User talk:Tinni/Archive 2

Re: Volume Summary Project
It was nothing, I'm glad the project is done^^ DeliManjoo 01:17, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

April Featured Article
Hey I think Rangiku won this time around given every eligible character had one vote and by procedure Yyp and myself breaking the tie voted for her. Would you happen to have a the picture necessary to put up for her or could you find one. You seem good at that.Salubri (Talk)  15:13, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Poll
Ok second thing Im usually more component about writing code but I am having an issue. Im trying to create a poll on the main page and its to take up the empty space on the right side under the manga and anime updates. Now I know how to get it over there and initially create it but a normal poll extends past the confines of the box its in and i cant figure out how to keep it in.Salubri (Talk)  16:01, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Template:Mainpage/Poll, and the code for making it appear on a page is: -- Yyp  (Talk) 08:53, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Re: Referencing Project
Ironically, I actually have a reason for my inactivity this time around. My computer has a virus on it, so it may be a while before I can actively offer my support again (I'm on my gf's laptop XP). I actually like your idea. Back when I was working on Pesche's article, I found that I had essentially redone the entire article, without really meaning to; the history had been missing, and it was laden with inaccurate information. I fixed it as best as I could and referenced it; I believe this follows the ideal behind your proposal perfectly, so I have no problem with co-leading the expanded project with you. It would surely make the work less daunting, and editing articles without having to reference every single edit (the general "article improvement" bit) would allow me to do more than I have done lately. Mohrpheus 22:56, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

About the Gotei 13 editing
GeneralRidley here. You recently undid my revisions to the Gotei 13 page. Your message said that I shouldn't make things up. I just wanted to let you know that I did not make the information I placed into the article up. It was based on sound evidence. I will give you my explanations... please, I only want a little of your attention.

My edit on squad 6 specific duties:

"The 6th division acts as the police force of the soul society. Members of the 6th squad are responsible for the arrest and capture of known criminals; from the small offenders to large offenders including deserters, Ryoka, or other such terrorists."

Reasoning: It was Byakuya and Renji that arrested Rukia while in the world of the living. Byakuya also stated to Karia in the anime-only Bount arc, that besides the fact Rukia was injured he expressed that it was his duty to destroy all of the Soul Society's enemies. Which is techinically what all Shinigami strive for, but Byakuya says it as if that was his job. Byakuya also expresses his obsession with the law to Ichigo after he defeats him in battle, and that he vowed to his parent's grave that he would uphold the law. Thus pushing the idea that they are law enforcers.

My edit on squad 10 specific duties:

"The 10th division acts like the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) for the soul society. Often disseminating information gathered by the Stealth Force, or investigating and gathering intelligence themselves. The captain of the 10th division doesn't truly need to be an expert in combat, but have excellent skills of deduction. The current captain, Toshiro Hitsuguya, doesn't seem to be as powerful as the other captains, but has a tendancy to analyze everything."

Reason: Quite often does Toshiro's findings get passed along to the other captains in the form of what the messenger's call "intelligence signed by both captian Hitsuguya, and Head Captain Yamamoto." One instance being the supposed murder of Souske Aizen. Toshiro also disseminated information gathered by the Stealth Force concerning the Bounts on a number of occasions after they had arrived in the Soul Society. He also personally entered the world of the living (along with Rangiku) himself to gather more info on the arrancars there. I also can tell that his powers are not as strong as a typical captains by the fact his Bankai practically has a time limit as expressed by the ice flowers floating over his head.

My edit on squad 12 specific duties:

"The 12th Division's basic duty is to act as the Shinigami Research and Development Institute. Members are tasked with research and collection of data and samples. The current captain is the President of the R&D Institute, who also has authority over much of the Soul Society's confidencial archives."

Reason: The previous entry worded it as if the 12th division doesn't do anything, and are only the R&D as kind of a side note. When in fact the fact that division 12 practically IS the R&D makes them sound more important. I didn't edit that content there, I merely re-worded it. I also remember when Shunsui asked Mayuri for access to the archives the R&D department had on Bounts. And Kurotsuchi explicitly stated that he alone has access to that particular piece confidential information as the Bounts were created by a much older form of R&D headed by Ran Tao (I think I spelled her name wrong). He also had access to some information on Quincies as expressed within the very same arc. I know that this is from an anime-only arc and not the manga, but there are certainly other instances on this wiki where such a matter occurs as well.

Conclusion: I wouldn't add "made up" information; I'm not the kind of person to do that. I don't go around trolling on wikipedia pages for laughs. I base what I know from sound evidence. For instance I also had a theory that Shunsui's division was in charge of the Soul Society's library. But I had no proof, and it would be contradictory that if he were, that he would ask Mayuri for information on Bounts, when Ukitake found much information on them himself within the library. So I didn't add that. I'm not that stupid.

That being said, I thought it was the purpose of a wiki for people to share their experience to the populus. For example, articles found on a video game wiki will often give tips or advise based on the editor's experience playing the game. Does that mean that that method is the only method the player reading that advise should take? No. But it IS experience shared by someone else, and the reader can take what he read with a grain of salt and either follow the advise, or not, this is wikipedia after all.

I understand your desire for accuracy, but at the same time, you don't want to be underinformative to your audiance. Please show more empathy. When I was curious what the functions of division 8 really were and decided to look them up, I was hoping that someone on wikipedia at least had a theory. And I found it shocking that there was so little information to be found even on the other divisions. Certainly somebody else has come to the same conclusion I did about division 10 being the Intelligence branch.

I'm going to re-post my edits... please don't write them off as insignificant... thanks

GeneralRidley 03:12, April 4, 2010 (UTC)GeneralRidleyGeneralRidley 03:12, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Translation & Grammar
Hey. I talked it over with Yyp we are gonna need to Associative pages linked to the P&S Committee. One for translation that deals with all the translation conversations of the wiki. Namely we need to take the very long conversations of the Zanapkauto and Resurreccion talk pages, The imperative inflection of Japanese verbs. Obviously a new page linked directly to the committee page and we wanna bring on the best translators we have in an unofficial capacity. So rather than being actual committee members they will be associate members of a sort with a section on the committee page where the link will be located. All translation discussions can be had on the translation talk page and as far as the results of the translations will be featured on the article page. Currently the most qualified translators are of course Adam Restling and MarqFJA. Obviously they will need to be informed but its largely informal, so other then providing the translations when they can it wont be any real pressure on them.

The Grammar thing i think is something along the similar lines but in the article page there will be a listing of pages needing grammar checks and those completed and required for normal review. I had already talked to Godisme about it he has gone out to recruit others through one of his blogs and has started in the past couple of days already. Just another informal association. These pages would add to helping the site and organizing the efforts. Salubri (Talk)  06:49, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Improvement Project
What I was referring to is that the referencing project specifically stated that in its operations and the articles where listed as marked for overhaul. When you moved it you changed or removed all of it. As far as expanding content it goes along with overhauling it, yes it would make it easier but for the most part it doesn't change the fact that it needs overhaul. None of the admin where was aware of the change in format (as far as i know) on that part so, we wouldn't want to go to the page and delete someone's work entirely under the assumption that it was incorrect. Thus why it was confusing as to what it was doing on the project. Its the second time you felt you had to explain though it would have been easier if the situation was explained earlier or kept as it was previously on the old project.Salubri (Talk)  07:04, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

We had this conversation about the overhauled pages before so I know it was understood regardless if you cared to follow it or not. All the general editing can be done after its overhauled if it is felt that it is required. What Im saying is you knew it was up to be overhauled and when it got to that point that work done could easily end up all gone, hence wasting someone's time and effort. Salubri (Talk)  07:46, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

