Bleach Wiki talk:Administrators/Archive 2

Inactivity
Im pretty sure that unfortunately Twocents is gone for good its been 6 months with no response or even log on which sucks but if there is no objection he should be dropped from admin status. The same for the inactivity of Maul Day who hasn't been involved at all that I can remember. Im still on the fence about Whitestrike I know Arrancar109 still goes to him for help but thats something a user could accomplish he is currently not involved at all on admin level and doesn't remotely edit anymore at all. I already put a message out to the committee members who are not as active as well to determine whats going on there. Any thoughts?

Also There is a previous issue of titles on the wiki. Before I had brought up the issue of the administrators. Well the issue is more of one necessity and contribution on the wiki. In other words if not making a contribution then no need to be an admin as one is just as effective being a normal user. In particular we have The Ultimate3, while he is the founder of the wiki he doesn't edit here any longer since i first join really. In light of that its not that he isn't available but his concern and edits are given over to the Narutopedia now. Then there is WhiteStrike he no longer makes edits and though he appears around he hasn't shown any interest in the admin side of things or engaging in any issues or development, nor does anyone look to him for admin help, hence he is just as capable as a normal user. Maul Day is not a contributor any longer either. Also unfortunately Twocents seems to be just gone hasn't been on this site nor his other wiki site where he's an admin since dec 2009.

The other issue is the Policy and Standards Committee. Normally we allow them to handle themselves but the issue is given some position or authority to those who can't contribute on more of a regular basis that the position would require. Just recently Nwang2011 was made the 2nd on the committee but has become increasingly absent with the fight articles he heads up not being touched. He has done other work but hasn't been on since the 5th currently. SerialSniper14 hasn't made an edit since april, he is also no active when asked about it he basically said he was busy and that he should be free this month and if not he resigns his position.

Basically I would suggest a shake up. drop the absent admin and bring in Tinni. Then drop the absent SerialSniper14 and determine whats up with Nwang2011. The head the committee normally it would go from that to the next one up but there was issue of someone taking the responsibility of the 2nd which no one wanted to do for whatever reason till Nwang2011 took it. So in that point we need someone to fill the role with good edits and understanding of the policies and is very active more then the current members. My pick would be Godisme. The whole point is that when you have nobody leading others into do anything nothing gets done. What i have noticed is alot not happeneing with the site. It doesn't seem to be improving. we get more new people but the more reliable people aren't doing to much and that needs to change. I dont want this to feel like a chore or anything but we are getting stagnant. Any idea or questions?--Salubri (Talk)  19:15, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

No disrespect intended to any of them, and I feel kinda bad saying this, but if someone is not contributing to the wiki, then I don't think that there is much point in them being an admin and so they should probably not continue to be an admin. They effectively are not an admin atm anyway due to their inactivity and thus the wiki is not going to suffer if their admin status is removed. The wiki is certainly not benefiting from it right now. If they ever return, they will have to reacquaint themselves with the site and policies which will take time, especially if they return after Wikia's New Look is implemented. We can review their case then, but in the meantime, well, times move on.

However, I think that if their admin status is removed, we should consider creating a section for them on the admin page listing them as former admins to acknowledge their past contribution to the wiki.

Tinni is the obvious candidate for a new admin and I would fully support her as an admin if she agrees to become one. We all know the work and dedication she has put in to this wiki, she is fully familiar with the policies and very helpful to other users, has good ideas and is good with the technical side of things. Unlike the recent flurry of user's asking to be admin in the mistaken believe that it will help them to edit, Tinni would actually benefit from the access to admin privileges and use them well. On top of that, with the New Look on the horizon, I think a fourth active admin would be quite good in case there are problems.

I have seen a number of people recently applying to be an admin saying that it will help them to make edits etc (see the request to be admin page and Forum:How to become an administrator). There seems to be a misconception out there that being an admin makes editing easier, with people not understanding that their edits are undone because they are poorly done, flat out wrong or against policy.

I also support Godisme for the Committee. He meets the requirements and would be good for the committee, imo. Looking at the discussion that was held over who should be the new number two on the committee to replace Minato88, I just hope that there is not so much trouble getting someone to be the new committee leader as there was then.

As sidenote, I started doing the beta testing for the wiki's New Look over the last two days. This basically involves editing as normal, while using the new look. So if you see any odd things in my edits, let me know so that I can fix them and report the problem to Wikia. You'll also see me making some edits at MediaWiki:Wikia.css. This is purely for the new look and will not affect anything related to the way the site is currently. I'm not allowed to say much about the new look other than what has been announced on Central Wiki, but my impressions are that presentation-wise it is a nice clean look, but there is much less space due to the fixed width, huge navigation bar at the top and fat sidebar on the right. There is a new blog post on central about the themes for the New Look. Going by that, the fixed width is there to stay and the empty space to the sides will be part of the theme/design and will be (relatively) easy to customize. Unfortunately I actually don't know anything more than that about it as they are not testing that bit yet. But I'm keeping an eye out for the hacks and mods that other users make to it for their own sites to get around things they don't like. I'll post about them if they're an issue for us here. There are already a couple of those popping up. 15:15, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ok where on the same page. Some of this is common sense so I doubt Arrancar109 will have an issue with any of this. As far as the introduction of new admin and committee member that will go along as usual. The old admin section will be made as well. --Salubri (Talk)  15:25, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

I don't feel I have to say all of the reasons, since Yyp said it already, but I'm in full support of Tinni becoming an administrator and Godisme being in the Committee.

