Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner/Archive 12

Heilig Pfeil
On Yhwach someone copied the wrong katakana for the reading of Heilig Pfeil's Japanese name. It should be ハイリッヒ・プファイル Hairihhi Pufairu but someone wrote ハイリッヒ・ブファイル Hairihhi Bufairu and apparently this is contentious despite the fact that the Japanese pronunciation of other instances of the German word "Pfeil" is Pufairu.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 11:03, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

I think this is because, in the early Millennial Blood War chs.--such as 508 "烈火の如" (Rekkano Gotoshi)--the raw seems to use Bufairu (ブファイル). I haven't tracked--and can't recall--all the subsequent uses of Heilig Pfeil since, so I haven't discovered whether this has been corrected to *Pufairu in the volume-release forms and later chs. But you're right, it should be Pufairu, if a fidelity to the German form it means to adapt is properly pursued.

Can anyone point me toward a more recent usage I can check (plowing through old chs. is tough)? Adam Restling (talk) 21:30, December 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Only mentions of heilig pfeil I've found are in Ch 490 page 9 & Ch 508 page 11. My raws are too blurry to distinguish プ　and ブ... — ЖенёqSig.png 13:33, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

Kinshara Butōdan
Obviously we need some raws here.--
 * — Golden Sal Tree Dancing Troupe? — ЖенёqSig.png 13:40, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

This is the raw if anyone wishes to see.--Xilinoc (talk) 16:19, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yep, those Kanji (and your trans.) look correct: Kinshara Butōdan (金沙羅舞踏団), "golden sal dance troupe". Thanks for the data :). Adam Restling (talk) 06:51, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Sumitsukigasa
While looking over episode 340 for totally not nefarious purposes, I found something...odd. On Yushima's page, we have the kanji and translation as, but on that page, it's listed as. Now, I know that it's from the anime and therefore likely doesn't have established, written-out kanji for us to see, but could someone decide which one would be proper/more likely?--Xilinoc (talk) 21:59, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

According to the Japanese Wiki--which seems like the best source available for these non-canon (and so rawless) elements--the first one seems to be correct, 墨月暈 "ink (black) moon halo". Dunno where the form with "fang(ed) chain" came from, aside from maybe someone playing the homophony game + channeling [Getsu]ga ([月]牙) Tenshō and Tensa Zangetsu. Adam Restling (talk) 11:52, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

"no Jōmon" barriers
So, from the raws I've been using, which have all the kana we'll ever need from the first forty six volumes, I noticed some slight romanization errors in the group of barriers Hachigen used against Barragan. The errors I noticed are as follows:
 * Ryubi no Jōmon - should be Ryūbi no Jōmon
 * Koko no Jōmon - should be Kokō no Jōmon
 * Kikai no Jōmon - should be Kigai no Jōmon
 * Hoyoku no Jōmon - should be Hōyoku no Jōmon
 * Shiji no Saimon - should be Shijū no Saimon
 * Figured I'd drop them off here before I start any mass page moving.

Thanks for the data--and esp. for the easy-to-use links. And, yep, you seem to be correct on all of the above, if me eyes do not deceive me! :) Adam Restling (talk) 07:37, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Volume 61 Poem
Can I get a translation of the poem from volume 61 please. Raw to the right. Thanks, 11:55, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

Watashi ga / sekai ni ha kiken ga michite iru to shinji

sono kiken kara omae wo mamoritai to negau no ha

watashi no naka ni sono kiken to dōshitsu no shōdō ga aru kara ni / hoka naranai

which I think is supposed to be translated something like this:

"I / believing the world to be full of danger

have, as my wish, that I want to protect you from that danger,

because, within me, is an urge alike to that danger, / I cannot be otherwise"

I use the " / "s to mark the places where the preceding and succeeding text is divided by more than a normal space/division.

Aside from the usual confusion and trickiness of poems and Japanese, the main uncertainties for me are the elements kara ni and hoka naranai. The former would seem to combine kara "from, since" with the adverbializing particle ni, which seems to suggest that it's meant as a "because" linked to the final clause; but according to my dictionary, kara ni means "as soon as, no sooner than", so ???. Hoka naranai, that final clause I mentioned, would seem to mean something like "not (be) otherwise", from hoka "other" + naranai, presumably the negative form of naru "be(come), be of (the nature of)".

