User talk:Twocents

Welcome
Hi, welcome to Bleach Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Shūhei Hisagi page.

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Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Salubri (Talk) 16:14, April 23, 2009

Email
Actually thats a automated message but yea anyhow you should be able to change it in the top right corner. click on more and then my preferences, their should be a box you can check or uncheck so you dont get stuff sent to your email everytime. Salubri 16:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey
I believe thats the amount of letters added in the particular edit. Salubri 02:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Reply
Users are mostly free to edit their user page as they like, so we usually don't patrol or look at edits made on Use pages, however we don't allow any kind of cursin or intimidating behavior on this wiki so thank you for bringing it to my attention. his page was reverted back to clear to menacing text. I you have any more questions or find any thing else along this lines of subject feel free to bring it up to me and I'll look at it an handle it properly. WhiteStrike 09:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: amp
Yeah, I noticed this a long time ago. What keeps getting added are both amp and 160. I found out that this was indeed involuntary and somehow a glitch that occurs to some of the newer accounts. Why? I'm not sure to be honest. I tried starting a Forum topic to discuss this weird glitch, but so far nobody's contributed, likely because they're not sure why either. At any rate, if you find any, go ahead and delete them, since it's an unintentional glitch. Arrancar109 22:38, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Forum
Hey I think I found your answer on the forum just take a look.... SEE YA!

Re: Preferred Style
Sorry, I forgot about this one. To be honest, I'd say yes, Vizard would likely have to be capitalized as well. Talk it over with either WhiteStrike or Salubri as well. I think at least 2 administrators have to be in agreement with this. Arrancar109 06:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the list is not all inclusive meaning it doesn't contain a full list of capatilized letters. Vizard is a race so to speak so yes all the races are Capatilized I'll include it i the Bleach Wiki:About page so as to clear any misconceptions. WhiteStrike 06:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Help
Hey Cents do you mind if I ask you something, for one have you ever heard of samurai jack if so do you like it or not and if you do, would you be willing to help me out on that wiki because the only users there number to about five i think including me and they are barely if ever on that site there are about 11 articles on that wiki most of the stuff are copied directly off wikipedia and I am having a tough time building it up and fixing the existing articles, but if you're too busy or simply because you don't want to I understand and if you know anyone who you think would be interested let me know. Thanks.--SalmanH 20:50, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, and good luck to you too my friend.--SalmanH 05:34, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: quick question
Usually trying different translators is the best. Babel, google translator, microsoft translator are the ones i usually use. I also go to wikictionary and look up each kanji individually or serach the kanji in the japanese wikipedia and look at the english page that's connected to it. For Katakana nowing how to pronounce something from katakana, hiragana or kanji (not so much kanji since one thing can be said in many ways) is best to use to rimaji translator at romaji.org, and of course just asking a Japanese person that speaks english to translate for you. This are just a few of the tools I use but if you look hard enough you can find somemore out there. Hope this help you a bit. WhiteStrike 23:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, quick question;
You know that edit I made to the Zanpakutō Unknown Tales arc page?

How exactly is that speculating?--Reikson 05:42, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Here's the thing; I found an image somewhere, that someone had scanned from a Japanese SJ, and another person had quoted the translation of the captions (I don't know what to call it, exactly), entirely in Japanese by the way 'cause I don't speak or read a lick of it, that the so-called Zanpakutō Rebellion arc would be the first arc to have Tite Kubo collaborating with the filler arc's writers and artists.--Reikson 06:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, you want proof too, huh? Don't get your hopes up, that's for sure.--Reikson 06:32, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

See if you can translate the stuff that I found here.--Reikson 06:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Or here. --Reikson 06:44, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Becoming an Admin
Thank you very much, I do meet two of the three requirements, I'll have to check for the absent days on the Bureaucrat/Admin of that wiki, although I'd have to take it directly to the guy who signed my page and that's Uberfuzzy which frankly makes it seem kind of difficult because he's one of the Community team but thanks again for letting me know about this Twocents.--SalmanH 15:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I've just become one the Admins/Bureaucrats of Samurai Jack wiki.--SalmanH 17:22, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey, i changed Bankai to Shikai(Kaname Tosen), because Aizen and Gin hasn't revealed their Bankai yet.

Hey
Let me explain something to you if you want to correct grammar or the like thats one thing but the level of deletion which includes removing references which is vandalism is unnecessary. Not to mention its blatantly disrespectful to me seeing as you werent the one doing references in maintenance on the page for the past 5 days straight i was.Salubri 06:01, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Im not sure who you have me confused with but i never told anyone any thing like what you described and if you read the manga you will find that all that is listed there is exactly in the manga if you dont want to read it then dont cause prior there was little to nothing in the page as to the details of what took place, not everyone reads the manga and the anime only shows or tells you so much. The edits on grammar and spelling is one thing but its over 12,000 plus changes mostly in the bount arc, all that took place and yes it took a long time that i could have been doing something else. References need to be done and the articles need to be fleshed out instead of 2 small paragraphs for every arc. Could it be pushed down yes, but At the level your making changes not but a few hours after i finished i might as well have not done anything if its gonna be totally deconstructed.Salubri 06:22, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

The Law of Ueki
do you know what the Law of Ueki is if you do sign on to the new just made Law of Ueki wikia on http://lou.wikia.com/wiki/Law_of_ueki_Wiki

Re: Lisa & Favicon
Cool. Thanks for the finds. Those are all good choices. I admit that I'm leaning towards #2, but I'm not sure if there's gonna be a problem with Hiyori being in the background or not. I might talk it over with the others first.


