Forum:Old Improvement & Issues Topics

The following are old, long dead discussions on issues and improvements to the wiki from before there was a dedicated forum section for them. They have been merged here to keep them together and out of the watercooler. These issues have been resolved. Please note that in the case of disputed translations, we go with what is most accurate to what the author wrote. We now have a dedicated Translation Corner for such issues. -- Yyp (Talk) 21:43, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Problems with the Espada/Captain Comparisons
There are several problems I see with them, here are the ones I see, feel free to fix them or explain why they are not if you want:


 * 1) Ulquiorra Cifer

Tōshirō Hitsugaya: Both are said to be cold to others, serious, and powerful (more so for Ulquiorra.) Unlike Tōshirō, Ulquiorra is indifferent, brooding and depressed. <---Why does this say 'Indifferent, brooding, and depressed'? Ulquiorra has never shown such personality. being indifferent is true, but he does not Brood and he isn't depressed. He is very relaxed, and doesn't really speak often or anything, but that isn't the same thing as being 'brooding and depressed'. These things, combined with his article, is making Ulquiorra into some type of Emo or Goth who sits around cutting himself, which he isn't.


 * 1) Nnoitra Jiruga - Kenpachi Zaraki: use brute force in combat, wear eye patches, and have an overly-violent lust for battle. However, unlike Kenpachi, Nnoitra is a sexist lecher and calls Orihime Inoue "pet-sama".   <--- A pair of notes here should be that Nnotira doesn't have the same amount of Battle-lust that Kenpachi has, he actually becomes scared of Kenpachi near the end of their fight when he realizes that, no matter how much he cuts him, Kenpachi keeps coming. The other thing should be mentioning the difference between their eye patches, Kenpachi's is a Power limiter, Nnotira's hides his Hollow hole. The World Platinum 03:45, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree that there are some mistakes or things out of place there. Particularly Avirama Redder -Izuru Kira? Please? Avirama sees battle as some sort of sport and gets some extent of amusement from it. Kira, on the other hand, relates battle with despair, and he thinks lowly of Avirama for taking war so lightly. Their battle styles are also very different, Avirama fighting from long distance, while Kira is a short-range fighter. Where Kira is calm and quiet, Avirama is loud and impatient. I see nothing in common between them. Just because they fought each other, doesn't mean they're counterparts.

Same for Findor Carias-Hisagi Shuhei. Again, they fought each other, but throughout the fight we saw nothing but their ideals, thoughts, personalities and fighting styles opposing each others'. Findor is arrogant and overconfident, and Hisagi is humble and composed. Hisagi and Findor have an important argument about "fearing one's sword", something else in which they disagree. I think we should consider keeping this Shinigami counterparts section, most of it makes little sense to me. The only ones that seem to match are Stark-Shunsui, Ulquiorra-Byakuya, Nnoitra-Kenpachi and Szayel-Mayuri.

And well, Unohana-Yammy? Again, Please? It's mere speculation. It hasn't been stated that Yammy is the strongest Espada, the implications of him being ranked 0 remain a mistery, and Unohana hasn't even lifted her zanpakuto in the whole series, all we know about her power is that she is second in overall abilities, below Aizen and Yamamoto, but the implications of those stats are relative, considering that Kenpachi ranked the lowest of all thirteen captains. Lia Schiffer 00:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, if fighting for sport is Avirama's forte, which I agree, it is, he should be compared to Ikkaku Madarame. I do recall Edorad saying that Ikkaku fought for sport. Both Avirama and Ikkaku do that, and they fight because they respect their leader (Kenpachi/Barragan). That is the connection I see with Avirama, not Izuru. - HuecoMuffin 21:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Someone Got Carried Away
"Master Swordsmanship Specialist" Master is someone who knows all the techniques and can execute them without flaw. Specialist is some one who specialize, in this case, in swordsmanship and therefore is one of the best at it. Even if Ichigo fought (not trained) for 7 or 8 days with master swordsman Urahara I would still be far from calling him a master swordsman. While we'er at it, since when Zaraki is a master swordsman as well? He himslef admits he hates bushido and knows only one, the most basic, thing about it. Ichigo, just like Zaraki, is a brawler who defeates (we'll get to that "defeating") his opponents by overpowering them.