I also like Yyp's idea of putting up a section of former administrators on the page, as I feel they each did some important contributions to the Wiki. I'm thinking we should probably close off the "Requests for Adminship" page, due to too many misconceptions. Obviously Yyp explained that part too, and I'm kind of getting tired people applying to be administrators just because their edits are undone, they're not reading the policies, or because they just hate the policies we have set up. Whether we get rid of the page itself is altogether, but I think we should at least close it off for now (and have it closed off indefinitely; I still see people trying to apply for adminship for these reasons after the theoretical reopening date comes).

As for the site design... Just go with whatever you want. I admit we need a new look, but I haven't been able to keep up enough with any sort of changes you had in mind since you pitched the idea on the Admin Talk page, which is why I haven't said much about it in the past. If there's something I missed afterwards, then please fill me in on the details I missed. Also, if you think our Favicon needs changing (the icon that shows up next the web address when on this site/the icon that shows up on your browser when the site is opened in a tab), let me know what you guys come up with, as I've been wondering about that part myself without copying either the Spanish Bleach Wiki or the German Bleach Wiki's Favicons. Arrancar109 (Talk)  15:52, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Article
Em, it seems that this has slipped under our radar again. The vote for feat. article is tied between Ukitake & Isshin. Tie-break vote needed. I vote for Isshin's article. 15:05, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yea i guess I can go for Isshin as well, Ukitake will more then likely have a more promote roll to be up again at a later date. Salubri (Talk)  15:20, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

I'll vote on Isshin as well. Arrancar109 (Talk)  17:06, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Simple Change
Apparently its come to my attention. Godisme addressed me with "So Devilhand found where all of those people who wanted Gin's status changed. They all come from the bleach forums. Scrolling through their thread on it, I found that they are using Bleach Wiki:Simplified ruleset to justify their actions. They believe that rule 3 gives them free reign to do what they want because they believe it is helping the wiki. Seeing as all of our other policies are easy to find and well flushed out, is there even a reason to have the simplified rules?"

I personally dont see why we have that up, for a regular wiki thats fine but it undermines all the policies and allows people to act like vandals and allows them to attack other users. We dont claim to be like any other wiki and as far as how other wikis do things we stopped that long ago. The amount of false information and vandalism that occurs on the sight is far to much and its the policies not the rule set that has allowed us to be where we are currently. Some policies aren't perfect but that rule set is plain counter productive, i say we just delete it and move on. --Salubri (Talk)  22:44, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * If I'm right, that is something that comes with all new wikias as a basic guideline/advice to helping to set up the new wiki and leading it through the early days, outline how to edit in general, rather than being a binding policy. It would have been there since day one, but we have long since move on from that. We have no need of it. "Rule" 3 is most certainly not meant in the way that these people have been using it. The other "rules" (where useful) can be incorporated in the other policy documents if they have not already been, but the document as a whole can be scraped, imo. 23:05, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Votes (September)
Featured vote is a three way tie between Sōsuke Aizen, Hiyori Sarugaki & Kensei Muguruma. I vote for Kensei. 22:46, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

I too will vote for Kensei.--Salubri (Talk)  14:44, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Kensei Arrancar109 (Talk)  15:52, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Committee Nominations (Godisme)

 * 1)  - We have placed Godisme up for the nomination to become a member of the Bleach Wiki:Policy & Standards Committee. I affirm him in the appointment as in his time here he has a expert understanding of the policies of the sight. Is active in undoing vandalism, apprising others of the policies and making sure they are followed, he is a great contributor to the sight especially in the grammar department which he heads up on the sight. Also he is a great defender of the sight and the work that is done here and has taken on unnecessary attacks from those who would cause harm to the sight and even then he did not backed down. He isa great supporter and his accomplishments have not gone unnoticed. To bad alot of users arent as good or as dedicated. --<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri  <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  18:21, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  - Godisme has contributed a lot to the Wiki and has organized many articles, both summary-wise and grammar-wise. He's follows the policies we have established perfectly, and has tried to help others by informing them of when they are doing something wrong or breaching a policy. He's one of the most active users and contributors that I've seen on this site, and he does well to make sure each article we have follows the Manual of Style. Given everything he's done, he'll be a great addition to the Committee, and he has my full support. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  18:37, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  - Well, not much that I can add to the above. Godisme would be a fantastic addition to the Committee. Regularly on, ever vigilant, helpful to new and regular users alike, knows the site and its policies very well and has made a huge contribution to the wiki and helped to maintain and improve its standards. I vote for adding him as a member of the Committee.  22:22, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Bleach Movie 4
I was wondering, since we are likely to see an influx of edits about it, how are we going to deal with the new movie. Would any plot info from it be treated as a spoiler? If so, a new section for it should be made on the spoiler page. And how would we treat it considering the timescale involved here (a year until its release and likely another 9 months until a sub becomes available) - do we not allow plot details to be added until it is released in English, or would we allow details to be posted once it is released in Japan? 12:57, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * I was thinking that since we created a page about Heat the Soul 7 and protected it until it is released so that nobody other than the admins could edit it, should we consider doing the same with the new Bleach movie, as it will likely be the source of a lot of edits. This way we would be able to better keep control over it. 20:36, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Petition to re-open discussions forum
Tinni has suggested the following:


 * Hey, I was just thinking about closed discussions and how we don't actually have a mechanism by which to re-open it. All we really have is the ability to start new discussions on the same topic. It occurred to me that perhaps we should have some mechanism in place for people at least make a case for why a discussion should be re-opened. So I was wondering what you thought about starting forum thread in the "Improvements" forum where people can place petitions to re-open discussions. Doesn't mean we will re-open, but it does give people a place to lodge their case. Plus since it's the forums, it's out of the way etc, etc. Of course, we might want to take some topics off limits like the old and tired "Vizard" discussion. Or Viz translation vs fan translation discussion and other things like that. So what do you think? Tinni   (Talk)  12:59, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to me. 11:06, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yea I was thinking about this. A page where people can give their petitions to re-open discussions. They can then be evaluated by the committee and if a majority ruling is given by the committee on the accurate and consistent argument given for the reopening it can move on to the admin and again its the majority rule to determine whether its to be opened. Thats my general thoughts et me know what you think. I would agree with Tinni on the no longer bringing up the Vizard, Viz translation vs. Fan Translation, Tosens race, or character status. Other then these specifics im ok with the idea. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  12:28, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Scaling down and alot of work
Ok so now with some of the articles done with great work but with the fights articles we can start to scale them down some. The fights provide in-depth detail of the information regarding the fights, events and battles. In an effort to address the space we can summarize the articles a bit so to stop redundancy.

we can also start linking the specific character battles to their specific pages. Also on that note i notice the gallery pages link to the character articles but not the other way around. we should address that.

There are some articles in need of alot of help. Rukia, Renji's history and plot which is uncalled for being such important characters as well as Yumichika. Reiatsu and Reiyoku need some severe references.

What are your thoughts on this? <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  15:25, July 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * When we link a character article to a fight/event page, how should we do it? Is "Nel is the only one who catches up to Ichigo, arriving just in time to see Dordonii Alessandro Del Socacchio, a Privaron Espada. As Ichigo and Dordonii fight, the difference in power between the two quickly becomes apparent" alright or has anyone got a better idea? About image galleries: where would be the best place to link to the gallery? The infobox? 22:01, July 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well we could do it like that or we could just summarize the articles and list the fights at the bottom of the article. The gallery would probably best link in the infobox. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  23:33, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Masked Character Book & Changes Needed
A raw has been released and there are a lot of name changes, full names & new characters. To keep the chaos that all this will cause to a minimum, I think we need to get organized quickly. A project to oversee the name changes and creation of the new pages etc, finding all the bits that need to be changes etc. I am protecting several names so that articles cannot be created about them until we are ready (same for page moves). I will set up something. Still going through the raw.

The interview covers espada, arrancar & other character origins (seems we now have proof for certain arrancar being named after designers/architects, but only for some), other random stuff. For part of it, see here. 15:05, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

New Site Design
With the New change in the look of the main wiki I have been thinking. We should think about a new redesign to the sight to make it more in line with the serious aspects of Bleach. I was thinking along the lines of black highlighted by Blue, Red and White. Streamlined sections on the main page. Template colors more in line with the motif. A much better up to date logo in the left corner possibly a wallpaper of Ichigo overlooking Soul Society or something at the top background. Also I like the personal info fill in for user pages as well as the use of boards on the Bleach Answer Site, maybe there is a way to incorporate that. It seems we maybe running on the general old code of when Wiki's first started, as this site began in 2007 is considerably old in the computer standards. I think an update with all the trimmings to go with is exactly whats needed. What are your thoughts on this?--<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  17:50, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm in favour of a new, more Bleach-like theme and improved logo, though I think it would need to be voted on by the community. I'm not great at visualizing things like that, so I'd need to see a mock-up of it to say whether its good or not (a lot of templates would need to be recoloured though). Logo Creation Wiki make skins and logos for wikis. Don't know about the boards, but something like the personal info thing can be done here too using MediaWiki:Welcome-user-page. It would only appear for new users though. As for wikia's new skin, it seems that we don't have a choice in the matter - the staff have said that Monaco will only be enabled for a limited time after the new skin goes live. That could mess up a lot of things for every wiki there is as it will be different coding, but since it hasn't even started beta testing yet, some of the bigger changes may be scaled back by then. Well, that's something we can look forward to dealing with in the future. I applied to be a beta-tester, so I'll report back on what its like if I'm one of those selected. 13:55, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Zangetsu Article Request
Relating to this discussion, I received the following request:
 * Following the discussion on Ichigo's talk page, it seems to have been generally agreed upon that Zangetsu's information should be expanded with the manga content. In addition however, Tinni and Godisme have suggested that Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo's article be combined, since they are essentially the same being, albeit split into two parts. Tinni suggested that the page be named The Seat of Ichigo's Power, since as she said, that is how they described themselves in the manga. I'm relatively indifferent towards combining them, but I believe it could work with proper organization. However, seeing as this involves a major change of articles, particularly those involving a high-profile article like Ichigo's, Tinni recommended that this be put up for vote on the admin page. So essentially a vote between keeping the articles separate or combining them; I'd appreciate it if you brought this up with them. If you don't mind, I would also like to hear your opinions on this matter. Mohrpheus (talk) 03:45, September 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * See also: User blog:Tinni/Mock Zangetsu page