 * Actually, I'm gonna go ahead with #2. If there's a problem with the other administrators, then we'll discuss it. Again, thanks for the finds. Arrancar109 17:28, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

And sorry about me not responding to the Favicon thing earlier. I didn't really originally know how to change it until someone else put it up on this site. Did you get that issue resolved yet? Arrancar109 17:22, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Images
I don't think hunting for Byakuya's would be necessary. Before someone insisted on a full-body pic as the profile image for him, there was a suitable mugshot for him displayed there. I'll see if I can relocate it. Arrancar109 04:14, September 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, here it is. I'll change it to this one: http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/File:Byakuya2-1-.jpg Arrancar109 04:16, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

About your edit to the Tesla article
I edited in that sentence because in Neliel's flashback chapters he's shown with both eyes, indicating that, if you follow a path of logic, he must have lost his right eye sometime between the flashback episodes and the time that the main storyline takes place. Ulyenov 00:22, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Super update to the episode pages
Hey Twocents - just wanted to say you did really good work on the episode pages. The navigation thing makes it a lot easier to go through the individual pages. Great idea and a very welcome improvement indeed. --Yyp 11:27, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. --Yyp 16:15, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

hey
just to let you know about what i know about the new look of the spirit of zabimaru. even though their new appearence is only in the anime, it is actually true that tite kubo himself along with another member of the staff came up with their new look and this makes it official from tite kubo.

GAME SAGE  J  o  n  a  t  h  a  n   S  m  i  t  h 

Ichigos Determination
I was wondering what should be done about Ichigos determination being listed as an actual in his personality. Shoulg U & I just change this or see if more people reply to the discussion? Minato88 19:08, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm guessing we either take it up with WhiteStrike or Salubri to see what they think. Yeah, I admit that the "Determination" thing is hugely trivial, but it's probably something that the administrators should agree to remove or keep before anything is done, and that more than one should be in agreement for it. Arrancar109 19:12, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Changes
Hey I'm just reminding you that you need to be more aware of whats happening on the site, recent changes and upgrades on the site. I've decided to leave majority of the topics on watercooler on there, but new need to adhere to the new criteria. The Forum category has expanded and upgraded, the community has expanded and upgraded as well as the entire sidebar. Check it all out.Salubri 03:51, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

RE:Sidebar
Fixed.Salubri 06:46, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Adminship
Well after going it over with the other admin we have decided to offer you a position as an Administrator on this wiki. If you want to accept then just let me know. Also I have already made you aware of the changes and im also looking for some feed back on the colors on this wiki as it is comparatively bland in comparison to others. Check out the policy section and all that to can be as up to date as possible on the site if you haven't already. Thanks.Salubri 17:05, October 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Since you accepted the offer of administratorship that Salubri gave, I went ahead and changed your user rights to such. Arrancar109 19:55, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Re: References
Hm, I thought I responded to that question. Anyway, I would say that looks good. I mean, I thought we were doing it that way in the first place, and while I have been doing it sometimes, I haven't been writing down References a whole lot when I write down material for articles, mostly because I have been doing it by memory. Anyway, I think it would be good like that, but like you were doing (due to my ridiculous response time), get confirmation from Salubri as well, since he's a lot better with References than I am. Arrancar109 19:43, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

That's virtually the same way I was doing the references, except with a small c & e for chapter & episode. I've been trawling through the All Pages list & have noticed that the references are different styles on a lot, and I mean a lot of pages, and it looks odd seeing them change from one page to the next. Agreeing on a standard version & putting it in the manual of style would be great. Whatever style is agreed upon, I'll take on changing them too. --Yyp 20:08, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Well I agree with you on the references, I have personally done the vast majority of the pages references. Though some I haven't gotten to for a complete listing of which ones i have and have yet to get just check my page. But the criteria i was using was always (Bleach manga; Chapter 200, page 5-8) and (Bleach anime; Episode 201); but your right at the very least there should be mention of it in the manual of style but even more so people need to get clear on not adding information that they can't or don't reference as its a pain to do.