"Flash Steps Expert" Once again, an expert is someone who knows everything available to know about a subject in question, and in martial art, someone who can also execute techniques and strategies flawlessly. I know Byakuya said that Ichigo had mastered Shunpo, but I think that what he meant was, he learned to use it, nothing more. His speed which could even surpass Byakuya's was a result of his bankai ability - compressing reiatsu. I don't think that with his current knowledge he can keep up with Byakuya, Yoruichi or Soifon, not to mention real big guns of soul society. I would call him a little bit over average shunpo user.

"Expert Hand-to-Hand Combatant" Again, where does an expert comes from? Yes, he was trained by his father, if we can call it a training, but I really, reaaally doubt that he could stand a chance against real experts like Urahara or Yoruichi in a hand-to-hand combat fight. He was more or less equal to Kukkaku's brother, which all agree was not even close to expert. Now comes the best part...

"High-Level Intellect" I laughed so hard I couldn't breath. A man with high-level intellect is a scientis who understand Theory of Relativity. A man with high-level intellect is a man who is listed in 100 best chess players in the world list. A man with high-level intellect is a skilled doctor or an engineer. Urahara, Aizen, Shunsui, Uluqiorra, Stark had high-level intellect. Ichigo has shown himself to be analytical, perceptive, and deductive Everything he knows, he was told by someone (Ishida, Urahara, Yoruichi). He found his zanpaktou in a box because Ishida told him how to distinct shinigami's reiatsu from others. He learned shikai because Urahara forced him to (but he still didn't understand what it was or how to use it at will), and bankai because Yoruichi and extremely patient Zangetsu have helped him. He didn't even tried to learn anything by himslef. Every other shinigami has few techniques in various modes. He only has Getsuga Tenshou HA! he already knew getsuga tenshou but his 'high intellect' didn't help him to use it in bankai mode, but instead his 'high intellect' let him crush his bones by his own reiatsu. Yeah, a real moron... I mean genius. I'm not surprised that Ishida and his inner hollow call him that. He looked down at Zaraki for not wanting to know his zanpaktou name, but now all Ichigo does getting more power by hollowization.

analytical... even though Urahara told him to look for patterns in opponent's attacks, he still got nailed by Renji. The only way for him to understand attack patterns is by experiancing them, just like with Madarame or lately with Uluqiorra, like he says he gets used to them. But if you keep hitting a monkey with a stick, it will eventually dodge it and probably bash you in the head, don't you think?

Ichigo's grades are almost always near the top... he was in a top 20 if I recall correctly.. so here is one for ya.. why a boy with an average grades in an average high school has high intellect?

determine the pattern of his opponent's battle methods and correctly deduce a proper counter-strategy to defeat his opponents attacks.. a proper method of countering? Which methods... first fight with Renji - something helped him to overpower Renji just before he was killed (I bet it was his hollow). Madarame was overpowered, no fancy techniques or strategies. Second fight with Renji, he used getsuga tenshou (ofcourse afer being beaten almost to the death) unknowingly. Zaraki - overpowered, ofcourse after being almost killed by him. Byakuya - almost killed by Byakuya, ofcourse was saved by his hollow. Oh, and he had no idea why Senbonzakura's gotten faster after Byakuya started to use his hands - how perceptive of him :/ Aizen - well, no difference visible to the eye. Grimmjow - overpowerd. Uluqiorra killed him two times.

"Determination" Since when does a determination is a skill? And even if it was, it's just like Aizen said Your life force being much stronger than your skill is working against you.

Hmm.. if you think that Ichigo is a badass, gimmie a HELL YEAH! ....


 * HELL YEAH.


 * But on a different note I agree mostly. He is actually a pretty good swordsman, Yoruichi makes the comment, when he's training for bankai, that his technique was improving rapidly, he was no longer charging in and relying on Zangetsu's brute power. Sure he's no Ulquiorra or Kyoraku but he's better then most.


 * He is Captain class flash steps ability, but no more then that, he simply, as you said, possesses a bankai that greatly increases his speed.


 * Sure, not expert, but he's pretty good, He just doesn't seem to use it much at all. Sure Yoruichi would mop the floor with him but you know, that's Yoruichi.


 * Yeh, he is no genius.


 * Just about his first fight with Renji, he didn't possess an inner hollow at that time. He won because of his sheer power that he was forcing out.