So do we want to expand Zangetsu (spirit) or create the new article or continue as before? I feel that combining the Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo (while a nice idea as they are parts of the same being) is not really all that practical. I am not against expanding the Zangetsu (spirit) page to manga cannon info. It is far more workable than the combined article, imo. 22:47, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

You know, I've been against integrating canon information with the articles, but I won't fight it any longer. I'd rather expand on Zangetsu's current article than merge it with Hollow Ichigo's. I know they're one and the same, but for some reason, I feel that putting it in Hollow Ichigo's page can complicate it a bit. If we expand Zangetsu's, then we have to do so on Hyorinmaru's and Zabimaru's as well. Admittingly, no, they would not be as lengthy as Zangetsu's but I feel we should apply the same treatment. But, unlike Zangetsu, they don't have the same appearances in the Zanpakuto Unknown Tales arc, so we'd have to find different shots of Baboon/Snake Zabimaru and Ice Dragon Hyorinmaru, which I have absolutely no problem with whatsoever. In relation to this, expanding on Zangetsu's article wouldn't be a bad idea, and we can expand a bit more on Zabimaru and Hyorinmaru's articles as well. Hyorinmaru would receive a "History" section, Zabimaru would have the Soul Society arc in his "Plot" section, and they'd both get an "Appearances in Other Media" section (as they both appeared on the Bleach movies). Zabimaru's article would be a bit more complicated to work out, but we can think of something.

Anyway, getting back to Zangetsu, his "Personality" section could be expanded greatly, as well as his own individual roles in the "Plot" section and, in addition to the powers we have listed, we can also add onto the Powers section with what was seen in the latest arc in the manga. So, I actually see some benefits in this.

In short, I am against merging Hollow Ichigo and Zangetsu together, but I support merging Zangetsu's manga information with the current Spirit article, provided that we do the same with Zabimaru and Hyorinmaru. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  23:54, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

I can agree upon this course of expanding the zangetsu (spirit) page with info and creating the same with zabimaru and hyorinmaru. --<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  00:02, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Votes Tie Break
Tie break needed for Bleach Wiki:Featured Picture. Do we want Image:AizenHollowLikeForm.png or Image:Become Getsuga.png? I go for "Become Getsuga.png". Also, for the quotes: since nobody voted inside the allowed time-frame for the vote, but 5 people voted today, should we allow those that are from eligible users to stand, or should we discount all votes and treat it as a tie? 21:42, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

I vote for the Getsuga pic, I say allow only the eligible votes to stand for the quotes and there seems to be a tie as well on article vote as one of the voters wasn't eligible leaving two picks. Seeing as thats the case id pick byakuya. --<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  21:49, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

I vote Byakuya too for feat article. 22:27, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

I vote Byakuya as the featured article and Getsuga as well. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  23:29, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Belated Feat. Votes
Bleach Wiki:Featured Article is a tie between Aizen & Sui-fon. I vote Sui-fon. 22:06, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

I also vote for Su-feng. --<font color="00A693" size="2px">Salubri <font color="FFFFFF" size="2px">(Talk)  23:35, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

I vote for Sui-Feng as well. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  05:08, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

January Feat Votes
Bleach Wiki:Featured Article is a tie between Yoruichi and Orihime. 23:03, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

I vote for Yoruichi as the Featured Article. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  23:06, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

I also vote for Yoruichi.--<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  23:57, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so Yoruichi wins. Its tended to be me that has done it lately, but I'm doing work on Rukia's article right now, so dont have time for writing the feature, so could someone else take care of that please? I think that we could do with putting in place a claim system like in the project pages for writing these features so we know that they are being looked after, as its the 5th now. 22:08, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'll take that up. I was actually looking for a manga pic to use, and now that I know where it is, I feel I can take it up, but I won't be able to get it started until tonight. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  20:18, January 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. 11:08, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

March's Features
Tie breaks required again. File:Ichigofullbring.png or File:LastSightOfGinsEyes.jpg for feat. pic. I'm finding it hard to pick between the two, but since we already had Image:Matsumoto finds Gin dying.png featured, I'm going for Ichigofullbring. We also have a tie between Aizen and Ichimaru for feat. article. I don't think that 2nd vote for Aizen should be counted. The user meets the criteria, but I don't see any real reason in there. So I go with Gin. 00:09, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