Also The main page is a issue as I think it can be better. We need a current events box above the featured article, below that featured article we need a featured picture and featured quote, which should also be voted on as the article is voted on.Salubri 22:47, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

That reference style is fine with me. I happy to go with that. --Yyp 09:40, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I'll use that for all future edits I make. For now, I'll change any that do not match this as I come across them, but when I get a change, I'll go rooting through the "All Pages" list again and fix the ones I can find. --Yyp 14:44, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Yup. That would be great. Thanks --Yyp 14:55, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Omake references: I had a similar problem on Akon's page. I went with Bleach manga; Colourful Bleach 11 omake. I thought about going with Bleach manga omake; Colourful Bleach 11, or maybe Bleach manga; Omake, Colourful Bleach 11. I prefer the first one, though the third one seems suitable too. Yyp 11:14, October 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's added. I also clarified a point in the Spoiler Policy. It now explicitly mentions that chapter titles are not to be added until release. (And apologies for my delay in answering. My excuse isn't as good though. I'd actually gone to bed.) --Yyp 10:08, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that. That's why I thought it best to make it extra clear. Thankfully the chapter title wasn't that bad of a spoiler this week. Also, I wanted to let you know that I changed the "Community Corner" section on the "My Home" page to draw attention to a few things. I wasn't really sure what to add to it, but any advice or announcements, or anything you want to highlight - add it there. I don't know how many people see it there, but it is a handy way to pass on messages to everyone. --Yyp 17:46, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Hello?
I heard that you vouched to help Tinni and joined the Volume of the week club, but Tinni specifically left volume 30 to me. I know that anyone can edit any Wiki page, but I scarcely see the need. My detail on the Unexpected chapter was perfect enough. so why? :(

The sentence you know corrected, "Nnoitra then notices that the nearest energy level, Rukia was taken in by Aaroniero." does not make any sense without the around "Rukia", which correctly identifies who the nearest energey level was.

Also, about the sentence "Aaroniero calls out her name, in two separate voices."

would add more suspense and sound more appealing to the reader if it was more like "Aaroniero calls out her namein two separate voices.

--Saru Lunarjack333 02:06, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

I Sincerely apologize for that last comment and have removed it. I see how some of my summaries were "opinionated" as in the suspense one. I apologize again. I am merely trying my up most work in fixing the chapter summaries. Being a new member is no excuse, but I ask that we work together, not against each other, by cooperating & deciding what should the best way to word the chapter summaries.

Sincerely,

--Saru Lunarjack333 02:06, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Strange, I visited the Volume a Week Club page, but there was a notice that it was up for deletion. Did they move the discussion?

--Saru Lunarjack333 02:11, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Thank You! Again, sorry for the snappy comment. :(

--Saru Lunarjack333 02:18, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Oho... You've worked on a newspaper for six years? Than you must be quite experienced. (I'm still an itty-bitty senior) ^_^

As I've told tinni, I became so snappy because I fear that endless hours of hard work would be deleted & undone in mere moments by some ignorant troll member. Obviously with you're experience that is not you, but there is always a troll here.

--Saru Lunarjack333 02:24, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the comforting information. ^_^

now, as our first joint discussion about the chapter summaries, I noticed that all of the information between "Annoyed, Ulquiorra sarcastically questions what Orihime expects him to say." And "However, Orihime steps up and delivers a hard slap across his face in retaliation" is missing. I feel confused because all of that information was factually stated here: and here:  so, it actually should remain there.

Your opinions?

--Saru Lunarjack333 02:44, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

But isn't that the purpose of detail itself? Knowing step-by-step what is being said and occurring in a chapter?

--Saru Lunarjack333 02:48, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

I see, I see. ^_^

Well, I've been on this computer for hours so i guess I'll call it a night. But darn, I thought that the summaries were relly a replacement for reading the chapter & were supposed to be that detailed. >_<

I guess that I'm such a big fan of Bleach that I wanted to include each and every litte thing.

Oh well. ^_^

sincerely & wishing you a wonderful night,

--Saru Lunarjack333 03:15, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Main page
Well what i think we should have going on here is this. When I say current events I mean current events for the wiki, which can be archived and referred and say started in the updates to the bleach wiki which is found on the community portal. It would be linked to the main page and appear in a similar box above the the featured article box. Featured Quote and picture should be voted on monthly like the article and yes the users can submite the quote and picture that they think would be a good candidates on the specific pages similar to how the article pages are voted on its particular page. I also wanted to see a official color scheme go down on the bleach site as its is extremely bland and uninteresting to look at.Salubri 15:25, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Yea that would work run it by Arrancar109 and Yyp so we can come together on this.Salubri 17:09, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

The main page is, well, seriously underwhelming at the moment. So I would welcome these additions. My thoughts on the proposals (sorry if there's a bit too many questions there):
 * Current events: Sounds fine to me, but I was wondering, what exactly would these events be?


 * Featured quote: I really like the sound of this one. I already know what my vote would be. But this will need to be watched carefully/strict guidelines implemented, as I can see it being a target of abuse. Also, what kind of quotes would we be looking for? Do quotes from Kubo's interviews count? Would we set any minimum or maximum size? Voting would presumably be run at the same time as the other featured pieces, yes?