Despite these questions, my version could make sense, as "Zangetsu" (a.k.a. Yhwach the Friendly Ghost XD) saying "I wanted to protect you [Ichigo] from danger, because--and although--I find an urge [a Quincy's anti-Shinigami sentiment] within myself just like that danger; I can't do otherwise because this urge to protect is just as primal as the urge to endanger you"--and also the fact that even "Zangetsu" himself is a danger makes him even more determined to protect Ichigo. It would be no shock to find "Yhwach" being so schizophrenic. Adam Restling (talk) 08:22, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Mukyū Shunkō
Looking back at the archives, we never did get your officially endorsed translation for this one, lol. (無窮 瞬閧) Mohrpheus   (Talk)  03:15, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Mukyū Shunkō (無窮瞬閧) means "tireless Shunkō"--that is, "tireless flash war-cry". 無窮 itself could be translated, more broadly, as "infinite, limitless", but the above is a bit more precise (if idiomatic) trans.--無 - 窮 "not - be destitute, suffer"--and those broader terms are, conversely, more precisely represented by words like mugen, kagirinai, etc. Adam Restling (talk) 08:36, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Kon being an Under-Pod?
Chapter 15, page 10.. Rukia mentions Kon being an Under-Pod type of Mod Soul. I'll put the raw here, what does it say about it on the panel where Kon jumps of the window? Can someone provide the correct translation, in order to mention it in the pages of Kon and Mod Soul? Kyoraku08 (talk) 17:10, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

It looks like she's saying that Kon "looks like a leg-function-specialized 'Underpod'-type".

By the way, in case we need it, here's the data for Underpod: 部下強化型 (アンダーポッド) Andāpoddo; the Kanji mean "lower part-strengthened form". Adam Restling (talk) 09:07, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Chapter 130
While looking through some older volume articles, I noticed that Chapter 130 in BEGINNING OF THE DEATH OF TOMORROW was originally released with a set of kanji for the name. Upon looking in the reference, it turns out we never actually got a translation for those kanji, so if someone could translate "超絶技巧練習曲 op.2[a tempo]", that'd be great.--Xilinoc (talk) 23:41, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

超絶技巧練習曲 (Chōzetsu Gikou Renshūkyoku) apparently means "etude of transcendent technique". Adam Restling (talk) 08:44, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hiasobi, Benihime, Juzutsunagi
After looking on both the technique page and Urahara's own page, I've found that they possess two different translations for the above technique: Urahara's page has it rendered as "Crimson Princess That Plays with Fire, Strung Together like Rosary Beads", while the technique page has it rendered as "Fire-Playing, Crimson Princess, Beaded Mesh". The kanji for this technique is 火遊 紅姫 数珠繋, so if someone could give a definitive translation, that would be appreciated.--Xilinoc (talk) 04:19, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

I'd keep the 2nd one--or, rather, write it without the strange commas--and not just because it's the one I provided (? I think) XD; because that seems to be what the technique does, how its name is written (not having to switch things around for better cadence in English). The 1st one is interesting, but prosy (some kind of phrase instead of a term) and takes a few too many liberties so-doing in my opinion--for example, I translate Ryūjinjakka as "flowing blade- like flame" because the name actually includes the element jaku "like, similar (to)" (in ~ jak ka), but there's naught of that in Hiasobi Benihime Juzutsunagi. And while 数珠 is often translated "rosary", I thought that was an oddly Western-sounding trans., so I went with a more lit. "(kind of) bead(s)"; and the meaning of tsunagi "tie(s), knot(s)", I put as "mesh" (< "a bunch of tied links").

If tweaks are desired to be made based on the additional information etc I've included above, I guess they can be hammered out further in the Corner. Adam Restling (talk) 09:32, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Tres Cifras
This is a bit more complicated than the above. In addition to having different translations for Tres Cifras, Las Noches and Privaron Espada appears to have different kanji for it as well: Las Noches has it listed as while the Privaron Espada subsection has it listed as, which is made even more confusing by the fact that Zhenyoq added it, presumably from one of his raws. So, if some sort of consensus could be reached on the matter, I'd greatly appreciate it.--Xilinoc (talk) 04:19, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * In chapter 250 Gin calls the place〝３ケタ〟（トレス・シフラス） の巣, "Tres Cifras' Nest" (３ケタ = 三桁). Is it stated anywhere that Tres Cifras is the name of the place, not another name for Privaron Espada?
 * (Or maybe kanji was changed in subsequent chapters?)
 * By the way, "Three Figures" is kinda Kubo's translation (Ch250 "Five Ways To Three Figures"). — ЖенёqSig.png 14:28, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, he uses the kanji you posted on this page, but it seems the term is also mentioned in the volume summary, though I can't find it for the life of me.--Xilinoc (talk) 19:05, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

