Talk:Ichigo Kurosaki/Archive 1

Any reason to delete the 4th poll result, before even asking a source ? Mili-Cien

Pic'
Should we add this to Arrancar's Arc category ? Mili-Cien

I say we need to update ichigo's current pic. More like the short-lived one of him and tensa zangetsu in front of a white backdrop. Isay this because that pic has to be old and ichigo is constanly in bankai, almost always. Shinigami-Sama 07:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo's Personality
Why did it say that Ichigo likes Ririn and Nel.....I don't see why he does like them cause he only likes Rukia and Senna not Ririn and Nel....User:Ichi Ruki710


 * Sign your comments. And no, you read it wrong. It says (or at least should say) that Ichigo IS LIKED by Ririn and Nel. Ririn has shown that she is jealous of Rukia's bond with Ichigo and Nel was also a bit jealous when she asks Rukia what her relationship with Ichigo is. Last I checked, there is nothing that says anything about him liking them in the same manner. Arrancar109 20:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree as well it's starting to get outdated--Hitsugaya3194 03:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Edit
I removed the part about Unohana not being seen with Ichigo's Friends,it's not true,she has been seen taking with Sado.gohanRULEZ 17:31, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

WHOA!!!! There are NO REFERENCES FOR ICHIGO (THE MAIN CHARACTER)'S PAGE!
How long has this been going on-- Is there a reason? That's ridiculous! I put references for all my edits, but this was the first time I really edited Ichigo's article. Apparently I'm the first one to put a reference.... Is every body OK with this fact, cuz I guess I'm out of the loop. Renji Abarai 22:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think that unless it's some really obscure information, most information can be assumed to have come from the anime or manga
 * Always correcting, Aunva 02:28, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

This will be handled as soon as time permits, as doing references for pages that have none are time consuming job that can take hours if not an entire day.Salubri 18:36, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo's fights
Is it alright if I make a page that shows of all Ichigo's battles?(If I do this,it will be from memory,some fights might be forgotten.)gohanRULEZ 05:27, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Probably not. I remember someone around here tried something like this once before, but they were all taken down. Arrancar109 05:37, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Would it be safe to....
Drop shinigami from his species due to by definition a vizard is a shinigami who has gained hollow powers?Crimsonterminator1000 04:10, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

True enough but he has not been officially seen as a Vizard by the vast majority of those he comes in contact with even those closest to him don't really know much of anything about the vizards or what one is or that ichigo is one truely Orihime who has met the vizards and have somewhat a knowledge of them are surprised with the power ichigo possesses. Soul Society by large consider him a substitute shinigami. It might be only realistic to change when it becomes public knowledge, so as not to confuse the fact that while the vizards themselves are considered as such it is pretty much only amongst themselves. If that makes any bit of sense lol. Salubri 04:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that. True enough, he has hollow powers, but as of yet there is no proof that the "Vizard" are a race. It's possible that it is just the name of the group that Shinji leads, a group which Ichigo refused to join (he only sought out their help for his own gain). So it should remain "shinigami"; Vizard in itself is still a debatable term. Mohrpheus 20:52, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

By the definition arrancar arent a race either just a group. As in your response what makes them different then a hollow. Salubri 21:48, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Not really. Arrancar have been defined as a race in the series. Not every arrancar has been a part of the same faction, nor have they ever been referred to in a sense that "Arrancar" was a group name. How could it be so, if the Espada is a group of Arrancar? What I'm saying is that the only Vizard we've seen have been a part of that one group. Seeing as they coined the term (being the first ones to ever hollowfy, apparently), "Vizard" is possibly the accepted term for the new race, but never has it been implied that it wasn't just the name of their group ("Join us, Ichigo" or whatnot). Mohrpheus 00:29, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

So besides the fact that even ichigo acknowledges he is one when first meeting the arrancar. It is pretty much determined as well that they are no longer shinigami in the sense of what they have become. Your argument is that because they are the first in only one's their a group despite the fact that theyre something else entirely and because the espada are a group within the arrancar the term arrancar can't be called a group but a species. Thats not much of an argument. Ichigo clearly refers to himself as one and he also clearly doesnt want to be apart of their "grouping" together but their is no denial of what he is. They're a group because of necessity not for any particular purpose. Ichigo is one as has been stated and yet he has no wish to be part of the group (as in he doesnt want to hang with them thats what they meant for him to stay with them) and yes fortunately as the first of a species they do have the right to name themselves whatever they choose. Its like saying because the bounts are all together theyre just a group and thats not their species. But the fact is they are a species and they make up a group because they are together. Salubri 00:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

So could we add hollow to it? Crimsonterminator1000 16:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

No. where anywhere is he hollow. Salubri 19:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Did you miss the part where he turned into a really nasty looking Hollow (complete with mask, physical appearance similar to other hollows, big-ol-whole-through-the-chest, and associated powers?) But, still, I don't think Hollow should be added to the page. I think he should be considered a "Substitute Shinigami" more than anything else. He's not an official Shinigami, since he didn't gain the rank after death, nor complete the academy, nor become official by any other means... he's still just a human with Shinigami powers. A substitute. Nothing more. Well... a lot more, but that's something else entirely... ShadowDragoonFTW 04:47, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok the point here is the Ichigo is a vizard and a human he acknowledges that as well as the Vizard. He is human in his own body outside it he is a vizard. He believes himself a shinigami well before he understands anything of his hollow powers. In conversations with shinji it is basically inferred that the vizard are a separate species as well as a group. Ichigo then counts himself as one as far as species but barely as a member of the group. The vizards do not any longer consider themselves shinigami and they refer to shinigami as entirely different from themselves. Similar to how an arrancar is not a hollow yet they still refer to themselves as hollow. Also adding to how arrancar and vizard are opposites. Only those that do not acknowledge don't know what a vizard is including the espada.Salubri 18:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Automated transfer of Problem Report #21163
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In the Appearance section the character info page, Ichigo is described as having "regular-colored skin" as opposed to the "dark skin" of some other characters(i.e. Yoruichi). To suggest that white skin is "regular", as though anything other than white is irregular, is a bit offensive. I'm sure offense was not intended but it really is extremely insensitive. Why not just say "light/white skinned"? Just putting it out there.
 * I agree with this one completely... I'm a whitey myself, and I still find it insensitive. Even if it is referring to the fact that the vast majority of the cast also have light skin, so it could be considered "normal" in that regard, I still feel it should be changed. ShadowDragoonFTW 04:51, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Theme Song
Although in the 1st manga it has been confirmed that Ichigo's theme song is News from the Front, would it be safe to assume that it changed when they made an anime of it the theme changed to Number one by Hazel Fernandes as most of the time when he fights this song plays? Kurosaki-Kun 11:59, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No. If anything, that's the "Battle Theme", or something along those lines. It plays when anything particularly awesome happens in the anime, not just when Ichigo shows up (though that does happen more often than not). If Kubo specifically stated his theme song is "News from the Front", then that's what it is. Period. Word of God, my friend. ShadowDragoonFTW 04:54, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Correction on Ichigo's age
Ichigo should be 16 on his profile, because according to the character book souls, Renji and byakuya came to the world of the living on August 7, Ichigo's birthday had already past. So the correction should be age 15 through volume 6, age 16 onwards. --Lemursrule 03:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

It says that Ichigo is technically the younger to reach Bankai, I think he isn't, because Hitsugaya is younger than Ichigo, and he wasn't in the Turn Back The Pendulum Arc, so we can suppose that Hitsugaya don't have at least 100 years.