 * Featured picture: I'm alright with this. I'm assuming this will be open to pictures from both the anime & manga, as well as artbooks/databooks etc? Also, where do we stand on the random image? Is that being kept, and if so, where will the two be placed in relation to each other? I suppose that last one is a minor detail that can be worked out as the stuff is being added. Voting would presumably be run at the same time as the other featured pieces, yes?


 * Colour scheme: I agree that the large numbers of differing colours of the boxes is too varied. It would be much easier if they were all the same/similar. --Yyp 17:58, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Featured quote: That's actually a very good point. Agreement on a preferred scanlation would be super. I've been wondering about that for the Quotes section on the character profiles too. And including references is a must for those voting. Manga or anime is fine, but what about the movies? I'd allow them too, but that's where I'd draw the line. Video games - don't think so. All the interviews I've seen are unofficially translated by fans and often mis-quoted. Including them would be ill-advised, I think. No promo stuff either. So I'd limit it to manga, anime & movies only.

Featured pic: Agreed. I'm not bothered about whether or not that little random pic stays or goes. As much as I love the things I've seen in the artbooks, I'd say not to include them as they are not readily available for us to check them. Also, no fanart. About the art/databooks - Ju-Ni have "All Colour But The Black" available on their site. I have only ever come across randomly scattered pieces of the other ones. Never a whole thing. And what I do find is usually just the translated text without the pictures.

Colours: The Bleach logo seems a good reference to use. I'm ok with that. --Yyp 18:56, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Featured Quote: I'd say only material that was released prior to the start of voting should be admissible, just to make it fair. As for agreed scanlator - maybe we should create a topic in the forums to ask everyone's opinion. Personally I dislike onemanga, as they usually only put up the first scan they get their hands on, and rarely replace it with a more accurate one. I find Ju-Ni & Maximum7 to be the most accurate.

Featured Pic: Agreed.

Colours: Agreed. Though I wouldn't object to other colours being used if necessary. But that would be my first choice. --Yyp 19:56, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Ok I did a basic design for the main page im liking it I only have issue with the sidebar being too high i have to figure that out but its not too big of a deal. Also the content and current story sections are very small but that can be fixed as well I just have yet to do it until i see what the reaction is to the page over all. The other thing is we might have to put up a background wallpaper like thing but it might not be necessary as well as we might need a banner at the top but still not certain on that. But over all tell me what you think.Salubri 22:33, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

More like the picture and quote will go below the featured article in their own separate box.Salubri 23:34, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Templates
Theyre not really that bad but i see your point maybe they can be scaled down a little but not to the sparse extent of the episode one.Salubri 17:18, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Well yes the color can change and maybe like in the chapter one just have vol 1-10 and the others u get to by using next which takes you to 11-20 and so on.Salubri 17:39, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hey Twocents, thanks for undoing the vandalism committed in the Vizard Page; It disgusts me when people remove vital information without giving any valid explanations. I was about to undo it when you did; Nice save. Btw, congratulations to you and Yyp for being recently promoted to administrators; Additional staff members like you guys will definitely help Fellow Administrators WhiteStrike and Arrancar109 improve this wiki by at least 20% more. Keep up the good work.:)--Ethelion 02:00, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

A real asset, huh? Wow, I'm touched.:) I'm definitely going to look forward working with you. Thanks too, Twocents!:)--Ethelion 02:06, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

RE:Zanpakuto
Leave it for now i got somethings i seriously want to do with that page in general. But it brings up a good point that i had brought up to Arrancar109 about filler arcs. I think it should be noted on every page with filler arc information under that arc name that it should specifically state that events occurring are not considered to be canon. Having said that i would propose a guideline on how the fillar arcs are handled. As before it needs to be stated that the events are not canon but as long as there are elements that do not conflict with canon material it can be used. The exception can be zanpakuto information gained from the current arc as that information wouldnt be gained any other way. But more importantly i hear tell that Kubo was working directly on this arc which lends credibility to it as canon material. But im not sure for certain.Salubri 02:17, October 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * I feel that "Every Zanpakuto has an instinct" would be covered under the "a Zanpakutō is a being unto itself and tends to be highly temperamental..." statement two paragraphs above it. It is long winded, contains questionable info and contains irrelevant material (Ichigo swearing to kill Muramasa). So on that basis, I'd say get rid of it. But if Salubri is planing something for that page, then I guess it can be left for now. I've fixed up the addition a bit. --Yyp 10:10, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Your welcome. Have you seen this yet? Forum:Spoiler Policy --Yyp 16:08, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

I've added a bit to the spoiler policy. Let me know if you disagree with its wording. Feel free to add to it or re-word it if you can improve on it. --Yyp 16:43, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

On a related note, I was toying with the idea of using the Template:Spoiler for the spoiler page. I thought it would be a good addition, but having tried it out, I think it seems a bit pointless, considering that the entire page is just one joint spoiler. Just something I was toying with, since it is there. Thoughts? I'll answer the redirect thing in a bit. --Yyp 16:56, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Extra warning would be good, I suppose. I'll have another go at it.(I once clicked the random page link and it took me to the Spoilers page. The spoiler in question: Wonderweiss impaling Ukitake.) --Yyp 17:13, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

