Bleach Wiki talk:Administrators/Archive 2

Inactivity
Im pretty sure that unfortunately Twocents is gone for good its been 6 months with no response or even log on which sucks but if there is no objection he should be dropped from admin status. The same for the inactivity of Maul Day who hasn't been involved at all that I can remember. Im still on the fence about Whitestrike I know Arrancar109 still goes to him for help but thats something a user could accomplish he is currently not involved at all on admin level and doesn't remotely edit anymore at all. I already put a message out to the committee members who are not as active as well to determine whats going on there. Any thoughts?

Also There is a previous issue of titles on the wiki. Before I had brought up the issue of the administrators. Well the issue is more of one necessity and contribution on the wiki. In other words if not making a contribution then no need to be an admin as one is just as effective being a normal user. In particular we have The Ultimate3, while he is the founder of the wiki he doesn't edit here any longer since i first join really. In light of that its not that he isn't available but his concern and edits are given over to the Narutopedia now. Then there is WhiteStrike he no longer makes edits and though he appears around he hasn't shown any interest in the admin side of things or engaging in any issues or development, nor does anyone look to him for admin help, hence he is just as capable as a normal user. Maul Day is not a contributor any longer either. Also unfortunately Twocents seems to be just gone hasn't been on this site nor his other wiki site where he's an admin since dec 2009.

The other issue is the Policy and Standards Committee. Normally we allow them to handle themselves but the issue is given some position or authority to those who can't contribute on more of a regular basis that the position would require. Just recently Nwang2011 was made the 2nd on the committee but has become increasingly absent with the fight articles he heads up not being touched. He has done other work but hasn't been on since the 5th currently. SerialSniper14 hasn't made an edit since april, he is also no active when asked about it he basically said he was busy and that he should be free this month and if not he resigns his position.

Basically I would suggest a shake up. drop the absent admin and bring in Tinni. Then drop the absent SerialSniper14 and determine whats up with Nwang2011. The head the committee normally it would go from that to the next one up but there was issue of someone taking the responsibility of the 2nd which no one wanted to do for whatever reason till Nwang2011 took it. So in that point we need someone to fill the role with good edits and understanding of the policies and is very active more then the current members. My pick would be Godisme. The whole point is that when you have nobody leading others into do anything nothing gets done. What i have noticed is alot not happeneing with the site. It doesn't seem to be improving. we get more new people but the more reliable people aren't doing to much and that needs to change. I dont want this to feel like a chore or anything but we are getting stagnant. Any idea or questions?--Salubri (Talk)  19:15, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

No disrespect intended to any of them, and I feel kinda bad saying this, but if someone is not contributing to the wiki, then I don't think that there is much point in them being an admin and so they should probably not continue to be an admin. They effectively are not an admin atm anyway due to their inactivity and thus the wiki is not going to suffer if their admin status is removed. The wiki is certainly not benefiting from it right now. If they ever return, they will have to reacquaint themselves with the site and policies which will take time, especially if they return after Wikia's New Look is implemented. We can review their case then, but in the meantime, well, times move on.

However, I think that if their admin status is removed, we should consider creating a section for them on the admin page listing them as former admins to acknowledge their past contribution to the wiki.

Tinni is the obvious candidate for a new admin and I would fully support her as an admin if she agrees to become one. We all know the work and dedication she has put in to this wiki, she is fully familiar with the policies and very helpful to other users, has good ideas and is good with the technical side of things. Unlike the recent flurry of user's asking to be admin in the mistaken believe that it will help them to edit, Tinni would actually benefit from the access to admin privileges and use them well. On top of that, with the New Look on the horizon, I think a fourth active admin would be quite good in case there are problems.

I have seen a number of people recently applying to be an admin saying that it will help them to make edits etc (see the request to be admin page and Forum:How to become an administrator). There seems to be a misconception out there that being an admin makes editing easier, with people not understanding that their edits are undone because they are poorly done, flat out wrong or against policy.

I also support Godisme for the Committee. He meets the requirements and would be good for the committee, imo. Looking at the discussion that was held over who should be the new number two on the committee to replace Minato88, I just hope that there is not so much trouble getting someone to be the new committee leader as there was then.