The whole page is gone through and overhauled in one way or another. Just because someone did work and regardless of if its right its just as likely to be deleted and to start from scratch as it is to leave it there. Sometimes its left and expanded on and sometimes its lacking and in error. Your making the whole committee thing out to be a personal dislike for it. My issue has only been the mark for overhaul pages not anything else. Most of the articles dont get overhauled. There have been plenty of the reference project pages still containing speculative information, lack of reference, lack of information in plot content and formats in organization that is incorrect. This is in general and while work is done on these pages alot of theses issues are not addressed requiring a revision to fix. If the improvement pages work on these things then that would greatly help. I never said nothing about shutting anything down, all i said is that its far easier to leave the marked for overhaul pages alone until they are overhauled and let necessary general editing if required done to them after the fact.Salubri (Talk)  15:32, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well I guess that goes in hand in hand with why you take it personal when I tell you to certain pages are up for overhaul and need to remain untouched, regardless of how long it takes. It will get done and if you choose to have others possibly waste their time it is your choice. Unless under threat of losing integrity or in the middle of overhaul a page doesn't need to be locked. Pages where being overhauled with no issue way before the reference project and I didn't impede on you doing any of the Volume project pages the way you chose to and i initially told you the issues with the reference project was only for overhauling issues. Now that its been changed to improvement with you involved, its a constant argument. This was simple issue that i handled with the only user doing work on the one page. Salubri (Talk)  15:56, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Gin
I see you too are a massive Gin fan.... i couldn't help but hear rumours about the upcoming chap not boding well for him, i hope this is only a trick by Kubo, but if not i just wanted to let you know that i shall be sharing the pain! GinIchimaru

Gin was so cute when he released his Bankai I wanted to give him huggles... but then I remembered he's a sadistic lunatic. I don't see why everyone hates Gin's Bankai, I mean its simple but that doesn't make it any less dangerous. But, from the look on Gin's face I don't think he has taken the fight seriously. Plus Kubo's backgrounds this week were awesome! --Lemursrule 01:30, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Userboxes
I just saw your "Associate Box" message on the Translation Corner. Thank you very much.

BTW, is there a list of standardized "This user is a 'X Character' fan"/"This user supports 'X Group'" Userboxes that are specific to this wiki? Because I can't seem to find it through the site's search engine, nor do I know where to manually look for it. MarqFJA 16:53, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that category, but it seemed a bit... lacking in content, I suppose. So how do I create my own User Box? MarqFJA 17:19, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch for the assist! ^^ MarqFJA 23:42, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Yes I do.
I was just applying a similar scenario and offering a solution, as well as my opinion. If this is in anyway a problem, then I'd like to apologize for my apparent short-sightedness, Tinni-sama. Maggosh 20:56, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Gin question
Hi,

I noticed you're very knowledgeable about when/whether things happened in Bleach. Isn't it true that after Gin defects somebody asks Rangiku how she feels about her classmate's defection, her classmate being Gin? I remember something of the sorts, but then again during TBTP Gin is already a seated officer in the 5th division, and his encounter w/ Rangiku happens after that. I'm a bit confused. Weedefinition  (Talk)  21:02, April 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, yes it did help clear thing up. I just thought Gin only met with Rangiku when he was already an officer, and I didn't know they lived and traveled together. Kinda starnge that their partnership broke while other partnerships that began before joining Gotei 13 lasted to this day (Kenpachi/Yachiru, Ikkaku/YUmichika, Rukia/Renji). I guess Gin knew she wouldn't follow him in betrayal. Weedefinition   (Talk)  04:12, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Rollback
Tinni, is there any big deal with having rollback?, I've heard it just lets you revert in one click, unlike for normal users who have to click it twice. Is that it? -- WhiteArmor  (Talk)  18:03, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

New OP and ED AMAZING!
If you have not watched then you must. Also the censoring on Harribel was acceptable, it actually looked normal, It was how I imagined it would look. Plus Chad as Rocky, Nel, Hiyori, Mashiro, the little rascals, Tosen as Michael Jackson, and more. ED big shout out to American pop culture. --Lemursrule 22:09, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Userboxes
Hey I know youve thrown together a few userboxes just for the sake of proportion do you think we can do a uniformed streamlined size. so they are so fat and boxy. Just an appearance thought. Salubri (Talk)  11:19, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

well if you could work something out or i will. it doesnt matter who really.<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  09:25, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Image Policy
All right sorry I'll be sure to do that from now on. TheDevilHand888 14:22, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Photo editing
Tinni, you said you were good at editing images right? --| WhiteArmor | (Talk) |-- 19:42, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I remembered it wrong, you had said you like making posters, not that you were good at editing photos, I was gonna ask if you could combine a couple of images for Sado's article. --| WhiteArmor | (Talk) |-- 22:14, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, it's these two. It's the Brazo Derecha del Gigante's 3rd form. --| WhiteArmor | (Talk) |--

Thanks Tinni, It's awesome. --| WhiteArmor | (Talk) |-- 15:08, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Trivia
Sorry, won't happen again. --| WhiteArmor | (Talk) |-- 00:20, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Redirect
Is "Muramasa" supposed to redirect to the zanpakuto section on Koga Kuchiki's page, or is this unintentional? --| WhiteArmor | (Talk) |-- 13:55, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Ichigo Discussion,
Do you have some sort of problem?

Yawn,
Quite the stiff, eh?;) NeroDynamic 03:55, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Rumor
Alright sorry I was just playing. However on a serious note, I read a prediction about Isshin Kurosaki and which division he was captain of, I read someones prediction that he was captain of Squad 0, and they believe that this squad served as the king of the soul societys' personal bodyguard. If you have any comments or thoughts about this I would love to hear them. NeroDynamic 04:28, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Isshin/Aizen Zanpakuto
Is it just me or does the guard from Isshins' zanpakuto looks similiar to that of Aizens' Kyoka Suigetsu?NeroDynamic 04:45, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Recent Blog
Too be honest I'm not bothered whose dead or not. I just started that blog with how quick people wrote Grimmjow of and that kinda lead to other ideas popping out. Sorry if you found this mere blog so offensive though. Prophet of Sanghelios 05:30, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I knew there were people who were quite dedicated to trying to get others to believe certain characters weren't dead but I never thought it was bad enough that people would go saying stuff like that, sorry to hear your getting the bad end of things. But don't worry I'm not going to fight to the death over simple speculation and I'll try to keep that stuff to a minimum then. Prophet of Sanghelios 06:09, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Gin's Talk Page
As a warning, I proposed we add anime specific information to his page, and just like you, I'm his biggest fan, so a collaborative effort would be appreciated ^^ --KyleFanatic 20:46, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Normally I don't message people outside of potential problems and certain issues to be discussed, but seriously, since it's been hundreds of episodes since he fought Hitsugaya, I'm hoping the anime animators will change Gin's eye color to blue when he fights Ichigo. IMO, it's more suitable for him anyway. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  01:23, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

You do know they could just, I dunno, go back to that episode for reference? It's not like they thrive for inconsistency. Maggosh 01:30, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Please allow me to be lazy and address everybody's points here. I agree that blue suits Gin better and red is just to cliche. However, the one time after the release of volume 20 that the anime showed Gin's eyes open was during the opening sequence of episode 91 (pictured in poster form on the right). Now I understand that opening sequences are hardly canon but to date Gin has been shown with his eyes open a total of three times in the anime (including the opening sequence) and this was the first time since the publication of volume 20 (I think...). In addition, the Bleach: Dark Souls team still choose to colour Gin's eyes yellow and Dark Souls came out way, way, way after volume 20. So I wouldn't put it past the anime team to colour Gin's eyes incorrectly for the Ichigo fight either. But we do have an [Bleach_Wiki:Anime_Policy|[Anime Policy]] that says manga > anime and so regardless of what the anime team gets upto, Gin's eyes will remain listed as blue. The new trivia point should satisfy anime fans, and thanks Maggosh for rewording it - I was having a hard time figuring out what to say, but the info box will remain blue and we will hope that the anime team colours Gin's eyes blue when they animate Gin vs Ichigo. Tinni  (Talk)  01:54, April 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh. Well, you're welcome, then. *tips hat to Tinni* Maggosh 11:05, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I put in a notice to editors that will appear when they edit the page, and the note says not to change Gin's eye color to red. If you want to change the wording I used, go for it, but hopefully, overall, this discourages editing his eye color in the future. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  02:05, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Translation Corner (Spanish)
Hi! So I wanted to join the Translation Corner, and I know the main contact is Adam Restling, but his deal is Japanese, and mine is Spanish, and most stuff there is Japanese, so I wasn't sure of who to ask. Though the Arrancars are mostly done for, so there's little new information to add, but I guess newbies will always come with the same old questions, and I'd really like to help with as much as I can (when will we see the end of "Harribel's Tres should be Tercera", I wonder). Thanks for your time!

