Forum:Szayel Aporro Granz

This thread is all about Szayel Aporro Granz.

hey all i want to know where his 8 tattoo is i cant seem to remember if i saw it or if it ever showed it. i assume it did. cause anytime they declare their number they show their tattoo. thanks.

There's 3 possible ranks
Halibel- Either a 3, 2, or 1 Stark- Either a 3, 2, or 1 Barragan- Either a 3, 2, or 1

Tattoo
We are never shown neither Szayel Aporro's tattoo nor his Hollow hole, though we can safely assume that neither is not located on him anywhere from the waist up as shown in Chapter 276 Blookin' Beast, page 10-12, where after healing himself using Lumina, we see no evidence of a number or hole. Emmi11 01:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Szayel Still Alive
Technically,he is still alive,but dying slowly.

gohanRULEZ 06:52, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

He's going to die..... Although it could be interesting if he came back again, only to be killed by a creeped out Kenpachi. --Renji Abarai 06:55, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Wrong. To him, it'll seem like centuries of suffering. But to everyone else, he died within moments. He's dead. :(His Wrath falls from the Heavens. :Starshade) 07:41, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Although Mayuri left him to die, he was never seen after that. So, he could've somehow survived the assult, and come out of it with no good evidence towards his actual death. The idea was for him to die, but whether or not it actually happened is unknown. This, unfortunately for Szayel, is a highly unlikely occerance seeing as how his relevance in the plot doesn't seem very needed. His character was that of one of the most ruthless enemies of the Shinigami, so his death would be immanent. HuecoMuffin 09:57, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

It is proved he is dead it is just that everything seems much slower to hi due to the "superhuman drug" as said earlier. Sanbuntaicho 00:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

He had a sword stabbed in his chest and left there while under the effects of a drug that prevented his action and his last thoughts were roughly 'sword please reach my heart and kill me'. You don't get much more dead. ZeroSD 04:42, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I am certain he's dead. If you remember, that Superdrug that Mayuri used on Szayel would heighten his senses to the point where 100 years will only last a second.

Besides, He begged for his death to be quicker. EspadaPrimeraUlquiorraCifer 18:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

one second seemed like 100 years to him not the other way aroundStark Toshiro 18:46, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

He's dead. Kubo can't do anything more with him, and bringing him back would just be a sad attempt to prolong the battle.

Szayel weakness
Hi

If you've watched Szayel's milkshake on youtube

You may have seen me argue on how weak Szayel is. If not I will give this opinion

Szayel should have been the weakness Espada. This is because:

1)Szayel is the weakest at full strength and in battle - at least Yammy and Aaroniero Arruruerie attack their opponents with some fighting spirit, Szayel goes round opponents using trickery (dolls, clones etc.)

2)one arguement was "and if he's so weak then why did Ishida and Renji have so much trouble fighting him" Szayel said he analysed their abilities and that room at first locked down their abilities, then he released the lock because he wanted some "fun" Mayuri fought him outside the building and Szayel could not analyze him, since this was Mayuri first fight against an arrancar/espada (Implied)

--Exboomer12 15:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)Exboomer12

Szayel's Heart?
It says 'stabs him through his heart', but the Hollow holes are always where the heart is, right? How can he be stabbed into something he doesn't have? Metus 18:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I went back to take a look and (well, I don't know if it's just the translation) it does indeed say 'heart'... Awkward... Metus 19:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * When you say "heart," I don't think we're talking about the biological organ. The Hollow hole can be positioned anywhere, even on the head in the case of Nnoitra. That is, the biological organ that pumps blood does exist (proved by Arrancars bleeding), but the heart in the sense of the... er, soul or mind or something like that doesn't exist, instead being represented by a hole on the body. :(His Wrath falls from the Heavens. :Starshade) 09:31, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Fornicaras/La Lujuriosa
Can someone please tell me why Fornicaras is translated as La Lujuriosa in the english manga and dubs?NightTrain (talk) 06:37, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