As sidenote, I started doing the beta testing for the wiki's New Look over the last two days. This basically involves editing as normal, while using the new look. So if you see any odd things in my edits, let me know so that I can fix them and report the problem to Wikia. You'll also see me making some edits at MediaWiki:Wikia.css. This is purely for the new look and will not affect anything related to the way the site is currently. I'm not allowed to say much about the new look other than what has been announced on Central Wiki, but my impressions are that presentation-wise it is a nice clean look, but there is much less space due to the fixed width, huge navigation bar at the top and fat sidebar on the right. There is a new blog post on central about the themes for the New Look. Going by that, the fixed width is there to stay and the empty space to the sides will be part of the theme/design and will be (relatively) easy to customize. Unfortunately I actually don't know anything more than that about it as they are not testing that bit yet. But I'm keeping an eye out for the hacks and mods that other users make to it for their own sites to get around things they don't like. I'll post about them if they're an issue for us here. There are already a couple of those popping up. 15:15, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ok where on the same page. Some of this is common sense so I doubt Arrancar109 will have an issue with any of this. As far as the introduction of new admin and committee member that will go along as usual. The old admin section will be made as well. --Salubri (Talk)  15:25, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

I don't feel I have to say all of the reasons, since Yyp said it already, but I'm in full support of Tinni becoming an administrator and Godisme being in the Committee.

I also like Yyp's idea of putting up a section of former administrators on the page, as I feel they each did some important contributions to the Wiki. I'm thinking we should probably close off the "Requests for Adminship" page, due to too many misconceptions. Obviously Yyp explained that part too, and I'm kind of getting tired people applying to be administrators just because their edits are undone, they're not reading the policies, or because they just hate the policies we have set up. Whether we get rid of the page itself is altogether, but I think we should at least close it off for now (and have it closed off indefinitely; I still see people trying to apply for adminship for these reasons after the theoretical reopening date comes).

As for the site design... Just go with whatever you want. I admit we need a new look, but I haven't been able to keep up enough with any sort of changes you had in mind since you pitched the idea on the Admin Talk page, which is why I haven't said much about it in the past. If there's something I missed afterwards, then please fill me in on the details I missed. Also, if you think our Favicon needs changing (the icon that shows up next the web address when on this site/the icon that shows up on your browser when the site is opened in a tab), let me know what you guys come up with, as I've been wondering about that part myself without copying either the Spanish Bleach Wiki or the German Bleach Wiki's Favicons. Arrancar109 (Talk)  15:52, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Article
Em, it seems that this has slipped under our radar again. The vote for feat. article is tied between Ukitake & Isshin. Tie-break vote needed. I vote for Isshin's article. 15:05, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yea i guess I can go for Isshin as well, Ukitake will more then likely have a more promote roll to be up again at a later date. Salubri (Talk)  15:20, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

I'll vote on Isshin as well. Arrancar109 (Talk)  17:06, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Simple Change
Apparently its come to my attention. Godisme addressed me with "So Devilhand found where all of those people who wanted Gin's status changed. They all come from the bleach forums. Scrolling through their thread on it, I found that they are using Bleach Wiki:Simplified ruleset to justify their actions. They believe that rule 3 gives them free reign to do what they want because they believe it is helping the wiki. Seeing as all of our other policies are easy to find and well flushed out, is there even a reason to have the simplified rules?"

I personally dont see why we have that up, for a regular wiki thats fine but it undermines all the policies and allows people to act like vandals and allows them to attack other users. We dont claim to be like any other wiki and as far as how other wikis do things we stopped that long ago. The amount of false information and vandalism that occurs on the sight is far to much and its the policies not the rule set that has allowed us to be where we are currently. Some policies aren't perfect but that rule set is plain counter productive, i say we just delete it and move on. --Salubri (Talk)  22:44, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * If I'm right, that is something that comes with all new wikias as a basic guideline/advice to helping to set up the new wiki and leading it through the early days, outline how to edit in general, rather than being a binding policy. It would have been there since day one, but we have long since move on from that. We have no need of it. "Rule" 3 is most certainly not meant in the way that these people have been using it. The other "rules" (where useful) can be incorporated in the other policy documents if they have not already been, but the document as a whole can be scraped, imo. 23:05, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Votes (September)
Featured vote is a three way tie between Sōsuke Aizen, Hiyori Sarugaki & Kensei Muguruma. I vote for Kensei. 22:46, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

I too will vote for Kensei.--Salubri (Talk)  14:44, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Kensei Arrancar109 (Talk)  15:52, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Committee Nominations (Godisme)

