Forum:Zanpakuto Arc

I am really excited for this arc to see and gain more info on zanpakuto and to gain more understanding of the various zanpakuto spirits which we most likely would never see otherwise. My only issue is how are the shinigami supposed to fight in this situation they have no releases and i guess that means back to basics. I would also surmise that the reason the general was captured compared to the others is that he is so old and his zanpakuto his so attuned to him it probably wont turn against him no matter the spell its to old and powerful. I could be off we will see but also notice they sent the three oldest and most powerful zanpakuto spirits after his to him (minzuki-unohana, sode no kotowari-ukitake, and katen kokotsu-kyoraku). I also think its obvious that most likely maratsuma is a rogue zanpakuto spirit, it might not be it either but i dont know we will see.Salubri 03:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

This filler is gunna be uber-epic pwnage. I'm wanting to see Zaraki's, Benihime, and Yoruichi's zanpaktou spirits. I was surprised Senbonzakura Kageyoshi looks like that, I was expecting a Muramasa-type appearence. Only 6 days till 231! woot!

yeah this arc is gonna freakin awesome but i highly doubt that were gonna see anyones zanpakuto spirit that havent shown atleast shikai. i wonder if everyones gonna fight there own. it would be awesomeOne eyed king 04:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

EPIC TO THE MAX!!!! MORE INFO!!!! MORE ACTION!!!

But seriously...............this arc is gunna be awesome :D Kazeshini is awesome, BERSERKER!!!! Such a contrast to Shūhei. Tobiume is just like Momo, quiet and polite

I'm liking the Zanpakuto info sessions that are at the end of the episodes.

AuronValentine 04:49, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

We've seen Zaraki's and Urahara's, and I'm sure they will. If not, it could end up like an Ichigo vs Hichigo type of thing, where the one with the greatest will wins.

HOLD THE PHONE!!!!! Who has seen Zaraki's and Urahara' zanpakuto?

if your referring to the lady with the eyepatch and skull ornament, she belongs to Shunsui Kyoraku AuronValentine 04:55, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

My bad :p I meant to say we've seen thier Shikai. As Zaraki is constant release and Urahara when he fought Yammy. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Ugcaveman

AAHHH!!!!! No probs dude :D

AuronValentine 06:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Just as a side note/idea, do you think they took Yamamoto to release his zanpakutos spirit, think bout it, incredible power, oldest known zanpakuto and has never been beaten in combat (that we know of) =  one bad ass spirit

any thoughts? AuronValentine 07:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

just a couple of quick questions
 * 1 could the spirit with the heavy weights, chains, and looks like he is shriveled up,[] be the spirit of zaraki's (as zangetsu noted that like zaraki he is weakening himself to lengthen his fights)
 * 2 while in ichigo's inner world zangesu said it was not his vioce??? any opinions on this

Fawcettp 08:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The guy with all the weights is Wabisuke, Izuru's zanpakuto, in the episode, you can clearly see him holding his shikai form. and the thing with ichigo in his inner world was probably Muramasa trying to convert Zangetsu, but couldn't reach him.. AuronValentine 08:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I think Zangetsu will be excepted as well as Benihime and Yoruichi's zanpakuto as they are in the real world, where Muramusa wants to take over Soul Society, perhaps he cannot reach those that are in the real world. That would make sense to me at least. Also keeping Zangetsu on Ichigo's side makes for many potentially awesome fights and purely for that I think he'll stay with Ichigo. BollyW 08:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

ok i guess that makes sense (plus ichigo gets power from both hollow and zangetsu so uber sweat battles ahead), ok so what about the 2 guys to the left of the spirit with the mace Fawcettp 09:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

the one in the cloak, not a clue the one with the box on his back and long pole, is possibly Chōjirō Sasakibe zanpakuto, Gonryōmaru, cause in the credits it shows him shifting into the shape of rapier. hope that helps :D AuronValentine 09:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

It showed promise. Well, the 3 oldest had to gang bang Yamamoto to get him out of the way.. Ichigo will retain Zengetsu? Hmm, makes sense, otherwise I see a bunch of Shinigami getting owned without a chance to fight back.. Deimonos 18:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

