Talk:List of Arrancar

Espada Rankings
Until the time it is clearly revealed within the manga itself comes, Halibel's, Stark's and Barragan's ranks are considered to be unknown. Wiki's are about facts with clear evidence, people, not fan speculations no matter how true they may be later on.

Also, Grimmjow is still alive. Read chapter 287. If i'm wrong, then prove it by telling me what chapter it was that he died.


 * Szayel Aporro Granz never died... He's just paralysed, why does people say he's deceased? Metus 11:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Szayel is dead he was stabbed but because of his hyper senses it felt like an eternity for him WhiteStrike 16:53, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I still don't believe he's dead... Metus 10:44, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Why isn't Tesla marked as dead. The guy was cut in half? And surely Cuulhorn is dead to, Yumi did say to him "When the flowers bloom it will be over for you..." Noble Skuld the Legend Killer 01:10, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

What the?
Where in the world did you get the names of some of the arrancars listed here? Barragan's fraccions, D-roy and Nakeem, Grimmjow and Ulquiorra. Please cite the reference where you got them so that they will be considered as correct.

They were revealed in Bleach volume 38. And remember to sign your posts.Lia Schiffer 01:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Harribel's Fraccion
I noticed that this page lists her fraccion (Mila Rose, Sun Sun and Apache) as being deceased, while their respective pages list their condition as unknown/unconfirmed, because while Harribel said they're dead and believes them to be dead, Yamamota said he didn't attack them as hard as he could, out of respect for their fighting spirit. Perhaps the descriptions of their conditions should be the same? Twocents 01:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Yamamoto implied that he didn't kill them, while Harribel thinks they're dead. I'd say that creates sufficient doubt so as to list their status as unconfirmed for now. If the current battles end and we see no sign of them being alive, then I guess that would be as good as confirmation of their deaths, but until then, they're status is unknown as far as I'm concerned. Yyp 12:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

That was my thought too. In order for the pages to remain consistent, I changed their statuses back to being "unconfirmed" on this page. Twocents 21:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * They are dead. What Yamamoto said was "I shall give your souls mercy and simply burn them away". What's he is basically saying he is giving them a quick death. And than there is Harribel's statement she doesn't say she wants revenge for almost killing them she actually states that they are dead as plain and clear as day. There is no implication anywhere that they are alive. WhiteStrike 01:56, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * All of their character pages and the Numeros page need to be changed then, because they all list their deaths as unconfirmed. Personally, with the vagueness of Yamamota's quote (coupled with his distaste for killing people, as seen with how he was going to leave Allon alive, if the pet hadn't continued attacking) and seeing them talk when they were supposed to be killed by his attack is enough for me to think there's a chance they're still alive (especially considering the insane amount of attacks that these people can survive, such as Allon's surviving being cut in half and Rangiku surviving losing half of her side) and that Harribel is simply mistaken, which is why I won't change it myself. But if the admins' official stance is that they're deceased, then I won't revert those changes either. Twocents 02:45, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Deceased vs unconfirmed
Ok I for one am really, really sick of having to revert people's edits to the status of Grimmjow, Loly and Menoly. Last we saw Gimmjow he was breathing. He might have stopped breathing since but we don't know that. Until we get confirmation he is alive. On Loly and Menoly, they did in fact appear in volume sketchs for volume 39. Ishida saved Menoly from falling by pinning her to the wall by the seat of her pants and Loly, as far as I know, was just brushed aside by Yammy. Those two are most definitely not dead yet! Dordonii Alessandro Del Socacchio, Cirucci Thunderwitch and Rudobōn are probably dead but frankly I don't care about the arrancar enough to insist one way or the other. So enough with the changing status. If you feel strongly that they are dead, make your case here and we'll consider changing. But no more just editing. I honestly have better things to do (see Forum:Volume_a_week_club) then continuously revert premature changes. Tinni 17:05, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

I posted the following on the Espadas talk:page, but no one answered so I moved it here.

We all know Gantenbainne is alive, but can't we say Dordonii & Circucci are deceased. There deaths were pretty well shown. There is no reason to say presumably, because the deaths of both the third & first Espadas weren't confirmed any more then theres was.

