Talk:Tier Harribel/Archive 1

Eyelashes
This is pretty minor, but it still bugs me... The shapes around her eyes aren't mask fragments, but rather eyelashes. You can tell by their shape and color. They're yellow, like her hair, but if they were mask fragments they'd most likely be white. From certain profile views, it's easier to tell what they are because of the way they stick out. If nobody objects, I'll change this information in the article. Greybob 21:11, 24 April 2009


 * Hmm, I didn't hear nor read anything about people assuming her eyelashes were part of her Hollow Mask. They are eyelashes, because they are blonde. Her Mask extends from her jaw to her breasts only, nothing more. By all means, change this. - HuecoMuffin 22:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Last name
I've been wodering. What is her last name? Anyone know? Mhsk 06:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

i really dont know either i also want to know though....
 * Her last name has yet to be revealed she may not even have one for all we know. WhiteStrike 02:50, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

yeah..who knows...

I thought I heard someone say her last name was "Valera"...but that's probably just a rumour. ~BlarXCirucci


 * A rumour indeed. But I have a feeling we should hear it soon. Arrancar have a habit of revealing their last names upon doing their Resurreccion - for example Yylfordt Granz and Yammy Rialgo. So she might possibly do it after preforming hers, although she doesn't seem to talk as much as those other two... I guess we'll just have to wait and find out. ^.^ - HuecoMuffin 17:58, 20 April 2009


 * As I stated below regarding her name, her last name is, it's been confirmed in the most recent spoilers though I due to the Wikia spoiler policy it can't be added until the chapter is released. Revan46 18:27, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Projectile Azule?
I haven't seen the raws, but it'd make much more sense to me that this new technique's name were "Proyectil Azul" (spanish for "blue projectile") Could someone check the raws to see if that's what Kubo decided to call it, or just another translators' mistake? (like Ulquiorra's Murcielago was first translated as "Murushierago") Lia Schiffer 07:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Very likely, another translator's mistake. I only put down "Projectile Azule" because I can only access the manga but not Spanish translators (for the moment). Like "Chimera Parca" turning into "Quimera Parca", I think it's safe to say that "Projectile Azule" will turn into its pure Spanish equivalent. Arrancar109 07:28, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, I just wanted to make sure. As a native Spanish speaker, it's easy to notice those kind of mistakes (or, like in the case of Cero Oscuras, odd decisions by the author), but those who don't know the language could be easily confused (I remember the Murcielago/Murushierago confusion. It was funny to read)Lia Schiffer 07:34, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, the latest subbed manga wrote as "Projectile Azule". --Kroduz 16:10, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes however Proyectil Azul is the correct translation here is the japanese writing for it プロジェクティル・アズール (purojiekuteiru azūru). WhiteStrike 16:17, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Temporary Protection
This page has been protected with the expirig time of 1 day. This has been done to proctect the structure of the article. WhiteStrike 10:31, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

oh man i was waiting for someone to add the japanese translation for proyectil azul and tiburon--Kisukeiscool100396 13:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Tiburon "Rapier"
Minor but sort of noticeable...Halibel's sword in Tiburon form isn't really in the shape of a shark's body. It's in the shape of a shark tooth, with shark's gill marks near the tip.--Faceplant 03:10, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, as well as her mask. It resembles a sharks very closely. --Espada Speed 15:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Just want to point out, it looks nothing like a rapier - her sword is huge. The 'zweihander' description was far more accurate, but I'm sure there is a better description. Mohrpheus 14:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Halibel and her Fracción
Well, I hope nobody minds that I added Determination under Halibel's Powers & Abilities section. Because if you think about it, Halibel was outraged once she seen her Fraccións' defeat. Although "determination" doesn't seem to be an ability or power, it obviously makes her more willing to fight. Malzzel 4:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that the "Determination" thing should be there, it's just like saying that "Rage" is an ability because characters get magically stronger when they're angry, and release abilities that they normally wouldn't (i.e. Byakuya's Senkei or Ulquiorra's Segunda Etapa). It suits better under the personality section. Yet, determination is not what I'd call her will to avenge her fallen Fraccion. I don't have the correct word right now, but I think that part should be erased. Yet, I'll see what the admins, or at least other users think before changing it. Lia Schiffer 08:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * soooo, just her killing intent(duh everyone gets stronger if they are determined to kill there opponent), the only exception i know of is the guy with wings(his ritual seams to actual increase his strength) Fawcettp 08:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo has Determination listed under his abilities/powers, so why shouldn't Halibel? Granted, its not like swordsmanship or anything as exciting as that, but Determination has its merits. There are quite a few examples of how Ichigo's Determination has helped him in battle so I think its only fair Halibel has it on her page. Strategist9 22:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * He does? Then why not put it under Renji, Ishida, and positively all damned characters. Determination is not an ability. It's something almost all characters have, otherwise, they wouldn't be willing to fight the war they are fighting. The only character that seems to lack said determination is Orihime. Lia Schiffer 02:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

In that case, just a suggeation, but why not add a 'weaknesses' section to character profiles.TomServo101 08:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Though an interesting idea, that is beyond the point. What I'm saying is that "Determination" is not a Power nor and Ability, therefore, it is ridiculous and pointless to have it under that section. Lia Schiffer 09:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

New abilities
I'm checking the raws right now and the names given to the new techniques by the translators seem to be the direct translations from the Kanji to English, instead of the original names in Spanish. Barragan's "Death Breath" according to the Katakana, is called "Re-su-pi-ra"="Respira", that's spanish for "Breathe". And Halibel's "Burning Current"'s Katakana are read "I-ru-bi-e-n-do"="Hirviendo" that's spanish for "Boiling", while "Cutting Waterfall" is read "Ca-su-ke-da" whilst "Cascada" is Spanish for "Waterfall". Could someone gibe it a check si that the new techniques get their real names? Lia Schiffer 02:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I fixed Halibel's, though someone else might want to clean it up.