The Japanese Wiki seems only to have the form 3ケタ （トレス・シフラス）; Googling "三桁の巣 (トレス・シフラス)" and variants turns up several results, but it makes me wonder if someone just mistook/misinterpreted what Ichimaru was saying in ch. 250, and it was endlessly copied across the web (as often happens, esp. with Wiki data) without further thought to its veracity. Another apparent case in point is that Zhenyoq looks to be right: according to the Japanese Wiki, Tres Cifras (3ケタ （トレス・シフラス）) is a nickname by which the Privaron Espada are also called, rather than the name of their dwelling place. This dwelling is then, it seems, what Ichimaru informally refers to as "the nest of the 'Tres Cifras' ".

Tōsen, in relating that "The 'three-digit number' is a token of 'divestment'. It signifies one divested of their rank. That is, holders of three-digit numbers are, all, 'Privaron Espada'.", uses 3/三桁 "three-digit" only in the phrases "three-digit number(s)" (3/三桁の数字) in ch. 250.

Anyone know of other chs./pgs. & their links where we might find other-Kanji'd references to the Cifras? Adam Restling (talk) 10:16, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

More Quincy stuff
I keep finding Quincy-related things to be translated, it's like some sort of helpful curse.

Anyhow, I've found 3 more terms that I'd like to be translated properly. The first of these terms is Reishi Armor, which is mentioned here in the leftmost speech bubble of the all-black panel and appears to simply be kanji with kana clarifying its pronunciation, though an "official" translation would be nice for something like this. The second is the Kaiser Gesang, which I am legitimately surprised we did not ask for earlier. Yhwach mentions it on the bottom left panel here, and it appears to be the kanji/kana within the half-brackets. I'm betting there's a German and Japanese meaning to this one as well. The third is anime-exclusive, but has conflicting translations on the site: the Quincy Bangle. Its kanji (don't know where it was gotten from) is 装身具 (Sōshingu) and translated on the Quincy page as "Accessory", yet is translated on its own page as...well...the Quincy Bangle, so an "official" translation would be very helpful. I suppose that while we're at it, a look-over for "Soul-Synthesized Silver" (霊化銀, Reika Gin) and "Soul-Synthesized Glass" (霊化硝子, Reika Gurasu) would be beneficial, so make that 5 terms.

I realize now that the above is probably very messy, so here's a much tidier list of the translations I'm requesting:
 * Reishi Armor (kanji and kana can be found here in the leftmost text bubble of the completely black panel)
 * Kaiser Gesang (kanji and kana can be found here on the bottom left panel)

Thank you very much in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 04:19, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks some more for the links etc.

霊子兵装 (reishi heisō) are the Kanji for "reishi war-garb" (not the common word for "armor", yoroi), which may be just a descriptive term rather than a "name" proper.

Kaiser Gesang (聖帝頌歌 (カイザー・ゲザング) Kaizā Gezangu), Japanese for "praise-song of the sacred emperor", German for "emperor song".

Sōshingu (装身具) is just a commonplace word for "accessory(/ies), (body) ornament(s)"--broken down, the Kanji mean something like "body-dressing element(s)"; it doesn't have anything to do with Quincy inclusively. Does anyone have a ch. link/reference to a term * Quincy Bangle?

Whelp, 霊化銀 (Reika gin) and 霊化硝子 (Reika ga rasu, not  gu rasu) do mean "soul-made silver" and "soul-made glass" respectively--although you could just as accurately translate the first part of both compounds as " 'soulified' " or " 'spiritualized' ". Adam Restling (talk) 10:53, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Mask's Glorious Techniques
So, we've gotten 3 new techniques out of Mask in chapter 561, and I'd like some verification on their names.
 * First up is Star Eagle Kick, whose kana can be found here.


 * Next up is Star Headbutt, whose kana can be found here.


 * Finally, we have the glorious Star Flash, whose kana can be found here.

