Forum:Future Antagonists

Hey guys. I was wondering about this since Aizen may be dying soon. Kubo said that another Arc was starting after the current one, and one thing that popped into my mind first was 'Who is going to be the next Antagonist?' I'm thinking we may finally see Vasto Lorde, since they haven't played a significant part in the story yet. What do you guys think?--Moe1216 18:33, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Considering that the current arc is due to finish round about now, I don't think he'll be departing for a while; there'll be no time to give him a proper send-off. Plus the recent entry into Soul Society gives him plenty more plot revolving around him. As for next antagonist, should one be required, maybe VL, maybe Hell based (I did see Nnoitrax's post to HuecoMuffin as to what'll happen in future; interesting...) I really can't say.

Forgot to sign. Oops. TomServo101 (Talk)  19:15, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

You're probably right. For all we know he could use his hypnosis powers on the Zero Divison and have them fight the Gotei 13 and Ichigo's group.--Moe1216 19:21, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

I would personally hope for somebody new after Aizen, but I doubt they'll finish him in this arc. It IS possible to kill him and just kind of extend the last two chapters, it would be kind of a slap in the face for Kubo to do but he could also end up completely shut down by the Zero Squad and we're left awe struck on how easily somebody else beat him for a change. That's right, maybe it's possible that Aizen could get Kensei'd ON SCREEN before showing off any amazing abilities...I've seen it happen before (like with Grand Fisher, he powers himself up and everything then he's killed like it wasn't no big thang) and in other series (like for example in a series there is a central antagonist that is causing everybody problems and he's just gained a new power, but all of the sudden a new group or an individual shows up and completely pwns him...thus ending his part in the story and all of the sudden everybody is in complete shock as to this happening).

Now I doubt there aren't going to be ANY new antagonists, I mean come on the way Kubo makes it sound this series has a few years left on it. We can expect people from the Royal Dimension, Hell, so on and so forth...Vasto Lordes. Even if Aizen stays as the main antagonist, there's no way Kubo can write 2 more arcs based on his assault on the Royal Dimension...that would just kind of drag out honestly. TVthePunisher 22:58, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hell was only touched upon one time. I say it needs a little more love. Ratiqu 01:52, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I agree Ratiqu, but how?--Moe1216 03:26, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

What if there are Quincy's left other than the two we know of and they attack the Soul Society?

I think that Urahara is a possibility for a future antagonist (he is my fav) simply because he is extremly shady and is probably hiding something. i dont really know how to explain it, but i just get this feeling that either he is in team with aizen or is acting of his own accord, as in, him and Aizen are just acting to be against each other to decieve everyone, and then his true colours will be shown OR him and Aizen are in "team" but when the time comes maybe Kisuke will have no further use for Aizen. i think it'd be a really good turn of events because Urahara would bring some comedy and wit to an antagonist role. i'll post the reasons why i think this a bit later on, i am going to read up a bit to get all my reasons completly smoothed out a bit so it'll hopefully make some sence.TrancedKuja 20:01, June 9, 2010 (UTC) TrancedKuja

^ And this, students, is a perfect example of what is known as "crack theory". Note the part where there isn't any evidence, but it would be really cool if it happened.

My friend, you may want to take a good look at the "Turning Back the Pendulum" arc-thingy. Eps 206-212 or chapters -108 to -97 (between 315 and 316). Aizen nearly killed several friends/comrades of Urahara's, as well as framing him for those crimes, and successfully got Urahara exiled out of Captainship. If that wasn't enough, several friends of his (namely Yoruichi, i think, and some of the Vizard too) are against Aizen.

Sorry for the sarcasmness, but this kinda thing angers me at times. Ratiqu 20:27, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

could someone explain the "arc ending" deal because the way i see things all we knew was that the current arc would end mid 2010 and as of this last chapter (deicide 9) the story has moved from Fake Karakura Town in the human world to Soul Society and the real version therefore the FKT arc is now over. there is no reason that Aizen will die.Wolfwood (Shoot)  20:37, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I guess a better way to say this is instead of wondering who is possibly the next villian in the next arc, a better way to ask is "who is going to take Aizen's place after he is defeated?" I mean yeah the new arc may start with Aizen still alive, but that's not the point of the conversation. It's more about who will become the next great threat and if possible, will they be able to make even Kyoraku use Bankai!? LMAO. But seriously, it's just more about future threats.--Moe1216 12:51, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

If there's gonna be another antagonist after Aizen, logically speaking, the Vasto Lorde are next on the list. If not, then the only other candidate would have to be the Soul Society. Again. Uranak555 16:51, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Who then? Pretty much everyone in Soul Society capable of having the presence/power to be antagonists are either a)already introduced (the captains, in other words) or b) dead (Central 46). While that leaves 0 Division and upwards, I doubt Kubo'd go for the 'Soul King is actually the bad guy' approach when he has plenty of other options. Just seems a little 'clutching at straws' to me.