Actually Hitsuguya is the youngest captain ever. He is not younger then ichigo even though he looks younger. Yachiru is about 100 yrs old but looks like a kid as Kenpachi found her before he was captain and became captain a bit before urahara did 110 yrs ago. Shnigami age differently then humans do. Hitsuguya maybe isnt 100 but he would most likely be 50 something or other. Ichigo on the other hand is just 15 or 16. Salubri 11:38, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I cite Chapter -12.5, Blooming Under A Cold Moon. In this chapter, taking place approximately twelve and one-half years before the start of the series, Hitsugaya is already at Captain-Level. So, he has his Bankai while Ichigo is still just a child of four or five years old. ShadowDragoonFTW 04:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Hitsugaya was alive when Renji, Kira and Riuka attended the shinigami academy as Hinamori was in class with Renji and Kira

Ichigo shouldn't be put as 16, until it says somewhere on the manga, then we have to keep it as 15 years old, it should be put back as 15, for now, until it says he turned 16, thats what i think we should do, or if Tite Kubo says that he's 16 User:Zangetsu20

Getsuga Tenshō English Anime Name?
Hello. I am just curious about this small detail (hope that I am not too much of a bother). I wonder where in the English Anime is Getsuga Tenshō translated as "Piercer of Heaven"? Is this possibly the Viz or a Fan translation? I have yet to see this translation used--Nwang2011 05:12, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, Byakuya said in the Soul Society arc, when Ichigo first uses the technique. Ichigo calls out its name and Byakuya translates.--Kylecharmed 19:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah. I see now (Episode 58). Thank you for telling me.--Nwang2011 03:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Blood type?
Alright. This has been bothering me for some time now. On some sites I've read his blood type is O. On others it's A. For a Bleach: HTS manual, it's AO. Is that even possible? Or probably an error? I don't know. Either way, what the hell is his correct blood type?~Lady Nevaeh 11:23, 14 July 2009

It's AO, but as I've explained in past edits, O is actually a recessive trait and would technically just be listed as A. Same cases with blood type BO, it would only be listed as B in most cases. Arrancar109 03:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay then. Thanks.~Lady Nevaeh 11:48, 14 July 2009

Zangetsu
Shouldnt we convert Zangetsu into a character page? With this sudden new arc, it would make sense. All the other zanpakuto have a spirit page, so should he. We should also do the same thing for Renji's Zabimaru once we see her in the arc.--Kylecharmed 15:53, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * No! the main reason that those article were created was to separate the two. As you saw Renji's and Hitusgaya's spirit look different so we made a special page for those characters. Zangetsu hasn't shown up yet so he doesn't get a page for his spirit yet. If his spirit is shown to have adifferent look than we'll use that Zangetsu as the basse of the article, in any rate this info wil remain here as it is canonical to the manga, and the spirit pages are for their anime only selves. WhiteStrike 16:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Template
WHat is the name of the template for all these character pages?


 * Its called an Infobox. Minato  20:54, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Powers and Abilities Exaggeration
Now, I like Ichigo about as much as the next bleach fan, but it seems to me that the info in his "Powers and Abilities" section is a little overboard. I don't consider Ichigo to be a "Master Swordsman". More like an "Accomplished Swordsman". He has been a shinigami for only a year. A super-fast growth rate doesnt make him master in all shingami techniques except kido in a year. He isnt a "Shunpo Master" but an "Accomplished Shunpo User". Byakuya, Yoruichi, Kyoraku, Ukitake, Soifon.... those people are shunpo masters because they know more than just how to use it. they know exactly how it works, as well as all the other techniques. Ichigo possesses a lot of power, sure, but at this point he isnt a master at anything except never winning fights with espada the first time around. Neither does he possess "Genius-Intellect". He doesnt think well at all on his feet. Plus, the only way he ever learns ANYTHING is by losing, then trying again, then losing, etc etc. It didnt even occur to him to talk to Zangetsu to find out something other than Getsuga Tensho to use in battle. Being able to fight at captain level doesnt necessarily put you at captain level. Give him a hundred years, sure. But learn some kido first.--Ulquiorra Wannabe128 08:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

On this wiki we only use Master Expert and practitioner to keep it simple, Master swordsman due to the fact that he fought on par with Kenpachi, Byakuya, Amagai and even Cifer, it only said advanced growth rate simply means he's a quick learner such as in his fights with the Espada and Byakuya as well he was defeated the first time but quickly learned their tactics and movements after seeing them once, Shunpo master because even Byakuya said so himself and as you said so yourself Byakuya is a shunpo master, and even though he's not mastered it to the same degree as Ukitake, Kyoraku, Yamamoto and Yourichi have it's still valid. If you recall his battle with Renji in the heat of battle he remembered Urahara's lessons and managed to find a way through Zabimaru. Finally for Kido it would be pretty tough because yes he does suck at controlling his Reiatsu but the main reason for this is because he simply does not want to learn since he's seen it a dozen times.--SalmanH 09:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

This is a prime example of someone not reading the article but glossing over it and then throwing their opinion behind something they didn't read. If you had read the section you would note why Ichigo is considered a Master at swordsmanship, no one would dispute that if you get in a full on battle with Zaraki or Byakuya you most likely wont come out alive and in his case he beat them in a draw, something impossible for someone being who he is as fast as he did it. He earned the title. Secondly there is no mention of him being a master at shunpo, an expert yes, he is taught by Yoruichi and even complimented on his skill by Byakuya, one of the most advanced users in the series. Does he have an advanced growth rate. Of course no one gains bankai that fast, learns fighting skills that fast and then takes on a 3rd seat, a lt and two captains and 3 more lts. within what amounts to one month with previously you barely knew anything about what was going on or the levels of power of the people your fighting. I think the issue thats the point here is no one says he is a captain, does he have the power level of one, yes its in that range, does he have the skills of one, no, he can hang with them yea he can but he doesn't know kido or have any understanding of it at any level. Does he know all the zanjutsu techniques no, does he know all the shunpo techniques no, Does he know hakuda, no but he has trained in martial arts as its known in the living world. No one is saying he up there with Urahara, Yoruichi, Soifon, Byakuya, Ukitake, Yamamoto; as these people are worlds away from him in knowledge and ability and it would take more years then knows to even qualify. Does his article detailing his skills take away from theirs no, and i seriously doubt anyone would go down that route. He is an excellent combatant who is learning as he goes and the fact that he is a vizard gives him extra powers and abilities to draw from in hard situations that the shinigami dont have to lean on. They are always portraying their role as they know their powers and limitations. Ichigo is outside that confine because he doesn't know his as of yet and his by virtue of what he is extends farther then theirs does.Salubri 15:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Substitute shinigami
I was watching episode 63 again and I found that Ukitake said that there were other shinigami substitutes in ancient times and that badge or others like it were given to them now it's most likely the subbing group but can anyone clarify.--SalmanH 17:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

In ep 63 both the english dub & japanese dub, Ukitake states that there have been a few other cases, but none of these former substitutes have been mentioned prior or since. Minato88 21:11, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Trivia
in regards to the Ichigo never killing an espada point, i haven't read the manga where he fights Grimmjow for the last time but in the anime there is no indication that Grimmjow still lives after their battle, in fact theres sad mournful music afterwards when ichigo is taking in Grimmjows defeat, which nulls this point. Viperaspec 05:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

It was Nnorita who finished off Grimmjow in any case. On the flipside, I'd consider Ulquiorra an Ichigo kill, even if it's inner-hollow mode it was still Ichigo's hands that inflicted the fatal blows. ZeroSD 05:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

oh duhh i cant believed i missed that, thats exactly why i hate filler arcs in the middle of story sections, thank you for setting that straight for me. but since we make the distinction of ichigos hollow self as a separate entity i think technically inner-hollow should get the win for that. Viperaspec 06:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Altered a bit to mention the inner hollow.

Also, the current wording? "so he felt it was a HOLLOW victory"?

Think about it. ZeroSD 06:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

i agree the wording you've put up reflects how it actually is and i think it works wonderfully, as for that phrase i think it was a unintentional pun on the authors part not necessarily a reference, i havent seen the romanji of it but i would think they didnt write the japanese word for the "hollow" instead of the word for hollow. Viperaspec 07:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC) (i keep forgetting to add my sig)

Determination
I had the same problem with tolerance that used to be on the Hitsugaya Toshiro page, how is determination an ability or power it may seem right on some levels but in general it would fit in the personality section shouldn't it?--SalmanH 13:04, September 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * User:SalmanH i'm sorry that it seems like no 1 is answering any of your questions. I agree & I think it should be moved to his personality. Editing Ichigo's page seems to be a full time job around here since he is the main character & many users seem to hype his ability & it seems that many fan fic type of things keep getting added. In the future if no one replies to your question just come to Talk. Minato88 03:02, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

I would agree. I've noticed that when people try to add similar categories to other people's pages, it just gets removed. I can see it being grouped up with the brief summary of his abilities before the specific list. (i.e. "In general, it seems that the strength of Ichigo's abilities depends on his will and determination to use them." or whatever) But I question having an entirely separate section on it, as if it can't be considered an ability for anyone else, I don't see why he gets a special exception. Twocents 03:23, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses.