I've read the raw already and I think her new ability is "hirviendo cascada". It makes sense right? I we're going to rely on the katakana that's what was there. And also, the way she used her ability, for me, is fit for the "hirviendo cascada". She boils the ice first to make water then uses the water as a waterfall to attack. Barragan's "death breath" is just respira and I don't know why that is just like that. I'm going to change it. Just change it if you don't agree. --Agate genbu 05:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd rather say it's the other way around. Using boiling water is one technique, and throwing it like a waterfall is another one, I think. Because "Burning Current Cutting Waterfall" makes little sense to me. That's two nouns there, something unusual if you consider the usual. In my opinion "Burning Current" is one thing, and the "Cuttin Waterfall" is another one. That's how I see it. I think this should be open for general discussion, for I've seen at least three different interpretations for this/these new technique(s). Lia Schiffer 08:58, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

When I read, I saw them as separate abilites, but I don't if it just me. And also, I'm not a Spanish expert, but together shouldn't it be "Cascada Hiervendo?" SkyBrookes 16:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Though "Cascada Hirviendo" would be the correct way in Spanish, (in case it's a single technique), this is not the first time that Kubo has messed up with basic Spanish Grammar (I'm looking at you Ulquiorra and your Cero Oscuras and your Cuatro Espada). Problem is that, in my opinion, and due to the translators being some different group and not the usual Sleepy Fans, the translation was a bit... strange. Though now the Sleepy Fans version is available on mangafox, but the original names of the techniques were translated by the other group, thus creating the present confusion. But reading the chapter again, it does seem to me that Hirviendo and Cascada are separate techniques. Maybe some admin could open a poll or forum for this? Lia Schiffer 08:58, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

From what I've seen in the translations, "Hirviendo" and "Cascada" are two separate techniques. Its difficult to tell whether Halibel paused before calling out the second name of the attack, or if it was an entirely different ability in itself. Personally, it seems to be two separate abilities - if it were one ability, Kubo would've put some type of indication of Halibel pausing as she said the attack name, as has done for other characters ("Hirviendo...Cascada"). In this case however, she seems to declare either word as if it were meant to be alone. On another note, I doubt that Halibel's "Hirviendo" ability was solely meant to be used on ice, seeing as it can heat up/boil any water in contact - I suggest that someone change the ability's description to reflect this. Mohrpheus 14:11, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree! She even talked with Hitsugaya between the "Hirviendo" and the "Cascada". There is no way it is just one technique. She used 'Hirviendo' to boil the ice and 'Cascada' to attack... two different techniques. - Fraccion 15:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The latest chapter confirms that they're separate techniques, because she used Hirviendo alone. Lia Schiffer 07:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Name
In the new Chapter the correct way to spell her name has been shown. I protected te page from being move until the Chapter is fully out as to prevent spoilers for those who want to wait to see it for themselves. WhiteStrike 12:45, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Where does it actually say her name is Harribel? How do you know the RAW doesn't say Halibel? Drunk Samurai 08:44, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Chapter cover same as how Tite Kubo usually releases the speeling here is link to the image.

Then why are there more letters than they would spell Harribel? Also how do you know the cover is actually canon? Covers are very rarely ever canon. Such as Oda's Cover story arcs. Many mangaka have written out names but spelled them completely different in the official databooks. Drunk Samurai 08:59, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Ehm... look closer at the letters. Exact letters for Harribel. And why would Tite Kubo write a wrong spelling of the character's name in the cover? Besides, what makes you think it's not Harribel?. It makes more sense if her name comes from Harry Bell Measures, the architecht. Yes, I liked the previous spelling better. But this is the official romanization, there's nothing to do to it. Lia Schiffer 09:02, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you guys consider her name comes from Halle Berry? 2 reasons for that: 1. Similar sounding names 2. She is black and just as sexy as the actress!! Shini_God 11:48, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you missed what I said. "Many mangaka have written out names but spelled them completely different in the official databooks." Also where did you pull the Harry Bell thing from? Nothing is official until the mangaka directly states it(like a interview) or releases a databook with correct spellings. In fact, sometimes multiple names get used. Drunk Samurai 09:23, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Stop bullshitting around. The name on the cover was written by Kubo, thus it is canon until he say it otherwise. If he'll say otherwise, we will change it again. Nobody cares that you like it or not. His word is above all, and is the only thing that matters, because it is his manga. Every disobeying voice is just noisure of rage.

That brings the question about how covers are canon. Of course the only one bullshitting is some idiot with only 3 edits. Drunk Samurai 09:53, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know about other mangas, but so far, in Bleach, covers with names have always been canon. And I still don't see why you make such a fuss out of something like this. The previous romanization was fan-made and had no canon reference, it just seemed to be the logical one. Kubo said it isnt'. Until he gives a different romanization, we'll keep onto Harribel. Lia Schiffer 09:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

How would you know they have always been canon? Did he release a databook with the same exact names as the covers? Drunk Samurai 10:14, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Uhm... Yeah? You know... the Bleach SOULS Official Character Book? It only includes shinigami, but the names are the exact same that the ones released on the covers. And as for the Arrancars, Ulquiorra and Grimmjow have been confirmed when he released the character profiles in Volume 38. Lia Schiffer 20:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Where does it actually say that her name is spelled Harribel. Stop assuming. Why don't we just wait until Tite Kubo puts something out (like a databook or something) until we start changing things ourselves. This wiki is known for changing things that are not 100% proven (ex: Ulquiorra's Last name). It has never been stated in the manga that his last name is spelled Cifer instead of Schiffer. We keep changing things on the website despite it being proven )ex: Halibel's Hirviendo attack. Someone put that the attack had Casacada on the end of it like it was supposed to be Hirviendo Cascada when it was actually two attacks. Why not wait two or three chapters to see if things change. Editing and unediting is just another way of keeping confusion around). I doubt many people on here translate Japanese so how would you know if anything was spelled right unless you were Japanese. People on the wiki need to stop taking things into our own hands and let the people that translate do what they do. All we need to do is take the information they've translated and put it on the website. Not to mention the fact that we're confusing the heck out of people that do more anime watching and visit the website to see that names are different than on the TRANSLATED anime version that comes from Japan. And please don't say that the anime is not a good source or that this website is strictly manga because if that's the case the pictures need to be taken down and the wiki needs to be only manga. I don't mean to be rude to anyone but people on this website are always talking about keeping the speculation down when most of the people that talk about speculation put it down anyway (that's kind of hypocritical). Don't get me wrong though because I'm grateful for this wiki but the speculation thing (especially with the translations) is out of control. --- Klross1.


