Forum:Zaraki after Tosen

I know this has been an issue of debate, but, I believe the manga shows fairly concrete evidence Tosen became a Captain before Zaraki.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/146/02/

From what the flashback shows, we see Tosen with a haori as Zaraki claims his. The only other explanation is his jacket from serving under Kensei, but, that had a turned up and noticeable collar. Thus, I believe that perhaps this clears things up. One eye 17:15, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, that picture shows Komamura standing beside Tousen (look above the speech bubble), so this had to be after TBtP, since Komamura was not a captain during TBtP, nor did he wear the white coats of the ninth division guys. Just in case anyone asks, you can tell it is Komamura because he is so much taller than Tousen (the shoulder is higher up than Tousen's head), has a sleeveless haori with a black sleeve sticking out of it, and has those armour things on his shoulder. --Yyp 17:34, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Despite the fact that Kubo like many creators can choose to later change his mind on such things which in this case he seems to have done. There really is no concrete evidence to prove it regardless of a little flashback by tosen, it can be dispelled by actual confirmation through conversation or a full detailed flashback discussing past events similar to tbtp.Salubri 17:38, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Wow, very interesting. I never noticed that. By this picture its my understanding that Zarkai became captain after Tousen and Komamura. But like Salubri stated Kudo can later choose to change this since it was never confirmed by conversation or more detailed flash back. Although I dont see where Kudo has changed this Salubri unless your stating about the comment made in the TBTP series which still does not 100% confirm it. But I personally feel between this picture and the Bount Arc (Yes I'm playing that card). That Zarkai did in fact become Captain after TBTP and was not the Kenpachi missing from the Captains meeting.Quadrupus 18:39, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Well if your going that route then you would have to prove that zaraki does not fit the traits they describe in the conversation or that he didn't kill the previous captain of the 11th division, which we know for a fact that he did as well as the only known captain to do so. Also TbTP takes place as the newest material from kubo himself, the bount arc is just anime filler taking place right after the defection of aizen (who knows who had there hands in that). Not to mention as noted the white jacket was common issue during the time of muguruma's captaincy. Also in the bount arc tosen's appearance is slightly different.Salubri 18:50, September 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * We don't know who is standing near Tosen, and for me it seems to be someones standing on the foreground and Tosen is watching from the background. In the TBTP, Love stated that it is a habit from the Kempachis to beat the previous one by strength use (it is a Kempachi trait), then there is nothing confirming that Zaraki was captain before nor after Tosen. Anyway, Zaraki and Yachiru have a confused timelines that would be explained next by Kubo.Baronofash 22:00, September 12, 2009 (UTC)