PS. Am I allowed to add the "I support Gotei 13" "I support Espada" and "I support Vizard" infoboxes to my profile at the same time or am I supposed to choose only one? Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  05:54, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Cool! No worries, I'm in no hurries to be vandalized because of Kubo's bad Spanish XD. I always end up cracking a laugh, though. Now I just have to figure how to put the userboxes in my userpage (kidding, I already did -I checked Tinni's userpage code). I hope if Kubo invents new techniques though, they sound cool in Spanish too, Grillar Grillo was the dumbest thing ever... Thanks again! Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  07:00, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Gin vs. Ichigo pic
Hey Tinni. Is there any way you can make Image:Ichigo Kurosaki Vs Gin Ichimaru.png bigger without ruining the quality. Ju-Ni's version of Chapter 400 came out online and I went ahead and updated the image, since it didn't have the watermark, but it is still smaller (quality is good though). If size is a problem, do you know how to fix it, so I don't risk ruining the image? <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  01:47, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Saved and uploaded. Thanks Tinni. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  02:34, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Unbiased vote
Just wanted to say your completely unbiased vote had me cracking up. It truly was a move that surprised no one. It was almost as unbiased as my vote for Aizen a few months back--<font color="black" face="Verdana">Godisme <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  05:46, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

In case you have not seen it I suggest you go to my page and look at my response your random thought. I hope you understand it is all sarcastic. Lia Schiffer did not seem to get it--<font color="black" face="Verdana">Godisme <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  20:09, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Please, having Social D as a theme song is more than enough reason. Also, me being God is another great reason. You should change your vote and support Social D--<font color="black" face="Verdana">Godisme <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  02:38, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hey
Just to let you know I know how much it irks you about the crack theories. I get that entirely so feel free to crack down on any blogs and forums that want to promote such things as your entirely supported by the speculation policy. If you find anything that needs to be deleted leave the request on the Request admin assistance forum. It makes no sense that the forums were specifically cleaned of such things and now they are creeping right back in. Speculation is one thing but people take it to another level and misinformation always ends up creeping into the articles. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  18:14, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Procedure & Template
Hey Tinni. I posted on the Committee Talkpage about the Removal procedure. Anyway I was just wondering whether we should make it its own page or fit it in on the Committee page.

On another note. Regarding the associates pages. The grammar corner has a template for its representitives. Do u think we should make one for the Translation Corner? Speaking of which the translation corner page has gotten LONG. Should I archive the closed discussions on it? Minato (Talk)  01:13, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Tinni. I'm sure u have already seen the new page Bleach Wiki:Committee Procedures, its a work in progress. I was just wondering what u think of it, whether or no I should add more, less, or if I missed something. Yyp already made some good corrections on it. The translation corner has been archived. I added the standard pic template so to show it has been archived. I'll find a better pic to add there later. Minato (Talk)  19:03, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Trading Cards
I looked over the trading cards page. Everything looks good to me. Nice work--<font color="black" face="Verdana">Godisme <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  05:42, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Question
Hi Tinni. For the Toju picture from episode 265, which subbed was it? 1/2 or 2/2? Also, what was the timer on?

Ichigo vs. Grimmjow Pics
Hey Tinni. Lately I've been working on the Ichigo vs. Grimmjow: Final Fight article. However, while the summary is nice and in-depth, I've noticed that I have absolutely no pictures to put into the article. Would you happen to know who could help me find some good ones? I could try to screen cap them off of Hulu, but I'm not sure of whether or not the quality would suffice. Mohrpheus 03:15, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the pics, I saw two or three that could come in handy, seeing as I'm almost done with the summary. If it's not too much trouble, could you provide with a few more? I saw a couple that I could use on other articles, but none showing when Grimmjow first releases his zanpakuto. I guess my general plan is to have one pic per paragraph (they're organized based on chapter xD). Mohrpheus 21:19, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Tinni I dont wanna bog you down with work like this but it seems you can make it happen at the moment and are good at bringing them to the site. We have almost nothing for the fight involving Hitsugaya and Luppi or the first fight between Ichigo and Ulquiorra. Also looking for a few more on Ichigo's second fight with Grimmjow. Maybe a pic of Wonderweiss before or after the his creation. If you could help that would be great thanks. There are probably more but thats all I can think of at the moment.<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  03:24, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hakuda for Arrancar.
I was checking out the strenghts used in the Ichigo Kurosaki vs. Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez: Final Fight; and I noticed that zanjutsu was listed as a strenght for Grimmjow; yet hand to hand combat was stated instead of Hakuda. Why is this? Captain Brooks 01:51, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

"It's not just hand to hand combat but can be specialised things like Shunko"

Shunko isn't pure Hakuda; it is Hakuda combined with Kido (which to date no Arrancar has been shown to use); so I'm not too sure if this is a valid reason. I don't recall Hakuda ever being stated as a Shinigami specific skill. Captain Brooks 07:21, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

" Back during the Soul Society arc, Aizen stated the 4 forms of Shinigami combat, which are Zanjutsu, Hakuda, Kido, and Hoho (AKA, Flash Steps/Shunpo)"

I know about all of this; but if this is true; then why is Zanjutsu listed under a strength for Arrancar (which was caused the whole Hakuda for Arrancar post)? Captain Brooks 08:00, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Dirty Play
If you are going to play dirty, I will have to play dirty as well. Im bringing in the birthday card--<font color="black" face="Verdana">Godisme <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  05:56, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Please, I am talking of my own birthday on friday. I will draw sympathy votes with it and best of all it is my actual birthday--<font color="black" face="Verdana">Godisme <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  06:00, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

This means war. I was kind enough to not use my oppose vote for Gin as I was being courteous but I am afraid I must resort to your underhanded tactics--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  03:02, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

My vote will not be removed if it follows the rules and presents a valid reason. I am not going to break the rules just to oppose Gin. I have an actual reason I have been holding back on to oppose him.--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  03:13, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, GRAMMAR, I was the one who was the inspiration for the grammar corner after all. Gin's article has some tricky grammar mistakes. It is not worthy of being featured article. Especially not on my birthday--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  03:26, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

See, we Isshin fans can oppose too. Anyway, I cant wait for this to be over so we can just stop all the stupid arguments that have been going on around the site--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  16:34, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Amen to that. I really don't want to ask Wile for a missile launcher. Those things are pretty damn expensive. maggosh 16:36, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, all the Gin opposers are opposing because of Grammar (really? come on!), but... isn't that the Grammar corner responsibility? And all Gin opposers are Grammar corner, they could fix it if they wanted to. So you're basically neglecting Gin's article so that you can oppose him. Talk about dirty, honestly. Can't wait for this to be over, this competition is turning pretty ridiculous, lol Lia Schiffer   (Talk)  16:45, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

This competition is at an end. I was willing to let this play out but now it has gone too far. It is clear that Godisme has completely undermined the process and whatever hand I had in it with my "ten reasons to vote for Gin" thing, I will accept the responsibility for. But I will do all that's in my power to make sure this sham of a vote will not be deciding May's feature article. Tinni  (Talk)  16:50, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

How is it a sham of a vote. My support and oppose votes were serious as were everyone elses. If you look at all my past support votes and opposes votes, they were all based on grammar as that is what I know. I was having a bit of fun with you here and I thought I made that clear. I said from the beginning I was joking and was sarcastic. Now if you choose to try and have the vote fixed then it will only show your bias for Gin in that you cannot see that there are actual problems with his article. I think grammar is very important to a featured article because why feature an article that looks like it was written by an illiterate? Again, all my comments here have been sarcastic up to this point. While yes I do prefer Isshin and yes I am not a big fan of Gin, I would never let my bias rig the vote.--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  16:57, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

