User talk:Salubri/Archive 2

Which...?
HEY Salubri! I have a question...Which is current? Hollowfication or Hollowification? It just seems to me like Hollowification would be a more realistic-sounding term...And the Shonen Jump I have with me don't actually use the term. I have an issue that has the term in it, but it's at my Aunt's house. I also think I might have heard the English anime using the term, but I can't remember which version they used. So...Which do you think is proper? Hollowfication or Hollowification?

Thanks! I just wasn't sure, since Hollowification just sounded mor realistic to me. Oh well. Thanks again. --Zev Raregroove 15:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Amagai
Well the question has been posted and Arrancar109 and myself have been questioning wheter to use either Syūsuke or Shūsuke we decided to ask your opinion and try to come up with some sort of agreement on it. We both would like to heard wha's your point of view on it. You can catch up on the conversation by checking our talk pages. WhiteStrike 10:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Komamura in video games
Hello there Salubri. I was just wondering if I could get some feedback on my argument about the "Bleach Video Games" section of the Sajin Komamura page. If you would take the time to reply to my section on Komamura's talk page or leave me a reply on my talk page it would be much appreciated. King Of The Kill 15:15, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for the reply on Komamura's page. Sorry for bugging you so much on the subject, it just bothered me because it seemed out of place. King Of The Kill 21:53, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Wait
Does this mean you think he was captain 100 years ago or not?I just want to know.Saimaroimaru 21:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I totally agree but the filler is a plot hole anyway. the filler shows Kaname was captain when Karaki did it and we all know he was 5th seat in 9th division all those years ago, its sad really but some people can't handle facts.Plus it also puts into question Yumichika and Ikkaku's age seeing as Zaraki met them before he joined the Gotei 13 or at least before he was Captain.Saimaroimaru 02:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

By the way where is it revelaed that there were 9 prior Kenpaichi before him?Saimaroimaru 00:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

So they haven't revealed Zaraki Kenpachi's number yet?Saimaroimaru 02:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I see, I'm gonna look for the interview, if I find it, they will have no choice but to recongize that the current Zaraki is the one Shinji refered to in the vizard orgin arc thingy.Saimaroimaru 03:07, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

You know, for the record, I never did say Kenpachi of 100 years ago wasn't Zaraki, but we can't present it as concrete just by personality descriptions (even though it does pretty much describe him). Don't forget that we also have a similar issue with Kaname Tosen as well, as whether or not Suzumushi is his zanpakuto. Though, if we do have properly cited info in both cases, we can change them accordingly. Hell, for all we know, Kubo wanted the readers to interpret both situations as to what they believe, since some authors/creators have been known to do that. Arrancar109 03:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I just look all around the net and none of his interviews mention Zaraki's Kenpachi number, we 're going to have to wait and see if theres a reaction between Zaraki and the vizards.Saimaroimaru 05:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

this wiki needs...
less removal of facts... a major battle section at every character and a list of deceased characters :P --Pyarox 22:29, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Amagai update
Yo, I've got an update on the situation. Like I said, I found a video where Amagai does introduce his name in the video games: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCtcZ_2P3ak

It's about 1:02 into the video, and he pretty much introduces himself as "Amagai Shuusuke". Yet, today, I did find something out very recently. While websurfing, I came across an SNK character having a similar spelling, a character called Sho Hayate. The SNK wiki spells his name as "Sho Hayate" (see here: http://snk.wikia.com/wiki/Sho_Hayate), but when I came across the Japanese KoF XI site, it spells his name as "Syo Hayate".

So, my question is, what do we do about it from here? I think the Japanese might have some sort of different pronunciation with the letter "y" than we do here, since in proper English Amagai's name would be pronounced "See-yuu-ss-kay" (though, their intention is to be pronounced as "Shuu-ss-kay"). Arrancar109 04:16, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, as soon as you reply, you can delete the link. I'm not sure how to link to the image without the image showing up like this on the Talk Page. I also informed WhiteStrike of this, so I want both of your opinions on this. Arrancar109 04:16, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Preferred Style
I referenced the Bleach_Wiki:About page, and I see that Shinigami, Arrancar and Hollow are captizalized. Is it the admins' perference, then, that Vizard also be capitalized? I see that it's applied inconsistently throughout articles, and when I make edits, I thought it'd be nice if I could make changes to fit this wiki's preferred style regarding the word Vizard as well. I consulted Arrancar109 and it was his thought that it should be capitalized, but suggested that I consult you and WhiteStrike as well. Twocents 06:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Irritating
Hi, Salubri, there's a slight problem with eliskuya2 he saw the messages on jyabura's page and asked Whitestrike to keep an eye on us so called bald butts, now I left a very polite message on his talk page explaining that for one if he wishes to blame anyone he could have just pinned it on me since Jyabura was just answering a question nothing more as well as sincerely apologising for what happened and that if he had any complaints he should have told us directly and we would have explained everything instead of going directly to an admin and that if there was any hostility intended it would have been made clear, but instead he left a message on his page saying, GET THE HELL OFF MY PAGE, and then deleted my message along with his now I accepted that but he continues to confound me with his sheer paranoia (for lack of a better term) and left a message on Jyabura's talk page saying: "you said on my page Dude your page is so weird and dumb what made you come up with a foolish comment like that. tch..I don't care I'll wait for my friend white to deal with you." Now apparently Whitestrike is the only one he is willing to listen to so could either one of you talk to him about this, I admit that I am also at fault here but I clearly apologised and Jyabura shouldn't be punished just for responding on his own Talk page. Thanks and I hope that I won't need to ask anything like this of you again.--SalmanH 18:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

As much as I would love for that to happen, I'm not sure he deserves it until, as you have said he crosses the line more than a few times but thanks for hearing me out on this and as I've said above I really don't want to ask you for anything like this again... SEE YA!--SalmanH 18:47, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Hiyori's appearance
I recently removed a piece from it because it is mentioned later in the section. and i wanted to reduce the redundancy. however you undid my revision. I was just wondering why.

Hyorinmaru
Someone set up Hyorinmaru as a disambiguation page. Should we leave it as it, move said article, or redo the original redirect (since Toshiro's Hyorinmaru is the only manga-canon Hyorinmaru)? Arrancar109 04:38, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I did it because there are three possible Hyorinmaru rather than the standard and spirit like most zanpakuto and neither of the hyorinmaru directed to in searching for it (directly went to Hitsugaya's zanpakuto section which links to the spirit in the name) make any mention of Kusaka's, a disambiguation is intended to make clear that there are more than one thing that goes by or is referred to by the same name as something else. Just because something isn't manga-canon doesn't mean it should be omitted, to do so would be rather biased and ignorant. Ancient Chaos 05:00, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * True. But that's why I also proposed moving the article as well. Otherwise, I would have done something about it myself right away. Arrancar109 05:01, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Aizen Trivia
I said, "Although Aizen states to have reaced his limit in training in all forms of combat, his battle stats reveal that he is not complete in Hakuda or Hoho." Why did you undo my revision? Animeluvr92 02:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)animeluvr92

Re: Hachi & Kido
Well, I'm not sure what contribution to make on the Kido talk page, other than what I've already done. Though, I'll keep my eye on it. As for Kusaka's link to Hyorinmaru, I also added that at some point, though someone removed (as well as the link to the spirit page) at some point. Though I considered putting it back up, I decided not to after thinking about it. I can see your concerns though, since Kusaka was a one-shot movie character who has only appeared in video games after his movie was premiered. I'm guessing that Ancient Chaos thinks that it needs to be noted that someone besides Hitsugaya had a Hyorinmaru, and I can understand why he would think that. I can't really say that I have a full solution to this problem, but I did have a thought in mind during the time that Hyorinmaru was turned into a disambiguation page. I thought about making a Hyōrinmaru (disambiguation) article in order to link to the 3 uses of Hyorinmaru (Hitsugaya's zanpakuto, the zanpakuto spirit, and Kusaka's zanpakuto), but to be honest, I'm still not 100% if I'd want to do this, since some other people might be tempted to make similar pages when there's really only 2 places where it can redirect. I'm still not sure what to do on this issue, but I'll let you know if I think we should do it or not. I'm still confused as to what to do about the Amagai issue as well. Arrancar109 06:04, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * On the issue of Hyorinmaru, it seems to me more logical to put a reference to Kusaka in Hitsugaya's zanpakuto section than on the spirit page as the spirit has nothing to do with Kusaka, wheres Hitsugaya's zanpakuto actually is relevant to the redirect, with Kusaka's being a twin of it, just because a character is non-canonical is not a reason to omit said character's existence in a relevant article (as a side note, said character is mentioned once without an in text link in the section involving Hitsugaya's relationship with Ichigo) Ancient Chaos 06:28, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

About Hinamori
Hi, I noticed that you undid an edit to the 'Momo Hinamori' page that I made regarding the Fake Karakura Town arc.

