Forum:Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto

This thread is about Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto. Please keep all new discussions about him here. Any new topics posted outside this thread will be moved here. 13:07, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Few Questions
I would like to a few questions about Yamamoto?

1) Yamamoto founded the Shinigami Academy. So before Yamamoto how did someone become a shinigami?

2) What does one have to do to become Captain-Commander?

3) How old is he a know is over 2000 years old, but he would be even older than 2000 year because he was a teacher and he would had to learn about shinigami combat himself, so that could take time?

4) Who would be a good replacement for Yamamoto if he died or when to the royal gurads?

5) How powerful would is bankai be. His shikai is so powerful that none of the current bankais that have been seen would win. Has anyone seen his bankai in the Soul Society. Flaminghorse December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Just my guesses: Speculating is fun sometimes. Twocents  (Talk)  06:07, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Maybe Shinigami weren't around then, or maybe it was just kind of a random, disorganized effort.
 * 2) I'd guess they'd have to be really powerful (be able to do the Shinigami skills really well) and be pretty authoritative.
 * 3) I dunno. Maybe somewhere between 2000 and 3000 years old? Because even in his the pictures of him from the past, he doesn't look younger then than he does now.
 * 4) Shunsui or Unohana, I think.
 * 5) I'd guess that they have seen his Bankai, even though we as readers, have not. And if it's supposed to be the most powerful fire sword, I'd guess it might have abilities similar to Toshiro's, only more refined with age, practice and skill and fire-based, obviously.

my thoughts are
 * 1) i would think a loosely organized group of people with a master apprentice relationship, as it is shown that people can obtain a zanpukto without be a shinigami (the academy could just have been a refinement at first for those without skills)
 * 2) skill, skill and more skill, with power to match atleast another captain
 * 3) no idea on his age, but as Twocents  said between 2000 and 3000
 * 4) i would say Unohana is a good guess as she is powerful and most people even captains don't talk back to her
 * 5) it has not been shown to readers but again as Twocents  has said it would have been shown to other captains in order to gain his position, and it has been hinted at in the anime to be a fire dragon/being but could just as-well be another embodiment of fire (e.g. phenix, dragons, living flame etc.)

Fawcettp 10:32, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

1) As we have seen, it´s not like academy is completely neccesarry for becoming a shinigami. Every soul with enough reiroku can become a shinigami.

2) Well imo he have to be stronger than average captain, he must be wise and he must be trustworthy.

3) 2547. Lol but seriously I guess he's about 2.500 yo.

4) Ukitake, Shunsui or Unohana. Hard to tell who would be best captain commander.

5) Well I don't think that anyone saw Yamamoto's bankai. Maybe Ukitake and Shunsui but I seriously doubt that anyone else ever saw his bankai.

Ergroilnin 11:12, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

1) I can't even use any evidence for a guess, but my assumption would be something to do with nobility, as in they were sworn to protect Rukongai or their realm based on their titles.

2)My assumption with this is impecable skill and admiration of your peers. Beyond that no real guesses.

3)Same as everyone else...2,000-3,000 give or take a few hundred

4)While I think Unohana would be the "obvious" choice to replace Yamamoto, but to be honest, if he had to choose, I don't think there would even be a doubt he would pick Byakuya. He's the only one that would enforce/follow the rules to the letter that Yamamoto himself has said 1,000 times that he must do as Captain Commander. Unohana, Shunsui and Ukitake are too "kind-hearted" for the position according to Yamamoto I believe.

No one ever said that they can't fight against Yamamoto's shikai. Ukitake and Shunsui were able to stand up to him, who knows what they could do alone, he has never truly fought yet to know the extent of his powers. But I, like most people believe that his bankai is ungodly strong and he doesnt use it for the consequences, similar to why the top 4 Espada weren't allowed to release in LN...probably why he doesnt want to use his Bankai...might be too dangerous for Sereitei or the real Karakura town...

Just my opinion...Orionradar 23:17, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

i'v been thinking about it and if his bankai is that powerful then i wouldn't think he would be able to use it even if he had to.(not trying to say that it's a bad idea or that i don't like it. just saying what i thought).Soul reaper magnum 04:07, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly. I can't imagine that it's so dangerous that the release alone would destroy a large radius. That'd kind of make it a useless ability. Plus, you'd think the head captain would have some sort of control over his own powers. Twocents   (Talk)  04:09, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

1).I agree with the others. It was a loose nit organization of Souls working together against the Hollows.

2).Someone strong.

3).I actually have to think he is over 4,000 years old as two thousand yrs ago he was still an old fart.

4).The young Toshiro Hitsugaya. Young but busting with potential.

5).I actually think his Bankai is very dangerous when released. It is supposed to be. The fire won't burn him so he remains unaffected and only other strong captains can survive it. It is for that reason he paralyzed Nanao before releasing his Zanpakuto and y he only releases it when others around r strong enough to handle being around it, and this is just in its Shikai. To further prove my point, Jushiro called it "Horrible" and hinted that he might be afraid or wary of it. Minato  04:22, December 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * speaking of Ryujin Jakka, I like the omake at the end of episode 249. lol@Yama-ji --WinterFox 05:41, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