Thanks in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 16:18, December 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * — ЖенёqSig.png 09:25, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * — ЖенёqSig.png 09:25, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * — ЖенёqSig.png 09:25, December 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * — or we do not translate Japanese words?
 * — ЖенёqSig.png 16:10, December 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * — ЖенёqSig.png 16:10, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

The kana which Zhenyoq provided above for the first three techniques seem all good. I don't have the raws for 562 yet, but pretty reliable translators like BadKarma *seem* to support the kana/Kanji for the last two, also.

For how I think the odd-man-out, English-Japanese mix name Star Satsujin Panchi should be handled, see further down in the Corner here. Adam Restling (talk) 08:30, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Rose's Artsy-Fartsy Techniques
Accompanying Rose's Bankai, we've got three new techniques for him as well, with romanized names and underlying kanji.
 * First up is Sea Drift, whose kana and kanji can be found here.


 * Next up is Prometheus, whose kana and kanji can be found here.


 * Finally, we have Ein Heldenleben, whose kana and kanji can be found here.

Thanks in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 16:18, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again for the links etc.

Sea Drift (海流 (シー ・ ドリフト) Shī Dorifuto); Kanji mean the same (specifically, in addition to "course, current", 流 can mean "flow, drift, float(ing)", and even "style" (< "course of action")).

Prometheus (火山の使者 (プロメテウス) Purometeusu): the name, of course, references the famed Titan of Greek mythology; the Kanji mean "envoy of the volcano"--presumably a weird reference to his bringing the gift of fire to Man, or a confusion of him with Hephaestus/Vulcan.

Ein Heldenleben (英雄の生涯 (アイン ・ ヘルデンレーベン) Ain Herudenrēben); both mean about the same--"hero's life"--although the German adds ein "one; a, an", and 生涯 is generally a more specific "(entire) life, lifetime, lifespan" (< "life" + "horizon, shore"). Adam Restling (talk) 07:32, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Niño
While looking through some volume raws, I found something interesting. It seems that though Dordoni's favorite word, Niño, is listed as having the underlying kanji of 坊や, his first usage of the word has different underlying kanji: I'm no good at posting kana/kanji, so here's a link for proof, with the term in question being in the bottom-left speech bubble of the second panel. If someone could translate that and give a verdict on which one we should use, that'd be great.--Xilinoc (talk) 19:05, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks to me like the speech bubble in question isn't even using Kanji, it just says ほうや (hōya) in Hiragana.....
 * It's ぼうや (bōya) and it's just 坊や written with kana. — ЖенёqSig.png 09:16, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Like Zhenyoq said: ぼうや (坊や) bōya is just a rarer Japanese word for "boy", translating Spanish niño of the same meaning. Adam Restling (talk) 11:03, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Genocide Mode
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n301/ShadeofDemon/ModeGenocide_zpsd6837f34.jpg

Just need the kana/kanji/translation for this ability of Ururu's. Mohrpheus   (Talk)  03:36, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Looks like it's "slaughter mode" (殺戮状態 satsuriku jōtai), or "slaughter state"; "genocide" is actually 大量虐殺 tairyōgyakusatsu ("grand-scale oppressive killing"), or 大虐殺 daigyakusatsu ("grand oppressive killing"). Adam Restling (talk) 11:33, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Is this correct?
Was checking this: http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Gikon#Soul_Candy and there we can see this: Ginnosukem (ギンノスケ). I don't know much about japanese, but from my understanding the kana means either "Gin'nosuke" or "Ginnosuke". For it to be Ginnosukem, there would have to be another kana for the sound "mu" so that we would have something like "Ginnosukemu" and, therefore, the romanized version "Ginnosukem."

Can someone confirm this? Kyoraku08 (talk) 18:24, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

According to the Japanese Wiki (I've not access to the old raws right now), it is Ginnosuke (ギンノスケ), not *Ginnosukem--some accidental typo because k is close to m on the keyboard, or maybe accidentally taken from the following, Momōne??? Adam Restling (talk) 00:45, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

Earthbound Spirits and Obsessed Spirits
Chapter 28, page 12.. Rukia talks about the Jibakurei/Earthbound Spirits and another kind of spirits similar to them that we never referenced here on wikia: Obsessed Spirits. I'll put the raw here, what does it say about both types in top three panels? Kyoraku08 (talk) 18:24, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

Good find/catch.

