Bleach Wiki talk:Policy & Standards Committee/Archive 2

Nomination- Lemursrule
I am nominating Lemursrule for a position on the committee. Lemurs has been around for a while and is known around the wiki for her weekly blogs. Recently, she was given her own project to helm and has kicked her editing up. She is quite active and is a pleasure to work and speak with. Therefore, I place her name up for nomination.--


 * As the nominator, I support her--
 * I support this because she is a frequent member, people recognize her and she's head of a project, which she is dedicated to so she might as well be here!! SunXia   (Chat)  06:55, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I always thought she was an awesome user, and she's been here for a long time so I'm positive that she is aware of the various policies in place on the site. In addition, she has been given, and has been doing a lot of work for, her own project, so I think she should be a committee member.
 * I certainly have no reason to oppose. I have seen that she has become head of the recently formed Media Project, and is handling that well. No problems have occurred with her in regards to her edits. Despite not interacting with her much, I can give my support. ---Mr. N (Discuss)   02:14, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Chat Rules
Now that our chat is getting fairly active, we need to set down some rules for use and behavior. I talked with Salubri and he believes its best if the committee comes up with some ideas and we'll see what goes from there. Below, I will put down some rules taken from other wikis I have seen that I think would be beneficial here. Voice your opinion on any of them or leave your own idea. Nothing is set in stone yet, we just need to flesh out some of these rules.

Spam and Vandalism - obviously, we need rules against basic stuff such as spam or vandalism. No using chat for advertising, posting the same thing over and over and/or vandalizing with defaming remarks and the like.

No Caps - Adapted from the rule on Community Central, users should not be using all capital letters, otherwise called shouting. The occasional use for emphasis is alright but excessive use is not alright.

No Trolling - Users should not be trolling or purposefully annoying other users in the chat.

Edit Count Requirement - Pokemon wiki was the first to adapt this rule and I have seen a few wikis adapt it since. A mainspace edit count of a certain number is required to get on chat. Users not meeting the requirement are asked to leave the chat until they have enough edits.

No Roleplaying - an extension of our fan fiction rules. Users should not be using chat to roleplay. If they want to roleplay, they can go to the Bleach Fan Fiction Wiki chat.

Language - keep harsh language to a minimum. No swearing, no self censoring, just keep it clean.

Comment and discuss.--

I agree with all these, I think it would be wise to have basic ground rules and none of these are out of the question. My only concern is that we do not try to be too selective with the edit count, because it might turn potential editors away. -- 23:25, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * We can set the edit count requirement reasonably low. 10 edits should be fine. Just enough so that it shows they are going to actually be contributing to the site.--

That sounds very reasonable, 10 edits should be more than enough. -- 01:21, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I agree!! Should be implemented!!

These rules seem suitable for a basic foundation for the chat feature. I may also suggest some sort of rule regarding posts that attack, insult, flame, defame, and/or abuse others (which may follow along the lines of Spam and Vandalism or Language). I am not sure if a user can be blocked from chat, but maybe a block policy if blocks can be done? And this is off-topic but...is the | Policy Violations page still something being used? I know that problematic users come and go, and many of them are generally dealt with by Committee members, so they are not necessarily warned by an Admin (and put on said page). Part of the reason that I ask is because it seems like something similar could be useful for the Committee and partly because the list on the page is dated. Obviously, this is not the most pressing thing to look into, but I thought I would voice this observation. ---Mr. N (Discuss)   01:50, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * The policy violations page, to my knowledge, has not been used in a very long time. That said, it might not be difficult to repurpose the page to allow for the committee members to add on to it. We'd have to talk it over with the admins but that might work well.--

I'm in agreement with all of these policies, and as long as the edit count requirement stays reasonably low (10 sounds perfect) I don't see it harming the activity on chat.

Resigning
This is extremely embarrassing, but, unfortunately I have to resign from the Committee. Being the head of a project on this site as well as being a member of the Policy & Standard's Committee was exciting and I feel very honored to have been given the chance to help the Bleach Wiki in such a way, but, as I'm sure all of you have noticed, I haven't been making nearly as many edits as a Committee member should. And this is because I bit off more than I could chew. I'm the head Administrator and sole Bureaucrat of the FT wiki and I thought I could balance my work there with my work here, but I can't. At first it seemed easy, but we are constantly getting new things on the wiki (monthly magazines, competitions, comics, etc.) and I'm usually expected to be at the center of all of those things. On a good day, I only have four hours to get online because I have to balance wiki work with my RL work and on Wednesdays I can hardly get online at all. I love working here at the Bleach wiki, but I just don't think I have enough time to do so anymore. Don't mistake my message however, I'm not leaving the wiki, I just know my level of activity is no where near Committee standards so I think it'd be for the best if I left the Committee. Sorry everyone.

I am sorry to see you go, but I understand. I wish you the best.-- 21:05, March 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry to see you go Jakuho, good luck with Fairy Tail wiki. I'll catch you around Community Central and remember that you are always welcome to return to the committee should you find the time to become active here again.--
 * Thanks so much guys.

