Bleach Wiki talk:Administrators

Templates
We apparently have an issue with some of the templates on the site. Namely the translation template. Now majority of templates besides the ones that have done are generic and linked from the animapedia sight. Now the biggest issue as i said is the translation one which if you click it apparently puts down a translation template that is a numbered list. A format that we do not use on the wiki, i looked at it last night and couldn't decipher truly what was wrong, once more i couldn't go about making a original one just for this sight as i was uncertain how to go about it at the time. Anyhow we all need to be aware of it and find all the ones that come from that sight. Until they can be replaced with something original to the sight they may continue to be a problem. Until the translation template can be fixed, its probably best to just inform those users that use it that its wrong and explain which kind we do use. They shouldn't be held accountable unless they don't listen to the instructions of the right way to do it. On top of that there seems to be a few templates or styles that we use here that may not be listed anywhere and they need to be, unfortunately i can't think of any off the top of my head but i know that we have used them in the past couple of weeks when certain users have done the opposite. So if anyone can recall one, make sure you list it on the manuel of style. Salubri 22:56, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Colors and templates
Hey so I know we have kind of had the conversation about colors before, but i was thinking we should get into using the colors deeper on the site. Now what i mean is possibly haveing a set color scheme for various things. Usually with universal things Red/Blue/White are the traditional bleach colors. For Arrancar/Espada white and black. For shinigami maybe division colors where applicable.

There are also some new templates to start using There is a block template now for those getting blocked to be placed on their talk page as well as an inactive template. Im also currently working on a bunch of other templates. Salubri (Talk)  00:22, December 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * I like the block & inactive templates. And the new stub template. Looks much better. The hide/show thing on the navigation templates takes a bit if getting used to, but I think on pages that have more than two of them, it saves a lot of space. Good work. -- Yyp  (Talk)  22:34, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm in favor of the templates as well. They actually help clear a few things up (especially WhiteStrike's condition), so I think it would benefit us in the long-run as well. Arrancar109 (Talk)  05:25, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I'm liking the new colours on the Zanpakutō page. That's really good. The tables on their own make it look much better, but with the colours, it's great. -- Yyp  (Talk)  00:21, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Yea that took a while but i put it together the way i wanted and it came out pretty good i think. Im trying to come up with something for the characters but the infoboxes aren't easy to make but adding color to it is.Salubri (Talk)  05:55, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Deletion
Ok for a while now there have been a handful of things on the site that we have let slide but shouldn't be allowed and should be deleted. Namely im referring to Shinigamification largely a made up word never used in the bleach universe at all and therefore can't be a article. Another is the page for zanpakuto techniques not sure why there is redirects to techniques used by a zanpakuto that seems sort of ridiculous but none the less im not sure why the page exists if you want to look up a technique maybe going to the article of the wielder would be better. I just dont see the likelihood of someone putting that information in a search. I think the main person doing that is Shadow Dragon and im sure he has been told before not to. I looked at the redirect policy and while it somewhat refers to it i dont think it has a specific policy against it. Last but not least the biggest issue we have let slide is ichigo's Getsuga Tenshō. The page is totally unnecessary considering that most of the information on it is already on the article page. Not to mention that it specifically goes against the manuel of style. In any case the page shouldn't exist as it is a ability that only ichigo possesses not something useable by others. Salubri (Talk)  03:18, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I'm for deleting Shinigamification and Getsuga Tenshō, since the first is not referred to at all, and the latter is listed in detail on Ichigo and Hollow Ichigo's pages, but I wasn't aware that there was a Zanpakuto technique page. I want to see it first, and when I do, you'll have my vote on that one. But yeah, Shinigamifciation and Getsuga Tenshō have my support to be deleted. Arrancar109 (Talk)  06:04, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I'm in favour of scraping the Getsuga page. Bar one sentence (which I've added to Ichigo's page) there was nothing there that was not on Ichigo's page already. I don't think it is worth listing the slight differences in his getsuga in the video games in an other media section beyond simply saying that the GT attack does vary from one game to the next. For the zanpakuto techniques, are you referring to the redirects such as Lanza del Rempalago and Nadegiri? -- Yyp  (Talk)  09:11, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Among what has been shown yes they are all redirects im just not sure of that anyone would put obscure techniques from the zanpakuto's into a search. Salubri (Talk)  09:24, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that a lot of them would likely never be used in a search. Something like Getsuga Tensho might be searched for, but not many other techniques would be, imo. Some of them might be used (once) in the episode summaries (powers & abilities section), but I think linking to the powers/abilities or zanpakuto sections would be more than good enough in those cases. We don't need redirects just for that. -- Yyp  (Talk)  09:32, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

