Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner

The Translation Corner is a place where a group of users can get together and help maintain the wiki by keeping it up to date on the actual translations of the various names, abilities, techniques and etc. found in the Bleach Universe.

Associate Members

 * Adam Restling (Japanese)
 * MarqFJA (Japanese)
 * Lia Schiffer (Spanish)
 * マルセロ - Marcelo (Spanish)

References & Sources

 * Kanji-to-English:
 * Tangorin
 * Mahou Kanji Dictionary
 * Kanji Networks
 * OldNihongo.J-Talk.Com
 * Basic Japanese verbal data: The imperative inflection of Japanese verbs

Nozomi Shikai
Regarding her release command, "Kurisuke" isn't a word. The kanji used don't mean anything in Japanese (if anything, that looks like someone is just trying to spell it out in phonetic kanji). In the episode, she is definitely saying "Furishikire" (降りしきれ), which is actually a verb relating to rain. Faceplant (talk) 21:58, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Inaba Zanpakuto Query
I believe the release command for Inaba Kagerouza's Zanpakutou is incorrect - it should be 狂え (kurue), not 狂い (kurui). Firstly, this can clearly be heard when listening to the episode audio. Secondly, the imperative form of the original verb (kuruu) is "kurue", and as far as I know all Shikai commands use imperative forms.Velorien (talk) 11:57, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

Furthermore, could someone tell me what the source is for the kanji for Raiku? It differs from the kanji given by the TVTokyo captions, which are 莱 空 - "Goosefoot" ( a weed the stalk of which has been used to make walking sticks in China since ancient times, linking it to Raiku's cane form) + "Void/Empty".Velorien (talk) 11:57, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

Komamura Bankai
Shouldn't the translation be "Vidyaraja's Heavenly Punishment, Kalasutra"? Because I just found out that Vidyaraja is a passion-quenching wrath-faced Buddha, and attacking one is apparently traditional grounds for lifetimes of torment in the extreme Buddhist Hell of Kalasutra. --Reikson (talk) 06:13, July 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Or, alternatively, "Kalasutra's Heavenly Punishment, Vidyaraja"? --Reikson (talk) 06:15, July 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * This was actually dealt with some time ago, before the translation corner existed. Check out Talk:Sajin_Komamura/Archive_1 (might be more of it on Adam's talk page). 10:11, July 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Huh. --Reikson (talk) 16:34, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

Sayori
Hey, I need the romanization and kanji for Sayori from Episode 173. I also need the romanization and kanji for Sacchi as well (same person - different name). Thanks! TheDevilHand888 (talk) 01:13, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Episode 314 cast


I managed to isolate the names of the two anime-only characters that debuted in Episode 314, "Haruko" and "Ken", in the cast listing during the end credits, and I leave my results here for the wiki's perusal if it's decided to create character pages for those two. As far as I can tell, Haruko (second from top) is voiced by Mamiko Noto. That said, does anyone know who is the voice actor for Ken (fifth from top)?

Also, the katakana of the second-to-last name (sixth from top) reads as Ikemen. I assume that is supposed to refer to this episode's Hollow, but I can't be 100% sure. MarqFJA (talk) 12:56, April 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like Ken was played by Toshiharu Sakurai, and whoever this "Ikemen" (prob. from the Japanese for "hot guy") was, he was played by Seirō Ogino. Adam Restling (talk) 22:42, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Nozomi Kujo
We need clarification here, since someone edited Nozomi's page and stuck the supposed kanji on it. The kanji for her name on her page seems to be 九条 望実. I don't know who supplied it, but I just want to make sure it is correct; additionally, we need to double check and see if her name is "Nozomi Kujo" or "Nozomi Kujō/Kujou". If you need to check the episode that revealed her name itself, it was Episode 318. Please get back to me as soon as your are able. Thanks in advance. Arrancar109 (Talk)  05:03, April 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * The Japanese reads as "Kujō/Kujou Nozomi," so...--Reikson (talk) 05:10, April 25, 2011 (UTC)



Inaba
Someone placed 因幡 影狼佐 as the kanji for Inaba. I removed it due to being placed improperly but before it goes back up. can I get a confirmation on it as being correct?--.

I think you should only add the first two characters, because 因幡 or Inaba stems from 因幡の白兎, which roughly translates to "inabanoshirōsagi" or "Hare of Inaba", referencing the Japanese myth of the same name.


 * Hold up! Was the kanji for Inaba given in the credits? --Reikson (talk) 05:28, April 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have no idea where this comes from. It was placed on the page. That is all I know.--

Either way, we still need the Kanji for Inaba's full name, "Kageroza Inaba", which was revealed in Episode 319, so the episode credits should have him listed. Let me know as soon as you can. Thanks. Arrancar109 (Talk)  17:27, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

If that is so, then the kanji should be "(影狼佐 因幡, Kageroza Inaba)" which I got from Tangorin. It is actually exactly the same as the previous user uploaded, except he/she did it in the opposite fashion. Also, I only put the first two characters because that was all that was revealed of his name at the time. 06:21, April 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd still like a confirmation from Adam before we put this on the article.--
 * I can confirm that those are the kanji for Kagerouza Inaba's name given by the TVTokyo captions.Velorien (talk) 11:47, May 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that those are the kanji for Kagerouza Inaba's name given by the TVTokyo captions.Velorien (talk) 11:47, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hirenkyaku
The kanji for Ishida's Hirenkyaku ability are incorrect - they should be 飛簾脚 rather than 飛廉脚, with the middle kanji having a bamboo radical. Reference: manga chapter 122, p.10.Velorien (talk) 12:08, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

Togabito Names
. Shuren's name can also be spelt as Syuren and Gonjō's can also be spelt as Gunjyo.