Aww sorry dude, wish you luck with Fairy Tail!!

Very sorry to see you go Jakuho. Best of luck with FT Wiki. Seems to be thriving at the moment. 11:13, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

A shame to see you go, but quite understandable. Best of luck with Fairy Tail wiki. It really is quite excellent and doing well! ---Mr. N (Discuss)   14:41, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone, I really appreciate it. :)

Policy Violations Page - Additional Tool for Committee?
Hello everyone. I am not sure if everyone saw my comment about the Policy Violations page under the Chat Rules section, but I basically voiced my observation about the page apparently not being actively used and that it might a tool for the Committee (for keeping track of problematic users that the Administrators might not catch). To give a summary about the page, the Policy Violations page is/was something used by the Administrators to keep track of “all users who have received a warning from one of the Admins for failing to follow one or more of the Bleach Wiki's official policies.” Godisme’s response to my comment on that was: “The policy violations page, to my knowledge, has not been used in a very long time. That said, it might not be difficult to re-purpose the page to allow for the committee members to add on to it. We'd have to talk it over with the admins but that might work well.”

So, I am formally requesting feedback on this; do we want/want to consider having a similar page for Committee use? It might work well to have information on problematic users centralized for all to see, instead of having it spread out over various users’ chat pages. Of course, this is not the most pressing issue, so it certainly is something that does not need to decided upon immediately. Thanks in advance!---Mr. N (Discuss)   20:23, March 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I support something like this!! I like to keep a record of things and offences people have committed on other forums and things!! For example, like Sock Puppets of abusive members and things!! Should keep a record of their patterns so we know how to identify spammers and flammers and Trolls!!


 * Some maintenance would be required on the page to get it working how we need it but I think it would be a good idea. We would need to take a look at the people on there now and clear out many of the unrecognized names of people long past but it could work.--


 * Sorry it took be so long to reply to this, but I think with all the spammers and trolls lately, this would be a good addition.-- 18:26, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

So I think everyone is in agreement on having a tool like this. Let's see about getting the administrators' feedback since the committee is in agreement about having a Policy Violations page. ---Mr. N (Discuss)   01:29, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Anime Summary Project
As you may have noticed, this project has basically taken a back seat, personally I've been trying to do the technique gifs which is taking so long due to so many of the episodes now being unavailable!! however anyway, with IamJakuhoRaikoben's retirement, it is now leaderless as well!! God and I were discussing if anyone would like to take this up!! Obviously, I'm downloading a lot of episodes at the moment and when I can I like to do the summary and images at the same time, two birds one stone so I wouldn't mind taking it up, especially now the Anime is done for now, there will not be so much pressure in this area so I can have more lee-way with it!! I've basically been thinking of going backwards, arc at a time for those episodes I feel are lacking an extended narrative/images!! Those are my ideas, if anyone else wants to chip in or claim it?? It's fine, I know I have a lot to do due to GIFs and stuff but I will be getting the episodes that I can anyway!!

I personally do not feel it is appropriate for me to claim leadership for the Anime Summary Project. This is not to say that I don't want to help, but I don't think my situation lends me to being able to fully commit. However, I can offer some assistance should you need it. ---Mr. N (Discuss)   01:29, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Since there have been no objections, I have placed SunXia as the leader of the Anime Summary Projects. Mr. N, feel free to help in any capacity you can.--

Nomination - Glass Heart
I am placing Glass Heart up for nomination into the committee. Since joining the wiki, she has proved to be a capable editor and willing to help out where its needed. She handled an Arc summary with no problems and has recently taken up the Chronology Project, one of our more difficult projects we have here on the wiki. I think Glass would make a perfect addition to the committee.-- -- 06:23, July 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) As nominator, I support--
 * 2) Funny thing I was thinking about nominating her myself. She has been very helpful and she would be an excellent addition to the committee. She follows the rules and is respectful to others, a more than worthy candidate.
 * 1) Sure she's been doing a lot!!
 * 2) I have no issues. I have not interacted with her much, but I have seen her around the site doing quite a bit of work. Her qualification to be on the Committee is certainly backed by her taking up the Chronology Project. ---Mr. N  (Discuss)   18:44, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Glass Heart as Co-Head for Anime Summary Project
I've had a discussion with Glass about being Co-head with me as to lighten the load and to discuss innovations on improving articles as 1) the Anime is finished and so it's a great time to do such a thing and 2) throughout this project the standard has gradually risen from what they were in the beginning and it would be good to do a thorough check and improvement over all the arcs!! If anyone has a problem, discuss it here otherwise I will go ahead and add her soon!!


 * It's your project, you appoint whoever you want.--
 * Grand just making sure!!

Nominations - Mohrpheus and KuroAshi98
Alright, 2 nominees this time.