These two are the only one I feel should be change. Grimmjow, Menoly, Loly, & Rudobon in my opinion are fine the way they are. So, can I get any reasons why Circucci & Dordoni have to stay presumably deceased? Minato88 19:38, October 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * It was heavily implied that Ciriucci & Dordonii were killed by the Exequias, so it is likely that they are indeed dead. I'd agree with that. But before anyone goes changing the article, I would like to know if there is anyone who can make an argument that they are still alive, or what reason there is for doubting their deaths? I'm sure there was a valid reason why it has been left as unconfirmed for all this time. --Yyp 19:45, October 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Naw, I doubt there is, unless, as I mentioned before (except is was with Starrk and Harribel), they turn up later alive, or if someone shows up and declares them to be alive. Arrancar109 19:53, October 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * These are some very good questions. While it is true that the last we saw of these people: Coyote Starrk, Lilynette Gingerback, Tia Hallibel, Apache, Mila-Rose, Sun-Sun, Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez, Tesla, Rudobone, Cirucci Sanderwicci, and Dordonii Alessandro Del Socacchio, Menoly, and Loly; they were either unconscious, or still alive, but their pages either list them as unconfirmed or Deceased.

My opinion is how are we to know if Starrk/Lilynette and Hallibel are deceased, if the last time we saw them, they were jsut falling out of the sky. They could be unconscious, and for one, we never saw their bodies hit the ground. So, they should be unconfirmed. Grimmjow, we all know is alive. The last time he was seen, he was being protected by Ichigo. Still breathing.

Menoly and Loly, although some people think they are dead, Yammy did not kill them. Like someone said, Menoly was resting against Uryû's legs, and Loly was unconscious with Yasutora.

Tesla, the last we saw him, he was laying o9n the ground, crying over Nnoitra's death. So yeah, he's alive.

Rudôbone, nobody cares.

Apache, Mila-Rose, and Sun-Sun, Yamamoto even said he did not attack them with enough force to kill them, and just because Hallibel states that they are dead (and I'm not saying anything bad about Hallibel, cause I LOVE her), Uh, HELLO! Is she a doctor? I think not. They are still unconscious, as the others are and have yet to wake back up/come out of their comas.

Dordonii and Cirucci, they were executed by Rudôbone. End of story. I mean, come in! In one episode, you can see shadowy figures of their bodies hanging from Szayel Aporro's ceiling! Nobody else is killed before this! And Szayel Aporro WAS the one who dispatched the Exequias!

I think I have made my point!

Kiran.

sigh Once again, Apache, mila-rose and sun-sun were confirmed to be dead by Ichimaru Gin during the Arrancar Encyclopedia segement at the end of episode 231. His exact words were "They can't rest in peace unless we do this". I don't know about you, but I have never heard the term rest in peace being applied to living character. If the anime called time of death, we can follow suit. As for Starrk and Harribel, show me something that is not wishful thinking and I will entertain the notion that they are alive. However, reading the manga objectively makes it very clear that those to are dead and finished. I agree, however, that Dordonii and Cirucci should be listed as deceased. Tinni 09:08, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for agreeing with me about Cirucci and Dordonii, and I can agree with you on the Fraccion part, but asd for Hallibel and Starrk, where does it say that they are actually deceased? Sure, we see them falling out of the sky, but how does that say that they are for sure dead?

And what about Tesla, Menoly and Loly?

Kiran.

Last time we saw Tesla he was crying because Nnoitra just died, i.e. he was very much alive. He might have died since then but we can't be sure. I have mentioned this already but I'll repeat, Menoly has been shown in the volume sketches for volume 39, she was saved from falling by Ishida. Who pinned her to the wall with an arrow. Loly was just brushed aside by Yammy. We don't even know how severely she was injured. As such their status is clearly "unconfirmed" but most likely alive but injured. Starrk wasn't just about falling from the sky, he fell from the sky after receiving a sever injury to his hollow hole AND having a dramatic end of life flashback. He is dead as dead can be. Even his words as he fell showed clearly that he knew his life was coming to an end. Harribel was stabbed twice by Aizen and the second time wasn't just a "stab through the shoulder" he stabbed through the shoulders and slashed to such an extent that there was blood splatter consistent with a sever slash. The higher quality scans for Maximum7 showed this clearly and Mashiro Kuno said she was dead. We will take the word of a in-manga character unless we have compelling reason to doubt them. We do not in this case. Harribel and Starrk are dead and their status is not up for debate. Any further discussion on their status will have to happen on the forum topic on this issue Forum:Starrk_and_Harribel. Tinni 13:04, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * On top of what Tinni just said, it is clear from the scans that Starrk's body is beginning to disintegrate. His clothes are falling apart & mask remains are completely shattered (from an attack that didn't go near his head, or injure his face in any way). --Yyp 13:31, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Like I said, I could care lessa bout Starrk/Lilynette... what I am focusing on is Hallibel and the fact that she is not dead!

Insisting she is alive isn't going to get her status changed unless you can show some compelling proof from the manga. In addition, like I said, her status is not up for discussion without further proof/development. Any further discussion on this topic will have to happen in the forums. Tinni 13:56, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, hey you, you! Yes, you! Stop that.

Oh, and until you can show me substantial evidence that she is dead dead dead stone cold dead, then i shall refuse to believe it!