I could be wrong, of course, and will hold my hands up if that's the case. TomServo101 (Talk)  17:15, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

You have a point TomServo101, it would be unwise if Kubo used the SS as a source of an antagonist again. Plus Uranak555 said the Vasto Lorde, and it would be even better if those Vasto Lorde became Arrancar.--Moe1216 20:00, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Let's do a villain re-cap; first off, there was the time when regular hollows, especially Menos Grande were an actual threat, with the anime setting up Grand Fisher as the chief villain, implying that he Hollowfied Sora and sent other hollows after Ichigo, in addition to being the killer of Masaki and more or less either the toughest/cruelest Hollow Ichigo faced by then, other than Shrieker and Menos Grande. Later on, the role of "Big Bad" went to Uryu Ishida, acting as a natural "white" Quincy archer rival to "black" Shinigami swordsman Ichigo. During this whole Hollow Tournament thing, the two are quickly forced into helping one another as the hordes of hollows soon overwhelm Karakura Town, leading to the arrival of Menos Grande, implied by Rukia to have been the toughest hollow among all, at least to those below lieutenant level, and was soon driven off by Ichigo.

This incident would not only put Ichigo and Uryu on slightly friendlier terms at the time, but also draw the Soul Society's attention, leading to Central 46 sending out Captain Byakuya Kuchiki and Lieutenant Renji Abarai to successfully retrieve Rukia. After regaining his own set of shinigami powers, Ichigo mounted a rescue attempt with Inoue, Sado, Shihoin and Ishida, essentially making the Soul Society as the "Big Bad", chief among them being Byakuya and Gin Ichimaru. Turns out, the supposedly dead Captain Aizen was the mastermind behind the entire event, assassinating and masquerading as the Central 46 into capturing Rukia, as well as being theone that sent Fishbone D and Menos Grande to "toughen" Ichigo up, as it were.

After that, it was all about taking Aizen down, which is still ongoing. Along the way, we are introduced to the Arrancar and Vizards, hollow-shinigami hybrids, with the Espada as the leaders and most powerful members of the former, and the latter as an unpredictable X factor. The Vizards were former captains and lieutenants themselves, having been Hollowfied by Aizen and stabilized by Urahara, whom would leave the Soul Society with Tessai and Yoruichi. For the longest time, although Aizen remained as the "Big Bad", with Ichimaru and Tosen as his co-conspiratorial "lieutenants", the Espada evidently were a much more direct threat, due to having much more screen time and 'relevance' at the time (think along the lines of Vader to Palpatine, Saruman to Sauron, or Pain to Madara); Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez (6th Espada), Yammy Riyalgo (10th Espada) and arguably Ulquiorra Cifer (4th Espada) as the most recurring enemies faced in this section of the Arrancar arc, with Grand Fisher appearing once again at the beginning of the arc, only to be killed by Ichigo's shinigami father - Isshin. Another major threat during this "Cold War"-ish stage was Hollow Ichigo, who had been 'awoken' prior the Soul Society - later defeated presumably for good during Ichigo's hollow training with the Vizards. Around this time, right before the unauthorized assault on the real world by Grimmjow, Captain Hitsugaya had informed Ichigo of the three Menos classes: That Menos Grande from earlier was a Gillian, the first stage of Menos evolution and are the weakest/dumbest of the three classes, akin to footsoldiers. Adjuchas-class Menos are the middle stage of evolution, smarter, smaller and stronger than Gillians, which is presumably what the majority of Aizen's Arrancar could be. The final Menos class, the smartest, strongest and fewest of the bunch, called Vasto Lordes, presumably the most powerful Hollows in existence, have yet to make an actual appearance to date, though several Espada are speculated to have been former Vasto Lordes, based on how humanoid or human-sized/shaped their release forms are.

Once Orihime was forced into leaving with Ulquiorra, after being denied any help from the Soul Society by Yamamoto, Ichigo went to Urahara to launch another rescue arc, aided by Chad and Uryu again, later with Rukia and Renji. During this time, other than meeting former 3rd Espada - Nelliel Tu Odelschanck - they invaded Aizen's base of operations, Las Noches itself, and with the eventual help of four captains (Kuchiki, Zaraki, Kurotsuchi and Unohana), succeed in killing off the 9th (Aaroniero Arruruerie), 7th (Zommari Lerouz), 8th (Szayel Aporro Granz), and 5th (Nnoitra Jiruga) Espadas, while defeating the 6th (Grimmjow), who's current status remains unconfirmed. Aizen had anticipated the captains' arrival and waited for the right time to imprison them all in Las Noches by sealing off the Gargantas, assembling the top three (Coyote Starrk/Lilynette Gingerback, Baraggan Luisenbarn and Tia Harribel) to attack Karakura Town in his bid to create a key that would allow him access to the Royal Demension, where he would overthrow the Soul King, but was instead greeted by the remaining majority of the Gotei 13 captains and lieutenants, who had replaced the town with a replica without having to worry about its inhabitants, should Aizen ever set foot in the real world. The long-ass battle that would follow would end in the deaths of all Arrancar present and the eradication of nearly all Shinigami forces, literally leaving Unohana, Tsukabishi, Ryuken Ishida (Uryu's father) and the Kurosakis as the only known fighters left on the field, while Aizen and Ichimaru enter the Soul Society, where the real Karakura Town had been placed in.

Notice any pattern? Come up with you own theories based on that? I've already said my piece - I'm done, so the debating is all up to you after this. Krone8 02:00, June 16, 2010 (UTC)