Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner

The Translation Corner is a place where a group of users can get together and help maintain the wiki by keeping it up to date on the actual translations of the various names, abilities, techniques and etc. found in the Bleach Universe.

Purpose of Project
The purpose of this project, as stated above, aims to help the site stay accurate in actual translations of the information used on site. The project will aim to give clear and concise information of translation for all the Japanese/Spanish/German phrases, techniques and general content that have transpired in the Bleach universe.

Associate Members

 * Adam Restling (Japanese)
 * MarqFJA (Japanese)
 * (Japanese)
 * Lia Schiffer (Spanish)

References & Sources

 * Kanji-to-English:
 * Tangorin
 * Mahou Kanji Dictionary
 * Kanji Networks
 * OldNihongo.J-Talk.Com
 * Basic Japanese verbal data: The imperative inflection of Japanese verbs

How the Corner Works
The usage of the corner is very simple. The page is set up in four sections.


 * Contentious Translations: If a translation is questioned at all, that should be brought up in this section. In this way a translator, committee member or admin can explain why the translation is used or conversation can take place for translations that are harder to classify.


 * Zanpakutō (names, release calls, etc.): This section is for requests for translation of zanpakuto and zanpakuto related translations.


 * Character and element (e.g. devices) names: This section is for requests for translation of characters/techniques/equipment and general key words.


 * General/Other translation issues (e.g. conjugation/miscellanea): This section is for requests about translations that dont fit any particular criteria such as conjugation or such things such as accents used in the names.

AssociateBox
Ok folks I have finally gotten around to makeing the Associate Box. You can put it on your user page using the command. Below is what the box looks like. Tinni  (Talk)  14:37, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Komamura's Bankai
A mod sent me here to ask this, I posted it on Talk:Sajin_Komamura first:

Myouou -> Vidyaraja

Kokujou -> Naraka

Kokujou is the Japanese term for Buddhist hell. And Naraka is Buddhist hell. Also Kalasutra sounds like Kamasutra, which is awful. Just type "Kalasutra" in Google, it returns "Did you mean KAMASUTRA?". But most importantly this page explains it better:

http://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/naraka/index.html

"Naraka or Niraya (Tib: dmyal.ba) is the name given to one of the worlds of greatest suffering, usually translated into English as "hell" or "purgatory"." Xcetron (talk) 02:47, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Im not sure what the question is or point your attempting to bring up.

Kokujō Tengen Myō'ō (黒縄天譴明王, Vidyaraja of Kalasutra's Heavenly Punishment; Viz "Divine Retribution, Black Ropes of Ruination")

Vidyaraja are the third level of the Buddhist pantheon they are Wisdom Kings who are the embodiment of the wheel of injunction and teach through fear, shocking nonbelievers into faith. Kalasutra is the one of the hot "hells/naraka" of Buddhism.

Im not understanding your meaning seeing as you didnt seem to make the connection to what kalasutra was comparing it to kamasutra (which is completely unrelated and not awful) secondly the translation is correctly given its deeper meaning is something only Kubo as the writer would know. We cant make assumptions to what his intention was and this topic has been done over to death by various users and translators. Hence your not really presenting stuff thats not already known. Is this a translation issue at all?--Salubri (Talk)  03:25, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try to explain it better. What I mean is that Kokujou means Hell, and Hell means Naraka. And that Kalasutra is one of the "Hot Narakas" of Hell(Naraka), like it says here:

http://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/naraka/index.html

"Cold Narakas Each lifetime in these Narakas is twenty times the length of the one before it.
 * Arbuda and – the "blister" Naraka
 * Nirarbuda and – the "burst blister" Naraka
 * Atata and – the Naraka of shivering
 * Hahava and – the Naraka of lamentation
 * Huhuva and – the Naraka of chattering teeth
 * Utpala and – the "blue lotus" Naraka
 * Padma and – the "lotus" Naraka
 * Mahapadma and – the "great lotus" Naraka

Hot Narakas So what I mean is that it should be Naraka not one of the "Hot Narakas". Xcetron (talk) 10:45, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sanjiva and – the "reviving" Naraka.
 * Kalasutra and – the "black thread" Naraka.
 * Samghata and – the "crushing" Naraka.
 * Raurava and – the "screaming" Naraka.
 * Maharaurava and – the "great screaming" Naraka.
 * Tapana and – the "heating" Naraka.
 * Pratapana and – the "great heating" Naraka.
 * Avici and – the "uninterrupted" Naraka."

