Bleach Wiki:Chat/June 14, 2012

 [11:43]  idk what kids you know, that are allowed to act that way [11:43]  No, that's being a total ass, so to speak. [11:43]  Because unfortunately, both children and adults do that [11:43]  i never did that, i dont even know anyone that did that [11:43]  i remember whenever i cursed out of my parents earshot i was sooooooo guilty [11:43]  thats the new parenting that allows that [11:44]  and all this "please please please please please" is the same as temperin [11:44]  The children either learn it from their parents, or develop that attitude because of the parents' failure to reprimand them for learning and using it elsewhere [11:44]  ^ [11:45]  when i was working in a school, a child threw another's shoes onto the roof when asked why he just shrugged then went "i want to be grown up and go get it" [11:45]  That doesnt make it the definition of being a kid, thats a kid not raised correctly [11:45]  lol [11:45]  XD [11:46]  cheesey but like mofasa said in Disney about the brave thing, you dont be an adult by mucking things up so you can then sort them out [11:46]  "I'm gonna bully this kid so I can man up and apologize later!" [11:46] <Achrones150> XD [11:46] <Salubri> yea that doesnt work either [11:46] <SunXia> the best kids are the ones that just accept they are young and enjoy their life and have respect [11:46] <Achrones150> Oh, that's hilarious. [11:47] <SunXia> whenever i am in a classroom i give a lot of attention to the quiet kids that arent the best at their work but are the best at being respectful [11:48] <Salubri> yea gotta take care of those kids too [11:48] <Salubri> so they can come out their shell a bit [11:48] <SunXia> i had an argument with this "teacher" who had this "time out chair" which was good in theory but she used it incorrectly, the kids were just hitting other and sitting down in it because it had a teddy bear they could play with [11:49] <Achrones150> XD [11:49] <Salubri> haha [11:49] <SunXia> saying that she was an awful teacher she stole my stuff one time [11:49] <Salubri> wow [11:49] <Achrones150> Was it your PB and J sandwich? [11:49] <SunXia> was teaching the kids with my aterial when i was sick and didnt expect me to walk in [11:50] <Salubri> busted [11:50] <Salubri> Ichigo was obviously a bad kid, no manners, no respect, we can blame Isshin for that type of parenting. [11:50] <Achrones150> Isshin is the best parent ever. [11:50] <SunXia> indeed [11:50] <Achrones150> XD [11:50] <SunXia> no he isnt [11:51] <Mohrpheus> He was fine before Masaki died. I think. [11:51] <SunXia> he gets punched by his daughters [11:51] <Achrones150> In a hilarious manner. [11:51] <SunXia> in real life they would be very messed up kids [11:51] <Salubri> yea well lets see he basically took his kids childhood from them so they have to fend for themselves like adults [11:51] <Achrones150> 'Sides, he acts stupid, too. So the kids have to knock some sense into him. [11:52] <SunXia> yeah allowed ichigo to go years blaming himself for his mother's death thats whacked [11:52] <Salubri> If you dont see how backwards that is i dont know what to tell you. The roles are reversed because he is really bad father. If Masaki was alive they would have been better off [11:52] <Achrones150> I would love a kid that would scold me for being stupid as much as I would to them. [11:53] <Salubri> wow [11:53] <SunXia> well if you brought up a child to do that, then you would end up with one of those kids who bring a gun to school [11:53] <Achrones150> "Dad, put your seatbelt on before you get pulled over!" [11:53] <SunXia> you have to raise them correctly before that balance of scolding over silliness can happen [11:53] <SunXia> wow a dad that breaks the law... [11:54] <Salubri> as an adult your supposed to be more responsible then that [11:54] <SunXia> you are supposed to ensure your children know what taking responsibility for their actions is [11:55] <SunXia> refusing to do so ends up with teen moms [11:55] <SunXia> and dads [11:55] <SunXia> and kids with crime records [11:56] <Salubri> true [11:58] <Achrones150> Wonder if there was ever a kid who one day wrote on their assignment paper, "When I grow up, I wanna be a bonafied gangster." [11:59] <SunXia> what a wasteful existence [11:59] <Salubri> Well it appealing to what they are around or see, then its possible they did but i doubt it was a paper but more likely a simple statement [12:00] <Salubri> Its weird Ichigo, Uryu, Orihime and Chad all have absent parents. Its kind of odd that these teens have no parental supervision at all. Ichigo only has Isshin (worst father of the year), Uryu only has Ryuken apparently (worst father of the year), Orihime had horrible parents and now lives alone in an apartment getting sent money by an aunt, and Chad lives alone with no parents mentioned. [12:00] <SunXia> yeah illegal much 15 year olds on their own... [12:01] <Achrones150> Nah, they were good dads. [12:01] <Achrones150> 'Cept for Orihime and Chad. :&lt; [12:01] <Salubri> yea isshin is idk where he is most of the time the clinic i guess, and Ryuken runs a whole hospital which i guess he cares more about then anything [12:01] <SunXia> they lied to their sons their entire lives and let them go to spiritual planes where even travelling there can easily kill you [12:02] <Salubri> No they actually stated they were probably the worst dads when they met up a bit after Isshins powers came back [12:02] <Achrones150> But it didn't. o: [12:02] <SunXia> so?? [12:02] <Achrones150> Of course, that may have been due to the plot shield. [12:03] <SunXia> well kubo is very unrealistic before even getting to the supernatural but even then he cant be true to his characters, i know for one that tatsuki would not respond to near death by letting it go she would train for that [12:04] <Achrones150> Maybe she got so scared that she put it in the back of her head. [12:04] <Mohrpheus> Tatsuki is all talk [12:04] <Salubri> Orihime is all emotions [12:04] <SunXia> i dont think someone who fights at a national level would be all talk [12:04] <Salubri> Chad is all strength, Uryu is all intellect [12:05] <Mohrpheus> Ichigo is all Getsuga [12:05] <SunXia> she wanted to protect orihime and protected her from bullies thats not all talk [12:05] <Achrones150> TENSHO. [12:05] <SunXia> keigo, he is all talk [12:05] <Salubri> well actually he is only all getsuga when he use the final getsuga tensho [12:05] <Mohrpheus> XD [12:05] <Mohrpheus> Mizuiro is cool though. He beat Aizen. [12:06] <Achrones150> Was Mizuiro that wierd guy who goes "Bwahaha"? [12:06] <Mohrpheus> With an improvised explosive. Because that's what really won that whole thing. [12:06] <SunXia> was that buzzbee article cleared?? [12:06] <Salubri> I really wish Kubo wrote on the level of FMA:B can you even begin to imagine how sick the story would be in bleach then [12:06] <SunXia> is he confirmed to be him?? [12:07] <Achrones150> It didn't even work! Lol [12:07] <Mohrpheus> Well, it looks like the article is vague enough [12:08] <Mohrpheus> All we know is that he's the one who Izuru'd Izuru and facepalmed those dudes [12:09] <Achrones150> Wait. Literally facepalming? [12:09] <SunXia> theres an appearance section thats very....silly [12:09] <Achrones150> Facepalm &gt; Getsuga Tensho. [12:09] <Salubri> speaking of work, Sun where are my gifs? [12:10] <Mohrpheus> It looks like he's the one with the mohawk though. The panel succession leads directly to him pulling down his hood after killing Riku [12:12] <Mohrpheus> - [12:12] <Achrones150> I just ate a donut. [12:12] <Achrones150> Now I feel awesome. [12:13] <SunXia> did i not upload them?? i remember i did so many before surgery because i knew something would go wrong and result in pain and drugs and concentration levels being the pits and it ended up worse than expected [12:13] <SunXia> looking at the lidt and i think i have most of them [12:14] <SunXia> i will need to go through each one on the list [12:14] <SunXia> [12:14] <SunXia> thats there [12:15] <SunXia> odd Rukia's one aint there definitely have it on file on my pc though [12:15] <SunXia> definitely did nemus one i will look up now [12:16] <Salubri> i am missing some i know that [12:16] <SunXia> actually oops [12:17] <SunXia> thats needs listed in her image gallery then [12:18] <Salubri> Ill look and leave something on your talk page and then you let me know if you did them or not [12:19] <SunXia> yeah was about to suggest that and will do what i can i took a bad turn last week so i literally lie down with laptop beside me at the min, typos are so frequent at minute its embarassing [12:20] <SunXia> i remember having hard time with Takaoni because all he did was appear above him and say the words [12:20] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> Well that's done with [12:20] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> Back. [12:20] <Achrones150> Oh gawd. [12:20] <SunXia> i really miss tinni and her gifs they were so beter than mine [12:20] <SunXia> hey kotsu [12:20] <Achrones150> He's going to eat my soul. [12:20] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> Had a vandal. [12:20] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> Sactage got him. [12:21] <SunXia> he was persistant the IP was blocked y 10X first time [12:21] <Achrones150> Someone must not have much of a life. Lol. [12:22] <SunXia> i pity people who need attention that way they were raised wrongly [12:22] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> Yeah [12:22] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> That was one fail of a troll [12:22] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> he couldn't spell right [12:23] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> Still trying to find out what "siuck" and "jaclkass" are [12:23] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> Lol [12:23] <Achrones150> "jackalass"? [12:23] <Achrones150> I just made a new word. [12:23] <Achrones150> Lol. [12:26] <SunXia> oh when did it get so late lol [12:26] <SunXia> happens all time where just get in depth convos [12:27] <Achrones150> im in ur society, takin ur bankaiz" [12:30] <SunXia> i feel like mine has already been taken [12:31] <Achrones150> wut. [12:31] <Salubri> That should be all them Sun [12:34] <SunXia> what should i do about takaoni [12:38] <Salubri> well if its wasnt really visible as a technique then leave it be, i wont sweat it [12:39] <SunXia> then that should be fine might take me longer than usual but theres no real typing involved and at the moment we know i fail at that [12:40] <SunXia> be fun to actually feel like im doing something [12:40] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> I'm writing a story :3 [12:41] <Achrones150> o: Orly. [12:41] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> Yeah [12:41] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> I love to write ^-^ [12:42] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> I'm inspired by Game of Thrones, I've started reading it and it's excellent [12:42] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> My mom says I must be brilliant to read that book at my age [12:42] <SunXia> lol writing stories is fun [12:42] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> It really is ^-^ [12:53] <SunXia> i need a vanity case to hide away my make up my nephew is obsessed with ir [12:53] <SunXia> *it [12:56] <Salubri> what he need make up for [12:57] <SunXia> hes sort of in that phase [12:57] <Salubri> what phase is that [12:57] <SunXia> hes 3 now and his dad passed away when he was two so hes copying women [12:57] <Salubri> ooohhh [12:58] <SunXia> yeah "glitter is my favorite color" or "oh shoes, i love pink shoes" [12:59] <Salubri> wow so he doesnt have like an uncle or something [12:59] <SunXia> he walked into my brother's room twirling when he put on my pink dressing gown, made it look like i was a long noble kimono [01:02] <SunXia> he does and he plays basketball too but hes just very into girly stuff as well, hes just a tad camp started with when the day after his dad died i took him to see disney on ice, loved toy story so he did, that had ariel little mermaid in it and it was beautiful but made an impression on him with beautiful things [01:04] <Salubri> humm well i have a degree in psych but i wouldnt be able to tell whats up with that, not really into child psych but relationships im good at [01:07] <SunXia> well his dad was...depressed and it caused a lot of strain and stuff so he would be gone at times and well obviously hes very close to me and his mom, my older brother works alot when hes visiting and the younger brother well hes not a big fan of kids thought hes starting to play with him more now [01:10] <SunXia> hes always been slightly eccentric which is funny because his little sister isnt like when he was that age he was all into his music and dancing where as shes like a boy climbing on everything [01:11] <SunXia> he'll be starting an all-boys school soon so i hope he doesnt still have hid glitter love so i think i should hide the cosmetics and show him video games lol [01:13] <SunXia> he did enjoy watching bleach when he saw me watching it but called Ichigo by my ginger brother's name lol [01:13] <Salubri> lol [01:15] <Salubri> well its probably a quick passing phase, otherwise, well it may end up being something else you and your family might have to be ready for. 