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The following are currently active topics that are still open and available for discussion. Twocents 21:03, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

How Aizen Mocks the Vizard
I read chapter 376 o two different websites,and on one of them,he called the Vizards "Pseudo Arrancarr". Can this be in place of Wannabe Arrancarrs?

Sting! TenRyuoh! 03:36, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Both imply fake. But it's a silly statement to make, seeing how real shinigami captains can pwn espada so easily. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 15:45, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Aizen: Cunning or Crazy?
Okay, i'm posting this forum to talk about Aizens impeccable strategic decisions(or lack there of). Early on in the series Aizen was one of my favorite characters(I am now ashamed to admit this). I found him interesting, powerful, & quite cunning. For me he just didn't seem like the typical villain. For the past 100+ years he has successfully tricked & manipulated the other Shinigami to serve his desires. At the beginning of the series he successfully laid traps for Toshiro, Momo, & Izuru which all were successful. he then defeated Renji, Ichigo, & Sajin & retrieved the Hogyoku, & had an escape plan just in case. In a rather short amount of time he had amassed a rather large & impressive amry of Arrancar & created 10 truly powerful arrancar known as the Espada. Within the past year we have watched as he has sat by & let his army literally be annihilated. When Ichigo(whom Aizen knows is quite powerful) & his group invade Hueco Mundo he sends some of his weakest men to take them down. After Dordoniis death he actually insults Ichigo saying he thought Ichigo could have killed Dordonii easier. What he should have done was have Tosen, Nnoitra, Grimmjow, & Ulquiorra Eliminate them as quickly as possible. Still Aaroneiro was the only espada lost to Ichigos gang. Then unexpectedly 4 captains come to rescue Ichigo & co. Instead sending the rest of the Espada to annihilate a significantly smaller force, he just stands by & lets 3 more Espada die & then congratulates the enemy for killing them(I mean WTF dude). Afterwards he claims to have anticipated this & traps them in Hueco Mundo while he takes his top 3 espada to fight with the stronger & more numeros Shinigami captains, including Yamamoto himself. During all this he does something I still can't figure out. He leaves Ulquiorra & Yammy behind to die. Why? We all know hes not planning to return to Hueco Mundo. He successfully trapped 4 captains & Ichigo's group in Hueco Mundo. I think we all know Aizen has the Hogyoku on him. Hes not stupid enough to leave it he most precious possession unguarded. I mean Aizen has let Tosen cut off Grimmjows arm, watched as Grimmjow killed Luppi, Killed Hallibel himself, & left Ulquiorra & Yammy to die(we all know Yammys a goner). I mean Yammy is outnumbered 3 to 1 right now, not counting Ichigo, Uryu & the 4 captains not far away. So far Aizen seems completely nuts & in my opinion has gambled away his only chance to kill Ichigo & his young & still inexperienced friends. Ichigo is reaching new plateaus of power & at this rate will become stronger then Aizen is. So what do u guys think is Aizen really cunning or just plain crazy? Minato88 21:30, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

First off, I hate how Ichigo is getting real strong real fast. It kind of pisses me off because in the latest chapter, it seems that Shinji is relying on Ichigo (I know that he's trying to get Hiyori fixed up ASAP). Ugh, sometimes I hate protagonists!

Both. It seems to me he is crazier now, unless he's managed to gather the Vasto Lorde. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 23:20, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, yeah, I agree. Everything seems really far fetched at this point. His strategy is nuts but if you stop and think about it a little, you can see some stuff. He scathered and trapped 4 captains and Ichigo's group in Hueco Mundo, managed to hurt and maybe incapacitate 2 captains (Soi Fon is in bad shape and so far Ukitake seems out of action) and probably all lieutenants but Kira (Hisagi was up only by his willforce, I suppose). Sure, we all thought that although he trapped some people in Hueco Mundo, he was still outnumbered greatly, especially when the Vizards arrived. But it seemed we were getting ahead of ourselves cause Hachi had to lose an arm to end Barragan (and apparently he's useless at kido without both hands), and Rose & Love weren't a match for Starrk and were struggling til Kyoraku interfered. Mashiro took some fine jabs to the face and Kensei had to release bankai to fight Wonderweiss. When Hiyori was cut in half and Shinji went for her, I thought Tousen was gonna pop out and bash him as well. It would've being 2 down then.. dunno what's gonna happen next but Shinji isn't concentrated, focused on the battle and everyone else is just afraid of approaching Aizen. If he does bring the Vasto Lordes.. things will turn hardcore.. Deimonos 23:26, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

