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Is Grimmjow Dead?
Yes, I know, we've gone through these a trillion zillion of times (does that number even exist?) Anyway, I just thought of Ichigo's words on the latest chapter (379), and it gave me this horrible feeling that Grimmjow is dead. It might have been just me, though, but he said "even is all of his comrades are dead, I feel like Inoue looks sadder about it" or something like that, and he mentioned it when Yammy said that Ulqui, Grimm and Nnoitra were trash compared to him. It's just a thought, I'd like to know your opinions on the matter Lia Schiffer 02:22, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

I too, think that Grimmjow is dead as well. We haven't heard from him ever since Nnoitra dispatched him. And that was like 100 chapters ago from the manga.Gold3263301 04:16, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

I think they should have just killed him off when Nnoitra smoked him with his weapon. If he had just died there, instead of the need for him to say "Nnoitra.." there wouldnt of been any speculation in the first place. The only reason I saw him staying alive was long enough for Nnoitra to make fun of him for being bailed out by Ichigo, which seems to have been the case. "What the hell is this shit Grimmjow? Huh?" - priceless. KamikazeNewf 04:29, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Well the last time we saw Grimmjow he was breathing. Not saying that means he is still alive but since then we have had no update on his status. Clearly if everybody leaves Heuco Mundo without us seeing Gimmjow ever again we can safely conclude he's dead or at the very least exited the manga stage left. But until then, until Heuco Mundo is over and one with, I am going to keep a look out for Grimmjow. Tinni 04:34, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo said he doesn't regret defeating anyone he's fought, but at the same time, he has shown that he doesn't like it when people mistreat their allies, even if they are his enemies. Additionally, I don't think he would have protected Grimmjow if he didn't feel this way (nor if he felt okay with him dying from it). And yes, Tinni is right, we did see him breathing last time he was shown, but like Tinni said, once Hueco Mundo is over and we don't see a trace of Grimmjow, then we can assume we won't see him again. If we do see him die, or if a character who is smarter than Yammy verbally confirms his death, then I'll take that. Arrancar109 04:43, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

it's a very small chance but it is possible that TK will add a twist and grimmjow will reappear in a later arc(just a thought).Soul reaper magnum 08:18, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

I am putting my money on Grimmjow being alive; I bet TK's just biding his time before something interesting happens--Captain Brooks 18:24, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

I believe Grimmjow is alive as well, but I can't confirm it. I mean, he got hit pretty hard. But anyway, assuming he's alive, we probably won't seem again, or if we do, not for a long while in the main series. Also assuming he's alive, he's probably going to be true to his Zanpakuto's namesake (panther) and be "licking his wounds" and waiting to rise again "beastlier" than ever. People who come back later tend to be somewhat stronger than they were when they first appeared, don't they? But I don't think Grimmjow will come up again for a while.

Also, Yammy never said Ichigo killed Grimmjow. He just called him a piece of trash. He should really look at who's talking, if you ask me. Aeron Solo (talk) 01:36, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

What Ever Happened to Grimmjow?
Whatever happened to Grimmjow? The last we ever saw of him was after Nnoitra insulted him for being saved by Ichigo. Will he ever come back? Orochidayu 20:06, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Hard to say. He got hit by Nnoitra pretty hard while already being badly beat up, he may be dead. ZeroSD 23:40, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Who knows? All we know at this point Ichigo defeated Grimmjow, not killed him then saved from an attack by Nnoitora. Until the story swings back to Hueco Mundo since Ichigo and company still have to figure out a way to leave then we won't know for sure.Spacedone 23:40, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

My suspicion is that Grimmjow is still alive if for no other reason than to provide Ichigo and the gang a way out of Hueco Mundo. Seeing as he is an Arancar, it is likely that he will have the best chance out of anyone left to open a Garganta back to Karakura Town. By the end of his fight with Ichigo, he did seem to have gained a sort of "loser's respect" for Ichigo as the better combatant and wanted to continue the fight. Yukikosakura 06:20, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

As he was protected by Ichigo before Noitra gave him the "coup de grace", it is certain that he is still alive.Ace of Spade 06:34, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Then again, it might be Mayuri that figures out how to get them out of Hueco Mundo. Looking at his past actions particularly his fight with Syazael, he prefers to analyze his opponent then formulate suitable counters for them. Being the head of the Research and Development Institute, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think he had some project involving Hueco Mundo since he likes interesting subjects.Spacedone 01:45, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

I dont see Grimmjow opening a garganta and sending them back home. That seems like Kurotsuchis job to me. I find myself wondering what reason Grimmjow would ever have to show back up again. The only thing I could think of was that, we still dont really know what Aizen did to Orihime. Grimmjow was the one who brought it up in the first place by saying "I bet you didnt even wonder what was going on inside of her." He needs to show back up and explain these things to me.

