Talk:Zangetsu (Quincy Powers)

Descriptions
Since this page is about Zangetsu in the spirit form specifically, then should we be including personality/character information that we know about him just in general? We don't do this on other spirit pages (examples: Hyōrinmaru (spirit) and Zabimaru (spirit)). Along those same lines, should we also be listing Zangetsu's first overall appearance, instead of his spirit appearance, when again, we didn't do that with the others? Twocents 17:09, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I dont think so the page is only in reference to what he is presented as in this filler arc. As this is the only instance of him being independent and as well none of what is currently taking place is from the manga which is the primary source material, filler has a great tendency to be at odd with what is confirmed facts from manga material.Salubri 17:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

That was my opinion, too, but I notice that the character outline lists some information known about Zangetsu in general, rather than what we've seen in Episode 233 specifically. Your recommendation, then, would be to make it specific to the Zangetsu seen in the filler arc? In which case, we need to adjust the anime debut, remove the manga debut, and make the character outline more specific to Zangetsu as seen in this arc. Twocents 18:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Is it ok to assume that the voice actors will remain the same in the other versions or should they be removed? Also, does anyone have a picture of him from this arc rather than the one that's currently in use? Ancient Chaos 19:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I can upload a picture from this arc, which I've now done. I apologize for the weird stance. I had problems finding something where he was standing still-ish, wasn't distant and fuzzy and didn't have text over him. And thanks for adjusting things to remove information not related to the Zangetsu we've seen in this filler! Twocents 20:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I think we should put the manga and earlier information back in. Zangetsu in the filler and inside Ichigo's spirit world are the same character, it's just Murasama let him out. He doesn't even have a different form, unlike the other Zanpakuto who at least look like other characters. ZeroSD 09:44, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow! whos the dumbass ignorant person who said that this is filler? its the same goddamn Zangetsu from the manga <_<--RexGodwin 04:54, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we should add that he have only one arm --Taan 18:27, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

He has two. He just usually keeps his left one tucked close to his body. Twocents 18:39, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * You are right. I just watched ep 233 again and he have both. --Taan 11:19, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Manga content
After the zanpaktou arc is over and all clarified manga based information should se added. Same goes for Zabimaru and Hyonimaru. User:Nekosama 19:08, September 26, 2009 (GTC)

Zangetsu, maybe. Hyorinmaru and Zabimaru, NO. These human forms in this arc are exclusive to this arc, and it was explained that Renji does not know how Zabimaru took a human form, and it seems that Zabimaru is still in this human form. Zabimaru hasn't been seen in the manga since the Soul Society arc and there is no indication that Zabimaru has changed from its animal form to a human in the manga. It's the same case for Hyorinmaru; though, unlike Zabimaru, Hyorinmaru's only manga appearance was in a past setting chapter. Zangetsu in probably the only exception due to the fact that Zangetu's appearance has not changed in this arc at all, since, unlike many of the other Zanpakuto spirits, Zangetsu was already in human form. Arrancar109 17:29, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Nope. I said AFTER this arc ends, did I? Okay, Zabimaru is the last one to include manga info, but Hyonimaru is still possible and acording to 238 preview -16 chapter will be included so it may be still be the same character. But as I said, not before this arc will end. Nekosama 23:58, September 26, 2009

I think this page should be updated to include everything zangetsu has done since the beginning of the series, starting from when Ichigo first met him. Zangetsu is a character in and of himself, just as any other character that has his own page would be. As such I believe this page should reflect that because it's not as if Zangetsu is Ichigo for you to only update information about him on Ichigo's page. Hollow Ichigo is also a part of Ichigo and he has his own page describing what he has doen in the canon series. Why can't Zangetsu? Benihime101 02:36, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

For the last time, it is not happening. We're not going to mix manga info on Zanpakuto Spirits, not even with Zangetsu. It is true he is the only confirmed Zanpakuto Spirit who appears the same both in his user's inner world and in his materialized form, but then we would have to do the same thing with Zabimaru and Hyorinmaru as well, since both Zanpakuto Spirits have appeared in the manga as well, but clearly not in the same forms as was portrayed in this arc. We've decided a long time ago that we're not going to mix the Zanpakuto arc info with the manga info regarding Zanpakuto spirits, due to the confusion and contradictions regarding both Zabimaru and Hyorinmaru. Arrancar109 (Talk)  04:48, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