Partner?
Usually the "partner" field is occupied by people who have captain-vice-captain type relationships. So I am wondering under what criteria Rukia is listed as Ichigo's partner? I mean, Sado has been fighting by Ichigo's side long before he became a shinigami. As a shinigami Ichigo generally fights alone. True Rukia did mentor him during Agent of the Soul Society arc and turned up for his fights with Grimmjow while in Karakura town but is that really enough? To me that's a bit too fanfiction like. I say either we list all his friend Sado, Ishida, Orihime and Rukia or none at all. Tinni 13:07, September 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * I totally agree, i saw that and was like...... "WTF is this? someone trying to marry them or something??"--G3N3T1C 00:44, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

I can understand the concern here, and it is a good point to point out. I'm not sure who originally posted it, but I think it's been stuck on there for as long as it has been, since in the Anime, Rukia is seen working with Ichigo in a lot of cases more than anyone else in the Agent of the Shinigami arc, the Amagai arc, the recent Zanpakuto Tales arc, and the Bleach movies (including the 2nd OAV special). Yes, I can that people are thinking "What the hell is it with this?", but that's why it's stuck for so long. But since that most of these cases are outside manga-canon, I guess it wouldn't hurt to add Uryu, Orihime, Chad, and Renji to that list as well. Arrancar109 05:10, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Im not sure it would seem that Rukia is with him in a combat sense more then anyone of them. She is his most direct link to the shinigami, Gotei 13 and Soul Society when it comes to an issue and she basically lives with him. The others are friends he has had from school and have gained abilities and fight but doesn't make them anymore partners. I would see Rukia as more of a partner though if thats the case that people don't think so then it would probably be better if he had nothing in the box. Cause then we would have to put ikkaku and yumichika next to yachiru on zaraki's page, they tag along but she is with him most of the time as well. Yea im for just making it blank if its an issue.Salubri 05:25, September 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I am actually in favour of not having anything in the box. If you take out the anime fillers and the movie, she hasn't really been with Ichigo a lot since the Agent of the Soul society arc. I mean, when she returned to the world of the living at the start of the Arrancar Arc she did move back in with Ichigo but it was in a different capacity. She wasn't living in his closet again (I won't go into a rant here about how stupid it is that in the filler arcs she's STILL living in his closet) BUT more importantly, Ichigo left to train with the vizards shortly after and then Rukia herself returned to Soul Society to train with Inoue. I guess what I am trying to say that, yes she was his partner during the Agent of the Soul Society arc but I can't agree with that statement any more. Ichigo has other links with the Gotei 13 (Urahara Kisuke seems to have returned to favour at least with the Captain-commandar). Other members of the Gotei 13 communicate directly with him and in fact that last time the Gotei 13 had to get a message to him, they used Inoue not Rukia. So... I can understand why it's there and why it's stuck around but from the perspective of the manga I am not sure it is justified any more. Tinni 06:56, September 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I went ahead & changed Ichigo's partner & deleted the section. If anyone disagrees with this action leave a message on my talk page & i'll change it back. Minato88 21:29, September 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * I have since gone and brought the other two place Rukia is listed as Ichigo's partner in line with his page. Honestly, if there is any place where the whole "partner" argument falls apart it's the Vizard page. There everybody else has their former captain and former vice-captain listed and Ichigo has... Rukia... it's a bit too fanfiction like for my taste. Tinni 23:09, September 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * I have never been able to understand this "Rukia is partner" she was his sensei or his boss. She keeps bossing him around :) I have never found any hints of a romance between them. Actually I never found any hints of Ichigo having a romantic inerest in anyone at all. It all fanfiction. User:Ljonynja00:59 November 14, 2009 (GTM)


 * ... that's not the kind of partner we are talking about. Tinni 01:08, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Voice Actor Changing??
I was surfing voice actors to see the people behind the animes, and i come across a video on youtube where someone psted a comment. It said that Bosch was getting replaced.....

"I heard that the voice actor for ichigo is going to be sasori akasunas english voice actor from the show﻿ naruto is that true or not" Posted September 19th 2009 by sasori2dei

I'm not believing it, but was just checking if anyone had the scoop [if there is one]--G3N3T1C 00:48, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

It's probably fake,but I'll look around.

Sting! TenRyuoh! 00:53, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Like i said, im not believing it, just checking for that slim possibility....--G3N3T1C 01:01, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you,sometime people on youtube lie. I won't believe it until I see a confirmation for my self. Sting! TenRyuoh! 01:04, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Just looked it up, and Sasori's English voice is Bosch. Mystery solved.

Sorry about that. Forgot to sign the last message. Humbart Wessel 05:47, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Trivia Again
In the trivia it says Uryu during the agent of shinigami arc asked Ichigo how he was able to defeat the hollows & Ichigo replies "spur of the moment". Can I ask how this is related to anything & why it is even in the trivia? Minato88 19:02, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * No clue, but I got rid of it. The problem with Trivia sections these days is that sometimes, some members put just about anything on them (which is something I usually try to fix if it comes up). Not sure who put that there or why, but yeah, there seemed to be no point... literally. It just said that and not what the reasoning for it might be. Arrancar109 19:07, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that I think I posted it a year back however no one seemed to object and with new trivia coming in I assumed people were fine with it, however you're right it doesn't really belong in the trivia section but in my opinion it does seem part of his personality.--SalmanH 16:46, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Trivia overhaul
Am I the only one who thinks that Ichigo's trivia section is just ridiculous? There are trivias there the length of a paragraph! Trivias should be short bits of interesting information that may not be all that obvious from reading the article as a whole. I am not sure most of Ichigo's trivias quality for that definition and some of them just seem like junk. So I propose a full overhaul of the trivia section. Tinni 06:38, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * I have talked to both Salubri & Arrancar109 about things on Ichigos page & they both said that his page in general is in need of an overhaul. I think there waiting because of Ichigos new mask, hollow powers, etc. Also Salubri knows it will take alot of work & time & hes busy with other things. Minato88 16:24, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Missing pic
Has anyone noticed that the image in the fake karakura arc section where Ichigo's inner hollow took over and defeated Ulquiorra is gone?--SalmanH October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * I just noticed this as well. U should ask Arrancar109 or Salubri if they think it needs to be reposted. Minato88 15:25, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Hollow Mask
Is it possible that Ichigo's New mask is a combination of the past two?

Sting! TenRyuoh! 18:19, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * What do u mean past two? Minato88 18:27, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

His First one and the Evolved one.

Sting! TenRyuoh! 18:34, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * I only know of two. The one he has now while fighting Yammy & the one he got after he defeated his Inner Hollow. If your talking about the first one looking different early on in the anime/manga, then I don't think so. The first one was like an imperfect version of the one he got after defeating his Inner Hollow, likely due to his Inner hollow still being young & hadn't fully developed his power inside of Ichigo. If u want to discuss this further then u should create a Forum about this in the watercooler, as Ichigos talkpage isn't really the right place to talk about this sort of thing. Minato88 18:43, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Cancer
Shouldn't you guys put Zodiac Sign: Cancer on the infobox ? I read it at Chapter 27 page 01. I don't know about the other guys i just started reading the manga. Kyuubinaruto123 18:36, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Good Question, but I doubt the others will go for this. If someone can't figure out hes a cancer by his birthdate then their in trouble. Minato88 20:17, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Trivia section clean-up
Removed triva,

The remains of Ichigo's robes when he was critically injured by Ulquiorra's black Cero almost perfectly mirrors what they looked like when he was transformed into a Hollow during his Vizard training, with one of his legs showing out completely.

