Bleach Wiki talk:Policy & Standards Committee

Committee Wannabe Box
User:SerialSniper14 has created a Template:CommitteeWannabe box and is using it on his page. I am not entirely sure how to react to this situation or even if I should react. Just thought I would bring it to everybodies notice that we now do have a template. Tinni  (Talk)  12:48, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well, my take on this is that it is a box which users can use while awaiting promotion to the Committee. Right now Serial is the only one using it and I can't imagine the others wanting the Template. Ergo, if or when Serial is promoted to the Committee he will more the likely get rid of that Template and pretty soon now we will have the Committee full. So I move for that Templates Deletion after the Decision on the Current Four, User:TomServo101, User:SerialSniper14, User:Gold3263301 and User:Nwang2011. Also, about the Templates, i.e the on u have created for our Archive box. Do u just create those every time the occasion calls, or do u have a stock of them I haven't gotten around to seeing yet? I also have one other quick question. Should I contact Kiran about the disapproval of his promotion? Minato (Talk)  12:58, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

I agree we can delete the template once we reach the final decision on everybody. As for the talk archive box, I made one for myself the other day since the default one was kind of bland and used one of the pictures I uploaded for the All Colour But The Black article. Since the committee archive was looking kind of bland, I took the layout I made for my own talk page and just replaced the colour, the picture and of course the link. As for KiranTheBoi, yes I think it is best coming from you and not me. Just because KiranTheBoi and I have had issues in the past and coming from me it might look personal. Anyway, I'll contact the admins about a speed-up of a decision regarding  User:TomServo101, User:SerialSniper14, User:Gold3263301 and User:Nwang2011. My current inclination is to ask for immediate seating of User:TomServo101, User:SerialSniper14 and User:Nwang2011. With request that a 7th seat be opened up for User:Gold3263301 once and if, User:Gold3263301 completes his initiation. I feel this is a just reflection of the efforts the other three have made towards committee projects and that User:Gold3263301 has not yet done. However, that being said, I see from interaction between User:Gold3263301 and you, Minato, that he is serious about completing his initiation. Given User:Gold3263301's higher edit count. I am also happy to hold the 4th seat in reserve for him and request a 7th seat be opened for User:SerialSniper14. Anyway, I'll bring it all up with the admins and see how things go. Tinni  (Talk)  13:14, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal for procedure to remove members and the captain (me)
We will soon be getting a few new members and so it is about time we start to think about how and under what circumstance people can be kicked out of the committee. That of course includes myself. So here goes,

Removal of seated member
Conditions under which an involuntary (people can always resign) removal would be considered,
 * In-active for six months or more.
 * Repeated abuse of rollback privileges
 * Non-performance/non-communication with the committee - this is different from being in-active. They might still be active in the wiki but if they suddenly stopped talking to the committee and responding to messages or looking after projects to which they are assigned, then its problem
 * Repeated violation of Bleach wiki policies - remember, most people were let into the committee because they didn't have violations to their name

How to remove,
 * The removal request be brought up on the committee page (that's the committee page's discussion section NOT this talk page) by one member and second by another.
 * Depending on the severity of the situation the captain (me) might choose to put the matter straight to the admins for them to vote for revoking roll-back rights and dropping the member from the committee or, if I am unsure I can open up a vote on the matter and provided the majority of the committee members want the person evicted, I will pass it along to the admins with the recommendation that they be dropped.

Removal of the captain
Only thing different here is that the period of in-activity is three months, instead of six. Basically, the captain is suppose to keep the thing running. If the captain is not here... the absence should be more notable then the absence of a seated officer. So. Three months of inactivity and the captain get's dropped down to a seated officer. Three months more of inactivity and the person get's dropped from the committee entirely.

As for how to remove, all members have to agree on the removal of the captain AND, this is very important, agree that the vice-captain should take over as the new captain. If the Vice-captain doesn't want to, then another committee member has to be picked. Then the admins are to be contacted to ask for the removal of the captain and the seating of the new captain. The admins will of course have the final say.

