Star Cross Chivalric Order", but we're best waiting for confirmation from Adam before making any additions. Blackstar1 (talk) 19:53, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I confirmed the kanji translation, and also found that Stern Ritter can be translated as "Star Knights" and fits in with the pentacles that these Quincies have been using. --Reikson (talk) 20:16, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of the German meaning, it can mean both "Star Knight" and "Star Knights" since the noun "Ritter" has the same form in both singular and plural. -- The Goblin   I'm feelin' the flow   21:48, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Looks like you guys got it: Sternritter/Stern Ritter (星十字騎士団 (シュテルンリッター) Shuterunrittā), from German for "star knight(s)" (sg. or pl. as Goblin said), with underlying Kanji for "star cross knight band/order"; while chivalry is related to knighthood, it's not a good choice for the translation, its current meaning referring to courteous knight-to-maiden conduct.


 * Reikson talks about eingeschworen "confirmed", and yeah: Kubo is really enjoyin' his Deutschin' in this arc XD. Adam Restling (talk) 13:39, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Special Weapon
Can someone please translate the term the Vandenreich use to refer to Ichigo - "特記戦力". Blackstar1 (talk) 20:51, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * The kanji translates as "special mention (特記, tokki)" and "war potential (戦力, senryoku)" so, if you think about it, the context DOES mean "special (war) weapon" and stuff... --Reikson (talk) 21:50, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Reikson is correct: tokki combines 特 "special" and 記 "account, notation", and could be rendered "notable/noteworthy" i.e. "special"; senryoku is more lit. "war/fighting power", combining 戦 "battle, war, fight", and 力 "power, strength, (cap)ability". The best way to translate this, keeping its apparent dehumanizing aspect, eludes me at present; if I think of anything good, I'll let you know. Adam Restling (talk) 13:55, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Quincy Terminology
I found the kanji for the, which Tangorin translates as something like "Destruction Monk Perfect Host/Subject", although "聖体" can mean "the emperor's person/the body of Christ", somewhat explaining the angelic form Kirge adopts (i.e. having both wings and a halo). Blackstar1 (talk) 14:49, April 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * My translation for the kanji was "Destruction Practitioner: The Final Eucharist" or something like that... --Reikson (talk) 15:16, April 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I ran it by a friend who is japanese, he translated it as Holy Master Total Destruction. Take that for what you will.--


 * Perhaps it's best to break down the kanji, piece by piece: 滅却師 is Monk of Destruction (from our own article on the Quincy); 完聖体 literally translates to "perfect holy body". The full translation would then become "Monk of Destruction's Perfect Holy Body". MarqFJA (talk) 17:35, April 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * The term itself means "Complete Quincy" (German vollständig = "complete", from voll "fully[y]" + ständig "permanent, constant", prob. < "standing/keeping in position: < Stand "position"); the Kanji combine those which, as you've pointed out, are the usual for Quincy, mekkyakushi--which is < mekkyaku "extinction, destruction" + the suffix -shi, "master, doctor", basically used to refer to a respected practitioner of the root meaning--and Kanji for "full(y)/whole(/ly) sacred form/body"--a bit of that extra nuance we all lurv Kubo for. The use of seitai (聖体) in additional meanings of "the form of the emperor" and "corpus Christi" are mere extensions of its original, basic meaning of "sacred form/body".


 * I dunno why the "Japanese friend" rearranged the order of the Kanji to give his translation. Adam Restling (talk) 12:34, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

I have found the complete Kanji and Katakana for Quincy Vollständig "滅却師完聖体 (クインシー・フォルシュテンディッヒ)" (Kuinshī Forushutendihhi). Also I've heard the Kanji translated as "Monk of Destruction Complete Holy Form" Is that translation also correct?--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 19:16, April 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * See above. Adam Restling (talk) 09:27, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Heirich Pfeil - Chapter 490
On pgs. 9 and 10, Kirge talks about something called a "Heirich Pfeil"... while I can't be arsed to find the kanji (that, and the relevant page on Mangahead is entirely in Chinese), I looked around and "Pfeil" is German for arrow but couldn't find anything for "Heirich" so this part's probably a transliteration bork. --Reikson (talk) 15:31, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * The word used is Heilig, which means Holy/Sacred/Divine. --

I think have found the Kanji and Katakana for this as well.--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 19:16, April 30, 2012 (UTC) "神聖滅矢(ハイリッヒ・ブファイル)" (Hairihhi Bufairu)


 * Kanj for "Heilig Pfeil" means "Holy Destructive Arrow" or something like that... --Reikson (talk) 23:23, April 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * If the data, Kanji and kana you guys provided above are correct--and they seem to be--then we have Heilig Pfeil (神聖滅矢 (ハイリッヒ・ブファイル) Hairihhi Bufairu), Japanese (in Kanji) for "destroying arrow of sanctity", German for "holy arrow".