''Ichigo has been heavily injured thanks to some of his greatest battles: He has been impaled through the chest twice by Ulquiorra Cifer, each time making Ichigo appear to have a Hollow hole, once by Kenpachi with his sword, and was also shot through the shoulder by a Byakurai via Byakuya Kuchiki,[14] and in the foot by a Senkei Senbonzakura Kageyoshi blade. He was also impaled in the right arm by Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez in their second fight to keep Ichigo from dodging a point blank Cero. After Ichigo's fight against Grand Fisher, Rukia implies that he had a "gaping hole in his chest," caused by one of the Hollow's long claws''

Ichigo is technically the youngest known Shinigami ever to achieve the Bankai stage, as he achieved Bankai at the age of 16 (whereas any other Shinigami with Bankai would likely be centuries old, with a possible exception of Tōshirō Hitsugaya), as well as the only known Human to achieve Bankai.

''In the English anime, Ichigo is noted to call someone captain three times: Ichigo called Jūshirō Ukitake captain twice, both at the end of The Bount arc and when they meet up in the Human World in Bleach: Memories of Nobody, and Ichigo also called Byakuya Kuchiki captain at the end of The Bount Arc when Byakuya glared at Ichigo and Renji for arguing outside of Rukia's room while she was resting. As opposed to calling Ukitake captain out of respect, Ichigo called Byakuya captain out of fear.''

He was one of the Vizard, along with Kensei Muguruma and Mashiro Kuna, to be shown in a fully Hollowfied state.

''Ichigo is the only Vizard to have shown the ability to evolve their masks. So far, Ichigo's mask has gone under at least 2 changes. Its primitive design was much longer and narrower and only had markings on the top left, while the second form was more skeletal and had some markings on the bottom left as well. The third stage of Ichigo's mask has two lines that stretch from the top to bottom on both sides. There is dispute that a third change occured due to the fact that the number of red lines on the mask's second form grew since its introduction.''

No one cares how many times Ichigo called someone captain, how long he can maintain bankai, "technically" we get that Ichigo is the youngest to achieve bankai, the state of his robes is of no importance and his heavy injury is not trivia. His mask evolution belongs in the powers section and the rest are just junk trivia. Do not add again unless you can convince us that one of the above triva was indispensably useful to the article. Tinni 09:51, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

I agree with all of those except the one regarding Ichigo being in his bankai state for so long. If he contended with another character for the title of "longest bankai user" and won by only a chapter or two, then it would be a worthless trivia fact. But he has been in bankai for almost exactly a hundred chapters, easily ten times longer than any other shinigami capable of using it. This is a significant fact, especially considering that a bankai is supposed to dissipate when one is close to death/dead. For Ichigo, this has not been the case, despite his fight with Ulquiorra and his subsequent hollowification. Mohrpheus 15:19, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... Ichigo's bankai not dissipating is a signification fact and a worthy trivia, especially since I don't think that's mentioned in the arc synopsis. You can put it in if you want or I can do it. However, longest bankai is something of a speculation. Because, while he has been in bankai for a 100 chapters, within the manga that 100 chapters has been no more then an hour. Can we really say that no one else has been in bankai for 1 manga hour? I mean Renji when training Chad seems to have been in bankai all day long. Hitsugaya is the only one known to have a time limit on his bankai and his fight with Harribel probably did go for an hour as well. It seems a bit too speculative to me. However, I am happy to put that trivia back if others things that it is worth putting back. Tinni 15:29, October 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm... on second thought. I'll put that back in for now. But I am not totally comfortable with it because, as I said above, it seems a bit too speculative. But I am happy to leave it if other people think it is not speculative. Tinni 15:48, October 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * He holds the record (with Kisuke Urahara) of shortest known time for achieving the Bankai stage. He also holds the record (with Hiyori Sarugaki) for the longest time of fighting the inner Hollow.


 * Ichigo has been in his Bankai state longer than any other Shinigami in the series, since he used it last in his third fight with Grimmjow in Chapter 279, he has yet to disengage it. His bankai also did not dissipate when Ulquiorra put a hole through his chest.

I don't see how the top one is trivia & the last part on the bottom one is inaccurate. I see u have been debating over the bottom one, but I don't like it in the trivia. If it should be mentioned it should be stated in his Bankai abilities section. Minato88 20:56, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

It might be edited to state that he's been in Bankai for more chapters than any other character, instead of just saying longer than any other character. I agree with Tinni on this one. Ulyenov 17:06, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

I will reiterate myself. If it is worthy of being mentioned(which I think it is). Then it should be mentioned in his Bankai's Abilities section, not in the trivia. In the near future I plan on beginning the overhaul on the main characters pages. Minato88 17:28, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

After reading chapter 382 it is clear that the state of his robes is of importance after all - at least while he is in bankai User:Ljonynja 01:14, November 14, 2009


 * That maybe so but that trivia is still junk. In addition, Ichigo's explanation about his robes should already be in the fake karakura town arc synopsis and/or the section about his bankai. Trivia should have addition information, not repeat information already in the article. Tinni 01:22, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Mask evolution
Discussion moved to Forum:Ichigo's_mask_evolution. Tinni 03:55, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Two speed sections
I saw Xxerowolf's. I agreed with his edit and I don't think there needs to be two different sections for speed on any page. He kept the references so his edit was okay. Maybe I can redo that and word it differently. Tho I agree that a change like that needs to be discussed first. So here is the section to discuss it. Minato (Talk)  18:48, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Ok well basically its like this one Minato i know your trying to help but you dont need to put up talks for other users, if they cant be bothered to initiate a conversation on a topic then they really dont want to be apart of the community or dont find it the serious of a cause that something needs to be changed or discussed. Two as from what i can see both are relevant as, speed and flash steps are two different things why they both are connected ichigo was obviously faster then normal without knowing flash steps and then later he achieved it. Now there are instances in the current battles where he uses his natural speed in combat over his flash steps. Seeing as flash steps are something that needs to be taught over speed which one can naturally develop and train for without needing formal instruction. Prime example zaraki he apparently know some flash steps but never really uses or doesnt have any real skill it, hence he runs everywhere and he is naturally fast, does his speed have anything to do with flash steps no, so in the event that he uses flash steps it does not reflect on his skill naturally and they are two different skills. Also natural running is shown in the series over use of flash steps and vice versa. Salubri 19:22, December 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * I wasn't actually bringing it up for Xxerowolf. I was just saying I agreed with his edit. The guy just joined today so I wasn't sure about his motives for the future. All of that is meaningless tho. I felt the Shunpo was speed or atleast in the same category, but now that I think about it Shunpo is just a variation of speed, better known as Hoho. So I see u'or point and agree with it. So, this discussion is now closed. Minato  (Talk)  19:38, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo's powers and abilities
I think that Ichigo's "learn as you go" comment shouldn't be in his swordsmanship summary as that would suggest his swordsmanship is the only thing improving as he battles.

One sign your comments and two unless it can be determined another teachable skill is being learned im not sure what the issue is. Last checked swordsmanship was what he used to fight with no formal teaching. He knows any kido or hakuda and his shunpo has not advanced nor could it be determined that it has as his bankai (which he constantly uses) by the nature of its ability is what determines his speed. Thus leaving swordsmanship hence the point of it being there. The only thing he improves in is personal power which has nothing to do with generic learnable skill. Salubri (Talk)  16:24, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

New Template: Education
Wouldn't "Karakura High School" fit in education? Just asking. --Gold3263301 23:32, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

It would, yes, but that template is still new and is still being worked on. I'm thinking about reverting my edit until we're sure it's fixed completely. Arrancar109 (Talk)  23:34, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

The template is currently fixed and High School Level is considerably a general and appropriate way of discerning his education. Listing Karakura town highschool wouldnt make sense it is a place and while representing a level of of education it isn't the correct way to discern that level. Salubri (Talk)  19:12, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Romantic feelings
Several female characters in the series have possibly developed romantic feelings for him, often due to his inwardly compassionate nature, namely Orihime Inoue, Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck, Ririn, and possibly, Rukia Kuchiki, Tatsuki and Senna.