 * Well.. you know... the cover that was not translated but officially written in romanji by Tite Kubo said it was Harribel. And the official character profiles in Volume 38, that were romanized by Tite Kubo said that is was Cifer. I don't understand this whole mess. Calling her Halibel was just an assumption as it seemed to make sense, I already said this before. We do not speculate, you should've noticed by now that speculation is not the base of this wiki. It's not out fault if Tite Kubo took so long to give the correct spelling. You're drowning over a glass of watter, honestly. Lia Schiffer 20:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well Lia, whether you want to admit it or not, there is plenty of speculation on the wiki (that gets taken down by others). And i'm not "drowning over a glass of "water" as you say", I'm expressing my opinion (if you don't mind) just like everyone else on this wiki. And you're right, it isn't our fault if Tite Kubo brings the names out all late, but whether you believe so or not, the stuff that we don't know or aren't sure of shouldn't be out on the pages. "That" is speculation. ---Klross1.


 * Yes, there's a lot of speculation, like Unohana being one of the most beautiful women, or some Espadas being animal based or not, or the Espada-Shinigami counterparts, because we are humans, and as such, we have different opinions, which end in pointless editing wars. But I do think that going as far as saying that this Wiki is famous for being speculative is far too much. And I also think that making this HUGE fuss for two god forsaken letters is drowning ove a glass of water. And if you check the raws, the name that was written in that cover was romanized by Tite Kubo himself so it's CONFIRMED information. It's a waste of time to discuss over something that is OFFICIAL and as such, will remain the way it is. Same goes to all of those that have been editing it back to Halibel all day long. It's Harribel, bear with it. No one's gonna die for two letters.Lia Schiffer 06:10, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If so official, why continue to waste your breathe arguing about it. I simply stated my opinion like everyone else but you're the one that has the nasty attitude about it. And for someone who doesn't care about the two letters, you sure are making a fuss yourself. You can turn your judgments about others and what they "care" about back on yourself. I have just recently seen the raw and have seen that her name might be Harribel by the way. I apologize if I'm not a big enough fan to sit down and translate this stuff like you. I really don't feel like continuing this ridiculous argument over what Halibel or Harribel's name really is, so I'm gonna drop it, unless you continue it, and leave this be. ---Klross1.


 * Had I not gone on with this ridiculous argument, you would probably be one of those reverting it back to Halibel, and we have already two or three out there, we don't need any more. But I, like you, am tired of this argument, and I am glad that you admit that you might have been wrong. I see no reason to delve into this any further, so I'm gonna drop it too, apologizing if I insulted you in any way, it was never my intention. I'll admit that I get a bit too carried away some times over minor things. And for the record, I don't translate, I know nothing but a few letters of Japanese. I just check the Kana for those techniques that are in Spanish. And thanks WhiteStrike, for putting up that video. I hope people realize that, whether we like it or not, that's what Kubo decided and we must adhere to the official romanizations. Lia Schiffer 08:06, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * First of all, please don't assume anything about me and what I do. I don't edit anything on this website unless I know the facts. Seeing as how I didn't know that facts about Harribels name I was not going to revert the name back. I simply asked how do people know for sure that her name is Harribel instead of Halibel, that's all. I too apologize for things that might have been said by me in an offensive manner. I just wanted to know where the facts came from. ---Klross1.

Well, I'd think that if Kubo spelled something out in plain english, that'd be what it is supposed to be. "Cifer" was in the manga volume in English. With your logic, Barragan's fat arrancar would not even have a name. Harribel is the definitive translation because Kubo says it is. Speculation is a problem with many of this wiki's articles, but not in this case. Mohrpheus 14:45, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

You know I just have to say it's hilarious to say that this wikia doesn't allow speculation when you have crap like "Captain Unohana is considered to be one of, if not the most beautiful female in Soul Society, having a large amount of male admirers." in your articles. Drunk Samurai 02:22, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Which is why you are supposed to make it neutral. Then if they keep on changing it you get them banned for vandalism. Speculations should not be on a Wikia. Drunk Samurai 09:26, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Her name is Harribel facts that come from the author himself in the manga chapters. and for those of you who still have trouble accepting Grimjow's and Ulquoirra's last name check this video of the chapter volume. . Is my own copy of the manga volume and I'll get the original manga and make one like this for Harrible as well maybe tomorrow if I have time to go out and buy it. As a bonus it also shows the name of Barragan's fraccion. WhiteStrike 10:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Her name is spelled with 1 "r" not two. it is shown in the manga.Grimmjow22 21:25, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It's two 'R's in the manga picture... - HuecoMuffin 17:47 May 25 2009 (UTC)


 * Um in the spoilers for the upcoming chapter have been confirmed, and it states her name is  Harribel. I know it can't be added due to the spoiler policy, but I hope it's okay to mention it here...Revan46 18:26, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Unreleased power
The trivia bit, "She is the only Arrancar whose zanpakutō has shown to have a special technique in its unreleased state.", is not entirely accurate with the release of a few recent chapters. Barragan shows the ability to use a power before releasing as well. RecklessFire 07:02, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * But that was Barragan himself, not his zanpakutō. Lia Schiffer 07:07, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What? Was it not part of his release power to age? It sure seemed like it, what with making her slow down and all... RecklessFire
 * Yes, but he slowed her down without even touching his zanpakutō, and he broke her arm touching her with his hand, still not holding his zanpakutō. It's not part of his release power but of his power in itself to age things. His Resurrección just makes it much more powerful. Lia Schiffer 07:23, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If you say so... RecklessFire 07:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Harribel Tia
Isn't her first name Harribel? I know this chapter said Tia Harribel, but the japanese say there last names before the first. Hitsugaya also did the same thing. Thunderwitch 07:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * But, so far, all of the Arrancars have introduces themselves saying their given name first, then the surname (i.e. "Cuatro Espada, Ulquiorra Cifer", "Espada 0, Yammy Rialgo", ans so on) Lia Schiffer 07:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Explain her cover page last week. Why it said "Harribel" instead of "Tia"Thunderwitch 08:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