In chapter 364, page 17, we get a clear shot of Hinamori with her eyes open. So the information that she is lying unconscious is incorrect. She is awake, and seeing everything that's going on.

Question
Hey what's up? I've got a question, do you create a template page like a normal page.?Taboo Reaper 00:57, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Category of characters
Hello Salubri, Moe1216 and I are working on the Samurai Jack wiki right now and I need to ask, do you have to be an Admin to add new characters on the category, and I asked you because the only Sysop/Bureaucrat is never on and so are the rest of the users which number to 7 including so right now I can only create new pages and add info but I have no way of getting to them without going to the recent changes page or the newly changed page. Do you have any advice on this. Anything would be of great help, thanks.--SalmanH 08:37, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Not exactly you know the page with the list of characters links on it, I want to know if I can add to it or not.

http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Characters, in there is a list of characters in this wiki listed in alphabetical order, such as ==K== Isshin Kurosaki and what i want to do is add more character links under that, but it doesn't seem to work so do I have to be an Admin to do so or not.

Okay, so how exactly do i go about doing that, just in case can you give me an example.

Thanks again for the help.--SalmanH 06:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Of course
Heh, I feel like an idiot now. Though that might just be due to the fact that every time I do an edit like that it seems to get reverted/uncapitalized and left like that for a while *sigh* Well, back to work... *re-edits*
 * Oh - that reminds me, was there ever a definitive decision on the Kusaka link on the spirit page vs hitsugaya's zanpakuto section(see above.) Ancient Chaos 05:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Completely unrelated to those, but why waste space making a new section: Is there any chance of getting a block on Golemmouth? Almost all of their edits are spam and they have openly admitted(see most recent change on my talk page) that they will not stop. Ancient Chaos 06:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

My Trivia Edit
I don't know what happened, but my addition to the Vizard Trivia was deleted.

Re: Extensive Editing
Hey! That's fine locking apage for maintenance is usually not a problem. As for the work you been doing referenceing the articles that's great keep it up and when I get sometime I'll help you (my job is keeping me very busy lately). As far as the extensive editing be careful with that try to change as little as possible, keep the edits to mostly grammar and referencing maybe rewritting a sentnce that's proly written. In big articles is easy to lose focus when working on something big and with the page locked most people will not be able to help you if your article begins to sound one sided. So as I said keep up the good work and try not to rewitte the articles while you're at it. WhiteStrike 22:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Quotes
Seeing as you seem to be the most reference-oriented person around here and WhiteStrike hasn't responded to me on it, I'll ask you next. Seeing a lot of quotes added, removed, and edited lately. Do you think it would be too much to require each quote to be referenced? Ancient Chaos 23:57, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with the trivia being referenced to an extent, certain things I'm not so sure how you would reference though, for example: "Yammy is one of the four Espada not to have any Fraccion. He shares this trait with Ulquiorra, Zommari Leroux, and Aaroniero Arruruerie." I don't know how that would be done unless you put in references to the Fraccion of all the other Espada.

Help
Salubri-san I need your help. SalmanH and I are trying to create a Samurai Jack wikia and we have hit a bump in the road. We can't make new pictures. We can use already existing ones and add them to the sight, we just can't make new ones. Can you help us please, or is there anyone you know that you know could help teach us how to do it? Please reply.--Moe1216 14:06, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Help

hi im new so could you help me how do i put other things on my page User:grimmjow110

Thoughts...
Just some thoughts for today:
 * Would it be reasonable, on certain pages, to have quotes pertaining to the article, for example the Hōgyoku it has been spoken of multiple times and many of these instances are used to create the article, it seems to me that some of those should be highlighted with a quote section (Aizen's comment about it awakening fully when in contact with [him] for example)
 * The manual of style makes no mention of the proper pluralization of Arrancar (with or without "s"), the inconsistency has actually been annoying me for a while, I just thought to bring it up now. What is your opinion?

Ancient Chaos 04:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Navigation
I'm not entirely sure about what happened to it but the navigation on the Hachigen Ushoda page is missing.--SalmanH 05:59, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

How'd you get it to work anyway? Arrancar109 06:16, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Alright thanks.--SalmanH 07:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Question About Movies
A user tried to add a separate section below the Synopsis section that had a character's summary in the movies and the OAV. While I did delete that information, I was wondering if we should include synopsis information from the movies & OAV in their own sections, or if we should just leave movie info only on the movie pages and the movie character-exclusive pages. Arrancar109 02:19, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

wrong manipulation
Hi there, I would like to know if there is a way to correct or delete my last posted subject "Accuracy: Anime vs Manga". I definitely made a wrong manipulation when written it. Thank you for the help and the answer. CheersBaronofash 10:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the deletion and for the help. CheersBaronofash 00:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Hey
Explain to me how it's disrespectful to condense excessively wordy sections, that even take more time to read than reading the manga itself and that are repeated again in the quotes section? I appreciate the work that you did, and you will notice that I did not remove any references. However, I can't help the fact that you chose to be so wordy that the page is frightening long and is scary to read. I recall you telling someone else, in fact, that making articles unnecessarily long only served to deter readers. I don't understand, then, why you can't appreciate the help a bit of clean-up on your work would provide for that page. It simply saves you from having to go back and fix all of those errors and condense wordy and confusing sections yourself. Being defensive of your edits for no reason other than you spent a lot of time on it doesn't seem to be a particularly good reason to revert good faith changes that improve the quality of the article. Twocents 06:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Where you said that: User_talk:Arrancar109. It was your reasoning for not fleshing out more of Ichigo's article. And actually, I was completely done. I had condensed the sections I found to be unnecessarily wordy, and yes, I did follow the manga, so I know that you were quite correct. I had and I still have no intention of completely deconstructing the article. As you can see, there wasn't that much removal of text, and no paragraph was completely removed. There is still more than just two tiny paragraphs per arc, just like you wanted. I just wanted to make it so it wasn't quite the wall of text that it was, and that it was readable, without reiterating exact conversations or including relatively minor things like "Byakuya stared at..." And that wasn't 12000+ edits, it was just the removal of about 12,000 characters, which on a page with 76,350 characters after I did the work, is relatively minor. Again, I totally see where you're coming from, and I do appreciate the work. I just think you went a bit overboard in detailing exactly what happened and that for readability's sake, that needed to be cleaned up a little bit. Twocents 06:32, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Significant Battles
You may recall a couple of weeks ago in the forums there was an idea to create an article containing info on the major battles characters were involved in. Do you think this would be a good idea? I ask because none of the admins posted on the thread to say yes or no. TomServo101 13:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I sent all 3 of you the message, but you're the first to reply. TomServo101 10:00, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

question
what episode was the anime version of radio kon with toshiro hitsugaya?

