Forum:Mayuri Kurotsuchi

This Forum is dedicated to discussing anything about Mayuri Kurotsuchi. There are currently a couple of topics here already, but feel free to add more topics if what you wish to discuss is not covered here already. Any posts about Mayuri Kurotsuchi outside of this thread will be deleted and their contents moved here. --Yyp 23:01, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Ashisogi Jizō self-destruction
In the Hueco Mundo arc, Kurotsuchi Mayuri said his bankai form of Ashisogi Jizō explodes if it ever attacks him (which we saw happen).

In the Tales Arc, however, it went into its bankai form and attacked all the shinigami captains present, including its (former) master without self-destruction. Does anyone think Murasama could have done something to remove this restriction? PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 01:22, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

I think the difference is that in the Hueco Mundo arc, the Zanpakuto was under Mayuri's control and direction, while in the Unknown Tales arc, the Zanpakuto no longer is. Thus, since Ashisogi Jizo separated himself from the modified weapon Mayuri normally wields, the self-destruction wouldn't come into play, since he's no longer a part of that weapon. Does that make sense? Twocents 01:30, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

The latter part makes sense, but in the HC arc, the zanpakuto was temporarily under Syazel's control, IIRC. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 03:22, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Why is Mayuri allowed to blow up his subordinates?
I was rewatching some of the anime episodes, and in episode 43, you see Mayuri blow up four of his subordinates. (You also see a bit of a gorier version in the ending pages of chapter 120 and beginning of 121.)

I skimmed back through the Watercooler and didn't see anyone else ask this, and it's been bothering me: Why is Mayuri allowed to bomb his subordinates? Why don't Yamamoto or Central 46 (assuming they hadn't been off'd by Aizen at that point) have a problem with it? It really bothers me - especially the manga version where you see a bit of the poor blown-up Shinigami's past. :( You think captains wouldn't be allowed to just go around slaying productive members of the Soul Society.

On a similar note, logistically, how would Mayuri even modify their bodies to be bombs without them noticing? Twocents 01:54, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Now that's a difficult thing to answer. I can think of couple of reasons, Mayuri wasn't just killing them. He was using them for a mission. Sacrificing soldier on suicide missions isn't in itself illegal under many military rules. So he might be able to get away with it with those justification should he be called before Room 46/Yamamoto, especially after pointing out said shinigami were not the sharpest tools in the tool shed given the shinigami we saw the past of took three goes to get into the Gotei 13. But I suspect what happens within a squad, stays within a squad unless someone reports it. So what Mayuri get's upto inside is squad wouldn't filter back to Room 46 or Yamamoto unless someone decided to become a whistleblower. Whistleblowers are rare enough as they are, but whistleblowers within a military organisation are even rarer. The later is actually a reflection of reality where still to this day horrible hazing rituals take place within military units but no one ever talks about and certainly Captains never get punished for it. :( Tinni 02:19, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

It's still so sad, because it's so pointless. He sends them after Orihime and Uryu before he becomes interested in capturing Orihime for experimentation purposes, so you think that, as a captain, he should have easily been able to cut them down. Especially since in episode 42, you see that he's able to blend in with the wall, so a sneak attack would have especially made this easy. Thus, he doesn't even accomplish anything by killing his subordinates, much less anything that he couldn't have accomplished without them.

But you do have a point that it's not nearly as sad as the real life tragedies. ^^; It's just a shame that the Shinigami was so excited to be of use to his captain and got blown up in return for it. (As a sidenote, it also makes me really not care for Nemu - with her being so ridiculously nonchalant about it while watching the frightened man be killed cruelly for no reason - he wasn't even close enough to Uryu or Orihime at that point to hurt them with being blown up.) Twocents 02:27, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure. TBTP showed that the can detect spiritual pressure and when they dissapear, so I would have imagined that could have been the case here. 'But hey, it gets in the way of the plot, so forget about it', as Hollywood would say. As to why, Mayuri is a card-carrying pyschopath, so I guess he did partly for eliminating Orihime and Uryu, but also partly for his own enjoyment. TomServo101 02:52, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

He's a karma houdini. I don't think there were any witnesses either, except two ryoka who probably never got to pass on the info, and Maki-Maki, who I'm not sure knew what was going on. Even if Zaraki Kenpachi were aware of it, only 12th Squad people died, so why would he care? Seems to me there's just not enough evidence to convict him.

As for killing that last guy uselessly, it's called "covering tracks". Otherwise there might have been a complaint from someone in the know against the captain. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 03:21, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Considering that we can get enough forensic evidence to convict murderers who don't have four witnesses (in this case, Nemu, Makimaki, Orihime and Uryu), it seems to me that it's a poor argument that they couldn't get enough evidence to convict him. Especially considering the tools they have available at their discretion, like TomServo101 pointed out. If Central 46 could convict Tessai of using forbidden kido without witnesses, then surely, they could convict Mayuri of murder without them. And Makimaki is clearly aware of what's going on, as seen from his thoughts while he watches Orhime cry. Even if Kenpachi doesn't personally care, that's not a good argument to not bring charges. Going off what I know from what I've studied, in the American justice system, there's a reason that murderers have charges brought to them on behalf of the people, rather than the estate of the deceased; this being that a crime such as murder is a dangerous crime that negatively impacts the whole of society. I must say, I'm surprised at your rather cold and callous remarks. Twocents 03:51, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