RE:Quotes
Your right they arent necessary they can be removed. Salubri 07:04, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing. As you say they don't show off anything about the character's personality etc, and are doublely pointless as the release commands are already stated on the pages. --Yyp 17:44, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Redirects
Yeah, I've noticed that too and I agree. Most of them are just the one person (User:The_Shadow_Dragon). I've looked through his contributions and nearly all 1100 of them are re-directs. A lot of them seem to be of little value (a lot of romanizations and different translations of the same word/phrase, most of which I've never heard and other stuff that I don't see the value of - certainly not stuff I'd expect many people would search for), but he has added many useful ones too. As for a policy, I'd say check with Arrancar109 & Salubri to get their thoughts on it, as I don't really know. On a related note, there are about 50 double redirects listed on the wiki's maintenance reports. Would it be worth talking to this guy about helping out with these while asking him to cut down on the number of re-directs? --Yyp 17:10, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Seems largely unnecessary talk to them and make any rollbacks that you find to be necessary.Salubri 18:13, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed. I'm not sure what their angle is, but yeah, some of it seems too irrelevant to be listed as a possible redirect. If a redirect seems irrelevant to you, then I'd say it's okay to get rid of it. Heck, it's one of the possible reasons to delete an article (I've done it yesterday to several of Lol pie's redirects), since either more than one person fits the category, not many people think to use the redirect, or if the redirect seems pointless overall. As for the 50 redirects that are double-redirects... I think rearranging them is dependent on whether it's noticeably relevant to the article it's supposed to be redirecting to or not (ex: "Sound" to Sonído doesn't seem that relevant, since it's a broad term that can literally mean anything). Arrancar109 18:17, October 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know what you mean. I know my tendency to rollback a lot of edits had certain users thinking I do it for the heck of it (especially regarding the Trivia sections). Establishing a policy might be a good idea, but I'm not sure if we'd do it based on the actions of only two users, especially if they can be persuaded to stop by just talking to them. We'll see what happens though. Salubri might think it's a good idea as well. Arrancar109 18:28, October 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Didn't know he was leaving a message when I made mine. Yeah, a policy seems definite now. Arrancar109 18:29, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Make a policy, people respond better to that as well if there is something to refer back to then they have no excuse for not following it cause its there. Also taking whole sections out of a article like that one guy was doing to the vizard page, there is no excuse for that and its blatant vandalism to do so, people like that should be blocked for 3 months to a year which is up to you which but im not gonna go about being lenient and giving a warning.Salubri 18:26, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

On that note, I've been thinking about this for a small bit. I've noticed that Shinenju/Memory Rosary redirects to Senna's page. Since it was originally thought to be an object rather than a person, I was wondering if I should just type over the redirect and make an article about it, or merge the concept with Blank or Valley of Screams instead. Arrancar109 18:42, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

yea thats good.Salubri 19:32, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't answer sooner, the real world beckoned for a few hours. The new policy is great. Not sure what to do about a "Failure to follow" section though. It is not a serious issue, so punishments shouldn't be too severe imo (except for persistent breaking of it, of course), but I'd leave that up to Arrancar109, Salubri & Whitestrike as they have been doing this for much longer than I have. --Yyp 22:04, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Yup. Information, being presentable and consistency are king. And I think we have that with the new format, even if it is different from the volumes. I haven't found any other pics that are oversized. There are plenty that are different sizes, but there generally close enough that it isn't a problem as far as I'm concerned. --Yyp 12:17, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
No your doing what you gotta do, vandals got to know your no push over and wont just revert and allow them to keep doing it cause any user can undo the damage but there are rules and consequences for the actions people take which im sure you know. Which brings me to a idea that i brought up with arrrancar a week or two ago. I wanted to make the wiki's own version of the central 46 chambers but of course what we would do is vote on 6 people to be members every 2 months then we give them rollback privileges. They are to be arbiters of wiki user disputes and generally uphold the policy of the wiki. This frees up admin to do more important things on the wiki itself, instead of having to deal with constant issues of the users, mind you its still in planning stage so it wont happen soon but im workin on it. Also WhiteStrike lives in Japan and im not sure what he is up to but he hasnt been on a month or two and then he was for like a couple days last month but i dont know what happened to him so im sure he'll be on eventually but i doubt he would want us waiting for him if he is busy with the real world.Salubri 18:52, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Current Story updates
Basically, do it as soon as you feel ready to. Unfortunately, sometimes it does seem to slip under our noses and we forget to update it, but if it comes to mind, then update as soon as you feel you're ready too, even if it is just 1 second after the release of the chapter.