 * Japanese shinsei (神聖) means "sanctity/sacredness, divinity; dignity", combining what is lit. "god/(high) spirit" + "holy, sacred". Adam Restling (talk) 09:36, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Biskiel
I have found the kanji used for Kirge's. Blackstar1 (talk) 15:30, May 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Kanji means "God of Justice" and all that sort of stuff... I think that Biskiel's a transliteration bork. Can you find the katakana? --Reikson (talk) 15:41, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

I think I have found the katakana ビスキエル (Bisukieru).--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 17:33, May 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * What it means in German? http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/0/03/Ponurak.pngPonurak http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/5/5a/Ponurak2.png 18:20, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Biskiel is not a german word.--

Could whoever answers this request, also please translate the surrounding sentence as well, as I want to establish whether Kirge was referring to the name of his attack or his Vollständig in general - "我が完聖体「神の正義」の力を!!!" Blackstar1 (talk) 13:07, May 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * It says something to the effect of "My Vollständig (Kanji: wholly sacred form) 'Biskieru' (Kanji: justice of god) 's power" + the object particle wo (を), making this power the subject of whatever verb he was to use, e.g. maybe "show the power (chikara wo)".


 * Dunno what "Biskieru" is, how to actually spell it, or what it means; if I can find out, I'll let you guys know. :) Adam Restling (talk) 13:16, May 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * One translator thinks it may be intended as some kind of "angel name" (what with the form having angelic motifs) that "Opie" has given to his Vollständig, perhaps to be rendered either *Biskiel or *Viskiel after all (compare Gabri-el, Dobi-el etc.). It's as good a guess as any, but I can't seem to find any evidence in angelology for such an angel, or where the Kanji "justice of god" might come in; the traditional angel of justice is Zadkiel. Adam Restling (talk) 09:09, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Nanao's Book (Turn back the Pendulum)
Hello, could you translate the cover of the book that Nanao and Lisa were going to read in Chapter 9? Here is a link to the page showing the cover, on manga-access.com. --3Chris (talk) 07:42, May 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Apparently, it's 鈴生姫, which I've read is rendered Suzuo Hime, meaning, roughly, "bell-like princess"; the element 生 has a wide range of meanings, beginning with its basic one of "live, be alive", through to many extended meanings, such as "be like, be of the nature of" (< "live as"), "birth/be born" (< "[be] give[n] life"), etc. etc.


 * I tried to find out if this was a real historical book, but was unsuccessful. Adam Restling (talk) 09:49, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Blut
Here's the kanji and katakana used for. Blackstar1 (talk) 19:02, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Blut is German for "blood"; the Kanji mean "blood guise/array". Adam Restling (talk) 11:57, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

General/Other translation issues (e.g. conjugation/miscellanea)
On Gin's page, the info for his game-only abilities seems to have an error. For his Yarisazame, there's only the kanji for yari (Spear) and sa (gauze). I tried to fix that ages ago by adding in the missing kanji for same/ame (rain), but it got undone. Is that supposed to be the official way to write Yarisazame in kanji? Should the rain kanji be there, it would have to translate to "Spearing Gauze Rain." --Belial Edge (talk) 23:59, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * According to the Japanese Wiki, you're right: 槍紗雨 Yarisazame, meaning "gossamer rain of spear(s)" (紗 can mean "gauze" or "gossamer", and I just chose the one I thought sounded *kewler* :) ). Didn't mention the command for it, tho. Adam Restling (talk) 09:53, May 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I think Spear Gossamer Rain sounds more accurate and short enough, forgive me for that opinion, if that will get me out again like with the Zanpakutou translations that is. :P
 * The command however is fine I suppose. I never heard Yarisazame's executions in Japanese dialogue though so I can understand that it's hard to pin that down. --Belial Edge (talk) 03:12, May 5, 2012 (UTC)