Talk:Isshin Kurosaki

Head of the Shiba Clan?
Did i read wrong, or wasn't he head of a branch family of the Shiba House, not the main family??? Gojita (talk) 11:44, March 6, 2013 (UTC)Gojita

Your are 100% correct there is not error in translation Kubo is pulling a Naruto and having the main protagonist Ichigo take his mothers last name.


 * It apparently stating that he is of a branch of the Shiba family and is likely the head of that branch of the family. In Japanese nobility it basically works that the sons of a noble house are given lesser titles and houses to head as the main assets go to the first born male. This would insinuate that Isshin is a younger son if he is the head of branch family. This would also mean that his older brother is head of the main family.--


 * @Kubo is pulling a Naruto: Do also note that it's not unknown in real life Japan for a man to take his wife's family name, especially if her family is higher on the social ladder than his or he's been cast out of his family. Depending on the exact circumstances of Isshin's disappearance (which obviously will be touched upon in the next few chapters, and probably will involve Aizen, since he's been shown in the newest chapter), it may turn out that he has a good reason for taking Masaki's family name upon marrying her. MarqFJA (talk) 01:51, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

for me is simple because as as hinigami if he don't take teh kurosaki name he don't exixt in the japan administrative system so he took his wife name to hide the fact he is a shinigami in a gigai --Nitram86 (talk) 13:57, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Education
Isshin's education section is listed as "N/A". But consider this: Kenpachi Zaraki is the only Shinigami captain who didn't study at the Shinnō Academy and one cannot legally practice medicine without a license. Can someone please change the section to read "Shinnō Academy and Doctorate"? Steveo920, March 13, 2013, 17:44

Steve-o, in all likelihood, you are correct, but we like to wait until its officially confirmed.-- 21:48, March 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * To point out there are plenty of people with the same issue, there are those we really cant confirm as being students either.--

Family
Should we update the family section to include Kaien, Kukaku and Ganju Shiba as family? --Mseevers (talk) 14:00, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

No, we are not overloading his family section in the infobox with secondary family members.--

Shikai
The release command is "burn", but it's hard to tell from a black and white image if that energy is really fire. Will-O-Wisp (talk)


 * Thats true. We will need to see from later chapters if this what it does is able to be determined until then we will simply place the release command. Thanks for the look out.--

Could someone also please add that the same energy also flows from the tassel attached to the sword's hilt? Blackstar1 (talk) 15:49, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and put it in. The description as is was a little short anyway. Mohrpheus   (Talk)  16:22, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

It is fire after all. Definitely looks like it in Chapter 532. Also, this blood-sucking-fire-spitting ability. Is it the power of Isshin's shikai or a Kido of some sort? Will-O-Wisp (talk)
 * Why isn't that ability described in his Shikai? Darksusanoo (talk) 07:42, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Bankai
And finally, we have a bit of information about Isshin's bankai! According to Aizen, it is "quite a burden on his body." Apparently, he can't use it when he's wounded too badly. It's something. Will-O-Wisp (talk)

It is enough to add as a note to his Bankai. We have done similar with Kisuke and Shunsui's. Mohrpheus   (Talk)  12:21, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

History
Is it just me or are you stating the same event twice in his history concerning the incomplete Arrancar and Masaki first encounter with Isshin?-User: Taoisac
 * We don't know if White is the Arrancar Isshin is referring to - while in all likelihood it is, it has not been stated as such, so we won't remove it until it is.--Xilinoc (talk) 03:31, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

History
"At the Urahara Shop, Urahara explains Hollowfication to him and Ryuken. He then explains the solution, but as he does, Isshin immediately agrees to sacrificing his human powers to save Masaki. He then enters Masaki's inner world to confront the Hollow. [16]"

The section where it says "sacrificing his human powers" should be "sacrificing his shinigami powers"


 * This has been corrected now. Thanks for bringing the error to our attention. 11:14, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Fire Technique
Looking at the Fire Technique ability added to Engetsu I was wondering if the wording can be changed since its currently locked. While we don't know its name, here is a proposed sample of what the copy could say:

"Unnamed Fire Technique: Engetsu appears to have the ability to use Isshin's own blood to enhance its attack power. After sustaining a deep wound on his back, Isshin took his own blood in his hand, slurped it into his mouth and spit it on the blade, activating a thick wave of fire-like spiritual energy to erupt from it and take out his opponent. This attack was strong enough to destroy one of White's horns." (insert reference tags)

Take it or leave it, but I wanted to offer the suggestion either way. --Northstar1012 (talk) 19:13, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Here's the thing. While we want to add that to his page, 1. we don't know if it's even fire-based (the same goes for Isshin's Zanpakutō in general), and 2. there's the possibility it is actually some sort of Kidō. Until we get that information, I don't think we can add that in.--Xilinoc (talk) 22:04, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I was trying to avoid saying it was actual fire and hoped fire-like would have resolved that issue. Also, if there's a possibility that it could be some kind of Kidō, why would it be listed under the Zan's abilities? Since its there, I thought that pretty much means its a Zan ability and not a Kidō. Though I could be wrong. --Northstar1012 (talk) 20:39, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's just it. We're not sure if it's Kidō or a Zanpakutō ability, so we're not adding it until we know. Hope that helps.--Xilinoc (talk) 22:02, April 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Something was added to sure up the section and to acknowledge the issue. If at a later date its determined to be different it will be changed accordingly as this is the best option available to us at the time.--

page block
Hey, I just noticed that in the anime, the inside of isshins captain haori is white, while since he was the captain of the 10th diversion, it should be dark green. Can some admin adit that into his trivia?
 * Isshin hasn't been shown as a Captain in the Anime at all and hasn't been proven that the cloth over his arm is his original haori!!
 * Also at that time it was never clear what division he was in and it was specifically done that way.--

in chapter 529 of the manga, isshin was confirmed to be the 10th division captain with rangiku as his lit. and toshiro as his 3rd sit. in chapter 535, isshin gives up his shinigami powers to save masaki, while he was still the 10th division captain, so unless isshin stole a new haori from another captain, which is unlikely, its his original haori. as for salubri: thats exactly why i think it should be written as a trivia. i think its notable enough to make it into the trivia. as the trivia exists to mention facts which arent always part of the main plot, i think this fact should be in it. God of nothing (talk) 16:58, May 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Kubo doesnt do the anime. Having said that there would have to be an assumption that the studio of the anime previously knew what we currently know. Its more likely they didnt hence the reason for the why the haori looks or is obscured to recognition. We didnt know that he was officially a captain or of what division until these recent chapters. We were meant to acknowledge from the haori that he was a captain at some point, but we werent supposed to know until now what division. Secondly these current chapters are a flashback of 20 years ago. We are finding out something currently that we didnt know from something thats already taken place in the story. We know now but his initial appearance up until chapter 529 we werent aware of it. Its not trivia its just circumstances of what happened. It wouldnt be trivia it would be pointing out foreshadowing. If we put every instance of something like this there would be a wall of information in the trivia section. --

ok im convinced God of nothing (talk) 15:25, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Spelling Errors
Spelling errors -

If you're going to lock this (and other) pages on this wikia, could you please ensure that once you have completed a change you check for spelling errors. On this page alone there is numerous typographical and grammatical errors making it really frustrating to try and read. Thanks
 * If you could point these out, that'd be great.--Xilinoc (talk) 02:19, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah moaning about people being proof reading their own work, which is difficult, isn't helpful unless you plan on being productive!!
 * Hi. Here are some errors in the order they appear on the page. Will slowly update with more as I have time to properly scan the entire page.
 * - Spelling errors
 * - "and had slight shorter hair." - Should be "slightly"
 * - "two more individuals have died" - "had died"
 * - "slides passed Yuzu" - "slides past Yuzu"
 * - "Recallnig" - "Recalling"
 * - "He reveal" - "He reveals"