Also, FYI, I usually get the manga from OneManga (which is where I caught site of the new chapter a few minutes ago), so if it updates elsewhere first, I would like to know where, both so I can read, and so I don't get overzealous. Arrancar109 19:10, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Volumes
Well, first, I'm not a fan of the way those infoboxes are done. The boxes themselves look squashed. But I assume that they are like that as a result of trying to fit both the infobox & the all-stars box in at the top. I Agree about the clear template - even on the ones that have very short poems and not too many chapter titles it leaves too much empty space. I can't really think of anything better to do with the pages though. If there was more info that could be added before the all-stars to fill in the space, that would be good. But I can't think of anything else that would be useful to add there. As for your suggestions:


 * 1. Shrinking it is a bad idea, imo. The early volumes have a smaller all-stars box, and it doesn't look good at all. (And I really don't like the black background those early ones use).
 * 2. In addition to it being overlooked, I think putting the all-stars at the end kind of defeats the purpose of having it at all. They're at the start in the volumes so that the (potential) buyer knows straight away which characters play a major role. I feel it should be the same on the volume pages.
 * 3. As for splitting it into two rows of 3, well its not a bad idea. The manga does have them all in one line, put it has more room to play with than we do. It would be nice if we could stick with the way the manga does it, but I feel that getting it to look well on the page is more important, at least on this issue. If there is no better solution, then I'd be happy to go with that. There are some volumes (like Howling) that have 4 characters - they could be done as two characters in each row with the middle panel left empty. --Yyp 21:35, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan (and is more than I could come up with). --Yyp 22:34, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Looks good, and it solves the space problem. My only issue with it is that I found it a bit hard to figure out which picture the name goes with. Especially Inoue, Sado & Rukia as it is now. Is that just me though? And yeah, these big templates can be awkward to figure out. I've been working on one for the artificial souls page and its going nowhere fast. --Yyp 00:02, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Same problem as me. A lot of trial and error. Thing is, my idea was to tidy up and add a bit of detail to a fairly minor page, and I have now spent a ridiculous amount of time at it (more than it was worth anyway). Think I'm getting there though. It's nearing 1am here though, so I'm gonna call it a night. Different colours for the two rows seems a good back-up. Yyp 00:38, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * The thick lines do a good job of separating the names/pics. I saw Tinni's comments on the vol' a week forum, and I must confess that I was surprised that the new box was so wide at first, but I figured I'd get used to it soon enough. Looking at it now (with both the current & old version open beside each other), it still seems too wide (too much empty space on either side of the individual boxes) but otherwise, it is not bad. That's my only issue with it. I've just looked at the coding for it and I don't see a way of adjusting the width. I'd still prefer to have the whole thing in just one row, but since that doesn't seem to be an option, this is a reasonable compromise.


 * The only other concern I have (I think either you or Tinni mentioned it in the forum) is the differing sized pictures used in some of the all-stars. Can't remember where it was, but I remember seeing one that had 5 near-identical sized pics, and then one of Inoue that was twice the height of the others. I don't know if that is a regularly occurring thing, but I'll try and find it again and cut it down to size (or make a new version of it).


 * As for my own little project for the artificial souls page - I've decide to cut my loses and go back to a much earlier and less complicated version of the table I was making. Trying to combine all the stuff in the varieties section the way I wanted to was making it look too weird. But it was a useful experience in getting to know the coding. (And yeah, I'm in Ireland.) --Yyp 12:15, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Right, I found the oversized picture of Inoue and have cropped it so that it isn't so obnoxiously big. The picture's page had a list of pages that it was on, so I was able to change them all. I just spotted the oversized pic of Ulquiorra (though not as big as Inoue's was) and will fix it. Hopefully there aren't any others like that. --Yyp 14:21, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

RE:User Page Policy
Im not sure I really dont go onto the page so i wouldnt have seen it myself.Salubri 22:56, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Do whatever you feel the situation calls for.Salubri 23:01, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Hey man you do good work on here have some faith in yourself, you wouldn't be a an admin otherwise. The difficult part about this wiki is that unlike some others there is too much speculation and vandalism to just leave it to others to do the right thing. I will help you with anything but some stuff you gotta do on your own like handling problematic users. Even then i still have your back, just make sure your in the right. Have some faith. My suggestion would be point on the policy and give him a chance to do right. Salubri 23:13, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

pics
hey im a new member and i always wanted to put a picture of zangetsu's unrealeased sword up. i really don't know how or where to get the picture from and i was wondering if u could do me the favor! respond back when u can!Thanks!:)--Hisagi95 23:07, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

thanks for responding back! but im still a little confused about this. usually after a new charactar is introduced in the manga or anime you guys somehow get a clear picture of the right away. im not sure how u do it but the picture im trying to get is zangetsu's unrealeased sword(before ichigo learns zangetsu's name). i looked for it as a jpg. but i couldn't find it. i really don't know how to scan or take a picture of an image on my computer so i was wondering if u could help or do it yourself. Thanks--Hisagi95 15:40, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

thanks for responding back! but im still a little confused about this. usually after a new charactar is introduced in the manga or anime you guys somehow get a clear picture of the right away. im not sure how u do it but the picture im trying to get is zangetsu's unrealeased sword(before ichigo learns zangetsu's name). i looked for it as a jpg. but i couldn't find it. i really don't know how to scan or take a picture of an image on my computer so i was wondering if u could help or do it yourself. Thanks--Hisagi95 20:15, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Spirit King
I'd just set it as a redirect for now. Arrancar109 03:51, October 31, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, leave it as-is for now. I'll relook them both over later. Arrancar109 03:52, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