Mohrpheus
Mohrpheus was the former 3rd seat of the committee before he became inactive due to starting college and other things keeping him busy. Mohrph is now back and pretty much doing more work than any ever before, getting translations from the translation corner, working on Article Improvement projects and editing anything he sees. As a former member of the committee, he knows how the committee operates and is familiar with all the policies of the site. It is therefore that I nominate him to rejoin the committee.
 * 1) As nominator--
 * 2) I don't think I have much reason to oppose.
 * 3) Morph's a good guy and he has been very active, I don't see any reason to oppose.-- 01:39, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) It is precisely because he is a former member of the committee, having seen his previous work before,  that I can support this nomination. Very good to see that a member from the past make a return.---Mr. N  (Discuss)   17:32, October 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) Been very active, especially why I was away, keep it up!!

KuroAshi98
Kuro is a much needed image guy. Give him a project and its done by morning. He is good with gifs as well and could provide Sun with help in the image department as well as in the Image Unit. I believe he would make a great addition to the team.
 * 1) As nominator--
 * 2) Response is the same as above.
 * 3) He is reliable and has been very helpful in picking up the slack around here. -- 01:40, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Having not interacted with Kuroashi98 before, I cannot speak of his conduct when interacting with other users or how acquainted he is with policies. That being said, I can say that he does look to have some skills working with images (from looking at his contribution history). I currently see no particular reason to oppose his nomination.---<font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">Mr. N  <font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">(Discuss)   17:32, October 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) I do need help with images and stuff as we know I can get sick, however want to see more and well he knows to check the categories and galleries!! Grand!!

Nomination - Xilinoc
Xilinoc has nominated himself for a spot in the committee. Please place your votes below.-- To be perfectly honest, I should abstain from voting since I have not interacted with Xilinoc. However, I haven't seen any major problems from his edits. And looking at his contribution log (as of 02/13/2013), his qualifications do appear to be in order (in the context of his edits for the Grammar Corner). I am inclined to support, and I don't have any particular reason to oppose.---<font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">Mr. N <font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">(Discuss)   18:28, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Xil has taken charge of the grammar corner since he started on the site. He has been on regularly and has taken to really refining all the articles to bring them up to standard grammar wise. I think he would make an excellent addition to the committee.--
 * 2) I see no reason to oppose. Xil is a great editor on the wiki.
 * 3) Xil's been doing a lot of good work on here, and he's easy enough to get along with. He's clearly up to speed on all of our policies.  Mohrpheus   (Talk)  01:53, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) Xi has been a wonderful editor ever since he started here. Not only is he a great editor, he is a delight to interact with. I whole heartily support his nomination.-- 02:41, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5) Got made to do thisi n the middle of drying hair but thoughts are the same as others!!

Nomination - Kamikaze839
Kamikaze839 has nominated himself for a position in the committee. Please place your vote below.
 * 1) He has been fairly active recently in the Grammar corner along with Xilinoc. He is a hard worker and easy to get along with.--
 * 2) Kami has really helped with the workload given to me by Godisme. *stares accusingly* Anyhow, I fully support his nomination.--Xilinoc (talk) 02:58, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) Why not :) -- 03:19, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4)  I got no complaints for Kami. He's a good editor and a good user to talk to.
 * 5)  I have not monitored Kami's progress, but a cursory inspection of his contributions shows that he has put a considerable amount of work into improving the grammar on the site. He's been doing so for the past couple of months, and it's apparent that he is familiar with our policies, so I see no reason to say no.  Mohrpheus   (Talk)  02:29, February 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * 6)  From Kuro (via Facebook due to a broken modem): "I support Kami. :P"--


 * 1) His activity in this capacity ha only been fairly recently I would like to see more for a while yet!!
 * 2) Abstain - I have to agree with Sunxia's statement of Kamikaze839's activity capacity being relatively recent. And like Morpheus, I have not monitored his progress but his contributions (as of Feb. 18 2013) look promising. Even so, I would like to see how the user may interact with others outside of the committee (as he has stated he is "familiar with the other members of the committee") and his edits that may not be directly related to "grammar corrections." ---<font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">Mr. N <font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">(Discuss)   02:54, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Updating the Committe Procedures/Policies Page
I've been looking around the wiki and noticed this page Bleach Wiki: Committee Procedures. After glancing over it, I noticed that in the "removing a committee member" section it talks about removing captains and seated officers, which to my understanding is a system that the committee no longer goes by. I think it's time to update the page to match the current ways of doing things in the Committee. --Kamikaze839 (talk) 18:54, March 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * 1) Kami has a point. We no longer go by these terms, and the page should reflect this.--Xilinoc (talk) 18:58, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) Yeah it should reflect the newer system so maybe it needs new rules??