 * - Semantic errors
 * - "Forced on the defensive as White continues to attack" - There has been no mention of who "White" is, only that Isshin was fighting a "creature"
 * - "Urahara explains Hollowfication to him and Ryuken." - New paragraph and no mention of who is present at the shop, "him" is not applicable for use here. Should be replaced with "Isshin and Ryuken"
 * - "Telling him to stop, Yuzu says he" - "Yuzu tells her father to stop and says that he"
 * - "Telling him to stop because he can hear him" - "Ichigo tells him to stop because he can hear him"
 * - "Ichigo, refusing, says it is tiring and he should go himself" - "Ichigo refuses, he says it is too tiring and that he should go himself"
 * - "Grabbing Ichigo, Isshin, asking if his little sisters are not precious to him, decides they will split up search for them" - "Isshin grabs Ichigo and asks whether his little sisters are precious to him or not. It is decided by Isshin that himself and Ichigo will split up and search for them."
 * - "Telling Ichigo to search in one direction, he says he will stay there, prompting Ichigo to kick him" - "Ichigo is told to go and search in one direction whilst Isshin decides to stay where he is and wait, this prompts Ichigo to kick him in the jaw."
 * The errors have been fixed. Thanks for pointing them out.--Xilinoc (talk) 04:41, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Getsuga Tensho
Engetsu is apparently a unique zanpakuto, since some of its powers (namely, Getsuga Tensho) can be used when it's not released even to shikai. Should this be noted? Will-O-Wisp (talk)

Not exactly. As we've seen in the flashback, his Zanpakutō doesn't change very much. All that happens is it gets covered in fiery reiatsu, and when preforming a Getsuga Tenshō... you can't really tell even that.--Yomiko-chan (talk) 22:54, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty much what Yomiko said; it's hard enough as-is to tell when his Zanpakuto is released or not. And seeing as captain-level characters can do it without a release command, we can't exactly assume anything. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  23:27, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Missing stuff
Ok, in order to make a point...as i'm reading Isshin's page i noticed some things missing/wrong in his abilities section...first off he is stated as having enhanced durability and the only mentions to it is him being smacked around by his teenage son (granted a semi-expert fighter) and kid daughter, mostly for comic relief. Now in these latest chapters we've seen Isshin fighting against a high-level Hollow hybrid having already suffered a serious wound from Aizen prior, and managing to hold his own, but that isn't mentioned. Plus what he has displayed is endurance, not durability. One relates to the ability to withstand damage and still fight, the other to emerge unharmed for attacks that should cause damage.

Second...Isshin is a trained doctor by both the Soul Society and he also had addtional training by Urahara and he even managed to open and run a medical clinic for several years, soo he is versed in medical procedures and the basis for it came from his time as a Shinigami, soo he should be listed as a healer, same as other Shinigami, such as Unohana and Hanataro.

Well thank you for reading, and opinions to these matters are welcomed. Darksusanoo (talk) 21:04, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Isshin hasn't actually become weaker.
Isshin hasn't become weaker than before losing his powers as this article suggests. We find that out when Isshin recounts the tale to Ichigo in the "Everything but the rain" series. There was a threat that Isshin could become weaker or lose his Shinigami powers altogether, permanently. But no such thing happened and he seems to have returned just as strong as he was. He was able to push Aizen, who had zero problems against any other captain thus far, mind you. Also, the dialogue in chapter 188 which is given as this argument's source actually says:

Urahara: "Well, if you became weaker and blamed me for it, it would be problematic..." Isshin: "Oh really? Don't worry. If I became weak, I wouldn't blame you. I would just accept it".

As you can see, it's all said in conditional mode. Nowhere does Isshin say that he's actually become weaker. The line that the article contains hasn't been put to perspective after the "Everything but the rain" chapters. Xfing (talk) 20:20, March 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * At no point are you making it clear what exactly in the article your referring to, thus how can it be addressed?--

Engetsu
I'm not quite sure why we decided Engetsu wasn't a fire type? Kubo shaded the sword the way he does fire and whatnot, plus the release command is Burn, after all. Can someone explain, because I'm just assuming that there is something that I am missing... SilverRain (talk) 04:41, January 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Because there's nothing indicating that it isn't just flame-shaped Reishi. Zangetsu is based on Engetsu due to Isshin being Ichigo's father, that much is certain due to their shared usage of Getsuga Tenshō, and Zangetsu is a melee-type with an energy attack or two. Neither usage of Isshin's GT has made the attack look flame-like - it's retained its energy beam appearance, and a fire-type Zanpakutō wouldn't be able to fire off beams of power like that. Hope that helps/--Xilinoc (talk) 12:05, January 26, 2015 (UTC)