The Edit of Zangetsu(spirit)'s Talk page
You removed my comment. That's fine. People aren't supposed to try having speculation-based conversations there. But that wasn't my intent. In the Trivia, at the bottom of the page, it says, After Zangetsu left Ichigo, Ichigo's Zanpakutō reverts from Bankai to Shikai state, even though it should return to its original state. I was saying that that last part should have been removed, because there is no reason to believe it should have. Of course, I wouldn't recommend adding my opinion's about his Inner Hollow, because that's still speculation. Admittedly, I should've said that outright. I completely botched that. But I'm saying it now, and now you have my opinion and can do what you want with it. WestleyCole 17:11, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. And I'll try to keep that in mind. WestleyCole 18:10, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

HI I hope you remember me well you blocked my ID and i thought that I would let you know that I didnot remove the image on the Yorouichi Shihoin page intentionally well just when I realised my mistake and was about to correct it you beat me to the chase any way I am extremely sorry !!!I used to log on almost everyday and it was hard not being able to... well a lesson worth learning Priyam abigail 19:36, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Main Page - Article of the Month
Yeah, that bothered me too. WhiteStrike usually handles it, but I guess I'll try to modify it then. I'll do a little digging around in the manga for a suitable picture (assuming Lisa doesn't have a character page like the previous winners did) and then I'll change the Article of the Month thing. Arrancar109 19:05, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

I'm~ Back~...
Hey, Salubri! You probably don't remember me, but I'm Komui! I joined the Wiki a long time ago, but then I left because I felt I wasn't making enough pertinent contributions and that I was making too many mistakes. But now, I'm outta my funk, and I'll try to do a better job! You were the first person to greet me when I joined, so I just wanted to tell you that I was back. Well, seeya dude! --Komui

Hey
Are you really gonna let Licourtrix off the hook after he called your warnings lame and attacked your spelling and grammar? Is he new or something or does he not know the rules or that your a mod?This guy is really a moron.Saimaroimaru 19:45, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Lilynette's Status/Occupation
Hey, there's a big discussion on Lilynette's talk page regarding her status as a Numeros, and I wanted to you to take a look before I attempt to change anything. Arrancar109 05:06, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Organization
Since you are the foremost editor of the Powers and Abilities section, I'd like to ask about the organization under Zanpakuto. Shouldn't any Shikai or Bankai abilities be placed in order of appearance? I've noticed it with Shunsui Kyōraku's article, along with Byakuya Kuchiki that their powers were aimlessly put in. For example, In Byakuya's Gokei comes before Shukei Hakuteiken under his Bankai. I just wanted to know why.--Kylecharmed 19:29, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Gegetsuburi
Hi about the image change wasn't it an error by the animators to make Omaeda's shikai look like that and when i checked the manga the old image resembled it greatly.--SalmanH 06:54, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

I only checked the old chapters and neglected to check the new ones thanks and sorry for bothering you.

Neliel Tu Oderschvank
Saluburi! Someone changed Neliel's page, putting a horrid picture in the history section, which was held once by a much better one. in the "Powers and Abilities" section, he has a picture on the left side. I just thought I'd tell you so you might do something.--Kylecharmed 00:30, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Administrators
Well, I can't think of too many people off the bat. Twocents seems to be a good candidate lately, but I can't think of much else. As for one of us as Bureaucrats, I'm not sure, as I haven't thought about it that much. WhiteStrike has asked me that same question, but I haven't been able to think too much on that one. And yeah, I noticed he was gone too, but there I'm not sure where. I don't think he told anyone anything. Likely some stuff IRL that has him completely occupied, which does happen from time to time. I've been doing some of the things that he normally does, like the Article of the Month stuff. Hopefully he comes back soon. Besides, I want to resolve the Amagai thing once and for all, even though it's been up in the air for a long time now. Arrancar109 06:00, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * TL;DR, Yes, RL keeps me busy due to school and other things. I'll hopefully soon have some time to get back on the wiki, but at the moment, it's quite hard and so far your work is amazing there. I took the time to give you both Sysop&Bureaucrat rights while I'm there as you probably saw. Meh, it seems to be all.

Permission to edit
Hello, about two or so months ago I left a message on Ichigo Relationships talk page asking about some information that is fan speculations and what I can tell, made up information. No one responded to this giving a reason why this was put there. I talked to another user, and before editing this we would like permission from an admin just to be sure we don't get in trouble.

Thank you for listening.

TheDarkVizard 20:02, September 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * He's not the only one you can come here for a problem. In either event, it's on my To-Do List as well. Arrancar109 22:44, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Administrators
Twocents was already on my list, but I haven't checked deeply into Yyp, but from what I've seen, his edits seem good. I'm not too sure about Tinni either, as I've only recently gotten to know him/her. Still, I'll be sure to look into their Contribution histories.

While I have you here, is it cool with you to change Amagai's name back to "Shusuke", or should we take this issue in some sort of a different way? I mean, yes, I do know your last verdict on this, but we gotta get this out of the way, so the links to his article isn't as random ("Syusuke" on some pages, and "Shusuke" on others). Arrancar109 06:50, September 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Alrighty, I'll get on that tomorrow, as well as looking into Yyp and Tinni's contribution histories. Arrancar109 07:11, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure which are the big 3 right now besides those 3. I might be able to a bit of searching around, but I have to go to work in 20 minutes, so I'll likely have to get back to you on that one. Arrancar109 14:18, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Resolve Issue Please
This is getting out of hand. I asked that Tinni stop insulting my ideas by callingthem shit and now this.If you don't put a end to this this flame fest with Gold3263301 will never end.Heres the flame war: http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Tinni#Watch_your_mouth.

Maybe needs a remind?
Hey Salubri. Normally, I don't typically care to single particular users out, but it seems to me that Mowgli Uchiha could use a remind about the rules of this wiki. Many, if not all, of his edits have been speculation based or have been irrelevant, inappropriate additions (such as an addition about Nelliel's sexual preferences). I've been doing a lot of work on the chapters' pages lately, so I know his edits may be getting buried, which is why I thought I should call it to your attention. Plus, I figure such direction about preferred edits would be more appropriate and better received coming from someone with authority on the wiki. Twocents 01:27, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Multiple accounts
I've noticed a trend for awhile now that someone one this wiki keeps registering under a random number (today it was User:9518). I think this is someone who uses a different account each time, as it's always a number with no lettering, and it happens every once in awhile. Should I do something about it? Arrancar109 21:11, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Hanataro and Vizard talk pages
Sorry to bother you again, but Tinni brought to my attention that a user insists we change several aspects of the Hanataro and Vizard article, the former regarding the original translation of his release command, and the latter regarding the whole "Vizard/Visored" issue... again. After looking into these, I thought you'd be better at explaining the situations better than I would. Arrancar109 06:43, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Return
Hey! I'm back sorry for leaving with out telling either of you two that I was going to be gone for a while. I see that many changes have been happening since I was gone, and I'm a little lost at the moment. I'll review the recent changes for the last week or so to try to catch up to what has been happening and if you guys are working on anything at the moment and need help with it just let me know. I'll be on like before now and once again sorry for not telling you guys, I saw that the Featured Article took sometime to get updated, since is something I usually take care, but something kind of came up and well you know. WhiteStrike(talk) 09:18, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Best Bout
Hey! as you know last the chapter of Bleach had an announcement about a Best Bout contest. I would like for us to have a similar thing on our Wiki. Have a poll similar to the Featured Article of the Month one and let users vote on their favorite fight, run the poll for a whole month and place it in the main page. I wanted to do this since most users don't have a chance to vote in the Weekly Shonen Jump poll and this gives them a chance to express themselves. Let me know what you thing about it. WhiteStrike(talk) 05:13, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Benihime
Thanks for the help, I'm still trying to get a grasp on all the edit guidelines around here. So since movie information on techniques and powers is invalid, should things like the Kidou Cannon be removed from the general Kidou page to the Memories of Nobody independent page? 12Div4Seat 09:12, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Lisa Yadomaru
Hey Salubri, I know you're probably busy but I have a question. User:Faceplant recently posted on Lisa's talk page that her Zanpakuto Haguro Tonbo has been translated to mean iron drink damselfly. Yet Tonbo is almost always translated to mean Dragonfly. I was curious about your opinion on this. Minato88 16:31, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Thank U for replying so quickly. I went ahead & changed it back. Minato88 17:00, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Tite Kubo's picture
There's this guy that changed Kubo's picture to a ridiculous Paint-made drawing, as well as vandalized the page, and I tried to revert it but failed miserably. I'm just telling you to avoid misunderstandings, I really tried to get back to the original picture but I didn't really understand how to revert it. It may seem as if I added that ridiculous drawing, but I swear it's not like that. I'm just a giant failure in dealing with files. Actually, I'm almost sure I did something right, but the damned drawing won't change and I have no idea of what else to do. Lia Schiffer 09:20, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

