Forum:Will There ever be replacements?

Ok I know that their in the middle of battle or war or what have you but will their ever be replacement Captains for the 3rd, 5th, and 9th divisions. I mean its been stated that the true power of soul society lies in the captains. but their short 3 of 13 you would think they would try to fill those positions as soon as possible. I mean when Amagai filled the 3rd position i was like cool a new captain but then i remembered he isnt gonna last this is a filler. On top of that how many years has gone by and Ukitake still hasnt got a lieutenant yet, i mean really we all mourn kaien even though we only know him from flashbacks but this is getting ridiculous, if Byakuya would stop worrying about his sister being placed in dangerous situations (which considering what she has been through recently couldnt be any worse) Rukia could easily be placed in that well deserved position. Instigator545 19:03, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Major changes
I think that Gotei 13 will experience major changes, as Aizen wants to meet the king of Soul Society. We know that captains move to the royal guard (Hikifune), but we hardly even know anyhting about the king or the royal guard. The structure of Soul Society is also very strange, as Central 46 is mercyless (and dead by now :P). They decided to kill Rukia, they tried to kill the vizards, who were once captains, and they didn't care about Urahara and Tessai, even though they tried to rescue their friends. Even though Aizen deceived them, I think he knew, that they would act this way and used this mercyless feudal state. We also know that Seireitei does not care for Runkongais poor districts and they threw the Shiba Clan out of the noble houses. In the Turn Back Pendulum, Urahara states, that a member of Gotei 13 is not allowed to leave and those who want to, are imprisoned without further interest. They say, that those would harm Seireitei. I wonder if Aizen really is the bad guy here or if he just tries to change things in Soul Society to make it a better place. Also Gin says, that he is glad to see Kira doing so well and Tousen has a high sense for justice. I also think that Arrancar aren't that bad. (Ulquiorra getting a heart, Stark hating fights, Halibel and Neliel caring for their Fracción, Dondo Chakka, Pesche etc.)Soul Society has a clear Black/White view on Hollow.

Therefore I think, before there are new replacements, Soul Society changes in some ways, so that Bleach might be over, after the Soul Society experienced a revolution (even though General-Commander Yamamoto will never ever accept that, for him being one of the founders and I can imagine that he might be killed by Aizen, Gin and Tousen together in the end).

But your right, Rukia might become vice-vaptain of the 13th squad. About new captains: we don't have anyone who might even be captains class, except Ikkaku and Renji and both of them still lack experience concering Bankai. (Hitsugaya too, but he is a genius and is known to have the potencial power, having the strongest ice type zanpakuto.) Many people also forget about the kido corp. They don't have a captain and vice-captain and that for a 100 years since Tessai went with Urahara. Every other captain got replaced, but we never got to see replacements for Tessai or Hachigen.--Aefilion 21:12, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Well theres alot we dont know about the Kido Corps but we also dont know if they have replaced their captain and lieutenant because we have not seen it yet. Also Captains can come from recommendation for those already in the Gotei 13 not necessarily Renji or Ikkaku. As far as your theory it seems highly unlikely while I agree the central 46 chambers seem to be very unfair or disrespectful to a beings rights to even defend themselves or prove their innocence. There are things missing. We dont even know why the shiba clan lost there status, no mention is even made about, its apparently not that big of a deal. The Dentention thing is messed up but as was shown some of the guys (and knowning mayuri) should have been in there, as well as it really doesnt make since to become a shinigami and then decided to quite. As having someone powerful like that running around can cause another Aizen situation. Aizen is without question the bad guy, his personality is clearly one of manipulation and cruelty. Aizen wants to be all powerful he doesnt care about making anything better cause he could have achieved as much as a captain plus he all but states that several times, and there are easier ways to bring about better change, when has a good guy killed everyone to achieve his ends. he used and killed whoever he wanted to achieve his ends and even has Tosen believing his way will lead to justice.

While Soul Society is no more perfect then the real world its heaven but a heaven based on the real world, so personalities are no better there then in the real world. Theyre not necessarily there to make everything perfect. theyre just there to control the flow of souls and make sure pluses get soul burials. The whole concept is a cycle of rebirth you die in the real world and are reborn in soul society and then die in soul society and are reborn in the real world. The Shinigami are a part of the cycle theyre a fundamental of the balance of the universe. Hollows arent apart of the cycle they disrupt it. The Hollow question isnt black and white if you look at it, but the reality hollows are corrupted souls. whats more evil then feeding on the souls of living or deceased humans. The shinigami dont even truly kill them, when they destroy them with the zanpakuto it cleanses them of the sins they committed as a hollow so they can be reborn into soul society and become part of the cycle again, unless they also committed horrible sins as a human then they go to hell.

As for the arrancar they for one follow Aizen and for two are hollows at their core. Ulquiorra begins to understand humans at the last minute, Stark is just lazy and halibel cares about her faccion but theryre also arrancar (no more caring then when the adjuhcus menos were for each other when they were still hollows before becoming arrancar faccion to grimmjow when he was a hollow). But in any case that doesnt count as good, what have they done to prove that. Neliel is really the only redeeming Arrancar who doesnt follow the same guidelines of a hollow mentality.