 * 1)  - We have placed Godisme up for the nomination to become a member of the Bleach Wiki:Policy & Standards Committee. I affirm him in the appointment as in his time here he has a expert understanding of the policies of the sight. Is active in undoing vandalism, apprising others of the policies and making sure they are followed, he is a great contributor to the sight especially in the grammar department which he heads up on the sight. Also he is a great defender of the sight and the work that is done here and has taken on unnecessary attacks from those who would cause harm to the sight and even then he did not backed down. He isa great supporter and his accomplishments have not gone unnoticed. To bad alot of users arent as good or as dedicated. --<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri  <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  18:21, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  - Godisme has contributed a lot to the Wiki and has organized many articles, both summary-wise and grammar-wise. He's follows the policies we have established perfectly, and has tried to help others by informing them of when they are doing something wrong or breaching a policy. He's one of the most active users and contributors that I've seen on this site, and he does well to make sure each article we have follows the Manual of Style. Given everything he's done, he'll be a great addition to the Committee, and he has my full support. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  18:37, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  - Well, not much that I can add to the above. Godisme would be a fantastic addition to the Committee. Regularly on, ever vigilant, helpful to new and regular users alike, knows the site and its policies very well and has made a huge contribution to the wiki and helped to maintain and improve its standards. I vote for adding him as a member of the Committee.  22:22, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Bleach Movie 4
I was wondering, since we are likely to see an influx of edits about it, how are we going to deal with the new movie. Would any plot info from it be treated as a spoiler? If so, a new section for it should be made on the spoiler page. And how would we treat it considering the timescale involved here (a year until its release and likely another 9 months until a sub becomes available) - do we not allow plot details to be added until it is released in English, or would we allow details to be posted once it is released in Japan? 12:57, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * I was thinking that since we created a page about Heat the Soul 7 and protected it until it is released so that nobody other than the admins could edit it, should we consider doing the same with the new Bleach movie, as it will likely be the source of a lot of edits. This way we would be able to better keep control over it. 20:36, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Petition to re-open discussions forum
Tinni has suggested the following:


 * Hey, I was just thinking about closed discussions and how we don't actually have a mechanism by which to re-open it. All we really have is the ability to start new discussions on the same topic. It occurred to me that perhaps we should have some mechanism in place for people at least make a case for why a discussion should be re-opened. So I was wondering what you thought about starting forum thread in the "Improvements" forum where people can place petitions to re-open discussions. Doesn't mean we will re-open, but it does give people a place to lodge their case. Plus since it's the forums, it's out of the way etc, etc. Of course, we might want to take some topics off limits like the old and tired "Vizard" discussion. Or Viz translation vs fan translation discussion and other things like that. So what do you think? Tinni   (Talk)  12:59, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to me. 11:06, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yea I was thinking about this. A page where people can give their petitions to re-open discussions. They can then be evaluated by the committee and if a majority ruling is given by the committee on the accurate and consistent argument given for the reopening it can move on to the admin and again its the majority rule to determine whether its to be opened. Thats my general thoughts et me know what you think. I would agree with Tinni on the no longer bringing up the Vizard, Viz translation vs. Fan Translation, Tosens race, or character status. Other then these specifics im ok with the idea. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  12:28, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Scaling down and alot of work
Ok so now with some of the articles done with great work but with the fights articles we can start to scale them down some. The fights provide in-depth detail of the information regarding the fights, events and battles. In an effort to address the space we can summarize the articles a bit so to stop redundancy.

we can also start linking the specific character battles to their specific pages. Also on that note i notice the gallery pages link to the character articles but not the other way around. we should address that.

There are some articles in need of alot of help. Rukia, Renji's history and plot which is uncalled for being such important characters as well as Yumichika. Reiatsu and Reiyoku need some severe references.

What are your thoughts on this? <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  15:25, July 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * When we link a character article to a fight/event page, how should we do it? Is "Nel is the only one who catches up to Ichigo, arriving just in time to see Dordonii Alessandro Del Socacchio, a Privaron Espada. As Ichigo and Dordonii fight, the difference in power between the two quickly becomes apparent" alright or has anyone got a better idea? About image galleries: where would be the best place to link to the gallery? The infobox? 22:01, July 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well we could do it like that or we could just summarize the articles and list the fights at the bottom of the article. The gallery would probably best link in the infobox. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  23:33, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Masked Character Book & Changes Needed
A raw has been released and there are a lot of name changes, full names & new characters. To keep the chaos that all this will cause to a minimum, I think we need to get organized quickly. A project to oversee the name changes and creation of the new pages etc, finding all the bits that need to be changes etc. I am protecting several names so that articles cannot be created about them until we are ready (same for page moves). I will set up something. Still going through the raw.