excuse moi?
what was that about posting that for that was really rude y'know? just let me know why did you do that for..on my page hollaEliskuya2 23:43, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Watercooler
Hey I wondered if You and Yyp would take on a little project. The watercooler has to be about speculation. There are a number of multiple headings being used about the same topic and they most likely can be joined. Besides that there are alot of things that aren't speculation and are fan fiction or don't have really anything to do with the site that needs to be removed. Prime example of things seemingly very fan fiction like the ichigo vasto lorde posts are unnecessary and not speculation cause they dont come from any actual information from the series just fan stuff. It similar to the talk pages when people put forum stuff on there and they have to be moved, sometimes they go beyond speculation and into fan fiction and just need to be deleted. Salubri 06:41, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

To Twocents & Yyp. I would be glad to help with this project if u want it. As it so happens I mentioned this very thing to Tinni just yesterday, so i'd be more then willing to help. Minato88 07:00, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

To get an idea of what needs to be done, I made a start on merging, and moved a few to the Improvements or Bleach-related discussion forums. My initial thoughts are:


 * 1. We should consider having a single official thread dedicated to the topics that keep coming up (like Yammy at the moment, or the filler arc) and give them official, standardized, easily recognizable titles. Something to the effect of "Official Discussion - Yammy Riyalo" or "The Official Vasto Lorde Thread". Not very original, but it gets the message across. Try to keep as much of the discussion in those threads as possible.


 * 2. If we do that, the main problem is that after it has been in use for a while, any such official thread will become excessively long/unwieldy. At this point, maybe we would close it and start a new one, with the title "Official XYZ Discussion Volume 2", or something like that. Include a link to the old thread at the start of the new one so that people can review it (and a link to the new one at the end of the old one). And let the discussion continue there.


 * 3. Contradicting what I said in 1. - the main problem I can see with merging a load of topics into one is that they can get very long/awkward. I had placed all the Zanpakuto filler threads into one, and them promptly had to split it in two as it was ridiculously large. There's now one dealing with Muramasa-only topics, & one about the arc in general. I think there might be a few that are going to be that way. So to avoid mega-threads like that, I propose taking the most recent 5 or so topics and merging them into one, and scrapping the rest (unless there's any that has particularly good points/ideas made that might merit being kept). Some of them do tend to be the same stuff recycled over & over again, so it wouldn't be any great loss, imo.


 * 4. I also thought of having one page that is essentially a master list of all the existing threads on each topic (with each thread linked). It would contain a list of the major topics (like Ichigo, VLs, the Vizard), then under each heading a list breaking down all the threads about that topic. That's something that might be best done after sorting the rest of the Watercooler out though. Example:
 * Vizard
 * Vizard shikai
 * Vizard masks/eyes
 * Vizard plans/intentions
 * Vizard and Aizen
 * Ichigo Kurosaki
 * Ichigo and Zangetsu
 * Ichigo's Mask
 * Ichigo's fight with... etc.


 * 5. I haven't touched the fan-fic threads yet. I wanted to get some thoughts on these first.

Discussion closed template is a good idea. I'll make one up now. About the fanon vs speculation - I see what you mean. I was a bit wary about that too. I think stuff like the Ichigo's Hollow is a Vasto Lorde is a clear-cut case as it is not based on anything in the story, and doesn't even make sense given how the VLs are explained in the story. But it is likely that there are many that are much more borderline than that. Policy is definitely needed. Salubri seems to have a clear idea of what he doesn't want on the forum, so I'll ask him for some suggestions on that.

And yeah, I was being a bit too general with the grouping of topics. Choosing a narrower topic would be best. For Yammy, maybe one for his powers, one for his current battle, and a general one. Or something like that.

As for were to start, I was thinking maybe if we split the forum up by general categories and make a list of them. Say: Espada; Arrancar in general; Captains; Shinigami in general; techniques; Ichigo (cause he needs category to himself); Vizard, etc (suggest any other categories you can think of). We both pick a category and then go through the Watercooler merging/purging all topics related to that category. It's the only way I can think of to organize a joint effort on this, and it would stop us from overlapping. What do you think? That way we can allow others to get involved too if we wanted to.