 * So yeah, I pretty much agree. But he still beat Grimmjow, Zaraki, Renji and Dordonii in fair fights so he sure as hell ain't weak or pathetic. Just my op. --BollyW 13:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Poll or Written poll ?
Hello.. Well, I saw, with the "OscurO/rA" topic that "writed votes" fails(like 10 vote)  whereas automatized polls have over 60 votes. Then, I wondered, would an authomatized vote be better for featured articles ?
 * Well... I think the writed votes method is OK for the featured article. I don't know how it works but, maybe we need to consider the fact that is too easy to cheat the automatized poll, and for example; Vandals and no-wiki editors could post their votes and we'll never know about it, same for anonymous IP users. I think we need to authetificate the Cero Oscuro/As poll as well. Just my opinion. Maul day 20:36, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Technical problems?
Didn't know where else to stick this, so I decided to stick it here. Anyone else notice that some of the users' edits have a lot of & # 160; in them? I'm not sure what it is, but it's been happening rather frequently lately, and quite frankly, it is really, really annoying. Anyone have any guesses why this might be happening? Arrancar109 17:55, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Arbol, Arbola or Arbolar
Hi, I read manga scans off onemanga.com, it's really trust worthy and when I read the chapter where Rudobon released his zanpakuto, it said it was called Arbola, but whenever i put it as arbola, it is changed, can someone please tell me if its arbola or arbol?

that's a tough one. if it's arbola the japanese pronunciation would be arubora (i think). if it's arbol the i think it would be aruboru(i think). Kisukeiscool100396


 * Well the Zanpakutoh's name is supposed to be the Spanish for "tree" so it should be Arbol. But this is not the first time that we see wrong use of Spanish in the series (I'm looking at you Sado and Ulquiorra) I, personally would stick to Arbola, because that's how I read it in the manga.

(Poll)Arbol, Arbola or Arbolar
Arbol, Abolar or Arbola Arbola Arbolar Arbol

Arbola
i have to go with arbola because it's what the creator wrote--Kisukeiscool100396 02:21, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Result
Result was:
 * Arbola 54
 * Arbolar 3
 * Arbol 20

(Poll) Articles for techniques ?
87 vote for Yes(Only those where we got informations, but including those like gran ray cero.) |
 * Yes : That means, as soon as we got information about a technique, it deserves its own page, like gran ray, and stuff.(see Narutopedia)

That means, since May 1st, 2009, all the techniques we know a little about deserves their own article.

POLL IS CLOSED

Informations about answers :
 * Yes : That means, as soon as we got information about a technique, it deserves its own page, like gran ray, and stuff.(see Narutopedia)
 * No : That means that ALL techniques should be included into Character pages or General pages about techniques.
 * Only Signifiant : Means technique for which we got MUCH informations and probably used by many characters
 * Don't care : No need to explain

I think it's pretty clear, I let you vote :)

Some yes but not all
While some thecniques do deserve their own page (ex. Hierro, Bala, Hohō, Zanjutsu, Cero) not all of them do (ex Getsuga Tenshō, Cero Oscuras, Gran Rey Cero). This is because:
 * a)Not significant enough. If is a personal technique from a Character than no since it can easily you go into that characters page
 * b)Variation. The tecnique is nothing more than a variation of a technique that is already well expained in the parent article.
 * c)Info. litle to no info is know on it.
 * d)Multiple users. Techniques that can be used by most people of a race be it Shinigami, Hollow, Quincy and others deserve their own page.
 * e)To many to cover in the main article. Kidō techniques may get their own article if enough info is know on it simply because of the multiple spells that they are (it as been sugested that there is 90 Hado and 90 Bakudo along with others that dont fall in this realm.

This is my take on this matter please feel free to voice your opinions as well. WhiteStrike 09:50, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Im a bit confused by what the poll is asking to vote on. In any case Im in total agreement with Whitestrike, while Hierro, Bala, Cero, Hoho, Zanjutsu, Kido, Hakuda Deserve their own page as they always have. The side variations dont need their own space for all the aforementioned reasons. Salubri 12:39, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Revamped the answers.

Techniques
In my optimistic opinion, ALL Bleach techniques should have their own articles just like Narutopedia. That way, it's fair and all techniques that exist in Bleach have respect, regardless of what other people say otherwise. Also, I am not in total agreement with the latter two above, and I don't want anyone to force anyone to change their opinion, even if it is entitled. Dekoshu talk contrib 16:50, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

This poll should be closed, since 4 days have passed. Dekoshu talk contrib 05:31, 23 April 2009 (UTC)