It doesn't need new rules or anything, its just out of date in that we don't have a taicho any longer. I'll simply update it to reflect this.--


 * Thank you --Kamikaze839 (talk) 19:49, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Removal of Glass Heart
Glass Heart has recently told me she won't be active on this wiki in the near future, thus why she removed her name from the projects she was on. In addition, as of late, her edits have not been for article improvement, only for voting, changing her JS, and her only edits to articles these days are adding

to them, which only improves the look of articles in Monobook, not in Oasis On top of this, though she comes into chat, she almost never talk with other members, and is almost always away. According to the Committee Member Removal section, "Non-performance/non-communication with the committee - this is different from being inactive. They might still be active in the wiki, but if they suddenly stopped talking to the committee and responding to messages or looking after projects to which they are assigned, then it's a problem". As such, she no longer meets the qualifications for being a committee member, and should thus be removed.--Xilinoc (talk) 03:02, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

I support this.--Xilinoc (talk) 03:02, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Without stating the obvious, she clearly doesn't want to give it her all for the site's best interest, so it is best if we cut ties.-- 03:06, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

I've noticed this trend as well, but if she did remove her name from the projects and informed someone that she would be inactive, then she doesn't have the time needed to work on them. This is probably for the best. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  03:13, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Well basically thats disappointing, but if that her decision.--

As Xil said, lately her edits are to customize for monobook, which really isn't helping. Also, she tends to call other committee members out for supposedly breaking policy, namely the chat policy, but other than that, she doesn't enforce the policy as much as other committee members and doesn't communicate.

If this is the case, then she has already more or less resigned. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  04:35, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Our Role here are Committee Members, not Chat Moderators, and I have not seen these duties been carried out not to mention I don't like it when people start arguments over nothing regarding tiny decisions, thus lack of being a team player, which has been the repeated case when we are trying to move on to more productive things!!

User has withdrawn from all projects (helping with projects being noted as a requirement for membership). Lately edits have not been geared towards article content. Users have in the past been removed (or voluntarily resigned) from the Committee due to not being able to make the necessary commitment. Disappointing obviously, but it's absolutely fine. 12:40, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

First of all, Xilinoc, I meant that I was probably going to be a little less active due to some personal stuff. That doesn't mean that I'm going to be inactive for long periods of time without doing much in any possible way for the wiki.

Secondly, my edits on the wiki have been productive; perhaps not in the sense that I'm fixing grammar or summarizing chapters, episodes, and fights, though it is still contributing and productive for the wiki. Yes, lately I've been more attentive towards the Clear templates, but it's still improving the wiki in a sense. Also, I have been actively participating in wiki discussions on the wiki (that does not include using the chat feature), particularly on article talk pages and on the forums. I do join chat for some discussions but I prefer not to handle wiki changes exclusively on chat; that's one reason why I don't chat as much as many other administrators or rollback users. Additionally, I rarely change my personal JS or CSS on this wiki. As a matter of fact, I've only done it three times, and just one today, with the other two being done several months prior.

Therefore, I have been active on this wiki. But if you guys think that I haven't done as much or anything at all compared to some of you, then fine. I'm just as semi-active, in terms of editing and communication, as some of the other Committee members. Though I'm the only one who sees that, huh?

Also, Lemurs, it's not that I don't want to give my time for the wiki a 120% or anything, it's just that I know I'm not as dedicated as a handful of you. Don't get that confused.

And Kami, as I already said, some of my edits are to improve article appearance in Monobook; as much as you probably don't want to admit it, that is helping, specifically for Monobook users. And I don't even recall myself actually calling committee members out for actually breaking policies. I do actually try to enforce the policies when I can, mainly with chat these days, whenever I can. Furthermore, like I also said, I do communicate with the users here; it's just that I don't like to use chat for almost every sort of discussion these days. So, no, you're quite wrong about most of what you said.


 * "I have been actively participating in wiki discussions on the wiki (that does not include using the chat feature), particularly on article talk pages and on the forums." - I checked over Glass's contributions and this is simply not true. Two edits to an article talk page since last August (one of which was just to add an unsigned template rather than discuss anything); one user talk page message since September (to wish someone a happy birthday); no edits to forums since December; and on project talk pages after a long gap since November there is one discussion on a change to a profile picture and voting on new additions to Committee. I cannot classify this in the same terms quoted above. 12:40, March 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, there is no real attempt to explain lack of editing or contributions, and removal of self from projects was just done and not explained!! If people are inactive due to things then explanations are given since communication is necessary!! We understand people have lives but this is clearly an ongoing issue of nothing really!! Our work here is for the readers, most will use the default skin, editing for Monobook is almost redundant and lacks current productivity!! Monobook is no longer the skin used by people who read, it is only usedb y people who remember it and are thus editors!! This site is produced for the readers and we need people dedicated to continuing its upkeep as it is!! We need to be moving forward, lurking and merely commenting on some stuff without any communication is not really how things should be done and this is close to 5 months ongoing!! And if its going to get less than what it has has been then that's even less productive!! 14:57, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Guess stuff like this and this aren't worth mentioning.

Also, I did explain that I was probably going to be a little more inactive for a bit. I've been busy with personal stuff; everyone is busy with personal stuff and sometimes they don't really want to elaborate on it. Though maybe I need to message everyone's talk page and inform them that I won't be doing this or that for some time and why in full detail just so everyone can see what I'm going through. And first of all, no, Monobook is not used exclusively by people who were here when it was still used; Oasis was my default skin as well but I still switched over. And as "commenting on some stuff", as you are looking at it, is still communication in a way. If I need to fix grammar or add images or w/e to be more productive in how Oasis users reflect upon it, then fine, so be it.