He also deleted all the content form Kenpachi's page and replaced it with "Kenpahci is a a****" In addition, as I have been going through and undoing all his vandalism I found comments such as "F--- you guys don't read his a". I have fixed-up kenpachi's page but please do something about Jergunawan12. Thank you. Tinni 09:23, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

What's the maximum ban we can give him? I doubt he'll be back, but just in case he does try a stunt like this again, I think it prudent to head him off at the pass. TomServo101 09:30, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

I'm already on it. He's pretty much a goner. Arrancar109 14:11, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

I have tried to change the image several times but this jackass has loaded a virus with the image & its not responding to any changes I make. Unless someone knows how to get around this we might have to redo the whole page. :( Minato88 17:20, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay disregard my last post. I fixed Kubo's image & left a warning on his discussion page. Minato88 17:26, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

finally
finally that's all i need to know. i'm not a vandal so please if there's something wrong with my edits tell me Shiny-gami 17:16, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Kisukes New Move
Salubri, u were the last person to comment about not adding Kisukes new move from the 3rd movies. So I figured u should know somebody has already added it in is Zanpakuto section & is currently looking for a pic to put in this section. Minato88 22:10, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Got a good one here:

I was the one who did the edit, and any info on why it was removed would be most helpful, as I do want to become a better contributor Balthazar228 19:13, October 8, 2009

Blocking the Wikia bot...
I just noticed you blocked the wikia bot. You should probably ask one of the staff about what the problem was. (It isn't supposed to delete stuff.) PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 15:12, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Metastacia
I haven't fully checked into it, but didn't Metastacia only possess Miyako in the anime adaptation, while in the manga he remained in the woods? Arrancar109 07:04, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Ichigos Determination
On Ichigo's page under his abilities he has determination listed. Twocents, Arrancar109 & I all agree this shouldn't have it own paragraph, but does deserve to be listed on his page either under his personality or in one of Ichigos other abilities. This is talked about on his discussion page, but few replied so I figured i'd ask u. Minato88 23:15, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Starrk Trivia
Sorry about that, i rather messed up the bullet points. I'll learn to use the preview button from now on, but thanks for cleaning up while i was trying to figure out how to fix my mess. BollyW 08:59, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Hollow Ichigo & Ulquiorra
Recently there has been a little debate on Ichigo's fight with Ulquiorra. To be more specific MasterDeva thinks Hollow Ichigo cut off Ulquiorras arm with his sword. He has pointed out that before & after Ichigo is seen holding his sword. However Yyp & I have pointed out that the pic that shows this, Ichigo is clearly not holding his sword. Overall I really don't care either way seeing as in both cases Ulquiorra loses his arm. Still I feel it should be correct. Yyp & I have given up & let MasterDeva have his way for now, until an Admin says otherwise. Minato88 21:25, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Just in the interest of being 100% clear - I do believe that Ichigo was holding his sword when Ulquiorra's arm was removed, as he was holding it immediately prior to & after the removal of said arm (it was, imo, obscured behind his body at the time). I just don't think that he used it as (A.) it wasn't shown to have been used and (B.) he grabbed Ulquiorra's arm - I don't see why he would do that if he was going to cut it off. That is simply a waste of time, allowing for Ulquiorra to react and also makes the angle of attack a bit awkward, imo. PS: sorry to clog your page up with this Salubri, but I thought it best to explain my position since I was mentioned. --Yyp 21:53, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for settling that Salubri. --Yyp 14:53, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

So how did you resolve around this!? I didn't get any notification so I thought I had to ask. MasterDeva 10:13, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Because the decision regarding this issue was taken without any discussion at all (I thought that was to be the case) and believing that it is a lackluster and inaccurate deduction (it is partially my fault) please allow me to explain to you not through third parties but directly. First I'd like to remark that I came to the conclusion that Ulquiorra's arm was cut not because the Hollowfied Ichigo was holding a sword but through a series of indications suggesting that. The only reason I mentioned that the later was holding a sword before and after the confrontation was merely because Minato88 said that in the picture shown the transformed Ichigo was not holding a sword, which is incorrect. Now to the indications I talked about earlier. First in the first panel right before Ulquiorra's hand is grabbed we see something resembling blood coming out of his arm without Ichigo having made physical contact yet. Suggesting he first cut him up and then he grabbed his arm, which could actually make sense. Second in the next page we see the stance that he is in hints that he made a cutting motion. It should be noted that this isn't the first time Ichigo has cut off someone's arm (assuming he cut off Ulquiorra's arm), the first was when he took Yammy's avenging what he did to Sado's arm and the second one being, arguably, avenging Ishida for what Ulquiorra did to him. Third, we see in the first panel right under the "ripped arm" picture the wound in he's which appears to be too clean for an arm that was seemingly ripped off. These are the points that I base my argumentation. What would seem to be the key is in the phrase in the next chapter (351) where Ulquiorra is talking about his regenerative abilities and he refers to his lost arm. I don't know which verb he used when he was referring to his arm or if the meaning of the phrase is indefinite and can be translated freely according to how a translator seems fit. That's why I thought that you would consult a translator about this since as an admin you could have access to a translator that is helping with the site, well... Anyway that's my thoughts about this, I'm hoping that I can get a feedback from you regarding this, thanks for your time. MasterDeva 19:24, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot to add this when I was writing my reasons and its an important one as well, here it is. Fourth, if the arm had been ripped off it would have been from one of the joints, as they are the weakest points of a limp anatomically, that's not what happened here. Thanks again. MasterDeva 21:02, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Yo
Sorry about not responding sooner. Yes, a lot of it looks pretty good. I think some parts of it confused me for a bit (which is why I haven't said anything sooner), but it looks pretty reasonable. I'll go through it again and if I'm still confused on something, I'll let you know. Again, sorry for not responding sooner. Arrancar109 05:24, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

I think you takening the worlds right out my mouth
you blocked Byakkougan and I thank you. and if you have any free time, want talk about stuff or keep it peach. just holler at my page broEliskuya2 23:17, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

It's Bleachluver!
It's me, Bleachluver. I need help, Salubri!