Ichimaru-Tsang April 4 2011

Sorry for the trouble, Ichimaru-Tsang! Here's the other image:

Thanks,

Jirachiwish Talk  04:53, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Jirachiwish.

From Ichimaru-TsangHay Jing Tsang (talk) 12:19, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

About "Mediumship"...
Was there ever a Japanese term used in BLEACH to describe those who can see ghosts?

'Cuz the closest I ever found was... 霊能者 (reinōsha), roughly translated as "person with spiritual skill." --Reikson (talk) 01:37, January 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Where did you find 霊能者? Can you give me the ch. and pg. #? Adam Restling (talk) 23:33, February 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Never said I found it anywhere. If there was, I haven't seen it. Reinōsha was the closest word that I could find in a dictionary, that could possibly apply to the article. That's why I was asking. --Reikson (talk) 00:47, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

I know the term has been there since before it was released, but chapter 424 page 7 (as Ichigo, Isshin, Karin & Yuzu leave the house) Ichigo says something about Karin being a high spec medium if that helps. 12:08, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Ran'Tao - Symbol on Back
What does the symbol on Ran'Tao's back mean please? According to her article it is something to do with her powers being sealed. 11:29, February 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not sure; it may just be something they made up to look *kewl*, but I'll investigate further. Adam Restling (talk) 12:40, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Zanketsu
Hi. Can you please give me the kanji from this image and their meanings? WD  Converse  17:20, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

The zan part is 残 "linger, remain; leave behind". Since ketsu (ケツ) is written in katakana, it's hard to know what word was intended, tho it would be funny if it ketsu "ass" XD. I missed that 'sode; maybe the context of its appearance would help me out? Adam Restling (talk) 12:44, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Am I allowed to answer this as a Japanese? Well if you look at the subtitles above, (↑) it says that the sign means "left-over ass". Well that's correct. the kanji/katakana of the word is 残ケツ if that's what you meant. JapaneseOPfan  :: Talk   14:23, March 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you're right; but I still would've appreciated somebody giving the context so I could make my own judgment (I hesitate to DL and/or watch myself because I my VLC f**ks up so much, and so does Flash tarry unless it's all you're doing on the Internet), as subtitles have also given us sh** like Koutotsu = "The Cleaner" (it does not ) and "Heaven-Shocking Lunar Fang". Adam Restling (talk) 23:22, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Adam, if you still want the context, it is during the mod soul training. Renji and Ichigo are forced to place their swords in cases that have these tags on them that make fun of their zanpakuto names.--

Hadou #88

 * Shouldn't it be Hiryūgekizokushintenraihō, not Hiryugekizokushintenraiho, because that is the current title on its page and the Kidou list.
 * Master D (talk) 18:02, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

MASKED Character Book
For some semblance of order, I am putting all masked related stuff in this section. Tinni  (Talk)  05:59, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Kubo's comments on new characters
I uploaded the two pages from Kubo's interview in which he comments on the new characters. It would be a great if we could get a general gist of what Kubo is saying for their profiles. Thanks. Tinni  (Talk)  17:44, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Romanization of Hollowfication


As you know, the wiki currently translates (虚(ホロウ)化, Horōka) as "Hollowfication," which we have been using as such for various articles across the site. However, as the exert from the MASKED databook to the right shows, Ichigo's act of donning his Hollow mask is referred to as "Hollowize," implying that the process of becoming a Hollow would be more correctly translated as "Hollowization." This would further suggest that the process of becoming an Arrancar would actually be called "Arrancarization/Arrancarize." Now, I know that we have had some problems with the databook's romanizations in the past, but this one is fairly consistent with what we know, as "-ification" and "-ization" can be easily mixed up for one another. Is the databook's romanization correct, or should we just stick with what we already have right now? I only ask as a peremptory measure, since converting all of the "Hollowfy"s and "Hollowfication"s into "Hollowize"s and "Hollowization"s would be another huge undertaking. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  17:53, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's weird that  Horou ka by itself is translated "Hollowize", since it refers to process/effect only; translating "Hollowize" as in the verb should be something like  Horou kasuru, with the auxiliary verb suru turning the noun  Horou ka into a verb.