I would like to point out I casted my opposition vote on my own free will, and I only waited until now because I was working on my wording in order for it not to be removed and misconstrued as a biased vote. This whole incident has also made me realize something; we're voting for Featured Article, not Featured Character. Why not include other articles that deserve the spotlight as much as the character ones? If there's no indication of changing the criteria, then I suggest we rename it "Featured Character", in order to eliminate future confusion. maggosh 17:00, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Before I joked with you about playing dirty. Now you actually are. Your comment to Yyp was uncalled for, untruthful and missing many facts. I think you fail to see that Gin's article has problems. IN YOUR OPINION Gin has a better article. In mine Isshin has a better one. You accuse our oppose votes of just copying off of my oppose and yet you do not see that everyone copied your oppose vote. I know you want Gin to win but play fairly--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  17:07, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Right, I am going to say this here once and once only: Godisme went too far. It is one thing to list reasons to support Isshin, it is completely another to label groups of user the "Gin fanclub" in a belittling way and still another to go around begging for votes, encouraging people to vote for Isshin. Godisme should have caught a clue when I did not do the same even when Gin was soundly losing. You don't think I know regular contributors on the site who would happily vote for Gin and just take a reason off my user page to give their vote the air of legitimacy? Of course I do, but I left them and the voting process alone. Every single person who voted for Gin and oppose Isshin did so on their own accord. We have worked very, very hard to clean-up the Feature Article voting process and in a course of a few hours Godisme has managed to undo months of work and completely undermine the voting process. Now Yyp and the other admins either have to decide which votes are valid and which are just junk or they can just have a clean vote among themselves in what is a two horse race. I of course, suggested Yyp and the other admins hold their own vote. Don't for a moment think that I am doing this because Gin's Article is losing. According to the voting rules, Gin's article is still ahead. However, the process has been compromised and Godisme still fails to see that the process has been compromised BECAUSE he has had personal contact with voters. If Lia, GinIchimaru and other copied my thought process, they did so on their own terms. I have not contacted them, nor have I responded to them when they have commented on the vote in blogs, other talk pages etc. Same cannot be said of Godisme. That indicates impropriety even if there was none. Thus the process being compromised and I have asked the admins to decide on the Feature article. They may well vote for Isshin since Yyp especially worked so hard to clean it up. I never had a problem with Isshin winning in a fair vote. I DO however, have a problem with Isshin OR Gin winning in a vote that has been compromised. That is all I have to say in the matter. Tinni  (Talk)  17:18, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Just to say, i voted for Gin because i genuinely see his article as being superior, and not because hes my favourite character or because of anything Tinni has said. Whereas the Gin article has a few minor grammatical errors, i would say Isshins has more and it even has spelling errors, e.g at the start of the plot section. I also think Gins is simply far more informative, this has morte to do with Gin being a more involved character than Isshin has been up till now. Anyways i dont see why there should be such a big argument over this, and i think its clear that Godisme was joking around from the start. GinIchimaru 17:42, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

And there you have it Tinni, someone who knows me, who did not vote for Isshin, claims I was joking. Gin understands that unless I say I am serious, I am almost always joking.--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  17:47, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Just to point out, I didn't even bother reading anyone else's oppose vote on Isshin, they were too long (particularly Tinni's) and I was feeling lazy. So please, Godisme, don't say that I copied Tinni's vote, I don't even know what it says. I just mentioned my opinion on Isshin's article and his participation on this month in the manga. Man is this getting ugly. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  02:12, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yes it is getting ugly because Tinni did not understand a joke. If she is going to accuse me of foul play for everyone having similar votes to mine than I shall accuse her of the same since all the oppose votes on Isshin were the same. I suspect there was just as much cooperation amongst you guys as there was between us. That would be either zero like I said there was or as Tinni thinks, lots--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  02:27, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

There's a clear difference between cooperation and collaboration. I voted right after Tinni because she just happened to be the first person to do so on my watchlist at the time. Let's face it, this is the last day before the voting period ends. The usual pattern is that everybody votes for and against at that time because it gives their article of choice a certain advantage. Both sides are equally guilty of this; the only difference is that you allegedly asked others to vote for Isshin. This whole ordeal has been blown out of proportion; this is hardly a fan club rivalry. Mohrpheus 02:47, April 30, 2010 (UTC) votr I am sick of people saying I asked others to vote for Isshin, two members whom I have regular contact with, had their votes deleted. They were still eligible to vote though so I encouraged them to recast their vote. If I had asked people to vote I would have contacted others who had not voted and said vote Isshin but I did not. Now lets stop arguing and just let the admins decided--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  03:15, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I know I haven't been around much but all I want to say right now is that since people have to type their conversations here it would not be clear if someone is joking or being sarcastic and may lead them to think that they are serious and unless you know that user or have simply had dealings with them in the past, they wouldn't know at all. Tinni for one is a veteran user on this site and has had to deal with matters like this a lot in the past no doubt, and this would cause anyone to act in a similar way, especially if that user does not know you that well or at all and you assume that they will understand where you are coming from. I also don't believe anyone who truly respects this site would go around rigging votes, and in the times I have been here I don't think that I've seen Godisme do anything other than try and make this site a little better. I realise what I have said was unrelated to this topic and especially considering that I am not a regular contributor anymore I felt that it was something that I had to make people aware of. SalmanH  (Talk)  06:11, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

If I may wade in, I think it's been suggested in the past that people add ;-) or suchlike when they're being sarcastic et al. I'd suggest to Godisme that you do something like that for when you're being facetious.

Or alternatively just say "I'm being sarcastic, btw":( <font color="red" face="Verdana">TomServo101 <font color="red" face="Verdana">(Talk)  09:19, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

