Forum:Final Battle Aizen

There is alot of talk about the Espada but what about the real bad guys here. We know Aizen, Gin, Tosen have enemies all over from Soul Society to the Vizard. But the personal attacks and betrayals and attack run even deeper so the most likely listing of opponents for each is here.

For Aizen we have:
 * 1.) Ichigo - Aizen is the reason behind almost getting Rukia killed. He has threatened and attacked his friends. He has kidnapped Orihime. He has threatened and is planning on destroying Karkura Town. (Ichigo is a growing problem for Aizen, with the rapid increasing of his vizard powers with in the past months).
 * 2.) Shinji - Aizen was once he lieutenant and betrayed him causing his hollowfication, which in turn destroyed his life and made him a fugitive from soul society. (Shinji is a problem for Aizen seeing as he was a Captain formerly who has had 100 years to learn to master his vizard powers and has some unfinished business with aizen).
 * 3.) Urahara - Aizen was the one responsible for framing him, causing his exile from soul society, then he stole and used his creation the orb of distortion for his own evil ends. (While normally not given to fighting unless necessary Urahara has been used and manipulated by aizen either directly or indirectly for the past 100 years, lets say he's had quite enough).

For Gin we have:
 * 1.) Hitsugaya - Gin is indirectly responsible for momo's state of mind. He helped Aizen manipulate the situation to the point that it became a personal fued between the two when Hitsugaya believed Gin was the culprit. (Hitsugaya has proven while young he is immensely powerful. He and Gin have unfinished business).
 * 2.) Rangiku - Gin was the one who saved her from death when she was young. They had been somewhat distant friends since then. The betrayal runs deep for her, how could he be involved in aizen's plans when he saved her. (Though only a lieutenant Rangiku has the resolve, though only standing up to his shikai once, it remains to be seen if she could hold her own against his level of power, but she would give it a try).

For Tosen we have:
 * 1.) Komamura - Tosen and him have been best friends with a similar understanding of each other philosophy for a number of years. To find his best friend betray the very institution and man (Yamamoto) who took him in when no one would and stood for justice and law just like tosen did, to side with the likes of aizen is unbelievable. (Komamura has proven in his few instances of combat to be devestating. Not one for the soft touch he can take a beating and dish one very huge one out).
 * 2.) Hisagi - Tosen was his captain. He greatly respected him and believed in his philosophy of justice and took it as his own. Only to find it was all a lie, how can he follow aizen and believe in justice. (Hisagi while only a lieutenant has proven that he is a powerful combatant. Whether he can actually take someone of captain -level skill is to be determined but he has vowed to set his captain back on the right path).

So there you go, just my personal opinion of possible candidates but its left up to chance, any other ideas out there.Salubri 15:05, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that Yamamotto will get the first crack at Aizen be for Ichigo does. I also see Shinji betraying his his fellow visoreds for some reason. I dont know why I just see his loyalty with Aizen for what ever reason. With that said I see a Visored battle in the works. I fell Urahara will pulled into another battle or be sidelined during that fight. I can definitly see Hitsu and Gin. and Koma and Tosen. Ranginku is not ready for Gin and I think that Gin has to many feelings for her to take her on and I think she might have developed some for him as well. I think Kono and Tosen are a must. I cant really see any other person instead of Kenpachi getting in there to finish the job he started. Tealang99 16:05, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with most of what you said. Though im not sure with you shinji idea, i dont see that being the least bit probable even a scenario where many things can happen, basically starting from the fact that he didnt really like or trust aizen, way before what aizen did to him. I also dont see Yamamoto actually fighting him, i mean its possible but Aizen went to alot of effort not to go head-to-head with any captain on even terms anyhow. There is reason to believe he wouldnt be stupid enough to stand against the zanpakuto with the strongest attack power. He even made sure to get away fast as if he didnt want to fight unohana for whatever reason. Aizen relies alot on his zanpakuto's ability. Without it he would have to fight on even terms with the captains. Which im not sure he is prepared to do. For all his im all powerful talk he seems to use his zanpakutos ability more then anything especially to end the fight real fast, i wonder why is he avoiding a actual fight. I dont doubt his skills but what are they without the zanpakuto to help him. Its ability is by far overpowered and used way to much without him doing much of anything. Everyone else is guilty of alot of zanpakuto ability use too but least you see there fighting skills in there, getting their hands dirty. I just dont know but i guess we'll see. Salubri 16:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