The interview covers espada, arrancar & other character origins (seems we now have proof for certain arrancar being named after designers/architects, but only for some), other random stuff. For part of it, see here. 15:05, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

New Site Design
With the New change in the look of the main wiki I have been thinking. We should think about a new redesign to the sight to make it more in line with the serious aspects of Bleach. I was thinking along the lines of black highlighted by Blue, Red and White. Streamlined sections on the main page. Template colors more in line with the motif. A much better up to date logo in the left corner possibly a wallpaper of Ichigo overlooking Soul Society or something at the top background. Also I like the personal info fill in for user pages as well as the use of boards on the Bleach Answer Site, maybe there is a way to incorporate that. It seems we maybe running on the general old code of when Wiki's first started, as this site began in 2007 is considerably old in the computer standards. I think an update with all the trimmings to go with is exactly whats needed. What are your thoughts on this?--<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  17:50, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm in favour of a new, more Bleach-like theme and improved logo, though I think it would need to be voted on by the community. I'm not great at visualizing things like that, so I'd need to see a mock-up of it to say whether its good or not (a lot of templates would need to be recoloured though). Logo Creation Wiki make skins and logos for wikis. Don't know about the boards, but something like the personal info thing can be done here too using MediaWiki:Welcome-user-page. It would only appear for new users though. As for wikia's new skin, it seems that we don't have a choice in the matter - the staff have said that Monaco will only be enabled for a limited time after the new skin goes live. That could mess up a lot of things for every wiki there is as it will be different coding, but since it hasn't even started beta testing yet, some of the bigger changes may be scaled back by then. Well, that's something we can look forward to dealing with in the future. I applied to be a beta-tester, so I'll report back on what its like if I'm one of those selected. 13:55, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Zangetsu Article Request
Relating to this discussion, I received the following request:
 * Following the discussion on Ichigo's talk page, it seems to have been generally agreed upon that Zangetsu's information should be expanded with the manga content. In addition however, Tinni and Godisme have suggested that Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo's article be combined, since they are essentially the same being, albeit split into two parts. Tinni suggested that the page be named The Seat of Ichigo's Power, since as she said, that is how they described themselves in the manga. I'm relatively indifferent towards combining them, but I believe it could work with proper organization. However, seeing as this involves a major change of articles, particularly those involving a high-profile article like Ichigo's, Tinni recommended that this be put up for vote on the admin page. So essentially a vote between keeping the articles separate or combining them; I'd appreciate it if you brought this up with them. If you don't mind, I would also like to hear your opinions on this matter. Mohrpheus (talk) 03:45, September 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * See also: User blog:Tinni/Mock Zangetsu page

So do we want to expand Zangetsu (spirit) or create the new article or continue as before? I feel that combining the Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo (while a nice idea as they are parts of the same being) is not really all that practical. I am not against expanding the Zangetsu (spirit) page to manga cannon info. It is far more workable than the combined article, imo. 22:47, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

You know, I've been against integrating canon information with the articles, but I won't fight it any longer. I'd rather expand on Zangetsu's current article than merge it with Hollow Ichigo's. I know they're one and the same, but for some reason, I feel that putting it in Hollow Ichigo's page can complicate it a bit. If we expand Zangetsu's, then we have to do so on Hyorinmaru's and Zabimaru's as well. Admittingly, no, they would not be as lengthy as Zangetsu's but I feel we should apply the same treatment. But, unlike Zangetsu, they don't have the same appearances in the Zanpakuto Unknown Tales arc, so we'd have to find different shots of Baboon/Snake Zabimaru and Ice Dragon Hyorinmaru, which I have absolutely no problem with whatsoever. In relation to this, expanding on Zangetsu's article wouldn't be a bad idea, and we can expand a bit more on Zabimaru and Hyorinmaru's articles as well. Hyorinmaru would receive a "History" section, Zabimaru would have the Soul Society arc in his "Plot" section, and they'd both get an "Appearances in Other Media" section (as they both appeared on the Bleach movies). Zabimaru's article would be a bit more complicated to work out, but we can think of something.