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[01:17] <Desboy96> I come in peace o3o [01:17] <Desboy96> Is SunXia here [01:17] <Desboy96> I just have one itsy bitsy question [01:17] <SunXia> but like you said earlier i'd love for him to go to college hes so smart, he still remembers the last thing he did with his dad and grandfather they went to the museum and he remembers, although only just turned two at the time, the hospital where his sister was born, asked me if i had a baby when was in hospital [01:17] <SunXia> pm me [01:18] <SunXia> but yeah i wont mind if it goes that way and he doesnt grow out of this phase i just hope my brothers can accept it if it does happen [01:20] <SunXia> everytime he'd meet strangers theyd never believe he was only 2 at the time [01:20] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> GTG [01:20] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> Bye everyone o/ [01:20] <SunXia> bye Kotsu!!! [01:20] <Salubri> bye [01:20] <Dark Seeker Kotsu> Have a good night all [01:21] <SunXia> lol that other user was lookin for me on Community central keeps asking for things about gifs lol [01:21] <Salubri> yea sometimes its copying and others well, not all boys that are into that are automatically in that area but its so complicated you just never know what your gonna get [01:23] <SunXia> hopefully hes just happy i know kids can be cruel and he will be at an all-boys catholic school as a kid [01:24] <SunXia> but psych eh?? sounds interesting if demanding [01:28] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [01:28] <Salubri> well it is what it is [01:29] <Salubri> i mean ive always been good with relationship issues and what not so it was natural course of study [01:30] <Salubri> its so wide in ways to approach a subject though its hard to find a good footing on what you wanna follow and what you actually want to do [01:30] <SunXia> what area do you prefer?? [01:32] <Salubri> well i like the humanistic psych [01:33] <SunXia> is that practical or more research? [01:33] <Salubri> its basically about self, self-actualization, health, hope, love, creativity, nature, being, becoming, individuality, and meaning—that is, a concrete understanding of human existence [01:34] <SunXia> oh wow sounds really cool [01:34] <Salubri> Psych is separated into three approaches behaviorism, psychoanalysis and humanism [01:35] <Salubri> humanism being the third and most modern one [01:35] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [01:36] <SunXia> so like a revisionist way of looking at it or a completely new field compared to the other two? [01:36] <Salubri> umm [01:38] <SunXia> sorry i ask too many questions [01:38] <Salubri> its based on Existentialism and Eastern philosophies and judeo-christian philosophies [01:41] <Salubri> It is summed up by five points. 1) Human beings, as human, supersede the sum of their parts. They cannot be reduced to components. 2) Human beings have their existence in a uniquely human context, as well as in a cosmic ecology. 3) Human beings are aware and aware of being aware—i.e., they are conscious. Human consciousness always includes an awareness of oneself in the context of other people. 4) Human beings have some choice and, with that, responsibility. 5) Human beings are intentional, aim at goals, are aware that they cause future events, and seek meaning, value, and creativity. [01:43] <SunXia> that last point reminds me of something 7of9 said in Voyager one time "May she reach all her goals in life except one, so she will always have something to strive towards/live for" or something like that but yeah wow sounds like a nice topic to explore [01:44] <SunXia> we had this teacher who taught us Catholicism and turned out to be a Buddhist, loved saying "drawninward" all time [01:44] <Salubri> yea its a positive position basically believes humans to be naturally good [01:46] <SunXia> yeah with the "i" being in the middle and how finding self-worth brings self esteem with it [01:47] <Salubri> it isnt wrong [01:47] <SunXia> oh yeah its very true [01:49] <SunXia> and it is something that is too much forgotten with today's culture and media [01:50] <Salubri> well what self-worth does anyone have now [01:52] <SunXia> well i honestly believe the most beautiful thing is somebody not ashamed be themselves, you know confident, not arrogant or brash [01:53] <Salubri> good luck finding someone like that [01:53] <SunXia> i know in todays society it is very difficult [01:58] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [01:58] <Desboy96> So Sorry Just one more question [01:58] <SunXia> but i do enjoy seeing little instances of it, like the duchess of cambridge, rich high society people are expected to constantly have a changing wardrobe but she wheres clothes multiple times and even borrows her mother's clothes, she's criticised in the media for it but she likes it and thats all that matters [01:58] <SunXia> oh shoot [01:58] <SunXia> i mine go ahed ask [02:01] <SunXia> aw bless him [02:02] <Salubri> huh [02:05] <SunXia> i do think the media focuses too heavily on the wrong type of role models [02:06] <Salubri> yea they dont seem to get that royalty has no interest in being the celebrities they want them to be. They pretty much killed diana trying to do that to her [02:08] <SunXia> yeah [02:09] <Salubri> Yoruichi always wears the same thing [02:09] <SunXia> what the unitard or the orange top?? [02:10] <SunXia> i hope they have lots of uniforms, not that health is a big thing in a fictional world but i dont like thinking my characters have bad hygiene [02:11] <SunXia> dont think i could be famous, i'd end up like michael jackson, wearing a mask i hate cameras [02:11] <Salubri> i better see yoruichi's zanpakuto [02:11] <Salubri> im thinking she gets clawed gauntlets [02:13] <SunXia> yeah yoruichi i want to know so much about her but shes really been ignored [02:14] <SunXia> i know shes supposed to be hand to hand combat bt they should have her with a zanpakuto [02:15] <Salubri> like i literally looked up japanese clans to figure out how they work. I didnt really find the exact way it works but from what i gather there is a main family with several vassals from lower ranked families. It would stand to reason she has a council of elders or steward standing in for her if she still doesnt run the family. I would prefer to know [02:15] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [02:16] <SunXia> yeah i wouldnt like to think her entire clan just went ape-sheep because she ran away [02:17] <SunXia> would be cool if thats where she was now given the current captaincies [02:19] <SunXia> i mean she taught orihime sado and ichigo so she still has a thing for mentoring [02:23] <SunXia> right well going to bed, or well in bed but logging off goodnight!! [03:13] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [03:20] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [03:26] <AmmyFang> .... [03:26] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [03:27] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> hello [03:27] <Arrancar109> Hi [03:27] <AmmyFang> hi [03:27] <Arrancar109> How's it going? [03:27] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> fine u [03:28] <Arrancar109> Pretty good. [03:28] <Arrancar109> Got a taste of what Bleach Answers is like though. [03:28] <Arrancar109> I can see why Godisme is annoyed by it. [03:28] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> ppl do ask some pretty stupid ??? [03:29] <Arrancar109> It's not so much as some of the questions as it is that some of the unregistered users answer (at least from my experience anyway). [03:29] <Arrancar109> Some of the questions though, yes. [03:30] <Arrancar109> Someone asked if two character were gay. [03:30] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> O_O [03:30] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> wow [03:30] <Arrancar109> Yeah. God's on there more than I am, so I know why he has a lot to complain about. [03:30] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> yup [03:31] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [03:31] <Arrancar109> Hey Sal. [03:31] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> hi sal [03:31] <Salubri> hey [03:31] <AmmyFang> hi [03:31] <Salubri> man arrancar u are late me, sun and morhp already ranted about this chapter to death [03:32] <Arrancar109> Yeah, I actually tried to avoid that. :p [03:32] <Arrancar109> I saw all the complaints I needed to on the blog post. [03:32] <Salubri> well they arent wrong [03:32] <Arrancar109> I do agree though. If Kubo plans to drag this out, depowering captains this early on isn't the way to do it. [03:33] <Salubri> i would like to say i have faith in kubo but i really havent been feeling the writing since before the fullbringers i honestly think he kind of been burnt out sense the end of the arrancar arc. [03:33] <Salubri> it happens alot to writers [03:34] <Arrancar109> Probably. [03:34] <Arrancar109> I can see some of the reason why he's doing it, but it still seems overkill. [03:34] <Salubri> dont get me wrong i do too [03:34] <Salubri> i just think there is a far better way to go about it [03:34] <Salubri> its so rushed [03:34] <Salubri> too early [03:35] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [03:35] <Salubri> plus he has a tendency of hyping stuff up and delivering something disappointing [03:35] <Arrancar109> Well, can't argue with that. [03:36] <Arrancar109> What I would have done differently is just subject one person to this. [03:36] <Arrancar109> And if captain, then Sui-Feng, since she hates her Bankai anyway. [03:37] <Arrancar109> But since Renji was already there, Kubo could have easily pawned off the sealing on him. [03:39] <Salubri> he is doing this with the royal guard. when all we know is that they protect the spirit king. so every jumps to the conclusion they must be super powerful. Well thats all speculation with no shred of proof. We know nothing about them, theyre just more new characters for us to deal with. Im not buying the kool aid though. I do know they are shinigami (kido, shunpo, hakuda and all plus shikai and bankai which the vandenriech happen to be stealing right now). Unless they are super upgraded and have zanpakuto that can manipulate time, create black holes or warp reality im not gonna be impressed. The way i see it the these guys dont see battle on the regular and what i do know is the secret service protects the president that doesnt make them better then the actual military just make them bodyguards. [03:40] <Arrancar109> Heh. You're echoing God's words now. [03:40] <Arrancar109> But I see what you're saying. [03:40] <Salubri> i just seeing us racing to these guys and for what. [03:41] <Salubri> we got enough to understand about the characters that already exist, now you wanna add more [03:41] <Arrancar109> A one-sided slaughter, a bad turn in the story, and probably an anti-climactic ending. [03:41] <Salubri> yea i guess we can only look forward to seeing bankai's cause i feel the rest of this im just gonna not like very much [03:42] <Arrancar109> I want to jump back to your theory for a second. [03:42] <Salubri> which one [03:42] <Arrancar109> The Bankai sealing one being related to Vollstandig. [03:43] <Salubri> oh [03:43] <Salubri> how it empowers that form [03:43] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [03:43] <Salubri> well the power would have to come from somewhere [03:43] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> *sigh* i still need to get back into reading bleach [03:43] <Arrancar109> You still think they can use it for that, or if they can use it for other things as