I have just removed the above line from the article. The way I see it, if a sentence uses "possibly" even once then it's speculation and as such it shouldn't be allowed in the article. The above line uses "possibly" twice. There is not a shred of evidence that anyone other then Orihime has romantic feelings for Ichigo. I am sure they all like Ichigo but "love"... let's leave that kind of thing to fanfiction please. Orihime is the only person who can be said to be in love with Ichigo because she's the only one Kubo unambiguously said was in love with Ichigo. Tinni  (Talk)  10:42, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * You know, I'm pretty sure that I deleted that very same thing a couple of months ago. You are right. If it says possibly then it is speculation. And if such a thing is stated in the story, then we need a reference for it, otherwise it will just keep being removed. -- Yyp  (Talk)  13:56, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Bankai
I was wondering about his bankai's supposed initial weakness. In the article it says that Hollow Ichigo commented about his inexperiance at using his bankai caused his bones to crack from his own spiritual pressure. He states here with his words "Just being in his Bankai's spiritual pressure made your bones shake like crazy!!" This means that he was talking to Ichigo meaning it was the spiritual pressure of Byakua's bankai that cracked his bones. WolfMaster 01:53, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, it was his own spiritual pressure that caused his bones to break/shake (not sure which one due to different translations). Gold3263301 03:45, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

So is it 'moon cutter' or 'cutting moon'
Wouldn't it be a better policy to just arbitrarily choose one or the other? Maybe we can put it up to a vote, come the end of next month, on top of voting for the following month's chosen article, quote and image, we can have a "special election" so to speak, to choose one or the other. How's that sound? Weedefinition 18:46, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

There both the same in a sense but, cutting moon is the literal translation.Littlekill3r 16:46, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

For things like attack names, when it comes to the manga and subbed anime, it's mostly up to the translators how the name would be set, but I agree with LIttlekill3r on "cutting moon" being the literal translation, and I believe that we should have it set on the page Timmage 09:47, February 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * This has been decided upon already, with help from our translator Adam Restling. Below is what he said about Zangetsu (note that this is a small extract from a much larger post). -- Yyp (Talk) 10:03, February 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * For Zangetsu I would use "slaying moon" for 斬 is more rightly "slay," and not merely "cut" (which is usually 切 setsu, sai | kiru), so I think it's right to distinguish the two, especially since it is zan and not setsu/sai used in the name. Tensa Zangetsu I think it's safe to keep "heaven-chain slaying moon" instead of "heavenly ~" without sacrificing anything for this more literal approach. Adam Restling 07:44, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Status
Shouldn't Ichigo's status be change to fighting aizen as other characters was put as fighting someone so I don't see why it shouldn't be done to IchigoTensa Zabimaru 04:59, March 19, 2010 (UTC).

Stats
Ichigo's birthday is July 7th not 15th look in manga 6 i thinkSethgrrr 17:00, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * As stated in the Bleach Wiki:Manual of Style, we use the most recently released information when it comes to statistics like birthdays and height. The reference given for the birth date is the databook SOULs, which was released after the Ichigo's profile in the manga. -- Yyp (Talk) 13:51, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Mask-enhanced Spiritual Power and Bankai-enhanced Strength
"While wearing the mask, the spiritual power Ichigo possesses becomes even greater than before. During Ichigo's fight with Grimmjow the 3rd Espada, Tia Harribel, notes that the volume, concentration, and catastrophic nature of his reiatsu didn't seem like that of a human but more like she was watching a fight between two Espada. It has been noted multiple times that with the mask on his spiritual energy changes into something similar to that of a hollow."

Could you add that upon releasing, it is able to negate powerful attacks, and then use the negating of Gokei and Gran Rey Cero as references?

"Also, upon releasing, it seems to allow Ichigo to break free from any attack that binds him or holds him down."

Could you also move this statement to the enhanced strength part of the Bankai section, add more references, and change "and prevents him from moving" with the bolded part?

I also couldn't help but notice this typo:

"With the use of his new mask, when he used Getsuga Tenshō with a single-arm, and it immediately sent Yammy Riyalgo down to the ground head first while he was in his much larger and stronger Resurrección state."

The bolded part, as well as the hyphen inbetween "single" and "arm", should be removed. You can leave "and" and take out "when" instead.--Gold3263301 01:31, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well firstly the page is under overhaul by the admin so its constantly being fixed. Secondly some of what you have suggested is the main reason the page needed to be overhauled. Largely erroneous information placed in the wrong information based on opinion. There is no evidence that his hollowfication is a release but only the ability to don a hollow mask. It doesn't affect anything it just shows a release of spiritual energy but just for show. There is nothing that states in his fights that it affects anything physically. There is already a reference to him blocking Gran Rey cero under strength. Blocking not negating which insinuates that he completely stopped it from working which he did not he blocked a already released blast. He has never had Gokei used on him. Nor is there anything that provides a situation of holding him down accept in non canon material. As far as the typo it was fixed but please don't insult me by assuming to tell me how to reference when ive been doing it for 4 years. The current presentation is how it is supposed to be. Anything not done yet will be. Salubri (Talk)  02:33, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well, at least I understand better why Ichigo's page is still protected. I find this statement to be odd, however, as it is under his strength when he probably used his spiritual pressure instead:

"He has shown himself to be capable of destroying the Arbor of the Sōkyoku, seemingly an impossible feat, surprising the Gotei 13."--Gold3263301 02:48, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Why Is there no editing for Ichigo's page?
Will this block you put on Ichigo's page be lifted before Tuesday night? I enjoy helping out by updating the character pages as soon as new episodes and chapters come out. Steveo920 20:31 January 18, 2010

There is no set time when it will be unlocked it is going through extensive maintenance and referencing. Salubri (Talk)  02:20, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

why can't i edit ichigo's page no-more, i didn't do anything wrong on it. BlackGhost91 13:58, April 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * It is not that you did anything wrong. Access to the article has been restricted to admins only as the page is being overhauled. It is currently unknown when this will be completed. Yyp  (Talk) 14:30, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

ooo ok BlackGhost91 15:07, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Debut
I think his manga debut should read 'pilot episode' Weedefinition   (Talk)  16:48, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

New Pic


There is a new pic overhaul going on throughout Bleach.Wikia. Ichigo's page did not receive one. If anyone thinks a new main character pic should be added to his page this is the section to do so. Minato 20:54, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Similar to Kenpachi's, I really don't think Ichigo needs a new pic. This one's been pretty good, and he really has no real change for him in appearance anyway. Arrancar109 21:01, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

The one in the article seems to be fine already. However, I'm all for it if a more recent image that is just as good can be found. Mohrpheus 21:03, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think there is anything wrong with the current one, so I haven't been keeping an eye out for one for him. The only decent shot I have of him is this one from FTB. -- Yyp  (Talk)  22:57, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

I actually like that one. It is newer, but if no one else likes it, I will not suggest it be replaced. Minato 23:22, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Even if I did think the pic needed changing (I still do not), that one has Ichigo's bangs going too low over his eyes. Arrancar109 06:01, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

I have been thinking for sometime that Ichigo's picture needs to change. It's boring, old and tired. Not to mention his design has changed subtle. I therefore like to throw the pic to the left from episode 215 into the mix and revive this topic. Tinni  (Talk)  14:09, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Well, if enough people speak up, we'll consider changing it. As for my current opinion of this pic... I think one where he's not in his bankai state would be best. I mean, yes, he's been in his bankai state since fighting Grimmjow, and he uses his bankai a lot in the current Anime arc (something I shall one day rant about), but it's not like he's permanently locked in that state. Arrancar109 (Talk)  14:19, December 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, if we go for changing it, this is the pic I'm thinking about from Episode 246. Arrancar109 (Talk)  14:27, December 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * I like it.--Gold3263301 18:42, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

He might not be locked in bankai mode but he does spend more time in bankai then off it these days. Plus he hasn't been shown out of bankai in the manga for YEARS!!!! So I am actually in favour of a pic of him in bankai. Tinni  (Talk)  14:33, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