I think there is some confusion here we arent in the business of changing around translation meanings for kicks. This what the translation is. All that you have said is that you wanna change the hell. Kubo decides whats the terms used. When its even incorrect spanish, he doesnt speak spanish so its still correct when he does it cause he wrote it that way and thats what the site follows. If he wants to use Kalasutra then thats what it is regardless if its not one of the ones you want. Also you still had not made a point your saying basically that it shouldnt be a naraka but a naraka. Which doesn't make sense.--Salubri (Talk)  13:11, July 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * I dunno exactly what the issue is here (if there really is any issue at all), but since I was the first one (I believe) to volunteer the element Kalasutra here, I thought it important to weigh in.


 * Japanese kokujou means "black rope(s)", and is the Japanese translation of Kalasutra, derived from the Sanskrit elements kala- "black" and sutra- "warp, thread". The latter, I *think*, is related to English sew. Kalasutra is, as reiterated above, one of the hot Narakas (Buddhist Hells). When referring to his version of Hell, though, Kubo usu. uses the Sino-Japanese name Jigoku, referring to the di yu or "earth prison" of that set of beliefs. But, often, the two are blended and somewhat interchangeable. But Kalasutra is certainly not "Hell" as in "the only Hell/Naraka", so I don't get the problem.


 * Everybody's favorite sex manual, the  Kama sutra, combines Sanskrit kama- "love" with the same element sutra- (apparently, here, to be understood as shorthand for "threaded-together pages of the book"), and is far more widely known.


 * My point is this: Kubo uses lots of elements draw from Buddhism and the like, though translated, in BLEACH.  Enma koorogi references Yama Raja, and myouou is a translation ("wisdom king") of vidyaraja. Thus, in keeping with this, I likewise glossed kokujou as "Kalasutra". So there doesn't actually seem to be any problem at all. But no, Kokujou is not a Japanese catch-all for "Hell"; these are usu. furnished by either Jigoku or the phonetically-adapted Naraku.
 * If I somehow missed something, please post here with your feedback :). Adam Restling (talk) 19:59, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, if you would answer some doubts I have it would be great. I read here various things about the bankai's translation. Two of them were:

1)Myouou -> Vidyaraja

"Myouou is the Sino-Japanese translation, "enlightened/illumined king," of the Sanskrit vidyarājā "wisdom king."" - Salubri

Some more info about Vidyaraja:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_King

2)Kokujou -> Naraka

"Kokujou is the Japanese name for the Buddhist hell--or Naraka--" - Salubri

So that's why in the first place I stated those two points. And then I mentioned Kalasutra being one of the "Hot Narakas", since Naraka means hell as stated here:

http://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/naraka/index.html

"Naraka or Niraya (Tib: dmyal.ba) is the name given to one of the worlds of greatest suffering, usually translated into English as "hell" or "purgatory"."

So shouldn't it be "Kokujou(Naraka) Tengen(Divine Punishment) Myouou(Vidyaraja)". In other words "Vidyaraja of Naraka's Divine Punishment". Xcetron (talk) 11:25, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

In this case as Adam explained 'Kalasutra' is the japanese translation of 'Kokujo' and the reason its used is to designate a specific hell where as using 'naraka' is like using the blanket term for hell, which is not what Kubo is saying. If you read the above Adam clearly explains why Kalasutra is used over the term Naraka. The meaning of Kokujo is 'black rope' and Kalasutra (black thread) is the actual definition of a specific naraka in this case, Kokujo means to be more specific Kalasutra. To place it as you suggest would be making a broad statement of many kinds of hells when a specific one is given in the translation.--Salubri (Talk)  15:23, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Hadou #88

 * Shouldn't it be Hiryūgekizokushintenraihō, not Hiryugekizokushintenraiho, because that is the current title on its page and the Kidou list.
 * Master D (talk) 18:02, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Volume 50 Poem
Could anyone help me translate this please?