well. [03:43] <Arrancar109> Oops. [03:43] <Arrancar109> Sorry Grimm. [03:44] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> how is the new arc so far meh whatever [03:44] <Arrancar109> Intense, but entirely one-sided in the enemy's favor. [03:45] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> cool [03:45] <Salubri> no matter how good a qunicy is they are limited by being human all the reishi collection in the world has nothing to do with maintaining such a form. The reason why u loose you powers after the final form was because a quincy's body cant handle that much power for extended periods [03:45] <AmmyFang> i have never read the manga [03:45] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> wow [03:45] <AmmyFang> i know [03:45] <Arrancar109> You should give it a look. The anime isn't going to continue for quite awhile, if at all. [03:45] <AmmyFang> i want to though [03:45] <AmmyFang> oh really that sucks [03:46] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> i wasnt really paying attention to the chat anyway i got bored watching the 2 of u go back and 4th [03:46] <AmmyFang> me too [03:46] <Arrancar109> I've heard rumors, but even then, any studio undertaking the project wants to wait for a good duration of time, so they don't have to resort to filler in the middle of the arc. [03:47] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> i cant really read what u say cause u basically write whole paragraphs! [03:47] <AmmyFang> haha [03:48] <AmmyFang> im going to go bye! [03:48] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> bye [03:48] <Arrancar109> See ya. [03:48] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> late [03:48] <Arrancar109> I know. [03:48] <Arrancar109> It happens. [03:48] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> xD [03:49] <Arrancar109> Sal, I hate to break it to you, especially since i know how much you hated the arc, but Ichigo's Fullbring remnants is a plausible theory right now as to why the seal may not have worked on him, especially if the sealing is supposed to work on Shinigami powers. [03:49] <Arrancar109> I'm not saying it's the main theory, but if this is the case, it might not work on Shinji, Rose, or Love either. [03:50] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> yeah i guess t [03:50] <Salubri> but they are real visored, we dont know if it true for ichigo, but if it is it stands to reason that he is still a visored [03:50] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> depends on Kubo [03:50] <Arrancar109> If Ichigo still has his powers of Hollowfication, that might be a more solid theory. [03:51] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> yeah [03:51] <Arrancar109> We still don't know yet. If he has it, then he wasn't motivated to use it yet. [03:51] <Salubri> it is compared to the fly by night lets make him a fullbringer all randomly [03:51] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> lol wow [03:51] <Arrancar109> Well, given Kugo's explanation, Grimm, I can see Sal's frustration on this. [03:51] <Salubri> no because it didnt take more then 5 min for him to go into bankai again [03:52] <Arrancar109> The reason why Ichigo had Fullbring powers was never explained. [03:52] <Salubri> so we see what we will get this arc [03:52] <Salubri> hell the reason why kugo had the powers he had wasnt even explained [03:52] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> he did want to keep the full bring arc short [03:53] <Salubri> short and confusing apparently [03:53] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> yeah [03:53] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [03:53] <Arrancar109> Hey Mohrph. [03:53] <Salubri> if making no sense was the idea he succeeded [03:53] <Mohrpheus> Ello [03:53] <Arrancar109> Heh. [03:53] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> hi moh [03:53] <Salubri> just getting arrancar caught up on a conversation earlier [03:54] <Mohrpheus> Ah lol. [03:54] <Mohrpheus> Fullbring arc? [03:54] <Arrancar109> Somewhat. [03:54] <Arrancar109> Overall, the theory of why Ichigo's Bankai wasn't stolen. [03:54] <Arrancar109> And given the face Ebern made when he used it, he knew exactly what was supposed to happen. [03:55] <Mohrpheus> Yeah. His troll face. [03:55] <Arrancar109> http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v53/c483/8.html [03:55] <Arrancar109> Yep. [03:55] <Salubri> which makes no sense there are maybe a handful of people with bankai how do they even know it worked [03:55] <Godismebot> My thoughts are that it didnt work due to Ebern being an Arrancar [03:55] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> lol troll face looks nothing like 1 [03:56] <Arrancar109> Which is contradicted by the fact that the Vandenreich Leader acknowledged that it should have worked. [03:56] <Arrancar109> He knew that if any of the non-Arrancar soldiers used it, the result likely would have been the same. [03:56] <Godismebot> They still havent explained how Arrancar are using Quincy powers [03:56] <Salubri> this stealing bankai thing is just as bad as the second resureccion plot device. [03:56] <Mohrpheus> I have my theory, but it's still half-baked. [03:57] <Salubri> oh back to mine [03:57] <Salubri> so you see what i mean arrancar [03:58] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> quincies could steal a shinigami's bankai? [03:58] <Arrancar109> Plot device in the recent arc, Grim. [03:58] <Arrancar109> And yes, Sal. [03:58] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> :( confused :( [03:59] <Arrancar109> Look into the new arc when you get a chance. The site I linked regarding Ebern's face has it up to date. [03:59] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> k [03:59] <Arrancar109> It even has the chapters pre-Fullbring arc. [03:59] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> o nice [04:00] <Mohrpheus> I'm still curious about who the other war potentials are. I'm almost certain that Yamamoto is one. I mean, look at the guy. [04:00] <Salubri> why isnt nel an adult whats the point of her if she cant even fight in this arc, i mean really [04:00] <Arrancar109> Plausible. [04:00] <Arrancar109> Heh. [04:00] <Mohrpheus> And good question. [04:00] <Arrancar109> Ichigo's not gonna ditch Nel if she's in trouble. [04:00] <Arrancar109> That's actually pretty clear. [04:00] <Arrancar109> But yeah, I see what you mean. [04:01] <Arrancar109> Kubo shouldn't have made the adult transformation a temporary thing in the first place. [04:01] <Salubri> no if that was the case they wouldnt have attacked soul society, they specifically waited for ichigo to be in hueco mundo before the invaded soul society [04:01] <Mohrpheus> My thoughts are that when the Aizen thing ended, she saw no need to have to fight anymore, so she didn't want to change back. Assuming her memory was intact. [04:01] <Godismebot> it saddens me that child Nel is more popular than adult Nel [04:01] <Mohrpheus> Nel was never one to fight unless she absolutely had to [04:01] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> she could have over done it child nel is cute [04:01] <Arrancar109> Even when she was an adult. [04:02] <Salubri> but im not sure the war potential matter in the way we think, Kirge seems to be under orders to kill ichigo, so idk [04:02] <Arrancar109> Child Nel is funny, but she can't do a whole lot against high-level opponents. [04:02] <Mohrpheus> I'm pretty sure that the leader expects Kirge to die. [04:02] <Arrancar109> Well, War Potential is probably another term for X-factor. [04:03] <Arrancar109> The Leader knows Yamamoto's power. [04:03] <The Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez> yeah she couldant fight against spoon-head untill she reverted back into her adult form [04:03] <Arrancar109> But he is probably unsure about Ichigo's. [04:03] <Arrancar109> Especially given his potential. [04:03] <Arrancar109> (his spiritual power potential) [04:03] <Salubri> well we dont know how much of his power he knows of, plus it was 1000 years ago, power grows as we see [04:04] <Arrancar109> True. [04:04] <Arrancar109> We are still yet to learn what happened between the two of them though. [04:04] <Mohrpheus> I'm sure we'll hear all about it [04:04] <Arrancar109> And again, I have sincere doubts that Yamamoto "let him go". [04:04] <Mohrpheus> Frankly, I'm thinking that's where Yama or the VL are heading [04:04] <Arrancar109> I know I convinced a majority of members not to buy that crap, but I know that's still a theory floating around out there. [04:05] <Mohrpheus> They're taking "let that man live" too literally [04:05] <Mohrpheus> Or "failed to kill." Whichever translation. [04:05] <Salubri> since when does yamamoto show mercy [04:05] <Arrancar109> That's exactly my point. [04:06] <Salubri> if anything the guy got lucky and escaped and apparently went into hiding [04:06] <Arrancar109> And given the trouble Quincies caused, it's unlikely he would have let him go. [04:06] <Godismebot> Hi, welcome to the Bleach Wiki Chat! Please remember to follow our Bleach Wiki:Chat Policy when you are here. Also note that you need ten productive edits to articles to be in here otherwise you will be asked to leave. [04:06] <Arrancar109> Hey Kuro. [04:06] <Salubri> thats a major rule dont leave an enemy alive so he can come back and kill u later [04:06] <KuroAshi98> Hey Arrancar, thanks for getting God to fix the code ^_^ [04:06] <Mohrpheus> Things could have been different back then. I mean, that's very far back. [04:07] <Salubri> yea about the year 1001 [04:07] <Arrancar109> lol [04:07] <Arrancar109> Yep. [04:08] <KuroAshi98> yeah, a lot of things can change in 1000 years, my he might have been a young man with a full head of hair.....creepy [04:08] <Salubri> but this chapter was pretty bad, take 4 of your most powerful captains and just have them do something real stupid and put faith in their lieutenants to have their back. Just real weak writing here [04:09] <Arrancar109> Especially given that Sui-Feng doesn't trust Omaeda with tasks like that. [04:09] <Arrancar109> Though, I have a feeling with her, it was pure arrogance. [04:09] <Mohrpheus> Though, Sui-Feng was confident that she could end it with one shot. That's like her [04:09] <Mohrpheus> She wouldn't need to rely on him [04:10] <Salubri> exactly, i mean i dont expect the story to be FMA:B level but at least decent and plausable within the content hes created already [04:10] <KuroAshi98> Still, it threw her claim of hating her bankai into the wind [04:10] <KuroAshi98> unless she actually wanted it taken from her lol [04:10] <Arrancar109> Well, despite hating it, it was hers. [04:10] <Arrancar109> It was spawned from her power. [04:10] <Arrancar109> She probably feels violated that she lost it. [04:11] <Arrancar109> That's usually more unpleasant that having it in the first place. [04:11] <Arrancar109> *than having it [04:12] <Mohrpheus> Seeing four Bankai that we've seen a bit of already sealed away at once makes me wonder if any more will be stolen though. [04:12] <KuroAshi98> True enough, well at least they haven't lost all hope yet, there's still the 9 other captains + upper class lieutenants/Ikkaku [04:12] <Mohrpheus> I mean, Hitsugaya spams his almost as much as Ichigo. [04:12] <Arrancar109> Ichigo only spams it in the anime. [04:13] <Arrancar109> In the manga, he had it up since his fight with Grimmjow until losing his powers. [04:13] <Mohrpheus> True [04:13] <KuroAshi98> Lol so instead of spamming, he just never ended it xD [04:13] <Salubri> rose, ukitake and shunsui interestingly dont activate theirs yet [04:13] <Arrancar109> Activated it against Kugo to shut him up, activated it against Ebern to see where he was going with it, and activated it against Kirge because Vollstandig was making Shikai useless. [04:14] <Mohrpheus> I'm interested in Shunsui's. [04:14] <Mohrpheus> Simply because of Ukitake's warning [04:14] <Salubri> shunsui and ukitake's better be fricking amazing or im gonna be pissed [04:15] <Arrancar109> I'm thinking Ukitake has more to his Shikai than we got to see, so I'm hoping to see some of that before he goes Bankai. [04:15] <Godismebot> I think Shunsui and Ukitake's will be interesting, I cannot imagine what they could be [04:15] <Arrancar109> Nel could already redirect projectiles. Seeing a second person with that ability wasn't exciting. [04:15] <Mohrpheus> I mean, Shunsui's Shikai is already pretty amazing. [04:15] <Mohrpheus> It's debatable that we haven't even seen its full power [04:15] <Mohrpheus> Asides