Forum:Starrk vs. Barragan

IDK if there's already a topic on this or not, but... What do you think makes Starrk so powerful ... even stronger than Barragan? I think it has something to do with the "different" kind of ammunition Kyouraku was talking about.

Oh, and could he possibly fire multiple Gran Rey Cero instead of the ordinary Cero? Animeluvr92 16:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

[EDIT] Also, do you guys think Starrk was stronger than Barragan when he was King of Hueco Mundo? Or, when they became Arrancar, Starrk grew stronger ... ? OR, could it be that Starrk had no interest in it because he was lazy even then? [/EDIT] Animeluvr92 17:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Is Starrk more powerful than Barrigan?

While their is definitely an arrangement based on raw power among the Espada its also obvious that political considerations are big in determining an Espada's rank. Luppi, for example, advanced to the 6th Espada position because Grimmjow fell out of favor. That reversed itself as soon as Aizen decided to show favor toward Grimmjow again. Thats all politics.

The top 3 or 4 Espada positions may be so close in power that the actual distinction between the 1st Espada's power and the 2nd Espada is nearly meaningless. Aizen may simply of given the 1st Espada position to Starrk as a means to tweak and preoccupy a dangerously ambitious Barragan who sees the #1 Espada position as his right.

So while the top Espada are all very powerful I wouldn't be ready to say X is more powerful than Z simply because of the numbering system they use. There are other political considerations in play too. Great Cthulhu 21:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Political aside, no offense at all Great Cthulhu, but whaht have we seen Starrk do? Fire a crap load of Ceros? If that is all that got him that rank, then that's pathetic. What I am trying to point out is that he hasn't shown us his true powers. Kyoraku himself knew that Starrk could use other kinds od ammunintion, but he never did during their fight. Plus, his analytical skills. Starrk could figure both Kyoraku and Ukitake within a few minutes or three moves. If he is that good, I wouldn't be surprised if he could find away around Barragan's ability, despite what people may think. Let's just wait and see why his rank is the Primera and Barragan is only the Segunda.--Moe1216 18:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Political aside, no offense at all Great Cthulhu, but whaht have we seen Starrk do? Fire a crap load of Ceros? If that is all that got him that rank, then that's pathetic. What I am trying to point out is that he hasn't shown us his true powers. Kyoraku himself knew that Starrk could use other kinds od ammunintion, but he never did during their fight. Plus, his analytical skills. Starrk could figure both Kyoraku and Ukitake within a few minutes or three moves. If he is that good, I wouldn't be surprised if he could find away around Barragan's ability, despite what people may think. Let's just wait and see why his rank is the Primera and Barragan is only the Segunda.--Moe1216 18:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

No offense taken...I'm offering alternatives to the obvious options for discussion. I'm sure I'll be wrong as often as I'm right.

I never suggested that firing Ceros were Starrk's only power, no matter how many trick shots he can pull off. Any Espada can fire fancy Ceros. I fully believe Starrk is capable of quite a bit more. But its arguable right now that anything he has makes him head and shoulders more powerful than Barragan. At least until I see evidence of it. But whatever Starrk is he is most certainly not weak and will require at least as much effort from the Shinigami to defeat. Great Cthulhu 20:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I like starrk, i'd rather he defects instead of being defeated.

While i do hope and i'm pretty sure Starrk will have more or different kinds of attacks, i think the cero gun might just be enough for defeating Barragen. People tend to forget how strong they are because all hollows can use them, but plenty of times we have seen characters in danger from the cero and plenty of time seen people scared of it (like in the second bleach movie, they had to use a captains Bankai to defend from a wave of Cero). We know that Barragen can be damage by explosions if the explosion is faster then his aging ability. SO chances are that starrk can fire off a cero that makes it past the time field. Plus Barragen only attack might be fast, but it's been hinted that Starrk's speed is unbelievable, so i doubt he could even get hit once.

I'll also point out that while firing a bunch of Cero isn't all that impressive, firing a *thousand* cero is... yea. Kinda scary. Ceros often tend to be one of the big dangerous attacks from an Espada, Yammy's was the most dangerous thing he did in his encounter. ZeroSD 04:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Except the ones blocked by Zaraki or Urahara...Baronofash 07:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Just because it was blocked doesn't mean it wasn't significant. Defending against them usually takes effort. ZeroSD 10:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, the thing is, Barragan's Respira only affected a certain area around him. For example, he slowed down Soifon's Bankai so that it would explode prematurely before it even hit him. However, he also used Sonido technique in order to evade the attack. Hachi even mentioned that he can only age an attack that came right at him. Barragan had to use his aging powers to stop the Bankai from hitting, but also used his Sonido to get away, which means that he couldn't be saved only by his aging. Furthermore, Starrk can fire at least a thousand Ceros and he has incredible speed, enough to the point where it would overwhelm Barragan because Starrk is too fast and he can't use Respira on all the Ceros in time (no pun intended) to protect him. Barragan also has the politics of Aizen working against him, because I doubt Aizen would allow a hated enemy to be the Primera for his own Espada.

Plus, I'm pretty sure Starrk has a few more tricks up his sleeve than a bunch of Ceros.

EspadaPrimeraUlquiorraCifer 18:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC) EspadaPrimeraUlquiorra (UTC) EspadaPrimeraUlquiorraCifer 18:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)