Removal of Godisme
Recently, Godisme has been performing far below the expectations for a committee member and a user on this site in general. All of these actions go against the best interests of the wiki, and it would be best for all of us if he were removed from the committee.--Xilinoc (talk) 00:43, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * He has not been active on the site for the better part of last month.
 * During an altercation over the removal of an image, he stated he would not allow us to use his bots, therefore refusing to cooperating with other committee members.
 * He has frequently and publicly harassed and demeaned SunXia, Lia Schiffer, EnemyPeacemaker, and various other users for various reasons.
 * On the Fairy Tail wiki, he publicly stated he has abandoned this wiki and its users, evidenced by his lack of activity, and has referred to the wiki as a "shithole".
 * He has used his bot to fluff his edit count and make it look like he is still active here.


 * 1) I really wanted things to turn out better, but clearly we are at an impasse, and at this point we are past the point of no return. Yes, Godisme was a big part and help to this site, but his inappropriate behavior has undermined all the good that he has done, and it would be best if we formally end our association with him and his participation on this site.-- 00:52, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) He was a good editor. Was. Currently, his edits and actions go against what the wiki is shifting towards. Also, he has made edits that blatantly go against what the other committee members stated without discussion, and when we try that, he berates us for it. He is a pretty big reason why people don't like this wiki, so people either don't edit in a helpful manner out of hatred, or rage-vandalize.
 * 3) I obviously support this.--Xilinoc (talk) 01:59, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) I really didn't want it to come to this, as God was definitely a valuable asset to this wiki. But his behavior as of late has been unacceptable, and we can't continue to let things stay this way. I'm going to have to support this motion as well. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  02:55, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5) Frankly, I was very much hoping that this whole situation could be salvaged, but we are well past that now. It has become abundantly clear that things cannot go back to the way they were before; even if they had, we might have very well reached this point anyway. So perhaps it is for the best that they do not. With that in mind, I am in favor of this motion.  Mohrpheus   (Talk)  09:29, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * 6) He did a lot of good but the bad has been outweighing that for a while now and I concur that it is time to move on. User has neglected responsibilities of being a member of the Committee: no longer patrols for/reverts vandalism, does not help with projects (indeed grammar corner died under his care and was resurected thanks to Xilinoc), has exhibited rather poor behaviour towards several users. His conduct is generally undesirable in a member of the Committee and the level of work (despite a recent peak, some of which was clearly bot edits and followed by abandonment of the wiki) has generally been below desireable levels for some time. As said above we hoped not to have to do this but it is for the best now  11:07, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Forum Rules
Ok I have brought this up several times that now that the new forum format has become more popular, we need to establish rules to keep the forums from being filled with off-topic spam!! So here are a few I am thinking of and please suggestions are welcome!! These are just basics so far just to keep an order to the Forums as they are a lot more active now!! I would appreciate some more opinions and suggestions!!
 * 1) No Flaming of other users. Be polite at all times to users here, no condescension, hostility or insulting other users just because they disagree with your opinion. eg-"You're a fool for thinking that!!", "You're clearly wrong!!"
 * 2) No Trolling of any kind, even if you feel a user has trolled, let the correct users deal with it rather than respond in kind. Trolling is basically saying things you know will incite other members until they become annoyed. You are allowed to disagree but do not deliberately bate others as it is an indirect attack. eg-"People who like Bleach are insane!!"
 * 3) No Spamming threads with posts that add nothing to the conversation. If a user has asked a question and they have got an answer, no need to make fun of them or spam with things the contribute nothing to the discussion. If a discussion is over let it lie unless you want to build upon the actual discussion. eg-"So the anime is returning tonight! *Psyche*"
 * 4) No massive numbers of repeat threads. If you want to post a topic then try to make an effort to see if a discussion was recently created about it as your question may have been answered there and you can also build upon an existing discussion with your own insight.
 * 5) Threads that haven't had a reply in two months can be left alone and considered closed and can be done so by the Administrators, there is no need to revive an ancient thread since many who have posted may not be around anymore.
 * 1) Very good reasons. Also: threads that have not had a reply for x amount of time will be closed.
 * 2) I've seen far too many threads derailed by one comment, and it's annoying to see people ignoring the wuestion entirely. Everything else is good as well.--Xilinoc (talk) 19:28, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) Ok added your suggestion and developed point 4 more to adapt to it!!
 * 4) Everything here seems reasonable. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  19:34, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5) That seems fine. It could all be incporated under the Discussion Policy as there is some overlap there.  20:56, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * 6) Ill support this its needed.--
 * Actually Yyp, you can find the media wiki for the forums here
 * I have added them provisionally to the Discussion Policy, I had used it before however because it wasn't listen as Forums rules an Edit War was almost sparked!! I do think we need to make our rules clear to users as well!! Somewhere clear for policies!! Leave this here now for further suggestions and others having chance for input!!


 * 1) Yeah simple rules should suffice. A few good rules I don't think is a lot to ask for from users.-- 02:07, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Affiliation Request
Well, we don't have a set procedure for this, so I'm dropping this here. The Kaichou wa Maid-Sama! Wiki has requested to be affiliated with us. They seem like a good wiki, though the article details seem somewhat lacking.

