Forum:Promotion in Gotei 13

Now that we seen Rukia Kuchiki being promoted to VC, who else among the Gotei 13 do you think have been promoted especially to the Captain Rank ? Frostymoon 13:25 August 5, 2011 (UTC)

i think that Shūhei could make captain if he wanted.Soul reaper magnum (talk) 06:51, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Kubo stated that none of the current lieutenants were ready to be Captains and there were no other seats that needed to be filled aside from Captain slots.--

I think Shuhei could be a captain now since he's got such a hard work ethic, and renji also has potential depending on how well he's mastered is bankai. Ikkaku is already a captain-class shinigami but he doesn't have the desire, too bad. What Kubo said about the leiutenants then is void now as there's been a time gap in the manga and every officer has been training themselves.Johnwayne (talk) 08:28, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

If Kubo said that he felt none of the lieutenants are ready for a promotion, that means he'll introduce newer characters to fill in those empty captain slots. Sasakibe is too hard to notice, Omaeda is fine with his position, Kira is too depressed over Ichimaru's death, Kotetsu has expressed no interest in a promotion, Hinamori is most likely still traumatized over Hitsugaya's stab, Abarai's bankai is still immature, Iba only wanted to be a lieutenant, Ise does most of her captains' work in his place, Hisagi hates his Zanpakuto (i.e. can't get bankai), Matsumoto just wants to be a better fighter, and Kusajishi and Kurotsuchi don't care. Krone8 (talk) 19:03, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

good point--Soul reaper magnum (talk) 23:55, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

To make something clear time skip or no that doesn't disregard Kubo's determination, you have no proof of anyone training themselves and even if they have training doesn't determine a captain position. Secondly while its more likely to introduce new characters the explanations given about the current lieutenants are already addressed by Kubo saying they dont meet the criteria. You have to have a bankai to be a captain but having one doesn't make you captain-class nor put u on the level of a captain. To point out there is no evidence about Izuru's feelings toward Gin or if he cares he is dead more likely he is happy he is. No lieutenant has expressed interest in becoming a captain. Hisagi hating his zanpakuto doesnt mean he cant achieve bankai. To top that off we dont know what anyone particular thoughts are on this issue.--Salubri (Talk)  04:37, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

In the aftermath of Aizen's defeat, Matsumoto stated (while her captain was training) that both shuuhei and renji were probably training also. And while training won't make them a captain, obviously power *is* a major factor in promotion. As far as interest in the position, I don't remember Rukia wanting to become a lieutenant either but look at her. I'm not saying that certain people will becom captains, but the possibility is there now.Johnwayne (talk) 04:45, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Wanting that to be the case and that being the case are two different things. Rukia was not a lieutenant wanting to be a captain which is what i was talking about, the lieutenants. As far as her becoming a lieutenant that was obviously written in the cards. The 13th division needed one and she was the only one in the division capable enough to take the role, this is shown many times over. The issue is captain replacements. Shuhei and Renji training (according to a second party who was making an observation on what was currently taking place, not a observation on why someone was doing what they were doing) is nothing new they always train, most shinigami do. Kubo made it a specific point to address lieutenants becoming captains and said it wont happen, Rukia becoming a lieutenant is not included in that concept. Point being until otherwise stated and shown its baseless speculation.--Salubri (Talk)  05:11, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah the Lieutenants are no where near strong enough to become captains at last sight and unless Kubo proves us wrong I doubt it will happen!! Ikkaku is still keeping his Bankai a secret, irregardless of that pathetic anime arc until the Managa shows otherwise!! Unless somebody has just spontaneously become power-ridden I doubt potential new Captains will be available in Soul Society from the current character Roster!! SunXia  (Chat)  05:57, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

The 13th division's 2nd seat was vacant when kubo stated that only captain seats needed to be filled. So obviously things can change. I'm not saying what I'd like or not like to happen, I was just stating possibilities. Saying that someone can gain power through training is not baseless speculation, nor is saying someone could reach captain-class through power gained (depending on how much power they attain, of course). I personally don't see how anyone (including Rukia) could've been promoted given their last seen power levels, but apparently jumps in power can happen over time.Johnwayne (talk) 10:13, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