They cannot do what shinigami do they are hollows at their core they cant perform soul burial or wouldnt want to and they wont stop hollows from attacking humans. It makes no sense at all its the same concept behind why the quincy got wiped out, theyre methods kill hollows entirely not reintroduce them to the cycle of rebirth, they were disrupting the balance. Your theory would mean the end of existence and therefore the end of the series. Salubri 01:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I would say I agree with Salubri there i mean your entitled to have a theory. But yea it would be the end of bleach. A hollow or even an arrancar cant do a shinigami's job nor would they want to. I mean i love Nelial but the other ones they dont seem like they have any other duty but to follow Aizen also they are disgusted by humans for what Halibel thinks they are all about hollows and arrancar. While it might not be the fault of the spirits who become hollows at the point when they do its not a question if they are danger to living and deceased souls. Aizen cant be anything but evil but if you think otherwise then he must be really good at manipulation cause its kinda what happened to Momo where she just couldnt conceive that he was a bad guy even after he ran her through with his own sword. Soul Society isnt perfect but it is what is just like the real world. What better way to describe reincarnation then to have the world you are reborn into in the afterlife that is similar to the world you left behind. No place is perfect is what its saying why should soul society be any better then the way the real world is run lol. NeoArrancar 01:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually...Arranchar are Hollows that gain Shinigami powers right? So basically once you turn into an Arranchar you are cut out of the feeding process, neglecting the 9th Espada. So in the process wouldn't they gain Soul Burial abilities as well as Kido and all the other powers? Just because they haven't shown them doesn't mean they can't. I mean they are basically Vizards and Vizards have shown the ability to do both so....whos to say Arranchar can't do that? Zenpaki 02:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

They actually gain shinigami-like powers not the actual thing (sonido is not shunpo, resureccion is not shikai or bankai). They may not need to feed on souls but they are at the core still hollows they even admit that. Also their zanpakuto is not an actual zanpakuto only in sense that they can seal their true powers and release it, thats all its for. They dont possesses Kido or soul burial as wouldnt they have likely used it at least once we wont see it cause they cant use it, especially being that they require being taught to even do. They are still hollows but with the ability to maintain a humanoid form and seal their powers away in their version of a zanpakuto, all their powers are still innately hollow as has been shown at every instance. The Vizards are the opposite of the Arrancar not the same thing, they are shinigami that have gained hollow powers, to what extent remains to be seen but they are still innately shinigami abilities. They can use abilities like hollows but not all of them. Lets not forget even in speculation if the arrancar could do soul burial they never would its not there nature (not even in question cause they view humans as lesser beings) as well as they arent apart of the cycle (as they are still hollows and gaining a humanoid form hasnt changed that) look at grimmjaw as a hollow and then an arrancar, nothing had changed in his nature besides his drive for evolution and power, essentially he was still of the same mind just with a different focus. Salubri 03:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Yea he actually is right man, arrancar readily admit they're hollows. They are only arrancar in that their powers are shinigami-like but not so much the same thing. Even still their more powerful then a hollow but seeing as their zanpakuto is not a actual one it cant cleanse hollows or perform soul burial. Also yea soul burial has to be taught and kido most defiantly has to be taught, whose gonna teach them or rather who has time to. Its purely speculation but still it kinda seems a little far fetched to try to place arrancar in a position that requires them to work for the balance of the universe, when they really arent inclined to do so. Its fine if you really like arrancar but theres really way to many people trying to put them in a context that they cant live up to, its not even probable in the storyline, maybe fanfiction though.TeamBleach2 03:38, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

As Arrancar are Hollows in their core and Shinigami cleasen their souls, by "killing" them, what will happen to those who already died by the hands of shinigami? Would that mean, that they are brought to Soul Society? What about those Hollow who were artifically created by Aizen. Were they even humans before? What happens, when a shinigami kills a shinigami, there is no way to bring them to soul society as they are already souls... I'm just confused by now...--Aefilion 19:56, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

You really need to read the profiles its all explained. Its most likely Arrancar are cleansed like hollows even those they already killed. Yes hollows cleansed are reborn like any human soul in soul society but not as a grown being with the memory of their previous life. Its as a baby to some citizen of soul society so they start over there no recollection of they were and the idea is no one knows who they were previously either and then when a shinigami or soul society citizen dies they are reborn the same way into the real world. Even possibly the artificially created arrancar as they were still originally hollows naturally. No arrancar are hollows who gain shinigami-like powers if they are powerful enough to remove their masks. Be it natural arrancar or artificial. Hollows are originally human souls that have been corrupted. Like i said above if a shinigami kills a shinigami that dead shinigami is reborn as a baby to a couple in the real world. The cycle is reincarnation. Only the hollows who committed evil deeds as humans are sent to hell, zanpakuto's dont cleanse that sin only the sin one commits as a hollow. Salubri 20:08, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm really sorry, I thought Aizen had done some experiments on hollows, so that he created hollows from nothing, like shinigami did with the modsouls. I won't ask anything else from now on without reading any possible article that might give of some information first. I assume we get back to the topic: replacements...I really would like to see some new faces in Gotei 13. Right know the vizards will take the role of the deus ex machina. Maybe if things take place in Soul Society again, some of the royal guard captains might be shown (Hikifune especially) and there is also Kurosaki Isshin, who might be a powerful former captain.--Aefilion 21:12, 23 April 2009 (UTC)