It's actually been pretty close and I had a hard time deciding since they're both done so well and been updated within the last few episodes, but I'm going to have to vote for Ichimaru's article. And as for pics, I'm going to vote for Ichigofullbring.png as well. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  13:44, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

I actually looked at this and I vote for the ichigo full bring, Besides the issue of not saying much of anything about the article. I find that in actuality the user doesn't meet the criteria while having been on for a while the users contributions go from nov, dec to feb. Even with feb she has no work in jan which is required making her ineligible. So Im going with Gin as well but it is technically ultimately gin.--<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  15:13, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

P&S Committee Nomination: SunXia
The Policy & Standards Committee has voted on and accepted SunXia as a new member and now requires admin approval. 15:30, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think she'd be a great addition to the Committee. Well versed in the sites policies and always very helpful with the projects and anything that crops up. 15:30, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Like many others in the Committee already said, I think this is long overdue. She's shown a good initiative with the various projects around the Wiki, and she follows the policies very well. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  22:56, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I would have to agree if there is gonna be a new member she should be it. I feel that she not only has been on the site for a good long time but her edits are never in question and she knows the policies and if not for her we wouldn't have some of the quality pictures that we have now. --<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  07:52, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Committee Nomination
Godisme has informed me that SunXia and himself have agreed that IamJakuhoRaikoben should be added to the committee. 20:41, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) I support this. IamJakuhoRaikoben has been on very regularly, is vigilant & helpful against vandalism/other problems, has been helping out with the anime summary project. Has done good work and looks to be very trustworthy.  20:41, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) I will back the nominations for the same reason.--<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri  <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  23:28, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) Nothing more needs to be said. He's been very helpful in article improvement and keeping the site in order. He's got my vote. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  05:33, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

Committee Nomination - Ten Tailed Fox
The P&S Committee seems to be in favor of making Ten Tailed Fox part of the Committee, and I was requested to go ahead and start up our votes regarding him. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  16:25, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) I'm going to remain neutral about this for now. I think he still may have some problems following our policies and may need more time to be able to follow them to the same extent as people we've had on the Committee already, but I do admit that he's getting better at following them. Still, he hasn't been around too much lately, other than when a new chapter is released, so it still makes it hard for me to judge him properly of whether or not he's right for the job. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  16:25, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Generally a good user who does good quality work around the site, has helped with different projects and such. He has a lot of good things going for him. The main problem (maybe that's too strong a word) I have is how active he is, but then again Nwang is only on one or two days a week typically and has been a long standing member of the Committee despite that, doing much great work. Ten was very active throughout August and at the start of September, but that seems to have trailed off a bit in the last couple of weeks. I wouldn't like to judge on just a two week 'gap' being a pattern rather than just a once off, tough. If he is around and committed I would support him. So I guess I'm waiting to see if he is more active in the next couple of weeks... 19:24, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well as you would probably guess i feel the same about the active issue. I hadn't seen him on doing anything in a while and its lead me to believe that he may not be too serious with putting effort into being on the committee if he cant be bothered to do whats required. I also dont know his understanding of the policies and making sure that they are in fact implemented by not only himself but others. I will remain neutral and reserve the judgement for a couple more weeks. --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  04:39, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Committee Nomination - Lemursrule
The P&S Committee seems to be in favor of making Lemursrule part of the Committee, and I was requested to go ahead and start up our votes regarding him.--<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  04:17, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * She's around regularly, communicates very well and friendly with other users, she would be a good asset to the Committee imo. 21:01, January 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * She's a regular and she knows how things are done around here, not to mention a helpful user. I think she would be a good addition to the Committee. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  21:45, January 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * She is a regular, she communicates with others and is commonly friendly. She is versed in the policies of the site so I think she would be a good addition to the committee. --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  22:30, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

New Stuff
Just some changes to the main page and so forth to go over as a possibility. Was thinking that we may make the quote a weekly thing rather then monthly. There is a large amount of quotes on the site to provide for this. We can feature a "Did you know section" basically showcasing trivia but nothing like maybe be defined things. Like Yamamoto has been captain-commander for over 1000 years. At least 5 can be featured. I also thought that it maybe time to reach out to the other language bleach wiki's. I know the possible issue it could bring but they basically follow our lead anyhow, on material from what i can gather. --<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  05:20, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Did you know section is a good idea. I'll go along with that. What did you have in mind with the other language versions of the site? 14:45, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Something simple like a outreach program kind of, you know we definitely need to have some ties to the japanese but others as well. Just simply have us acknowledge each other nothing crazy. --<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  16:17, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea. The Quote of the Week thing may not fly right away, but we might be able to make it work. Reaching out to the other language wikis could be a bit tricky, but doable. We already link to them on the articles, so linking to them on the main page would work too. Other than this, did you have anything else in mind regarding it? <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  16:51, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Not really just officially acknowledging them. --<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  16:59, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Translation Issues
It seems though we have a significant problem on are hands. Translation is a big issue to a site such as ours because the content is largely all based on another language. A language the vast majority of us cant translate. Now its come to my attention that although Adam has been somewhat inconsistent in the past he is down right gone. That is unless he is given another reason. He seems to have come back at a period but has made no acknowledgements that he is here or working on anything. The translation corner is getting back up with translation requests that I personally dont think will ever get translated. Basically what im saying is that we seem to have fallen into a situation where we have no translator at a time when we definitely need one. To make the problem worse is that we have users in multitude placing the translated information onto the site. I for one dont take anything from Bleach Asylum or various other outlets of highly questionable credibility. Though I hate to say it we can either find a credible site or we can find a credible translator from somewhere. We are in a situation where we need someone sooner rather then later. --<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  05:34, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