from Takaoni [04:16] <Godismebot> ^ [04:16] <Salubri> turning kid games into reality, thats reality manipulation on a specified conditional scale [04:16] <Godismebot> We have yet to see a completed Takaoni [04:16] <Arrancar109> Kyoraku probably has the most impressive Shikai because of that. [04:16] <Mohrpheus> I kinda wish he hadn't used the spinning top one though. It seemed a little out of place [04:16] <Mohrpheus> But that's my nitpickiness [04:17] <Salubri> banaki are just the shikai vastly upgraded [04:17] <Arrancar109> In usual cases. [04:17] <Arrancar109> Sui-Feng's was a huge flip-side. [04:17] <Salubri> shinji's is an optical illusion in shikai can u imagine in bankai what it can do [04:18] <Arrancar109> Small stinger into huge-ass missile. [04:18] <Mohrpheus> Sui-Feng's was a concept. Death in two steps becomes death in one. Just not the way you'd think. [04:18] <Salubri> rose has music which is very versatile as a combat technique [04:18] <Mohrpheus> Of course, Baraggan was hideously overpowered, so it didn't work on him. [04:18] <Godismebot> I think with Shinji's his would be something along the lines of an ever changing illusion [04:18] <Arrancar109> True. And even then, Aizen proved that its ability can be suppressed with the right amount of Reiatsu. [04:18] <Godismebot> An illusion you cannot adjust to [04:18] <Arrancar109> True, God. [04:18] <KuroAshi98> How about Urahara, or hell will Yoruichi ever use her zanpakuto before the end? lol [04:19] <Arrancar109> Yoruichi needs to use her Zanpakuto. [04:19] <Arrancar109> And I believe that's where you guys ended your conversation, Sal. :p [04:19] <Salubri> she better im thinking its clawed gauntlets [04:19] <Mohrpheus> I dunno. [04:19] <Godismebot> 90% chance its a close combat weapon [04:19] <Mohrpheus> I remember thinking that the anti-hierro armor was her Zanpakuto [04:19] <Arrancar109> Same, God. [04:20] <Godismebot> Mohrph, I did too [04:20] <Arrancar109> Good thing it wasn't. [04:20] <Mohrpheus> But you'd think that if it's something compatible with her favored fighting style, she'd use it more [04:20] <Salubri> like i said clawed gauntlets [04:20] <Arrancar109> Aizen shattered it like glass. [04:20] <KuroAshi98> Or maybe it's long range like Soifon's Bankai, which is why she never uses it [04:20] <Salubri> goes with the cat concept [04:20] <Arrancar109> I just hope it's not comical looking. [04:20] <Godismebot> Yeah, Kuro, I had a similar idea [04:20] <Godismebot> She may never use it because it doesnt fit her style [04:20] <Salubri> i cant begin to think what urahara's is [04:21] <Mohrpheus> "Not suitable for making others stronger" [04:21] <Arrancar109> Especially with how he commented upon it. [04:21] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [04:21] <Godismebot> The thing about Urahara is we still dont know what his Shikai does exactly [04:21] <Mohrpheus> Maybe it makes them weaker? From their blood? Lol [04:21] <KuroAshi98> *Spoiler Alert!* Yoruichi's is actually an ability enchancing cat-suit, giving her feline capabilities in human form!! [04:21] <KuroAshi98> ....not :P [04:21] <Godismebot> He has a new trick everytime we see him [04:21] <Salubri> its versatile energy manipulation from what can be understood [04:21] <Mohrpheus> For a while I thought he copies abilities, but apparently it's just another one with loads of commands [04:23] <Salubri> unohana is gonna mess these guys up i can feel it, they are gonna probably piss her off and she is gonna show them why she is feared [04:23] <KuroAshi98> I wonder if he alters it like Mayuri... [04:23] <Arrancar109> A good chunk of the 4th Division needs to die for that then. [04:23] <Arrancar109> That's the only thing I can think of to get her pissed off. [04:23] <Mohrpheus> I wanna see if Unohana's Kendo is stronger than Zaraki's. [04:23] <Arrancar109> And even then, it might be a long shot. [04:23] <Salubri> no just a patient in her care being killed with no mercy by these stern ritter guys [04:24] <Arrancar109> She's one of the oldest captains, so she's seen a lot of people die. [04:24] <Godismebot> Im interested to see when Isshin and Ryuken show up [04:24] <Arrancar109> I'm interested to see where Uryu and possibly Ryuken stand in this. [04:24] <Salubri> but even the arrancar stepped aside when she showed up just to heal and not fight [04:24] <Arrancar109> Sal thinks Uryu will join them. [04:24] <Godismebot> I doubt it [04:24] <Salubri> even aizen ran off instead of facing her like he did with hitsugaya, u may not have noticed that [04:24] <Mohrpheus> Ryuken maybe [04:25] <Mohrpheus> I could see it [04:25] <Arrancar109> Doubtful. [04:25] <Godismebot> I could see Ryuken more than Uryu but I would doubt even that [04:25] <Arrancar109> True. [04:25] <Arrancar109> Still, Ryuken hates being a Quincy. [04:25] <Mohrpheus> True. [04:25] <Salubri> actually i revise my point on those two [04:26] <Salubri> uryu isnt nowhere near the capabilities of these guys and ryuken i doubt he would care but we dont really know what level his power is on here [04:26] <Mohrpheus> Seeing those two compared to the other Vandenreich, it makes me even wonder if they are human. [04:26] <Godismebot> I still dont think the Vandenreich are Human [04:26] <Arrancar109> At least their Leader isn't. [04:26] <Salubri> ive been saying the vandenreich arent really human for a minute [04:26] <Mohrpheus> And after seeing an Arrancar being handed Quincy powers, I'm wondering if the Quincy slain 200 years ago were just humans [04:26] <Mohrpheus> Conscripts [04:27] <Godismebot> I think the Vandenreich may be the spirits of the slain Quincy [04:27] <KuroAshi98> well, when was the last time we saw Uryu fight seriously? Kugo after he powered himself up with Ichigo's powers? [04:27] <KuroAshi98> Give the guy a chance lol [04:27] <Salubri> No there really isnt something right with this story about the Quincy war [04:27] <Arrancar109> We still don't know everything either. [04:27] <Godismebot> There is obviously much more to the Quincy then we were told [04:27] <Arrancar109> Quincy destroy Hollows, Shinigami tell them stop, they say no, then Shinigami kill a vast majority of them. [04:27] <Arrancar109> The End. [04:28] <Arrancar109> That's all we were given in the beginning. [04:28] <Salubri> yea but what kind of war has you wipe out a whole species except for a small family [04:28] <Arrancar109> FMA operated on that. [04:29] <Godismebot> We were led to believe that the Ishidas somehow survived [04:29] <Godismebot> that may not be true anymore [04:29] <Arrancar109> Yeah, the Ishidas may have been lucky. [04:29] <Salubri> thats not a war thats genocide but if it happened 200 years ago then whats the deal that happened 1000 years ago with yamamoto and the leader [04:29] <Salubri> thats a large gap of time [04:29] <Arrancar109> We still don't know if the two incidents are related. [04:30] <Salubri> how cant they be [04:30] <KuroAshi98> Maybe the Ishida family said, "Okay, we understand your side." [04:30] <Arrancar109> They might be, if the Leader taught that generation of Quincies directly. but other than that, we still don't know. [04:30] <Salubri> they arent human, this dude is 1000 years old last we checked quincy were human [04:30] <Mohrpheus> When was it that Souken took charge then? He's the one who tried to negotiate for an alliance. [04:30] <Salubri> wait, arent they human? [04:31] <Arrancar109> How old was Soken anyway? [04:31] <Salubri> a regular old man i think [04:31] <Mohrpheus> In Kisuke's original explanation, Quincies descended from "magic-users" (translation may or may not be right" [04:31] <Salubri> he died pretty easy so he couldnt be that old [04:31] <Arrancar109> Yeah. He might have learned from his father or grandfather. [04:32] <Arrancar109> Anyway, we know that the Leader survived Yamamoto 1000 years ago, and that the Quincies were supposedly wiped out 200 years ago. What happened in the 800 years between those times is largely unexplored. [04:32] <Arrancar109> Additionally, we don't know how their activity ranged during that timespan. [04:32] <Salubri> but there is alot of vandenreich like a whole military worth, how do you hide that with beings that poweful for 1000 years [04:33] <Arrancar109> Where are they hiding right now? [04:33] <Arrancar109> We still don't know that either. [04:33] <Mohrpheus> I think the location of that ice palace is going to be an important part of things, as well as how exactly they've been bypassing the Shakonmaku. [04:33] <Arrancar109> My guess is it was wherever their HQ is supposed to be right now. [04:33] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [04:34] <Arrancar109> That's exactly my point. [04:34] <Godismebot> I think the Ice Palace may be underneath Seireitei [04:34] <Godismebot> Kubo said it would be underneath somewhere [04:34] <Mohrpheus> My crack guess was that it was part of the underground prison. [04:34] <KuroAshi98> there's that whole 'shadows' ability which erases their presence [04:34] <Godismebot> and with the ease they all got into Seireitei [04:34] <Arrancar109> We don't know where they are, and Mayuri apparently doesn't know either (but might be trying to figure it out), and they were never pinpointed. [04:34] <KuroAshi98> when I read the chapter title I thought it was going to explain that &gt;_&gt; [04:35] <Arrancar109> Hueco Mundo is clearly not their home dimension. [04:35] <Arrancar109> They would have enslaved it a long time ago if it was. [04:35] <Mohrpheus> They bypass the Dangai entirely from the looks of it [04:35] <Salubri> well they attacked it first and hueco mundo is closer to the world of the living then soul society, So they gotta be around those to realms [04:35] <KuroAshi98> so who do we think the other 4 'special war assets' are? [04:35] <KuroAshi98> Ichigo, Uryu, ___, ____, ____. [04:36] <Salubri> no uryu [04:36] <KuroAshi98> I thought he was mentioned? Ah well, just Ichigo then haha [04:36] <Salubri> too weak what they need him for when they got quincies owning people with no effort [04:37] <KuroAshi98> They thought he was stronger though, just going by Ebern's reaction [04:38] <Arrancar109> My original theory was Ichigo, Uryu, Urahara, Isshin, and Ryuken. But I've reevaluated those thoughts since then. [04:38] <Mohrpheus> The translations seemed to be off. At one point Kirge calls the Ishidas trash, the other he says that Uryu's heiligpfiogineo cannot possibly be weaker than his own [04:38] <Arrancar109> Uryu's still a Quincy, and he's also remarkably talented. Hence why he's even considered by some fans. [04:38] <Arrancar109> Anyway, Urahara's apparently not one of them either, so I had to rule that out. [04:39] <Salubri> well on the plus side we dont have to worry with anyone falling in love with these vandenreich characters like the arrancar or the fullbringers. They are just so forgettable i dont even remember any of them right now. [04:39] <Arrancar109> As Nodt is the only noteworthy one of them. [04:39] <Arrancar109> And it's because it is so freaking weird. [04:39] <KuroAshi98> I recently saw a fanart (shoot me now for mentioning it) which has Ichigo, Uryu and Grimmjow standing beside each other [04:39] <KuroAshi98> Gave me the idea that the 5 war assets are the 5 special cases within each species? maybe lol [04:39] <Godismebot> NaNaNa is an unforgettable name [04:39] <Arrancar109> lol [04:40] <Mohrpheus> I like As. I dunno why. [04:40] <Salubri> really [04:40] <Arrancar109> I still don't know if As is a guy or girl. :p [04:40] <Salubri> someone who hasnt done anything u like [04:40] <Salubri> no personality nothing [04:40] <KuroAshi98> Iunno, Basterbine is cute xD [04:40] <Godismebot> Mohrph, I have a feeling you are going to come in here one day and be like "I really like Bambietta" [04:40] <Arrancar109> lol [04:40] <Mohrpheus> I did it for Riruka. [04:40] <Salubri> really wouldnt matter cause they all kind of are boring [04:40] <Mohrpheus> And Unagiya. [04:41] <Mohrpheus> So, maybe. XD [04:41] <Mohrpheus> [04:41] <Godismebot> Exactly [04:41] <Arrancar109> We didn't see a whole lot of them judge them. [04:41] <KuroAshi98> They haven't even done anything yet Sal, give them a chance &gt;_&gt; [04:41] <Arrancar109> WE only saw them slaughter Soul Reapers. [04:41] <Salubri> nope [04:41] <Arrancar109> That's it. [04:41] <Arrancar109> Oh, and steal Bankai. [04:41] <Arrancar109> Can't forget about that. [04:41] <Arrancar109> Which pisses everyone off today. :p [04:41] <Godismebot> As's ability is very interesting [04:41] <Mohrpheus> But then again, a lot of the