Anyway, getting back to Zangetsu, his "Personality" section could be expanded greatly, as well as his own individual roles in the "Plot" section and, in addition to the powers we have listed, we can also add onto the Powers section with what was seen in the latest arc in the manga. So, I actually see some benefits in this.

In short, I am against merging Hollow Ichigo and Zangetsu together, but I support merging Zangetsu's manga information with the current Spirit article, provided that we do the same with Zabimaru and Hyorinmaru. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  23:54, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

I can agree upon this course of expanding the zangetsu (spirit) page with info and creating the same with zabimaru and hyorinmaru. --<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  00:02, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Votes Tie Break
Tie break needed for Bleach Wiki:Featured Picture. Do we want Image:AizenHollowLikeForm.png or Image:Become Getsuga.png? I go for "Become Getsuga.png". Also, for the quotes: since nobody voted inside the allowed time-frame for the vote, but 5 people voted today, should we allow those that are from eligible users to stand, or should we discount all votes and treat it as a tie? 21:42, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

I vote for the Getsuga pic, I say allow only the eligible votes to stand for the quotes and there seems to be a tie as well on article vote as one of the voters wasn't eligible leaving two picks. Seeing as thats the case id pick byakuya. --<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  21:49, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

I vote Byakuya too for feat article. 22:27, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

I vote Byakuya as the featured article and Getsuga as well. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  23:29, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Belated Feat. Votes
Bleach Wiki:Featured Article is a tie between Aizen & Sui-fon. I vote Sui-fon. 22:06, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

I also vote for Su-feng. --<font color="00A693" size="2px">Salubri <font color="FFFFFF" size="2px">(Talk)  23:35, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

I vote for Sui-Feng as well. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  05:08, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

January Feat Votes
Bleach Wiki:Featured Article is a tie between Yoruichi and Orihime. 23:03, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

I vote for Yoruichi as the Featured Article. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  23:06, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

I also vote for Yoruichi.--<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  23:57, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so Yoruichi wins. Its tended to be me that has done it lately, but I'm doing work on Rukia's article right now, so dont have time for writing the feature, so could someone else take care of that please? I think that we could do with putting in place a claim system like in the project pages for writing these features so we know that they are being looked after, as its the 5th now. 22:08, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'll take that up. I was actually looking for a manga pic to use, and now that I know where it is, I feel I can take it up, but I won't be able to get it started until tonight. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  20:18, January 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. 11:08, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

March's Features
Tie breaks required again. File:Ichigofullbring.png or File:LastSightOfGinsEyes.jpg for feat. pic. I'm finding it hard to pick between the two, but since we already had Image:Matsumoto finds Gin dying.png featured, I'm going for Ichigofullbring. We also have a tie between Aizen and Ichimaru for feat. article. I don't think that 2nd vote for Aizen should be counted. The user meets the criteria, but I don't see any real reason in there. So I go with Gin. 00:09, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

It's actually been pretty close and I had a hard time deciding since they're both done so well and been updated within the last few episodes, but I'm going to have to vote for Ichimaru's article. And as for pics, I'm going to vote for Ichigofullbring.png as well. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  13:44, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

I actually looked at this and I vote for the ichigo full bring, Besides the issue of not saying much of anything about the article. I find that in actuality the user doesn't meet the criteria while having been on for a while the users contributions go from nov, dec to feb. Even with feb she has no work in jan which is required making her ineligible. So Im going with Gin as well but it is technically ultimately gin.--<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  15:13, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

P&S Committee Nomination: SunXia
The Policy & Standards Committee has voted on and accepted SunXia as a new member and now requires admin approval. 15:30, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think she'd be a great addition to the Committee. Well versed in the sites policies and always very helpful with the projects and anything that crops up. 15:30, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Like many others in the Committee already said, I think this is long overdue. She's shown a good initiative with the various projects around the Wiki, and she follows the policies very well. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  22:56, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I would have to agree if there is gonna be a new member she should be it. I feel that she not only has been on the site for a good long time but her edits are never in question and she knows the policies and if not for her we wouldn't have some of the quality pictures that we have now. --<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  07:52, March 14, 2011 (UTC)