I think that a Captain-Commander would be appointed by one of the "higher-ups", as I think there are people (higher than the now-defunct Central 46). Perhaps people aides to the Spirit King or something. Because, there hasn't been any confirmation as to who promotes Captains to the Royal Guard, right? My speculation is that there is someone (or plural!) calling the shots, rather it being the Spirit King himself or an adviser. --Animeluvr92 18:48, December 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * There is. The Royal Family which the the Spirit King is the head of. Rangiku said that the Royal Family as a whole appointed the forty judges and six sage which were known as Central 46. The family themselves chose never to get involved with Seireitei affairs. They r probably waiting for Aizen to be beaten(if the Gotei 13 can beat him) before they appoint replacements for Central 46. Minato  18:58, December 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, thanks for the info! It cleared a lot up for me. Personally, I can't wait until more information about the Royal Guard and Royal Family are revealed. --Animeluvr92 20:24, December 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, and do you have a reference/source for that? I think that it [appointment information and the reference] should be added to the Central 46/Judiciary sub-section on the Soul Society article (: -- Animeluvr 20:30, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, I apologize for not answering sooner. I didn't see ur second comment. Second, its Anime episode 125, so that would be Manga chapters 221 thro 223. I don't kno if u already figured that out, but I decided better late then never. Minato (Talk)  15:17, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Captain Yamamoto & Zero Squad
I am just wondering that, if the most powerful captains are frequently promoted to higher levels as the Zero Squad, why captains of the level of Yamamoto Genryusai, Unohana or Shunsui (too lazy maybe) still remain in the Gotei 13? Also, as a shinigami can't retired (ie. Maggot's Nest), where's Ginrei Kuchiki? Is he dead in combat or illness, is he promoted in upper level?--Baronofash 00:29, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Well it would stand to reason that you can't put all your eggs in one basket. All the heavy hitters can't be on the top otherwise who will carry on the stability of the lower ranks. We have to consider that while the job of the Royal Guard is important. The job of the Gotei 13 is just as important if not more so. They are the last line of defense against those that would disrupt the balance. As connection to the Spirit King is not direct some form of power and authority would have to be present that would makes sense in the case of why certain members are not promoted. It is more likely as well that the Royal Guard look for certain criteria to add to their number or for those who maybe tired of their Gotei 13 role and want something less bothersome or maybe more deeply involved. Also it seems the captains can retire after a term of service as mentioned in TBTP of the former 3rd division Captain before Rose, they just can't decide to run from the duty. Its a good question of where Ginrei Kuchiki is, there is no mention he could have died or retired or been promoted as well who knows.Salubri 03:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Yamamoto:Founder of Gotei 13
I thought that there was something like 11 previous Captain-Commanders before Yamamoto, so how did he found the Gotei 13, which is stated on his page? 120324 (talk) 12:16, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

You thought wrong. There has been no mention of a Captain-Commander prior to Yamamoto. In addition, the Bleach book of Souls, it is stated the he founded the Gotei 13. Tinni  (Talk)  12:24, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but in Chapter 394, it says that he's only been Captain-Commander for 1000 years, which falls short of him founding the Shinigami Academy by 1000 years. 120324 (talk) 02:21, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Academy is not the same thing as the Gotei 13. He probably founded the Academy before the Gotei 13--God (Pray)  02:24, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

I do know that. But in Chapter 394, it also says that he's the 30th Captain-Commander of the Gotei 13. 120324 (talk) 02:29, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

That was a mistranslation from the Mangastream release, all other translations verify that they just messed up the Kanji. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  02:31, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

So it means he's been Captain-Commander since his founding of the Gotei 13 1000 years ago? So when was the Shinigami Academy founded? 120324 (talk) 02:52, August 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, since this is a wiki, you can check the Shinō Academy or Yamamoto pages for when the academy was founded. Both pages state it quite clearly. 11:14, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Forgive me for sounding annoying, but this is for my own edification and peace of mind. Yamamoto founded the Shino Academy. When did he found the Gotei 13, because I have rifled through the entire article and found no mention of this. It also does say that Shunsui & Ukitake were one of the first to become captains through it, so I assume the Gotei 13 was founded slightly afterwards??? 120324 (talk) 12:39, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yamamoto founded the Shinō Academy 2000 years ago. He told Aizen he had been the captain-commander of the Gotei 13 for the last 1000 years. It would stand to reason that if Yamamoto founded the Gotei 13 and he has been the captain-commander for the last 1000 years, he founded the Gotei 13 about 1000 years ago. Tinni  (Talk)  07:19, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Could've just corrected me instead you know ;) Toshi04 (talk) 13:51, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Itto Kaso
We saw Genryusai use a spell a fair few chapters ago now, which I think was called something like Itto Kaso... he (or Aizen, I forget) stated that it is a forbidden Kido because it uses the body as a catalyst for its strength, right? (Correct me if I got that completely wrong and it actually just throws marshmallows or something.) Anyway, we saw Genryusai's fingers cracking after he used it, and I was wondering if any alternate translation might make it clearer as to the extent of its use of the caster's body. Basically, is he dead, or might he be dying? Or does the spell just take a bit of your skin or something? Snappydog (talk) 13:34, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it was more of a huge crack on his arm, which light seemed to be pouring out of. Seeing as Aizen called it the "sacrificial Kidou," I'd say that Yamamoto caused his entire body to explode, which of course, make him dead. However, we can't say this on the Wiki because we have no other proof that he is or isn't dead, so his status was left as "Unknown" before the status boxes were removed. Mohrpheus (talk) 13:45, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

His status was placed as unknown because it was highly ambiguous scene. Aizen doesn't know everything, especially not something he has never used, his knowledge seemed very limited and text book. nothing was elaborated on as to what happened. Yammaoto is the captain-commander without him there is no Gotei 13 and there is more to his character for the future of the series. The likelihood is considerable that he is not dead for numerous reasons. --Salubri (Talk)  15:39, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Hm... it doesn't actually state anywhere in canon what his status is for sure then? I will be disappointed if he is dead, since I think it'd be a shame to kill anyone off without showing us the extent what they can do - particularly somebody as powerful as Yamamoto... I hope he isn't dead, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. Snappydog (talk) 13:52, September 7, 2010 (UTC)