Shinigami got huge fans long before FKT, surprising even Kubo [04:41] <KuroAshi98> Kirge was just boring to begin with, and then we gave him time to develop into the asshole we know him to be today~! [04:41] <Arrancar109> As's evil smile creeped me out. [04:41] <Salubri> even if they did i know their skill set nothin about that impresses me and their personalities alreay irk me like kirges does [04:43] <Godismebot> Sal, name a character you like who isn't a Shinigami [04:43] <Salubri> stark [04:43] <Mohrpheus> Bingo [04:43] <Godismebot> Truly? I havent heard you say anything positive about any non SHinigami characters before [04:43] <Godismebot> Interesting [04:43] <Arrancar109> I think he was the one who said that Starrk was the only one playing on the wrong side. [04:43] <Salubri> i havent heard u say anything positive about any shinigami before [04:43] <Arrancar109> Something he would rarely say. [04:43] <KuroAshi98> Who are you and where did you take the real Sal!? [04:43] <Arrancar109> lol [04:44] <Arrancar109> Aizen counts. :p [04:44] <Godismebot> says lots of stuff about Shinigami [04:44] <Arrancar109> lol [04:44] <Salubri> no u dont unless its i hope they all die [04:45] <Mohrpheus> I've been wanting to do something like that XD [04:45] <Godismebot> My favorite characters are all Shinigami [04:45] <Salubri> doubtful [04:45] <Arrancar109> Except Kugo, but he was the first sub. [04:45] <Arrancar109> Still, Kugo's the only Human on that list. [04:45] <KuroAshi98> Dude, Kugo is even more complicated then Ichigo lol [04:45] <Mohrpheus> Pfft [04:46] <Mohrpheus> In his head maybe [04:46] <Godismebot> Kugo was great as the good guy, as a bad guy, he sucked [04:46] <Arrancar109> Agree 100%. [04:46] <Arrancar109> Still wish he stuck around after the end, but what's done is done. [04:46] <Mohrpheus> Kubo tried to pull a triple whammy on his alignment and screwed up royally [04:46] <KuroAshi98> Lol he was a better bad guy when he was acting [04:46] <Godismebot> yeah [04:47] <Mohrpheus> I actually liked how he became bros with Ichigo. [04:47] <Mohrpheus> Even willing to take a hit for him. [04:47] <Godismebot> Thats why I liked him so much, he was the only one of the Fullbringers I could see becoming a character for the rest of the series [04:47] <Salubri> i liked how the arc made very little sense, loving being confused [04:48] <Mohrpheus> However, that's his one act as a villain that I loved about him - he crushed Ichigo's hope, all of it [04:48] <Arrancar109> I love how you think the Visoreds becoming captains doesn't need to be explained, because it pretty much betrays their character. [04:49] <KuroAshi98> I'm just waiting for Kensei to start another fight and then never be seen again, cause the way it's going it's probably going to happen again xD [04:49] <Mohrpheus> That sucked. Because I like Kensei. [04:49] <KuroAshi98> Oh that's right, we've seen his Bankai haven't we? :D [04:49] <Salubri> seen a glimpse [04:50] <Arrancar109> Got Kensei'd though. :p [04:50] <Mohrpheus> Maybe he should get it sealed. Apparently releasing it makes him go off-panel for a hundred chapters [04:50] <Arrancar109> lol [04:51] <KuroAshi98> I wonder if any of the Vizard from the living world will turn up... [04:51] <Mohrpheus> Eventually maybe. We've seen a glimpse. [04:51] <Arrancar109> Hiyori and Lisa, at least. [04:51] <Salubri> actually no it really didnt betray their character. shinji, kensei and rose never had a problem with being captains or anything against the shinigami. They felt they had been discarded and acted accordingly. They though soul society wanted them dead. When they showed up and Yamamoto was surprised to see them and they figured out by the end they were never enemies. It all cleared up [04:52] <Mohrpheus> Hiyori is really the only one who vocally held a grudge. [04:52] <Arrancar109> Not really. [04:52] <Salubri> yea [04:52] <Arrancar109> Shinji clarified both before and after that battle that they had a common enemy. They didn't intend to become buddies with them. [04:52] <Arrancar109> Ichigo was the only common ally both of them had. [04:53] <Mohrpheus> Regarding their reason for going there. [04:53] <Mohrpheus> I don't think that necessarily had to apply after [04:53] <Mohrpheus> Especially after Unohana's conversation with him [04:53] <Arrancar109> Probably not, but what made them want to return? [04:53] <Arrancar109> Shinji is probably the only one who could work, because of how badly Aizen used Hinamori, but even then, we'd need to see what happened. [04:54] <Mohrpheus> Aizen used them all. [04:54] <Godismebot> Cause Aizen was awesome :) [04:54] <Mohrpheus> Not Carnage? [04:54] <Salubri> not really [04:54] <Arrancar109> I'm not saying Kubo needs to go out of his way and explain this stuff in the manga. You know as well as I do he can easily do this in a databook. [04:55] <KuroAshi98> Lol OP is good like that, because in the volume's Oda does short Q&amp;A after every chapter [04:55] <Salubri> whats there to explain though. They held the same positions before and the positions needed filling. They had the power and experience [04:55] <KuroAshi98> It's cleared a lot of stuff up over the years lol [04:55] <Arrancar109> Yeah, wanting to magically come back for no reason is a good explanation. [04:55] <Mohrpheus> And I still find it utterly unlikely that they had anyone else who could fill the slots [04:56] <Salubri> well lets see sitting around in a warehouse doing nothing isnt really fun [04:56] <Mohrpheus> I don't think it's a matter of why they came back, it's why they stayed away. [04:56] <Arrancar109> Urahara seems to have fun doing that. :p [04:56] <Arrancar109> Except in a shop. [04:56] <Mohrpheus> Urahara is on something [04:56] <Salubri> they came back because its what they know what they missed [04:56] <Godismebot> But Urahara is just a modest candy shop owner [04:57] <Mohrpheus> Oh yeah UraharaxUnagiya. Yep. [04:57] <Godismebot> oh god [04:57] <Arrancar109> lol [04:57] <Arrancar109> Crack ahoy. [04:57] <Salubri> urahara could come back to Soul Society but whats there for him, his position is filled. Its home but what is he gonna do there [04:57] <Mohrpheus> Be bros with Mayuri. [04:57] <Godismebot> Kubo stated that Urahara is permanently exiled [04:57] <Salubri> yea that made no sense [04:58] <Godismebot> He fled punishment [04:58] <Godismebot> Even if you arent guilty, you are avoiding the law [04:58] <KuroAshi98> Urahara has made a proper life in the living world, he's got the store and those two kids to look after [04:58] <Godismebot> which is breaking the law [04:58] <Mohrpheus> Well, he was able to enter Soul Society. Before, didn't his Senkaimon burn him? [04:58] <Salubri> i hate how kubo states something like that with no explanation. It really didnt require thought it just is, like so much of what he has stated about this arc, a whim [04:59] <Godismebot> I don't know, I think its pretty clear to see. He avoided the law [04:59] <Arrancar109> A lot of governments are like that. Even if they are in the wrong, they still want to be obeyed. [05:00] <Mohrpheus> So did the Visored, technically. They illegally attained Hollow powers. [05:00] <Arrancar109> The Central 46 made this completely obvious during Urahara's sentencing. [05:00] <Godismebot> It was against their will though Mohrph [05:00] <Arrancar109> Aizen's too, even if it was a newer Central 46. [05:00] <Godismebot> They had no hand in it, it just happened [05:00] <Godismebot> Urahara on the other hand chose to flee from the law [05:00] <Salubri> yea well that wasnt simple, he was framed and sentensed with no real evidence to prove his guilt showing how backwards their legal system is. Then there is the issue of him helping soul society in the war so i think some apologies and exoneration are in store [05:01] <Arrancar109> Aside from that, would Urahara want to return? [05:01] <Godismebot> I doubt it [05:02] <Arrancar109> He's got nothing waiting for him in the Soul Society. Mayuri took over both of his former positions. [05:02] <Salubri> like i said whats for him in soul society, mayuri took over everything he had [05:02] <Arrancar109> What's left for him there? [05:02] <Mohrpheus> He's accustomed to being a businessman. [05:02] <Arrancar109> Well, at least we agree on that. [05:02] <Mohrpheus> Same goes for Yoruichi, I suppose. She seems even less likely. [05:02] <Arrancar109> Sui-Feng wants to kill him too. He doesn't need to deal with that. :p [05:02] <Mohrpheus> I wonder if Hachi ever did good on his promise [05:03] <Arrancar109> lol [05:03] <Salubri> yourichi should get the onmitsukido back though technically they are run by her family [05:03] <Arrancar109> You guys think Kubo will give her a timeskip makeover? [05:03] <Godismebot> Maybe [05:03] <Arrancar109> He did say he thought her current appearance suits her [05:03] <Mohrpheus> Doubtful. He said he likes the way she looks already [05:03] <Salubri> only making her hair short again like it was [05:04] <Arrancar109> I was initially disappointed by Rukia's haircut, but I've gotten used to it now. [05:04] <Mohrpheus> Maybe a new outfit. That leotard isn't gonna cut it. [05:04] <Godismebot> I am still not a fan [05:04] <Salubri> its better then was though [05:04] <Arrancar109> I still want it longer. [05:04] <Arrancar109> Rukia's old hairstyle was more unique. [05:05] <Salubri> she got a big ass head though, hard to cut something that looks good [05:05] <Godismebot> For some reason, ever since she got that haircut, she looks tinier to me [05:05] <Arrancar109> lol [05:05] <Salubri> so how fast u think rukia will get owned in this arc [05:05] <Godismebot> very [05:06] <Arrancar109> Yep. [05:06] <Mohrpheus> She'll get Izuru'd. [05:06] <Arrancar109> Heh. [05:06] <Salubri> yea she should be sucking through a straw in minutes [05:06] <Arrancar109> I see her only standing a chance against grunts like Ebern. [05:06] <Arrancar109> Who are not in the Soul Society right now. [05:06] <KuroAshi98> Don't be silly, her plot armour protects her. xD [05:06] <Arrancar109> So yeah, pretty quickly as soon as she confronts a Stern Ritter. [05:07] <Arrancar109> Or the Leader, if she's unlucky enough. [05:07] <Godismebot> She has always been very weak [05:07] <Mohrpheus> Her greatest achievement was crushed by the revelation that her opponent was first weakest, not second. [05:07] <Arrancar109> lol [05:07] <Arrancar109> Yep. [05:07] <Godismebot> The fact that she beat Aaroniero is a miracle [05:07] <Arrancar109> Definitely. [05:07] <Mohrpheus> Technically she did it with one shot, didn't she? [05:07] <Arrancar109> Yeah, but it only happened because he was toying with her. [05:08] <Godismebot> Yes, after having her ass handed to her and her Zanpakuto broken and developing a new technique [05:08] <Arrancar109> If he wanted to take her seriously, she would have been dead after he released. [05:08] <Salubri> the general concept kubo has is kill everyone and leave the others all defeated then bring out the royal guard then when everyone is nice and depressed about how average they are, have godzilla attack soul society and then the vandenreich reveals they arent quincy but the spanish inquisition, Ichigo is kensei'ed and the story ends. [05:08] <KuroAshi98> He did admit if she had hit him with her Kido it'd of almost finished it [05:08] <Arrancar109> lol [05:08] <Mohrpheus> Rukia held back the entire fight. Because of Aaroniero's BS. Which ended up being partially true. [05:09] <KuroAshi98> Has Rukia had any fights where she hasn't been impaired in some way? [05:09] <Arrancar109> It's probably good that Rukia didn't become a lieutenant until recently. [05:09] <Godismebot> D Roy [05:09] <KuroAshi98> Ahh yes, and how fast did he last? [05:10] <Mohrpheus> Not long. [05:10] <KuroAshi98> long* did he last [05:10] <Arrancar109> She had a lot of emotional baggage until after she killed Aaroniero. [05:10] <KuroAshi98> One shot, right? xD [05:10] <Godismebot> Yes, surprise attacks on weak opponents tend to do that [05:10] <Arrancar109> And on Tosen, apparently. [05:10] <Mohrpheus> Master of aerial combat, derp. Yeah right. [05:11] <Salubri> Tosen aka king hypocrite and gin aka king overreaction [05:11] <KuroAshi98> D Roy wasn't a surprise attack :/ Oh well... [05:11] <Mohrpheus> Yeah it was. He had no idea the second dance had such a large range. [05:12] <KuroAshi98> ...that's a mistake on his part, he was well aware he was being attacked though [05:13] <KuroAshi98> it's like saying that transvestite Arrancar's cero was a surprise attack because of it's range [05:13] <Salubri> i