The Antagonists page has attracted a couple of comments on its talk page about whether or not we need it. I don't see the point of it, but if there is a reason for keeping it, then I think it needs an overhaul, as recent edits to it have made it bloated and awkward to read. Thoughts? -- Yyp  (Talk)  21:15, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Im in agreement i don't think we really need an antagonist page. Salubri (Talk)  04:43, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I think maintaining the page itself is a lot more work than it should be, especially for an article that's rarely looked at. Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  04:57, December 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll put up a marked for deletion notice on the GT and Antagonists pages. -- Yyp  (Talk)  13:45, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Anime
Hey i know that there can be confusion with the anime sometimes so i figured that maybe we should have an official policy on it. Something along the lines of the manga is considered primary source while the anime is only considered secondary. By that we can infer that what takes place in filler arcs are not canon material as say anime that follows the manga based storyline. The confusion i think some have is when filler information is listed along with the manga information. In certain cases exceptions can be made for the filler information. As long as it doesn't conflict with the manga based material then it is a fine addition to the site as long as the reference for it details that it has only been showcased in the anime. Another example is the anime that is based on the manga canon sometimes to flesh out the story for tv they show more of a fight or backstory then what was portrayed in the manga. This is fine i think as well, once again it should be established in reference that this extension has only taken place in the anime. But only in the case that they dont conflict with the manga canon. Some information can do so such as the zanpakuto arc has a number of problems along this area. It mixes considerable and informative information with inaccuracies that further confuse and brings about more questions then it answers at some points. Example the generalized information about a zanpakuto is informative and useful to the understanding of the zanpakuto. On the other side the more specific information involving the spirits forms and battles and abilities are confusing and dont seem to mesh with what is already known or generally stated all that well. Another issue it brings up is Ginrei while he is a manga based character this is the first time seeing him in anime only content about something that seems significant to him and the backstory of the kuchiki family. While the information on this makes more sense in general its still anime only. To sum it up i guess the best thing to would have a policy that states the following.


 * Manga information is primary source material and Anime is secondary source material. While Manga takes precedent on the site anime is not to be discarded as it has character designs by Kubo himself as well as it is content signed off by him. In majority of cases the information presented in anime is the tv version of manga based material thus by and large the information presented is canonical.


 * In the event of information from the anime being extended and featuring material that was not in the manga such as extended fights and storyline to flesh out for tv viewing purposes are fine inclusions as long as it stated in references that they are only depicted in the anime.


 * Filler information while not canon due to inaccuracies in story timeline has some exceptions to the information to be included. In cases where the information presented does not conflict with what is known nor relies on story timeline to be accurate in canon material (such as powers and abilities) it can be placed in the article. (i.e. Yumichika, Yoruichi, Ukitake, Matsumoto, Hitsugaya using kido, as there is nothing in canon that says they can't or causes conflict and in fact it more supports the notion that they can given their established abilities or backgrounds). The obvious opposite to this is Ikkaku or Kenpachi using kido when it has been stated in canon that they have no knowledge of it, not that this has ever been shown. But the question of shunpo ability has been brought up and while there is canon belief that kenpachi doesn't use it but knows shunpo it can be supported by his use in some anime episodes.


