User talk:Yyp

Featured Article
I'm not positive, as I haven't done much administrative work in the Featured Article lately, but because they appeared in the anime recently, shouldn't Chad, Renji Abarai, and Orihime Inoue be options? We were also asked about Rukia Kuchiki, but I'm not sure if referencing on her article is complete yet. Arrancar109 (Talk)  20:11, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, this has gone too far. All I did was a list ten reasons to vote for Gin on my talk page. But User:Godisme is actually going around begging for votes! Since when is that allowed and most importantly, how is that not gaining votes for the character. I mean, heck, Godisme actually even said in his message on my talk page "see Isshin fans can oppose too!". More then that, Godisme has labelled me, Lia, Mohrpheus and GinIchimaru the "Ichimaru Gin fanclub" - a term that Weedefinition actually used in his opposition vote. It's insulting and belitting, not to mention completely incorrect! Neither Lia nor Mohrpheus are particularly big Gin fans and I find it highly insulting to be accused of opposing Isshin just because I am a fan of Gin. I actually have compared their articles side by side, a feat I am willing to bet none of the people opposing Gin did. I mean, seriously, most of the votes given in opposition to Gin should be disqualified under "no valid reason". Heck, a lot more to the point and valid "support" votes for Gin got disqualified for "no valid" reason then the ones left standing for Isshin. Seriously, this entire process has been completely undermined by Godisme and his vote begging. I mean, all the opposing votes are even parroting his line about Gin's article being full of grammer problems! Not to mention he personally contacted and encouraged people TO go and oppose Gin's article. Who can accuse me or anyone who voted for Gin's article of that! I suggest rather then trying to sort out this mess you, Salibur and Arrancar109 hold a vote between Gin's article and Isshin's article and decide on May's feature article like that. In addition, might I also suggest a line in the voting policy barring people for contacting other users and encouraging them to vote one way or another? Thanks. Tinni  (Talk)  16:54, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

I find it insulting that Tinni accuses me of begging for votes. Here is what I did. Two users who I normally talk to got their votes deleted, I meesaged them and said that there votes were deleted and if they wanted to they could recast them since they were deleted for no valid reason. Later, one user messaged me thanking me for supporting Isshin and I mentioned that all the Gin fans were ganging up on Isshin and that he could go ahead and throw up an oppose vote if he wanted to. I never said they had to do anything or say anything in particular. Also, to Tinni, how are you insulted by being called the Gin fan club when right on your page it says you are an insane ichimaru gin fan girl. I did nothing that was not allowed and the vote should continue as always--God (Talk)  17:04, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

I would like to back up Godisme on his claim. My vote was casted on my own free will and sans any pressure from him. Since when does two votes = begging? If he was really begging, he would have asked more than three, in order to tip the scales in his favour. maggosh 17:06, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I find the whole "Gin fanclub" thing offensive in this instance because 1) Lia and Mohrpheus aren't Gin fans - thus the statement was a inaccurate generalisation, 2) I object to how it has been used and the negative connotation it carried - it would be fairer to say that those who favour Isshin as a character ganged up on Gin then those who like Gin ganging up on Isshin (especially since on GinIchimaru and I are actual Gin fans), 3) I found it insulting because it implied that the four of us, who all independently choose to oppose Isshin's article, somehow colluded to oppose him - when it was those opposing Gin that did the collusion. Tinni   (Talk)  17:28, April 29, 2010 (UTC) I hate to keep arguing but Tinni is wrong. Check my post on her wall entitled Missing Facts. When I said Gin fan club it was not meant as insulting in the least and of the users who opposed Gin I mentioned opposing to only one after they contacted me first. I claim you ganged up on Isshin because you posted your oppose vote and like magic, 5 minutes later there are 4 oppose votes on Isshin, this cannot have been coincidence. --God (Talk)  17:42, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

In relation to all this I have issued this statement to both involved: Considering I have been watching the Featured Article all the past week. I also have been watching whatever this is unfold and not in a good way. What I have witnessed so far is unnecessary rivalry whether joking or no the votes are supposed to be about article quality. I fully understand people have their favorite characters and are more inclined to vote for them and I turn a blind eye to that point mostly if the concept of the voting policy is followed. Fixing votes either by encouraging or influencing others is not acceptable. If a users vote is unacceptable they should have read the voting policy to determine what is acceptable. If they aren't concerned enough to find out why their vote was discounted and correct the situation then thats their problem. But such things are between the user and the admin, not other users goading them into shifting the vote for their favored pick or otherwise. The oppose votes are for acceptable opposition to issues detailed in the voting policy. My issue is what appears as an organized effort to subvert votes in one direction. The matter will be discussed amongst the admin as to what votes determined by situations involving what i detailed above, will be kept and what wont. Hopefully in the future such actions wont be necessary. In such an issue I would speak to you and Arrancar109 on the Admin page. Salubri (Talk)  18:20, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Orihime
Her article is in bad shape as you have seen. I can't believe I am saying this but I think it should be locked and fixed up by the admins. I would do much of it myself but I have finals this week and next and am stressed out of my mind. At the very least there should be a collaboration of users to fix her article up.--Godisme (Talk)  20:15, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, as long as it gets down I suppose. When finals are over I'll work on the grammar and things as reading through it is impossible because of its disregard for the rules of english. --Godisme (Talk)  20:36, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