While it isn't common in Western culture, some names actually do have their surnames first, before their given names. Harribel might be Bleach's notable example (even though Arrancar aren't necessarily "Western"). Either way though, we're going with what the translations have supplied us with on this one (except that her name is "Tia Harribel", not "Tia Halibel"). Arrancar109 08:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

lol thats dumb. Especially since Tite Kubo supplied us with her correct first name last chapter that clearly said "HARRIBEL". But whatever. You guys are wrong anyways :)Thunderwitch 08:10, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well... though it'd made sense that Harribel was her first name, I'm guessing Kubo didn't add "Tia" on that cover because it hadn't been revealed in the storyline. But saying that it's wrong to disagree with you is rather absurd, until Kubo himself states that Tia is her last name, I suppose we'll stick to what the translators gave us, and the raws have it also as "Tia Harribel". That's my last word on this. Though I have no admin position, I guess we'll keep it like it was said in the manga until Kubo says otherwise. Lia Schiffer 08:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

The raw also said Hitsugaya Toshiro. But we didn't go edit his page and move it to "Hitsugaya Toshiro" did we? Thunderwitch 08:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Lia. The names of the other Espada are in Western order. As far as Hitsugaya goes, his name is Japanese (as in, kanji; remember, katakana are used for foreign words), and since this wiki is in English, his name is rendered in Western order. Nobody would switch Hitsugaya's name, that wouldn't make sense. Big red01027 08:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Thin why would Tite Kubo release this? http://ju-ni.net/wp-content/uploads/cover358small.png Since when does he put their last names on cover pages?Thunderwitch 09:10, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You're clearly barking up the wrong tree with that one. What I can say is that people would obviously know her as "Halibel" (or Harribel, whatever...explain why Kubo romanized it that way), and not "Tia". Big red01027 09:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * While you're at it, how about figuring out why Kubo would write 第３ (the third) and then give it the reading of "toresu" or tres. Big red01027 09:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you tell me. Obviously your first guess would be that her name is Tia if Harribel is on the cover page with the name Tia on it. It doesn't take common sense smart one :) Thunderwitch
 * I would if I knew the answer. And about the splash page...every Bleach reader knows the current Tercera Espada is named Halibel/Harribel. Thus, what Kubo seems to be doing is providing the "correct" romanization for the name that readers are familiar with. He didn't use "Tia" (if that's actually her first name, and now I'm doubting that it is for some stupid reason) because the readers would be like: "Kubo, you numbnuts, her name is HALIBEL." Readers like their continuity, you know. Or maybe you don't, and that's why you didn't get it at first. Big red01027 09:41, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

He put it there because thats her first name. Thats the only reason why. If her first name was Tia. It would have been their and we would have been calling her that all along.Thunderwitch
 * If Harribel was her first name, Kubo would not have written her name out the way he did. Look at the raw for 359, it shows Tia Harribel. All the other Espada have their first name written first, except Stark because he only has one name at the present time. Why is this? Because their names ARE NOT Japanese, and thus are not written like Hitsugaya, et al. Big red01027 10:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, well Tia is a cute name I guess. She just looks like Harribel to me. Thanks for explaining.Thunderwitch

Her name not being Japanese has nothing to do with it (I don't think so) because whether she's Japanese or not, this is a manga that was initially meant for Japanese people (and yes I know that there are English readers as well but the manga (before the translations) was meant for the Japanese. Besides, before we knew most of the other espadas full names, Kubo was releasing their last names, not their firsts. I'm not asking for a change or anything because I (like many others are waiting a couples of chapters to see if more info will arise to confirm her name is actually Tia Harribel besides Harribel Tia. Thanks. --klross1 04:39, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, obviously I disagree. I'll just say that I don't think it's wise to assume that the Japanese don't understand names in Western order. Big red01027 04:48, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that Japanese people aren't familiar with names in Western order at all, what I'm saying is that there is a possibility that Kubo wanted to put it in a way that Japanese people read and speak. Neither you nor I know what that man is thinking. For all we know he could have wanted to change his way of writing to suit his own people rather than readers in other countries. He also could have also made a mistake in putting her name as Tia Harribel and so put Toshiro's as Hitsugaya Toshiro (because Toshiro nor any other shinigami, as far as I know, have introduced themselves last name first in the manga)(this was just an example to explain my point by the way). So that's why I said that I'll wait for the next couple of manga chapters to be sure. Thanks. --klross1 05:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

For whatever it's worth, "Tia" is the spanish word for Aunt. Given her closeness to her fraccion, it wouldn't be surprising if they referred to her as "Tia Harribel." Ramirez16

When used as a name over here in the west, it's been as a first name in every instance I've seen. TomServo101 21:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Number
And the word was changed from tercera to tres, why exactly? RecklessFire 20:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Tercera is more accurate and we were using that up until Harribel introduced herself as the "Tres Espada". The raw scans also say "toresu" (tres) instead of "terusera" (tercera). LapisScarab 20:41, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you for that. Damn Kubo and his bad Spanish... RecklessFire 15:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

sword hand
if i;m not wrong it seems she is able to wield her sword in either hand, seen when she attacked Tōshirō Hitsugaya after her resurrection, see here and here

you are correct. No offense but have you read her article already? It is already stated there that she is an ambidextrous.--Agate genbu 02:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * no offense taken as i had not in-fact read that area as it is usually very generic Fawcettp 05:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to have something on my mind... "Harribel is ambidextrous" I'd disagree... being able to wield a sword in both hands doesn't make one ambidextrous... It could also be kubo tite's mistake... but is she still ambidextrous no... ( in my opinion)--Cyberflame 12:22, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

