Forum:Shinigami Character Discussion

Just because a whole bunch of discussion have popped up about various shinigami characters, I am merging. Just to be clearly, I am only merging topics that wasn't about much/were extremely small and not likely to be much longer. I did not merge character threads that were long/had a lot of discussion happening. Tinni 10:05, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Shiba Kaien
I've tried finding a forum regarding Kaien Shiba but didn't found any (please direct me to it if it exists). I just thought of this. Kaien Shiba was a prodigy, and has been a lieutenant at least from TBTP to until Rukia has joined the Gotei 13. My question is when did Gin and Tousen became captains? If they became captain before Rukia joined the 13th squad,  I find it odd that Kaien was not promoted to be a captain. Is he just so humble and was contended to be Ukitake's lieutenant? What are your other theories?--WinterFox 07:54, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Gin became captain the same time Byakuya did. Which was shortly before Rukia joined the Gotei 13 (http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/145/05/). Approximately 40 years before the start of the main storyline. The latter is based on Renji's comment that he and Rukia seperated about 40 years ago, when she was adopted in the Kuchiki family. That is also about the time the Kuchiki family pulled some strings and got Rukia into the Gotei 13 before she completed her course in the Shinigami Academy and exempted her from sitting the entrance exam.
 * Clearly Shiba Kaien never achieved bankai. Not everybody does prodigy or not. Case in point, Renji, Kira and Hinamori were all considered exceptional students and as students Kira and Hinamori were better then Renji in everything but swordsmanship. They even became vice-captains before Renji. But Renji achieved bankai while as far as we know neither Kira nor Hinamori have bankai. In addition, clearly some zanpakutos are harder to achieve bankai with then others. Neither Rangiku nor Yumichika have bankai and when they started training to achieve it because of the arrancar they complained about how hard it is to control their zanpakuto. So I don't see what the great mystery is. It has been made pretty clear that Bankai is something special and that is why under normal circumstances, out of 3000 shinigami in the Gotei 13 only 13 shinigami are usually capable of it. Tinni 09:53, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand your point Tinni. But I read somewhere that Kaien was also a child prodigy, much like Gin.  I just find it odd that his skill didn't progress as what would expect of a child prodigy especially coming from a noble clan.--WinterFox 03:36, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * "child" prodigy? Kaien was a prodigy, having completed the six year shinigami academy course in two years. But a "child"? I can't agree with that. We don't know what Kaien looked like when he graduated. I.e. he might not have been a child. Also, I still don't see what you are getting at. Byakuya himself said that even amongst the noble, only a shinigami attains bankai every few generations. Meaning, not all nobles do achieve bankai. In addition, assuming he had the ability, Kaien would still have to actively train to achieve bankai. Perhaps he simply had no desire to do so. He is one of the few shinigami we know of who had a wife and a living family. Perhaps he simply had other priorities in his life other then achieving bankai. Whether they are capable of it or not, not everybody is interested in climbing the corporate ladder so to speak. Due to Ukitake's illness, Kaien was effectively running the 13th Division. In addition, during Kaien's time, Soul Society was not aware of facing any greater threat then what they usually face. Which is different from now, being in a state of open war has prompted both Yumichika and Rangiku to start bankai training. So Kaien had no motivation to achieve bankai. He already had all the powers of being a captain without having any of the responsibility, seeing as Ukitake would be the one who would have to answer for any screw-ups. He didn't know of any enemies he had to have bankai to fight. Apart from an increase in salary, and Kaien might well have been earning more then the average lieutenant given his increase responsibility, what possible desire could Kaien have to train for and achieve bankai? Tinni 04:04, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * i see your point. That's why i asked what could be the reason(s) he was not/has not been promoted to be a captain. Also i didn't mean that he must achieved bankai since he is noble.  I just thought that he who has more experienced than Gin would also be as strong, if not stronger, than Gin is.  but then again, I agree with what you stated that "not everybody is interested in climbing the corporate ladder." I can accept this reason... =) --WinterFox 06:13, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Abarai Renji
Renji has been severely weakened now... for a character that was really popular, shouldnt he have more powers? his bankai has been very boring as of late....

1) Sign your signature, 2) No Renji shouldn't have an upgrade. Continuous upgrade to power is what DBZ is about. In Bleach most characters have to train. Renji will undoubtedly get stronger if he takes the time to train but he doesn't have that luxury right now. Perhaps it is time for Renji to exit stage left. Perhaps he will. After all, the field of characters in Bleach is pretty crowded and I have no doubt it will be thinning one way or another very soon. Tinni 10:05, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Shikai
Mhmm can someone please tell me why his spirits sword doesn't resemble anything likes sasakibes shikai form?

just guessing but maybe since he likes western culture so much he had his shikai changed.Soul reaper magnum 12:37, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Bankai
i think sasakibe has achieved a bankai. he seems to be on par with a captain.

How do you figure that given hasn't even fought yet in the manga and the one time he tried, he got taken out by Ichigo in a second. Tinni 10:45, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

I know its just anime.......but didnt Soifon say that his zanpakuto spirit was of captain class power? Unus7484 02:54, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Vice-"captains" are still "captain-class". It is fairly well established that Vice-captains are considered something else and do in fact have to sit special exams and such to gain their rank. The difference in power between a Vice-captain and a third seat is considerable. Therefore "captain-class" can include vice-captains. It depends on how strictly you apply the term. Soifon was clearly using the term broadly. Tinni 03:05, November 14, 2009 (UTC)