Nemu drill-hand power
What was wrong with that? Why did you undo it? I know I'm a nag, but can't you at least give me a reason for undoing it? I mean, Mayuri has Kusari Gama coming out of his ears and his invention - Nemu - can turn her hand into a drill. See any correlation? I do. Besides, why is a 15 word sentence about a power that has appeared on-screen such a problem? Weedefinition 17:42, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Well if it was in the manga too, isn't it all the more reason to put it up? And how is it a combination of her strength and speed? HER HAND SPINS at the elbow and turns into a giant drill! There's nothing "fan-based" about that. Weedefinition 21:48, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

I just saw the chapter you were talking about, and no, it doesn't appear to be what she used in episode 240. I thought there wouldn't be a problem if I specifically wrote it was from a filler. Just tell me this: If I put it up again with a reference to the proper episode, would that be compatible with the guidelines? Or shouldn't I even bother. Weedefinition 22:32, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

fan art
Hi, I noticed this pic: http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/File:Yasutorasado.jpg come up in the character rotation on the main page. Isn't this a fanart? Don't we have a policy against fanart being used for anything other then decorating user pages? Tinni 06:47, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

I have seen some pretty high quality fanart but this could be a colour page by Kubo Tite. Not like I remember all Chad colour pages. As you know the uploader, I am sure it's a Kubo colour page. I was wondered about it. Tinni 06:56, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Administratorship
Sorry for not responding to this sooner, but I wanted WhiteStrike's opinion first. It was awhile ago when he responded, but he's okay with Yyp being an administrator. He also considered Twocents, but thought that she might have needed more experience. He wasn't too sure on Tinni though, and at the time you asked me, neither was I, but I'm considering Tinni now as well. I'm okay with Twocents and Yyp becoming administrators, however. All we gotta do is ask them if they want it, if it's okay with you. Arrancar109 21:37, October 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * I did, but I'll need some time to think about it. Arrancar109 05:51, October 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * If they just look like what you did with Soifon's page, then I don't see the problem. Arrancar109 18:39, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Changes
Thanks for the info, Salubri! I'll definitely look into all of it. ^_^ Twocents 03:52, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

That was odd. I made that topic under watercooler but it seems to have become a forum of it's own. :/ I guess that topic belong more in the "improvements" forum. Will sort it out. Thanks! Tinni 04:03, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I have no idea what's going on. I went into the "improvements" forum and made a new topic about the volume a week club after putting a delete notice on the old page and it still made it into a new forum that's not indexed under the "improvements" forum. So... yeah, I am following the instructions but the thread is still not being created were it is suppose to be created. :( Tinni 04:15, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Nope, still not happening. Keeps creating it's own stand alone forum, even though I go through the "create a topic" box. Tinni 05:26, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Do u think it might help if I also try & post something in the improvements forum through the create a topic box? Minato88 06:21, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Sidebar
On the sidebar, it links to the "manuel of style" page still. Which probably isn't very help for those who want to find the manual. I thought you should know so you could correct it. Twocents 06:32, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks dear. ^_^ I know I'm ridiculously anal retentive about spelling and such, and I appreciate you putting up with me. Twocents 06:48, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Admin Offer
Hi Salubri. I am happy to accept your offer. Thanks very much for considering me and offering the position.

BTW, I noticed the updates you have been making over the last day or so, and I have to say a big congratulations. That seemed like a huge undertaking, but well worth it. The updated sidebar makes it a lot easier to find/access content. It made much of my bookmark widget redundant. The forums take a bit of getting used to, but I think they are more sensible now - it's a lot clearer now where stuff belongs. And the policy pages too - great addition. --Yyp 18:07, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Skin Colors
Yeah, I think that the current skin is rather bland to say the least and it would be nice to see something better. But as bland as it is right now, it is crisp, clean & easy on the eyes. Most of the skins that are in the preferences are either bland as well, or ugly. The "Gaming" one seemed alright in preview, so I tried it out, but quickly found that it clashes with way too many pages (especially the info boxes and the forum). The contrast was very poor, and many things were hard to read. The color of those things may have to be changed too if something dark is picked.

Changing to something more Bleach-like sounds good, but I don't really associate any colours with Bleach (though maybe other people do). --Yyp 18:08, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

After reading Yyp's comment, I'm sort of wondering if maybe it'd be better if the navigation boxes and such didn't have such a wide range of colors. If they were in the same color families, then that would make it easier to make a nice skin to go with it. As for specific colors, just looking at the Bleach logo, I'd think shades of red and/or blue with whites for trim, so to speak, are the ones that immediately come to my mind. I guess it wouldn't have to look drastically different than it does now, but it would be nice to have a skin more personalized to this wiki. Twocents 19:34, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Adminship
Thank you very much for the offer, Salubri. I'm quite happy to accept.

I read over the policy pages, and I think they're good additions - it certainly makes things clearer for new users and maybe even for old users. Along those same lines, I had brought this up to Arrancar109 a while back, and never received a response. It really bothers me that the format for references aren't consistent across pages or in pages even. I thought maybe if we came up with a consistent format for them and added that format to the manual of style, then the articles might look a little more cohesive. The format I suggested was: Bleach manga, Chapter 3, page 16 or Bleach anime, Episode 17. However, I'm not that particular as to what the references look like, so long as they all look generally the same. (And I totally am willing to work on adjusting the references to a consistent style myself.)

Oh, and the Spoiler Policy in the sidebar doesn't link to the correct page. Twocents 19:34, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Since we're all generally in agreement, I added several reference examples to the Manual of Style. I tried to find as many different references as I could to provide examples for and made them all consistent to the anime/manga reference format we came up with. Twocents 14:24, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Main Page
I agree that the main page can look better, but I'd like some more specifics on what you're thinking. For current events, are you thinking current events on the wiki - like recent updates and such? Or do you mean that current story, but above the featured article? If you mean the latter, then I think we should probably make an effort to not allow it to be so ridiculously long like it is now - people probably don't want to see a wall of text the first time they come to the wiki.

Also, do you have any specific ideas for featured quote and featured picture? Are you thinking it'd be like a weekly feature or a monthly feature? If the latter, are you thinking we should have pages where people can provide their favorite quotes/pictures from the manga/anime and people second the idea?

I guess I'd like more definitive ideas before offering an opinion. Twocents 01:21, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I definitely think that'd all be manageable. For color scheme, are you thinking of incorporating the character infoboxes, navigation boxes and the existing boxes on the main page with it? I think that would look best overall, since we do currently use so many different colors - conflicting shades of blue, greys, purple, orange, burgundy, orange-yellow, green, black, yellow, etc. It might be a bit more boring, but I think it might look better, overall, if all the navigations used the same colors (and that way we won't get blinding colors like on Template:Dark Ones) and then use different, but complementary colors for the infoboxes (grey is so boring). If we start there, with something that's smaller and easier to change without disturbing all the users currently on, then it might be a little easier to take those shades and apply them into a site theme. Twocents 16:59, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I'll summarize our discussion for them.

The main page is, well, seriously underwhelming at the moment. So I would welcome these additions. My thoughts on the proposals (sorry if there's a bit too many questions there):
 * Current events: Sounds fine to me, but I was wondering, what exactly would these events be?


 * Featured quote: I really like the sound of this one. I already know what my vote would be. But this will need to be watched carefully/strict guidelines implemented, as I can see it being a target of abuse. Also, what kind of quotes would we be looking for? Do quotes from Kubo's interviews count? Would we set any minimum or maximum size? Voting would presumably be run at the same time as the other featured pieces, yes?


 * Featured picture: I'm alright with this. I'm assuming this will be open to pictures from both the anime & manga, as well as artbooks/databooks etc? Also, where do we stand on the random image? Is that being kept, and if so, where will the two be placed in relation to each other? I suppose that last one is a minor detail that can be worked out as the stuff is being added. I don't mind whether or not we keep that thing. Voting would presumably be run at the same time as the other featured pieces, yes?


