Forum:At Last.......

The sudden appearance and the donning of their mask......... interesting Isn't??

How Powerful Are Each Vizard??
I just don't know how much power each have but the only thing i can say now is................. AWESOME...............!!!!!

ii think the vizard will assist soifon because she is fighting the 2nd espada and she is weaker than toshiro who is fighting the third and he was on the verge of winning but all soifon did was caused smoke even with the use of her bankai it wasnt enough--Hitsugaya3194 16:39, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I think we need to stop using weak, the very nature of being a captain means your not weak. This is not dragon ball z there is no real power levels. Some have techniques and abilities or skills that others dont have just like any individual. The better wording would be Soifon is in far worse shape then anyone. Also we don't know exactly what her bankai was supposed to do, we assume it was supposed to be a simple explosion. Also at this point with the arrival of the vizard there is a large possibility the captains are no longer fighting the espada. The vizard can easily said to have far more power then we have probably seen yet.Salubri 16:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, they are older, have more experience, and had 100+ years to master their hollow powers. Except for uber Aizen (who appears to be perhaps, as old as Urahara but has twice the power of a captain), it usually means an increased power level and skill. I'd say they are more capable of handling Wonderweiss and incoming Arrancas. Deimonos 12:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I think we can use the term "weak", since we're only comparing between captains.

Anyway, the vizards will probably be able to beat the Espade fairly easily. Five of them (I believe that's the right number) were captains, they have a century of experience over many of the current captains, and have the mask powers (similar to what Ichigo has; we recall how much power that gave him). Compared to the espada, who can't use kido and rarely have powers similar to kido, I'm worried the vizards will pose too much of a challenge to the villains. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 00:51, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

It's 4 actually; Shinji, Kensei, Rose & Love.

I'm still not convinced that the Vizards won't pull a fast one on the Gotei 13. Let's be honest, Aizen is slightly intimidated by Shinji (his article says so). Why would that be? For all we know, Shinji has his own agenda besides revenge. TomServo101 01:08, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Thats totally left field. Or was the entire conversation with the general overlooked in that random thought. What reason would there be to pull a fast one, they after all didnt really have to wait 100 yrs like aizen who had to consolidate power in another dimension. The only reason the original twist with aizen worked is because we knew little about him and his personality which we cant say about shinji. Why does something aizen supposedly feel about him warrant something other then intentions they have publicly stated. There is nothing to remotely back that. Having said that we cant use weak even to compare captains, they are at a standard thats why that are captains. Vizard though are gonna be more powerful obviously, which is funny cause arrancar are supposed to be more powerful then shinigami and obviously thats not the case for the most part. Anyhow Its probably more then likely previous captain or not all the vizard are gonna be doing serious damage.Salubri 01:38, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. Most present captains and lieutenants got their spots many years after Shinji and friends were banished from Soul Society. So the former lieutenats had way more time than present 2nd seat shinigamis to developt their powers. I wonder if any of them reached bankai. Lisa seems to have become a "bit" more powerful.. Deimonos 7:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

To me, the strongest seems to be Shinj Hirako. Now I know that's just pure speculation, but in the turn back the pendulum arc, he had the same kind of haori as Ukitake, Kyoraku, and Unohana. This could suggest that Shinji is the oldest of them all, and as we have seen with age comes power. The other seven are undeniably strong and some have abilities they are the best at: Hachigen can use extremely advanced and powerful kido without incantations, Rose can use some kind of hypnosis to control his enemies (zanpakuto ability or not, no idea), Love has such extreme strength he tore a Gillian in half, and so on. All in all, I'd say Shinji is the strongest with Love, Rose, and Kensei behind him, and the four lieutenants below them, though thats not saying much because even the lieutenant vizard might be just as strong as the current captains, MIGHT. Don't burn me at the stak please :).--Moe1216 14:45, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Hitsugaya3194, Toshiro is the weakest captain. He states that himself while lecturing Matsumoto in one of the Soul Society Seasons. Also, all the Espada's abilities are completely different and how their opponents fare against them is not an accurate measure of the power between said opponents. For example, in Hueco Mundo, the three captains that fought were matched up with enemies that suited them. Mayuri and Syazel Aporro are both sciency, Kenpachi and Nnoitra are both obsessed with fighting, and Byakuya and Zomari are both up themselves. However, each of those captains would likely have been defeated by the other opponents. Byakuya and Kenpachi could not counter Syazel Aporro's self-resurrection, and the other match-ups would also likely have ended with the Espada winning.