Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-5693502-20140409230628/@comment-5693502-20140410202402

It appears it took some effort from the Sternritter, though, to retain the stolen Bankai; like a constant tug-of-war with the Bankai. When Quilge used Sklaverei, he did so in his Vollständig form, and it seemed an easy task, but the other Sternritter were unable to use Vollständig, as long as they controlled the stolen Bankai. It's as if it was a burden to them. The link I was trying to make was that if a Quincy can completely 'enslave' reishi via a technique like Sklaverei, thus enabling one to absorb the constituency of a creature made up of reishi, then theoretically (obviously not proven) the same technique could be used to 'steal' a bankai (since it would also be made up of reishi). Obviously it's not an exact science and the outcome would probably be very sloppy (if Quilge absorbing Ayon is any indicator) but it helps to make the fact that a Quincy can use bankai, despite being a completely different species, acceptable.

Ginjo used to be a Substitute Shinigami at one point. That, combined with being a Fullbringer, means he had both Hollow and Shinigami powers long before he met Ichigo. I could understand if the Shinigami powers he 'supposedly' has equalled a zanpakuto of some sort or even a pseudo-zanpakuto. Because let's be honest, a Shinigami is defined by the fact they possess a zanpakuto (regardless of what level it is at); no zanpakuto, you're not a Shinigami (Ouetsu Nimaiya said it himself). But really, his "bankai" just looked like an upgraded version of his regular Fullbring (just as Xilinoc said) slapped with the term 'bankai' for good measure; it didn't even have a name. I mean he even used an energy blast that looked and sounded like a Cero while his "bankai" was active; I don't think that's a coincidence either, that sounds like his inherent Hollow powers speaking. The only indication of anything Shinigami-like that Ginjo himself displayed was when he shouted, "Bankai" (and turned into this Resurreccion-like form). Just my opinion.

Ichigo only lost his Reiatsu, a tool needed to utilize his Shinigami power. He never truly lost Zangetsu, because Zangetsu is merged with Ichigo's soul. Rukia also explains to Ginjo, that it is impossible to take all of Ichigo's Shinigami power away from him. But still, what Shinigami powers did Ginjo steal exactly ? Fine, so he stole the ability to use Getsuga Tensho (a technique which was actually usable in Ichigo's Fullbring). Now it can be debated whether the Getsuga Tensho technique was taken from his Fullbring powers or Shinigami powers, but taking into consideration that Ichigo didn't have his Shinigami powers (active) prior to Ginjo stealing his Fullbring, I would say the former is a lot more likely. Which brings me back to the question: What Shinigami powers did Ginjo steal exactly ?

At the moment I'm thinking along (mostly) the same lines as Xilinoc but really I'm just waiting for someone to give me hardcore reasoning/hypotheses/ideas as to why Ginjo possessed "bankai" despite lacking a zanpakuto or any indication of Shinigami powers.