 * Colour scheme: I agree that the large numbers of differing colours of the boxes is too varied. It would be much easier if they were all the same/similar. --Yyp 17:59, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Yyp and I have done some more talking on the matter, and these are the general ideas we came up with:
 * Featured Quotes: Only material released prior to the voting is admissible. Material can come from the newest English dub episodes, newest Japanese episodes, manga, and movies. Since the scanlations vary so much, we thought there should be a specific translator we use (Yyp suggested Ju-Ni or Maximum7) for consistency, and people have to reference the exact chapter and page or exact episode for it to be admissible. Yyp also suggested opening up preferences to preferred translators on the forum to decide? I'm really lazy and typically just look-up onemanga, so I don't care what we use or if we just decide as admins and then impose that translation on people.
 * Featured Pic: Pictures can come from the manga or anime. There needs to be some sort of policy in place so people don't upload a ton of nearly identical pictures for voting. No fan pictures, including fan colorings of manga pages. Yyp and I are indifferent toward whether the featured pic means we completely remove the random image or if we keep it, but modify/move it.
 * Color Scheme: All navigation boxes, infoboxes and the site theme should be in complementary colors. We'd prefer it if they came from the Bleach logo (so reds, blues, whites), but are open to other colors as well. Twocents 21:30, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Other than the issues you pointed out, it looks good. The Wiki News is a very nice addition. A banner would be good, as there is a big white space across the top of the page. --Yyp 22:51, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Except for the issues you mentioned, I think it looks nice. I don't have a big white space across the top of the main page, though, that Yyp mentioned. There's an ad there for me. And then are you thinking that the featured picture and quote would be in the column with the current story? Twocents 23:31, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Odd. There's no ad there for me, just empty space. Must be my browser. --Yyp 23:38, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Do you think people will notice it if they have to scroll down so much to see it? Twocents 23:36, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Templates
While we're at it, there are two navigation templates I'd like to consider revising: Template:Chapters and Template:Volumes. I just think they're obnoxiously large, and having a similar one to Template:Episodes, which links to the previous and next episode, would be sufficient for those templates. I think they were like that at one point, but someone changed them? I'm not entirely sure why that change was made. Twocents 17:13, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. What are you thinking then? I'm not sure specifically what it is I don't like about them - color scheme might have a bit to do with it, since lavendar seems like an odd choice. Maybe it's just that the volume one, specifically, takes up so much space on the article compared to the actual content. I'm not sure how to best go about fixing that though. Twocents 17:26, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

I like that idea. And we can change that when we do all the color changes and such. Twocents 17:41, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Zanpakuto
I didn't know if you saw the edit that Belon21 made to the Zanpakuto page. Ignoring the grammar and spelling errors and the glitch, what do you think of the additional content? I'm a little hesitant about using a filler arc for information on that page, but I didn't want to remove it without another opinion. Twocents 00:32, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. It sounds like you have a general idea of what you'd like to do with that sort of thing, so I'll leave it to you.

On an somewhat unrelated note, I was going through some pages, and I was wondering what you thought about quotes like: "Bankai Hihiō Zabimaru!" or "Howl Zabimaru!" Not to influence your own opinion, but I've been pondering on it, and I wonder how much saying Bankai + the Zanpakuto's name actually reveals about the character, which is what I believe the quote section is for. I'm not, like, against them, though. I just question why they're included when there are much better quotes to use. Twocents 03:03, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Reference style
Quick question about the newly agreed reference style. A lot of pages' references seem to have the word Bleach in italics. Since it would defeat the purpose of standardizing them if some pages had it in italics, while others don't, do you think we should have "Bleach" italicized on all of them? Either way is not a problem, but it would be good to know before I get stuck into the task of changing them. --Yyp 12:57, October 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll change them to standard then. Thanks --Yyp 17:21, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Redirects
I brought this up with Yyp and we thought we should get your opinion on it too. We've noticed that some users (in particular User:Lol pie and User:The_Shadow_Dragon) are making some redirects that may be pointless or confusing. I kind of wonder if those people are doing it for the sake of increasing edit count or what. But I don't think most of the recent redirects are intuitive, because they contain terms or weird variations on phrases that I've, at least, never seen used before on this wiki or elsewhere. Do you think there maybe needs to be a redirect policy? I'm fine with things like redirecting Chapter 128 to the official title of the chapter or whatever, but it's annoying to wade through pointless, and likely never-to-be-used, redirects to try to find pages/edits that need our attention.

Would it be worth talking to these users specifically about helping out with these while asking them to cut down on the number of re-directs? I know there are others who do it too, but not with the same regularity as The_Shadow_Dragon. I think some redirects are useful, but I'm not sure every possible variation of every chapter title, for example, is useful. If I was going to search for a chapter, I'd put "Chapter 13" or whatever. I wouldn't look up the chapter's kanji and search that way. I think the other problem is some of the redirects, like "Suspicion" or "Breathe" could relate to a variety of chapters or characters or other scenarios and it's not useful to redirect such a general word or term to something so specific.

Yyp also noticed that there are over 50 double redirects listed on the wiki's maintenance report. Twocents 17:30, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Do you think there should be some sort of policy regarding redirects, or should we just tell people, "Hey, appreciate you trying to improve the community, but please only make redirects that you seriously think people will use"? Twocents 18:19, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

I'll come up with a general idea for a policy and present it to you, Yyp and Arrancar109 before making an official page. (Is WhiteStrike around very much? I haven't seen him lately, but I didn't want to, like, intentionally leave him out of the decision making.) Okay, I'll try to be more conscious on when to block versus warn users. I just feel bad about blocking when maybe they're thinking of doing something legit, and you know, being a new admin, I don't want people to think I'm, like, eager to go around blocking people. Twocents 18:40, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

I came up with a policy. I didn't know what to put for the "failure to follow" part, but I figured there should be some sort of consequences, or people won't care that the policy exists. Let me know what you think! Bleach Wiki:Redirect Policy Twocents 19:31, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I hope you don't mind, but since I had your okay, I went ahead and made the redirect policy page without hearing back from Yyp and Arrancar109. I wanted to be able to direct those users we mentioned to it, so they don't keep making pointless redirects. I'd still like to add a "failure to follow" section, but I'd rather leave what that should entail up to you and/or Arrancar109 since you have more experience. Twocents 20:38, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Vandalism
Okay, Salubri. ^_^ Thanks for the empowerment speech. I'll definitely be more vigilant from now on.

I think the Central 46 thing is a good idea. I know there were times when I didn't think you or one of the other admins was on and trying to undo a series of vandalism-esque edits when you can only undo one at a time or you can undo all the edits done recently, but risk undoing a legitimate one, it was certainly a pain. And while I haven't seen a ton of vandalism since I've been made an admin, I can certainly see how it'll be annoying to have to be running around rollbacking edits when I'm trying to do something that's a more valuable use of my time. Twocents 19:00, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Do we have a way of categorising the severity of an offence? I'm just thinking that if we have a set punishment for a set level of offence then, it'd save a lot of thinking time for you guys 'n gals. TomServo101 22:26, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Understood. I should have blocked him, as he clearly only joined in order to do that. I'll be harder on anyone doing such things in future. --Yyp 22:29, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

User Page Policy
Hey, Salubri. I noticed yesterday that User:Eliskuya2 has a sort of hitlist on his (her?) user page, sort of like the one that's prohibitted in our User Page Policy. It seems to have been around for a while, though, so before I removed it and left a note about it on his talk page, I figured I should probably check to see if there's some reason why it's been left alone on his user page for so long. Twocents 22:13, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. So I should go ahead and erase it as well as say something? He's kind of, um, zealous, so I just really want to be sure before I do something about it. Twocents 22:59, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

You're so helpful. -_-; But I'm going to assume that's because of your whole empowerment speech yesterday, rather than you not wanting to help me. :) Twocents 23:07, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

I know. I was teasing you. But you're right. It's a lot easier to discuss reference formatting or whatever and tackle that issue than it is to go around enforcing rules, since the latter doesn't always win friends. People just have so much more faith in you, Arrancar109 and WhiteStrike that I'm kind of nervous about being a new admin and having to sort of police things all of the sudden. I'm sure once I get some more experience at it, it'll become sort of same old, same old and it'll be no big deal anymore. Until then, I suppose I can just try to make the best decisions I can and ask you when I'm unsure. Twocents 23:20, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Chapter 380 Reference
Yeah, that was me. Sorry, my bad. I was short on time during the time I added that info into her article. Arrancar109 04:30, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Watercooler and Arcs
Yup, I'm willing to work with that. I've started talking with Yyp about plans and such.