An idea
So Sal, Lemurs, Xil, and I have been talking about this last night. I have thought of a way to encourage users to edit properly and follow policy. What is this idea you ask? A "Featured User" System, where an exceptionally good user for the month will be featured on the main page. Now, there are several rules and guidelines I have created to help put this program into use in a fair way, and I am open to suggestions. The rules are:

Overall, the system I came up with will encourage users to follow policy and make helpful edits, where the only thing preventing a user from being featured is an inability or unwillingness to edit properly or follow policy. It's somewhat similar to the rewards system in the Article Improvement Unit, but unlike that, the featured user stuff won't be confined to a single project, and thus will be more public. Which means users will be more informed about this, so they know they can do it. If you have any questions or would like to suggest any changes, put them below.
 * 1) The criteria is not by vote, but by a point system. Users will get points if they perform actions that help the wiki (grammar edits, photos with FUR, using talk pages the way they are supposed to, etc.), and lose points for anything that is unhelpful to the wiki (adding unreferenced info, article photos w/o FUR, violating a policy, etc.), with varying amounts of points depending on how helpful/hurtful the actions is. The user with the greatest amount of points at the end of the month is next month's winner.
 * 2) Ties will be decided in a committee vote.
 * 3) In November, I propose that we switch from a Featured User of the Month to a User of the Year kind of thing, where the contenders for the User of the Year is based on the Featured Users in the previous months. This means that for the User of the Month, the observation period is from December-October, with each featured user being featured on the main page the month after the observation period they were in.
 * 4) No user can be featured more than once a year, if we're going for the User of the Year thing. and User of the Year candidates must continue editing outside the month they were featured in, at least once per month, to be considered a candidate for User of the Year. (This is to ensure that they don't edit just in the month they're running for featured user, leave, and come back for user of the year).
 * 5) Admins and Committee will NOT participate. We already do a lot of helpful work and it would be unfair for the regular users if we were in the running.
 * 6) To help deal with large flow of users if it gets to that point, we should create a sign up sheet, where users can sign up for consideration, and each committee and admin (or at least those who wish to dedicate some time to this) can take on a number of users per month, and keep an eye on their edits, to avoid having to deal with so many users at once.

My only concern is how many people do this, like any new thing on a wiki, it won't get new members unless properly advertised
 * 1) For the reasons for implementing this.
 * 2) I think it is a great idea for users that don't have rights!! However, I have seen things like this being forgotten about so there would need to be diligence and specific rules set out!! Like not always quantity of edits but quality too, like images added too, some do it in single edit and if they have required tagging etc!!
 * 3) I agree with Sun, but I support this. Seems like a great way to encourage users to become proper editors on the wiki, something we can always use more of.--Xilinoc (talk) 22:39, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) I agree with what everyone has said so far. I feel one of our goals this year should be for people other than users who have been here for awhile, should feel welcomed and want to come here. The one thing this fandom loves (whether we agree with everything 100% or not) is community. If we have a stronger community, then it can only help the wiki grow and expand on many levels.-- 00:25, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5) Sure why not lets see how it goes.--
 * 1) Tentative support for a trial run of this. I am concerned that it will fizzle out, but we can see how it goes. Even if it only achieves its aim for a while it would be worthwhile, better than not doing anything.  10:37, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Comments and Discussion
Hi folks! I am very happy to announce the completion of the Volume Summary Project! The last chapter summary has been written today and now the project has entered maintenance mode. By that I mean that the project will still be used to monitor and address concerns about the volume pages as a whole and there are still some outstanding issues. But the summaries are written. They will undoubtedly be improved, expanded and otherwise worked upon by other wiki editors but the point is, the volume pages are no longer big blank nothings! We did it! Yay!

So what's next? I have an idea swelling in my head but I am not going to get into the details of it yet. Mostly because I will be very busy in the coming week(s) and so need time to get the next project together, have the necessary discussions and the likes. I will get into the details of the project in due course. So watch this space! ^.^ Tinni   (Talk)  10:37, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Ok folks, Mohrpheus and I have spokent and it has been agreed that the Referencing Project will be changed to the Article Improvement Project, which will focus on improving an article in general. This includes adding references, expanding plot sections, adding pictures etc. This also eliminates the need of a stubs project in the future as all articles marked as "stubs" can be routed through the Article Improvement Project. Mohrpheus and I will be jointly co-leading the project. Tinni  (Talk)  02:31, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Hello I am happy to announce that officially the overhaul that the Ichigo Kurosaki article page has taken far longer then intended is finished and it is now open again. In light of that I would ask all committee members to keep a watchful eye on it. Thank you. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  04:17, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

There are new guidelines put forth for images on the site please refer the Bleach Wiki:Image Policy. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  04:12, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hey everyone Ive given it some thought and Im thinking of updating and redoing the main page. Any ideas for something advanced or different to make the main page stand out and amaze other wiki sites. I was also thinking of trying out the image slider for a week, though I question whether it would work with anime images and the image quality of being so large. In any case the point remains any incites would be appreciated and if you can refer them to my talk page that would be great. Thanks. --<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  18:44, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Helping the Editors
So I feel like we should do more to help new editors and such. We've seen plenty of people not understand the policy and editors whose edits were not very good. We need a way to help them. The blogs Sun, Xil, and I wrote are very helpful, but they are more on policy than actual application and editing, and people will have to actively search for them now that several weeks have passed and the blogs have been burried down in the activity list. We might need to awaken our inner teacher and personally guide them. What I've noticed on Community Central is that the admins and very experienced editors hold "office hours", where at set times of the day and week, those editors are in chat helping users and teaching them how to edit. I think we should implement our own system, where the admins and committee have times where they're in chat assisting users in editing.