The reason Fornicaras was changed is because Fornicaras basically translated to english means to f*&k someone. In shonen jump(age issue) and for most American publications, you cannot use that kind of language. It's the same issue with Adult Swim. While AS can get away with a lot more with the Bleach dub, you cannot not use extremely vulgar language at that hour on basic cable due to FCC regulations. So it's a mix of moral and legal issues. --Lemursrule (talk) 06:44, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

I understand the reasoning now, but still, it seems like a betrayal to Kubo's work.NightTrain (talk) 18:54, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Not necessarily, Fornicaras in Japanese means Lewd Concubine (a harem) and La Lujuriosa means the lustful, so if that was the original intention of Kubo, then the meaning has not really changed. --Lemursrule (talk) 19:05, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Szayel in hell
Szayel's ended up in hell. Doesn't that mean that when he was a human he sined?

That episode was not canon and cannot be used to say anything about the character.--

Alive
Hi guys i am a fun of Szayel and i really cant convince my self that he died.So i would like to ask you if you think that not having a number or a hole on the upper part of his body can be connected with a hypothetical ressurection that he might have ( as i wish :) ).

His Hollow hole was revealed to be his glans. He is most certainly dead and not coming back.--

Well sry for insisting so much but i really have a senario in my head that i want to share.Ok Szayel is dead its official we saw him in hell but he is still there.Lets face the fact that in free combat he isnt that good but when he sees and tests the power of his opponents he quite good and he makes great traps so he can now possibly defeat the sinners and open the gates of hell and go back to HM with or without the help of nuvena.And the reason i want him back is not only because he is my favorite anime character but also because he is the scientist of aizen and who else can free him except Szayel :).Do you find this senario even possible to happen?

Nope. Apparently Kubo recognizes the character as done as he has with the majority of the espada. In the Hell verse he is defeated once again by Shuren and his group. Shuren even states that his power isn't enough to open the gates of hell. Szayel is done. Also his ability to study abilities requires him the aid of a lab which he doesn't have as well as time to set it up with equipment he doesn't have. In Aizen's eyes he considers all the Espada failures and has no use for them anymore. Aizen can't be freed by any outside force. So no this idea isnt remotely possible, especially with a twice damned character with no combat ability. --Salubri (Talk)  15:43, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well sorry but you seem to be quite sure about something we dont really know.First of all Kubo wanted to point out the formidable power of Shuren (He defeat 2 members of the espada) but in the same time not overdo it and make him op (thats why these two members were the weakest among the espada).And then again when Mayuri poisoned Szayel, he tried to find an antidote with his bare hands something that indicates that he isnt useless without a lab.Finally we dont really care what Aizen thinks but what Kubo thinks, Aizen is arrogant ofc he would think so of his espada.But anyway thak you for answering and telling me your oppinion i cant see this objectively.

No this is not an opinion Szayel is dead!! Look at Chapter 306, you will see Mayuri's Zanpakutō pierce his heart!! I don't consider that Mobie-tie-in stuff to be canon considering AA's tank is miraculously fixed and when a Hollow is killed by a Zanpakutō, they are purified and no longer a Hollow!! But yeah, Szayel, is dead, it's not an opinion, it is fact!! SunXia  (Chat)  13:00, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I really cant get why everyone here is so absolute, you should never say never but anyway...I never said that he didnt die or that he wasnt purified, i said that he could come back read closely next time before you state your 'oppinion'.Thnx

Szayel Aporro Granz is dead. He was purified by a Shinigami's zanpakuto, and cannot come back. There is no return as a hollow from that. Therefore his "return" is the opinion here.Licourtrix (talk) 12:10, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

As you can see, i hope, i never said that he would come back exclusivelly as a hollow.But ok... i got the answer i wanted lets end this conv it is pointless now.Thnx


 * Sign your posts with four tildes ( ~ ) in the future!! Also there are no records of people coming back unless consumed elsewhere!! Yes this conversation is moot!! SunXia   (Chat)  14:51, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well i am new so i am sorry for anything i did wrong i will try to avoid it in the future.I agree completelly with SunXia this disgussion is indeed moot from the beginning because it was a speculation, a hypothetical senario.Thnx again for your answers.