And the arc thing makes sense to me. I think it'd be a bit easier if those were broken up into multiple articles, especially since like with the Arrancar Saga which is like nearly over half the manga, it's just a little unwieldy. Twocents 18:47, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Twocents and I feel that it would be best if we had a policy on what defines fanfic versus speculation. I think stuff like "Ichigo's Hollow is a Vasto Lorde" is a clear cut case. But we think that there are likely to be things that are not so clear cut. Where someone may think that something is a legitimate leap from the manga; someone else might think it has no grounding at all in the story. A policy would clarify that, and we could refer people back to it and hopefully they won't do it again. We both think that you would be better placed to make this particular policy as you obviously feel strongly about it. You seem to have a clear idea of what it is that you want rid of. Would you mind? --Yyp 20:45, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Forgot to say something about the arcs - sounds good. The arrancar saga one is exceptionally long and it is rather off-putting to look at that monster of a page when you want to find something in it. I think it would be better if it was broken into a few separate pages. Yyp 21:32, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Should we keep the original page, and post links to the new pages (if applicable), or bin it altogether? TomServo101 21:39, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

That's great. Much more manageable than the saga pages. Would I be right in thinking that we would be keeping the saga pages, but replacing the text about the battles with links to these battle pages. Just leave the bare bones of the battle in the saga page, and link to the dedicated page? That way we still have an overall timeline. --Yyp 13:05, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

I think it looks nice, and it certainly provides a lot more in-depth info for people who care about that particular fight, without making them wade through everything else. Maybe it'd be nice to get like a screenie of the fight to go with the article too. Twocents 15:18, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Main Page
I was wondering if we were going to go ahead and move forward on the Featured Picture and Featured Quote idea. Since it is a new month, it'd be easy enough to start it this month, and then have the first picture and quote for December. And while I'm at it, is there someone who is specifically in charge of the featured article? Maybe there should be. I'd prefer it if we didn't spend a long time in between the start of the month to when we actually update it, especially since we're already getting people questioning where the new featured article is at on Talk:Main Page.

There was also a request to add the Special:NewPages link back to the front page. I could see how keeping a few high-use links there would be handy. Twocents 00:38, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I can do that! Is there a specific scanlation we should require people to use, so that way everyone can easily reference where the quotes came from? (And so we won't have six people posting the same quote, just from different scans.) Twocents 04:22, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Alright. :) I have Bleach Wiki:Featured Picture up, if you want to look at the outline I posted. Twocents 04:38, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Battles
Just one question about the battles. How do you intend to label battles that involve the same opponents? Is it gonna be like "Ichigo vs. Grimmjow - 1st Encounter" or "Ichigo vs. Grimmjow 1"? Arrancar109 15:09, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Question
I haven't been able to find anyone that has a custom signature yet, are we allowed to do that? Also, isn't there a restriction on your page size? Shouldn't you archive it? -- Tha Reckoning 20:11, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

The wiki's use of Filler
Hi. User:CorpusDei has been posting about what he sees as the wiki's refusal to properly acknowledge filler as such. I have moved his posts to the inprovements/issues forum, here: Forum:Filler and Bleach Wiki and a few others have chimed in as well. In short, he is unhappy with what he sees as the lack of clear labelling of anime-only characters being filler and wishes to add a blurb (using Template:Filler) to the start of every filler characters profile saying that they are filler. He says he does not wish to change anything else about the articles at this point. He has added it to a few characters to show what it looks like (Aida, Aldegor, Shūsuke Amagai and Ashisogi Jizō (spirit)) and also created the Filler page. He has promised not to add it to any more until we get back to him about it.

It is very late here and I'm signing off now, but if you are making decisions about it, my feelings are that if it is just this blurb, then I'm fine with that. It doesn't look that great on the zanpakuto spirit pages that already have the bit talking about the shinigami that owns them. I would have been fine with just having the introduction mention that the character is an anime-only character (and they appear in an anime-only story arc, if applicable) as it already is on many of them. Together with the infobox saying anime only, the synopsis sections using the small print saying the arc is anime only and the categories, I think that is enough. --Yyp 02:11, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I've just left User Talk:CorpusDei a summary of everything I could think of that we already do to separate canon & filler. It is quite a long list and to be honest, I don't see anything else that can be done beyond what I wrote there. I don't think he was fully aware of just how much we do to separate canon/filler, so hopefully making him aware of it will help. If that doesn't appease him, I don't know what will. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, the matter is settled. --Yyp 14:38, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Re: The Committee of Eight
Hi Salubri, I think the committee is a great idea. I'll be happy to help out any way I can and I'll so keep an eye out for seven other users for the committee. I certainly can't think of seven names off the top of my head. One or two but that's about it. Anyway, I am sure you and the other admins will need to think carefully about this. Thanks for considering me. Tinni 01:28, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

The Watercooler
Tinni raised some questions on policy regarding the watercooler at Forum:The Watercooler. I know that you're working on it, so I figured it'd be best if you took a look at it as well. Twocents 17:42, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo Kurosaki vs Jidanbo Ikkanzaka
hey Salubri, I just edited the Ichigo Kurosaki vs Jidanbo Ikkanzaka page and I was wondering if you could check it out because it's my first time writing a full article and also could you help by putting in the references because I dont read the manga I guess you've got a lot on your hands but please do look it up and I hope you will get back to me Abigail16 19:58, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Kido
Someone brought up a question about some kanji on the Kido talk page. I really don't know enough about it to answer, but I thought you might be able to. Twocents 03:17, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, should we post something like, "We're not ignoring you, but the person who knows most about that is busy IRL at the moment" so he knows that we've at least looked at it?

I'll look at it and move it to the correct forum, then. Twocents 04:23, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Height/Weight in Infobox
I was adding references from the character book Souls to various pages and ran into something that I was hoping you could help clarify for me. The heights and/or weights stated in the infoboxes of some characters do not match what is stated in Souls. I assumed that this info came from the character biographies in the early volumes, but when I saw Ichigo's bio in volume 1, it did not match either what is stated in the infobox, or in Souls. (The profile from vol 1 gives his height as 174cm (just under 5'9), while Souls says 5'7 (170cm). And his profile states his height as 175cm, but gives no reference.)

So I have two questions. First, do you know if this came from another source beside Souls/volume 1 (I don't have access to Bootleg, so I can't check if that is the source). Second, when there is a conflict between the stated height/weight in Souls/Bootleg and in the volume biographies, which do we go with? --Yyp 16:53, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Well his page says Ichigo is 175 and 5'9 at the moment. And there were a few others that didn't match what was said in Souls. I'll go change it and the others then. Poor Ichigo loses 5cm. --Yyp 17:16, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Aizen
I think I would probably just include it under a general headline, and then if Aizen later does actually fight someone, we can make a separate page detailing that fight. Twocents 19:33, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Voting Policy
Since it is mentioned on the Policy page, but doesn't currently exist, I have drawn up a draft Voting Policy and would like some feedback on it (Bleach Wiki:Voting). It is mostly based on things I have seen being posted on the Featured Article vote page, but also prompted by some flaunting of the rules on the Feat Pic page. I was wondering if you thought the failure to follow section is alright or a bit too much. It is based on what is said in the blocking policy. My other problem is that I'm not certain what to write for how the winner is decided in the (unlikely) event of a tie. I was thinking either the admins vote on it, or a run-off vote, but limited to 24hrs or so for a speedy decision. Anything else I missed off of it/improvements that could be made? --Yyp 23:40, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

The policy is now up at Bleach Wiki:Voting. --Yyp 20:34, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Issue
I've looked at what was posted, and I've removed some of what was said as it was inappropriate. Since you intend to say something to him, I'll leave that with you.

