Forum:Aizen's Hōgyoku

I have been wondering if it was Aizen's Hōgyoku is the Visoreds started to turn in to Hollows. Charon12 (talk)

Who knows, the method wasn't fully shown or elaborated on so we don't know for sure...Johnwayne (talk) 17:09, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

True, but it is the most logical answer even if it has not been shown to be the reason. Charon12 (talk) 17:13, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

No, Aizen's Hogyoku played no part in that. Aizen had invented a Hollowfication virus that turned souls into Hollows. Urahara's Hogyoku stabilized them.--

Wait, Aizen propbably created the virus with the Hōgyoku.Charon12 (talk) 21:33, August 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, Aizen has invented many things. He doesn't need the Hogyoku to do that.--

The Answer
Well here is the answer:"As Aizen had been engaging in early experiments on Shinigami/Hollow hybrids, which involved using an unknown device to cause spirits to transform into Hollows, he was responsible for turning his former captain and seven other Shinigami into Visored, though Aizen refused to go into any of those details". Well, I just answered my own question.Charon12 (talk) 21:39, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I was just rereading Chapter 315.11 and I was wondering why Aizen was able to block Tesei kido with a chantless "Dankuu", I wonder if Aizen already had his Hōgyoku implanted. I know that this is just a thought, but you never know.Charon12 (talk) 03:25, August 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, that would never work. He didn't even have his Hōgyoku completed until he fed Urahara's to it; which was after he created the Arrancar, and after he showed it to Orihime Inoue. Then he implanted it in himself. This is how the manga tells the order of events. Ten Tailed Fox   (Talk with me) 03:30, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

But he did have his Hōgyoku at the time. But how do you explain him blocking the Kido as a Vice-Captain. Also, with his Hōgyoku and Urahara's Hōgyoku, Aizen somehow started the process and Urahara finished it. Charon12 (talk) 04:02, August 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * How do I explain it? Aizen, and many other captains, mind you, have stated that he has been far above the level of a normal captain for a very long time. Aizen does not need to Hōgyoku to use Danku without incantation. He's just that good. Ten Tailed Fox   (Talk with me) 04:09, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Lets say was a virus. Maybe Aizen's Hōgyoku created the virus. Maybe it will be explained in later chapter. So for now we can disscus it. Charon12 (talk) 04:05, August 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * You are acting like the Hogyoku is a magic wish granting lamp. No, it is not. Aizen is a very intelligent, very powerful person. He did not need the Hogyoku to create a virus, he did not need the Hogyoku to use a kido spell. He can do all of that with his own ability. Your theories are nothing but baseless speculation which are getting out of hand. Please read the Bleach Wiki:Speculation Policy--

First, no I do not believe that it is a magical lamp. I am just saying what is on my mind. We dont know all the Hogyoku's abilities and secondly this is a speculation. Charon12 (talk) 06:59, August 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is speculation and thus falls under the domain of the speculation policy. Please read that.--

LEAVE ME ALONE!!!
Given the overall lack of knowledge about certain aspects of the Bleach universe, speculation is inevitable, but should only be recorded on the wiki's Watercooler. Speculation may come from a few sources. My seculations will stay of the Watercooler forum. LEAVE ME ALONE!!!! Charon12 (talk) 07:11, August 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Your speculation is crack theories that contradict canon material, as such, they are not welcome on the site. This is now a warning. Adhere to the policies or you will be blocked.--

Leave you alone?? Do you need to put that in capital letters like a child who has just been scolded?? You cannot start a discussion around baseless speculation and not expect people to counter it with stuff that was already stated! Godisme is right, accept that nobody agrees with you and move on!! SunXia  (Chat)  11:56, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

This sort of thing does not belong on THIS forum at all. This Forum is where people beat around thoughts about the Hogyoku, not where people rant at the higher ups. If you really take issue with this, take it up on a talk page. Honestly, I personally believe that there should be an extent of speculation on Forums. God, Sun, it is good and all that you guys adhere to the policies strongly but I think you should really leave some wiggle room when we're talking about forums and blog posts. If what's being discussed is blatantly contradicted by canon material, end it, close it, and move on. But please, we need a little bit of wiggle room on Forums. That being said, I don't know why this is discussion is even taking place here. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk)  15:04, August 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand your concerns Aeron, but God has made it an official warning and you know we can't remove those!! Also, he's knew, we gave him a little lee-way but he has continued to pursue the topic and it has come as thus, unfortunately!! Hopefully, Charon12 will learn from this and stop writing continual theories o everyone's talk pages and then on multiple forums!! Of course I can always archive this if you feel uncomfortable with it but the warning has to stand!! SunXia   (Chat)  16:26, August 18, 2011 (UTC)