wonder who is the current Grand Kido Chief of the Kido Corps [05:13] <Arrancar109> If there is one. [05:13] <Salubri> its been 110yrs its likely there is one [05:13] <Arrancar109> Kido isn't exactly easy to learn, so anyone moving up to Tessai's level would be exceedingly difficult. [05:13] <Salubri> i guess who was ever third in line [05:13] <Arrancar109> True. [05:14] <Salubri> I mean tosen apparently went from 5 seat to captain, which was easy considering he pretty much killed everyone in his way [05:14] <Salubri> well he is a hypocrite but least he was ambitious [05:14] <Arrancar109> Remember that there is a test required. [05:14] <KuroAshi98> Soo, with the anime finished, does anybody think any more movies are a possibility? [05:15] <Arrancar109> Not sure. [05:15] <Godismebot> One thing never made sense about Tosen's squad placement. When was he in the 5th Division? [05:15] <Salubri> whats that [05:15] <Mohrpheus> He might not have had to be. [05:15] <Arrancar109> It depends if Studio Pierrot holds any sort of animated distributing license still. [05:15] <Godismebot> He said he was [05:15] <Mohrpheus> Hm. [05:15] <Arrancar109> And if it doesn't, a different studio needs to before they consider a Bleach movie. [05:15] <Godismebot> He told Komamura to join his squad as they had a great Lt. [05:15] <Godismebot> as in Aizen [05:16] <Godismebot> But timeline wise I have no idea when this was [05:16] <Mohrpheus> After that incident, I guess. [05:16] <Salubri> well he was apparently in the 5th division when he first got out of the academy, Aizen was still the lieutenant [05:16] <Mohrpheus> Aizen replaced Shinji, Tosen became his new lieutenant, and then captain sometime after since he already had bankai [05:16] <Arrancar109> Additionally, Kuro, it's hard to come up with anymore movie concepts. Hell Chapter was the best one. [05:16] <Arrancar109> Best one since DDR, according to God, but still. [05:16] <Salubri> thats not right [05:17] <KuroAshi98> Hell Chapter was pretty good, I feel it's because they focused on a smaller cast [05:17] <KuroAshi98> Rather then thinking of a challenge for the entire Gotei 13, they only had to worry about 4-5 [05:17] <Salubri> Aizen became captain and gin became his lieutenant, at that point Tosen was in the 9th division mohrp [05:17] <Arrancar109> True. [05:17] <Arrancar109> Fade to Black disappointed me. [05:17] <Mohrpheus> Ah, true. [05:17] <Mohrpheus> Didn't even think of that [05:18] <Arrancar109> IchiRuki fans loved it, but only because it starred those two. [05:18] <Mohrpheus> I'm only halfway through it... the summary is, egh. [05:18] <Mohrpheus> My fingers want to vomit [05:18] <KuroAshi98> Hell, have it focus on a different character's story with Ichgio just helping out (like the second movie) [05:18] <KuroAshi98> Just no omnipotent god at the end lol [05:18] <Arrancar109> I know God did already, but when are you guys going to vote for profile image changing? [05:18] <Arrancar109> Ichigo needs one and Homura does too... though, it's clear where hers is going. [05:18] <Salubri> Aizen moves up and gin moves up, Tosen moves up and then, Gin moves into the third division position around the same time byakuya becomes captain of the 6th [05:19] <Arrancar109> @Kuro: I would like to see a Bleach movie like that. [05:19] <Arrancar109> Just not focused on Hitsugaya again. [05:19] <Mohrpheus> I'd like to see the novel adapted, for one. [05:19] <Mohrpheus> Since, well, obvious reasons I guess. [05:19] <Arrancar109> That would work. [05:20] <Arrancar109> Still don't like how the novel is ignoring a lot of canon, but still. [05:20] <Salubri> i have the idea about how we handle novels now [05:20] <KuroAshi98> I haven't read anything about the novel, what canon is it ignoring? :/ [05:20] <Arrancar109> I would watch it for the Kenpachis. [05:20] <Arrancar109> Szayel bores me. [05:20] <Arrancar109> Even his apparent re-novelized version bores me. [05:21] <Mohrpheus> Azashiro is beyond OP [05:21] <Salubri> that novel thing about szayel was stupid it made no sense as a backstory for him [05:21] <Arrancar109> Kuro, the novel is very confusing. [05:21] <Arrancar109> Thank you. [05:21] <Arrancar109> Finally someone agrees with me. [05:21] <Salubri> i dont seem him escaping some place you cant escape either [05:21] <KuroAshi98> Is there somewhere I can read the english translation? [05:22] <Godismebot> Apparently the latest translations say thats not him [05:22] <Arrancar109> I heard that it wasn't him that appears during the present in that novel, but Privaron Espada #100. [05:22] <Godismebot> just an impostor [05:22] <Arrancar109> Exactly. [05:22] <Mohrpheus> Cien ate his body and gained his memories, or some crap like that [05:22] <Arrancar109> #100 is posing as him. [05:22] <Salubri> oh whatever its all dumb [05:22] <Arrancar109> See, this is what i mean. [05:22] <Salubri> the only interesting thing is the kenpachi thing and that really doesnt make much sense either [05:22] <Arrancar109> Agreed. [05:22] <Arrancar109> Nobody saw his Bankai. [05:23] <Arrancar109> I thought that was a requirement to even make captain. [05:23] <Salubri> nobody saw his zanpakuto period [05:23] <Arrancar109> Wait, scratch that. [05:23] <Godismebot> Kenpachi [05:23] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [05:23] <Godismebot> they kill captains [05:23] <Salubri> that makes sense [05:23] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [05:23] <Arrancar109> Silly me. :p [05:24] <Salubri> the back story about him and him talking to Aizen just made no sense [05:24] <Mohrpheus> Azashiro's Bankai is just silly though. [05:24] <KuroAshi98> Kenpachi thing? Bankai? Old Kenpachi or current?! I'm confused.... &gt;.&lt; [05:24] <Arrancar109> I'll look into it leader. [05:24] <Arrancar109> An old Kenpachi. [05:24] <Arrancar109> The 8th one I think. [05:24] <Arrancar109> *look into it later. [05:24] <Arrancar109> I have no excuse for that typo. [05:24] <Salubri> how are you a captain and nobody has ever seen your zanpakuto at all, even the central 46 asked to see it and he refused like come on. and now you say he wasnt dead and was locked up come on [05:25] <Mohrpheus> He used his Bankai against the other captains, and only relented because of GASP, the Royal Guard. [05:25] <Salubri> wait what was his bankai, i didnt really read that part? [05:25] <KuroAshi98> I'll have to read this at some point lol [05:25] <Arrancar109> I heard about that. [05:25] <Arrancar109> And it still annoys me. [05:25] <Mohrpheus> Some weird crap. Part of it allowed him to speak a hundred Kidou incantations at once. [05:25] <Arrancar109> Wow. [05:26] <Arrancar109> That makes me miss Inaba. [05:26] <Salubri> wow who wrote that someone from the bleach fan fiction wiki [05:26] <Mohrpheus> He hits Kenpachi with multiple Itto Kasso in their final fight [05:26] <Salubri> wtf [05:26] <Salubri> thats the dumbest thing i ever heard [05:26] <Mohrpheus> Oh, and get this - he is unaffected [05:27] <Arrancar109> Maybe we should ask Kubo questions about the novel before Lemur gives the list to Yyp. [05:27] <Mohrpheus> And then at the height of their power, both their reiatsu signatures vanish. I slammed my laptop shut after that [05:27] <Salubri> yea ok im telling u right now as of this moment all novels not written by kubo are to be considered apocrypha [05:27] <KuroAshi98> So what, both Kenpachi became evolved-Aizen level? o.O [05:27] <Salubri> im not changing my position on this, that crap is not going in the main articles [05:28] <KuroAshi98> Well, there some evidence as to why Kubo tried his best to keep Kenpachi out of FKT [05:28] <Mohrpheus> The letter from Kubo doesn't seem to acknowledge it as canon, just as something he wish he had written/drawn [05:28] <Salubri> thats the stupidest thing i ever heard [05:28] <Godismebot> Kubo is just humble, he even liked the movies [05:28] <Salubri> the movies are trash just like that novel [05:28] <Arrancar109> lol [05:29] <KuroAshi98> what ever happened to the novel supposedly starring Don Kanonji? or are we thinking of separate novels? [05:29] <Mohrpheus> And he praised the author for apparently reading his mind on several things [05:29] <Arrancar109> That is the novel. [05:29] <Salubri> who says i wish i could write crap like that [05:29] <KuroAshi98> ... [05:29] <Arrancar109> Bad fanfiction writers? :p [05:29] <Salubri> why would stephen king, or j.k. rowling wish to be stephenie meyers [05:29] <KuroAshi98> *cries* why would you do this to us....how does it even fit together?! [05:29] <Mohrpheus> Oh, and the spider Arrancar chick uses Mugetsu. [05:30] <KuroAshi98> ...what? WHAT?! [05:30] <Mohrpheus> She copies the abilities of other combatants with Szayel's spirit bugs. [05:30] <KuroAshi98> ...look see now that just sounds like trolling. &gt;_&gt; [05:30] <Arrancar109> Why did Kubo even let this guy touch Bleach? [05:31] <Arrancar109> "Several things" doesn't make up for the entire product. [05:31] <Godismebot> Because he is the author of a very successful other manga [05:31] <Salubri> why does he let anyone touch bleach, all the anime fillers and video games, like does he even care about bleach, he lets people just destroy it [05:31] <Godismebot> though remind me to never read Reborn [05:31] <Mohrpheus> I tried God. [05:31] <Mohrpheus> Egh [05:31] <KuroAshi98> He probably feels as though his Bleach (the manga) is seen as clearly separate from the rest of the franchise [05:31] <Godismebot> The concept of Reborn never really interested me [05:31] <Arrancar109> Games are decent enough, Sal. Fans just don't know where canon starts and canon ends. [05:31] <KuroAshi98> So he'll be supportive and everything, but then believe, "Well as long as they're not altering my own creation..." [05:32] <Salubri> yea well hes the only one touching that and all of it aint gold either [05:32] <KuroAshi98> Kubo's story writing isn't his strength, stylised art, fights and creative characters is [05:32] <Salubri> well [05:32] <Arrancar109> That's true. [05:32] <Mohrpheus> I can drink to that. Er. [05:32] <Salubri> styling arts and fights maybe [05:33] <Salubri> creative characters i dont think so anymore, everyone is starting to look like everyone now. the 3rd seat of the 1st division looks like ginrei, the 6th seat of the 13th division looks like aizen [05:33] <Arrancar109> The worst thing about this is Thunderwitch is going to whine nonstop once we explain that we're keeping the novel information strictly on the novel pages. [05:34] <Godismebot> I really want Thunderwitch gone [05:34] <Arrancar109> Can't blame ya. [05:34] <Godismebot> and excuse me for this but Thunderwitch... more like Thunderbitch [05:34] <Arrancar109> I was tempted to block him on the spot. [05:34] <Godismebot> had to [05:34] <Salubri> no ill give it a section on the page entirely separate from the plot section [05:34] <KuroAshi98> Well, even with recent characters you have to admit out of the entire cast - there's a couple of character for any reader to find appealing [05:34] <Arrancar109> Urahara definitely. [05:34] <Salubri> yea if your 8 [05:35] <Arrancar109> Nobody can argue with that one. [05:35] <Arrancar109> Unless you're Sui-Feng. :p [05:35] <Godismebot> Everyone likes Urahara [05:35] <Godismebot> even Sui-Feng I bet [05:35] <Arrancar109> lol [05:35] <Mohrpheus> Sui-Feng is a pretentious bitch. [05:35] <Mohrpheus> ~ [05:35] <Mohrpheus> [05:35] <Arrancar109> Hurray for Sun's crack. :p [05:36] <KuroAshi98> Soifon is just tsunadere for Urahara xD [05:36] <Salubri> mohrp u missed the user who had a never to come on my page ranting about religious beliefs or some crap and i responded back very explanatory mind u and he told me i was wrong blah blah blah [05:36] <Salubri> nerve [05:36] <Mohrpheus> Oh god [05:37] <Godismebot> Oh yeah, people liked my response to that guy :) [05:37] <Godismebot> He wont be coming around here any longer [05:37] <Salubri> just because he couldnt rant incessantly about a talk page topic [05:37] <Arrancar109> Silverix? [05:37] <Godismebot> Yeah [05:37] <Mohrpheus> OH [05:37] <Mohrpheus> That guy [05:38] <KuroAshi98> Silverix? *looks up talk page* ..... [05:38] <Godismebot> I left him a nice parting message [05:38] <Salubri> this is what he said: How can anyone consider this a wiki if discussions are "closed" without any community consensus? This seems more like a police state than a wiki. This policy is in direct contradiction with the definition of a wiki. I think you should consider this. Case in point, Ichigo's talk page. Silverix (talk) 19:40, June 10, 2012 (UTC) [05:39] <Arrancar109> I remember that. [05:39] <Salubri> so sun responded to him on my page&gt; I left this user a message with a lengthy explanation that Wikis are based on facts not community consensus as fans opinions can blur out facts!! SunXia (Chat) 00:01,6/11/2012 [05:39] <Arrancar109> Sun explained it better than I ever could. [05:39] <Arrancar109> I'm sad to say. [05:39] <Salubri> Unfortunately, this is untrue. There was no definitive proof that he didn't have hollow powers either, nor were any additional points allowed to be made. There was no evidence of any name calling either. Being factual requires that you be scientific, which means you must be open to challenges to your beliefs. This means that ultimately, closing a discussion before it has turned into a flamewar is the same as religious dogma. It is one thing to say, no, "I'm not going to change that unless you show otherwise." It is another to say, "You can not talk about this any more points, shut up please.", if it were merely the former, then I could understand. However, the response has been the latter. You have refused to allow challenges to your beliefs. There are several points which could have been made, both philosophical and factual, but because the discussion is "closed", they can not be made. It is true that this wiki is designed to be factual, but you have made one grave mistake, you are not always right, and the community as a whole is most likely to be correct; this is the concept of a wiki, and why wikis have less errors than traditional encyclopaedias. We must sometimes admit that we are not sure. If we were to say, Ichigo was in love with either Rukia or Inoure, then this would be unobjective. But it is also unobjective to say that he either has hollow powers, or that he does not. Neither of which are definite. My (deleted) suggestion that we put Shinigami/Visored would be an accurate description regardless. [05:39] <Salubri> For example, Ginjo has stated, "I have a bit of hollow in me, too", which directly implies Ichigo has hollow powers. But this was discredited without explanation, and a challenge was not permitted. Further, it has been stated that the Zanpaktou and Hollow "merged" but a request for a reference to this has not been allowed. You should rethink your methods; I am confident that allowing reasonable discussions which do not involve flame or edit wars if allowed, would result in a greater accuracy of content. Silverix (talk) 00:20, June 11, 2012 (UTC) [05:40] <Godismebot> And then he tried to say he was going to report us to wikia [05:40] <Arrancar109> And you likely correctly predicted the response time and the response. [05:40] <Salubri> i had to literally break this done to respond [05:40] <Godismebot> I like "Further, it has been stated that the Zanpaktou and Hollow "merged" but a request for a reference to this has not been allowed" [05:40] <Godismebot> Did he not read the manga? [05:40] <Arrancar109> Clearly he didn't. [05:40] <Salubri> really i provided him with references too [05:41] <Mohrpheus> Glancing at God's post, I thought he said "Fuhrer" [05:41] <Arrancar109> Additionally, Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo share the same body originally anyway. [05:41] <Salubri> i almost laughed when i said this: It is true that this wiki is designed to be factual, but you have made one grave mistake, you are not always right, and the community as a whole is most likely to be correct; this is the concept of a wiki, and why wikis have less errors than traditional encyclopaedias. [05:41] <KuroAshi98> Lol his rant about closing discussions before being discussed reminds me of SeaTerror's little spree a week or two ago xD [05:42] <Arrancar109> Wow. [05:42] <Arrancar109> That guy was back? [05:42] <Salubri> less errors then traditional encyclopedia. wtf is he smoking [05:42] <Arrancar109> Everything? [05:42] <KuroAshi98> Who, ST? Yeah, he wanted to see how long it'd take before you guys banned him lol [05:43] <Arrancar109> Not long, clearly. [05:43] <Salubri> most colleges almost forbid the use of wikpedia i favor of actual peer reviewed sources. [05:43] <Godismebot> Yeah, SeaTerror has a history of being an annoying shit [05:44] <Arrancar109> One of the many people I was happy to permaban. :p [05:44] <KuroAshi98> Haha clearly he hit a soft spot on you God xD [05:44] <Godismebot> Many people have been annoying little shits lately [05:44] <Salubri> who was the guy i banned for harrassement and he was like he could make another account [05:45] <Godismebot> Oliverfalcon [05:45] <Godismebot> Apparently he doesnt know that MediaWiki has built in ways to detect these things [05:45] <Salubri> yea him got real pissy cause i didnt agree with his comments on the blog and stated my reasons why and he just went all agro [05:46] <Arrancar109> Something we need to remember: Opinions are opinions. [05:46] <Arrancar109> It's no reason to get personal. [05:46] <Arrancar109> Something most fans have trouble seeing these days. [05:46] <Salubri> i had an opinion that he was wrong and i stated why, it wasnt really personal [05:47] <Arrancar109> He got personal about it though. [05:47] <Salubri> logic and facts are all i used and then he tried to go at it with me and well [05:48] <Salubri> accused me of acting superior cause i was an admin, no im just superior to you in life jackass [05:48] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [05:49] <Salubri> i swear being a admin or mod on a wiki really makes your patience short and encourages your temper [05:49] <Arrancar109> Understandable. [05:49] <Salubri> i mean i try to remain unattached and just do my work, but no i get pulled in [05:50] <Arrancar109> We're the ones who usually make the rules, so it makes us the biggest targets of people who have a problem with the site's policies. [05:50] <Salubri> i really have no intention in getting involved if i really dont have to [05:50] <Arrancar109> Committee members are targeted after us, since they help enforce the policies. [05:50] <KuroAshi98> Lol ST's trying to get me to share his opinions with you guys &gt;_&gt; Gotta love being a medium between two parties haha [05:50] <Salubri> illusive admin is what im working for, cause if u do things just right no one knows you did anything at all [05:51] <Arrancar109> Where are you talking to him right now anyway? [05:51] <Arrancar109> lol [05:51] <Arrancar109> The words of the God-like supercomputer from Futurama, Sal. :p [05:51] <Salubri> yep [05:51] <KuroAshi98> Oh right, we're mates on the OP wiki lol [05:52] <Arrancar109> Tends to happen. What works for us doesn't work everywhere. If he's an admin, I'd get his problems with our way. [05:52] <Arrancar109> If he's not, then he's not used the way we do things here. [05:53] <Godismebot> No, he is just a little shit [05:53] <Arrancar109> Never said he wasn't. [05:53] <Godismebot> He refused to listen to my friend purely because he was VSTF [05:54] <Arrancar109> I can see him doing that. [05:54] <Salubri> boo hoo, i hate rules, why cant i make fan fiction on my page, why can upload loads of pointless images and never use them for anything, why cant i put fan fiction in the articles, why cant i say none of my favorite characters arent dead, why cant i make a page about how ichigo and orihime or rukia are in love. Why cant it all be manga content, why cant it all be anime content. Why cant i put content down with no references. Why cant i put pics wherever i want, why cant i spend all day talking on chat and talk pages about nothing. [05:54] <Arrancar109> lol [05:54] <Godismebot> Remember the person who wanted us to stop using anime images? [05:54] <KuroAshi98> He's not an admin, it's just on the OP wiki all decisions are made by the community and not the higher ups alone. [05:54] <KuroAshi98> Plus he knows how strict you guys can be, so he was just messing with you for fun unfortunately. [05:55] <Arrancar109> Yep. Look where it got him. [05:55] <Arrancar109> I almost never go back on my bans. [05:55] <Arrancar109> And this is not going to be an exception either. [05:55] <Godismebot> You can tell him that he was close to getting himself globally banned thanks to his stunts [05:55] <Arrancar109> Trolling for fun here can e costly. [05:56] <KuroAshi98> Well, he planned to get there so you guys just played into his hands lol [05:56] <KuroAshi98> I'm well aware each wiki is independent of each other, so I'm not going to start any wars over differences in policy [05:56] <Arrancar109> That's fine. [05:56] <KuroAshi98> Ehh, I doubt he'd get globally banned for that God. [05:56] <Arrancar109> Again, we're aware that what works for us doesn't work for everyone. [05:56] <Godismebot> For his attitude on central [05:56] <Godismebot> He was harassing people [05:56] <Arrancar109> That would definitely get him banned globally. [05:56] <Godismebot> which was close to getting him a global ban [05:56] <Arrancar109> Central is where all of staff hangs around. [05:57] <Arrancar109> You piss them off, you're not going to be editing any Wiki. [05:57] <Salubri> you know every wiki is different, but this one is about facts and these policies keep the content up to date, neat and organized. This is bar none the best manga/anime wiki at there. What is it they think about the quality of this site on central god? [05:57] <Godismebot> Staff don't comment on the quality of sites [05:57] <Arrancar109> Makes sense. [05:57] <Godismebot> but its clear what their favorite wikis are [05:58] <Arrancar109> They don't want to play favorites. [05:58] <Salubri> well not officically [05:58] <Arrancar109> Out loud, I should add. [05:58] <Arrancar109> :p [05:58] <Godismebot> MLP, Harry Potter, Glee, Muppets [05:58] <KuroAshi98> Alright~ alright~ I won't chase it, I don't really care much either way, I just know his history and he's survived much worse situations lol [05:58] <Salubri> but what was the general gist [05:58] <Arrancar109> Getting banned from the Wiki won't get you killed, lol. [05:58] <KuroAshi98> You guys have the benefit of no AWC edits, which helps a lot lol [05:58] <Arrancar109> It will just stop you from being able to edit anywhere. [05:58] <Arrancar109> Even if you try to do so anonymously. [05:58] <Godismebot> Staff think we are very independent and don't really want to involve themselves with anything here [05:59] <KuroAshi98> Haha I didn't mean 'survived' in that way xD I meant he's escaped perma-banning [05:59] <Salubri> they also know what they loose if we werent here too [05:59] <Godismebot> They are losing Pokemon Wiki [05:59] <Salubri> really [05:59] <Godismebot> which I am sure they are not happy about [05:59] <Arrancar109> What happened? [05:59] <Godismebot> Pokemon wiki is moving [05:59] <Salubri> to where [05:59] <Godismebot> Curse [05:59] <Arrancar109> What caused them to do so? [06:00] <Godismebot> Staff keep doing stuff on that wiki without their permission [06:00] <Arrancar109> Yeah, that would do it. [06:00] <KuroAshi98> I only know about Bulbapedia, never been to the wiki version &gt;_&gt; [06:00] <Godismebot> Bulbapedia is far superior [06:00] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [06:01] <Godismebot> Though I had to explain the concept of fair use to one of their admins [06:01] <Godismebot> He thought they owned their images [06:01] <Arrancar109> Heh. [06:01] <Arrancar109> Yeah, Fair Use is required here. [06:01] <Godismebot> He went to pokemon wiki trying to get them to take down their images [06:01] <Godismebot> So I gave him a long speech explaining fair use [06:02] <KuroAshi98> Seriously? Wow.... [06:02] <Arrancar109> I can believe that. [06:02] <Salubri> all i know is every wiki is different, the fact is ive been here since the beginning and the consensus thing just doesnt really work here. The community here has never been that involved to comment unless its a blog or a poll. When you actively ask people to have an opinion very few respond to it. So we had to change to a more corporate structure if u will and it works. [06:02] <Godismebot> Pokemon wiki calls me in to deal with their shit occasionally [06:02] <Arrancar109> Some site editors are proud of the images they find/capture, so I can understand why they would be upset. [06:03] <Arrancar109> Not saying I agree with them, but I understand it. [06:03] <Godismebot> Speaking of actively asking, check out Talk:Manga [06:03] <Godismebot> see what you guys think [06:03] <KuroAshi98> Yeah that's probably why the whole community vote thing works in OP, cause we've got around 20+ active contributors [06:03] <KuroAshi98> Anyway, I forgot if I asked this earlier but is anyone here thinking of going to Comic-Con for that wiki representative event? [06:03] <Arrancar109> I can see where you're going with this. [06:04] <Arrancar109> Can't. [06:04] <Godismebot> I live way far from Comic Con [06:04] <Salubri> me too [06:04] <Godismebot> I had considered going to Wikimania [06:04] <Godismebot> but Wikia is giving speeches on Chat and Message Wall there [06:04] <Arrancar109> Ugh. [06:04] <Arrancar109> Message Wall. [06:05] <Arrancar109> Pseudo Facebook still annoys me. [06:05] <Godismebot> The title of the Message Wall presentation is "Message Wall- A talk page is an outdated Message Wall" [06:05] <Salubri> unless the speech is we are discontinuing the message wall and upgrading chat i dont care [06:05] <Mohrpheus> Pfft [06:05] <Arrancar109> I got a better title. [06:05] <Arrancar109> Message Wall - Our attempt in becoming Pseudo Facebook [06:05] <Godismebot> Chat is really bad to begin with. IRC is still superior [06:06] <Salubri> Message Wall - Our attempt at ripping off mark zukerbergs intellectual property [06:06] <Arrancar109> lol [06:06] <Mohrpheus> You'd think that a chat function would be easier to implement without breaking [06:06] <Salubri> see how they like a lawsuit from a billionaire [06:06] <KuroAshi98> I'm in an entirely different country, but I'll probably try going for it next year lol [06:06] <Arrancar109> It still bugs me that Staff asks for feedback and ignore the vast majority of people who have a problem with their moves and listen to the small minority that barely even like it at all. [06:06] <Arrancar109> Australia? [06:07] <KuroAshi98> Bingo~ [06:07] <Godismebot> Thats what people always tell them [06:07] <Godismebot> but they think they are listening [06:07] <Arrancar109> ANd, of course, they never listen. [06:07] <Salubri> yea well this chat is years away from being yahoo messenger [06:07] <Arrancar109> AIM, Yahoo, MSN, etc. [06:08] <Godismebot> IRC is still the best form of communication [06:08] <Mohrpheus> Though admittedly, it has been a help. Though, I don't know how much communication has taken place outside the wiki before. [06:08] <Salubri> two cups connected by string is better then this [06:08] <KuroAshi98> Being computer-illiterate, what is IRC? [06:08] <Godismebot> Thats why the ##wikia irc channel is still the place to go if you want actual help [06:08] <Arrancar109> lol [06:08] <Godismebot> IRC is internet relay chat, basically the internets built in chat room [06:08] <Salubri> So god is anything good coming from them updating mediawiki [06:08] <Arrancar109> Sal, maybe you and I should connect two cups and string between our two houses, so we can talk about important administrator stuff. :p [06:09] <Salubri> yay im down for that [06:09] <KuroAshi98> Ahh fair enough then~ [06:09] <Godismebot> Yeah, I have to check the list again but 1.19 actually has some good features [06:09] <Godismebot> And hopefully gadgets will be enabled [06:09] <Salubri> finally something that we need [06:09] <Godismebot> I SOOOO want gadgets [06:09] <Salubri> any good admin stuff [06:09] <Salubri> ? [06:09] <Mohrpheus> Will it have a ping? [06:10] <KuroAshi98> Ah...pings those are fun to abuse xD [06:10] <Arrancar109> lol [06:10] <Godismebot> Ever seen how I do a lot of stuff with JS and CSS? [06:10] <Arrancar109> Yep. [06:10] <KuroAshi98> There's some third-party programs (or 'chat hacks') which lets you apply a ping-system [06:10] <Godismebot> Gadgets is a mediawiki extension that would allow me to give you code to place on a gadget page and then everyone on the site could then enable or disable that code for themselves in their preferences [06:11] <KuroAshi98> Last night someone used one that responded when you used certain words, in his case 'tion' (his name) [06:11] <KuroAshi98> but it responded to any word with 'tion' in it [06:11] <Godismebot> So in one page, we could put the code for Auto refreshing recent changes and anyone who wanted to activate that could activate that for themselves without having to mess with the js [06:11] <KuroAshi98> Needless to say, I had fun with that xD [06:11] <Godismebot> Kuro, I use a modified version of chat hacks [06:12] <Godismebot> I made my chat look more like IRC [06:12] <Godismebot> Let me get a screenshot [06:12] <KuroAshi98> Okay~ [06:12] <Salubri> i feel like in the past couple of years ive had to do more coding then necessary for normal wiki editor [06:13] <Salubri> then again i guess i surpassed normal wiki editor some time ago [06:13] <Godismebot> You are good with pretty much all the stuff I am not good with :) [06:13] <Godismebot> I suck with tables and navboxes and stuff like that [06:13] <Arrancar109> You're both better than me at those things. [06:13] <Salubri> yea well basic trail and error [06:13] <Salubri> i mess with it till it works for me [06:14] <Arrancar109> Makes sense. [06:14] <Salubri> its time consuming though [06:14] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [06:14] <Arrancar109> Definitely. [06:14] <Arrancar109> Correcting the flaws takes time. [06:15] <Salubri> yea it does collapsible tables, rounded edges, infoboxes w/colors [06:16] <Godismebot> Kuro, this is how my chat looks. It is chat hacks + my own code for irc formatting [06:16] <Godismebot> http://imgur.com/g7d3u [06:16] <Salubri> and the main page well that was a great labor [06:17] <Arrancar109> @God: Better than what we've got [06:17] <Arrancar109> @Sal: Definitely. [06:17] <Arrancar109> Multiple templates made, and a lot of organization required for it. [06:18] <Salubri> be thankful i excel at organization, otherwise this will still look all like the old days remember them [06:18] <Arrancar109> Ugh. Don't remind me. [06:18] <KuroAshi98> Ahhh, looks decent enough - lack of avatars is a bit strange to me but that's probably cause I'm used to them lol [06:18] <Arrancar109> Of everyone on this site, Sal and I are the old geezers. :p [06:19] <Salubri> then ultimate betrayed us for the narutopedia and took everyones best friend dantman with him [06:19] <KuroAshi98> Haha that must make me the newest child xD [06:19] <Godismebot> Ugggh, Dantman is the most unpleasant person to work with ever [06:19] <Salubri> god loves dantman [06:19] <Arrancar109> lol [06:19] <Salubri> hes your best friend [06:20] <Godismebot> I have had so many bad encounters with that dude [06:20] <Salubri> wow he actually does work [06:20] <Arrancar109> Heh. [06:20] <Salubri> i thought he just put his name on all the anime wiki [06:20] <Godismebot> There was a forum question on central about tagsync, so I am on IRC and I say hey Dantman, can you answer this question? His response "I don't do that anymore" [06:21] <Salubri> bad encounters thats cause you go all over the place, instead of staying here like the rest of us [06:21] <Godismebot> "You are a central admin, its your job" "I don't do that" [06:22] <Salubri> he created that tagsync stuff u know how much of that old outdated templates and coding i got rid and replaced. All that was his crap [06:23] <Godismebot> Oh and the best part of Dantman was that when the wikia irc channel was casting votes for new channel operators, Dantman wanted to be an op, even though he never talks nor does he edit on wikis anylonger [06:24] <Salubri> power freak [06:24] <Arrancar109> Of course. [06:26] <Salubri> wasnt an update something about premade tempaltes or something [06:27] <Godismebot> I dont remember anything like that [06:29] <KuroAshi98> Whose played the ps3 Bleach game? [06:29] <Salubri> ohh maybe someone mentioned it on the page or something [06:29] <Godismebot> I did Kuro [06:29] <Arrancar109> Me too. [06:29] <Salubri> i did [06:30] <Salubri> its kind hard i dont even have a quarter of the trophies [06:30] <Godismebot> I think I got somewhere around 50% [06:30] <Godismebot> but I played a lot [06:30] <Arrancar109> Yeah, it takes a lot to get the trophies. [06:30] <Salubri> they could do better with that game [06:30] <KuroAshi98> I didn't really play it much, but I had a friend over last week and in a couple of hours we got Ichigo from Lvl. 43 to Lvl. 158 [06:31] <Salubri> really [06:31] <Godismebot> Yeah, Ichigo can be easy to level [06:31] <Salubri> lol [06:31] <KuroAshi98> Combine that with Final Form Ichigo, and damn it's just murder, murder, murder everywhere xD [06:31] <Godismebot> I think Gin was the hardest for me [06:31] <Salubri> i spend most of the time playing Mass Effect 3 multiplayer its so awesome [06:31] <KuroAshi98> Gin? &gt;_&gt; Lvl. 1..... [06:31] <Godismebot> I played so much ME3 Multiplayer [06:31] <Salubri> really [06:32] <Godismebot> I got all my classes to lvl 20 [06:32] <Salubri> u any good [06:32] <KuroAshi98> My gold membership ran out, so I haven't been able to play it much since :/ [06:32] <Salubri> mee too [06:32] <KuroAshi98> Any of the DLC worth while? [06:32] <Godismebot> Not really [06:32] <Godismebot> I need to renew my gold membership [06:33] <KuroAshi98> I need to get a job to pay for a gold membership lol [06:33] <Arrancar109> Jobs help. [06:33] <Godismebot> Speaking of jobs, my boss burnt my arm to hell today [06:33] <Salubri> workmens comp [06:33] <Godismebot> lol [06:34] <Salubri> job related injury [06:34] <Godismebot> Burns are commonplace when you work in a restaurant [06:34] <Arrancar109> Very true. [06:34] <Salubri> thats what they want u to think [06:34] <Arrancar109> lol [06:34] <Salubri> what restaurant burger king [06:35] <KuroAshi98> Lol it's just a giant conspiracy isn't it Sal? xD [06:35] <Godismebot> A local italian restaurant [06:35] <Salubri> burn yourself making a whopper [06:35] <Salubri> i love italian [06:36] <Godismebot> My boss got bored so he came over to help do pizzas, I go to throw one in after him and he closes the oven door on my arm because he didnt see me [06:36] <Salubri> you make your pasta fresh there? [06:36] <Godismebot> Yeah, we make our own dough [06:36] <Salubri> nice [06:36] <Salubri> is everything fresh or just some stuff [06:37] <Godismebot> We make pretty much everything ourselves [06:37] <Salubri> so u got a regular oven and not a brick oven [06:37] <Godismebot> Its stone [06:37] <Godismebot> Which I think cooks the pizza better than brick [06:37] <Salubri> they do [06:38] <Salubri> american style pizza or italian [06:38] <Godismebot> Both, you can order however you like [06:38] <Godismebot> We can do thick crust, thin crust, red, white [06:38] <Salubri> deep dish [06:38] <Godismebot> Ive done a deep dish for a guy before [06:39] <Arrancar109> It's a good thing I ate. You guys would be making me hungry. :p [06:39] <Salubri> thats alot of food, its odd too putting the cheese on the bottom [06:39] <Godismebot> Some of the orders I have had to make were ridiculous [06:39] <Salubri> im pretty simple i like pepperoni and/or bacon. straight pork pizza lol [06:40] <Salubri> usually thin crust [06:40] <Arrancar109> God, let me know if you get an Orihime-styled order. :p [06:40] <Godismebot> One guy ordered a large pepperoni, mushroom, green pepper, onion, tomato, black olive, spinach, ham, bacon, red pepper, artichoke, turkey and 1 anchovie [06:41] <Salubri> ok wait a minute. i was with this until Turkey and 1 anchovie [06:41] <Salubri> what the hell [06:41] <Godismebot> oh and sausage too [06:41] <Godismebot> forgot about the sausage [06:42] <Salubri> weird [06:43] <Arrancar109> Yeah. [06:45] <Godismebot> We had another person who tried something like that [06:45] <Godismebot> but with a thin crust... [06:45] <Godismebot> it didnt work [06:45] <Salubri> obviously [06:46] <Salubri> you ever make one with peanut butter [06:46] <Godismebot> No, thankfully [06:47] <Godismebot> As strange as pizzas are there, cooking there can get stranger [06:48] <Salubri> how [06:48] <Godismebot> I have only cooked a few nights but people want the stangest things [06:49] <Godismebot> One person wanted a Chicken Parm with no red sauce but wanted our garlic sauce instead and wanted ricotta cheese [06:49] <Arrancar109> Definitely. [06:49] <Arrancar109> Weird. [06:49] <Salubri> eww [06:50] <Salubri> must have been pregnant [06:50] <Godismebot> I have no idea [06:54] <Arrancar109> You guys think it's weird that I don't like coleslaw, egg salad, or potato salad? [06:54] <Godismebot> I dont like any of those either [06:55] <Arrancar109> Finally! I'm not the only one! :) [06:56] <Godismebot> Not a fan of anything with mayo [06:56] <Arrancar109> I can eat very few things with mayo on them, but yeah, I'm not a fan of mayo either. [06:57] <Salubri> me either