User Gran Danku
I would suggest keeping an eye on this guy. I have already undone a revision by him twice today where he just wrote on Urahara's talk page that he knew that he would show up. I went to warn him and saw that you had already warned him in the past. Just a heads up--Godisme (Talk)  19:50, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

What do you have against me, guys? If I did something wrong, just tell me personally (I mean one by one of you). Gran Danku (Talk) 22:27, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Policies
Is it going against anything for a new user to only post on blogs and edit their user page without doing anything besides? --| WhiteArmor | (Talk) |-- 22:19, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, the policy link explained it. --| WhiteArmor | (Talk) |-- 22:43, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Page Moves
Oh, okay. Sorry about that. I'll remember that from now on. The Shadow Dragon 22:51, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Talk Page
Thanks for fixing my archive. I meant to do that last night but I fell asleep in the middle of studying--Godisme (Talk)  14:12, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, um...
Check out this link. It's in Russian... should it be deleted? --Reikson 16:43, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Possible copyright infringement
Hi.

I'm currently working on Good Bye Halcyon Days. For the segment depicting Orihime's last day in Karakura Town I wanted to use the title 'Five Lifetimes, One Love'. The problem is my source was a fan forum by that name:. I was about to email their admin asking about the copyright, which I assume exists automatically, and who can I contact to get clearance to use it, but then I figured I should ask one of our admins first if there's any problem with using it. After all, we upload copyrighted images all the time WD   Talk to me  23:12, April 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Cool :) WD   Talk to me  12:41, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Already apologized
You don't need to make a whole headline news article for it. Yeesh. The problem I had was that no one took action about it in over a whole year Kaihedgie 18:55, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

I believe I was crystal clear the first time around. That image has been sitting there around 2008 and only two years later now does anyone say anything about it Kaihedgie 19:25, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Opening and Closing Pages/Visored
You left a message regarding my reopening of a topic for discussion, but that was because literally nothing was discussed. Not only did I provide evidence that the Japanese media clearly only uses "Visored" as a romanization, but aside from that the person who closed the discussion only proved that there was one point where the Viz translation used 'Vizard' despite later issues correcting this. What about Viz's choice to romanize "Yasutora Sado" as "Chad Yasutora"? They corrected that, and literally this is the exact same thing. It's not an open and shut case, and it's definitely worthy of discussion.-Mr. Toto 21:44, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * So is this going to be discussed at all? I already provided a link in which "Visored" was used in the Japanese media. Are there any instances in the Japanese version in which "Vizard" is used?-Mr. Toto 16:38, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yammy
I wanted to get the approval of the other admins before I continue to do this. I proposed in Yammy's discussion page that we change all occurrences of Espada 10 or 10th Espada to 10th Arrancar and such. No one in the manga has ever said 10th Espada so I figured it should be reflected on the site. Minato and Tinni approved and we myself and Minato made a few changes and Arrancar109 then said that we should get approval from the admins before continuing to do so. What are your thoughts?--<font color="black" face="Verdana">Godisme <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  02:13, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yammy
Hey Yyp, could u do me a favor and change Yammy's rank here. it does say 0, but also states 10. IDK if u would rather it stay this way or not. If u feel it should stay the same I understand. Godisme said on Yammy's page that we got permission from all 3 of u guys. Thanks. Minato (Talk)  19:16, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Images
Tell me, Yyp, how do you produce images, so I will manage to do this as well? Gran Danku 22:22, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Drawings
Hi, Yyp! May I ask? Can I post drawings here in this wiki? Soulslayer1992