Grimmjow will help them get back to the world of the living. Despite his less than moral actions, Grimmjow pays his debts, like when he saved Orihime from Loly and Menoly because she restored his arm. He hates owing anyone anything, even his enemies. Opening the gate will be his way of paying back Ichigo for saving him from being killed by Nnoitra. He still hates him, but can't stand owing him for anything. Plain and simple.--Moe1216 04:17, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

After Nnoitra took the mic, Grimmjow was just shoved into the bench, the same way Ikkaku disappeared after Komamura killed Po. The lieutenants were struggling against Allon and the bald dude was taking a nap or something.. maybe playing poker with Grimmjow, who knows... Deimonos 23:52, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

I believe Grimmjow is still alive. I hope he comes back to take on Kaname Tosen as we have seen how much love is between the two of them. Will be a good fight I think. I 6shot FTP 11:41, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

if i remember wasn't there something that distracted ichigo when he was about to go into the garganta? maybe that was grimmjow walking up.Soul reaper magnum 13:59, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

I hate to say this, but as much as I love Grimmjow, I kinda lost my hopes. Grimmjow's comeback time was to open the Garganta for Ichigo. That's what most of us were expecting. You know, something like Ichi all desperate to go back and then Grimmy comes and opens the thingy and says "I owe you nothin' now. Fuck off before I change my mind. And I'll kill you next time we meet", or something like that. Now that Ichigo's already on his way to Karakura, what is there left for Grimmjow to do? He ain't gonna help Byakuya and Kenpachi against Yammy, he has no debts with them. And I seriously doubt that he'll go to Karakura to fight Aizen, in the classical "bad turning good" moment in which the bad guy sacrifices himself so that the good guy can save the day. That would be pretty stupid if you ask me. Lia Schiffer 10:01, November 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * It always amuses me that people actually expected Gimmjow or any espada to switch sides. I mean seriously, what in Bleach supports the idea that the bad guys are going to be anything but bad? And don't bring up the Gotei 13 and Soul Society because they were never "bad". They were upholding their laws and whether you agree with what their laws say or not, you can't call them evil for just trying to uphold the law. On the other hand Gimmjow is nothing but a destructive force. He has a code of honour sure but so do thieves and murders. That doesn't mean anything. Grimmjow was never going to switch sides. It was just fan delusion. That being said I still think there is scope for Grimmjow to show-up but how and in what capacity we will have to wait and see. Tinni 10:29, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't expect Grimmjow to change sides or anything however I can see him taking on Kaname Tosen. Plus Grimmjow has a close personality to Kenpachi which makes me think that Grimmjow would love to have a re-match against Ichigo just like Kenpachi. Would make for interesting reading/watching as by the looks of it most have given up on the idea of a Grimmjow return. I 6shot FTP 10:43, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Grimmjow always wanted to be king. As the sole surviving Espada in Hueco Mundo that certainly gives him a golden opportunity to build his own Hollow kingdom (assuming he survives). I could see such a thing playing a part in future Bleach chapters even if its only in passing. Great Cthulhu 09:36, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

ya, and as i'v said before it'd be neat if he ends up helping ichigo with something.i think that it would be cool if he sticks around for awhile(like koga probable would have if he wasn't part of a filler arc)if he is still alive.Soul reaper magnum 16:04, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

What Happens Now?
Assuming!!! That Grimmjow Isn't Dead, And That He Somehow Miraculously Recovers from His Injuries, Is It Safe To Say That He Will Rejoin The Fight????? Rahllo666 05:48, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so. Grimmjow had his moment and now the story has moved on. The Arrancar are done. Great Cthulhu 12:02, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I thought it'd be great if he came back, and defied Aizen, and joined Ichigo. The same thing happened with Renji, didn't it?

I used to think the exact same thing. Of course, now I know it isn't going to be of any use. Tell me, if Grimmjow was defeated by Ichigo and if you consider Ichigo's growth from then, you'll find that Grimmjow's much lower on the scale now. He'd just be a liability on the battlefield. But he's still me second fav Espada after Ulquiorra and just ahead of Starrk. BlazeUchiha

Here's my opinion, I believe that if he did return...considering the amount of time that has passed since his downfall, that he possibly worked himself into getting stronger (which will be displayed in a flashback, by my guess) and possibly adopting a second Resurreccion form similar to Ulquirra's. If he does become stronger, his defection could prove beneficial to the fight...