As the other translator on the corner, I've left a message with MarqFJA to see if he's still around. Didn't Tinni use some contact of hers to clear up a translation problem a while ago? I believe it was something to do with Yamamoto calling Ukitake & Shunsui the strongest pairing. Can't remember clearly but I think they were a group or individual that provided spoilers. Also, I started coming here just as his activity was going down, but I seem to remember that Whitestrike did some translating, no? 21:58, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Upgrades
Once again its time for some upgrades to the site. Is there anything new that other sites use that you would like to see possibly implemented here.--<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  03:26, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

First, apologies for my rather sporadic activity the past week or so. I think I should be back to normal on Friday. The new table's you've been doing are a very good idea. I haven't been looking around other wikis a whole lot lately due to time constraints and losing interest a little, but I'll have a look around over the coming weekend and see if there is anything out there that would be useful here. 18:24, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Couple of interesting things that I've seen around. Worth looking at at least. I'll keep looking around 17:10, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) On Reborn Wiki, they have a thing in their infoboxes that allows then to put two pictures in, one for before and after a time skip. See example here. It looks complicated and might be a pain to implement (code), but if it could be used it would be useful here for showing the differences in some characters from the time skip (or Mayuri's changing faces) etc.
 * 2) Salubri mentioned at the top of this page about reaching out to the other language Bleach Wikis. How does this on Fallout Wiki seem to you guys (bottom of page)? If we did it, it could link to the Bleach Answers wiki, (maybe the fanon wiki if they were kind enough to do the same on their main page?).
 * 3) A few wikis have a "on this day" type thing on their main page or wikia activity page. Typically note things like character (or editor) birthdates, important in story dates, author's birthday. We get asked about character birthdays an awful lot on the answers wiki and that would be a way of meeting that demand. I'm considering putting something like that on the answer wiki's main page to cut down on it, as it is really annoying.


 * I thought about it and looking at the page lengths Im thinking the character articles can be supplemented with the tab at the top method. I would mean stuff like the appearance in other media, relationships, Trivia and Quotes. Also I was thinking of implementing that for the Kido page as well. What are your thoughts. --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  19:27, January 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * It might be a good idea. I can see this working with the main Kido page as well, since certain games and movies have unique Kido spells/devices, so it would work there. Relationship pages I feel very neutral about (as in, whether or not we need them), since only very few characters actually have the section listed. In that sense, we should try to make it a point to expand that with other characters. Not top priority, but at some point, we should try to expand it on other character pages as well. This could also help expand the Plot on certain movie sections of these characters' pages too, since a few concerns have been brought up about this some time ago, but the structure of that particular tab itself would require deeper discussion before we put it into action. I also entertained the thought of adding the Battles & Events sections to the tabs as well, but I think it would do better on the main character page. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  20:14, January 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ill work it out on the Kido page and possibly Ichigo's page so you can see what I mean and then we can decide from there. --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  20:25, January 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * I like the changes to the kido page a lot. Very well done. And the tabs are a good way to bring in a link to the image gallery. I came across something else that might be useful. On Stargate Wiki when you create a page there are preloaded basic layouts of pages. That would be good for creating basic pages for the new episodes & chapters every week. The templates for it can be seen in this category and this special page 21:40, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Character Statuses
God recently brought character statuses back to my attention and proposes that we should take off character statuses from character lists and perhaps tables as well. I know we already took character statuses off of the character infoboxes, as well as removed the "Deceased" category, so this would probably be the last step without changing the "Plot" sections of the articles. I know we have some history of edit wars regarding these listed statuses, so it's something we probably should discuss. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  03:59, January 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I already stated my stance on that where God initially posted it. Being against such an action for numerous reasons. Most importantly the character articles themselves dont address death except for the lesser popular characters. So in no way can you say that character is dead even from reading the article, so how does anyone know. The use of status is a mainstay of every other decent movie/tv/book/manga/anime site without incident and i already removed the status off character pages. I feel no need to cave to minority outside pressure because users here cant be bothered to revert vandalism. As I said originally by that notion we should make similar changes to the background color, policies. The fact is the pages that have status can be easily locked they are rarely edited regardless. --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  05:10, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Disabling the RTE
Proposal to disable the Rich Text Editor at Forum:Disabling the RTE. Could use admin input. 19:05, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Come on guys, this really should be addressed. 14:29, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) I suppose that I would be for the disabling if it causes that much of an issue.--<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri  <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  14:33, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) If it causes more problems than if fixes (assuming it has ever fixed any problems), then I'm all for disabling it. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  17:17, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Feature Vote Tie
Tie in votes for featured article between Yukio Hans Vorarlberna and Zennosuke Kurumadani. Tie break vote needed. 14:29, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yukio. 11:07, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yukio. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  19:44, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Article
I don't count the second vote for Yamamoto as it doesn't say anything about the article, so tie in votes for featured article between Izuru Kira, Kirge Opie and Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto. Tie break vote needed. 10:46, April 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yamamoto, hands down. His article is organized, well-referenced, and up-to-date. Definitely had enough work put into it to be this month's featured article. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  11:05, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yamamoto as well. Detailed without being full of padding, well structured and referenced. 10:29, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yamamoto would be my article choice of choice as well.--

