Bleach Wiki talk:Manual of Style/Archive 1

Capitalization
Might I suggest adding "Location Names" and "Human" to the list of words to be capitalized? I've noticed that some corrections were made by admins to correct things like to Just a thought. SerialSniper14 06:24, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * "a human from Karakura Town..."
 * "a Human from Karakura Town..."

As Shinigami, Vizard, Arrancar and Hollow all have this, I too think it's a good idea. TomServo101 12:06, December 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the suggestions. I've added them, as well as technique names. -- Yyp  (Talk)  12:31, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Do we want to consider "Ryoka" to be a word always capitalized? SerialSniper14 (Talk)  18:37, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Page Edits - Powers & Abilities
We're missing Strategist/Tactician and Scientist/Inventor, though the latter seems limited only to Kisuke Urahara and Mayuri Kurotsuchi.

I'm also wondering if we should either establish the difference between them and Intellect, or just include them as subcategories of it? What are the criteria for Strategist and Tactician, anyway? Because a standard dictionary definiton would restrict strategy to a wide-ranging plan that encompasses the entirety of a given battle/war, while tactics pertain to obtaining the objective(s) set by the strategy. According to those definitions, the only characters who would actually qualify for Strategist are Yamamoto and Aizen, as the overall commanders of their respective sides. MarqFJA 13:12, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Universe perspective
I think it would be valuable to clarify in the section on perspective whether or not the in-universe wording applies to only the text or also the subtext under images.

If we can not list the episode/chapter source number underneath a thumbnail description, should we include this information on the file's description page? +Yc 00:11, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * No out of universe statements anywhere on any page, its as simple as that. Any uploaded image needs licensing, which includes the episode/manga chapter and page.--

I don't think it is so extreme as "any page". We should clarify which pages should be in-universe and which pages should not be. Volume 1 for example opens with "THE DEATH AND THE STRAWBERRY is the first volume of the Bleach manga series." which is out of universe as it references the number.

While it already says "These articles include all character, location, abilities articles." I think it would be good to give contrary examples like "This doesn't include chapter and episode articles".

Also the statement "Basically, any article that has information that is based around the contents of the site is an in-universe article." seems overly broad, since 'contents of the site' sounds like it would include chapters/eps. +Yc 00:18, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Capitalization (Cont.)
I noticed a older thread, so I thought I would start I newer one. Could we add Reiatsu, Reishi, and Reiryoku to the list? I was told by Xil that they were capitalized, and other users change it back and forth. Either way, we need a firm agreement on this- a lot of my edits may be a waste and need correction.

01:25, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I would argue no. Reiatsu and reishi should not be capitalized as they are words for the spirit energy of souls. They aren't techniques. They may be used in techniques, but they aren't the actual techniques themselves.

Hmm. I don't have the best reasoning here, but they look better capitalized. It always looked like it would be capitalized, even in the manga. I have wasted so much time with edits here.... I wish someone would have told me a while ago! X( Is Gigai capitalized? 01:32, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Also, it then confuses me as to why Hogyoku is capitalized. 01:41, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, it should be
 * 1) The Hogyoku is considered to have a will of its own so technically it is a sort of living entity
 * 2) To elaborate on the reiatsu and reishi things, they are not proper nouns either. We only capitalize words if they are unique to an object or species or whatever. Reiatsu and reishi are two words used interchangably to describe the same thing.

There goes a lot of my edits... Time to revert... So many to do... I am surprised no one caught on to this earlier. XP 01:49, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I always capitalize words like Zanpakutō, Reiatsu, etc because they are a unique part of the series and important within the story!!

I agree with that. It doesn't seem right not capitalized. 10:52, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Ok to end this rampant conversation to nowhere most committee members already are aware that while the policies in general are subject to change the manual of style is solely under the authority of the admin due to its role as being the founding article to which all rules, regulations and guidelines for the wiki are based on. Having said that its perfectly acceptable for special terms important to the content of the wiki to be capitalized. What I think the real argument is about is in what context should the capitalization happen rather then what should be allowed to be capitalized at all. Someone should come up with a format showing when such action is acceptable and when its not necessary. That format can then be the bases for what we use to determine in what point in the articles or articles the capitalization of a word can be used with or not.--

Rewrite/Expansion of the MoS
So I have decided to do a revision of the Manual of Style to clarify a few things and expand on certain details. You can find it here. Feel free to edit it if you feel it needs to be changed.

