Forum:Junk trivia

Is it just me or has the trivia section of the majority of the characters become something of a joke. For example, "Yammy is the only Espada to have been seen visibly changing his rank"... I am sorry what does that suppose to mean exactly? He is the only Espada that changes ranks. Why would anyone else visibly or invisibly change ranks? Or is this just a backhanded way of entering the fan speculation that Ulquiorra in second stage is actually higher then rank 4? Then there are the paragraph long trivia entries! Am I the only one who thinks that trivia shouldn't be more then one, maybe two sentence at best? I strongly feel that the majority of the trivia sections have grown too large, too full of junk to the point that actual trivia of interest is lost in the clutter. Question is, am I the only one who feels this way. Tinni 10:49, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I have to agree you Tinni. Trivia should only be a couple of lines long, otherwise it's too long winded. If it is any longer than that (and if it can't be condensed into 2 lines), then maybe it is long enough to justify its own section or inclusion in an existing section. But I sometimes find that some trivia is bloated with irrelevant info as well - some of them go on about other characters in a way that doesn't add anything worthwhile to the original point.

I would like to ask people's opinion on just what would be classified as worthwhile trivia (aside from length issue and avoiding speculation)? --Yyp 11:41, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

I cleaned up a few of them today but it'd hard because a lot of it I feel is both useless but somehow worth including somewhere in the article and there's not really a better spot for it. Trivia is really hard to classify because by definition it is something that is too trivial, to unimportant to be in the main body of the article. Which leaves it open for fanspec and that sort of thing. BollyW 11:47, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Well I consider the "theme songs as picked by Kubo" as good trivia. As is, and I notice we don't actually have them, comments Kubo made about a character in interviews. E.g. Kubo has said Matsumoto and Yoruichi is his favourite female characters and he would like to have Matsumoto as a friend because she's someone who is there for her friends. Kubo also revealed that Aizen and Mayuri are is all time favourite characters. These are interesting, to me at least, and add something that you can't get from reading the article. Tinni 12:04, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Those sound like good things to include in trivia, though if we're including comments made by Kubo in interviews, then I think that the text of, or a link to, the interview in question should be included (either in the references or on the talk page). Random little bits of info from datasheets/databooks etc - like Grimmjow formerly being no.12 - would be relevant too imo. --Yyp 12:25, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Upside of this would be that we would finally have references for the trivia which would stop people from making-up random stuff. Other good trivia include the one about Wonderweiss having unexplained marking on his body - I added the references to that trivia myself and it was one of those "hey that's interesting!" sort of trivia, especially since thanks to the references you can go back and have a look at the markings yourself and decide if they mean anything or not. I am also glad we kept that "Fura used to be known as superchunky" trivia because fans do still use "superchunky" and so that's helpful to new fans who might not understand what old fans are on about when they go on about superchunky. Tinni 12:29, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad i wasn't the only one to think this. I like the idea of trivia being things that happen outside of the manga, like OVA's or the databooks. Or something a casual fan wouldn't know or notice. And definitely no speculative trivia.14:32, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

I think the trivia sections themselves are a problem. Yes, I can see some of them need cleaning up, but I'm really going to leave that in other people's hands. Don't get me wrong, it's not like I don't want to help, but I've cleaned out SO much garbage trivia that I'm probably not a good candidate to assist with the clean-up. The kind of trivia I've cleaned up are trivia points like "Harribel is the last of the top 3 Espada to die", "Yammy is the only Espada to be confirmed alive", and "Soifon is the first female to use bankai". Seriously, can anyone tell me how ANY of these 3 trivia points are the slightest bit relevant? Because honestly, to me, these are like saying "the sky is blue" and putting it down in the trivia section. Seriously, "trivia" like this has been added for so long that they are the only ones that I know that need to be removed, due to the sheer uselessness of said points. Arrancar109 19:03, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Some of the ones I dislike are the ones that draw unnecessary parallels between other Bleach characters and characters in Tite's other manga. Unless Tite said he based so-and-so off of someone else, I think it's just fans making drawing those similarities. Name any two characters and you can find something they have in common. I also dislike the long list ones, like where they say, "Oh, she's one of the only people to have a weapon. -list nine other Arrancar here-" I think the obvious ones, where anyone can look at the pictures in the articles alone and figure that out for themselves (like that) shouldn't be included. Especially in Ichigo's section (since you brought him up), because it's ridiculous how many things are included in the trivia that are also in the actual article. It's just a space filler. Personally, I don't see any problem with cutting the trivia down to the most important points. I don't see why they have to be super huge sections that could be a page by themselves. Twocents 22:46, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I didn't see much of a problem with comparisons to Zombie Powder; it's only if someone actually states the words "Gamma directly inspired Grimmjow" or "Aizen's design was deliberately taken from C.T. Smith" that I would see a problem with that. Still, overall I think trivia regarding comparisons to Zombie Powder would vary from person to person, so whatever is done regarding it is probably depended on mass-demand on whether it stays or goes (essentially, I'm neutral on this). Arrancar109 23:47, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

I am happy to start the clean-up process but I would be fairly harsh with the trivia section, removing the majority of the trivia probably dumping them in the talk page with appropriate messages. I would, in short, go nuts. If that's cool with people then I'll start editing the pages but fair warning, under my clean-up the majority of the existing trivia is likely to disappear. Tinni 01:02, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

I reckon go for it, the vast majority should either be deleted or they are already in the article so why bother? BollyW 06:11, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Well I started with Ichigo's section and the number of trivia has been dramatically reduced. Although that article is such a mess this small improvement is likely to be over-looked but the trivia section no longer hurts my eyes. Tinni 09:58, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Good work, I've started grinding through the Espada and then the arrancar, but tell me if I'm not being aggressive enough at culling them. BollyW 10:15, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

My problem with the Zombie Powder trivia is that this isn't a Zombie Powder wiki. Although both Bleach and Zombie Powder are by the same person, I think it should fall under the "Don't compare Bleach to other mangas, because this wikia is about Bleach" rule listed on the guidelines page.

Tinni, I think you've done a good job thus far. I almost missed the trivia section since it's so small now that I scrolled right past it. But I do think it's much improved. No need for lengthy irrelevancies. Twocents 18:16, October 18, 2009 (UTC)