Forum:Byakuya Kuchiki

This thread is for discussing Byakuya Kuchiki. Any other threads about him that are created outside of this one will be merged into here. Tinni 17:37, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Byakuya Kuchiki - son of Kōga Kuchiki ?
Could Byakuya Kuchiki be Kōga Kuchiki`s son ?

I am saying this, because in the Bleach wiki entry of Byakuya Kuchiki says : ".... He (Byakuya Kuchiki) would spend countless hours training, in preparation of taking over the leadership of the Kuchiki family and the 6th Division from his grandfather, Ginrei Kuchiki." And also, in the anime , about Kōga Kuchiki is said "...(Kōga Kuchiki)was also a member of the Kuchiki noble family, having married into it." and later the Bleach wiki entry on him states " ... his father-in-law Ginrei ..."Amagai88 16:01, December 16, 2009 (UTC)Amagai88

I am certainly waiting for Byakuya to call Koga "father". I also want to see the face of his mother. She must be so pretty! I also wonder if Kubo is willing to do a omake manga chapter that makes official Koga's relationship to the Kuchiki family. Tinni 17:17, December 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * speaking of Kubo, does he also give ideas to the anime writers, especially this filler? i wish Koga would be a canon character. --WinterFox 03:33, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

I find it difficult to believe that Kubo would let the anime people wildly veer off from his picture of the world he created. Particularly with information as relevant to one of Bleach's most central characters as who Byakuya's father is. This fact may never raise its head in the manga but its still out there in the anime and who would want to create competeting and contradictory storylines? Great Cthulhu 03:48, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Kubo is consulted by the anime studio and Koga may well be a Ashido Kanō, who was originally developed by Kubo to appear in the manga but was dropped due to time issues. Kubo included his development information with manga volume 261. Maybe, he'll do something similar with Koga. Assuming Koga was developed by Kubo and I think he was. He did develop the Zanpakuto spirits, so I don't see why he couldn't have developed Koga at the same time he developed Muramasa. That would be the kind of thing Kubo would do. Tinni 07:29, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I am happy to hear this, Tinni. So, are Koga, Muramasa, Ashido considered or will be considered canon characters already?--WinterFox 23:44, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Firstly, Koga and Muramasa have not made an appearance in the Manga yet, so no they are strictly anime-only. Ashido has information included in his article where we explained that he was developed by Kubo for inclusion in the manga but was dropped due to time issues and that his development material was included in volume 29. As far as the wiki is concerned Ashido is still anime-only. But I know that among fans he is consider quasi-canon as he and and the forest of the menos is part of Kubo's vision for Bleach. But yes, unless Kubo draws it in the manga, it is not canon. Just because Kubo does produce special things for use in other mediums all the time. Like special stories for games. Characters for awful filler arcs like the Bount (just thinking of that arc makes me so angry!!!!). So unless he draws it, it's not canon. Tinni 02:11, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * PS. Colourful Bleach chapters are considered Canon because Kubo did draw them and have them publish as a humorous supplement to his world in Shonen Jump Monthly. Tinni 02:11, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Just to point out another anime-only character who was also designed by Kubo. Jin Kariya. Minato (Talk)  23:55, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Unfortantely no one is considered a canon character unless written and drawn by Kubo in the manga to be technical. There is a possability if there is some signifcance to Koga being a part of the family we may see this revelation later down the line in the manga making it canon information. Salubri (Talk)  00:23, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * i see. if characters are shown in the manga omake, will they be considered canon?--WinterFox 05:38, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes. Tinni   (Talk)  09:55, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

I was reading the end of SS arc again, and noticed this: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/179/14/ Byakuya swore on his parents' grave that he wouldn't break rules again. This should mean that his parents are both dead. Therefore Koga couldn't be his fater. But it might be symbolic too, meaning that when Koga was imprisoned, he "died" in the eyes of Kuchiki family and could be respected as dead person. What do you others think of this? --Akeki 09:26, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * If Koga's rebellion was erased from Soul Society history, Byakuya could have been told his father died. Whichever way we'll soon find out exactly how Koga fits into the Kuchiki story. It should be interesting. Tinni   (Talk)  09:55, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Did he lose intentionally?
I was going to post this in Byakuya's talk page, but I figured that it'd moved here. It can't be resolved anyway, so here goes: At the end of Byakuya's fight with Ichigo, when he used Shukei, Senbonzakura dissolves just before Tensa Zangetsu comes into contact with it []. The anime portrayed it this way as well. Both of them took a lot of damage in the end, but the way it was shown in a flashback seemed to imply that he wasn't just trying to be sneaky about hitting Ichigo in an unexpected way. My question is whether or not Byakuya did this with the intention of letting Ichigo hit him decisively (because he was conflicted between following the law and saving Rukia), ensuring that he win the battle. Just a few pages later, he outright says that he can no longer stop Ichigo from saving Rukia, almost as if it were his intention. This might have been discussed before, and maybe nobody will respond, but I just wanted to see what somebody else might think. Mohrpheus 02:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

I looked at the picture you posted, and it looked as if Ichigo blade was cutting though the sword at the time. I kind of remember in the anime his blade giving out early but it always seem to me like it was Ichigo reistu cutting the blade apart. You should try and find another better picture if you can


 * That is the only picture, iirc.

Intentionally, I highly doubt Byakuya let Ichigo win. You don't pull out your best attack with the intention of letting the other guy win. I think Ichigo's resolve was higher. Byakuya may have been internally conflicted over (essentially) killing Rukia, which may have limited his ability to fight properly. I seriously doubt he pitched the battle intentionally. Ratiqu 14:51, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Byakuya's father? Soujun Kuchiki
I read in Onemanga this interview in a forum, no idea of its credibility or if this has already once been discussed.

http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=81038&page=10

Translated inteview. Info about Byakuya's dad. Credits to jkid@BA

Q:朽木蒼純（そうじゅん）というのは...？ Q: And the one called Soujun Kuchiki (Kuchiki Soujun) K:久保：百哉のお父さんですね、もう死んでしまったんですが. Kubo: Byakuya's father, but he already died. Q:それは戦いによって？ Q: Is it because of a fight? K:久保：はい. 元々そんなに戦いには向いていなかったんですが、朽木家だから才能があるし、銀嶺(ぎんれ い) が気に掛けていて、体も弱いし戦いに向いていないけれど、｢次の当主にならなきゃいけないから」と取り立て て副隊長にしたんです. でも、 結局戦いで死んでしまった. Kubo: *Yes. Normally he wouldn't have proceeded to battle, but because he is (from the) Kuchiki family he had talent, he was concerned about Ginrei and even though his body was weak and couldn't proceed to battle he "had to become the next head of the family" so he became a lieutenant. But after all he died. Q:才覚はもちろんあったでしょうか？ Of course he had a *plan/device, right? K:久保：能力があるんだけど、大人しいっていうか、すごい優しい人だったんです. Kubo: He had abilities, but I should say he was a rather quiet/obedient, amazing, kind person.

The Platinum Shadow (talk) 19:46, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yes it is fact a result of the new Bleach Databook Masked. Which confirms many new characters from the Turn back the pendulum arc and information on the arrancar and vizard as well. Salubri (Talk)  19:53, August 3, 2010 (UTC)