User talk:Blackjohn

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Status
Tesra and Grimmjow's statuses are unconfirmed. Please do not change this--God (Pray)  18:27, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've already explained why Grimmjow is heavily foreshadowed to be dead here, and why Tesla is also 100% dead here. Saying otherwise is just misinforming and optimistically subjective. You get Dordoni's, Cirucci's and Gin's statuses to "deceased" without having a death scene that confirms it either. This is absurdly contradicting the fact you consider Grimmjow to be "unconfirmed" when he's obviously in the same list as they are. Blackjohn (talk) 18:40, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Gin, Cirucci and Dordonii were confirmed as dead. Grimmjow and Tesra were last seen alive and talking though heavily injured. If you do not like how we do things here, you do not have to edit here.--God (Pray)  18:47, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Tesla was not talking for sure. You can see that his eye is pale and he's not even twitching, proof. Pale is an undeniable indication that there's no life. The flashback he had ensued right after Nnoitra's fall, so he only sheds a tear before succumbing to his wounds. He was bisected and mutilated, just like Nnoitra. His case is no different.
 * I've already justified my statements about Grimmjow. Also, I may sound annoying, but could you provide me the panels were Cirucci, Dordoni and Gin are given a concrete death confirmation? Because all I can recall is that they were only foreshadowed to be dead, not confirmed dead though. Last time they were shown, Gin was conscious, Cirucci could talk, and Dordoni could still fight.
 * I've already justified my statements about Grimmjow. Also, I may sound annoying, but could you provide me the panels were Cirucci, Dordoni and Gin are given a concrete death confirmation? Because all I can recall is that they were only foreshadowed to be dead, not confirmed dead though. Last time they were shown, Gin was conscious, Cirucci could talk, and Dordoni could still fight.
 * I've already justified my statements about Grimmjow. Also, I may sound annoying, but could you provide me the panels were Cirucci, Dordoni and Gin are given a concrete death confirmation? Because all I can recall is that they were only foreshadowed to be dead, not confirmed dead though. Last time they were shown, Gin was conscious, Cirucci could talk, and Dordoni could still fight.


 * Im not getting into this with you. It is users like you who got statuses taken off of character articles. Gin said he could leave things to Ichigo, closed his eyes and then Rangiku said later that he left her nothing. Cirucci and Dordonii were said to be killed by the Execuias. Now leave it, statuses will not be changing.--God (Pray)  19:04, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Just so its clear conversation taken on a forum doesn't constitute any form of confirmation for or against changing anything on the site unless the issue is raised by an administrator. If that is not the case then its just general discussion, In that case there is no justification to change information on the site. Secondly foreshadowing means an author suggests certain plot developments that he/she will use later in the story. None of the cases of death your ascribing the word to fits the term.--Salubri (Talk)  19:17, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Grimmjow was rent in an instant, Nnoitra mocks the dying Grimmjow by cutting Ichigo." - Foreshadowed to be dying. (Source: Databook Masked)


 * "The ones who died were his comrades (Ulquiorra, Nnoitra & Grimmjow)" - Foreshadowed to be dead and also confirms the previous foreshadowing (Source: Manga)


 * There, I gave you concrete canon death indications without even regarding Kubo's JF interview, in which he implied that Grimmjow is dead, and that he was not even supposed to be important. Grimmjow was supposed to die sooner, but he DID die nevertheless. I don't care whether or not the status change, discussion is fine with me. Know this however; Don't expect Kubo to go out and say it outright "Grimmjow is dead". All we're going to get about Grimmjow in these 10 years are more death implications, till the series comes to an end and everyone realizes they were just in denial. I can safely say this though; Kubo is already trying to pass Grimmjow's death to the fans, one way or another. Whether or not the fans grasp the correct context of his statements is their problem. Do they believe that Kubo is not confirming Grimmjow's death? Let them delude themselves, I don't care. It's all about fan interpretation, and whenever Grimmjow is involved, they almost always deduce hopeful tidbits, even if it's his actual death.. Seriously, it's just the same with Ulquiorra. Blackjohn (talk) 19:59, February 1, 2011 (UTC)