Talk:Asguiaro Ebern

Azgiallo Ebern?
http://mangastream.com/read/jpreview/94032641/8

In Mangastream's new project J-Preview they translated this dudes name to Azgiallo Ebern. Should we change the article's name to that? Because I would trust Mangastream's translation more than the Mangareader one but whatever it's up to the admins to decide. --Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 18:15, February 15, 2012 (UTC)--Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 18:15, February 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * If someone can get a raw, we can have Adam look at it.--


 * It's probably written in kana so that the pronounciation is something like "ibān azugiaro" (can't say for sure without seeing a raw version). On names like this there is no one correct translation until Kubo comes up with a canonical romanization. It might even be sensible to combine the translations and use "Ivan Azgiallo" considering Ivan is a real existing name and Azgiallo goes with Kubo's tradition of having twin letters in Arrancar names.--B14 (talk) 18:29, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Until the translation corner confirms it, it will be staying as it is now. However, the other version can be redirected back to this page so that people searching for him under the other name will still end up on this page. It is highly likely that sometime down the road Kubo or some other official source (at least more official than fan-scan groups) will give us an official spelling (hopefully he'll give him the cover of the next chapter with the name's spelling). 16:18, February 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: VIZ Media is also officially using "Ebern" in Weekly Shonen Jump Alpha (they also have a live sketch video featuring Kubo, this week). And イーバーン is definitely not how you write Ivan in katakana -- maybe "Yvonne" or "Yvan". Ivan, the way it's usually pronounced by English speakers, is アイヴァン (aiban). FF-Suzaku (talk) 20:06, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Adam took a look and said based on the Kanji you could come up with either Ivan or Ebern and let's not forget Viz is infamous for having wildly different translations of things as compared to databook translations. Its best to keep it as Ivan until we get a databook showing the correct way to spell it.--

Change Race
I do agree that he looks like an Arrancar but we can't really be sure until he reveals who he really is. That is why I vote to change the race to unknown until we find out more about him.

Ztr9 (talk) 16:01, February 16, 2012 (UTC) Ztr9


 * Occam's Razor. He quite clearly looks an Arrancar, a well established race in the series, so saying he is anything else is less likely to be true. If it does turn out that he is not one, then it will be changed when that is revealed to be true. We are not going to cater to the crackpot theories floating around out there (last bit not directed at you Ztr9, just people that might be reading this thinking about those theories). 16:18, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Yo guys this is my first time on a talk page! Anyway, how come we automatically reached this conclusion that he's an Arrancar? Surely enough he's some sort of race derived from hollows but there's no way of labelling him as one. I was also under the impression that Kubo-San had proclaimed the existance of arrancars in the plot to be over. Why would be the point of doing exactly the same thing with aizen over again? I'm thinking he's some kind of hybrid, maybe between Quincy and hollow. After all other arcs have been about Rukia (shinigami), Orihime, (Human) and chad (Fullbringer). Maybe this is about uryu and quincys? Otokage (talk) 18:13, February 18, 2012 (UTC)Otokage
 * He is quite clearly an Arrancar, take a look at his mask fragments. Kubo stated that the Arrancar may have some sort of role in this arc. He is an arrancar until proven not.--

Allegiance
I think this is an Arrancar, but should his CURRENT allegiance be changed to be with Ichigo? The previous manga said that there is a "them" or as I see it a new race. It says that it can destroy hollows from existence. After all, Arrancars have certain Hollow characteristics. It would be understandable if they get help from a superior force, Ichigo, who had defeated even their leader, to help them against this battle. Unless he will be traitor later in the arc, that is. I added a CURRENT at the top ‎
 * Firstly, please sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ )!! Secondly, what do you mean?? If you are referring to Spoilers, please be aware we have a very strict Spoiler Policy here so do not attempt to add information for chapters not released yet as everything must be referenced!! SunXia   (Chat)  11:20, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Complete change
I had changed it earlier to match the new information from the manga, only for SunXia/wikia.js to change it... Rude? But yeah, Ivan is a confirmed Quincy, he doesn't carry a zanpaktou on top of things, so that should be ERASED and replaced with know Quincy information, such as bow & arrows and his expert use of Hirenkyaku, ect. I also think his race should just be 'Quincy-Arrancar', not hybrid. He is likely a Quincy though from 200 years ago during the mass wipe-out that become a hollow, along with many other Quincy, and just now became arrancar. Just me assuming so don't add(god knows you won't) Skarrj (talk) 12:56, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Number one, do not insult me, it's grounds for banning!! I erased you unreferenced information and advised you to read our policies and I do so again!! We don't enter speculation into articles!! SunXia   (Chat)  12:59, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * It was undone because you did not reference a single thing you changed, as required by the manual of style. Sun mentioned this her edit summary. 13:02, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

For starters, sorry for no references, but anyone could have added them, the spoilers on mangastream tell them, and I normally would have but I wanted to finish up on the iPad before switching to my laptop to do 'em, didn't think anyone else was even online(though most of you are here every time, just didn't think). I apologies, but if you would ban me over calling you you rude, and claiming that's an insult, get over it. I said it was rude, didn't mean to offend you in any way shape or form. But I apologize oh great wise one, please oh please don't ban me for using the 'R'-Word, will never happen again my lord. Skarrj (talk) 13:16, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * You can stop now, if somebody doesn't add references it will be removed, policies!! SunXia   (Chat)  13:20, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Chapter 480
Well, is he the mysterious guy who followed Yuki and Shino? -- The Goblin   Talk   13:40, February 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * His face seems a different shape. Guy on page 10 (ch.480) appears to be wearing a glove (or else just has strange folds in his skin at wrist), on page 22 he has no tattoo over the right eye. 13:57, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Weapon Image
Under SunXia's direction, I've started this section to discuss the replacement of the current image of Ivan's weapon in his "Powers & Abilities" section. The current image shows only a partial generation of the weapon, which is also somewhat obscured, whereas the proposed replacement not only depicts the majority of the weapon but also demonstrates it being fired.