Power Level
It was recently brought to attention, that how we as a site determine the proof and thus the level of a characters power. So to redefine this section here are Some points that should qualify as proof of a power level are:


 * defeating an opponent whose power level has been established in a fair fight,
 * being able to cast multiple Kido spells without tiring or using high-levels ones without tiring (with or without incantation).
 * fighting and defeating multiple enemies of a certain power level simultaneously with ease.

This is a basic list with no major outstanding points. This list is the basic's of the points that are not proof of ones power.


 * Beating someone who has a bankai when the other opponent is considerably powerful themselves is not proof of power (unless the opponent in question is obvious leagues above the other).
 * Beating someone with a extreme disadvantage is not proof of the greatness of ones power.

These are just some points. The reasoning behind this is to bring together some basic criteria to use when determining whats expectable in a power level. Also to another point Captain-level has been consistently used as the primary pinnacle of the power level in the bleach universe. Having said that we use Immense and Great to denote the varying levels of a captain-class combatant. While Aizen and Yamamoto would be considered Immense, it does not take away from the definition of great. It may mean average captain but its still captain-class. Sui-feng is ranked great because her skill is not in overbearing power its in subtle usage of her skill set (not counting bankai). This should be emphasized in the changes as well. So any thoughts or additions, so that a cohesive view can be maintained would be good.--


 * I agree with the above, I think the emphasis on fair fight is needed as there are times people have tricky abilities which do not deem them powerful but give them almost cheat-like abilities to win a battle!! Defeating someone weakened or with a disadvantage I would not deem powerful like stealing Bankai, hmmmmm!!
 * Indeed, it would be helpful to have this guide to make sure power levels are donked over.
 * I recall how a lot of the power levels on characters articles had to be changed from Immense to Great because some people had previously decided they wanted the power level to reflect their opinion of a character and not that character's actual power level. The distinct definitions suggested here are something we definitely need so the aforementioned crap doesn't occur anymore. Additionally, I'm the one who came up with those first three proofs, so I'd be crazy to not support this.--Xilinoc (talk) 19:03, October 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * I do agree that the system could use a bit of a facelift. However, there are a few things I think need to be addressed when considering this, such as "What exactly constitutes a fair fight?" As is, all of the character power levels seem to be at an appropriate level, though the justifications need adjustment. I have never gotten the impression that characters with Great spiritual power are weak or anything. The system is inherently based on comparison with a few baselines, after all. Also, I have some caveats with the last two bullets: if we are not taking Bankai into account when someone manages to beat it, and if we are not taking it into account someone is beaten while theirs is stolen (the most relevant disadvantage at the moment), then how do we take it into consideration? Mohrpheus   (Talk)  20:40, October 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Generally Speaking a captain vs another captain why would we take a bankai into account to verify whether or not their powerful. Now in other words Zaraki vs. a captain or two with banaki thats a big deal, it showcases his power. Secondly beating someone at a disadvantage says more about their situation then it says about the opponents strength. Example: Yama was laying down grievously injured and Aizen was gonna attempt to kill him, that doesnt mean we list Aizen is powerful because of that, maybe if he had anything to do with why Yama was down then i could see that being a possible case.--

As I was in the chat for most of the discussion leading up to this, I certainly agree that the system for determining a power level needs improvement. Above all else (though I think this was dealt with slightly) "vast" does not have the best definition. "Vast" and "Immense" are equivalent, and whether someone can control their power isn't a testament of how powerful they are. That aside, the bullet points presented above seem to be the ideal standard at the moment.

Although I have not been in chat as much I should have been, I've been here long enough to know that this remains an issue. I have been here since 2009, and although its not as ridiculous as it used to be, its still an issue that needs to be addressed. Although we might get the subtitles, the majority of our audience will not. Its not so much dumbing it down as making it more accessible to our reader's understanding.-- 00:24, October 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Placed the content up on the page, after going through the most powered characters articles to determine what criteria to use. As you all should know by now "Vast" is no longer used and only Immense is used now. Did my best to make sure that it was clear.--


 * I have read over everything and I completely agree with the additions to the Manual of Style!! Upon request I am now closing and Archiving this!!