Forum:Junk quotes

After looking through some articles recently, I've noticed that some quote sections are unnecessarily excessively long. Inspired by the junk trivia movement we had, I was wondering if there should be a clean-up of more junk quotes.

By this I mean quotes that repeat information already in the article, such as stating the bankai or the character's name and rank. It'd also include removing quotes that are more about other people, such as a quote from Ichigo about the fact that Rukia is small. If it's so noteworthy, then it can be said in Rukia's article that she's a small person, but it doesn't need to be in his quotes. I'm also on the fence about excessively lengthy quotes and quotes that require sentences from other characters to make sense.

Since the point of the quote section is to reveal the character's personality, I'd like there to be a more concentrated effort to remove ones that don't, as well as more of an effort to be critical when adding quotes. Just because someone said something cool or interesting doesn't necessarily mean it reveals a lot about them - especially when it's clear that it's highlighting someone else's character or talking about a place or thing, rather than the character the article's about. Plus, we have the Bleach Wiki:Featured Quote, so people can put and vote for their favorite quotes to have them featured, even if they aren't revealing enough of the individual's personality to add to his/her article.

But I thought I'd get some input on this first. Twocents 04:37, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Well I certainly think that quotes could be better. Recently I did the quotes for Ichimaru Gin and when doing it, I opted for quotes that I felt were meaningful to his character/showed something about him. So I choose him offering to "save" Rukia and her friends but then telling her "just kidding", his famous goodbye to Rangiku and what he said about Kira during the fake karakura town. As a fan of Gin those were important quotes to me. However, the problem with the quotes section is the same with those of the trivia section. People put things down without thinking things through. Now cleaning-up the quotes section is easy but replacing the removies quotes... not so much. You would need a degree of familiarity with the characters in question. At least that's what I think. Tinni 02:00, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Do you think it'd necessarily be imperative to replace each quote removed? I'm not saying I want the quote sections to shrink/disappear, but some of them are quite long as it is, particularly for characters who are in most chapters/episodes, and it'd be foreseeable that more quotes would be added anyway. For the other characters, perhaps we could make a list of each character where quotes were removed for being irrelevant, and someone who's a big fan of that character could go see if there are any worthwhile additions that could be made to make up for that loss. Twocents 02:26, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

My comment about replacing quotes is only for articles that 1) don't have them, or 2) only have a junk quotes. Certainly some quote sections are too long and should be shortened. I mean, someone like Ichigo talks a lot but most of what he says is just reinforcing his characters. Once we have established he can be angsty, we don't need a bazillion other quotes showing him being angsty. If that makes sense... Tinni 02:30, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Completely. *nods* I don't want to eliminate quote sections, especially for characters that have no (or, for the fans who care, very little) chance at reappearing in the series, such as Starrk, Harribel, Ulquiorra, etc. I just think things like quotes that highlight the same thing constantly (like you said), that repeat information in the article, or that aren't about the character's personality shouldn't included.

I've also thought for some time that perhaps the quotes should all be cited. I've noticed that people sometimes put up oddly similar quotes, and it turns out that they just took the same quote from a different scanlation, or people will modify quotes, and it's hard to say which version is correct. I know that'd especially be a lot of work but it might be a good thing to work on to eliminate some of those issues. Twocents 05:39, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't think I'd see this today, but Twocents u read my mind. I have also noticed some quote sections getting long and a little, well, crappy. Since when does the word Quote mean "A short paragraph". Like with the Trivia, Ichigo's page is in the worst shape. Its kinda funny. We just got done with the Trivia and now we get to deal with Junk Quotes. I'll see if I can't find some that should be removed and post them here later. The 4th Hokage 13:18, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Here. This quote is a good example of a Junk Quote. In fact it is so good, I went ahead and removed it from his page as it is stated in both characters synopsis'.


 * (To Ulquiorra) "...I'm surprised. I didn't think you'd unsheathe your sword right away. I thought I'd have to get you to unsheathe it. So, does that mean you see me as a worthy opponent now?"

These are the kinds of quotes I consider Junk. The 4th Hokage 00:00, November 19, 2009 (UTC)