From Ichimaru-TsangHay Jing Tsang (talk) 15:13, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Bleach Bleach Official Character Book 2 MASKED Poem
Could anyone help me translate this please?

From Ichimaru-TsangHay Jing Tsang (talk) 14:52, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Senjū Kōten Taihō
A user placed the below as the kanji and romaji for Senju Koten Taiho's incantation. Can we have a confirmation?-- "(千手の涯, 届かざる闇の御手, 映らざる天の射手! 光を落とす道, 火種を煽る風! 集い手惑うな, 我が指を見よ! 光弾・八身・九条・天経・症宝・大輪・灰色の砲塔! 弓引く彼方, 皎皎どして消ゆ!, Senjuu no hate, todokazaru yami no mite, utsurazaru ten no ite! Hikari wo otozu michi, hidane wo aoru kaze! Tsudoi temadou na, waga yubi wo miyo! Koudan, hasshin, kujou, tenkei, shippou, dairin, haiironohoutou! Yumihiku kanata, koukou toshite kiyu!) "


 * Sounds all well and good... --Reikson (talk) 00:28, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Tenken's Special Ability
Someone on Komamura's talk page brought up that Tenken's ability is described as being able to summon any giant limb, even though it has only ever been used to summon arms. Does his page from MASKED mention anything about the ability that could clear this up? Mohrpheus  (Talk)  16:18, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Byakuya's Blood Type
This page from Unmasked apparently says that Byakuya's blood type is AB as opposed to the previous O which was given in past databooks. Can I get a confirmation on this please.--

Technique Names
I was holding off posting this so as not to flood the corner with too much stuff, but I'm posting it now so I don't forget about it altogether. Apologies for the deluge. In the "Special Program" section of UNMASKED, there are a number of pages listing technique names dating back to the start of the story (pictures 5-12 above). Take your time with this. There's a lot of stuff there, so no rush. 10:22, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I showed spanish speaking friend a scan of the first page from picture 5 from unmasked. She translated palma plancha as "iron palm", hierro virgen as "iron virgin", jaula tentaculo as "tentacle cage", la helice as "the propeller" she didn't feel comfortable giving a translation for lanza tentaculo, and lengua tronco. Likely because we'd started doing shots by then.Licourtrix (talk) 11:20, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Can someone confirm these? Mad Rest 11:19, July 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll try to confirm these--and seek out *dem* precious underlying Kanji for the techniques--very soon. My summer vacation is almost here :) :) :) !


 * And you're almost surely right in your suggestions re: some of the romanizations, e.g. how der should prob. be del... of course, most of these compounds are grammatically incorrect as Kubo usu. is... this also, I believe, happened in MASKED when Zommari's technique was romanized Amore (Italian for "love") rather than Amor (the Spanish form).


 * P.S. Hope you don't mind, but I removed some of the massive blank space between the above post's two paragraphs, since the list of names is already pretty long. :) Adam Restling (talk) 11:34, July 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * First lot of work is here. Adam Restling (talk) 21:28, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Bringer Light translation
Excuse me, but I was reading the Fullbring Article, I cannot seem to find the kanji or katakana for Bringer Light, and if I were to get it wrong, it would be undone. What did the raw manga call "Bringer Light" accurately? Dekoshu talk contrib 03:15, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ulquiorra's Past & Harribel's Fate
Okay, here's what she gave me for Ulquiorra. The -- indicate seperate panels

The one about Harribel is significantly longer so she's giving that to me tommorrow.

Here are the translations for Harribel's story. She said it would take her a while to give me exact page by page translations because of all the Bleach words that are used in Kanji, but she'd give me the most important things from the translation today.

That's what she gave me so far.

Note: In the Harribel section, Raikoben forgot to copy my link. "His name is Kukkapūro (クッカプーロ）"; "His" refers to Him. JapaneseOPfan  :: Talk    04:19, July 28, 2011 (UTC)