So these are my suggestions. What do you guys think. Tinni  (Talk)  13:52, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Procedure Discussions

 * I agree with the Seated Officer section completely. I am guessing as Vice-Captain the same rules apply for me as with u, right? Eitherway it doesn't matter to me. There is one thing I think might need be added. If u were to be promoted to a Captain(Sysop). While Bleach Wikia is not looking for any Admins u would be the first they would pick. So a third Section should be added saying:


 * "Another way of removal of the Captain would be thru Promotion. If the Captain is promoted to Adminship, then the Vice-Captain should take-over. If the Vice-Captain is not willing then another member has to be picked."


 * I also think that(I kno I am the Vice-Captain and I would take-over if the situation calls for it)if the Vice is unwilling to become Cap, then the Admins should be the ones to decide(on both the removal, via In-active and promotion). These r just my suggestions Minato  (Talk)  14:11, January 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I forgot to add one thing. If the Vice is unwilling to take command, then it should be decided that he be moved to a Seated Position and the Admins should pick two users to replace the Cap and Vice. Minato  (Talk)  14:28, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Good suggestions. Good suggestions. There is no hurry in deciding any of this. Well codify the policies in due time. For now, let's just leave these suggestions here for discussion, modification etc. We are in no hurry. Tinni  (Talk)  14:38, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Everything seems fair enough. From the looks of things, there won't be a new admin any time soon, though a few of them do seem to be currently inactive. Obviously, Tinni would be the next in line for adminship if that time comes, if they have officially adopted the policy of using Committee members as admin candidates. At any rate, I hope that the current projects are completed before then. Mohrpheus 17:34, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

I am not too concerned about committee members (including myself) leaving the committee by becoming admins, simply because that's a form of voluntary removal. If a member leaves voluntarily, then it is simply a matter of declaring lowest seat vacant and asking for nomination and again putting the nominations up for vote amongst us and the admin and giving the seat to whoever wins the most approval and moving everybody else up one. Same deal if the captain resigns, the vice-captain automatically takes over - 3rd seat becomes new vice-captain, 4th seat becomes new 3rd seat etc, etc and then the lowest seat gets declared vacant. Only time there will be an issue if someone doesn't want to move up. There might be good reasons for this, they don't have the time for the increased responsibility or is happy where they are. If that happens, it is probably best to discuss each individual circumstances amongst ourselves and the admins and act accordingly. Tinni  (Talk)  01:11, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was reading over some of this and feel I should clarify on my suggestions, or atleast one part. When I said: "I also think that(I kno I am the Vice-Captain and I would take-over if the situation calls for it)if the Vice is unwilling to become Cap, then the Admins should be the ones to decide(on both the removal, via In-active and promotion)." To be more specific, I only think the Admins should get involved if the Vice is unwilling to accept the promotion and that the Admins should pick two other members from the Committee. One for the Cap and one for the Vice.


 * Also I disagree with Tinni's statement above, or a certain part of it. I do not like the idea of an Admin being on the Committee. If one of the Committee was to become an Admin they must first, or right after, resign from the Committee and another user should be chosen to fill that persons role, or we could wait for someone to nominate themselves. Either way. Reason: Having and Admin on the Committee goes against y the Committee was formed, i.e to free up the Admins so they can focus on other things. Having an Admin on the Committee would be like having Ikkaku and Yumichika attend a Captains meeting, its unethical. Minato  (Talk)  00:30, January 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry Minato, I think you misunderstood what I meant. I mean, no one can force a person to become an admin. So if one of the members of the committee is offered a role as an admin, it is still their choice as to whether they accept and leave the committee or decline because they don't want the increased responsibility that goes with being an admin. I didn't mean that they can be an admin AND stay on the committee. That's crazy talk! So in essence becoming an admin is same as resigning, where the resignation is automatic upon accepting the adminship. Tinni   (Talk)  01:12, January 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah. My bad. Srry bout that. Minato  (Talk)  01:18, January 10, 2010 (UTC)