Speaking of help, I saw that and said thanks and we'll get back to you and told him to feel free to offer any suggestions/feedback. And Tinni was merging some of them earlier today. But if we do decide to split the work up like that, then we could get them involved. Some level of oversight/support would be needed though, just to make sure we're all on the same page. The more I think about it, the more inclined I am to just keep it to a very small number. --Yyp 19:38, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Right, since I couldn't modify an existing template & save it as a new one, I've found the help section on how to make a template & will have a go at it (hopefully with more luck this time). I don't know how long the forum is either. How about we pick a month and only go back that far for now? Once that's done, we can look through the remainder and decide on whether or not its worth continuing. I don't mind if we have anyone helping out or not, but other people would be able to at least mark a page for deletion and we'd see it from. But it seems an easy enough thing to take care of on our own. --Yyp 20:19, November 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll take the Shinigami, Zanpakuto arc & timeline ones. About the template, I want to see if I can do it myself first. They're useful things to be able to make. Asking Salubri is my back-up. --Yyp 20:34, November 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * I managed to get the template done (by shamelessly copying Salubri's talk page discussion closed template). The help wasn't much help, as I couldn't get it to do what it said, so I went back to his template and figured out why it wasn't working for me before. There are two of them - one for adding to the thread that i being closed, and one for adding to the new page: Template:Old Forum End and Template:Old Forum Start. --Yyp 21:23, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

I wanted to tell u & Yyp great job with the watercooler. Also I have noticed u correcting me when I type & instead of and. I am trying to break this habit so thanks for fixing it. Minato88 05:01, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

I also have seen u fixed the Reference problem on Chizurus page(thanks again). Did that happen cause I didn't make a heading titled References? Oh, I understand now, thanks. Minato88 05:06, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Arcs
Looked at the ate saga things and realized they are not entirely progressive and informative so I was thinking about making templates for Fights, Battles and Wars (where applicable). Then giving those areas their own pages in detail of the events that occurred, similar to a detailed plot line of what took place in the fight or battle respectively. Rather then having it simply listed as the arrancar saga or whatever it should probably have its official title even if it is multiple arcs stemming from the same main storyline, instead of shoving them together all under the one heading. Salubri 17:50, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Ok first one is done let me know what you think. Ichigo Kurosaki vs. Ikkaku Madarame. Salubri 05:47, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Exactly there is room for a picture already i just didn't have one. All will have that. Salubri 15:25, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

RE:Main Page
Yea if you could put together a page similar to the featured article page but with the pictures up from voting and another with the quotes from the main pages then we can get on with that as well and ill put together a template for it. Salubri 04:19, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

ummm I guess onemanga. Salubri 04:33, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

The wiki's use of Filler
Hi. User:CorpusDei has been posting about what he sees as the wiki's refusal to properly acknowledge filler as such. I have moved his posts to the inprovements/issues forum, here: Forum:Filler and Bleach Wiki and a few others have chimed in as well. In short, he is unhappy with what he sees as the lack of clear labelling of anime-only characters being filler and wishes to add a blurb (using Template:Filler) to the start of every filler characters profile saying that they are filler. He says he does not wish to change anything else about the articles at this point. He has added it to a few characters to show what it looks like (Aida, Aldegor, Shūsuke Amagai and Ashisogi Jizō (spirit)) and also created the Filler page. He has promised not to add it to any more until we get back to him about it.

It is very late here and I'm signing off now, but if you are making decisions about it, my feelings are that if it is just this blurb, then I'm fine with that. It doesn't look that great on the zanpakuto spirit pages that already have the bit talking about the shinigami that owns them. I would have been fine with just having the introduction mention that the character is an anime-only character (and they appear in an anime-only story arc, if applicable) as it already is on many of them. Together with the infobox saying anime only, the synopsis sections using the small print saying the arc is anime only and the categories, I think that is enough. --Yyp 02:11, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

You might hate the blurb, but it's really necessary. Not everyone knows as much about Bleach as perhaps you or I do, and the fact is that having a tiny little thing in the character bio table that says "anime only" really doesn't convey the fact that these characters are not canon. If we want this site to be taken as a good, reliable source for information, we can't gloss over the fact that the anime sometimes has filler. There is no reason to hide the fact that some characters are filler characters, if anything we should be doing exactly what I'm proposing, letting people know up front that the characters are not part of the main Bleach universe canon. I don't understand why you are so vehemently opposed to this, it's just a point of clarification that needs to be addressed. The one shortcoming of this wiki is the fact that it treats anime filler, movie and videogame characters as equal to canon characters. The word filler didn't even appear anywhere on Amagai's page until I added the blurb, if you want this wiki to be accurate I don't see how you can fail to mention in no uncertain terms that Amagai is a filler character. It just doesn't make sense that you would want to obfuscate the truth like that on a wiki that is supposed to be presenting the facts. It's just tow sentences that fully explain that the character isn't a part of the core canon, I don't see how you could be so opposed to it. This wiki shouldn't be about how you personally feel about certain characters, the fact is that some characters are filler, and they need to be identified as such to keep this wiki factual. CorpusDei 03:23, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Filler isn't a derogatory term, you know? Would it make you feel better if we changed the blurb to say "Be warned ! The following text is about an anime-only character. This character doesn't exist in the manga canon storyline." Because I would be willing to change it to that if it's just the word filler that is ruffling your feathers. Either way, the fact that these characters don't exist in the core canon is what needs to be stated up front, the wording could be changed to what I just wrote above if you just hate the word filler. CorpusDei 03:29, November 4, 2009 (UTC)