I doubt he has Vasto Lordes in reserve, Aizen doesn't seem like the kind of leader (or maniacal genius) to dirty his hands when he has others to do it for him. And the Espada have taken a toll on the Gotei and Vizards, not as much as they were supposed to but nonetheless, the elimination of Hachi's healing powers was a strategic stroke of luck. I think now he's just going to be relying on his own powers. As for Shinji I doubt he'll be taken by surprise by something like that, Hiyori was just impatient and impulsive. I think it's come down to the boss fight finally but we have to go back to Hueco Mundo so that the main character can participate. Personally I like this, the story's no fun if the protagonist isn't capable of beating everyone and looking awesome at the same time :P BollyW 23:43, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

i can't wait till it gets back to hueco mundo,and maybe we'll get to see unohana's bankai(or shikai as i think what we'v seen is too big to be a shikai). and i can't say my self what aizen is doing with the espada.Soul reaper magnum 07:11, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

How Could Aizen be Beaten?
I started to think about ways to beat Aizen, and only 2 ways came up to my mind. Firstly, someone unaffected by Aizens shikai. That would mean that someone that haven't seen his shikai yet would beat him blindfolded or ofc someone born blind would kick his butt. I came up with another idea as well: If Aizen could be trapped somewhere. His shikai doesn't change the reality at all, just creates illusions. Therefore if someone could create impenetrable cage around him, he wouldn't be able to escape. Yamamoto's attack at the beginning of FKT was like this, but it could be made of anything that Aizen couldn't penetrate.

Can you think of any other ways to defeat Aizen? Akeki 17:52, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Well you would have to figure by now that everyone is well aware of what his zanpakuto is capable, also it the one thing he uses primarily and is literally his ace in the hole otherwise he wouldn't be able to do half of what he does. Such as demanding the the servitude of Barragan and so forth. It also begs the question if he had to use it against Hitsugaya and Komamura how dangerous is he really did he want to get it over quick or was he concerned that it would be tough to fight them in a fair fight. Who knows. In any case my point being that his saving grace is that zanpakuto, we all imagine what his bankai is but its really weird considering how powerful the shikai is why wouldnt he take everyone out from day one in the soul society arc, why such an elaborate plot spanning 100 years. We know Tosen is not affected by his shikai and id have to guess that the Gotei 13 and the Vizard must have a way of countering it by now the Vizard have had 100 years to come up with something and the Gotei 13 have had a few months. Im sure Mayuri, Urahara or someone had to come up with something. I figure take his zanpakuto out of the equation and he wont last much against the powers against him. The only two i fully remember him using it on and then deactivating the effect was captain Unohana and It. Kotetsu everyone else maybe still subject to his influence assuming everyone has seen it. Noticeably we never see him activate it even with Barragan he tells him to just look at it then he says the command and its shown what Tosen and Gin has done to his army. We see him use no command with facing either hitsugaya, komamura, or Harribel. There must be some apparent flaw if he didn't just take over. While it has absolute hypnosis via sight it obviously has no power over the blind. There is something where missing im not sure what it is.Salubri 18:15, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Thus far it seems to only true way to beat Aizen is with superior numbers, which the Shinigami & Vizards do have. At this point they need to focus on taking out Gin & Tosen as fast as possible & gang up on Aizen. In the pendulum arc we saw Shinji break throught at least one of Aizens hypnosis spells, so even though Aizen says it power is absolute this might be a bluff on his part. I agree with Salubri Kisuke & his group haven't been seen yet & i'm sure their up to something. As far as Aizens Zanpakuto it seems completely different from other Shinigami Zanpakuto we've seen. Everytime he calls out its release command Shatter it was already released & it actually seems like he is instead sealing it. Maybe he usually keeps it released so he can get the drop on his opponents. Who can say for sure, since we don't know just how strong he & Gin really are. Minato88 18:28, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

If his shikai allows him to deceive his enemies with illusions, the logical extension of his bankai is that, when activated, he can make his illusions reality, as in bending reality to his will. If that is the case, I don't know how someone is going to beat Aizen. --Shinitenshi 03:04, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