RAW images
Prophet put up images from the new episode which is still in RAW form, should these be deleted? --| WhiteArmor | (Talk) |-- 03:07, April 28, 2010 (UTC) The subbed version came out hours ago so they should be fine--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  03:16, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Yuzu and Karin
LOL! Not to be mean, but it looks like they replaced the correct Hanzi (Jp. Kanji) spellings with hiragana (for Yuzu) and katakana (for Karin). I think maybe they jumped the gun sans-research with this change, but I put my data in the Translation Corner. The *plan* is to put my answers to all such queries there for easier reference by all from now on :). Adam Restling 09:51, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Anime summary
whoever wrote the anime summary for the main page its way to long. someone needs to cut it in half.<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  10:18, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Done it. May need more off. TomServo101 10:31, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Administratorfacation 2
What are the qualifications on this site to become an admin? - WhiteArmor - (Talk) - 06:13, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Saga pages
Well Tinni brought the subject up even though I have also stated my issue previously. Basically she is in agreement that the saga pages should go. They are nothing more than a wall of text, unreferenced, with fan made titles and offer no accuracy or purpose. They pretty much defeat the purpose of the entire sight and what were trying to do here as far as bringing quality work. In any case I have already placed a marked for deletion sign on the Arrancar saga page. The idea is to delete all of them as the fight project pretty much handles the various arcs and are supplemented by the article pages and the volume and anime projects. If we can get them gone as soon as possible that would be great. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  01:43, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Colors?
Is there an official source that cites Orihime's hair color as "Burnt Orange" or Zommari's eyes as "Golden Yellow"? Because if not, I believe these are unnecessary descriptions that don't really need to be put in the article. If there is, however, please tell me where these descriptions come from. Avolling 07:27, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

It comes from how it's actually colored, as well as users' familiarity of the shades of color used. A general description of it can be "orange", but "burnt orange" is a specific shade of orange. Same case with "golden yellow" being a specific shade of yellow. There's nothing unnecessary about specified shades of certain colors. So, in other words, the edits you've been doing are generalizations of what colors they are, but the descriptions of colors like "burnt orange" and "golden yellow" are more specific and accurate descriptions of what those colors are. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  07:47, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I just don't agree. Descriptions like Burnt Orange are arbitrary, and I could (and by your logic should) go right ahead and change the description to something like "Tangerine" or "Gamboge" in order to be more accurate. There's no way to classify something as a specific shade other than by personal opinion, so classifying a color as something more broad makes descriptions more efficient and in many ways, more proper. Avolling 16:39, May 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * <font color="#f28500">Tangerine would in-fact be more accurate description for Orihime's hair colour then <font color="#FFA500">Orange, which is what you changed her hair colour to. For that matter, when you say yellow, most people thing <font color="#FFFF00">Yellow . Not <font color="#FFD700">Golden Yellow which is what Zommari's eye colour is. In short, what you are changing the descriptions to were in fact inaccurate. In addition, you had no right to alter the descriptions so drastically based on your own personal opinion of what the descriptions should be. Most of us can tell different shades of colour and would not appreciate seeing the hairs of Orihime, Rangiku and Ichigo all described as "orange" when the shades are clearly different. Tinni   (Talk)  17:14, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hey
You might wanna check some of these blogs. Im not sure if they have anything to do with Bleach at all. Some talk about Kubo but mostly it has nothing to do with this site or the content of the site. There are a few that are recent that ive looked at as questionable. What do you think. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  22:13, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion Closed
<p style="text-align:center">"Does 'Discussion Closed' mean nothing anymore?"

Well, I'm not quite sure what the answer to this question is. You could always ask your fellow administrator, Tinni, what it means to her. After all, she is the one who closed it and then, the very next day, edited it even more. May I make a suggestion? If you decide to enforce strict policy and delete everything that was posted after the discussion was closed, do not in any way be selective by sparing even her comments. Delete her comments as well. If administrators want to uphold the Wiki policies so severely, then they also need to follow the rules and be accountable for their actions. Leadership rule-of-thumb: lead by example FIRST.

And another thing that I would like to bring to your attention: the general arrogance and haughtiness on the part of the administrators. It is a phenomenally contageous disease on all Wikis, but very prevalent here as well. Please remember that you (plural, aka "you admins") are here to make sure that the Wiki remains accurate and functional. You (again, plural) are not here to degrade, ridicule, or in any way insult the average user.

Well, that's all I wish to say for the time being. Take or leave it for what it's worth. Jrutled3 15:28, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well said, good sir. maggosh 15:36, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Umm... I am actually allowed to re-open discussion provided I have a good reason to. Which I might add I did not do with that particular discussion. I merely added additional arguments to it to re-enforce the the result of the discussion. I am allowed to do that too. Tinni   (Talk)  16:34, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

There was no intent to degrade or ridicule anyone. The fact that I left her comment there should suggest that I am perfectly happy with her having made it. Tinni is not an admin, but she is the leader of the Policy & Standards Committee and as such has enhanced rights on this wiki. She added something worthwhile, hence it being left there. If it was just general discussion which serves no purpose but to fill up the talk page, then I would have removed it too. Yyp (Talk) 17:15, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * No offense to Tinni and Yyp, but the Policy explicitly says:


 * Do not edit a closed discussion - Admins and Committee members may mark a discussion as closed with the template. If you see the blue "Discussion Closed" box in a topic, then do not continue the discussion or remove the  template. If you wish it to be reopened, contact an admin stating clearly your reasons. It is at the discretion of the admin whether or not they reopen the discussion.