 * Filler information directly at odds (majority of it) should not be placed at all while information under question of conflict should be determined if it is to be added by the policy and standards committee based on what is known from canon. If the filler information conflicts it should not be placed. In the event of undetermined canon material nothing should be listed until the manga can establish a bases for the information overall.


 * Generalized information that is not in conflict is allowed as long as references stating that this information has only be confirmed in the anime.

The other issue im not sure of is when a manga based characters information and backstory is largely featured in a anime only context. Im not sure what to do or how to handle that as it may never be presented in the manga. So id leave determined that to others. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  16:15, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Seems good. I'm willing to go along with that. About your final point - I'm not really sure about that either. All we can really do is add it with references stating that it is anime-only. -- Yyp  (Talk)  21:11, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Bleach Movie 4
I was wondering, since we are likely to see an influx of edits about it, how are we going to deal with the new movie. Would any plot info from it be treated as a spoiler? If so, a new section for it should be made on the spoiler page. And how would we treat it considering the timescale involved here (a year until its release and likely another 9 months until a sub becomes available) - do we not allow plot details to be added until it is released in English, or would we allow details to be posted once it is released in Japan? -- Yyp  (Talk)  12:57, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Committee Members
Just bringing it to everyones attention. A procedure for how to remove a member of the Committee (including the 1st seat) has been proposed here: direct link. -- Yyp  (Talk)  15:27, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Ichigo's page
Ok so Ichigo's page has been locked for maintenance and referencing, which as a major page it needs alot of extensive work. The problem is unlike normally this one requires far more then I alone can do. Im working on the powers and abilities section which is turning into a large chore all itself, somewhat equivalent of doing any others character entire article. In any case while im trying to handle that the problem is the rest of the article. It would be much appreciated if we could all work together to make it happen, as a major page he is gonna have alot of appearances in the up and coming anime and manga. The faster the page can be done the sooner it can opened back up otherwise we will have to just update it on are own until such time that we can reopen the page. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  02:51, January 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'll start work on the Appearance, Personality & History sections now. And I'll do the Agent of the Shinigami arc too. Once that's taken care of, I'll see what's left to do and claim some more sections. -- Yyp (Talk) 21:18, January 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, since I'm going through extensive editing through Amagai's page and plan to do Ran'Tao's page as well, I guess I can take both the Bount and Amagai arcs for Ichigo's page. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  21:29, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Concerned
Hey im a little concerned here. Where is WhiteStrike and where is Twocents. Like for admin they haven't been on and there really isn't any explanation as to why and im starting to wonder whats going on. Besides that the committee is looking i dont know spars. Like i know minato was having comp problems and his taking a break till he gets another one, which is fine. but some of the new members are on infrequently at best and therefore alot of the planned stuff doesn't get done. That removal idea is starting to look alot better. But considering these people made a big deal about joining the committee and now it feels like they arent the least bit bothered. No one has to be on everyday but more then once or two out of seven days would be ideal. I know people have stuff they need to do, but if they are that wrapped up then maybe they need to drop this so we can move on to those that are more open. Just some thoughts but we need to start finding people. Personally the fights project hasn't even been started cause nwang is never on now. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  19:52, January 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I emailed Twocents a few days ago, just to ask if she was alright and whether or not she thought she'd be back soon, but no response. I guess whatever is keeping her away from here is keeping her from answering emails too. I notice Arrancar109 hasn't made any edits since the 1st Feb. -- Yyp (Talk) 22:33, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Well its been a while and Twocents is still nowhere to be found, I checked her other site where she is an admin and she hasn't been there either. So im not sure what we do cause we are literally down to 3 admin total, which is the same as we had when Whitestrike was still active. Now its back to that same number and having two new admin defeats the purpose if one of the admin we had aren't really active on the site any longer and the other new one is AWOl. Im not sure what to do in this situation but we might need to take some action here. Because there are plenty of things not getting done and that doesn't help the site at all.<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  03:25, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Pic/Quote Vote Nominations
We have a small issue with the featured quote vote: the rules state that the quotes should be from Ju-Ni, but Ju-Ni do not typically release their scans until Monday (1st February). Should we use Cnet, as he also a reputable translator and already has a translation out (his translations tend to be broadly similar to Ju-Ni), or should we allow the quotes from ch390 to carry over to next month's vote? Changing the source we use for quotes would not prevent this issue in future, as it can still happen no matter which we use. So it would be better to either use Cnet as a reserve when Ju-Ni's translation is not available, or else let the quotes carry over to the next month. Also, there have been a couple of requests that pictures added so close to the deadline be carried forward into the next month too to make it fairer. -- Yyp (Talk) 19:24, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Spelling of Allon's and Lisa's Names
User:Thunderwitch has raised the issue of the spelling of Allon on the article's talk page (Talk:Allon). I checked, and there is no official spelling of its name in the chapters that it appeared in, so it would appear that this is the only remotely official source we have. -- Yyp (Talk) 16:11, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Same for Lisa Yadomaru's given name: Talk:Lisa Yadōmaru. -- Yyp (Talk) 21:53, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Synopsis
Kinda been putting bringing this up for a while mainly cause I forgot but. Considering the amount of information on the articles I think the use of the word synopsis is incorrect as a term to describe the arcs in the series. Plot would probably be a better term to use as synopsis limiting for something as extensive as the characters in the series have become. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  06:43, February 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. We've gone well beyond the point of being able to refer to them as synopsis or summaries. Plot, or role in story, or something like that would be more suitable. -- Yyp (Talk) 22:33, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

