Bleach Wiki talk:Chat Policy

Edit Requirement
I find this point to be needless since it mostly takes away from the Chat experience and given I sit in chat all day I find it has more negative impact on the community as there have been plenty of times I could have given people advice on editing here and how the community works since these days people go to Chat as first point of contact!!
 * The point of the edit requirement is that it ensures that a user is trying to help the wiki rather than just chatting. If they do not want to help the wiki, they do not need to be on chat. Ten edits is very easy to get. If people want advice on how to edit, talk pages and policy pages exist for a reason. There is no need to remove the edit count requirement.--
 * Since people can just get the ten edits and stick around with no desire to edit further and have done so, it's moot!!
 * Not really, the point has always been to encourage editing. Sure, people can just get the edit count and never edit again but at the very least, they made 10 positive contributions to the wiki. Much better than if they never made any edits at all.--
 * Disagree the ten edits encourages them to try to edit "anything" and then it all gets mixed up for a cause they won't be doing in the first place!! In the end it's a chat, there is nothing wrong with harmless chatting and the ten edits makes it harmful because people don't understand what they should and should not edit!! In my experience the majority mean no harm to the wiki, which is what rules are for and actually enjoy learning about it instead of being told "No go away, you're wrong" right away!! The requirement demands edits and doesn't encourage good edits thus it's point is missed!! I'd rather chat and encourage somebody with no edits than somebody with ten meaningless edits who has no intention of positively contributing to the community!! Some users like to learn before practicing and there is nothing wrong with that but this requirement sends out that message!! Now that I have more experience of chat I have gauged the types of user that come and I find the requirement moot and counter productive!!
 * If their intention is to help the wiki, then they should have no trouble getting the ten edits. If their intention is purely to chat, then at least we get ten edits out of them before they can do so. Your friend Kotsu obviously has no intention on helping the wiki but we got ten edits out of him and he is now free to chat. The edit requirement also has the added benefit of letting us catch vandals. Many times, people have vandalized to get on chat after being told they needed edits. This allowed us to easily catch them and ban them quickly while we were alert to them. I truly do not see the point of removing it and I will firmly stand behind keeping it. If anything, your point is moot. We all agreed to the edit count requirement, its simple to enforce and has only benefits. It most certainly should not be removed.--
 * People respond will respond with hostility when being told to leave just because they haven't started contributing, you have no way of knowing if they had originally intended to Vandal since you don't interact with people in Chat on a regular basis!!

While it is true I don't do much chatting on this wiki any longer, I have far, far more experience with chat and interacting with with users in chat than you do. I have been on chat since the first day it was released on community central over a year ago. I was a chat mod there and then an admin. I have had access to all the aspects of chat, chatted on many different wikis and I can tell you right now, the people that chat attracts are almost certainly never the types who want to contribute. Take a look at such wikis as Community Central, where the vast majority of people chatting on there just chat and do not ever help out on the forums or bother to really learn the rules. Call of Duty Wiki is the same way, their chat is filled with people who don't edit and just chat. By having our edit requirement, we at least get something out of them. So if you think you know more about chat and interacting with people on chat than I do, you are sadly mistaken.--


 * I never said that but I won't enforce this policy until I hear from all corners, simple as!!
 * Your job as a chat mod is to enforce the policies, like them or not. It is part of the job. If you do not want to enforce the rules, then perhaps you should not be a chat mod any longer.--


 * Now that Chat has been around a lot longer I will wait for this discussion if people are doing no harm!!

I was not part of the original discussion to bring it in, but to me the edit count requirement is supposed to encourage (constructive) editing and to a lesser extent deal with the small issue with lurkers that we used to have (don't think this is an issue any longer). In that vein, before going near putting users out of chat, we should be embracing and encouraging them, helping them as needed rather than just saying get off chat without any offer of help. Point them to where they can edit and give them tips on it. Chat itself can be a useful way of doing that and faster than the talk pages. So if it were me I'd politely point out the rule and guide them through editing. Tell them where they can help (or find out what sort of editing they normally do/strengths or interests they might have to aid in getting started editing if its new to them), what to edit and what not to edit, basic rules (no spoilers, facts only etc) and gently push them towards that, give them whatever help they need (everyone has different learning rates and that should be remembered). The rule would be a last resort rather than something that is jumped to immediately. Now I'm not saying that everyone has to do this all the time, I know it can be tiring/time consuming training people up - use your discretion. But we should be exploiting chat as a means to find people interested in Bleach who are willing to contribute and converting them into contributors. 12:55, June 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * At present moment it is one warning then kick, not even a personal warning, asking if they need help or explaining why things are the way they are and how they can improve their contributions and then it upsets others who want to chat with them!! Of course, I have seen the rule be ignored for someone with 5 edits in there but somebody new joins and they are kicked right away and thus end up with bad feelings!! I have had people tell me they are new to Wiki and thus I've been able to help them, in the times when they haven't been kicked that is!! I know what it is to be scared to edit here in case I do something wrong so I won't punish others for the same!! Sure this user was kicked very recently with just a bot warning, nobody able to explain anything and then proceeded to make really bad edits that were intended to be good thus proving it doesn't work as it is supposed to!! I have the patience to encourage new editors and it is what I have been doing and the community on chat has been growing and they have been responding better to our rules if people just explain them!! It's not a perfect way to approach it but at least it's better than kicking somebody immediately, especially when there are other users in the channel who don't meet the requirement as well which looks bad!!


 * As I said I will continue to be as welcoming to new users as possible and will not kick until they show ill will to the community!!