Talk:Timeline

Errr, I had in mind that someone said in the manga that Yamamoto founded academy 2000 years ago, but I'm not sure, is he only 2000 years old or did he found academy 2000 years ago ? Before confirmation, I just wrote "Unknown Time Ago(Between 2000 and 200 years)"  M i l i -Ci en   sys 23:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

-108 page 13 says: "I mean, the only remnants of the original guard from a century ago". This to me says the Academy was founded BEFORE the Gotei 13 and candidates for the divisions were picked from the academy.

The same manga chapter says that Rose has held captains seat for a year or less making the 3rd seat resignment only a year before at max.

Just looked at the chapters in different translations(French, ENglish) by different sub-team, well.... I got only this : "And they just made rose the 3rd division captain few days ago"

"The only captains that are still here from 100 years ago are Me, Ukitake, And Yama-jii"

"Captain Unohana's still here"

"I just forgot about Dai-Sempai..." M i l i -Ci en  sys 23:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Dai Sempai ?
who's dai sempai ( Ginrei Kuchiki?)–
 * 99,9% chance that they were talking about Unohana ^^  M i l i -Ci en   sys

23:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

"sempai" is a term of endearment for Unohana. Both Captains look up to her.

You mean Dai Sempai is Unohana, but the thing above says "Captain Unohana's still here"

"I just forgot about Dai-Sempai ....''
 * It's Ukitake that says "Captai Unohana's still here", to which Shunsui reply "OH, that's right ! I totally forgot Dai-sempai, I'm gonna get yelled at..."  M i l i -Ci en   sys

THANK YOU FOR CLEARING UP MY CONFUSION.

If you're using french translations they seem to suck. The context of the scene is as if to say "oh yeah, I forgot about her. If she knew she'd be angry at me".
 * Primary, I consider it as simply bad consideration :" What I read is true, not what you read"..., secondly, I was using an english translation..
 * Sorry, not my intention at all and was a bit overcome with annoyance :P When reading scanlated material it's important to keep with context is all.

Chapter -108 opening
Chapter -108 opens with "A Century Earlier" which would put our timeline for Urahara's promotion and Hikifune's promotion to Squad 0 Aprox. 100 years ago.

What is your reference for 108 years ago? Chapter number?
 * Yup, it's what I used to set that. I hesited too, yeha, but then, few chapters later, we had something like "9 years later..." M i l i -Ci en   sys

23:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I think "9 years later..." would mean 91 years ago from present day?

Gotei 13
It has never been stated that yama-ji created the Gotei 13 but it was said (I can't remember where exactly but i'll look it up) that the location of the king's key which is what aizen wanted was passed from Sotaicho to Sotaicho meaning that at somepoint in time a different Sotaicho was incharged. Also Bleach tents to not expecify dates just approximation making it very difficult to actially said when an event took placeWhiteStrike 23:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Totally agreed. Yamamoto does, however, take credit for founding the academy at some point in time. KnyghtMare 23:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree too, I simply kept Knyght's original edit... But I've a question about it : Without academy, how can a Gotei 13 exist ? M i l i -Ci en  sys


 * Maybe he just meant he created the academy the way it currentlys is as? Bleach tends to be very vague when it comes to certain kind of information and expecially dates. like when aizen creates the current espada it is supposed to have been in under a year but Nnoitra says that he kicked Nel out years before that. For now we can only put what little info we have and correct things as the rest of the story is revealled WhiteStrike 00:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

The Espada existed long before the Soul Society arc and have been marshaled by Aizen for quite some time. The current generation is under a year old because they have been made with the Hōgyoku. KnyghtMare 00:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the espada existed long before the start of the series however no indication of how long has aizen been in control hasbeen said and if all the current espada were made by aizen then that would mean Nnoitra and it would mean that the whole thing about kicking Nel out years ago contradicts itself WhiteStrike 00:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