I'd also like to note that I could find no policy which required me to start this discussion and I find it rather unnecessary to go through a relatively lengthy process for what should be only a very simple change, especially in a case such as this. Blackstar1 (talk) 22:21, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * The rule of discussion is in place to prevent people from randomly changing pictures. The community needs to agree on the change. We don't do things arbitrarily because while you may think something is better, others may disagree. Your opinion is not fact. That said, I would agree to the change as the picture is clearer.--


 * Thanks for clearing that up Godisme — not that I considered/implied that my opinion was fact — although I still couldn't find said policy on either the Image Policy or Manual of Style articles, which I did check before adding the image initially. Blackstar1 (talk) 02:01, March 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * The community uses votes to clear up things like disagreements regarding Profile images and Number 8 of the Guidelines is regularly used here as the Powers & Abilities section is regularly trolled and spammed like the Profile Image section with many users who like to think their images are always better!! These images are treated like Profile Images but for Powers, given that it's more lengthy and more work for the team to rollback constant edit warring with people who clearly do not know what makes up a good image!! This image is good and I also support the change however, you say you read the guidelines yet you skipped the rule about Cataloging Images so they can be placed in Image Galleries!! Please do so in future and correct this, it is very important that the Image Galleries have a record of all images officially used here!! Thank you!!

In this case I dont think there is any problem with a straight swap having been made. The image that was there was used simply because there was nothing else to use. We have a better one now that actually shows (pretty much) the whole thing and what it fires. So I have swapped it with the placeholder. Now if that image is to be replace it would be grounds for a discussion, but I feel it was unnecessary to undo Blackstar1's edit in this case. 21:40, March 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * @Yyp: Thanks, your reasoning was the same as mine and the main reason behind my contention.
 * @SunXia: Thanks for the explanation and although Yyp has already done so in this instance, I'll ensure to submit my images for cataloging in the future. However, I still think the appropriate policies should be altered so that "Powers & Abilities" Images are detailed as well, to make sure others are aware of the process they should follow. Blackstar1 (talk) 23:06, March 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, I understand the rules should probably state it more but this is the common practice around here as you can see a list of currently awful pictures being voted on in regards to Xcution having Ichigo's powers enhancing their own!! Discussion is usually the common practice to save edit warring and such counter productive things so I thank you for not partaking in that sort of action or anything!! Closing discussion since issue is now solved!!

Hirenkyaku
Did he use this technique in this panel? -- The Goblin   Talk  23:41, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm interesting, if anything it resembles Shunpo due to the vertical nature of the appearance of the usual lines, since our image for Hirenkyaku shows horizontal lines like Sonido!! However, since he is confirmed as a Quincy I'd say yeah but don't add in until others agree!!


 * Hirenkyaku also has horizontal lines in the manga. -- The Goblin   Talk    01:11, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Should we list it as "Enhanced Speed" for now? -- The Goblin   Talk   21:35, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Protection
I say this age should be protected as the other members of Vandenrich declared him and Luders to be Arrancars after their deaths and they have Quincy abilities so, yeah this is going to be a hive for edit warring until we decide how to approach this!!

Agreed. Ivan's been a mystery since he was first introduced, and at this point, many possible edit wars based on past information could start with some of the more inexperienced editors before we proceed with further maintenance on his article. There's no doubt that certain issues, both old and new, will come up again, and it's best we have the article protected until we can work them out. Arrancar109 (Talk)  12:32, March 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * The page was locked before being updated. It still states that he is a Quincy.--

Race?
I'm new to the wikia, so I don't know much about this. I noticed on the page that, in the opening statement about him, he is listed as a Quincy. However, the info box lists him as an Arrancar. Could someone please sort this out? --Kamikaze839 (talk) 18:11, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Medallion
Shouldn't we add the part about Ivan's medaillion (which he used to try and seal Ichigo's Bankai)? I can't, as it's locked. Deathstrawberry (talk) 13:12, March 29, 2012 (UTC)Deathstrawberry


 * It's been added. Thanks for pointing it out 13:42, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Status : Dead or Alive ? - Ivan and Luders
I saw on one of the articles, in this wiki , that he ( Ivan , along with Luders ) are stated as being dead , but on their wiki articles , they are stated as alive ( those articles use the present tense , which would point out that they are alive , but they are dead , they were killed by the Vanderreich leader )I would change the tense in which they are presented , from present tense , to past tense , but the articles are locked. Please correct the tense of these two articles. I also included the link that states that Ivan and Luders are dead ( http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Vandenreich ) --Amagai88 (talk) 08:15, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

It is a long-standing rule that Plot sections are written in present tense. This holds true for characters that die in the story, not just Ivan and Luders. Only History is written in past tense. Arrancar109 (Talk)  08:55, April 19, 2012 (UTC)