I vote on the FTB1 pic. It's in good quality, and it is a really good screenshot, catching Ichigo with a kind of caring expression, which reflects his personality. ~ NOTASTAFF Ryun Uchiha (Ten Tailed Fox, Getsueikirite-taichou) (talk) 02:10, January 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * The FTB1 looks nothing like what Ichigo looks like normally! That's the worst choice of the bunch and looks like an drawing mistake! Tinni   (Talk)  02:43, January 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually it looks the best, but whatever. If that one won't do, then the one of him in his Bankai is my second choice; considering (like you said Tinni) that he has been in his bankai in the manga for years. ~ NOTASTAFF Ryun Uchiha (Ten Tailed Fox, Getsueikirite-taichou) (talk) 16:22, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

regarding the Kurosaki ichigo proflie Picture.. it should be changed to this. since this is the latest drawing style of ichigo...if youve noticed...they changed how he looks like 4 times now. this is the newest one ....from the latest Ichigo Vs Uliqiorra Episode the one you keep updateing is already outdated...its from episode 114 thats like more than 100 episodes ago....notice how it he looks very diffrent and less cool. please change it becuese its the newest style of ichigo and it just displays the charechter as Kubo Tite Wants him to look in this Arc. Retrieved from "http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Yyp"

We should put the pic of Ichigo versus Ulquiorra thats in the bottom of this new pic section, the people that make Bleach into a show, change how Ichigo looks, so i think we should put the new pic of Ichigo when he was going to start his fight with Ulquiorra User:Zangetsu20

I'm not for that pic, since it is of low quality, and as I stated many times, he's not permanently locked in Bankai (even though he has been Bankai for over 100 chapters in the manga, this I know). Then again, you might not be able to tell with this pic. If it's higher quality, I'll consider voting for it, since my primary issue with it in the first place is this pic's low quality. Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  06:26, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

I think you should use the versus Ulquiorra one, it's more serious than the other two, befitting ichigo's personality. -- WhiteArmor  (Talk)  16:47, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

It'd look very good if it was saved as a PNG and from a HQ (or HD) video. Also, where did the pic originate? Which episode, in other words? --Gold3263301 20:48, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hey i don't know if you are planning on changing his picture soon but i found this one, it shows more of him himself instead of just his face and i thought it would be a good picture

Well technically, all we really need of a profile picture is to show their face. Ichigo hasn't really changed in appearance, and recently, there doesn't seem to be any opportunities for a good screenshot of him. --Gold3263301 20:31, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

good point i just thought itd be a nice picture if they did decide to change it.IchigoFan24 20:36, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

That really doesnt go along with the rest of the pics on this site. Almost all profile pics are taken from the anime and not fan pics.--<font color="black" face="Verdana">Godisme <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  20:46, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Godisme is correct - we only use pictures from the anime (& the manga for characters that have not yet appeared in the anime). Yyp (Talk) 09:51, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Just throwing this in here. --| WhiteArmor | (Talk) |-- 18:58, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

I dont know which one to pick, the picture of when it was versus ulquiorra or the picture of episode 184, but actually now that i think of it, i like the episode 184 pic, it looks good and has good quality, so ill go for that one User:Zangetsu20

I'm still for 246. Vs. Ulquiorra will only work if the image is updated with a higher quality version of it, because, as it stands right now, it is a poor quality picture. I'm not sure if 184 will work, as he's not facing the camera. We can also try this one though, from 261. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  18:12, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

I think I'd be able to get a high-quality version of Vs Ulquiorra in about an hour or so. Maggosh 18:16, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should all just have a vote on this, like how we vote on quotes and pic of the month, because we need to seriously decided, we should just vote on the top three, and then vote again to see which one we should pic. Im just saying User:Zangetsu20

Well, that's how it works with profile pic changes anyway. We vote on which ones might be better, and at anytime, anybody can change their vote. The thing is that this topic is so old that a lot of voters have gone aloof. So far, we only got me, you, WhiteArmor, Maggosh, and Yyp (who has not yet commented, but probably will at some point). A pic can usually only be opposed if it doesn't meet up with the standard requirements (doesn't face the camera, not in daylight lighting (somewhat of a problem with the Zanpakuto spirits), battle-worn, not usually seen in a certain condition, poor quality, etc.). Then, an administrator, such as myself, has to make sure the most favored on meets all the requirements before putting it up. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  18:48, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Mine shows more of him but that's not as imporatant as him facing the camera is, I say go for 261. --| WhiteArmor | (Talk) |-- 18:52, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

For me, if we are going to replace it, then it is between "Episode 261" and "Versus Ulquiorra" (if a higher quality and better cropped version of the latter is available). I think 261 is better. Yyp (Talk) 19:24, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

To me, VS Ulquiorra looks like he's in Bankai; if memory serves, I thought we'd agreed to try to make it his normal robes if possible. Plus, there's all that smoke in the background. Despite the fact that the top of his head is missing, I'll vote for 261. TomServo101 20:40, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Vs Ulquiorra is closer to his current design, but the quality is disastrous and we all know that if he's fighting Ulquiorra he's necessarily in Bankai. 261 is wearing his usual Shihakusho but his face design seems a bit odd, dunno, like it's a bit too fat? (I'll die complaining about the drawing during filler arcs) but since Ichigo spends so little time in his normal attire, I guess we can't get too picky. If we don't have any better candidates, I'd say we go for 261, but I'd prefer to have other options. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  23:03, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

You're more than welcome to keep you eyes open for any potential shots as well. The best shots I could find were the ones of Episode 261 and Episode 246. But since nobody's voting on 246, my vote goes to 261, unless something better (and pre-Bankai) is found. And yes, Ichigo on 246 is pre-Bankai. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  23:17, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

I would once again like to lodge my protest at this pre-bankai business. He hasn't been out bankai in the manga for years! YEAR! Now that the anime has returned to manga based episodes, he's going to be in constant bankai in the anime for at least the next 22 weeks. This insistence on a non-bankai picture is groundless. Especially when his bankai alters nothing but his robes. It doesn't alter his facial features and even if it did, it would be all the more reason to have a bankai based picture. If the only reason for not using a bankai picture is that "well he's not locked in bankai", well he's not locked in Shinigami mode either! But I don't see people suggest pictures of him in human cloths! Just pick one of the bankai pictures, they look the best and are the most accurate representation of Ichigo as he is now. Also, no to 261, Ichigo's fringes are too long in that picture. Tinni  (Talk)  23:34, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Ok well as with all the pic conversations this is getting incredibly long and doesn't seem to be getting anywhere and there seems to be no reason for the amount of arguing going on when no actual results are forth coming. It would seem to hold until the next anime episode and pic whatever good screen shot one can get. Tinni is right in that he is manga based been in bankai for years and and in the anime feature of the material he is featured and being that the concept is to place a new pic up we would get no newer then placing one of the recent arc that we have been waiting quite some time for.<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  23:55, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

The only reason this discussion has been going on for so long is because of the "non-bankai" business. Pic from 215 was perfect from day one and could have been used from ages back if we had just gone past this "non-bankai" nonsense. Well let's get something clear, We are not about to get a non-bankai Ichigo picture. So let's just stop beating around the bush and use either the pic from 215 or the Vs Ulquoirra one, which by my count has the most votes and no object beyond "He's in bankai!". Tinni  (Talk)  01:50, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

So there's no "official" objection against bankai? I thought there was, that's why I voted against the bankai issue. My only current issue against "vs Ulquiorra" now would be the terrible quality. But I do agree with Tinni, Ichigo won't be out of Bankai at least as far as the manga goes. I got this shot from 266, maybe it needs cropping? to get rid of the logo of the TV and stuff, but I must get off-line, I just wanted to get the pic up to see if it could be acceptable? Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  02:04, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Somehow, I knew I was gonna lose this. Shows I wasted too much time debating over something utterly pointless. I'm with 266; it's essentially what we've been asking for with the "Vs Ulquiorra" one, and, unlike the 215 one, Ichigo's not standing at a weird angle. I took the liberty of cropping it, so it didn't have too much excess space in the pic. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  02:09, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Well that's settled. We are going with Lia's 266 picture. Tinni  (Talk)  02:21, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Finally, it's over…for now. --| WhiteArmor | (Talk) |-- 03:22, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

GIFS
i wanted to ask if people prefer gifs to jpg because ive got this great pic of ichigo taking the spritual pressure from rukia at the very start.KDOTKAY88 18:41, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