If you pay attention to the manga/anime you'll notice Nnoitra tease Nel about the difference in the Espada's power since she departed. It's likely that the current generation of Espada are enchanced from the already existing Espada, a rebirth if you will. KnyghtMare 00:45, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Yea this discussion has been on my mind sometime now. Im really wondering when Gotei 13 came about. If Yamamoto is over 2000 yrs old and all then when did he become captain? If Unohana, Ukitake and Kyoraku are of the first round of captains left then, what came before them. Id assume that Soul Society has existed as long as there has been humans so if thats the case, id guess Soul Society may not have had the Gotei 13 in the current form that its in. Maybe there were less captains back then as their werent a need for so many shinigami because there was less hollows and souls. If thats the case then ukitake and kyoraku, are the first captains formally trained in the academy. Therefore Yamamoto and unohana being older have been captains before the academies existence obviously. So it was possibly some form or mentor training before then but their probably hadnt been as many captains as there currently are a little before ukitake and kyoraku's time i dont know. Another question is how old are the espada, i mean its stated nelial was one at one time but when was that. aizen started his experiments around 110 yrs ago so are they about that old at least for the artificial ones or are the natural ones that old and the artificial ones much younger, its really hard to guage the arrancars timeline. Salubri 19:42, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Soifon
Any reference to when she was taken under Yourichi's wing? KnyghtMare 00:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Lieutenants
What about the lieutenants? wasn't Jushiro trying to get Kaien as his lieutenant, when did Seinnosuke step down or even die, what about the other lieutenants, and when main characters joined the academy and WHAT ABOUT WHEN RUKIA WAS ADOPTED. ETC!
 * Don't be like that, please. First, we began making that few minuts(hour ?) ago, it's not complete, also, feel free to improve, it's always better than asking it with caps lock and almost-agressive message ;)

Okee-dokee then, -

Rukia and the Hoguku
When does it get implanted inside her? I can't see a window for it to happen. KnyghtMare 05:41, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd Say it would be sometime during the 100 - 200 years ago section of the page -

That would pre-date his use of the Hoguku to try and help the Vizard. KnyghtMare 02:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

( Sorry I made a mistake )The Hogyoku was implanted in her before the main storyline started because it wasn't shown in the first chapter/episode, also Rukia was assigned to the Human World 90 years ago right, so that means she needed a gigai, which Kisuke Urahara Gave to her with the hogyoku iplanted in it already. So it should fit in the 90 years ago section. -


 * When does it said that Rukia came to the human world 90 yrs ago I don't ever remember reading that. Also the Hogyioku was implanted in her thru the Gigai that Urahara gave her when she lost her powers. If she have had that Gigai before that her power would have been consumed as was the purpose of the gigai that she wore (she didn't know this). WhiteStrike 02:31, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * WhiteStrike pretty much has it right. The Hogyoku would have to be implanted in the gigai when Urahara gave it to her. And yeah, that is important, since it's the entire reason why Aizen killed off Central 46 and manipulated the events of the Soul Society Arc. If the Hogyoku wasn't in Rukia's body sometime during the Pre-Soul Society Arc, then there isn't any other way she could have ended up with it inside her body. Arrancar109 21:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Movies
Should we leave movie events and the Shūsuke Amagai Arc out of the timelines? Those are the only things in that don't seem to fit (or are too difficult to fit in). Arrancar109 05:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

The Amagai arc really doesn't fit at all in a real timeline. The starting annotation says it's going back in time yet Ishida, Sado and Ichigo have abilities they shouldn't have until after the current arc (unless I read the translations wrong). So they should be left out. Ideally I didn't really want anime-only events in either as it's not entirely 100% canon but oh well. KnyghtMare 07:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

The Amagai Arc is somewhat self-explanatory, since it interrupted the the Hueco Mundo arc (for the sake of giving Kubo more time to update the manga), but still, I think we should consider keeping movie events out of the main timeline. Namely DiamonDust Rebellion, since, like the Amagai Arc, is exceedingly difficult to place in the timeline (at least at the moment). Arrancar109 21:23, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Tehcnically a timeline of events should only include events which have been dictated by the source material in this case the manga. Anime evets (some not all) fit in the current story line but are not considered cannon. Movies take place outside the continum of the series and are even less cannon than the anime thus only manga material should be included in the timeline additional info can only be added if is something that was stated by Tite Kubo himself such as info in databooks, interviews and such. WhiteStrike 21:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Grand Fisher
I moved his Arrancar transformation to the substitute arc as this is when he is depicted removing his mask (with some help) in the manga. KnyghtMare 13:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)