I think plot would be a good change for the pages. Its simple, small and conveys the message. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  23:28, February 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Makes sense. I'd go with that. -- Yyp (Talk) 16:44, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Zanpakuto List
Just curious is there a reason we have a zanpakuto listing. Ive been wondering for a while whats the point of it exactly. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  17:48, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know either. I never really look at the list page, not unless someone edits it. With the listings now on the Zanpakuto page, is there much need for it? The zanpakuto are listed in a different manner, but I don't know if that on its own is enough reason to have it. -- Yyp (Talk) 22:33, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yea I looked at it for the first time a minute and the only real difference is the translations for the release command which are on the specific pages and aren't commonly used when the english translation is far more popular and used. I say we get rid of it. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  23:28, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Translation
To make everyone aware. I had a conversation with MarqFJA and he has recently informed with this translation:

Yo. Just wanted to check up on the progress regarding the Hollow/Shinigami hybrid topic.

BTW, I finally managed to acquire raw scans of the two pages that I had brought up in our "Hollow-Shinigami hybrid" discussion on [Talk:Kaname Tōsen], and confirmed that the original terms used by Aizen are as follows:


 * Shinigami no Horoo-ka (死神の虚[ホロウ]化) - "Hollowification of Shinigami".
 * Horoo no Shinigami-ka (虚[ホロウ]の死神化) - "Shinigamification of Hollow(es)".

Note: The kanji 化, when used as a suffix, is virtually equivalent in purpose and meaning to English "-ification". As we can see, the term "Shinigamification" is actually an official/canonical term, contrary to original belief.

So in fact Shinigamification apparently is a canonical word in the series. Though obviously never really used. By no means does that mean it deserves a page but it can be used in text of already established pages. Seeing as its rarely used and we really have no information on it at any level. The original conversation was about the use of the term Hollow-Shinigami Hybrid and Shinigami-Hollow Hybrid. Apparently these translations provide a canon use of the the hybrid terms without explicitly stating hybrid (Except in the common translation found on most sites). It also provides that Shinigamification is an actual word. The term Hollow-Shinigami Hybrid for those originally Shinigami and Shinigami-Hollow Hybrid for those originally Hollow. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  03:32, February 21, 2010 (UTC)