From what is given it seems zangetsu turns on ichigo as well and urahara and yoruichi aren't really involved in the arc on any real level as in most fillers. the general idea is to have the spirits go one on one with those that know them deeply the best, their wielders. The question here is how are the shinigami gonna fight them, is it gonna be something reminiscent to the subjugation process for bankai. We will see but next episode up is senbonzakura vs. byakuya.Salubri 19:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The episode was nice. i wonder how the shinigami will fight without their zanpakto let alone against them. I have a feeling ichigo will come being he has hollow and shinigami powers. Also who is this maramuro guy n how did he make the spirits go rogue--Jwill35 22:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well I never though I hear people get so exited over a filler arc. Is usually "oh! man filler again" or "I hate fillers" or something like that but I guess is to be expected since is about the one thing everyone has been dying to learn about Zanpakuto spirits. From the way te first episode turn out I think that's all the spirits we gonna see maybe Ichigo's Zangetsu and Hanataro's Hisogamaru. As for The Sotaicho's I think is that figure that appears during the end credits sitting down. I doubt that will see Zaraki and Yashiru's since nothing is known on them which is way the kind of wrote them off as being somewhere else. But as far as filler go this is probably the best idea for one they have had, I mean theres even more talk on this than other topics such as WW's Resurrecion Vizards Zanpakuto's Shikais and Bankai's. GO Spirits. WhiteStrike 22:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

i agree i mean i dont even watch fillers but this is actually good i wanted see my fav character kenpachi but he ainy he aint come. hopefully he will cuz of his personality but who knows. --Jwill35 22:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering if all the zanpakuto spirits will be able to use their full power(bankai). I know that the owner must subjugate the spirit to gain bankai but with them being free does that mean we may see new powers of those who have only achieved shikai? For that matter will their powers even resemble the powers we have seen of the swords. I mean Komamura's Tenken wasn't a giant in the episode and we had never seen Komamura use fire in any of his attacks....any thought on this? Unus7484 00:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm also quite excited about this Arc.. But I think these spirits are mearly ones with human shapes. For instance, we have seen Zabimaru as a white baboon with a snake tail. But in this arc it appears to be a green fured woman with a child on a chain. At the end of the episode, during the credits we can see the spirits turning into their respective Zanpakuto. The three you see enter the 1st squad barracks to me appear as Katen Kyokotsu (purple), Sogyo no Kotowari (children), and Minazuki (cloaked woman). At the end, when Muramasa summons those few Zanpakuto I would say its (from left to right) Kazeshini, Gegetsuburi, Hozukimaru, Zabimaru (both), Tobiume, Suzumebachi, Gonryomaru, Fuji Kujaku, Wabisuke, and Sode no Shirayuki.

If the spirits fight against their then how the shinigami fair being they cant use shikai o bankai. In the the case with ichigo will his hollow come and help him or is he stuck out like everyone else. O yea is the reason the spirits took yamamoto because he so in tune with his zanpakto--Jwill35 04:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm excited to see how this filler pans out. However I think it's a little suss to think the Zanpakutuo would ever 'turn' on their owners. Because although we visualise them as being seperate, they are undeniably just a part of the soul of each individual Shinigami. That said the idea of them fighting off their 'bad side' is stll interesting, though not new. I do however find it hard to believe that someone like Unohana would not be at peace with her soul =S

I have to agree with the opening post that the villain of this arc is probably a rogue zampakto spirit. And I have a sneaking suspician, since we haven't seen Kempachi yet, that its his zampakto doing it. Great Cthulhu 21:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Just a thought: when a shinigami fights and deafeats their own sword spirit, it usually results in them achieving bankai. So, what happens if everyone has to fight their sword spirit - do they all get bankai, or do you think they're all going to fight other shinigami's sword spirits, end up not fighting at all, or some other solution? QuoteRadar 22:06, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

i was wondering in the new arc if zangetsu comes out dose that me hollow ichigo will come out to cause there ment to be part of eachother right?

kenpachi will beat those spirits..cause he can fight like hell even without the help of his zanpakutou...LOL...XD... nah' thought..murumasa guy was byaku's zanpakutou at first...who the hell d'ya think is him? can't wait fo' da next episodE....weeee...

