Forum:Ikkaku and Yumichika

I wonder if they are gonna smarten up sometime, and actually use their full powers.

Plus i wonder what will happen to/become of Ikkaku since he lost his fight with the low powered whale guy to protect the pillar. I hope that Tetsuzaemon Iba's talk actually got through and he can learn how to use his bankai when needed and use his actual power to beat people.

I also think that Yumichika is probably one of the most powerful of the lower shinigami, by far. And the potential he has is unbelievable. He can kill people by draining their Reiatsu, and once they die, or get seriously wounded, (depends on if he wants to kill them or not) he can heal to full power with not a single scratch or anything. After he killed the fruity flower guy, he absorbed some of his Reiatsu and healed his broken bones and everything. That has got to be the most powerful ability thus far, if he can only learn how to use it more often, and make it even stronger... he would probably be way beyond captain lvl. I definitely hope that somewhere in the story line, the whole squad 11 learns how to use their full potential no matter what, and gets over the whole idea that they have to make themselves weak and fight by limiting themselves. I hope it all changes because if not, they will stay way under their full fighting potential. At least Kenpachi uses his full power from time to time, and enjoys being pushed to that point, Yumichika and Ikkaku both hate going to their full power, which is kinda backwards. If they are truly mirroring Kenpachi and his fighting style, then they should believe that fighting at full power, and being in a fight that will push them to their limits, would be the most enjoyable way to fight. /shrug Bk1217 07:33, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

i don't agree with u, sorry... i think the unwriten code of the 11th divion, are to be melee swords mens, on Ikkaku not useing bankai would be that he is afaid of being fouced to be a captain due to 3 empty captain sits, and of couse he don't want to leave his own captain,so he don't like useing it in fount of others.

and Yumichika can't uses his own power becasue he would be breaking the code.--Ace 08:21, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

it seems like most of the captains already know about Ikkaku's bankai anyways, and probably the same amount know about Yumichika's shikai, i just wish they would use their full power during fights.Bk1217 08:47, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Everyone else gets it right with the reasons. Also no captains save komamura know of ikkaku's bankai and he acted like he didnt hear about it. And no one at all knows about Yumichika's shikai's true power. Salubri 11:25, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

cant remember who else do, but Hisagi knows at least ;P

oops, forgot. up there, me Firelake

Yeah Shuhei knows about Yumichikas Shikai. So at least one person knows about his Shikai, but i'm pretty sure Shuhei told some others. At least Izuru if not more Lieus & Caps. With such a power hidden & since Kenpachi & Squad 11 in general have no real dedication to the Soul Society & its rules, it would be smart to warn other officers about Yumichikas potential in case of another incident like what had happened before during the Rescue Rukia Arc. But overall I have to agree with BK, Ikkaku needs to stop holding back(Also I think Iba's talk did knock some sense into him). Ikkaku shouldn't care what others think or say. No one can physically force him to join another squad. Besides if hes so reluctant why should he be made a captain. I mean come on he'd be a terrible captain. He has no Kido skills, his Bankai isn't perfected, his only real devotion is to Kenpachi, Yumichika, & the rules of Squad 11, not to the soul Society, plus his reluctance would be a serious strain on the squad. Minato88 18:39, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Ok i know this is for speculation but whoever wrote that above Minato88 your absolutely wrong. Yes i forgot Shuhei knows what it is but you cant say that he told anyone about it as if that was a fact which it isn't. So it stands only 4 people sans those who have fought it know of his bankai. With Yumichika has only one person who knows of his. Regarding Ikkaku everyone has ways of fighting and how they do things. Now in all situations he may or may not use his power to its full potential as most captains dont go straight to bankai if they can help it, but in this situation against Po he should have and yes he needs to get over himself as good as he is he is no captain and doesn't possess captain potential. Truth be told we have yet to see anyone with the skill or personality to be a captain that isnt or wasnt one currently or previously. He should do what needs to be done, no one is pushing Renji to a captain position and he uses his bankai well enough as well as out in the open. Salubri 19:22, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

@ Salubri, that part above my article was mine as well. I know the part about Shuhei telling others is speculation. Still, its possible(though it obviously doesn't need to be added). In fact the only one who is even probable is Izuru, since they are good friends. Minato88 23:07, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

I think there are only two potential captains in the works. That Shuhie and Kira. Momo would be next in line but she is not emotionally ready. As for Yumi only one person is the SS knows his shikai and thats Shuhei. I only know of 3 people that knows Ikkaku has bankai and thats Renji,Yumi and Iba. Maybe Ichigo but im not sure. But back on topic. I think Shuhei and Kira are the closest to mastering their Zanpakuto and have the Kido talents to be captains.Tealang99 20:03, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

The Funny thing is people constantly say "only 2 people know about Ikkaku's Bankai" or "only one person knows about Yumichika's Shikai", i do know it is all speculation until they reveal it in either the manga or anime, but we are assuming the captains are blind to their surroundings. I love it how FINALLY someone lectured Ikkaku on being stupid and holding back, therefore losing a pillar to the enemy. (which screws over the entire group as a whole, let alone the fate of the world) The thing that opens my eyes to the fact that probably more people know about them then these two think know about them, is how quickly the lieutenant lectured Ikkaku about holding back. If he knows, and Kamamura even bluffed knowing by saying something is in his ears, it just proves that more people watch Ikkaku then he thinks, and know about his powers. I wouldn't be surprised to see that almost all captains know of the powers between Yumichika and Ikkaku.

now on the topic of captain promotions, last i checked, whoever is "worthy" of taking the Captain exam, or appointed by i think 3 captains, maybe more, OR killed the last captain, they can decline the offer. So there is no loss if Ikkaku and Yumichika show their power, because if they don't want to leave their division, they can decline. I believe this actually happened when either Shuhei or Kien Shiba, were offered a place as a captain due to their hard work. And whoever it was turned it down. might have been ikkaku? /shrug... i think i'd be repeating myself if i got into another rant about the power of these two Squad 11 members, and their potential. just read my first post on here =). but i swear they need to smarten up, and fight to their fullest. especially if it makes the difference between living or dying. (or completing a mission or failing miserably)... i end with THANK GOD Tetsuzaemon Iba FINALLY REAMED OUT IKKAKU!!! =) Bk1217 02:53, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

oh yeah another thing, if you believe that the arcs mean something (somehow put themselves somewhere in the storyline) like i do =), then you can see that Ikkaku's Zanpaktou (manifested form) uses his bankai to fight Ikkaku in Episode 237. Ichigo comes to Ikkaku's aid, but Ikkaku stops him saying its his fight. (Ichigo sees the bankai) Then Soi Fon shows up with Ukitake, and Shunsui oh and the squad 2 covert ops team. (about 15 more people seeing the bankai) so yeah, i like to think that the arcs are somehow part of the story, this means so far 4 captains, at least 3 Lieutenants, and Ichigo =) know Ikkaku's Bankai. So i still wonder why the hell he thinks that "noone knows, and he can keep it a secret".Bk1217 03:34, October 30, 2009 (UTC)