"Suspected Game" Image
It's not just for Hitsugaya, but Sajin as well, and I think Ikkaku and Mayuri too. I'll look into each of the Shinigami's articles, but overall, we've had those images up for awhile. To be honest, I don't like them too much (it was a pain in the ass when people were trying to put it up on Aizen and Tosen's pages too). Rukia's was okay, but yeah, it was unusable too. I'm not sure how the others feel, but personally, I think the articles would look better without them (or replacements, for some cases). <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  00:01, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Missing Facts
Again you fail to see the facts of the situation, if Maggosh and Weedefinition had similar oppose votes it is because they saw the same errors in Gins article. I was in contact with 4 users. Wolfwood contacted me and said he supported Isshin so when his vote was deleted I notified him why and told him a few things that constitute a good vote. When BlazeUchiha's vote was deleted I did the same for him as I talk to him quite a bit on the blogs. He has not been around in a few days so I continued with my war joke/metaphor and told him we could win. That is something else you seem to be missing I AM SARCASTIC AS HELL AND NEVER DO ANYTHING WITHOUT A JOKE. Read my about me section and you will see it has said that for a long time. I could call character witnesses if you wanted to testify that that is how I am. One of them would be the next user I was in contact with, GinIchimaru, one of the gin voters. He contacted me and said sorry for voting for Gin but he had to. I jokingly said back to him, how could you and on my birthday. Then Maggosh contacted me and said thanks for supporting Isshin. I replied welcome and said he could throw up an oppose vote as that was what all the gin people were doing. I too know many other users who would vote for Isshin if I contacted them but I did not. I only reached out to people who had already voted. You will notice Sunxia changed their vote, I had nothing to do with this. I played by the rules and now you are violating those rules. Now please, submit any queries to me that you may have and I will give you logic and knowledge in exchange.--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  17:31, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Me saying what constitutes a good vote is no different from posting the voting policy. It was for his convenience and not mine. Also I am not raging. Trust me, if I were raging you would be crying as I have anger issues and when I get angry I insult people until they cry. Now i you do not wish to be civilized then I will let you be but I believe you are mistaking my constant jokes and good nature for treachery--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Talk)  17:45, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Article
Considering I have been watching the Featured Article all the past week. I also have been watching whatever this is unfold and not in a good way. What I have witnessed so far is unnecessary rivalry whether joking or no the votes are supposed to be about article quality. I fully understand people have their favorite characters and are more inclined to vote for them and I turn a blind eye to that point mostly if the concept of the voting policy is followed. Fixing votes either by encouraging or influencing others is not acceptable. If a users vote is unacceptable they should have read the voting policy to determine what is acceptable. If they aren't concerned enough to find out why their vote was discounted and correct the situation then thats their problem. But such things are between the user and the admin, not other users goading them into shifting the vote for their favored pick or otherwise. The oppose votes are for acceptable opposition to issues detailed in the voting policy. My issue is what appears as an organized effort to subvert votes in one direction. The matter will be discussed amongst the admin as to what votes determined by situations involving what i detailed above, will be kept and what wont. Hopefully in the future such actions wont be necessary. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  18:18, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Spoiler
lol. I would be if i understand what was happening but I think I get the gist of it. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  04:31, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Quincy Hotel
OMU Quincy Hotel? I visited the website and it's so awesome! It even says Quincy in huge letters! Now I have a reason to visit Singapore. The word Quincy is becoming popular or is it just me? The other day I heard of a guy named Whatever Quincy and I jumped. And then I was in class and they said something about Quincy and I said "Ishida!" and the guy next to me gave me a funny look. But god, that hotel looks amazing! And huge... I don't know where you get your info from, but it's always cool to read it Lia Schiffer   (Talk)  06:42, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Anime release
I wasn't aware of it; I assumed most of the Spoiler talk would have been done on the policy's page itself and not the forum; it's been a long time since I visited that. I may have to take a look at it. I'll restore the images, but I have HUGE doubts about letting low-quality images onto the site when a higher-quality one can be uploaded by being patient for a few hours. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  21:21, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that was personal taste; I never said I removed the images because they were of low quality, but because of the fact that the episode was not subbed yet. I went ahead and restored the edits and reverted my own edit of Ulquiorra's article. By all means, if it's okay to upload manga-based anime pics without waiting for the subbed version, then go ahead. If it's allowed, then I won't delete it (I restored the deleted images), and if you're able to, then upload a higher-quality one as soon as the opportunity presents itself. I won't delete a low-quality image if it's allowed, unless there's a higher-quality duplicate image, and the low-quality one isn't on someone's page. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  21:31, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Chapter 402
Hi, I'm sorry for the confusion, I'll be happy to change it, if only I knew how to! I had the same problem with 379, when I knew it was a mistake from Mangafox I tried to change it but couldn't find a way to do it. If you could tell me how to move it or change the title I will happily do it, I know about those silly edit wars due to mistranslations and I don't want to contribute to them just because onemanga released a wrong chapter title. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  01:11, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Forget it, I just discovered how. Never imagined it was so easy. Sorry for the trouble. I hope it helps to minor the changes in the chapter pages. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  01:15, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ulquiorra Pics
I dont know if you could but do you think you could get some better pics for Ulquiorra's released form as well as a better one of Ichigo putting on the mask. Also if you could get me some shots of Ishida vs. Yammy for the Yammy's Rampage fight page that would really be appreciated. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  02:19, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the Yammy pics. On top of that I need one's for Orihime being attacked by Menoly and Loly during the Yammy confrontation as well as some from the confrontation involving Grimmjow earlier. I need a gif of Yammy using Gonzul to replace the pic on his page it takes to much space and doesn't accurately show the ability. I also need some pics for Rukia vs. Rubudon. If you could work it out that would help alot thanks. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  15:38, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

File uploading
I seem to be having a little problem with the file uploading and it's uploading my pictures as blank squares, I don't know if it's my computer, the internet, the site, or the world conspiring against me (the pics are working fine in the PC), do you know why this could be happening? Anyway, I just leave this message so as to let you know that I'm not doing it on purpose and that as soon as I figure out what on earth or Soul Society is going on, I'll replace the blank boxes with the actual pics that I was trying to upload. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  07:01, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I tried to reupload the same picture with a different name after adding the previous one to the "candidates for deletion" but I'm still getting the blank box. I guess I'm gonna let it rest for now and wait until tomorrow to add the pictures. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  08:10, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Once again need help
So far Ive done the main event articles of the fight project Such as Ryoka Invasion and the Arrancar Invasion. But Im having a problem properly putting the Invasion of Hueco Mundo together. Im thinking because it switches back and forth and between various fights and It just doesn't click how to do it in my mind for whatever reason. If you can go through it and see if it will work for you. The first half I have done already referenced and what not but the rest isn't working. If you need a guideline just look at the previous event pages its supposed to be more synopsis of the entire arc. Probably no more than 20 or so references altogether. The sooner these can get done the sooner we can complete the project overall. After this particular event article is done im deleting the saga pages. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  16:32, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Arrancar Encyclopaedia and other Omakes
Understood. maggosh 14:24, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Vizard/Visored
Hello again. Sorry to bother you about this, but I was looking over the Vizard article's talk page, and noticed that somebody had posted a link to a calendar that was allegedly released in Japan. His point in doing so was that it was the only occurance of the word "Vizard" being romanized in Japanese media, with this case showing that is it spelled "Visored." I was just wondering about whether or not the calendar was truly Japanese, which would discredit it as a source, or if there was some other reason. As the user said, romanization changes for cases such as Baraggan have been made based on materials like this before. Mohrpheus 18:05, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Urahara pictures
Hi! I offered myself to take over Urahara's article in the Article Improvement Project to fix the lack of pictures, which I tried to do tonight, but I faced a small problem. The plot sections, apart from FKT, Arrancar arc and Agent of the Shinigami arc are very small, less than two lines in case of the filler arcs, and just two or three paragraphs for HM and SS arcs. So I'm doubting if I should add pictures for the filler arcs, and if more pictures are needed for the other arcs, since anymore pics would make the page look cluttered, but I still have this feeling like the article is kinda incomplete picture-wise, maybe it's just me. What do you think? Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  09:15, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for answering! I'll be rewatching episodes starting tomorrow to get as many shots as possible. I've got one shot from the Bount arc, but I'll wait to have more shots from the other arcs to upload them. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  09:57, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Kisuke's Eye Color
Hi Tinni, I just wanted to get your opinion on something, what color do you think Kisuke eyes are? They are listed as dark blue, but in every anime episode I've watched they appear black or dark dark grey, even with his hat off. So I was wondering if you know of any place its officially listed to be dark blue otherwise I would like to change it. I ask your opinion b/c of the no. of edits you've done. UraharaHitsugaya 15:46, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Hi there Tinni can you help me with this one?
Soul Reaper wearing Black Kimono - Rukia Kuchiki

Taicho - Head Captain of Soul Society - does not exist in the beginning

Characters First - Story Plot then

Wish to Buy Bleach Clothes, But Cannot find it in Stores

Ichigo - considerate and thoughtful - strength and weakness too

Bleach into a love story - no way

Yoruichi and Rangiku - they just do not care what people think of them

Chad - Mexican heritage - unintentional

Quincies in White Clothing - Uryu Ishida

Quincies arrows are for long range combats and has a 5 points cross

Soul Reaper sword are for short range combats

Kon a fake three dimensional flat face stuffed animal cheap and thrown away

Ichigo's dad Isshin would always be a Soul Reaper - there will be back story

Battle Scenes - Bored - Joke - Fun

Bleach - Few more story lines to be tell - will go on for a while

Bleach - Believe in your talent - Enjoy what you have created

this was ask as a riddle by my mate - whoever gets it right - he will lend his full sets of Bleach DVDs, all his Bleach mangas and all his Bleach game cds/xbox/PSP etc etc to us here - any help would be much appreciated to all you guys?Soulreaper1234 08:30, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Seriously?
can you paste me a link!!! thanks

