Talk:Renji Abarai

Personality
I thought I should point out there are bit's missing from Renji's personality section.--Super side swiper 17:03, June 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thats a matter of personal opinion and perception. You have not specified what maybe necessary to make the section "complete", which is required for this to be an issue that needs to corrected.--


 * Yeah, youre gonna have t give more details on what you think is missing, or add it yourself. We cant read minds. --SternRitterÄs (talk) 16:04, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

Changing Renji's spiritual power to great?
After chapter 562, would it make sense to update his spiritual power, he easily stomped over mask de masculine in the chapter, even with his power ups, whereas two captain level shinigami, struggled even when using bankai? Skitzo1 (talk) 17:34, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

How about using some common sense since chapter 561. Renji blocked MASK attack and therefore should of been high a week ago. --SHONENHIKADA (talk) 18:49, December 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I personally didn't feel as though that was sufficient enough evidence to prove his strength. Besides, if what you said "was" the case, I have faith another user would have changed it by now, but I'm afraid doing so would have been fairly presumptuous hence why I asked recently. So thanks for the reply. Skitzo1 (talk) 19:19, December 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Remember, his Zanpakutō has been recast by Oetsu so he probably has a power up from that. Sam (BAZINGA) 22:24, December 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm gonna go with a "no" on all of this. As of right now, he's just been using his bonkers strength to pummel Mask. If he ends up cutting Mask in half with this attack or something, then certainly it would make sense to list him as a captain-level combatant, but right now it's less Reiryoku and more muscle.--Xilinoc (talk) 23:28, December 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * You have been reading Bleach for so long and you still don't realize it's a powerlevel manga? There is no such thing as "just muscle, no reiryoku". Reiryoku determines your muscle. Renji thus proves to have wicked Reiryoku. I don't think Great does him justice actually, i think it should be Immense. But you'll do what you want, best to wait until his battle against Mask is over. Xfing (talk) 17:11, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

I think I will jump in here to alleviate the confusion or issue here. After doing some research on Renji its clear that his status as High-level as opposed to Great-level is long overdue for a change. Having said that I looked at Renji's progress as a combatant, compared that to other lieutenants as well as the captains, looked at his opponents and the criteria for determining a change. It goes without saying that Renji far exceeds expectations when it comes to his fellow lieutenants (sans chojiro). Whats most telling is that while he may not be as well rounded a fighter as some of the other lieutenants he does have them beat well before even the Arrancar arc in one aspect, his ability to use bankai. What we have overlooked in this situation is we take the release for granted. The concept behind it clearly states that its rare and only the strongest of Shinigami are capable of it otherwise everyone would have one. While not all captains are equal the same can be said of zanpakuto depending on ability. Is Hihio Zabimaru the most powerful bankai? No. But to be fair that comes with strength and training. As of late that seems to be most of what he has been doing. Renji has been showcasing incredible strength since the break from SS into the Lost Agent arc, strength on a level that a mere lieutenant does not possess. Basically Renji has been well on his way to captain-class classification since the SS arc and the arcs following that has only affirmed it more. While it may take some time for Renji to possess the necessary qualities and skills to be a captain his power level is certainly leading the way having already crossed into that realm.--