Forum:Canon

I'm not trying to change any policies with this post just opening up some fun discussion since this is a forum, but I wondered why most people consider Canon only from the Manga. I understand the main concept of Kubo drew it therefor it is Canon, the Anime he did not draw it and is not involved on a daily basis so it can not be canon. I understand that. But what I wanna know is why it is different then say star wars for example. there are books written by authors other then george lucas that become star wars canon because they are approved by Lucas. I would assume the same could be said about manga. I was reading interviews with kubo and he is given the amine on tape before it is aired, he sees the movies before they are made even giving suggestion like with the diamond dust rebellion saying to add, "execute hitsugiya toushiro" because he thought it would shock fans. so what im getting at is, they wouldn't do anything that kubo didn't like with the anime or movies because he sees them and gives some input albeit not on a everyday or probably every week basis. But i bring this up with the recent speculations of kouga and the kuichki family. I dont think they would add something kubo didn't like or would have planed on doing something down the road. Anyways i wanted the opinions of some people on apart from "if he didnt draw it its not canon" answer. IMO i look at the anime and movies and quasi canon cause even if it is minimal involvement kubo has sometype of hand in it. just wanted to specualate with other peoples on here. Shillagan 02:12, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure this belongs in the watercooler. Moving it to Bleach-related discussion and the short answer to your question is, it doesn't matter how "involved" Kubo is. Much of the filler and the movies take place in an alternate reality. Much like the game, the storyline for most of whom was written by Kubo himself. Bount was the only filler that allowed to bleed into the manga based episodes and I am assuming people complained about that, which is why the studio has been bending over backwards to keep filler content seperate from canon content. Tinni  (Talk)  02:52, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Having input is not the same as drawing and writing yourself. The major issue is although the anime and movies have established content from the manga it has largely story-lines that cannot and do not coincide with the timeline of the manga. Taking place at times that are in direct conflict of the manga timeline and having issues and situations that are never referred back to in the series as manga doesn't recognize it as having happened. Prime example there have been three fillers and both have taken place the same time as the current and more relevant storyline has been going on. logically why would anyone bother in the situations that took place when there are more pressing issues. This makes sense to the fact that they are filler arcs only meant to take up time so that the actual story can be worked on as far as anime episodes are concerned. Movies are even harder to place in the overall timeline and content of the series. While Kubo may sign off on alot of things involving the series he created he himself did not create the material your talking about into the source material from which the series stems from, the manga. That is why we try to maintain the separation of the anime filler and certainly the movies from the manga based material. Salubri (Talk)  03:26, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

I personally look at everything as having happened and suspend disbelief in regards to the time-line, where there are contradictions then the manga based material takes precedence, but to me, the Bount incident happened, Koga and RanTao are living somewhere out there, Kouga was part of the Kuchiki family, etc. to me its not a separate world. In other fictional universes I have taken a stricter stance on my personal canon but in most other universes the original creater doesn't have the same creative control over the ancillary content generated based on his creation that Tite Kubo seems to have, as the OP stated in the top post and likewise you there is a greater carefulness on the part of the show/movie creators regarding not disrupting the main plot. Jason D 05:07, February 17, 2010 (UTC)