User talk:Gildeds

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Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! (This is an automated message generated after your first edit here.) Yyp (talk) 06:11, August 9, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Issue Within the Discord Server
Hi Gildeds. I think the best thing you can do is to go to Xilinoc's talk page and leave a message for him there asking him to explain exactly why you were blocked and for how long (or other mods active on the channel). I dont know what his reasons were nor do I know anything about how Discord works with blocks and time limits. On the use of a second account, that is frowned upon all across Fandom if it is used to circumvent a block and it is routine to ban a second account in those circumstances. I dont think I even have the ability to unblock someone of Discord if it was merited. 16:19, August 9, 2020 (UTC)

I'll admit I'm rather hesitant and would rather not take it up directly with him given the incident seemed to be derived from his personal misgivings, as well as his general disparagement of me after the fact. In addition, one on discord is incapable of messaging the other users or other moderators of a server so long as one is banned from said server, unless a friend request is explicitly accepted (which one would likely have to do before said ban to make the request or be accepted.)

By any chance, do you know of anyone else who or another location where I can possibly bring up this regarding this incident? Possibly someone who would also be another moderator on the server? Gildeds (talk)

Why you're not getting unbanned
Hi. Believe it or not, I can be communicated with on this very wiki in addition to the discord, but since you're trying to go around me and appeal to an admin who's not even in the server to overturn your ban and spreading misinformation in the process, allow me to step in and lay out the real reason you were banned.

There's no rule against talking about or liking the light novels, and if there were I sure as hell wouldn't enforce it - Timjer likes them well enough and he coexists within the server and on this wiki just fine. You weren't banned for that, despite what you're claiming.

No, what you WERE banned for, the rules you actually broke, was being condescending, smarmy, rude, and an overall prick. The FIRST thing you did after joining the server was demand that we totally restructure the wiki and how it presents information/canon in accordance to your whims, things like listing the novel summaries alongside the manga/anime plot summaries on character pages and separating them from the video game info to present it as "more canon"; again, you didn't just suggest this or question why we weren't doing it, you tried to boss around me (and by extension the rest of the mod team) to have the wiki look more to your personal liking. Then, when I pressed back and explained why things are presented the way they are, you started insulting the quality of the pages and acting as though we just throw information up willy-nilly with no care for presentation, as though only YOU care about how pages are laid out and as though we haven't been revamping pages for a literal decade now. And finally, when I banned you for being a troglodyte (which is indeed against the rules, since we've had to deal with so many people like that), you not only sockpuppeted your way back into the server TWICE to further complain, but went to other users' DMs to insult me for enforcing the rules and push your own narrative - only then did you try to contact me directly with that friend request (and now you know why I both denied it and blocked you). So no, Gilded, you're not getting unbanned from the server because you lost that chance as soon as you broke more rules in your attempt to prove that you didn't break them the first time around, which you did. Best to just move on with your life.--Xilinoc (talk) 17:54, August 9, 2020 (UTC)

Can you please pull up these supposed messages where I was "was being condescending, smarmy, rude, and an overall prick?" Like, actually post images of our entire conversation. I didn't demand you guys totally restructure the wiki. All I did was suggest that maybe the novels not be listed with the other more out-there adaptations like videogame stuff. You were the one who told me you guys were planning on listing the novel's information and history together with the filler in a separate tab. I agreed with you on this, and merely extended the suggestion to separating them from other media. I wasn't trying to insult your editing quality or anyone else's when I pointed out that Ichigo's "Other Media" page would look clunky if all the filler arcs as well as his novel information as added there. That isn't me trying to "restructure" everything if it's a suggestion on what you told me you guys were already planning to do. I had assumed we were having a civil conversation up to this point. You did not suggest to me at all that you were upset or even annoyed by this.

Following me pointing that out, you inquired as to Ichigo's role within the novels, because you thought that Ichigo didn't have any role within them. When you said Byakuya acted out of character, all I did was disagree with you, and I certainly didn't do so dickishly. Following that casual exchange was when you chose to ban me. Not before. Please, tell me why you only chose to ban me following that exchange? I'm genuinely curious.

When I came back and saw you telling other users that I was arguing with you over the novels being canon, of course I was pissed. I had literally told you that the novels weren't canonical, and even referenced the evidence toward you that backs it up (namely that SAFWY insists that Ichgio confronted Oko Yushima) Literally anyone can scroll up in that conversation and see that's not true. Of course I'd be angry about you disparaging me in that manner.

If this is me "changing the narrative." Prove it. Screenshot the entire conversation we had, and don't delete anything or leave anything out. All of your messages and all of my messages. This is why I want to discuss it with another moderator who can actually see the messages between us, because it seems clear to me that you had acted out of line and based on either a projection on me of people who've complained about the novels in the past on this wiki, or on your personal hang-ups regarding the novels themselves. Gildeds (talk) 23:04, August 9, 2020 (UTC)

Just to add, I didn't post or say anything in the server when I entered it the final time. I only did so I could DM the people you lied to about the situation and correct what happened without you spreading misinformation or deleting any messages from me. I let the people you lied to know what happened, because you started shifting the narrative to suit your own purpose when you made it about canonicity within the novels. And assuming you didn't delete those messages too they can scroll up and draw their own conclusions anyhow. If I'm such a liar then it shouldn't matter because anyone can see what happened.

Anyhow, even if you did delete our conversation, you still have access to those deleted messages as a discord moderator. So again, if I shifted the narrative, lied, and was out of line by trying to take it up with a separate moderator or administrator, post our whole conversation and prove it. Gildeds (talk) 23:14, August 9, 2020 (UTC)