thanks you are a an angel
yes all the list down he took from the interview I just don't gets what he meant I mean my mate - but salute and thank you are a big help!!!Soulreaper1234 09:05, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Soul Carnival
I just finished watching the episode. I can see why you saw some similarities, but I saw the scenes that were attempted to be uploaded, and I saw enough of a different to tell that they were from Soul Carnival. Ulquiorra's Lanza del Relampago stance is noticeably different between 271 and Soul Carnival, and it was the Soul Carnival version(and that was the most notable image I deleted today). <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  05:57, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Urahara for Feature Article
I hadn't really looked it over, but yeah, its not in great shape. The list of candidates is a bit short as it is, but I guess there is not much choice in this until it is fixed. I had planned to see what I could do about Uryu's article over the weekend, but I'll try to get some done on Urahara too since it needs less work. Yyp (Talk) 13:28, May 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I actually quite like Yammy, but somehow forgot him. What chance has he got when even does who like him can't remember him? Yyp  (Talk) 13:42, May 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Your welcome. Regarding Kira, I'd have to say that he is a borderline case. After rereading it, his role, while small, was more that I had remembered. Maybe he could be allowed, but I'd check with the others first. Matsumoto is a definite no right now, though that might change with the next chapter. But Kira, I don't mind. Yyp  (Talk) 09:36, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Article Pages
We are doing something new with the main character pages. Ichigo's page being the main one. His filler arc sections will now be collapsable similar to the spoiler page. That way its still present on the page but out of the way of the primary canonical information. Once the vast majority of the pages have featured in detail the certain fights and events on the fight pages it will not need a redundant amount of information on the article pages so they will be scaled down considerably. The same may well be available to take place for Orihime, Ishida, Chad, Renji's and Rukia's pages but that will most likely be at a later date. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  23:13, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Kira for featured article
I saw that you inquired about this on Yyp's page. I don't think he qualifies for the same reason Isshin did not qualify for april. Kira was not in the recent chapter long enough to really be called "recently featured" in the manga. Those are just my thoughts--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  02:14, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

So with the release of the new chapter I think Kira had enough lines to be worthy to be voted on for featured article though I doubt he will garner a single vote other than maybe you. If I am right, we will be seeing quite a few votes for Isshin popping up and maybe one or two more for Urahara. The featured article does still seem to unfortunately still be a bit of a popularity contest. Anyway, I think everyone should agree that we can call Kira recently featured enough to add him to the candidates--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  06:44, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Thanks for the Images
Thanks for the compliment and for sorting out those images for me, understood regarding the resizing, it is something I shall avoid in the future then!! Thanks SunXia 12:07, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

if noone will agree rukias at leiutenant level...
can we change in her artical "high spritual power" to "spritual power"? because otherwise it makes no sense

Clarification on translation of Chapter 404: Deicide 6
Hi Tinni, just wondering what the accurate translation of chapter 404 should be for the exchange between Urahara and Yoruichi. I've noticed significant differences between the Ju-Ni version and the other posted on bleachexile.

Ju-Ni version (page 10 and 11) http://www.mangatoshokan.com/read/Bleach/0/404/10

Urahara: Here he comes.

Yoruichi: I know that.

Urahara: Can you do it?

Yoruichi: Who are you talking to? It's just a matter of striking him with anything other than my left leg.

This translation seems to imply that Urahara is asking Yoruichi to attack, and she agrees as long as she does not use her left leg.

Bleachexile version (page 8 and 9) http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-417-page-8.html

Urahara: He's coming.

Yoruichi: I know.

Urahara: Can you go?

Yoruichi: Who are you talking to? If he hits any place other than my left leg, I'll have nothing to worry about.

This translation seems to imply that Urahara is asking Yoruichi to leave the scene, and that she's dismissing his concern as long as Aizen doesn't hit her left leg. This is completely different from the Ju-Ni version.

Am asking as I edited the summary of this episode in Yoruichi's profile based on the Bleachexile version, and I noticed that the summary for the Decide 6 page reflected the Ju-Ni transaltion.

Thanks!

Follow-up: thanks, will refer it to Whitestrike Sevendreams 15:27, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Thousand Apology
Really I did not notice - will keep that in mind - can you lead me to the right page though

Okay, will keep that in mind - I just thought that time you are allowed to discuss the spoiler in the speculation forum - but I may have misread the wiki's policy - apologize once again - sorry no ill intention and thx for the info - Soulreaper1234 12:46, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Pics and Gifs
I was wondering if you could get like 4-5 good pics for Rukia's fight with Ruobadon. A gif for Renji's zabimaru shikai and a better shot of his bankai. Also looking on its page i think we need a much better/bigger version of the kido spell Hisagi used against Cinder (the rod one). --<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  13:47, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Ugh.
All right, already, I get it. You don't have to sound so sanctimonious about it. --Reikson 04:53, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Oops
My bad, I was trying to get rid of it by using the "Undo", but something screwed up on the way. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  05:36, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Getsuga
Ha ha ha, sorry for that guess I should have expected that from you just hope someone got hit with that logic, see ya. SalmanH  (Talk)  08:52, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Urahara
Hi Tinni! I see you've taken it on yourself to add pics on Urahara's article. I took a bunch of shots for the Bount arc, Arrancar arc, Karakura-Raizer mini episodes, and a couple shots for the Amagai arc, I wonder if you would need any of them or if you think the article is OK the way it is already? Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  07:40, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Hi again! I brought the pics for the Karakura-Rizer mini arc. I just had a question about the Bount arc, I'm unsure of how to place the pic, since I think I'd have to reposition all the pics from the Arrancar arc and onwards to keep the usual pattern (one left, one right), and the section is too small to place two pictures in it. For the Zanpakuto arc there isn't one good shot because the only episode where Urahara shows up they're only sitting and talking. I took a shot of that but I don't think it's really useful. For the Beast Swords it's about the same, and I took a shot of Urahara looking at the pictures of Haineko and Rangiku, but I'm not sure if it's relevant enough to put it up in the article, so I bring them here for your consideration. Lastly, I have a shot for the Amagai arc, from the episode where Lurichiyo organizes a soccer match (during the actual Amagai arc, Urahara was only sitting and talking again, it was pretty frustrating) and Urahara is sponsoring the gama (again, not really relevant), would it be worth adding it to the article? Here are the Karakura-Rizer pics I've got, I hope they are of some use. Lia Schiffer (Talk)

You're welcome! Added the pics for the Bount arc and the Zanpakuto arc, do you think it's necessary to add one for the Beast Swords arc and the Amagai arc? Those two sections are so small that maybe adding a pic would mess the text, but if you think that the pictures are necessary I'll go ahead and add them. As for the Agent of the Shinigami, as I take my pics from the DB eps, and they don't have those, I don't have the episodes, any idea of where I could download them to search for good shots? I think most of the pictures are good like that, but we could definitely have a better one for Ichigo's training. -- Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  08:27, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Mala Suerte
I was just wondering if you had noticed that when adding the Shinigami Women's Association chapter to the respective volume, you had also inadvertently duplicated the contents of the page. I attempted to correct this issue but you subsequently reverted the edit that I had made. Blackstar1 17:33, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Ulquiorra
Hey you handle this stuff better and I believe already answered this more than once. Could you please answer that tired question left on Ulquiorra's talk page about his death and close the discussion. Thanks. Also thanks for the pics and gifs. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  22:22, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

um...
idk if this is appropriate or not, but I like what u said to Ryun Uchiha. "Plus what you think does not interest me." He's always kind of a jerk to me and I doubt it fazed him any but it put me in a good mood ^^--Dusk-sama (対談) 01:12, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Question
Does "Bankai" not mean "Full Release"? Considering the kanji for Full is 卍 which is Ban. NeroDynamic 02:25, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Pics and Gifs
There are some gifs needed for the kido pages Sai, Geki , Bankin , Shakkahō , Raikōhō , Fushibi , Kongōbaku and Orihime's Koten Zanshun. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  04:47, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

== <font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ ==

I am sorry, but I do not appreciate being insulted. For your information, I don't really care about Ulquiorra; I was only relaying the information I had remembered. I had no idea that that forum had covered the topic already (I'm not psychic), so excuse me for feeling I had something I could contribute to the wiki.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 13:57, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