Considering his attitude and personality most resembles Ichigo, from what we've seen of his determination...he most likely also shares on in the "Cheating Death" ability that Ichigo has. While his first two fights left him increasingly more damaged (at least externally), the last one left him pretty messed up...but he still came up to try and stand to fight again, just like Ichigo (he doesn't want to give in). And Ichigo has had a lot worse than Grimmjow when it comes to what we last saw of him, multiple times through...what would have killed or crippled somebody for life is only a temporary disadvantage for Ichigo. I just home that Grimm can cheat death too...I personally feel like some of the Espada were wasted characters with greater potential, getting killed off too soon.


 * Amusing but completely implausible. It has only been a few hours, half a day at most, in "in-manga time" since Ichigo and Grimmjow fought. Unless someone healed him, it is highly unlikely Grimmjow even recovered from his wound, let along developed new power. Also, Ichigo has a the "cheating death" ability because he's the main character. Grimmjow and the Espada are minor characters who have surveyed their purpose. It is time for their fans to let them go. Tinni   (Talk)  04:24, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

I guess you're right when it comes down to it...I should learn to accept it, though comparing them to the Bount here (as they are a filler arc created simply for the anime), the Arrancar ARE finished...the only reason they'd continue is with a new group of Espada containing the Vasto Lordes. =D Goodbye Grimmjow...I at least wish they had shown him or other characters reacting in a way to show he's dead.

I am not getting dragged into another "Vasto Lordes" debate. I am just going to point out that Grimmjow is in fact not dead and even if he was dead, all the characters have had other things on their mind since Ichigo defeated him to even remember Grimmjow, let alone check whether he's alive. At most, you can expect Orihime to check up on Grimmjow and Nel because she's pretty much the only person left in Heuco Mundo who gives a damn about any of the arrancar. But even she is likely to have other concerns like Yammy or rather, the shinigami fighting Yammy. Face it, no one gives a damn what happens to hollows/arrancar except Ichigo and Orihime and even they have a ton of people they have to worry about before they have time to worry about hollows/arrancar. Tinni  (Talk)  05:28, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Also, please remember to sign your posts using the four tildas. Tinni  (Talk)  05:28, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Gotcha this time, I'll keep Vasto Lordes out of the picture...I'm focusing now on Grimmjow's actions if he were still alive. The man's focus is to be a King and never to lose to anyone who "looks down" on him. Though considering the short amount of time that has passed, perhaps he was healed again (I say this because he did recieve some healing before his fight with Ichigo) and has put his mind to use. I'm sure he still wants to defeat Ichigo, but based on his facial expressions whenever he lost the fight and then when Ichigo told him that he'd be ready to fight whenever Grimmjow wanted...makes me believe he'll hold off on fighting him until later (his facial expression just before Ichigo landed the last attack was that of someone who heard everything Ichigo fought for and maybe he started to regret his own disconcern for his Fraccion. The other facial expression was perhaps his conscience telling him to just let this fight go, leaving it for another time...however his pride wouldn't allow that and that's why he tried to attack again.).

With the Espada gone, I'm sure the rest of Huenco Mundo knows of this, perhaps feeling that Aizen was truely just using them from the beginning. They were attracted to him because he showed no fear, but perhaps they're starting to feel rebellious towards their "God" of sorts? Everybody needs a leader, why not premote the final Espada (Yammy's probably on his way to death as it is) to lead the Hollows in this revolt? Grimmjow can show to them maybe not a completely fearless approach, but perhaps a sense of rationality will kick in that will at least show them that following Aizen will make them pawns to die as his shields.

Perhaps as Ichigo continues his fight with Gin and Isshin/Urahara fight with Aizen...a rather large garganta opens to reveal a massive amount of hollows, with the shadowy figure of Grimmjow standing before them (possibly aided with Orihime, Uryu and Nel, I say this as perhaps as a temporary true they were to be untouched). Where this battle could go from there I don't know, but I'd certainly like to see Grimmjow take an active role in an uprising. Just speculation of course...TVthePunisher 08:36, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

-- I'm of the opinion that Grimmjow's fate was deliberately left obscure by Kubo so that he could use him in some future story. From this point on Grimmjow is a free agent (presumably Aizen will be killed soon). He is aggressive, powerful, and has a personal score to settle with Ichigo and friends. Out of all of the characters in Bleach Grimmjow is the most perfectly suited as a nemesis for Ichigo. Every other suitable candidate is either dead or moved on.