I am actually surprised Orihime or Ishida didn't say anything. They did spend a week in Soul Society following the events. During which time they seemed to have stayed with Unohana. The one captain would probably wouldn't take innocent recruits being blown up well. But neither seemed to have brought up the issue. In fact, Ishida didn't even bring up the issue of his Grandfather and the way Mayuri explained things, it was clear what Mayuri did with the Quincy souls wasn't exactly above board. In the defence of Room 46 though, they did lock-up Mayuri after recognising his inherent disregard for life - including his own. Urahara was the one who had him released. These days of course even Ishida seems to have shelved his animosity towards Mayuri if their latest interaction in Heuco Mundo is anything to go by. I mean they aren't friends but it doesn't seem Ishida is out to kill him at any cost any more. But in terms of the law, and let's remember the military is subject to a different set of laws to the civilian populace in most countries, it would be pretty hard to convict Mayuri of murder because Mayuri's defence would be that the Shinigami in question died in the course of their duties. At most you could try and get a conviction for him in the case of the shinigami he blew-up after the rest but that's about it. In terms of Japanese military history this sort of tactics is not unheard of. What Mayuri did was similar to what Kamakazi pilots were ordered to do. Only difference is that in this case he didn't tell them they were going on a Kamakazi mission. Nemu would be the only person who could testify that the shinigami invovled were not properly informed but somehow I don't think Nemu is about to do that. Tinni 05:48, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Plus hes scientific expertise must help the SS a lot. As long as he produces good work and stuff, I think they'll just turn a blind eye to his actions.Saimaroimaru 22:52, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn't personally argue with a guy whose bankai can spit out an incurable poison... But, they were in a state of war, likely akin to martial law. Meaning captains probably had free reign to do as they pleased to take the ryoka. Plus, it's not hard to say "Oh, it was the ryoka who blew up my men." I mean, who're you gonna believe, a well-respected man who holds a position of major authority, or people who have invaded (or, well, that's what you know, since you aren't exactly privy to their plans) your city. One eye 21:39, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

It seems to me the answer to this is fairly simple. You've been equating the Gotei 13 to a modern military organization, specifically the US military. The problem is that the Gotei 13 work nothing like the modern military organizations of places like the US, England, Russia, or any other major military power. It's a lot more like a feudal structure, wherein each squad is commanded by its Captain, and is more or less self-reliant. The Captains and Lieutanants meet very infrequently except during a crisis, and there is little to no communication between squads. Also, Yamamoto rarely, if ever, really gets involved in the affairs of other squads. The other problem here is that, as with most military organizations, when one joins the Gotei 13, they forfeit most of their rights, except in this case, it seems to be worse. In the US military, for instance, one still has SOME rights, though no free speech, or anything of that caliber. So, combine the fact that each squad is independent with squad members having little to no rights whatsoever, and you get Kurotsuchi Mayuri blowing up his squad members willy-nilly. Also, if you were in Nemu's place, and your "Father" threatened to take you apart any time you do something he doesn't like, would you really tattle on him? I know I wouldn't. Not to mention, with the way she's treated, and being exposed to someone like Mayuri, she has some problems anyway. She acts more robotic than human most of the time... which, she sort of is more robotic than human anyway. --Liamxblazeneyes 06:50, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Well when i saw that episode, i saw no backround on any of the people that were blown up, i haven't read the manga all that much, but who is to say that they weren't like Nemu, being artificial souls they could just be reclassified as weapons, but yeah Mayuri needs to be hit with a dose of sanity.Lazychubb 06:07, January 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Like so many other things, it was omitted from the anime. It was the first few pages of chapter 121: . It clearly shows that they were not Mayuri's experiments from the very start. -- Yyp (Talk) 10:18, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Mayuri's past
There seems to be almost nothing written about Kurotsuchi's past...so I can gather that maybe an author can take a great leap of artistic license? I am particularly interested in the purple scarf that he wears. Ever notice how Omaeda wears one as well? I always found that some what intriguing...

Also- what about his time in the nest? I never gleaned that he actually did anything as much as he was just considered a great threat some how. Yet he could be pulled and placed as a Third Seat? How would Yamamoto allow that?

Thanks!

The purple scarf is probably just an indication that Mayuri thinks a lot of himself. Ōmaeda is rich, and also thinks a lot of himself. The color purple, being traditionally difficult to produce dye for, may be a symbol of how they think of themselves. Now, the purpose of the nest is not only to jail people that have done something to endanger Soul Society, but also to jail potential threats. If I remember correctly, Urahara said that many, if not most, of the people in the nest hadn't actually - done - anything. In terms of Urahara appointing Kurotsuchi, it's doubtful he'd really take much notice. The general style of the Gotei 13 is to leave each squad to itself. Yamamoto would really only take notice of something truly detrimental to Soul Society. Notice that Yamamoto doesn't really get involved, himself, unless he really has to. It was Urahara's decision as Captain of 12th Squad. Hope that helped. --Liamxblazeneyes 06:37, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Mayuri and Urahara
I believe that Urahara and Mayuri knew each other before Mayuri came to reside in The Nest? Or do you believe that Mayuri got to know Urahara during his time there? Also, did Mayuri go through The Academy? Or is he somehow self taught?

Thanks! snowcatz

Well there is no evidence that they knew each other prior to Urahara's control of the detention unit. There is no mention of Mayuri going through the academy at all he was more then likely given the position outright or due to his being in the maggots nest probably already had made it through the academy and become a member of the Gotei 13 otherwise he wouldn't have been locking in there in the first place. Salubri (Talk)  23:54, January 11, 2010 (UTC)