 * Correct me if I'm wrong, but that says, "do not continue the discussion" if you see the "Discussion Closed" box. Tinni, by your own admission you DID NOT reopen the discussion in order to add the new information, even though you had the authority to do so. This tells me: 1) personally, you do not like to be argued against and wanted your information and your information only to be added (hence, your not reopening the discussion for any and all to post if they so desired), and 2) officially, you violated the very policy of which you are the leader. Whether you like it or not - and whether the addition is beneficial or not - you violated the policy by not reopening the discussion, and the comment should therefore be removed. If you still desire it to be there, then go about it through the proper red-tape all we normal people have to put up with, by: 1) reopening the discussion and, 2) then adding it. I apologize for being so forceful with this argument, but I severely loathe double-standards and clique bias! If you uphold the standards for the few, you must uphold the standards for all (INCLUDING yourselves). Jrutled3 18:13, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * And quite frankly, I do not see anywhere on the Discussion Policy page where your statement, " I am allowed to do that too," has any weight ... unless you created a new policy just then. Jrutled3 18:20, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * As far as im concerned this is a non-issue based on a user not liking the fact that he can't argue a closed discussion. Tinni closed the conversation herself only adding information further proving the point that is the bases of the official stand of the sight. It was not to continue the argument or allow the reopening the argument. If you feel thats unfair (reinforcing a point so their is no doubt) then i dont know what to tell you. Your whole bases on this unfair violation argument has to do with your response getting deleted in a closed discussion. If any admin felt Tinni was at fault they would have said something and handled it accordingly that didn't happen because she had done nothing wrong she closed the discussion and she updated the point. she didn't reopen it to continue the discussion as she wasnt expecting a response. Youve made it quite clear in your arguments here that you have a problem and issue with the policies here regardless of not knowing why those policies are in place and need to be enforced. As well as Assuming to know how we enforce them or who we enforce them on. More so it seems your pissed that you cant do what you want as you are the one who tried to continue the conversation after it being closed by responding. The whole thing would have been pointless if you had contacted her talk page with your response.<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  18:39, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Salubri, in order for you to be aware and not base your own argument on assumptions: I am not "not liking the fact that [I] can't argue a closed discussion." I am perfectly fine with the final decision, and was truly happy to see Gin with blue eyes in the recent anime episode - a fact that can be attested to by you simply looking back over the history of the page in question and reading my comment. And nor do I have a problem with the policies. I do have a problem, however, with the policies not being enforced for all members, regardless of status. Nowhere on the policy page does it say even an Administrator or Committee Member can post additions to the discussion once it is closed. If you don't believe me, check it yourself. Not only did I quote a portion of it, but I even provided a link to the entire page. If the policies need to be amended (and they obviously do) in order to address the fact that Administrators and Committee Members CAN contribute further information to a closed discussion, then so be it. But for now, the policies need to be enforced as they stand. And I feel I need to reiterate the point that I am not pleading a case to continue arguing Gin's eye color. That is a closed case in my book, and I could care less. I am arguing the fact that policy is not upheld equally for all members. And you are also wrong in another point: I was not the "one" who tried to continue the discussion. There was another poster who also contributed their comments before I did mine. And concerning my issue with Admin. arrogance, you most definitely have led the pack for quite a while. I feel you must know that you have a knack for being exceedingly condescending to those with whom you disagree, and it is not appreciated at all. And if I might make a personal request: please, leave indecent language out of your comments when addressing me. That is not appreciated either. Jrutled3 19:31, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * First off if your gonna throw around arrogance and condescension maybe you should include yourself in presuming to place labels on people whom you know nothing about or what they have to deal with on this site. You must not know what corresponds to arrogance or condescending seeing as your entire argument can be considered as such. Who are you state anyone is arrogant or condescending. I have stated before I have little patience for vandalism or lack of common sense when guidelines and policies are easily accessible. I doubt apologize for that because its common amongst certain users who get on here. So dont presume to tell me what I do and dont do on the site. Im entitled to tell people when their wrong when its supported by policy or facts just as anyone is and you dont get to judge me or anyone else for making those points. This isnt philosophy where everyone has a right answer; someone sometimes will be wrong. When im wrong ill admit as much with facts supporting it. Its nothing to do with a disagreement as you dont want to admit any wrong or feel that you cant be. so whose leading the pack on being condescending and arrogant? If there is an issue with the wording of a policy or how its applied then thats one thing, but your entire argument is nothing but an attack on any form of authority. All you've accomplished here is putting yourself at odds with admin and whoever else you feel shouldn't tell you your wrong or counter your points. If this site is so horrible, no one is forcing you to stay here. Also there was nothing indecent in the conversation so id appreciate you watching your accusations in general your whole argument when addressing me. As your arrogance and self-righteousness isn't appreciated, so hows that for condescending. You get what you give. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  20:09, May 12, 2010 (UTC)