This is actually a wrong assessment as being equally adept in using both hands is the definition of being ambidextrous. Not to mention Kubo is the creator of the series, he doesn't make mistakes thats your interpretation not a fact. Salubri (Talk)  06:07, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Attack Upgrade.
It seems that La Gota is an upgraded version of Proyectil Azul. Should we mention that. I would thinking of say something like the diference is "Proyectil Azul has some diferences from its upgraded version ssuch as shape, power and which it is made of."Also La Gota seems made out of water more than Proyectil Azul is.Saimaroimaru 02:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll have to disagree. There's nothing to lead us to think that it's an upgraded version of Proyectil Azul because, just as you stated, they don't seem to have anything in common (shape, power, material, name, etc.). And while Proyectil Azul sent Toshiro flying, he himself commented that La Gota wasn't that strong an attack. Lia Schiffer 05:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Name Confusion
"Tia Harribel (ティア・ハリベル, Tia Hariberu), sometimes incorrectly romanticize as Halibel," Tite Kubo did not put that her name was "Harribel" the FANSUBS PUT THAT. Being as Tite Kubo does not speak or write English. That fansub that translates the manga are actually a bunch of people that know Japanese not necessarily Japanese themselves. The actual Japanese pronunciation of her name is Hariberu which translates in Halibel considering that the Japanese can not pronounce L's and use R's in there place. As anyone that has Japanese friends or has taken Japanese would realize. Her correct name in english would be Tia Halibel, The Harribel was incorrect. If you go back to previous chapter you will see the correct spelling.Amazonqueen27 22:10, 4 July 2009 (UTC)amazonqueen27


 * It was confirmed via manga, not via subs. In other words, Kubo wrote the name down in a manga character page, which is where the info was retrieved. The image shown here came directly from the manga, and the spelling came from here. The crew who do the Anime subs got it from the manga as well. Arrancar109 05:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Zanpakuto's Special Ability
I only watch the English version, so I dont know too much about her, but I saw the picture of her attacking Toshiro on his page, and it was supposed to be her sealed form's special ability, right? It was on the anime, so why is the manga picture still up?--Kylecharmed 20:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The technique wasn't named and fired in the Anime as of yet. True, in both the Manga and Anime, she does swipe at Toshiro with a variation of it, but it isn't named or fired as a projectile until after the whole Evolved Ichigo Hollow part. Arrancar109 20:21, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Cold stare
It doesn't look like she was giving him a cold stare,she looks the same.

gohanRULEZ 03:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, she always looks like thatOne eyed king 03:57, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Hierro
When I was writing article about hierro on polish wersion of bleachwiki I thinked about one think. Why isn't on Tia page in secion about her powers and abilities mentioned that she have hierro? When she was freed from ice obelisk she was unharmed what would indicate that was beacuse she have quite strong hierro.

Just because she emerged from the ice obelisk unscathed doesn't necessarily mean it was due to her Hierro. Since the ice flowers bloomed on contact with her, and did not suffer any injury (besides feeling very, very cold) from the ice itself, it might be a bit early to assume that her hierro helped in any way while encased in ice.AuronValentine 12:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes. I not nessesery because of her hierro but since all espada (beside 8) show their quite strong hierro (also 1 and 2 espada wasn't hit so about them hierro we don't know much) I just think it's one of moments when we see her. But for now maybe you're right with undo my edit. But I hope in her actual fight with Lisa or some of other two 'childs' we'll see how strong her hierro is.--Kazuki Senzo Miyakami 06:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe she should have hierro listed as one of her abilities. All arrancar have it. While the strength of it is debatable it should at least be mentioned. She is the third espada and often believed to have been a vasto lorde, this would make her hierro very strong. Greyexile 05:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The fact is from now on the power and abilities section will be referenced like every other portion of the history or synopsis, If the use of hierro is not referenced its not placed. Regardless of the probability of her having hierro like all arrancar if she isn't shown using it then its not placed. Barragan is never shown using cero though he most likely can, the section is only to showcase what they have done. Zommari only shown using Sonido and some swordsmanship thats all there is. Ulquiorra, grimmjaw, nnoria are shown using it.Salubri 19:31, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Element control
The trivia says that Harribel and Dordonii are the only arrancar that have control over an element.

UNTRUE.

Edrad and Ying had control over fire, Findor could shoot pressurized water in his ressureccion and Yang had control over electricity.


 * Good spot. It is indeed incorrect. Findor, Edrad, Ying are elemental too, and I believe Gantanbien was an electricity user as well. I don't know where people stand on earth-elements (Cuulhorne is a plant/earth element if you want to count that, though I wouldn't). The trivia should either be changed to reflect this or else removed. I'll leave it up to someone else to decide on which. --Yyp 12:11, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Humanoids
In the Trivia section, this is stated "Out of the Espada who have released their Zanpakutō, she and Starrk retain the most humanoid appearance in said form". I find that to be incorrect, or at the very leasy, incomplete. Barragan has a complete human skeleton, this would make him arguably the most humanoid of them all.


 * I didn't know that was still there. Either way, I'm removing it, as it doesn't seem relevant and many Arrancar are humanoid in their released forms. Arrancar109 19:26, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Aizen attack
The article says "Harribel, looking shocked at Aizen, questions his actions, but Aizen only responds with a simple smile and slashes Harribel across her midsection, claiming that he is done with her, as it appears that she is not strong enough to fight for him.[8][9]", but the reason to the attack wasn't confirmed. Maybe this or maybe something related to Harribel aspect of death: Sacrifice Coutinho305 15:53, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Yes it was or I should say, those words came verbatim from the manga. Someone missed a page.[LINK EXPUNGED] Tinni 16:01, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Trivia
Both 3rd Espada, Harribel and Nelliel, were betrayed by allies, should we add this?