Image
Also need a tie break between these two images 10:49, April 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Urahara and company arriving in Hueco Mundo. Can see what is happening in the picture much better. Hard to tell the Arrancar are in the other picture unless you enlarge it. 10:29, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Urahara and company defiantly the pic is just far easier to see.--
 * Urahara and company. Image is easier to see than Kirge's. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  19:44, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Committee Nomination - Glass Heart
Glass Heart has been nominated for the Committee and has received support from the current members. 19:46, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) - She seems to done quite a lot of work since joining the site in February and it is of good quality with little to no problems with it. I don't believe I've had any interaction with her, but from what I've seen she seems to get on well with other users and has helped with a variety of things from the timeline project to images to general editing and maintenance.  19:46, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) - Agreed. She's done a lot of contributions, interacts well with others, and is familiar with our policies. She's got my support. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  20:27, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) - Agreed. She has done alot in the way of contributions on the site as well as becoming familiar with the policies. She has done good work on the hardest editing to do in the Fight Summary Unit. I give her my support.--

August Feature Tie Break
Tie Break vote needed for Featured Picture 11:24, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

While the other one is more topical right now, I prefer As Nodt attacking Byakuya 15:29, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Ill go with Kenpachi.--

I'm going with Kenpachi as well. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  18:30, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Committee Votes: 2 additions
Mohrpheus and KuroAshi98 have both been put forward for the P&S Committee with support from four of the five current members (Sun currently being absent). Admin vote needed on them. I see no reason not to add Mohrpheus now that he seems to be back full time since he was previously a member. KuroAshi98 has done a fair bit in their time here and has plenty of work on images. Seems very competent at adding new info too, including larger edits all while following policy Seems a nice approachable person too which is good. So, I support both. 21:48, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

- They're both very familiar with our policies and have contributed a lot to this site regularly. I think they'd be good additions to the Committee. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  02:51, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

- They both are familiar with the policies of the site and contribute considerably as well are regular users. Being made members of the committee would be fine.--

Feat. Article Tie Break
Need a tie break vote on the Featured Article between Renji Abarai and Kon. 11:07, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) for Renji Abarai. While I would quite like for Kon to be featured, the article is not in great shape. I did a fair bit of work to it before the vote closed but the Gotei13 arc section is in need of a lot more work imo and consequently I would not be satisfied with it being featured until that is sorted.  11:07, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) for Renji Abarai. For all the obvious reasons.--
 * 3) Renji Abarai. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  14:48, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Feb Features
Tie break needed for Featured picture (options to either side). Also need somewhere to add picture on the new main page design. It was previously part of the quote template, but no longer. Also, technically speaking Unohana should not be this month's feature as she was featured recently (I mustn't have noticed when I was putting up list). Rules are that it should not be featured again for 6 months minimum. Don't know if you guys think we should take her off, which would leave Kenpachi as correct feature article. If I had been aware of it at time I would have done so but not sure it is worth doing now. 13:44, February 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * There should be more discussion on this before we can even come up with any vote.--

Committee Vote:Xilinoc
Xilinoc has both been put forward for the P&S Committee with support from six of the seven current members (Kuro is currently absent). Admin vote needed on them. I personally thought that Xilinoc has been exemplary of whats required for a committee member. He is very competent at grammar corner work, he doesnt infringe on any policies and works well with others.--


 * 1) I support him. --
 * 2) I support the conversation killer. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  06:08, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) While I don't believe I have interacted with them, Xilinoc appears to be an excellent candidate, has done great work on grammar corner and tidying up/refining articles, is familiar with policies and has been more active in improving the wiki's articles than most users in recent months. I fully support adding Xilinoc.  15:47, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Committee Vote: Kamikaze839
Kamikaze839 has both been put forward for the P&S Committee with support from six of the eight current members (Nwang is abstaining, and Sun for whatever reason is opposed). Admin vote needed on him. I personally thought that Kami has been exemplary of whats required for a committee member. He is very competent at grammar corner work, he doesnt infringe on any policies and works well with others.--