With Aizen gone I'm sure the situation in Hueco Mundo will become unstable very quickly. Thats probably not unusual as hollows rise and fall in power. As TVthePunisher notes this is a perfect time for somebody like Grimmjow to carve out his own kingdom. I don't think hollows give a rat's butt about who leads as long as he is savage & powerful. A hollow like Barragan or a soul reaper like Aizen...it makes no difference to hollows. The strong always use the weak like pawns. Thats the way Hollows work. BUT...this does give Grimmjow an excellent power base to work with in future stories.

Maybe Grimmjow's defeat is making him see things in a different light. Its not unheard of. Both Nel and Starrk are not what I would call horrible people. We might get a redemption arc as Grimmjow faces Ichigo and eventually realizes the folly of his ways. I don't know if that will ever equate to being a member of Team Ichigo...Grimmjow is still a very bad man.. But it might lead him to a more positive role in the world. Great Cthulhu 22:40, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Iirc, Grimmjow's aspect of death is "Destruction." The very reason he lives is for battle and destruction. On top of that, he is not the type to ponder deep mysteries of life either. He is not unlike Kenpachi in this aspect. He could certainly form an army, in theory, though they're more likely to just be the type that follow him, rather than him gathering them up. As far as becoming an ally, I doubt it could ever be more than something like Kenpachi's situation; just there for the fighting. You'd be hard pressed to keep Yamamoto from offing him, though. Ratiqu 00:57, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Grimmjow's Hakusui
Grimmjow's "hollow" is where is hakusui should be. So why is he so strong? Ishida commented how Arrancar, Hollow, and Shinigami should have similar soul structures after piercing Cirucci Thunderwitch's saketsu, and we see that she clearly loses power.

Is Grimmjow a Vasto Lorde?
I think that Grimmjow is a Vasto Lorde because when Arrancar release his zanpakuto he looks like he looked before becoming an arrancar right? And as we all know, Grimmjow looked like a panther as Adjuchas. But when he released his zanpakuto in fight with Kurosaki, he looked more humanoid. So perhaps he really is a Vasto Lorde class. - Ergroilnin

No, he has been proven to be an adjuchas, and if he was really a vasto lorde, he would be higher in rank.

--- It is possible he advanced to VL before becoming an Espada, but he may have simply gained humanoid form because he was such a powerful adjuchas before, so he may, instead of being a true VL, simply have strength of a non-arrancar VL. So it's speculative. ZeroSD 07:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

By your logic, Grimmjows entire Fraccion would have been Vasto lordes. Grimmjow was an Adjuchas. That's a fact.--Suzumushi 12:44, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Grimmjow's fraccion's releases looked just like their adjuchas forms and didn't get any more humanoid in the switch while Grimmjow's release changed from non-humanoid to humanoid, the only one to make that change in released. Last time we saw him in a flashback in adjuchas form he was about to chow down on pieces a half-dozen powerful adjuchas too (his fraccion). I mean, it could simply because he was such a powerful adjuchas that he upgraded his form when he removed his mask and he's just pretty much the peak of adjuchas, but there was a form change and a time gap. Like I said, purely speculative. Or to put it another way, it's not *completely* impossible for him to be one, unlike, say, clam-release or tree-release Espada. ZeroSD 00:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Grimmjow was an Adjuches class Menos. He said he had never evolved into a Vasto Lordes. The panther form he had was his Adjuches form. If he were a Vasto Lordes, he would have had a humanoid shape. My example: Tia Halibel. She had a humanoid shape as a Hollow, which is typical of the Vasto Lordes. Grimmjow was a panther.

If Grimmjow is alive will he help out against the fight with Yammy?
If Grimmjow is alive will he help out against the fight with Yammy?--Jwill35 10:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I think that if Grimmjow is alive he would help out because of is dilike of Aizen and he repects Ichigo to a point. Also lookin at the situation in hueco mundo Ichigo n company will need all the help the can get bein that yammy is num 0. Plus since Ichigo is banged up from his fight wit Ulquiora he wont be any help unless Orihime heals and even then what will he do against yammy if he couldnt beat Ulquiora without turning fully hollow.Thats my opinion.--Jwill35 10:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

ii think grimjow would help them because he dosent like to be chained up like he's kept on a leash how aizen treats him and plus since another fellow espada turned on him and managed to put him in death like state -Hitsugaya3194