 * This is actually something that could be added. However Nel was betrayed by an Espada where as Hallibel was betrayed by Aizen her leader. I wouldn't add it just yet. Minato88 18:57, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

"Interestingly, both Harribel and Nelliel Tu Oderschvank were the Tres Espada, are female, share certain personality traits, and actually cared about their Fracción, who work together by combining their Cero blasts into one. In addition, their attacks are named after weapons and colors, although the spiritual power emitted by that attack is different from the name, with Lanzador Verde being violet instead of green and Proyectil Azul being yellow instead of blue."

Am I the only one who thinks the above is junk trivia and not to mention too long? And when did Harribel's fraccion combine their cero blasts? They fired ceros together to disperse Haineko's ash but when did they sync their cero? Tinni 04:45, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

I originally combined it, because it had originally been three separate trivia points. But I agree that it's not relevant. Name any two characters in the entire series and you'll be able to draw similarities between them. However, this is certainly not the only character who has such trivia. Muramasa being compared to Ulquiorra is one that immediately comes to mind; I really don't think they look that similar and I question that trivia's relevance when it's just personal opinion. But I don't like to go around removing such trivia, on the off chance that someone has an amazing argument for drawing those parallels. Twocents 05:06, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

The reason I haven't removed them yet is because we don't really have a rule against junk trivia but the trivia section of a LOT of characters has become too long, totally irrelevant and full of junk trivia, not to mention paragraph long trivia (Ichigo's section the worst culprit). A trivia shouldn't be more then one, maximum two not overly long lines. If it can't be expressed in one or two lines then it should be incorporated elsewhere in the article or given it's own section if it is important but doesn't really fit in anywhere else. E.g. I made a new censorship section for Harribel and moved the trivia entries regarding that to there. Otherwise it just becomes ridiculous! So unless someone comes in here and says that they actually find that particular trivia useful, I'll remove it. Tinni 05:24, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

I don't feel strongly about it one way or another. While it's not really relevant trivia, I've removed far more useless trivia on a large amount of articles. Sometimes someone will try to re-add it, but it's taken down again as soon as I find out about it. I'm not sure if someone will try to re-add it, but again, I don't feel strongly about this particular trivia point. Arrancar109 05:35, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

"Both Harribel and Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck were the Tres Espada, are female, share certain personality traits, and actually cared about their Fracción. In addition, their attacks are named after weapons and colors, although the spiritual power emitted by that attack is different from the name, with Lanzador Verde being violet instead of green and Proyectil Azul being yellow instead of blue. "

I have no idea how the above escaped our junk trivia clean-up drive but the above is clearly junk and we have removed such speculative comparison from other articles. So I have removed it now. Do not re-add. Tinni 00:50, December 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * She and Patros are the only Arrancar whose Zanpakutō has been shown to have a special technique in its unreleased state.

I just removed the above trivia. How many times must we explain that we don't do the "first of", "last of" and the "only" type trivia. Tinni  (Talk)  13:55, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

New profile pic
we definitely need to get a new picture for Hallibel. The one we have is very insufficiant, and shows her from a bad view. I have found a good picture of her. KiranTheBoi

No, that's a terrible picture. There is nothing wrong with the one being used on the profile now. I personally vote to keeping the current picture as it is. Tinni 02:57, November 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Being as how this topic has not yet been closed, I vote to put this picture as the new profile picture. The current one we have is very.... nasty looking, in my opinion, and makes her hair look flat and her outfit and neck look a lot longer. Plus, this picture makes her look a lot like her her description, being serious and in thought most of the time. Ya know, just sayin'. KiranTheBoi 5:00 pm March 5th, 2010. (UTC)


 * That picture will not be used as a profile image. Profile images should be facing the viewer. The current one is fine imo. -- Yyp (Talk) 23:16, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Possibly Alive?
Can it be possible for Harribel to be alive? She was only cut in the stomach and stabbed in the shoulder. Any one can survive that can't they? Shes number three she is a very sweet person when you think about.

We have been through this numerous times and the answer is, there is not a shred of evidence apart from wishful thinking on the part of fans that she is alive. On the other hand we have Mashiro Kuna say that she was dead after we saw her fall from the sky like a dead weight. So until and unless something happens in the manga that indicates that she might be alive, nothing on the wiki will be changed. If you wish to discuss the possibility that Harribel is alive, please go to the forums. Tinni 12:47, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Ola Azul
I was reading volume 41 of Bleach when I noticed on page 116 that Harribel no longer calls her sword projectile technique Proyectil Azul. Instead the technique is named Ola Azul (波蒼砲（オーラ・アズール) Ōra Azūru), meaning "blue wave" in Spanish and "wave blue gun" in kanji. I went to the Japanese Wikipedia Arrancar article and it was claimed that the technique is called Ola Azul but noted that when chapter 355 was first published the technique was named Proyectil Azul. It seems that, for whatever reason, Kubo decided to change the name of the technique. Should the name of Proyectil Azul be changed to Ola Azul and have the name changed explained in the trivia? Rabukurafuto 17:39, January 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * We would need a scan of the raw of the volume version to verify this before anything is changed. -- Yyp (Talk) 19:55, January 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * All right, I was able to get a scan of Harribel saying "Ola Azul". Rabukurafuto 04:40, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

By Jove, you're completely correct! Ola Azul = Spanish for "blue wave" (of course, in Spanish, adjectives usually follow the word they modify, so more lit. it's "wave blue" = "blue wave," just like English a bridge too far), Japanese kanji for "wave blue gun/cannon." Good catch! In light of this, I would support changing it as Rabukurafuto suggests, even as Kubo changed the description of "Allon" from Quimera Carpa to a corrected Quimera Parca when the chapter went to volume. Adam Restling 07:30, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

I have made the change. Thank you for pointing this out to us Rabukurafuto and thanks Adam Restling for confirming it. Tinni  (Talk)  07:45, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, thank you for changing it. I should have done so myself long ago, but I suppose I was waiting to see reactions to the panel.Rabukurafuto 02:48, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

We wanted to verify it to be positive, as not many of us are able to translate kanji, but the topic was almost buried until I brought some translation issues to Adam Restling, which included verifying this. Thanks for letting us know and bringing it to our attention. Arrancar109 (Talk)  06:05, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

raietsu
Why is neliels raietsu vast and harribels immensive there shouldnt be that much diffrence betweeen them as they hold the same rank.