I doubt that his Bankai has such an ability. If it did, he could easily create de Oken or destroy the town withouth the Espadas. It's too extreme. About how to defeat him... well it's obvious! Old-Dragon-Shiryu-style! Poke Ichigo's eyes out of his head! Ok, just kidding. Unless making himself blind (Old-Dragon-Shiryu-style) I really can't think for a way to defeat him. Though this "absolute hypnosis" being activated after someone seeing his release is a bit inconsistent. I don't remember Ichigo ever seeing Kyoka Suigetsu's "Shatter" moment, maybe I just forgot, correct me if I'm wrong in that last one. Lia Schiffer 03:17, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

I think the key to defeating Aizen is knowledge. He commented that Unohana was able to detect subtle flaws with his "body" and commented to Shinji that if he got to know Aizen better then he would have noticed that there was something wrong with the Aizen that was following him around Seireitei for a month. So I think if you know, really know Aizen then you can see through his hypnosis. But since Kubo has said he is going to keep the past of Aizen mystery we are not going to have a Harry Potter and the half-blood prince sort of deal where Ichigo is told Aizen's past and thus begins to understand how Aizen thinks and using that knowledge defeats him. So I think it's going to come down to instinct. Ichigo has demonstrated he has a instinctive grasp of many things. So he might be able to defeat Aizen by relying on an ability outside his five senses. Of course that is assuming Ichigo is the one to defeat Aizen. It might be a team effort, especially if Kubo let's Aizen ascend to the thrown of heaven. But that might be a bit too video game-like. You know, the big final boss fight happens just when the main villain get's what he wants i.e. god-like power, but before he can fully master it and thus giving mere mortals a final shot at defeating him. Tinni 03:54, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

i think Aizen would get the power he wants, but he overlods his self when he use it.

No that notion wouldn't work Aizen cant win if the spirit king is defeated thats the end of existence even if they did defeat him in that scenario. Someone has to fill that role. There is obviously a reason the king exists and the role he plays is greater then we probably realize or even aizen is capable of realizing for that matter. The biggest weakness aizen has much like his espada is that he is extremely arrogant. He overestimates his skills and those who are under him and underestimates everyone else's power. He didn't think Ichigo would be a danger when he entered hueco mundo, he underestimates the danger the vizards pose. He acknowledge the cleverness of Urahara and even though Urahara makes the hogyoku, he still underestimates his understanding of his own creation or that he would even be able to use it. He figures with the four captains trapped he can take out the others and defeat the Gotei 13, yet what makes no sense is that if he is so powerful why didnt he do that from jump. I say kill gin and Tosen and see how long he can last by himself.Salubri 06:21, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Well I got to say, the recent chapters haven't done much for Aizen's "street creed". I mean I am not saying either Gin or Tosen acted out of character. Tosen is so devoted to Aizen that he would step in and try to take out Shinji when Shinji attacked Aizen. Gin seems to be doing everything for shits and giggles at the moment, which fits in with his sadistic personality but both him and Tosen stepping-in to "protect" Aizen really is making Aizen look... weak is not the right word but certainly Aizen's cool factor has been lowered somewhat, I feel. I really think it's high time Aizen pwned someone actually worth pwning because let's face it, Harribel was one the least impressive espada and I don't know about anyone else but when Aizen took her out I was like "o thank god! We don't have to watch fight anymore". Tinni 11:17, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Kisuke and Aizen
i was thinking that maybe aizen is from the soul kings dimension and that urahara was sent to watch him and try to stop him if he did anything. what do you think?Soul reaper magnum 14:00, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

No. Ergroilnin 15:47, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

guess that was a little much. still i wonder how kisuke knows all that he does.Soul reaper magnum 16:55, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

What exactly does he know that's such an issue.Salubri 17:48, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

srry, guess this wasn't the best idea i'v had.Soul reaper magnum 22:53, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

How Did Aizen Get So Strong?
OK, so I've been wondering this for a while, and now that I've gone through the Turn Back the Pendulum arc it's the biggest mystery to me right now. Think about it, what did he do that made him so much more powerful, unless it is somehow related to his zanpakto's ability and everyone is "hypnotized" to believe he's that strong. Or is it even a case that maybe the Aizen we see isn't the real Aizen? Still so much mystery...--Ihaveaname 17:50, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

His true age is unknown. Perhaps he's simply been training up his strength for a very long time. ZeroSD 18:31, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Do villains ever just train? There's got to be some secert. --Ihaveaname 21:18, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Aizen had been a shinigami captain prior to his defection to becoming the leader of the arrancar; this would mean that he would've have to obtained his bankai as well possess a reasonable level of skill in shunpo, kido, swordplay and hand to hand combat; he did state himself that he was at the peak of these areas. He was shown to the be captain of the 5th when Renji, Rukia, and Izuru were still in the academy and 110 years ago it's lieutenant under Shinji. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that Aizen was probably training himself before he become a lieutenant and time before he became captain as well as probably formulating his plans regarding the Hogoku since he does like to think long term.Spacedone 01:31, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