I think its obvious people have Grimmjaw confused with some rational and forgiving. Since his appearance he has been about destruction for its own sake he cares about nothing more then doing what he wants. There is nothing to note that he dislikes Aizen, Grimmjaw is arrogant and disrespectful which something he has in common with most Espada and arrancar, so if aizen didnt keep him in line he would do what he wanted. In fact he fears Aizen and has shown no reason to want to go against him. In fact Aizen on his part has either forgiven or overlooked the things he has done. Regardless of what Grimmjaw does Aizen finds him necessary. He forgave his initial attack on karakura town, coming up with a excuse for his behavior. He personally allowed Grimmjaw to go the second time and upon return to kill luppi and take back his position. He argued woth Grimmjaw who wanted to fight Ichigo when he entered Hueco Mundo, but did nothing to stop him later. So Grimmjaw has far more free reign then one gives him credit for and Aizen allows him to do what he wants for the most part, but within the parameters of his plans. He only respects ichigo as someone to fight, he doesn't want to hold hands and be freinds there is no personality for him doing that, every instance they are together it becomes a fight, he has orihime heal him so they continue to fight. Its all about overpowering people showing them his power, he is not nel. Its speculative to assume they will need all the power they can get because Yammy is number cero. We dont entirely know what that means yet. If he hates anyone its Tosen and Ulquiorra. The excuse that another espada turned on him isn't valid either. Have we forgot thats what espada do, their oranization changes based on that. Either your strong and smart enough to watch your own back and keep your position or you get taken out. It happened to Nel, he did it to luppi. Nnorita would be known for it so he was taking advantage of the opportunity. Grimmjaw would do the same to him if given the chance. If anthing Grimmjaw while heal up just to continue what Ichigo refused to finish. His death aspect is destruction. Its who he is, he has not changed from his origins up to this point.Salubri 09:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Powerful argument Salubri. I myself believe that Grimmjow would continue where he left off, but I also wonder about another possibility. Remember when he saved Orihime from Loly and Menoly? He claimed it was because he owed her for returning his arm. It's possible that Grimmjow pays back debts, or in reflection of his personality, hates to owe someone. My guess is that to pay Ichigo back for saving his life, he will do one or more of three things: 1. Reveal Yammy's weakness 2. Fight against Yammy, or 3. Open a garganta so that they can escape Hueco Mundo and let Grimmjow stay and grow stronger so he can fight Ichigo in the future.It's just a guess--Moe1216 14:28, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Good point If anything out of those options he might pick number 3. Number 1 wouldn't seem likely as if its a survival of the fittest type of situation that the Espada live by then that they would know each others weakness. The 2nd one idk it would seem if it doesn't benefit him he wont attack yammy, especially if yammy is really at the high level he claims. But three seems like a grimmjaw thing he would be repaying the debt and benefiting himself at the same time.Salubri 14:43, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

That's the one I was leaning toward as well. Who likes to owe their life to their greatest enemy? Also, Salubri, quick question. Why is the statement "Arracnar Diez Yammy" used as some kind of hint to the 0 rank? Grimmjow said "Arrancar number 6" he first met Ichigo and Rukia.--Moe1216 15:11, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

We have an answer - Grimmjow did not help out against Yammy. Byakuya and Zaraki beat him. 23:02, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Is Grimmjow Dead? (V.58)
I'm wondering if Grimmjow is dead? The last we see of him, he is seriously injured but he isn't shown being killed by Nnoitra and is saved by Ichigo but we never hear from him again, so is he dead?--Darth Malice the Destroyer (talk) 23:47, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Grimmjow's status is unknown. As such, there is no reason to keep this discussion open. I am closing it so that we do not get a big status war again.--God (Pray)  23:54, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Status in story line
With Ichigo having lost his spiritual powers, I think Grimmjow along with Nel are being kept out of the story. At least until Ichigo somehow gets his powers back or something of the sort because one would think either of those two arrancar would come looking for him after a whole year in a half.Hockey Machete (talk) 02:56, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Alright let us put this to rest once and for all. Grimmjow and Nel are not coming for Ichigo because THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN THE STORY. The Arrancar arc is over. Nel and Grimmjow serve no purpose now. They will not reappear in the story until Kubo decides he has use for them. Also, I had heard Kubo confirmed that Grimmjow was dead in an interview but I cannot verify this.--God (Pray)  03:00, January 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, what Kubo said was that Grimmjow was meant to die earlier but when Kubo sketched out his death fight, he didn't get any feeling except "now he's dead", so he kept Grimmjow around for longer. So Kubo didn't explicitly say that everybody's favorite panther king was now dead but taking his words in context, there is a strong implication that Grimmjow is dead. Still, Mayuri seems to be a regular visitor to Heuco Mundo now - so about the time the Shinigami return to the story, we might find out what happened to Grimmjow, Nel and even Loly and Menoly. Tinni   (Talk)  03:20, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, that makes perfect sense.--Hockey Machete (talk) 03:15, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, that makes perfect sense.--Hockey Machete (talk) 03:15, January 2, 2011 (UTC)