Sign your posts, and Nelliel is listed as vast as it has not been properly referenced or maintenanced as of yet where as Harribel has. In any case that is neither a reflection of either rank, which is determined by Aizen or if they can keep it from those seeking to replace them. Salubri (Talk)  20:57, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

What do u mean by referenced and maintanancedBankai Ichigo 21:07, February 26, 2010 (UTC)Bankaiichigo

Articles are commonly placed on the site with content and information without proper references and with speculation and erroneous information that needs to be removed. There also needs to be proper organization and fleshing out of the information. This is basically a complete overhaul of the page that is very time consuming and commonly requires the page to be protected. In the event that a page needs to be overhauled it is done so by administrators.Salubri (Talk)  21:59, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Loyalty to Aizen
From the personality section:

"She views Aizen and his powers in high regard(...)"

Is there an actual manga reference for that? Just because she, like most of the other Espada, refers to him as "Aizen-sama" doesn't mean she actually "views Aizen (...) in high regard". MarqFJA 15:05, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

If you are asking if she ever comes out and says "I view Aizen-sama in high regard" no she does not. However, she does tell Barragen to be more respectful towards Aizen, essentially sticking up for him when Barragen implies that Aizen screwed-up by being caught in Yama-jii's flames. Therefore, that line is accurate. Tinni  (Talk)  15:11, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Of course I wasn't expecting her to say it literally. BTW, her standing up to Aizen can be on the principle that a superior should always be respected regardless of personal grudges (she's looking at you, Baraggan), or any other similar reason. Not necessarily "high regard" for his person and/or abilities. MarqFJA 15:57, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Appearance
The third-to-last sentence in the first paragraph of her appearance section needs to be removed, as it makes no sense. --D.D. King 22:28, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

"To date she has the most intact mask of any Arrancar not including the incomplete Grand Fisher (though the mask is removed upon her Zanpakutō's release)."

By intact, they mean that she has the largest mask raiment so far in the series. It goes from above her nose to her breasts. Makes sense to me.--Gold3263301 22:45, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I was talking about her being "well-endowed"--D.D. King 22:53, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

The comparison is unnecessary and has been removed. The large size of her breasts is now noted in the second sentence of that paragraph. As far as I'm concerned that is all that needs to be said about them. -- Yyp (Talk) 23:13, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Her censorship
It's stated that from the manga to the anime her jacket length was increased, the black stripe in the anime version marking the original length. This is incorrect as if you look closer at the two images, the jackets are the same length. You may not be able to easily tell from the front, but if you look where the bottom of the jacket cuts across behind the character you'll see that it is the same length in either version, and that the black stripe marks nothing more then a character 'look' change. Otherwise, find a better picture to compare the two that makes sense. The picture shown, it's clearly the same length. The only censorship change I can see is that the mask was extended further down. TehStrikez 17:15, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

They wrapped the jacket around her boobs, fully covering them--Godisme (Talk)  17:32, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

The picture on the article is not there to illustrate the difference between her jacket in the anime & manga, it is to show the difference between her mask fragments. The difference in her jacket can be seen far more clearly when it is zipped up. And there is a clear and significant difference. Compare a frontal shot of her from the manga prior to chapter 343 to the anime and you will see that it has been extended. Yyp (Talk) 21:35, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps we should also mention the censorship in her Resurrección. Animorph25 04:54, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ola Azul Image
Just looking at the latest episode where Harribel uses Ola Azul and I can't find a good single shot of her using the technique, so I'm thinking if we want a decent image someone's going to have to make a GIF of the attack, unless we do a before/after image split where we show the attack in the blade and put an image below of the attack's effect, or just one image of the attack charging. Prophet of Sanghelios 03:55, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

A GIF might be for the best. Chances are Tinni is going to do something about it, since she's done so many GIFs for us in the past. Still, in case of the event that it doesn't happen, I'll see what I can do for finding still shots. Arrancar109 (Talk)  06:04, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

GIF. Hope you guys like it. Tinni  (Talk)  12:25, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Thank You. Salubri (Talk)  12:47, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Episode 274 & Harribel's History
How about this pic? Is it good enough to be on the article? BlazeUchiha (Talk)  16:01, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Only if it's out on Crunchyroll or another subber, since it's non-manga content. Also, depending on what happens (this is likely an anime's take on her form before joining Aizen), it'll probably end up in the History section. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  16:03, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

The episode is out on BleachExile and other sites. It seems to be a flashback to the Arrancar arc (Aizen's outfit & hair (& lack of glasses) is the same as when he recruited Starrk). Yyp (Talk) 16:06, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

It would still go out on the History section, wouldn't it? Because it was that way for Starrk and Lilynette. I think the only exception for this would be Aizen himself, since he recruited all three of them after he betrayed Soul Society. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  16:11, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, that's right. I'm getting mixed up with things. Yyp (Talk) 16:18, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Actually no. It wouldn't go in the history section. It would go under the "Arrancar Arc" section. Which is where we put Starrk. So for consistency, Harribel will now get an Arrancar Arc section with wording similar to Starrk, "Sometime after defecting from Soul Society..." etc. Tinni   (Talk)  16:20, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Actually Tinni, Starrk does have it under a History section. It is actually how the article is laid our right now. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  16:22, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

That's what I thought too Tinni, but I checked when Arrancar109 mentioned it & that's not the way it is written on Starrk's page. I'm at a loss to explain why it is that way, cause I was certain that is how it was added. No matter. Yyp (Talk) 16:26, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Should we change the way it's laid out on his article then? <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  16:27, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

