Forum:"In debt"

"He then claims that they are in debt to Urahara and, surprisingly, to Aizen."

This is a Japanese expression - when a warrior says that he "owes someone one" from the past, that isn't necessarily a good thing. It can be a promise to repay good for good, but it can also be a promise to repay ill for ill. A better translation would be that he says they have to settle the score with Aizen. -Moritheil 09:21, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

It was Aizen who gave them this power, and in a way, awakened them to how SS really is, so in an ironic way, maybe they do owe him; it was likely a facetious thank you to Aizen, maybe to Urahara too; coz of him they're stuck like this. TomServo101 10:11, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Excuse me? How SS really is? Whatever do you mean? I doubt how they were treated came as a revelation to the vizards and if you think of it from the point of view of room 46 the decision they made was correct based on the information they had. Kensei HAD gone on a rampage and with everybody thinking Urahara was at fault for the hollowfication meant that the only person who could have "done something" was the the one person they couldn't turn to/trust. So the decision Room 46 made was for the greater good of SS and the only one they could have made in their situation, given the information they had. We knew Aizen was at fault, Room 46 didn't. In hindsight we knew that the "hollowfication" isn't the end of the world and is a condition that can be managed, even used to your advantage. Room 46 did not. This is something Shinji most likely understands, which is why he told Yamamoto that he has no grudge against them. Not to say Vizards don't have issues with their old comrades but I rather doubt any of them have an active dislike of SS. The wording does need to be changed, at least the word "surprisingly" dropped because it's clearly giving a wrong impression of matter AND feeding fandom bullshit that insists on painting SS and Room 46 as the "bad guys". Seriously, hasn't anyone had to make a critical decision based on limited information before? Tinni 08:23, September 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Who cares?--Licourtrix 16:18, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Well Urahara did his best its either that or become hollows and ramapge like all hollows do plus it made them stronger and was useful in beating barragan. Those vizard powers are bad investment on Aizens part and a good one on Urahara part seeing as if it weren't for Hachi Soifon would be bones right now.Seeing as Shinji tried to cut Aizen, Moritheil maybe  right about the repay ill for illpart.Saimaroimaru 02:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Shinji did make Aizen his lieutenant during the Turn Back the Pendulum so that he could watch Aizen because he was suspicious of him.Spacedone 05:34, September 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed. but only because he was suspicious of him. He didn't know what Aizen planned to do or wanted to do, he just knew that Aizen wasn't what everyone thought.--Licourtrix 16:18, September 14, 2009 (UTC)