I personally went to an online public school, so personally I can say that online "office hours" would be a great benefit. We just need to find someone who can be on demand.-- 18:21, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

I would support doing this. However, the challenge will be to find those who are willing to dedicate the time to do so.---<font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">Mr. N <font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">(Discuss)   23:50, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Resignation
It's just as the topic name says, I'm putting forward my resignation. I don't feel as though I deserve the position currently, and the only reason I acquired it was due to God's encouragement. I never really had any aspirations towards becoming a member, and so I'm forfeiting my position. 03:41, June 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry to see you go buddy!! And I knew about that encouragement he was trying to make me encourage you too but I always felt that One Piece was your real home wiki but its been nice having you aboard and hope you are not a stranger!! xo

Keeping the Image Gallery talk, Featured modules, and front page as a whole updated
Okay, since we don't have enough time and guarantee of presence to discuss this in chat, let's put this up here.

We really, really need to:


 * Have committee members and admins voting on the Image gallery talk page. We need more input on changes to profile images.


 * We need to make voting on the Featured Article, Image, and Quote more well-known to the wiki community. We also need to decide what we're going to do with the Featured Image, which has been on hold for at least a month now, and if we're going to keep the Featured stuff at all, since Salubri has stated it takes up a lot of space.


 * We need to decide how we're going to keep the front page updated and maintained. As of late, it's been lagging in certain areas, and we need to keep it up-to-date.

This is everything I can think of at the moment, feel free to add more if you can think of it.--Xilinoc (talk) 01:32, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * The Featured Quote and Article don't need to take up as much space as it does, the module for the blog posts can be shortened. I am also questioning the need for a Recent Episodes module as the anime has already completed, and therefore can be removed. For Featured stuff, one of the requirements is a monthly mainspace edit count. That wards away potential voters. From what I understand, that was put in place because of a certain ex-committeeman's actions, and he's no longer part of the wiki. Is it safe to remove that particular rule?
 * If you are referring to these rules, they have been in place since long before that certain member even joined the committee. The intent of the rules haven't really shifted since then, but given the low turnout for voting, I suppose changing the policy would not be too harmful. I think that the legitimate reason given clause is enough to maintain some order in the vote. Mohrpheus   (Talk)  10:03, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Actions Regarding Users Who Are Blocked/Left the Wiki
Alright, so there's something troubling me and some other users. This issue is in regards to how we deal with users who are troubling us. The issues are: I will openly admit that I am guilty of what I have just stated. However, I am trying to change and conform to the ideas and improve my character. I strongly urge all those who see this to as well as we will create a more positive environment for which editors can work in.
 * 1) Letter of the Law vs. Spirit of the Law. Many Committee Members and admins on here enforce the policy to the letter, not making any exceptions. What I want is the spirit of the law. Several times we have blocked users without pointing them out in the right direction or helping them, or seeing the context of their actions. Some users are inherently bad or ignore warnings/help, while others are just trying to get assistance. There was one user today who made edits with good intent, but was rebuked. Some committee members have suggested blocking him without warning or actually taking the time to properly guide him (edit summaries should not count, they can't fully explain everything).
 * 2) Users who are already blocked. When users are blocked, the committee and admins get the urge to talk bad about the user behind his back, using terms such as "idiot" or cursing them out. As for users who left the wiki due to bad blood, Glass Heart and Godisme in particular, we do the same, only much much more often and be much more harsh. I don't see any gain in doing this. While it may make us feel good, it closes off any possibility of mending the rift created, it means we're still stuck in the past, and it speaks badly of the wiki to other users by projecting an image of malevolence towards people we don't like, and ruthlessness towards users. It isn't right to kick a user when they're down. The best thing we should do is put the issue to rest, otherwise we will never move on. When I say move on, I'm not saying we should rewelcome them, I'm saying that we have moved passed the trouble and we shouldn't be sticking ourselves back in.

I was hoping somebody else would have replied to this by now before I offered support, but it looks like that isn't the case. I agree with what Kami has said above, the treatment of others users (deserved or otherwise) only serves to create a toxic atmosphere on the wiki, of ill-meant gossip and shallow feuds. Whether the user has been a long-standing member or brand new, I often see them treated in a poor fashion. Following policy is fine, but sometimes you need to treat people well for them to respond in kind. Reacting to an honest mistake with harsh punishment, or dealing with differences in a manner even worse than the original offender just breeds a malevolent community.