GIFs are for instantaneous abilities only (like Shinso's release, or Suzumushi's Benihiko). <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  19:13, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Removing Zangetsu (spirit) Section
Is there really any need to have the information on Zangetsu (spirit) on Ichigo's page? After all, Zangetsu already has a section of his own, along with the other Zanpakutō spirits. Shouldn't we remove that information? Seiyounashi 23:43, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

No. If you have noticed the only reason Zangetsu, Hyorinamaru and Zabimaru have their own pages is because they appeared in the anime only Unknown Zanpakuto Tales Arc. All information where they are featured on the wielder pages is the manga appearance. Anime only material is inconstant to the manga (which actually written and drawn by Kubo). These separate pages only detail information from the anime and considering that they are now largely over whatever information shown on those pages will be only from the two Unknown Zanpakuto Tales and Beast Sword arcs. Unless another anime only arc takes place featuring them. All canon information is listed on Ichigo's page entirely.<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  23:55, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, OK, that makes sense. Seiyounashi 00:04, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Talks about Status as Sub Shinigami
Recently I was looking at the Omakes and I realized that Kuramada Zennosuke actually is a really minor shinigami. He lacked the knowledge about the reason Rukia was caught and sent back to Soul Society (which is supposed to be a big crime and big news), so I would not be suprised that he is not informed about the Substitue Shinigami Ichigo as he is such a minor character in Gotei 13. I do think this is a worth noting point to put on. -KingBlackChicken

Anime for Manga
Stupid Admins protected the page >_> So Ill leave this picture from the Anime here, so it can replace the one in Manga. Sorry about the Quality.

Sign your posts. The page is being overhauled, so it will not be unprotected. Also, you have to wait until the episode is subbed. It doesn't matter if we already know what's going to happen, it has to be subbed before we can even think about putting it onto any pages. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  21:11, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Seems like I missed a discussion regarding this sometime ago, but I'd rather wait until a higher quality version of that image is uploaded. The image is of low quality, and I'd rather wait until a medium-quality or high-quality image is available. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  21:44, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

The image is up. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  05:51, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ichigo's powers
On the first paragraph they state that Ichigo is a human with shinigami powers. Shouldn't it be that he is a human with both hollow and shinigami powers?

So far Ichigo himself has only shown Shinimgami powers. Only his Inner Hollow has used Hollow Powers, and only when possessing Ichigo. Evnyofdeath 19:41, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

First and Second Mask the Exact Same Thing?
I don't really see how Ichigo's first and second mask are any different from each other. Perhaps merge the two parts together?--Gold3263301 22:57, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. If I remember correctly, Ichigo's mask remained virtually unchanged, but it did gain more and more stripes up until his fight with Grimmjow. So, there are technically more masks, but it'd be easier to just sum it up in two sections. Mohrpheus 23:47, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

I've also noticed that his third mask says that the right eye shows neither scelera nor iris. However, Chapter 396, page 10 says otherwise. Apparently, during his brief rampage, his scelera is black and his iris is probably yellow.--Gold3263301 02:58, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Bringing up an important point (though this topic is a tad old), Chapter 379 page 5. I was right; Rukia says that the pattern has been gradually changing, gaining more and more stripes. It would not be accurate to say "first" and "second" masks; they should be described/organized in a different way. Mohrpheus 23:57, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Got this point awhile ago just haven't gotten to it, this a pointless conversation from the beginning. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  00:04, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Ending the Four Month Protection
This article has been protected for the past four months due to "extensive maintenance". Now I obviously wasn't here, but it would at least seem that the maintenance period is over, and the article should allow standard editing.--TheUltimate3 22:38, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Actually its not over it just has been slow going is all. The whole point of the protection is to keep extensive work from being messed up by high volume edits. There are many things to do on site and this page has been a big labor due to the amount of content on it requiring the attention of all admin available. Though It should have been done already. I'll speak to the others about getting the edits done and having it open by the end of next week. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  22:49, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I suppose I should explain that while the personality, appearance, history, equipment, powers&abilities affiliation and quotes sections have been put in order, the plot section is still being rewritten and updated. I've gotten the plot done for chapters 1-46 and once I reach chapter 68, the agent of the shinigami arc will be done. Chapters 47-68 are currently squashed into a single, short paragraph, leaving out a massive amount of info. It is extremely slow going due to the fact that Ichigo has so many appearances, but now that I'm passed Ishida's debut, he is appearing less and less, so I'm getting through them a bit quicker now. I'll get as much of that done over the weekend as I can. And yes, I agree that 4 months is excessive, but we are getting there. 10:52, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Races
Why do you consider Ichigo is only a human and a vizard? He is a shinigami as well. He was born as a human, became a shinigami as a result of taking Rukia Kuchiki's shinigami powers, but (only) a substitute and became a vizard after subjugating his inner hollow. So, in fact, he is half-human, half-shinigami as stated by Captain Mayuri Kurotsuchi during the Fake Karakura Town. -- Gran Danku 16:59, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

By definition, a Vizard is a shinigami that has obtained Hollow powers, so I suppose that leaving shinigami there would have been redundant. However, I agree that shinigami should be put back in, considering that that is what Ichigo considers himself to be. There is also still the whole debate on whether or not Vizard is the name of Shinji's group or of the race itself. Mohrpheus 17:28, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Totally Opinion based topic. First He is a Shinigami because of his own powers not those he took from Rukia which were gone when she left back to Soul Society. Secondly He is a Substitute cause he is not a real Shinigami cause he still is living and has an actual human body technically. Thirdly a Vizard is a Shinigami who has attained Hollow powers. Gran Danku you have a tendency to to do alot of opinion based edits on the articles that are either incorrect or not necessary. A simple look through these pages Vizard, Shinigami, Hollow, Human, Ichigo Kurosaki would have corrected you on all those things you just stated entirely wrong. Also unless you can site where captain Kurotsuchi said such a thing it never happened. Seeing as that makes no sense being called half human and half spirit. You are either one or the other the only thing that covers is his partenage which is his father as a Shinigami and his mother as a human but his father was not a Shinigami at the time of he was born. Also until otherwise brought up by Kubo in the manga or elsewhere there is no debate on the Vizard being a group or race. Despite the fact that Ichigo can consider himself a Shinigami it doesn't make him one as he hasn't been since the inception of his hollow mask. We cant go by his ignorance of what he is because he isn't familiar with the spiritual world enough to be bothered with understanding races, techniques evolution or otherwise. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  19:40, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Chapter 409 Plot
Ichigo's page is still locked. I've written a synopsis of chpt 409:

Ichigo emerges in his inner world, and is shocked to find himself underwater. He is ridiculed by a hooded figure. Ichigo asks who the figure is, as he was expecting to see Zangetsu, and is scolded by the individual. He pulls out Ichigo's Bankai. He removes his hood to reveal a young man and attacks, being not willing to teach Ichigo the final Getsuga Tenshō. He reveals himself to be the spirit of Tensa Zangetsu. While Ichigo says he wants to protect Karakura Town, Tensa Zangetsu states he doesn't care about that, and what he wants is something different. .

Do with it what you will. <font color="red" face="Verdana">TomServo101 <font color="red" face="Verdana">(Talk)  22:00, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

New Bankai image
I think Ichigo shuold get a new Bankai image instead of that stupid back veiw one.