That's what I pointed out once in another thread. When you have characters that are so old, comparing one to another is inevitable. You get senior captains like Unohana, Ukitake, Kyoraku and Yama-ji with their 2000+ years and you just wonder how could Aizen do so much damage since he's clearly younger than them.. So unless Aizen had been using his illusions to lay low for centuries or even a couple of millenniums til his face off with Urahara and Tessai, everything seems just too far fetched and beyong plausible explanation.. Take Ichigo, for an example. His bout with Byakuya ended in a draw. Ok, Byakuya probably evolved a bit but not as much as Ichigo. I'm not sure if masked Ichigo could bash Byakuya to oblivion but his chest hollowed weird transformation form thing.. I assume that one could obliterate Byakuya in no time. And all of that by a 15-16 who's got Shinigami powers in less than a year against a full fledged Shinigami who's 100+ times older than him, maybe more.. Basically, reasonable and plausible explanations do not fit in this anime.. Deimonos 03:17, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Aizen himself said that Shinigami abilities max-out after a certain point. I would bet that Aizen held back on his skills, not becoming a Captain until he was ready to put his plan into place and he was good enough with his shikai to hypnotize everyone, but he doesn't need Kyoraku/Unohana/etc.'s time because they pretty much maxed out a very long time ago, in every area they worked to. Byakuya's younger still and he's pretty good in almost everything. Between some holding back in front of others and pressing hard in real training, and natural genius... I could see it. ZeroSD 03:28, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * We do know that amongst captains themselves they vary in power compared to each other, how that power is measured is hard to say since we only have statements made by the captains themselves or the battles they have taken part in to serve as reference. Yamamoto is the strongest given his age and related experience to the others as well founding the academy and personally training Ukitake and Shunsui stating they were stronger than any captain past or present. Unohana's probably pretty strong herself being one of the older captains though we have yet to see her fight. Zaraki is one strongest in terms of raw combat power despite not using kido or shunpo, but the 11th specializes in melee combat anyway. Love was shown to have faced off against a Hollowfied Kensei without releasing his shikai, no small feat since the hollow mask boost the strength and speed of the user.Spacedone 06:17, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps he's like Hitsugaya and Ichigo; he naturally progresses quickly... and he's a lot older than those two as well. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 17:27, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Were the other Captains fully aware of Aizen's abilities? I'm not talking about Kyouka Suigetsu, since they thought it was a running water-type zanpakutou. I'm talking about his other skills.
 * 110 years ago, Shinji did suspect Aizen was up to something though it wasn't exactly explained nor do we know if Shinji was aware of all of Aizen's abilities. While Shinji made Aizen his lieutenant to watch him, he also kept him at a distance so he didn't know him that well. Still, he had to have some inkling of Aizen's abilities in order request him as his lieutenant since there are probably other prerequisites for becoming one aside from knowing shikai.Spacedone 07:41, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

No they were not because if they were aware of it, they wouldn't be so surprised about his immesense power. (For example, 1 shotting Toushiro in Bankai, 1 shotting Komamura with Black coffin without incantation, stopping Tessai's kido by lower kido without incantation 101 years ago as a lieutenant etc.) Ergroilnin 06:45, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Aizen falls under the age group of these captains/former captains excluding the Vizard (You could probably assume that 5 of the 8 Vizard (Excluding Ichigo) Are in the same age bracket. And the ones left are Hachi, Hiyori and Mashiro

In human years they are probably roughly in there Mid 30s to early 40s Sajin Komamura Kaname Tōsen Kisuke Urahara Yoruichi Shihōin Kenpachi Zaraki Mayuri Kurotsuchi

The only person in this group that is well rounded in all aspects of combat other than Aizen is Kisuke Urahara. So I guess they progressed far greater than the others for various reasons.Heruga59 05:55, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Possibly Yoruichi too- she's good at HtH and Kido and speed (*the best* at speed), and we haven't seen her with a sword so she could be great there too.

Age is hard to judge in soul society, though, and throw in illusion powers on top...ZeroSD 06:58, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

EXACTLY!!!!--Ihaveaname 04:25, September 16, 2009 (UTC)