Board Thread:Improvements and Issues/@comment-36620412-20191115231026/@comment-957629-20191118140155

LizzieAdventureStories wrote: Well, I was sincerely trying to bring this about in the most polite possible way No, you did not. In fact, allow me to show you how you came across. Here is what you said in your initial post:

LizzieAdventureStories wrote: As it turns out, there has been a lot more "confirmation" that Giselle probably is actually biologically a female. You made this claim and then followed it up with

LizzieAdventureStories wrote: Kubo only seems to use female pronouns when talking about her and never mentions anything about being male, actually. As I stated in my response, respectful, non-transphobic people use Female pronouns for both people assigned female at birth who identify as female, and people who were assigned male at birth and identify as female (cis women and transwomen).

All you have shown in your "proof" was that Kubo was referring to her as female after referring to her as female during all of her appearances in the Manga. Pronouns are not enough to determine, or act as proof, whether someone was assigned male at birth or not.

But this wasn't enough for you, you decided that this needed to be done:

LizzieAdventureStories wrote: I never asked for the removal of the trivia, but a wiki owner myself, without a note of reference, it's hard to be professional and still include that there.

Firstly: You don't own any wikis, nobody does, not even the Founder. Wikis are all owned by the host company, in this case, Wikia.

Secondly: Bringing up your role in running of other, unrelated wikis, to try and influence how this wiki is run, is not polite at all. It actually makes you look quite arrogant in a "I do this thus I know better" kind of way. There is a reference to the comments, it specifically states that the notes released with Chapter 615 STATE that she is a male. The sentence acts as its own reference. Just because the link used to determine that reference has been killed, more than likely due to Copyright, does not mean that it is unreferenced, it only means that you struggle to find those specific pages because they have been deleted.

LizzieAdventureStories wrote: Also, I never accused the entire wiki of anything. I said that doing such a thing isn't something I would consider professional, "believe it or not." Believe it or not, saying our actions are unprofessional, just because you disagree with them, is not a "polite" thing to say. As has been pointed out to you at several points, the reference is already there. The reference IS the note released with the Chapter. That may not be enough for your standards, but you claimed it unprofessional because it was "unreferenced" despite it literally stating in the sentence where the info came from. Just because you struggle to find that information now, doesn't mean its unreferenced, and thus unprofessional. I showed you where the info was accessed, what happens to that site is not my concern.

LizzieAdventureStories wrote: Well, I've said my piece. and it seems there's no point in trying to have a civil conversation here. That got unnecessarily nasty way too quickly. Yes because "here's the discussion we had on the topic including dates and times info was accessed on" is really impolite. I do not know how you will recover from that one, you might need stitches.

You were the one who started turning arrogant and throwing around accusations. Show me an insult I made before your unprofessional accusation to uh, cite your accusation of nastiness, since you are such a beacon of logic.

LizzieAdventureStories wrote: I had an assumption the reaction would be negative which is why I tried to be nice about it and instead of shoehorning my information into the article, I simply tried to share my information here as a suggestion. Again, you were the defensive one. You said your information was a confirmation, it wasn't. It only confirmed that Kubo uses female pronouns when discussing Giselle, which we have known for years.

LizzieAdventureStories wrote: Again, maybe Kubo will confirm it one day or another. Until the, we don't know. Like it or not, we might think that we know, but we really don't know. Here is the funny thing you cannot seem to wrap your head around, Giselle's article doesn't make a presumption one way or the other, it literally states:

Giselle's article states: In extra pages detailing some of the Sternritter that were released with chapter 615 in Shonen Jump, Giselle is confirmed to be biologically male. Which is a FACT.

Those notes may be contradicted in the future, but even IF they are, it is true that notes stating this or confirming this were released with that Chapter. Kubo's follow-up on the matter does nothing to the article.

All its states is that notes accompanying the release of Chapter 615 made this assertion. That is all.

Even if Kubo says those notes were wrong, it does not make the statement wrong, because the notes were factually released. There is literally nothing to change EVEN IF he said she was assigned female at birth.

LizzieAdventureStories wrote: I feel content that I shared my piece and don't feel the need to continue the conversation with people who won't properly look over my text. It's not a good use of time. Given your misuse of Occam's Razor, you wasted our time.

Notes were released with that Chapter that stated Giselle was born male and that is all the article states.

You are the one using assumptions based on "Well he contradicted notes released before" leaving out the very big smelly elephant in the room, that you have not shown him to have contradicted anything released in those notes.

All you have said "He uses female pronouns" which yeah he used female pronouns back in 2015 too so that is literally nothing new. You have provided no proof of a contradiction and even if you did, there's nothing to contradict because those notes were FACTUALLY released and that is all the article states.

LizzieAdventureStories wrote: You can also feel free to have the last word, since that is obviously what you want.

au revoir, mon amour - ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Yeah, implication of immaturity now, haha you really need to gather a few years of experience if you think you have been polite at all in this conversation.

So how about you don't strawman the statement and make it something its not before trying to use jargon to try and confuse people. You are not the only one who can watch a YouTube video to learn terms or ideas you clearly have no idea how to implement correctly.