And why is that such a problem? I still can't understand that. Spanish language version of this wiki inculdes manga information in Zangetsu article and it works out fine. Well, it could be hardly different because this is still the same character. Or maybe we should follow that pattern of Yours and do new articles about Ichigo or Orihime in filler arcs and consider them seperate characters from those "manga-canon"? Sounds stupid? Considering Zangetsu an anime only character is stupid. As for others solution for this would be very simple: Hyonimaru and Zabimaru character templates should include info like this: Apprears in : Manga and Anime (animal form), Anime Only (Human form) same goes for seiyuu and debut. As for appereance and personality section there shouldn't be any dificulty with discribing them both in their human and animal forms with adding which of them is anime-only. You may say that they're not the same charcters because their character is different, but there are lots of dynamic characters (saddly, not in Bleach) who change during the story line. For example Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader have different personality and appareance, yet they share the same article in Star Wars Wiki. Why? Because they're the same entiety. The same goes to both versions of Zabimaru and Hyonimaru. And please, don't give me that "Confusion" crap, beacuse it sounds like You consider other fans as idiots who can't read in english with understanding and can't distinguish what is anime-only or not. ( ...is an anime-only character which appears in the anime-exlusive arc this pharse just rox;]) Nekosama 18:35, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Or you could at least make an exception for this page since he is the only spirit that appears the same in both. And just make clear distinction as to what is canon and what isnt. Because in reality Zangetsu has had a lot of material in the canon which is not really covered in detail on Ichigo's page and I feel it would be right if he had his own, relevant synopsis. What would be more justifiable than a page that only includes filler plot would be a page that only includes manga canon and does away with anime-only material. And the same doesn't have to happen for zabimaru or the ice thing because they've had very minor roles in the canon, not nearly as important as zangetsu. And sorry for editing a closed discussion but I think you're making a very serious mistake by not incorporating the manga material Benihime101 03:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Right, since some people are not getting the message allow me to make something clear. This discussion was closed on the 16th of April. We are not negotiating. ALL the spirit pages will only have information from the Zanpakuto Unknown Tales Arc and the Beast Sword Arc. Manga based information will not be added to their pages. This is not up for discussion. But in case you have a burning desire to know why, simply put, it was made clear that the Zanpakuto spirits appeared the way they did and even behaved the way they did because of Muramassa's powers. I.e. that is not their natural state of being. In short, the studio writers used "Muramassa's power" as a catch all to do whatever they wanted and it is clear they did not intend anything happening in this arc to bleed into the canon arc. Further edits on this discussion will simply be reverted. Lastly, we do not care what happens in other wikis so it is futile to bring them up. Tinni  (Talk)  03:17, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

hollow move
how can zangetsu use the black Getsuga Tenshō if ichigo clearly said that origonaly it was hollow ichigos move during the first fight with girimmgow


 * It's still a Zangetsu move too, it's just a move that Hollow Ichigo invented to use with Zangetsu. ZeroSD 23:36, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * That's true. Even in the final battle with Byakuya Kuchiki, Ichigo confessed that "(Getsuga Tenshou) is the only attack Zangetsu taught him.", more or less. Abedeus 12:49, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Profile Picture
I was just looking at the Zangetsu (spirit) page, but I found the Profile Picture a bit low quality. I'd think the one used in Ichigo's Zanpaktou section to be more suitable What do you think? I won't add it in unless there is support on the matter. Glacial Blaze 22:14, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Support: I agree the current pic loks a little blurry, plus his swordarm is covering the bottom of his face slightly, which goes against the 'Quality Control' guidelines.

Oppose?:When is the pic GB supplied from? If it's an old arc, it kind of goes against what we normally do. TomServo101 22:52, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

I got the profile picture I'm suggesting from Ichigo's Zanpaktou section, so I wouldn't know. But, seeing as he isn't going to change appearance anytime soon, and there are hardly any appearances of him in the series, I think it will be the best picture of him. Glacial Blaze 23:02, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

I also managed to find another picture of him, tell me which one your prefer out of the two. Glacial Blaze 23:13, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

It really depends on which episode you found it, which would have to be from the current Anime-only arc for it to actually work. Arrancar109 23:16, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

There's a shot on the Youtube version I'm looking at now that may have potential. Whiteout background is a minus point, but it fits the rest. I'd add it myself, but I'm not too sure if I'd do everything in line with this new image policy. The vid should be located at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLVf3bcjFnA at 32 seconds in. If the admins have problem with YT, could someone get it from their own sources. Thanks a lot. TomServo101 23:24, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

While I do prefer the second picture, I do agree that we need an image from the ZUT arc. Maggosh 18:37, April 21, 2010 (UTC)