Talk:Äs Nödt

As Nodt is a MALE
Why was his gender changed back to "it" Tite Kubo said himself that he was a guy.
 * No, Kubo did not say Äs is male, another user said Kubo said Äs is male. He's the only person we've heard that from, and while I'm not calling his truthfulness into question, we need additional sources that corroborate this in order to say he's male. If we went around changing stuff on the wiki because someone said Kubo told them, we'd be no better than the fanfiction wiki.--Xilinoc (talk) 15:33, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * All translators I've seen seem to agree As is a man. In chapter 501, Byakuya thinks to himself "what are these light thorns he's using". Shall I look for the raws? Will-O-Wisp (talk)

While I'm inclined to agree that As is male, we've already went over this with the Translation Corner in the past, and in past scans, As and anything referencing it has used gender-neutral pronouns. If we have the raws of the recent chapter translated by our translation corner, and if we can confirm that it uses male-specific pronouns, then we can change As Nodt's gender to male, but until we can actually prove it, we can't change it. If you can find the raw to recent chapter, then bring it up with the Translation Corner, and we can have them verify it. Arrancar109 (Talk)  21:39, January 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well cnet and badkarma both have rukia call As a male.--
 * I wish mangahead had the raws for 566, which they oddly never put up, but regardless, I am about ready to say male is the definitive answer by this point given that even cnet is using it.
 * Agreed. I'm also getting tired of dancing around this subject. Arrancar109 (Talk)  21:40, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, fed up of this as well. If there is consensus to change it, I've a changed version here to save anyone the bother of typing out all the changes. Though there are fight and chapter summaries to do too. 23:56, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * Though I argued against changing it based on someone being offended in a lower subsection, I wouldn't mind changing everything to "he" and "his", if only to avoid and end further posts and arguments about gender. Unless, of course, the mask comes off next chapter and it turns out to be a girl, in which case fun times.--Xilinoc (talk) 01:22, February 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, I took the layout from Yyp's page and copied it over here. Now we can finally put this issue to rest.

Is it finally time?
So, I think, with the release of 566, we can put at least one of the two disputes concerning Äs Nödt to bed. I am inclined to wait for Cnet's translation and the raw, but regardless, there certainly was alot of use of the word "Fear" in quotes, which has been a common way of denoting the Sternritter's epithets. And then we have the long-standing dispute on gender. Once again, the word "he" was used in the scan (on both Stream and Panda), but that's probably gonna need more discussion.

I concur, I noticed the "He" part too, besides, his hands are frigging huge. On the downside he does look like the chick from the ring and the grudge a little bit.Skitzo1 (talk) 18:12, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

The "he" thing has been talked about in detail at the top of this page: Boku is gender neutral, Strean and Panda use it for concenience. That being said, As Nodt looks like a male except for the face and painted nails, which could just be eccentricity. On the fear thing, an admin said above that it was safe, so I dont know why you guys dont go with that. --SternRitterÄs (talk) 20:43, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

I think "The Fear" was more or less backed by the volume sketch from Out Of Bloom. Yyp seemed all right with it being put in, but that was well over a year ago. As for his gender, well, I have always thought his body shape looks a little masculine. And I have yet to find a legitimate source that indicates that "boku" isn't predominantly masculine, but that may or may not have been touched upon by the Translation Corner already. Ironically, that one interview supposedly confirmed both, but again, that's just beating a dead horse. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  22:11, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Political Correctness
"It" is not a gender-neutral pronoun. "It" can only be used to describe objects, not animals such as humans, which have gender, not even the intersex. As someone who has been called "it" before, I find it offensive that anyone thinks that it's commonplace or acceptable to refer to anyone, even a fictional character, as "it"

I remember on the 07-Ghost wiki, they used s/he, which stands for "she or he", or the pronoun "they", which is irregular, but not unheard of since English doesn't have a proper gender-neutral pronoun.

Or you could just pick one and then edit once their gender is known.

As Nodt is one of the most interesting new characters of the arc and I want to be able to read their wiki page without feeling offended.

KyleKiryu (talk) 02:51, February 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, see, I'm just gonna follow Stephen Fry's reasoning about the phrase "that offends me" and say that one user feeling "offended" by the use of a pronoun isn't anywhere near reason enough to change said pronoun. "It" can be used to identify a person of unidentifiable sex, which Äs Nödt currently is, so the page is fine the way it is. Sorry if you feel "offended", but again, one person isn't reason enough.--Xilinoc (talk) 03:12, February 3, 2014 (UTC)