Yes, from what Rukia seems to be saying:

"Those with heart-remnants have the inga no kusari utterly arrested by such a target. If a heart-remnant is by a person, it becomes, namely, a tsukirei (憑き霊); if a heart-remnant is by a plot of ground, it becomes, namely, a jibakurei."

The actual root of the word used, tsuki, comes from the verb tsuku, which means "cling to, possess, haunt". I'd probably translate it as "possessive soul" (with jibakurei, of course, being "earthbound soul")--very dybbuk-like.

There's so much, esp. in these early BLEACH chapters, that I've missed: I'm learning more history everyday! :) Adam Restling (talk) 00:33, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

Star Killer Punch
So, it would seem that the most fabulous of Mask's techniques isn't just romanized English - appears to have kanji in the middle of it, and I spy 人, which I believe is "man/human/person/" in there. Cnet translated it as Star Mankiller Punch, but I'd appreciate it if you could have a look at it, Adam.--Xilinoc (talk) 01:34, December 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think Cnet rendered the technique name this way to save the original wordplay ("Can’t your Mankiller Punch kill a Shinigami?" ("人" was highlighted there)). 殺人 is literally "murder", it's composed of 殺 to kill and 人 a man/human/person. — ЖенёqSig.png 03:58, December 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * So it would be Star Murder Punch?--Xilinoc (talk) 04:30, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

Zhenyoq is correct: satsujin is "murder" (more specifically, I guess, "homicide"--although murder is, in its immediate sense, already the killing of a human being etc.).

However, since this is a case where there's apparently a conspicuously Japanese term amidst the English ones, I'd leave the term alone--that is, a page with it should go something like as follows: "Star Satsujin Punch (スター殺人パンチ Sutā Satsujin Panchi, "star murder punch")". Adam Restling (talk) 08:20, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Compass Scroll
New one... Chapter 51, page 1, first panel... Either Renji or Byakuya mentions a Compass Scroll (?), which seems to be that paper device Rukia used on the first chapter when she was searching for Fishbone D. It seems to work pretty much like a Denreishinki, receiving orders and giving the Shinigami the direction of his target, which is what this page shows them using it for.

By the way Adam, I have these early BLEACH chapters you talked about and am searching for terms like these. If you know of something that needs the raws for you guys to translate go ahead and ask me. Early raws are hard to find these days.. By the way, thanks for all the translations you've done on stuff I put here :) Kyoraku08 (talk) 09:45, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

It looks like the (not common, so... Kubo-invented?) term used is zajiku (座軸), which means something like "set axis": 座 "seat; position, setting, place" (< "where one is seated") + 軸 "axis, pivot, stem, stalk". While 軸 is also used as a counter for book scrolls--or to signify a "roller" of scrolls--when attached to 座 (which doesn't mean "scroll"), it seems to refer more to a lock or bead on Rukia's position... or so it seems. Not precisely sure. Specifically, it seems to go like this:

RENJI: The set axis... ?

BYAKUYA: It's undetermined.

RENJI: He~y... Then where are we gonna get blasted toward?

Luckily, I got most of the older chapters before they disappeared; most of the gaps in my collection are in later ones (!). But I always appreciate somebody putting up a pic of the page with the term/text in question, as it saves me thumbing through hundreds of pages on my own. That's the chief reason (other than not combing through all this Wiki's pages) why I've missed a lot of this stuff: with so many installments, I really need the ch. (and would love the pg.) numbers of where I can find these to help narrow it down XD.

So thank you and those like you for checking through things and striving for continuous improvement. :) Adam Restling (talk) 08:57, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Kūkaku Training Hall
In chapter 518, Kūkaku mentioned a training hall named after herself where Ganju and the Fullbringers are apparently training. Cnet has it translated as Great Kūkaku Training Hall, but an "official" rendering would be appreciated. The kanji can be found here in the speech bubble in the lower right-hand corner. Thanks in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 22:32, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

It seems to be Dai Kūkaku Renbudō (大空鶴練武堂). Neither renbu nor budō seem to be a common word (with these Kanji), but the Kanji do mean the "Great Kūkaku Training Hall"--more specifically, it seems, "training (ren)-for-war (bu) hall (dō); and the fact that it's Dai Kūkaku Renbudō and not *Kūkaku Dairenbudō suggests that it's Kūkaku who's great (and so honored in the name), not the hall. XD Adam Restling (talk) 05:46, December 25, 2013 (UTC)