You are right. It has been changed and it's weird! I was sure we had that stuff in the Arrancar Arc... could I be losing my mind... O.O Tinni   (Talk)  16:51, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

You know why its in the history section rather then the Arrancar arc section. It is because it happened in Starrks past. If you recall we didn't know who he was up until the Hueco Mundo arc. As I believe it stands what qualifies as history is anything taking place before the storyline that we know about. In Aizen's article it makes sense to be under an arc because we have known of him since the SS arc. In similar Kaien Shiba majority of what happened to him is before these current arcs, hence it goes in his history section. True its not 6, 10, 100 years ago just a matter of a month or two but it is his past detailed in flashbacks otherwise he would have no history section at all. With Harribel we didn't know who she was until the Hueco Mundo arc either. Aizen's present as determined by his actions in the various arcs are her past in this case just as its starrks past, considering thats the only past information we have of them only seen through flashbacks which i believe constitutes the past.--<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  20:01, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if i have a missed a part of the discussion, but would anyone remember that anime also has information that is not cannon. Besides that we barely have any history for harribel to put in a section with those two pictures, so be back on tophic. How the devil should such things be done. BTW sorry for any idiocy for my part but im a little bit sleepy. --Gojita 06:44, June 9, 2010 (UTC)Gojita

I have to agree with Salubri. It should be under history because it is the characters history. Each characters history date should be relative to them.--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  06:59, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I am a bit torn on this matter. Yes, it should definitely go under History, that's out of the question. But this is Anime-only material, so it's really non-cannon. So if there is a History section, it should get an "Anime-only" tag. On another matter, nothing happened on this flashback. We just saw her surrendering to Aizen. So how much could be said in this History section? Maybe a short description of Harribel's look and that it happened after Aizen's defection but nothing more unless we would want to add something about the "Sacrifice" but that's more about her personality, I think, and pretty risky to add since it was only reflected upon during the Anime. I'm not entirely against adding this. I'm just not sure about it because I'm not sure if we can consider it really cannon. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  07:53, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * "Anime-only" isn't the problem here and we don't need to add that "anime-only" tag either. It is a canon episode and therefore, highly unlikely they gave a Hollow Design for Harribel, a canon character, that didn't come from Kubo. Under the anime policy there is no reason not to consider Harribel's past as canon or more accurately, there is no reason to consider Harribel's hollow form to be not canon - which is the essential new revelation here. Tinni   (Talk)  08:23, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I don't really mind if it's anime-only material, though I wouldn't be surprised if Tite Kubo had some say in adding this to the anime as I was quite surprised to see something this potentially major added. The problem is other then getting a glimpse at Harribel's hollow form we don't really have anything to say about the scene. I say add the images and what info we do have to the article, and if it looks fine then save it. Prophet of Sanghelios 08:39, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm pretty concerned about making this History section, since there's very little to add. And about her Hollow form... would that really be called a Hollow form, or a first Arrancar form. Don't forget that, despite that it wasn't explored deeper, Grand Fisher had a different Arrancar form prior to the Arrancar arc. Also, Hollows have their faces covered completely prior to evolving into Arrancar, and the top half of Harribel's head is visible. Let's not forget that Kon found it strange that Grand Fisher's face could be seen before he knew what an Arrancar was. It's probably not much of an issue, since it isn't written yet, but if it is to be written, we should probably clarify where we stand on this. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  08:48, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Damn I didn't think of that, your right, her face is showing so it may be something like an early Arrancar form. I think we should just leave it for now before all the speculating comes into play and wait and see if an explanation is offered sometime in the future. If we don't get one then the best we can do is simply put in what we do know. Prophet of Sanghelios 09:10, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well it is a complicated issue. I foresee a lot of speculation coming about this Hollow form. As you have pointed out (I hadn't thought of it), she lacks a complete mask and the Hollow eyes to be called a "Hollow", but I feel she looks too humanoid to be an incomplete Arrancar. Though the only incomplete Arrancars we saw were not in Harribel's level, so I don't know, it seems hard to tell. It does seem it'll be troublesome to even describe what this form is. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  09:16, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it is complicated. But what is crucial here is avoid using the words "hollow" or "arrancar". Instead we should just say "form at the time". So "Sometime after his defection from Soul Society. Aizen recruited Harribel personally. At the time her form..." describe the form (I am terrible at describing stuff). As for the picture, we should "fuse" them so that we use just one picture but with a split view that shows both her whole hollow form and her face. We then leave the readers of the wiki to draw their own conclusion about whether she is a Vasto Lord Menos, Adjuchas Menos, Natural Arrancar etc, etc. Tinni   (Talk)  09:37, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well I constructed something resembling a history section with the two pictures. I tried to describe Harribel's hollow form but I am really no good at that sort of thing. See what you guys think or if you can expand on it. Tinni  (Talk)  12:27, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Harribel's Release Anime Image
I made this image from screenshots I got from episode 274 from the anime.

I know it's from the omake, but in my opinion,

I think this image is better to illustrate her released form

simply because you can see it alot clearer than the current one.

In any case, I'll leave it to you guys to decide which is better.

Shiro Spiker 04:52, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

The omake picture is prettier in some aspects, as I have pointed out elsewhere, the drawing for 274 was way better than 273 and seems to be more detailed, but we use pictures that are as close as possible to the original manga sketch, so I'm almost sure the omake picture is not eligible because it comes from an omake. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  05:24, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

I understand.

Thanks for letting me know Lia.

Shiro Spiker 14:23, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for my bad grammar, but I wanted to tell you my opinion. I support Shiro Spiker.

I think we must change picture from 273 to picture from the omake. Current picture ruined an article. It portrays Harribel very bad. She looks a bit curve. Omake picture is better. I don't see the problems with anime only moment. For example, at Gin's page we have an image from the 270 omake, which portrays his eyes. Also, Harribel's article would be look more better with this new picture.

ZORASH 13:55, June 16, 2010 (UTC)