However Jammie her win against an Espada was, Rukia was a very powerful Soul Reaper well before the time skip!! She certainly showed more prowess in battle than most of the Lieutenants put together!! The the second seat wasn't really properly vacant given that Ukitake had two 3rd Seats, which was unusual!! The Division still had the same number of high officers as the rest so that point is moot!! The Captain-gaps were really the only things that needed filled given how long Kaien had been gone for!! And training doesn't mean power, a lot of Shinigami never make it to be a seated officer no matter of they train, you are limited by your power levels!! SunXia  (Chat)  11:39, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think shinigami would even bother training if they didn't get stronger though... and with to the nature of zanpakutou (ex. wielders having to subjugate them to aquire new powers/skills), you cannot really gauge the *potential* power of any one shinigami. And if a shinigami trains hard and never gets a seated position, they don't get a major role in the series, save for warning the main characters of danger by randomly getting killed by the enemy (R.I.P., lol!). But seriously from a tactical standpoint, after the gotei 13 captainsin FKT were pwned by Aizen after giving their best (decoys, sneak attacks, tag-teaming and all), I'd hope their subordinants would want to gain power and pick up the slack, you know? If that turns out to be the case, I think Renji and/or Hisagi would be the most likely candidates to fill vacant captain slots, they seem to have the most hunger for power in my opinion (Renji wanting to surpass Byakuya, Hisagi looking up to Kensei since childhood, etc.).Johnwayne (talk) 10:27, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Okay ... it's safe to assume that we have a new captain for the 3rd and 5th Division ... In a captain's meeting the arrangement of the captains looks like this, the sotaicho in the center, the 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 10th and 12th Div captains are in the right of the sotaicho while the remaining are in the left ... the first two in the left have feet that isn't big .. and also the next two pages shows that there is someone beside sajin oh and also .. during the time when the 3 musketeers where out, whnever the captains held meeting they didn't adjust their place like sajin facing soifon instead of byakuya and they've just leave the space vacant .. Frostymoon 17:21, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

can't wait to see if there are new captains.anybody want to make some bets?--Soul reaper magnum (talk) 12:05, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

I think one of them is Hirako Shinji.Zero62422002 (talk) 14:29, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

that might be posible, and i was wondering if some(or all)of the visored had rejoined the squads myself.--Soul reaper magnum (talk) 16:03, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

The visoreds said they had no interest in retruning to Soul Society. Also, you have a picture of feet. That does not mean anything. We do not know if there are new captains or Kubo just switched where everyone stands.--

If you ask me, I think Hirako and Hanataro got promoted... Old man Yama said "all Captains and Lieutenants must put their reiatsu into this sword". and Ichigo later sense Hanataro's and Hirako's Reiatsu so it's obvious to me that Visored returned to Soul Society

Grasping at best with no bases in fact. Despite the Visored no longer being shinigami and having no interest in shinigami or soul society. Despite the general rules against such beings even existing which is beyond even yamamoto's authority. Also there is the issue that there are no positions and while there are the 3 captain positions open there are still people who cant have back their former positions as well as Urahara isn't even back. I think there is general issues with people not taking into account alot of things cause they want it to be a certain way. I can take two separate issues and make up stuff to but im not going to. Besides the gotei 13 top officials the people involved were also those close to ichigo in some way, thus shinji and hantarou. Also hantarou barely has enough skills to be the seat he is already at and besides that there is nowhere for him to get promoted to the 4th division already has a lieutenant and 3rd seat. --Salubri (Talk)  19:56, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Godisme, just as i said "during the time when the 3 musketeers where out, whnever the captains held meeting they didn't adjust their place like sajin facing soifon instead of byakuya and they've just leave the space vacant" .... and if sajin does get close to the sotaicho, the feet should be a bigger one compare to those small one. And also regarding of Hanataro and Shinji, it could be possible that the visoreds are back in SS but aren't a part of Gotei 13, maybe they created another Forces or something that is aside of Gotei 13 consisting of the visoreds.. and hanataro maybe there's a possibility that he got promoted to Lt. or other seated position although he lacks skills.. Frostymoon 10:20, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

On the Hirako thing - you have to remember that Urahara knows the Visored, having served alongside them and helped them after their Hollowfication. He knows their relationship with Ichigo. He could very easily have sought them out in the Human World and told Hirako what he was doing to Ichigo, just like he went to Soul Society to tell the Gotei 13. Hirako and the Gotei 13 do not have to have been recruited for this plan at the same time. Simple fact is we will never know until Kubo outright shows us. Kubo loves showing us feet. And introducing characters by their feet. I'm happy to wait until it is revealed. On another note, I wonder how the anime will handle that scene. Those speech bubbles may or may not be deliberately placed, but when it comes to animating this scene, the bubbles will not be there to cover anything. Probably just do close ups on the captains that are shown to deliver the same effect. 10:46, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

People who think Rengi is a Captain. Well he is not wearing a captains haori in Chapter 460. Captain Skellie (talk) 08:32, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yup, and he's not wearing his Lt. Badge ... guess what happened ? Frostymoon 8:38, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Well, we will see. Captain Skellie (talk) 03:26, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

maybe him not wearing a haori is a throw back(is that the right word?) to when bayakuya first appeared and did wear his.--Soul reaper magnum (talk) 12:42, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Nope, the three that are captains are wearing haori. So if he was a Captain he would be wearing one too. Captain Skellie (talk) 19:03, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Has Renji had the necessary time to master his bankai? Byakuya said it takes years. I doubt if Renji had become a captain he would chose to not wear his haori.Licourtrix (talk) 20:34, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Renji not wearing his badge means nothing, he never wears it. I think it was even mentioned one time that he never wears it.--

It is also mentioned during the SS arc that most lieutenants don't wear the badge because it is out of style, and the only reason Rukia is wearing hers is probably because she just got promoted (and because she wanted to show Ichigo). Captain Brooks (talk) 20:55, August 30, 2011 (UTC)