I know im using a back veiw but mine is more detailed and shows more.&nbspHollowIchigo58 01:24, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

The current one is fine--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  01:34, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, there's no real reason to change it. The current image clearly shows Ichigo's bankai blade and outfit. Prophet of Sanghelios 01:42, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

these are way more better, because it show's the front of him and there more detailed and besides you changed Renji and Toushiro's bankai image why not Ichigo's, you people have absolutely no taste what so ever.HollowIchigo58 03:30, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) Actually we all have opinion and everyone's taste is different, if we happen to like how the current one sits is our own perogative and we do not need to be insulted for it!! We respect that you have your own opinion but most of us so no reason to change the current image as it suits its purpose and like Lia Schiffer says, it's based on the original picture from when he first used Bankai, a pivotal moment in the series so it's nice the way it is!! SunXia 06:41, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

It's not a matter about "taste", it's about wether the image can properly show what it is meant to. In this case it's Ichigo's bankai, and the current image shows it just fine. I know your just trying to help, but we don't just replace long-standing images like this just because one person doesn't like it. Prophet of Sanghelios 03:42, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, please watch your language, insults are not tolerated in this wiki. As for your proposal, it is, as stated by others, simply unnecessary. We use the picture because it is based off from the original manga sketch drawn by Tite Kubo, from when Ichigo first used his Bankai, which is what we prefer to do. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  06:08, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Your right, you didn't ask for my opinion specifically. What you did do was propose that we replace an image with several alternatives that you provided. Generally what happens then is anyone interested enough will speak their opinion on wether the change is nessasary or not or provide alternative images themselves. Or what, did you just expect to put the images up and then what? No response at all? Prophet of Sanghelios 06:18, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

you change Sajin, Byakuya, Renji and Toushiro's bankai images.HollowIchigo58 06:44, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

The ones that were changed were for the sake of showing the entirety of the Bankai, in the case of large Bankais that couldn't be fully appreciated in the previous pictures. This is not Ichigo's case, there is no real need to change his current picture, as various users have pointed out already. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  06:52, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

They were changed because people decided they needed to be changed. Sajin's I believe was changed because the anime originally got the colour scheme wrong and so when he used it again in episode 220 we used a shot from there to show the correct colours. Hitsugaya I remember seeing someone say the image was poor quality and possibly not even from the anime. Renji and Byakuya were given much clearer and better quality images of their bankai upon request. All of these changes were agreed upon beforehand by the user's of this wiki, but right now those very user's are trying to tell you, this is not a nessasary change and we're all happy with what is being used currently. Prophet of Sanghelios 06:54, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Arc?!?
Are we going to put the current events (RKT events) under the FKT arc? <font color="dark grey" face="Tallys">BlazeUchiha <font color="red" face="Eurostile">(Talk)  13:48, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

We've had this discussion before, and recall ALL of the administrators saying that we're not going to make changes just yet. And I seriously don't want to see this question anywhere again, because it is unclear as to what direction these events are going, and we don't know how long the Deicide Chapters are going to be. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  16:34, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Why my edit it reverted?
The article as it is outright states that Ichigo's Inner Hollow was gains control of him after he's defeated by Ulquorria but then he manages to break free of it's control. This is innaccurate and has no evidence behind it, Ichigo can hollowify at will to a degree so why not further? Why would his inner hollow want to protect his friends when hollows normally want to kill friends and family members first? Plus he didn't "break free", Ulquorria caused his cero to explode causing the form to destabilise. All we see up into this point is a new more hollowified form similar to a ressurection and Ichigo in some form of beserk state...

Then Zangetsu outright states that Ichigo's fear isn't of his hollow but of the that form which causes Ichigo's destructive power to take over his heart. None of that implies anything other than Ichigo being the one in control of his body even if he wasn't in control of his own heart and mind at that point. "you feared transforming into this form, where your heart is overwhelmed by your own destructive power". If he was afraid of getting taken over by his hollow I think that would have been stated outright? No?

TL;DR: Don't edit back in your speculation. MrGradius (talk) 02:03, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

We say this because it is directly shown. First, it is shown when Ichigo is killed by Ulquiorra, the hollow immediately takes over. It is not so much trying to protect Ichigo's friends as defeat Ulquiorra. It will not harm Orihime though because of Ichigo's desire to keep her safe. How you could say Ichigo is in control is beyond me. He nearly killed Uryu and seeing as when Ichigo finally comes to, the mask breaks and he can't remember what happened. His hollow took over, end of story--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  02:19, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

And that isn't speculation? Zangetsu stating that it was just the form causing Ichigo to lose his sanity is speculation but "Ichigo isn't acting like himself and has little memory of what happened therefore it must be his hollow" isn't? :| In real life when people undergo the fight or flight reflex they can often go "stab happy" and then "black out" the memory of it... does that mean their inner hollow took over? I can appreciate you not wanting to change it to reflect what I believe happened, that WOULD be speculation but so is what there is now, your opinions arn't fact either. What's wrong with changing it to something that reflects exactly what was shown to happen not what was implied or what you think probably happened? MrGradius (talk) 14:11, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Godisme is correct. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the relationship between Ichigo and his Inner Hollow as shown thus far. The Inner Hollow has on numerous times stated that he desires to take over Ichigos body for himself and has in the past partially taken over in order to stop Ichigo being killed ( such as in the fight with Byakuya). When Ichigo hollowfied during the fight with Ulquiorra it was after he had been pushed to the brink of death, it is at this point that the Hollow again takes over. With ichigo at his weakest his will power alone can no longer hold back his inner hollow. Aside from this Ichigo in full hollow form attacks Uruyu, arguable one if Ichigos best friends. Furthermore in the most recent manga Ichigos Inner Hollow is seen int he full hollow form that Ichigo went into when fighting Ulqui, thus prooving that it was created under his influence. I dont see how you can continue to argue against these facts. GinIchimaru (talk) 14:29, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Tensa Zangetsu was shown wielding Tensa Zangetsu, by your logic Ichigo has never been in control of his body during Bankai. Ichigo's hollow is controls Ichigo's hollow powers, it would make perfect sense for him to be the one in that form, especially when the point of the fight it for Ichigo to confront that form.

Now I'm not saying Ichigo was necessarily in full control or even in control at all, simply that it wasn't necessarily his hollow taking over. Even then the caption "ichigo breaks free" would be incorrect, the form was shattered by UIquorria. It could be interpretted as Ichigo regaining his senses or being freed from his Hollow's control but "breaks free" implies that the cero exploding had no effect but that Ichigo was just fighting back for control which simply has no basis considering Ichigo was either unconcious during it (making it rather hard for him to "break free") or was in control but cannot remember it. Until one part of Ichigo's soul explicitly states that "lol he took over ur soul" it's going to remain speculation no matter what even if it would be a logical conclusion (similar to how it would be speculation to say that Hinamori, Hiyori, or Rangiku are dead even though they've been respectively stabbed and cut in half for several minutes). MrGradius (talk) 14:53, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what manga you read but it has been said that that form is his new hollow form. Ichigo had no control. That was his inner hollow. It is not speculation, it is fact. Cry all you want about it but the fact remains that Tite Kubo killed Ichigo and then had his hollow take over. More evidenced by the fact that he used Sonido during his fight with Ulquiorra.--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  14:59, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Killed? He's a soul, if he cannot die without his entire soul passing on to be reborn in the human world. That would be contrivining existing Bleach-universe logic.

We've seen the vizards use Cero but Sonido is impossible? That's speculation. Is it a new hollow form? Of course, there's clear. That doesnt mean he didn't force it out though.

There are a few facts that were stated though "that wasnt me". Ichigo's logical non-instinctive and "concious" side was definitely not in control. The destructive power form takes overwhelms Ichigo's heart and he fears the form specifically (this again is outright stated by a character in unambiguous terms). What would be the point of a form that takes over Ichigo's heart if Ichigo isn't even in control during it?

Unless of course you're saying that the following things are impossible: A vizard using hollow powers instinctively. Short term memory loss due to trama. Someone loosing control and going bat shit crazy to the degree they try and kill a friend.

I find the concept of a mortally wounded (it's actually shown over two pages that Ichigo is fully awake and concious of Inoue's attempts to heal him on the ground but unable to move) Ichigo hearing his friend's desperate sobs for help and pulling out his hollow's full power, getting overwhelmed by it and going temporarily insane as a result of it (which is what TZ's speech implies is the effect of the form) slightly more likely than Hollow Ichigo being brought out by Ichigo's will to protect Inoue and then going around chanting "I will protect you" rather than his usual "Ichigo you're so weak AHAHAH". Plus isn't Ichigo hurting his friends far more interesting to the plot than his hollow taking over again forcing a battle where Ichigo must use his true instincts to gain control of his soul once and for all ... again...?

There is atleast some "evidence" that points to both sides. I don't see what would be so terrible about changing the article to reflect what we saw happened rather than what may have been implied to have happened? MrGradius (talk) 15:17, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Im done arguing, The facts are on our side but you seem to ignore them and substitute your own. This discussion is done. It is me, GinIchimaru and Salurbi against you. It will not be changed--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  15:42, July 29, 2010 (UTC)