The thing with God happened months ago, and I thought we had resigned ourselves to let it go when I brought it up several weeks ago in chat - that doesn't seem to be the case as he is still being brought up and ragged on, in chat or through private messages, and most recently in Xi's latest absent notice. I understand it was written in anger, but I don't see anybody other than Kami opening caring or trying to discourage these kinds of actions. 17:51, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

I've been rather reluctant to comment on this as I have not seen this issue of treatment of past users taking place myself and do not know any details (regarding the users mentioned, I think I remember something like this a considerable time ago however). But I agree with the sentiment here that people should let bygones be bygones and just forget about those that are not here anymore. I question what purpose and value bringing them up again has (beyond the understandable venting of frustration - but a better way of doing so could be sought). Again, I did not see these issues so I don't know what manner they came up in, or how it was handled. It could have been perfectly innocent and unintentional drifting of the conversation to start with for all I know, but I think it is best to let it be. We have better things to do than worry about those that we feel (rightly or wrongly) have wronged us and I have in the past said that we should have a more positive atmosphere here, as a negative one only harms the wiki in terms of putting off potential editors and indeed the non-editors. 21:27, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

I...probably do not qualify to be commenting on this matter, despite being a committee member. However, I am glad that Kamikaze839 brought this up. I wish I had brought up this concern earlier...but I did not want to get myself unnecessarily involved in conflicts and feuds, which I would probably be unable to resolve. Like Yyp, I do not think it is necessarily appropriate for me to comment on this matter since I do not have full details on the treatment of past users. Adding to my lack of qualifications is how I have not come into conflict into ANY user during my time on Bleach Wiki so far (and I intend to keep it that way). Even so, I have some gist of the issue. I will say this...the atmosphere for the Bleach Wiki certainly seems to have gone through dramatic changes from when I had first started on Bleach Wiki in 2010. The reactions to “bad” edits and users as well as policy enforcement seem harsher. Not only does it appear that users are more quickly blocked or cited for policy violation without taking the time to constructively help them. It does not help that users (both "official" and "non-official" users) have shown a lack of tact and etiquette during communication. Controlling how users react may not be possible, but everyone most certainly can be more careful in how they respond. I am aware that things among the lines of "Bleach Wiki discourages new users to join in, since it is so strict and they only allow people they like to edit" exist/have existed. Sigh. As Kamikaze839 pointed out, there have been times when users made edits with good intent, but were rebuked. There is also a possibility that the punishment of banning has become misused or overused. New users will not take hold in this community if the more established users do not take the time to properly guide newcomers to match policy standards. Just telling "non-official" users to change is not enough. The "official" and long-standing users also need to be willing to change. ---<font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">Mr. N <font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">(Discuss)   23:50, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Well I'm glad to see this topic generated a lot of discussion from the Committee members central to the issue Kami was referring to... /sarcasm

Really? I appreciate Mr. N and Yyp's contributions, but as they both point out - they aren't personally involved. Instead it's just been ignored by the people who are involved in this kind of behaviour. In silence, they have spoken more words than they may have if they had actually contributed. 11:31, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Well I have stayed out of this long enough, but here's my two cents. Although I was very "MILDLY" involved (I got in near the end of it) in some of the incidents listed, I still wasn't aware enough to really hold ill will to any of the users listed and even if I did, I still would not hold ill will because it is not productive for both the site and our own personal feelings. My only concern in all of those cases was to preserve civility and was willing to do whatever it took to keep the peace, and once that was acomplished it became a distant memory. I feel that any reminders from either party negates what was acomplished.-- 15:27, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect Romanizations
Does anyone else think it would be appropriate to remove the "sometimes incorrectly romanized as *blank*" spiels from the articles (mostly Arrancar names)? For the most part, they list blatantly incorrect fan romanizations that never had any legitimacy to begin with. There are some exceptions (Grimmjow has references listed for the alternate versions of his name), and Viz names can be included in the translation template the usual way. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  06:53, July 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree, removing dont this should not be a problem they are incorrect thus they have no reason to be on the page regardless if someone at some point someone thought it was correct. we also delete and/or fix this type of info normally any other time.--


 * I agree as well it causes too much confusion when people start "But I thought it was spelled like this and I'v seen it spell like that", serves no purpose!! The redirects from the common typos should be enough!!


 * Agreed, it's always bugged me because it's 1. out of universe and 2. pretty much completely unnecessary.--Xilinoc (talk) 15:03, July 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * I also agree. If I can recall correctly, the romantizations were especially a big problem in 2009-2010, many were cleared up in Masked and some like "Iduru Kira" are debatable, regardless with the exception of Harribel (which is kept as Halibel in Viz for continuity reasons) Viz gets there romantizations and rough translations directly from Shueshia and Kubo himself, and if we have more than two consitant official sources then that is the name we put in that article whether or not we personally agree with it. Therefore, "fan names," especially translations disproven years ago, have no place here and should be removed for consistency. Also, sorry for being so MIA I have been horribly sick the last few days.-- 15:19, July 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * I add my support to this as well. 20:52, July 2, 2013 (UTC)