 * 1) I don't see why not. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  04:18, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) While I would prefer if (s)he had been around a little longer before applying, I see no reason not to support.  12:32, February 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) While I would prefer if (s)he had been around a little longer before applying, I see no reason not to support.  12:32, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Affiliation Requests
We have outstanding requests for affiliation that should be addressed, mainly the Mai Otome Wiki and Onepunch Man Wiki. 11:10, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Committee Vote: Schiffy
So a little while ago Schiffy put himself up for membership in the committee. The committee response had him split 50-50 as two people abstained from voting two people were for and suffice to say two people were against (but then it became clear there was no clear understanding of how this voting process was supposed to work and the ones against him were not done according to the rules). So Arrancar109 and myself had a conversation and let him just sit back and continue doing more editing. Suffice to say that he has stepped up his editing and help on projects. So its obviously time to just get to the admin vote at this point.--


 * Active, helps with project work, follows the rules, gives warnings to those that don't in a good manner, seems good. 16:04, September 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * He's contributed a lot since he's joined, enforcing and following the rules here, and helping out with various projects. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  16:37, September 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * I tend to agree as I stated above, he has more then stepped up and done what he was supposed to do, when others werent sure he would. He has done everything that is required of a prospect.--

Feature Vote Tie-Break
Please see here and here. Tie break votes needed. 12:34, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Image

 * 1) Faster Than a Speeding Bullet  12:34, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) Faster Than a Speeding Bullet--

Quote

 * 1) A Futile Effort  12:34, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) A Futile Effort--

Just a heads up on Fluid changes
Just a heads up on Fluid changes: Click here for details. 18:37, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Featured Quote - Tie Break
Bleach Wiki:Featured Quote requires a tie break. 12:57, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

Komamura: I Have A Duty

Vengeful Beast
 * 1) Since Komamura talking about his loyalty to Yamamoto is not something new, I favour this one.  12:57, December 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) I will go with this.--
 * 3) Agree with you guys. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  19:25, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

Featured Page Tie Break
The Featured Article is a tie break between Yhwach and Jugram Haschwalth. So, tiebreak vote. 22:04, February 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Bump 22:23, February 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, given the amount of time that has passed, at this point I'm going to call time on it and post Yhwach as featured page. 17:12, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Yhwach:
 * 1) Both decent, but need to pick one  22:23, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Haschwalth

May Featured Quote - Tie Break
Tie break vote needed between Byakuya's quote about Rukia becoming stronger and As Nodt's quote about fear. 10:00, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Fear:
 * 1)   10:00, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * 2)  <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  10:18, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Byakuya/Rukia:

July Featured Article - Tiebreaker
Due to how few users voted this month, we've ended up with a tie on the Featured Article discussion, and Sal's given me permission to be the one to ask you guys to break said tie this time. The tie comes down to Gremmy Thoumeaux and Ichigo Kurosaki vs. Candice Catnipp.--Xilinoc (talk) 03:33, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

Gremmy:
 * 1)   13:51, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * 2)  <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  17:37, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * 1)  <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  17:37, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

Ichigo vs. Candice:

August Featured Quote - Tiebreaker
Alright, so we have here before us a dilemma. We got three votes for the Featured Quote this month, each for a different quote, so I'm not quite sure how this'll work out if all three of you like a different one, but here goes.--Xilinoc (talk) 05:39, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

You And Me

The Feeling Of Defeat
 * 1) I'm going with this one. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  08:28, August 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) Somewhat better than the let's get stronger and Im stronger than you quotes, imo.  12:00, August 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) I guess if i got to pick one.--

Weaker Than Me

October Featured Quote - Tie Breaker
Alright, we've got another quotes tie to break. Here are the options from here.--Xilinoc (talk) 19:35, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Mayuri's Dream

Surpassing Urahara

Mayuri's Despair
 * 1) Going with this one. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  09:03, October 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) ditto,  10:11, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

New Committee Candidates: Admin Approval
User:FutureQuincy and User:Naruto 45 have nominated themselves for the P&S Cmte, receiving the support of the current three members. I am also in favour of adding both. You guys? 12:45, December 4, 2015 (UTC)

- I'm in support of this. They have a firm grip of how things are run around here, and have even taken it upon themselves to explain the rules to some of the newer users, in addition to their edits. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  14:45, December 4, 2015 (UTC)

- I Support both of these nominees. They have proven themselves dedicated editors to the sites content. They are also very proactive and have been extremely helpful.--

Translation Corner Revival Nomination
So recently, I offered up a candidate for the Translation Corner, and sent it through a P&S Committee vote here. I would just like some administrative input on the matter before I contact him. For further reference, the conversation I had with Andy leading up to this nomination can be found here.


 * While I have no experience with this user or his work, whats written on the P&S page sounds very positive and welcome and I really think we should take this opportunity. We badly need a translator to get the corner back up and running again, and the fact that he seems willing to explain the translations in a bit of depth where needed is very valuable. It gives everyone a better understanding of what is going on in contentious issues or where there is multiple possible versions and means anyone challenging a translation can be given a proper reason why it is this instead of their preference. 22:26, March 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * Well I suppose we can give him a try see how his translations go and if they work for the site.--


 * I meant to respond to this sooner, but Schiffy went ahead with it anyway (but, to be fair, we did have a week to respond sooner). Since Schiffy has experience with him anyway, and we need some focus on our Translation Corner anyway, I think it couldn't hurt to give him a shot. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  09:40, March 11, 2016 (UTC)