On a somewhat related note, I would like to suggest that we make it against the rules for a user to remove a post from an admin on their talk page when it involves them being warned about something. Otherwise if we have to warn that same user, we would not know that the person has previously received a warning. I guess it would be best included on the User Page Policy. Either that or we start keeping a list of users that have been warned, when and what for. --Yyp 14:29, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty much in agreement with both options. A list would be easier to keep track of users who have caused trouble in the past, since some of them do come back. And yes, I've dealt with a couple of users who would remove my warnings, so making it a rule to keep it up is a good idea. Arrancar109 15:40, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

I would agree with us making it a policy that they have to keep warnings from admins on their user pages and/or we have our own warning list. It annoyed me when I warned Eliskuya2 about making a hitlist on his/her userpage and s/he deleted the warnings. (I also find it sort of funny that s/he added a note about it in the edit summary. You can look at his/her talk page history to see it.)

But yeah, they don't have to like us, but I see that the user you were talking about specifically has an entire rant on her talk page insulting you. I'd like to think that we wouldn't tolerate such disrespectful behavior directed toward other users, so I don't think that we should tolerate them insulting us.

Plus, having a list of who's been warned will be useful for knowing when it's time to block. If they remove the warnings constantly, we could continue to warn them, unaware that they've had notices from other admins, and they'd be essentially allowed to get away with their behavior. I know other wikis make it a block-able offense to remove anything from your talk page, so it wouldn't be unreasonable for us to be intolerant of them removing admin warnings. Twocents 02:01, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so you think we should make a list of who's been warned. Should we allow them to delete warnings off their user page or no?

I think we have more issues for a couple of reasons. 1, Bleach has significantly more overzealous fans compared to other topics wikis cover and 2, I think some of the other larger wikis have much stricter, no-tolerance policies, while we're a bit nicer about warning people first.

Regarding the council thingy you mentioned to Tinni, I think that'd be especially helpful for going over the anime summaries. Tinni, Yyp and I have been doing pretty well about getting a volume a week done for the manga, but I've noticed that recent summaries added for the anime contain a lot of weird asides and references to other things, and I just don't have to time to read and make edits to multiple 2000+ character summaries on top of doing other things around the wiki. And it'd definitely be good to have more eyes around the site in general, since sometimes we're busy and miss things. I suppose we'd have to consider who, besides Tinni, would the council include and we'd need a definitive plan on what to do if one of them gets overzealous in their use of rollbacking rights, just in case. Twocents 02:51, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

I think I'd prefer if they left warnings on, just for ease of reference. But we can see what Yyp and Arrancar109 think.

Yeah, I think Tinni can sort of be a reference for the others to ask questions to, and then she can direct questions to one of us. That way, all the communication with the council is going through one person (Tinni) rather than the three or four of them running around on their own (so to speak).

I think qualifications would have to be a substantial number of contributions as well as a demonstrated ability to type using proper grammar and spelling. Having them work on the anime and manga pages defeats the entire purpose if we have to go back over their edits for corrections like that. And like I said, I'd just really feel better about the quality of the episode pages if they'd go over the existing summaries first and do those sort of corrections. They're a little lengthy for just one person to be able to quickly do it, and plus, it'll definitely offer like a little test for us to see the sort of quality we can expect on the summaries from them. Maybe all of us admins and Tinni can think up one or two people as nominees and work from there, since I'm sure we pick up on different things. Oh, and another qualification would have to be that they've demonstrated an ability to interact with other users in a calm manner. I'd be nervous about giving rollback rights to someone who tends to be a little rash and hot headed, you know?

Yeah, I can see that. It'd force people to raise an issue on the talk page before they make an edit that we've reverted countless times before. Though, for the Harribel fans who think Unohana's going to save her, I can see an argument for waiting until Unohana and Ichigo arrive in Karakura Town before we protect the pages once and for all. Twocents 03:36, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

About the warnings: I'm strongly in favour of stopping people from removing Admin warnings, as doing so is effectively saying "I don't care what you think" to whichever one of us added the warning. The list would make it a lot easier to keep track of who has received a warning from another Admin, so we know when it is necessary to take serious action. But I would like to stop them removing Admin warnings as well.

Regarding the list, I have a few questions. (1) How long will users be on the list for? Should we remove them from it after a year (or whatever), or will it be a case of once you're on the list, you stay on it forever? (2) When we are starting it, do we start from scratch, with only the warnings issued from the day the page is created being added, or do we add people that have already received warnings? If the latter, how far back do we go? The start of this month? Further back? I think we would end up missing some people if we go back too far.

About the Council: I like the idea of the Council and would be happy to see it introduced. About the episode summaries that Twocents mentioned, while I'm grateful to User:JohnnyLightning for adding them, there are a lot of them and I have only been able to go through 1 or 2 at a time before I get fed up because they need a lot of correcting (I've only fixed 10 or so out of 70+ summaries that he added). It's too much for one person, so the Council would be great for that (& the other stuff you mentioned).

Selecting members - Tinni should be one, obviously. She has been doing fantastic work and is very vigilant with speculation & correcting poor edits. The criteria for selecting others - a sizeable number of edits, but more importantly, their edits are of good quality & useful. Good spelling & grammar is a must, as Twocents said, and they should be able to get on reasonably well with others if they're going to get rollback rights. And they ought to have been here for a minimum amount of time too, imo, just so we can get to know what they're like. --Yyp 14:59, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Arrancar109, Twocents & myself are all in favour of stopping people from removing warnings from their talk pages. Since you said you were happy to go along with the consensus, I'll add that to the User Page Policy. I've been working on an update to that page and will add it shortly. --Yyp 19:07, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Re: User Policy Violations
Well, a couple questions:
 * 1) Will we organize it so each user is giving their own subsection? I just think a long list would be too hard to find each offense a user has been warned for.
 * 2) Should we move the page so it's not considered an article page? So it's like Bleach Wiki:Policy Violations instead. That'd be more in line with the rest of the policy pages and such. Twocents 20:01, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be good to add an extra column for the page that the offence relates to. If a user has multiple warnings, they should be grouped together and all users on the list should be organized alphabetically so that it is easy to look through. I agree with Twocents 2nd point. --Yyp 20:07, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I think we have a good starting point. I'll go ahead and find all the warnings I've given since September and add them, and everyone else can do that same. Sound like a plan? Twocents 20:21, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I was just thinking. I remembered that I had given User:CorpusDei a warning on a forum for his insults directed to other users. Would we consider warnings on forum pages, edit summaries, etc. worth adding to the Policy Violations page, or are we only going to add warnings where we've gone to their talk page and said something there? Twocents 21:04, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Yyp was thinking that warnings given in an edit summary shouldn't count, but I think that warnings on user talk pages, article talk pages, and forum pages, at least, should. Is that your general idea too? Twocents 21:22, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, great! Glad we have a consensus. And I finished my list of those I've warned/blocked and added it to the policy violations page. Twocents 21:41, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * I remember seeing this before, but somewhere else. Either way though, I think it's a good idea. Arrancar109 00:42, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Forum
I was wondering if you'd take a look at Forum:Hogyoku destroyed?. I can't decide if we should leave it up there, because I could see people interested in the idea. At the same time, though, I don't see where he reached the conclusion that if they destroyed the Hogyoku, the Vizard would also be killed, and it seems like the Speculation Policy clearly says there has to be some sort of basis for the speculation. I know you're a little more annoyed by the crack theory forums than I am, so I figured I'd get your input first. Twocents 03:07, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Reading what he posted and what you said, I think you may be right - that he just doesn't understand how the hogyoku works. In which case, it should go into the Bleach-related Discussion forum, which is where questions about the series go. And that should limit unnecessary, unfounded speculation regarding the subject. So I think I'll leave it, but move it.

...Not that you needed to know my entire thought process. xD Twocents 03:36, November 15, 2009 (UTC)