What about Izuru Kira and Gin? Quadrupus 21:21, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Aizen did say he reached his potential in all four form of shinigami combat: swordplay, kido, hand to hand, and shunpo. Although whether this limit he was talking about means there a set potential for all shinigami though they reach it at different times or each shinigami has personal limit from which they can go no further is somewhat vague. Although he did say that that limit could be exceeded by obtaining hollow powers which we don't know if any of them: Aizen, Ichimaru, or Tosen have though he did use the hogyoku to create his artificial arrancar like the current Espada. Although Tosen was using Garganta ability to travel between Hueco Mundo and the human world, but then so was Urahara when he sent Ichigo and company to Hueco Mundo. Conceivably, since they were both former captains in the Gotei 13 with very strong spiritual pressure, they could have figured out how to use Garganta: Tosen by seeing the Espada use it often enough and Urahara through research.

It does seem that if any of those three face off with any of the shinigami they it would be the ones who have known them the best or at least have had the most history.

Aizen:

1.It does seem that it might be Shinji since he suspected Aizen of something which is why made him his lieutenant so he could keep an eye on him. At the same time, Shinji distanced himself from Aizen which caught him off guard when he found out that Aizen was behind the shinigami disappearances. Shinji didn't take that betrayal lightly although he stated the vizards were indebted to Aizen for their increased powers.

2.Urahara could be a possibility too since we have yet to see his bankai. He only made a vague statement that it wasn't given to lending power to others.

3.It could be Momo too given she was his lieutenant and looked up to him. Although she doesn't seem to think that he was responsible in betraying Soul Society either, but she is out of the picture for now due to damage from that Allon creature.

Ichimaru:

1.Rangiku would seem the most obvious choice since she knew Ichimaru when they were younger, but she's out of the picture right now with the injury. Unless someone from the 4th manages to heal her really fast then might be out of the current battle for now.

2.Hitsugaya did figure out that Ichimaru was behind the problems during the Soul Society arc although he didn't suspect Aizen as as the true mastermind. Didn't he tell Ichimaru that he would kill him if he raised his sword against Momo? It still remains to be seen if his Espada opponent is really dead or just incapacitated.

Tosen:

1.Komamura did form a fast friendship with Tosen since he was blind and couldn't see what he actually looked like. He did say he wanted to beat some sense into Tosen so he could find his path again.

The other factor to consider is that we haven't seen Ichimaru or Aizen release their bankai. Although going by the previous bankai releases of both captains and non-captains (Renji, Ikkaku), the bankai seems to be an expansion of their shikai form.

Here's the thing Aizen only said he reached his full potential in the anime in the manga he was just talking about the problem that those abilities have limits for shinigami and how you cant go farther and then he explains the way you can. The Garganta seems to be an ability natural to hollow but not entirely universal to them as Urahara used a incantation to open one so it would have to be similar to kido in that respect. Shinji did say they were indebted to aizen but just for more power it didnt obsolve him of what he has done, there is a ability to thank your opponent for opening your eyes to a realization, in plenty of storylines throughtout entertainment. Either way they are still your enemy. I think we need something more solid then just seeing Urahara's bankai what does it have to do with him going against aizen. Momo is not a good pick personally for me she doesnt believe he is a bad guy and she is good a kido but not near powerful enough as some lieutenants and she wouldnt be able to take him she would get killed so quick. The battle i was referring to outside of espada situations there is nothing to tell if it will happen soon in this situation or later. I would say later because the situations now wouldnt let those who could be involved in those fights actually fight.Salubri 16:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)