If you look at my contributions, you will also see that after that day I only contributed once in a time of 3 months. I happen to go to other wikis and websites as well, so I had forgotten about the forum and that I had already suggested it. As such, I had no idea you had already responded to my post. Once again, I do not particularly care if Ulquiorra is gone; if he's dead, he's dead. However, I didn't appreciate getting snapped at for an honest mistake.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 14:14, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, if you would take a closer look, you would see that I was not the one who started the topic. In fact, you had even responded to the person who did before I even made a comment about Ulquiorra.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 14:38, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Must I repeat myself? I simply forgot about the forum, on the account that I actually had more to do than wait around for someone to respond (as I said before I go to multiple wikis and sites). Normally, I would apologize for such an accident, but I do not appreciate being insulted over such a trivial mistake. In no way did I vandalize the article or insult anyone about the matter. Rather, I actually had the mind to bring the matter up on the talkpage before I did anything, to make sure I had my facts straight, something I'm sure several Users here lacked the decensy to do. If I made a mistake, then fine, it happens. However, that gives you no right whatsoever to act in such a disrespectful manner to me.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 14:55, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

I am not speaking about the mistake itself. I have never argued that I did not make a mistake. My problem is the attitude you used in pointing out that mistake, which wasn't necessary. And that "forgetting means you're discourteous" junk doesn't fly, because you know full-well that at any point in time, everyone here has forgotten about some topic or discussion they were having. Why? Because they were preoccupied with other matters. I'm sure that you don't appreciate it when people use a tone of anger and annoyance when they point out you made a mistake, especially over such a simple matter. No-one died, and nothing's been removed or altered in any negative way. As such, I fail to see why you're justified in insulting me over a small mistake, that did not affect the wiki itself in any negative way, and took all of a matter of 5 minutes to clear up.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 15:24, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

jaja
i'm from spain, i know more spanish than the others...

Kaomaru14 21:06, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Pics and Gifs
Hey if you can check out Ikkaku's page I think he needs some pics especially in the soul society arc. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  15:44, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Looks like we are in need of a gif for Harribel's ola azul. We might need a better yammy pic at a bigger size. A more manga accurate shot of Barragan's zanpakuto. Its currently shown but off what we previously had from the manga. Really just those things if you can check them out thanks. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  06:17, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Exequias
I forgot that this had been mentioned a while ago, but somebody suggested that the Exequias' article be merged with Rudobon's. Me and Godisme supported the idea, particularly because the article was poorly written and contains a lot of info that seems to have been copy/pasted from Rudobon's page. And then there was the whole Rudobon himself being'' the Exequias thing, of course. None of us ever followed up with this though. I just wanted to know what your opinion on the matter is. Mohrpheus 04:57, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Images
Hey Tinni I saw you've been busy lately putting in proper images for the articles and I was just wondering if you needed any help with finding images for some articles? Prophet of Sanghelios 10:18, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

No worries, I'll check out the summaries and see what I can do. Prophet of Sanghelios 23:11, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

featured Article
hey u got any good featured artilce pics for urahara? --<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  13:02, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Yammy Riyalgo
Tinni, may I please state my argument about Yammy?--Moe1216 14:32, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Grimmgow called himself Arrancar no. 6 when he first intorduced himself. Plus Yammy said his rank only changes based on the amount of energy he conserved before releasing.--Moe1216 17:13, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Very well. Have a nice day.--Moe1216 23:08, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

considerable knowledge
i thought that when talking to Nnorita he said the old man made him have a lesson once. Still if that wasn't the case we saw him swing a sword once, i wouldn't count that as considerable knowledge. <font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">Wolfwood <font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">(Talk)

?
Whats a Bogan? GinIchimaru 17:40, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry
For editing a closed discussion and then reverting it. =P FireLordZuko 23:43, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Mashiro vs. Wonderweiss Pics
I recently finished up the summary of Kensei/Mashiro's fight against Wonderweiss (though I still need to reference it). I'm not so sure how to access the database myself, so I was wondering if you could find any pics of their battle, such as when Mashiro's mask broke. I know I can use pics of Kensei's Bankai and perhaps Mashiro's Cero, which I already know how to obtain, but I just wanted to know if we had anything more readily available. Mohrpheus 04:35, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * As per the fight guidelines here are to be no manga pictures used only anume if the article is finished we wait until there are anime pics available. As for the spoiler page issue Ill have to talk with the other admin, as im still fuzzy on what is supposed to change. --<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  11:09, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, not a problem then. I'll just go ahead and reference the article. Mohrpheus 19:35, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Isshin's Getsuga Tensho
In reference to the closed discussion here, are you, by way of absolute, claiming that Aizen was always in shikai when he implemented Kyoka Suigetsu's Complete Hypnosis? If so, I think that would be a fallacious argument. There are many instances where he never drew his sword or issued a command in order to use that special ability; one clear instance of which is his first public appearance after his "death," on Sokyoku Hill, during his "fight" (for lack of a better term) with Captain Komamura. He never unsheathed or sheathed Kyoka Suigetsu during the entire exchange, nor did he utter "Shatter." But it is definitely and clearly witnessed that he used Complete Hypnosis before unleashing Black Coffin on the unsuspecting and unprepared Komamura. I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful, but I would have to agree with everyone else in that discussion: that you were the one making the speculation. To say that special abilities are never (and can never be) used in the Zanpakuto's sealed state is a speculation. We are never told that, and for us to say it is a definite, without any solid evidence to back up such a claim, is speculation. And quite honestly, you could have shown a little more tact instead of outright calling someone's suggestion "crack" the first time you respond to their off-hand comment. If you disagree, kindly say so and explain why. They were not trying to discredit you or vandalize the page in any way and, therefore, should have been treated with at least a modest level of respect. After all, they were only seeking to improve the page - which is what we are encouraged to do, is it not? Jrutled3 07:18, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

RE:Petition to re-open discussions forum?
Sounds good to me. Provided it is alright with Arranar109 and Salubri, I say go for it. Yyp (Talk) 13:03, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Will do. Yyp (Talk) 09:39, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Not Applicable?
Of course it is applicable. It is a special ability of a zanpakuto in its sealed form. If he could do it, why not Isshin? AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield 20:39, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Gif
Hi Tinni, I heard that you were the one who usually supplies the gifs on this wiki and if you would can you please tell me how you did it aside form uploading it off youtube or any other video sites, in case you need to know, it's for my wiki. SalmanH  (Talk)  08:10, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

I restarted the Samurai Jack wiki with a couple of others, and although we've only gone from the 11 wikipedia copied pages to 58 new ones it's not enough, but what you said sounds like a slide show but with speed enhanced frames that make it look like a video, that's really impressive improvisation, thanks for the help Tinni. SalmanH  (Talk)  08:51, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Troubling User
I went ahead and blocked him. He has already shown that he's not going to change his behavior towards you or any other users around here. Additionally, after he threatened you, and after you pointed out that he cursed Maggosh out, I went looking to see if he did anything else, and he did curse out Maggosh one time before that, trying to "censor" what he called him. I'm not sure how many times he's cursed out someone here, but enough is enough. If anyone else is like this anywhere, especially on blogs, let me or any of the other administrators know. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  17:29, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Not a bad idea. Yeah, Blog moderation has been a problem, and that it got this severe just makes it much more clear that it is needed. I'll bring it up with the other administrators. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  18:03, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the heads up. Glad to see the issue was dealt with. I'd also like to apologize for my recent 'antagonizing'. maggosh 19:54, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Blog abuse
sorry about that, the has been pretty weird since he started posting things and i didn't really know how to take it. Don't worry i will make sure to clamp down on any future incidents. Sometimes i see guys saying things in terrible english and assume they don't really understand what they are saying since they're forgien and don't know better. The last thing i want to do on here is go against policy as i very much enjoy being part of the community. I take my warning seriously and will do my part to ensure everyone here has the same experience as i do. A very apologetic<font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">Wolfwood <font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">(Shoot)  21:04, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Quincy Hospital

 * Hugs* That's awesome! I actually went to Google maps and it seems to be in Quincy, Massachussets (another user had mentioned this city existed) which is fairly close to Boston (where the Quincy Market is) and to the Quincy Bay. So that area is like Quincy land! I really must go to that Quincy Medical Center someday... would I dare ask for Dr. Ishida? I don't know but it would be exciting! Lia Schiffer   (Talk)  05:36, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