Voices?
Does anyone know who does the voices of the Zanpakuto spirits who have spoke so far? Or at least Muramasa's? Orochidayu 01:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

You can find the list of voice actors on Anime News Network's Bleach page. QuoteRadar 22:06, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

zampakuto arc
The fillers are made to give more informations or explanations about characters past or special periods. At the beginning of episode 230 (zampakuto's filler), the first picture showed that the filler will be concentrated on the swords release states, then at the end of the episode (Ichigo's sword part) Mayuri said that his explanation is a hint for this arc. Now, who is Muramasa? I don't know, but where are the missing zampakuto's spirits of Nanao Ise, Tetsuzaemon, Yachiru, Zaraki, Benihime or Ryujin Jakka... Masamune reminds me of Byakuya Kuchiki's grandfather Ginrei Kuchiki cold temper. Some hints could lead to Masamune's identity: male, white skin, black hair and eyes marks, long nails, fingers movements, blue fire or wind power, sword's guard, respected/feared by all other zampakuto's spirits and the sign appearing during his sword's release. Kyoraku Shunsui seemed to understand something, note his face when Hyorinmaru and the others appeared... Assuming that to achieve Bankai (as said by Yoruichi to Ichigo in episode 45), Shinigamis have to materialize and subjugate their zampakuto's spirit, how strong could be the spirits they would lose against captain's level shinigamis. Of course, Muramasa's power is another problem. Quite interesting, Bleach characters ressemble a lot to Sengoku Musou or Basara's games. Kazeshini looks like Sasuke Sarutobi or Nnoitra to Masamune Date in Sengoku basara 2 (http://www.capcom.co.jp/sengoku2heroes/main.html).
 * In regards to where are the other Zanpakutō question you asked, I think it's just a matter of feasibility. If they showed a Zanpakutō spirit for every known and named one, that'd be 31 (just counting the ones from manga and anime). Possibly, some of the missing ones will come in to play later, but it's my suspicion that the writers probably just intend to limit the arc to include the most well-known/well-liked individuals and/or the ones where the most information has been given from the manga, so as to not go completely away from canon. Twocents 02:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Assuming that some captains are present with their lieutenants, it would be normal to see Nanao Ise who always follow her captain or Ukitake's ones. Also everyone's wondering about Zaraki and his lieutenant, plus, every spirits of the presented characters were shown but Komamura's lieutenant's (Tetsuzaemon) not. My question asked no answers, next episodes would answer it anyway.
 * Please remember to sign your posts. About the zanpakutos you mentioned, with the exception of Ryujin Jakka and Benihime, none of them have been shown even in the manga, we don't know their names, techniques, powers etc. If the animators just invented them, and then Kubo decided to add them to the manga storyline, it would cause confusion among the fans. Though I do wonder about Itegumo, since Isane herself said that he/she was being "unresponsive" lately. Lia Schiffer 07:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Im curious about this. During the ending credits, after you see Katen Kyokotsu and the Zanpakuto, the picture is colored purple with pillars in the ground (22:37). At first glance I thought that was Byakuya. But pausing and looking at it, I dont recall seeing that spirit. Could anyone clarify that for me? Also, just I thought - but maybe its Muramasa and his Zanpakuto back however many years ago.
 * My guess was that it is Byakuya, but I'm not entirely sure either. As a friendly reminder, you should sign your posts by putting ~ at the end of your comments. Twocents 06:02, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

yeah thats wut i thought at first to but if u look close the person has short hair. at least i think thats wut i sawOne eyed king 06:22, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I looked closer at the scene, but I don 't understand your confusion. The pillars are obviously Senbonzakura Kageyoshi. I took a screenshot and pointed out the details that confirm that it's Byakuya (the scarf, his gloves, his captain haori; and you can get the silhoutte of Senbonzakura's hilt and the kenseikan if you squint). But still, the silhouette doesn't looke like anyone besides Byakuya. Especially not Muramasa since he doesn't have the long nails. Lia Schiffer 07:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

still idk. it just doesnt look like him to me. his head dont look like its him to meOne eyed king 07:28, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I see from your picture. All the stuff, glove, scarf etc. is what made me believe that it was Byakuya.. And the pillars did look like his Bankai. But its his hair and the spirit in the background that threw me off. Muramasa might not of always had long nails :PKamikazeNewf 12:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I really think that this is arc is going to be fantastic !! I like how they developed the characters ... Who is Muramasa anyway ?? I rwally thought at first that it was Aizen's!! I don't think that it's Kenpachi's zanpakutou though .. Well, I predict that Ichigo's hollow powers will save the day !! But what about the Shinigami ?? Without their shikais how can they battle their zanpakutou ??!! I can't wait for the new episodes coming up !!