Forum:Was Barragan already an Espada/Arrancar when Aizen arrived

Looking at the latest chapter, he is sitting BORED in his "released" form. Is this a clue that he wasn't in the original Espada before Aizen arrived? We know there was an original group of Espada before Aizen came (Privaron Espada). Aizen also offered Barragan extra power, probably meaning he will turn him in an arrancar. Nytemyre 02:28, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I think you're misunderstanding matters. The Espada was a group that Aizen created, all espada became so after he arrived. The first batch of Espada were imperfect arrancar, made without the breakdown sphere. The second batch, the current ones, were given power after that. ZeroSD 03:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I somewhat agree with Nytemyre in the sense that he may have been an arrancar prior to meeting Aizen. The form he is shown in only has minor differences from his released form and appears to be far more humanoid than other hollow. Either way wouldn't claiming that he was a hollow then(as is done in the trivia section) be speculation.--Terrios 22:44, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

An arrancar's release form is supposed to look like their original hollow form anyway. That it looks pretty much the same means he was able to maintain a humanoid form like that naturally. ZeroSD 23:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that the implications suggest that Barragan was once a Vasto Lorde, judging by his humanoid features (which have been pointed out). I think that it is safe to assume that Barragan was not an Arrancar in his flashback - that must have been the "power" that Aizen had spoken of. Mohrpheus 15:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Thats speculative at best and, secondly the release is just the arrancar regaining its true hollow powers. Grimmjaw looked similar to a panther in his hollow form and his released form is similar to that panther form but humanoid. From what is shown Aizen, Tosen and Gin where all captains at the time, Seeing as Gin became a captain somewhere around 49 years ago or less. this meeting seems to have taken place inbetween that time, assuming that it didn't take place after rukia had been captured but before she was to executed. Barragans form then looks the same as it does currently besides the different crowns. The privion never had augmentation by the hogyoku but it seems that barragan was picked because of his authority basically gained by his strength and power. Apparently from what the interactions His time based abilities are from hogyoku augmentation as he didnt use them to combat against Aizen at the time or they were at least not of the level they are currently. But he does seem to be an arrancar before meeting Aizen.Salubri 19:18, September 6, 2009 (UTC)