How about edit only grammar?
If adding new info, this may be needed but how about changing won't to would not, can't to can not (as for example)? I think there is not need for referencing right?Soulreaper1234 15:00, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Okay will try my best, thanks for the info btwSoulreaper1234 15:15, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah for adding new info on my part, the best is to ask from you guys first if the info can be added or not, to be on the safe side right?Soulreaper1234 15:24, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yup yeah that was always be the case because maybe of translation or other user see it different, I think too much lol, if that is the case I'll try my very best, hey thanks for telling me that, appreciate.(Referencing and additional info)Soulreaper1234 15:40, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Ohh yeah yeah Id notice, I thought if you post like that the admin wouldnt take any action any way but if you told so I think I am gonna copy paste the post and then just paste it on your guys talk page for further action, or just report the things or violation, okay we'll keep this in mind and we'll try my best to combat something like this, (but I remember I did tried to help you out but my post was deleted then the Wolf guy said they were ganging up on you and I just post there is no stupid question at the higher up section maybe just before you replies to the post those guys were on - I didnt relies they were on you at first - hope the matters settle already)Soulreaper1234 16:34, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Eh it does matter. Haha just kidding. Yeah you right. Speak up. You can count on me. No worries. But the World Cup has started already S Africa just drew with Mexico just now. But I hope I can still browse around here to help you guys.

Anway 1 question? Kaien Shiba was older than Byakuya Kuchicki right? TBP arc Ukitake were seen trying to scout him to be his Lieutenant and Gin was Byakuya's age and Aizen were trying to court Gin at the time right? The 4 noble families includes Kuchiki House, Shihouin House, Shiba House, and another 1 unnamed? What do you think? Am I right on this one?Soulreaper1234 17:15, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

There's no info yet on the other 2, am I cracking here one of it Kurosaki family, what do you think?Soulreaper1234 17:29, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Okay thanks 4 taking your time chatting with me on here and for the info too, Im gonna watch Uruguay vs France now and then sleep. Hey you have been the spine of this wiki apart from the 3 admin guys. Keep up the good work. See you around. Thanks again.Soulreaper1234 17:37, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Gif
hey I was wondering if you can possibly get a gif for Maki Ichinose's attack Saigyoku Nijigasumi, the pics there just really aren't working. Thanks. --<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  01:36, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for increasing the size of that Senbonzakura GIF. We needed it on Byakuya's page badly. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  16:48, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Blogs and Forums
Basic case here. We have touched on this a little a long time ago and nothing ever came of it. Quite frankly I cant remember where the conversation was even held. But I believe that for the foreseeable future any blog or forum exclusively about killing someone (i.e. who should die type things) off either good or bad isn't exceptable these are largely based on personal preference have nothing to logically do with making the story any good. Last I checked Kubo writes the stuff. People are entitled to their own opinion but if he wants to kill off all the bad guys as is the usual formula for a story and if he so chooses to keep every single good guy thats his choose. We can express the issue which is fine but listing characters aren't productive. Any such pages or sections should be deleted or put up for deletion and an admin made aware. It starts to border on disrespect of the work. We may not agree with a decision and can voice that concern but we shouldn't make it personal cause you can't connect with the character. I mean at some point we all known Gin and Aizen will go because of the role they are playing. Ive been seeing various instances of blogs or forums calling for the death of good guys for just the personal preference of killing them off.--<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  17:08, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Timeline Project
I would like to help in the timeline project. I happen to own the "souls" character guide and I know a lot of the dates and can give approximate dates as well. If you are interested in my help leave a message on my talk page. --Lemursrule 17:47, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks I will get a start on it --Lemursrule 02:13, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed a few errors on dates. On August 1(SS time), Ichigo and company arrive in SS and We Have Ichigo Vs Jidanbou, then Gin cuts off Jidanbou's arm. After that Orihime heals Jidanbou and the residents of Rukongai welcome the group and let them stay overnight. Then in the night Ichigo and company run into Ganju and his crew. Then on August 2nd Ichigo and friends meet Kuukaku Shiba and spent the night at her house while she prepares the cannon and Ichigo works on controlling his spirt energy to create a barrier. Then on August 3rd, the group lands in the Seireitei and are split apart. Then we have Ichigo vs Ikkaku, Ganju vs. Yumichika, Uryu vs. Jirobo, and Ichigo vs. Renji. Let me know if you agree with these dates before we discuss about correcting them or not. I will continue on other dates. --Lemursrule 02:54, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed another error, Aizen was murdered August 4th(also my b-day, death and destruction always seem to happen on that day, weird), because Toshiro fights Gin on August 4th. But the Izura momo fight is stated on this wiki to have happened on August 5th, even in SS time there is no way that could be possible. Is it alright if I fix the dates both in the time line and fight summary projects? Let me know before I do anything. --Lemursrule 19:33, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Ok sounds great, plus I am still getting the hang of editing in the correct formats, so that works for me I will continue to add the other dates, plus I have some dates for the arrancar saga, but I am waiting to finish the SS arc before I go on. --Lemursrule 00:00, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Help
I need a name for the agent of the shinigami arc on the fights project and im running a blink here. --<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  00:01, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Pics and Gifs
Thanks for before.

Also the issue with these latest episodes are they are giving us horrible shots to pic up and thats on top of the usual anime inaccuracies and filler. Beyond that the fight article for soifon and barragan is in need of one where they are facing off against each other. I saw a few in this current episode when both where in each others personal space. One where she first attacks him head on theres a sec where they are both there perfectly before she misses and backs off. Then there are few others as well. We also need a gif of starrk firing his chest cero being that it didn't give a good angle in this arc. Thats probably all for the moment. --<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  16:15, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Tier Halibel
On CR subs (provided by viz media) has espada #3 name romanticized as "Tier Halibel." Now Viz provides CR the subs and Viz gets the names from their Japanese Licensor. I would take what came from the official source in Japan over fansubs and fanscans. What do you think? Plus I think the name is pronounced as tea'air(french) Hal-e-bell, which (in my opinion) sounds much better than Tia Harribel. Again get back to me about what you think. --Lemursrule 18:59, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Templates and Articles
Ok I spent most of the day updating or making templates unique to the sight or rather specifically for the sight. In light of that there are some in general at the moment that a question a need to keep. Template:Flickr4, Template:Flickr5, Template:Quote, Template:Lorem ipsum and Template:Spoiler. On that note what has either been added and updated include: Template:Block-request, Template:Discussion Resolved, Template:SectionUC, Template:Sectionexpand, Template:Talkheader, Template:Unsigned, Template:Uw-vandalism1. All these should be looked at and used quite alot now. We also need to be promoting the use of the Bleach Wiki:Sandbox for users. I also wanted to put forth the concept for a new Image Gallery and Bleach Wiki:User Groups.--<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  02:00, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Rude
If you want to be rude you can be rude, but I can also voice my opinion of your rudeness. Having freedom to say things however you want works both ways. I have told you before that I find you to be very disrespectful to just about every one other than the admins. As you sit in a position of power, I think you should be nice to better the site and make users feel welcome. I cannot force you to be nice but I have to askk, what happened to you that made you so cruel?--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  02:58, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

I don't pick on you but if I see someone being rude, I tell them to not be so rude and for the most part everyone is pretty nice around here except for you. You are consistently mean and way too blunt. Salurbi can be the same way sometimes and I try to tell him to not be so rude as well. As I have said, I think many new users come on here and are too scared to make a second edit after one of our regulars scolds them for making a bad edit. Im looking out for the little guy and I believe in a three strikes rule but it seems no one else does--<font color="black" face="Verdana">God <font color="black" face="Verdana">(Pray)  03:24, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hide
Something is currently wrong with the hide template and i cant tell what it is. Ive looked all over the code. Ive looked all over i cant figure whats wrong but it must have recently happened. See if you can turn up anything and let me know thanks.<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  14:04, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Oh ok so what am i supposed to be looking at in relation to the button. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  14:46, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Checked the source code and from the best I can tell the code is linked from an outside source. I can change it but im not sure what that will do. <font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  15:52, June 18, 2010 (UTC)