 * But I digress XD. It's up to you guys and the consensus, I suppose, whether you want to change it to "Hollowize : Hollowization"; but the English and some of the romanizations in MASKED are kind of a poor guide anyway: why is it Shuhei Hisagi, but Syunsui Kyoraku or whatever? The letters shu and syu both represent the same sound in Japanese, but belong to different romanization "schemes" (Hepburn and Nippon systems respectively, I think). Why are some long ous written out thus (S ou suke Aizen, T ou shiro Hitsugaya), but some reduced to just o (Kaname T o sen, Toushir o Hitsugaya)?


 * I think on the issue of Hollowfy/ication vs. Hollowize/ation, it's kind of a toss-up, esp. since we only have one of the possible forms, "Hollowize", in MASKED itself. Not to mention that, in his special bonus to vol. 36(? I think it was), Kubo printed Grimmjow's last name as "Jaegerjaque z ", but then changed his mind (back?) to "Jaegerjaque s " for MASKED.


 * What do you other guys think? Adam Restling (talk) 11:46, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't the Romanization more or less signify the same thing? I suggest that, other than a mention of the officially-used Romanization in the main article for Hollowfication (and Arrancarfication, if there is any...), we don't change anything. --Reikson (talk) 14:35, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Volume 50 Poem
Could anyone help me translate this please?

From Ichimaru-TsangHay Jing Tsang (talk) 15:13, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Bleach Bleach Official Character Book 2 MASKED Poem
Could anyone help me translate this please?

From Ichimaru-TsangHay Jing Tsang (talk) 14:52, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Senjū Kōten Taihō
A user placed the below as the kanji and romaji for Senju Koten Taiho's incantation. Can we have a confirmation?-- "(千手の涯, 届かざる闇の御手, 映らざる天の射手! 光を落とす道, 火種を煽る風! 集い手惑うな, 我が指を見よ! 光弾・八身・九条・天経・症宝・大輪・灰色の砲塔! 弓引く彼方, 皎皎どして消ゆ!, Senjuu no hate, todokazaru yami no mite, utsurazaru ten no ite! Hikari wo otozu michi, hidane wo aoru kaze! Tsudoi temadou na, waga yubi wo miyo! Koudan, hasshin, kujou, tenkei, shippou, dairin, haiironohoutou! Yumihiku kanata, koukou toshite kiyu!) "


 * Sounds all well and good... --Reikson (talk) 00:28, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Tenken's Special Ability
Someone on Komamura's talk page brought up that Tenken's ability is described as being able to summon any giant limb, even though it has only ever been used to summon arms. Does his page from MASKED mention anything about the ability that could clear this up? Mohrpheus  (Talk)  16:18, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Poem
I will place the opening poem from UNMASKED here, so Adam can translate it when next he gets on. 11:54, June 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I believe I would translate this thusly:

Abaitamono ha yokubou to kyomu Ushinaumono ha nanimonai

The things exposed, desire and nothingness The thing lost, nothing

Adam Restling (talk) 10:52, June 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks Adam. Good to see you back on 10:58, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yammy's "Pet"
Can I get a romanization of the name of Yammy's pet please (2nd picture in gallery above, middle of right hand page). I've seen "Kukkapurro" being bandied about, but I'd like confirmation of that. Also, I think I can see the kanji for Arrancar in there, am I right? 11:27, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * There doesn't seem to be an official romanization for Yammy's Fracci-hound; the forms like "Kukkapuuro" etc. are just based on the katakana (Kukkapūro). Someone on Bleach Asylum said they had an idea on a possible inspiration for the name, but no official romanization has appeared in any of the scans I've been able to see (though I'm a bit behind).


 * The Kanji on the Espada page seem to be just, as the English says, the same "Aspects of Death" ("'Death Figures'") each represents, as first seen in the chapter "Tyrant of Skulls". Adam Restling (talk) 11:48, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hollow Hole Locations
Apparently picture 3 above gives the locations of the Espada's Hollow holes. Is that correct and if so, can we get the location of the unknown ones please (Harribel, Baraggan, Zommari, Szayel Aporro, Arroniero). Thanks 12:20, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * As Bleach Asylum's czeliate provided:


 * Baraggan = center (of) chest


 * Harribel = bottom abdomen - womb


 * Zommari = right nipple


 * Szayelaporro = glans (head of the penis)


 * Aaroniero = left thigh (area). Adam Restling (talk) 12:03, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Found Something Weird...
Something went to a lot of trouble... try this link. --Reikson (talk) 23:15, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Byakuya's Blood Type
This page from Unmasked apparently says that Byakuya's blood type is AB as opposed to the previous O which was given in past databooks. Can I get a confirmation on this please.--

Nestle to Night Poem
Poem from Nestle To Night novel in UNMASKED 10:22, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yayzorz, an easy poem. The words are all in kana, I suppose to show the simpler or more "childlike" diction of the dog (!).


 * Yamī Yamī
 * Bokura no sekai ni
 * mata
 * yoru ga kita yo


 * "Yammy Yammy
 * To our world,
 * again,
 * night has come"


 * Tragic stuff.


 * The element mata usu. means "again", but can also mean "still, also" (although "still, yet" is usu. handled by the word mada). Adam Restling (talk) 11:13, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Technique Names
I was holding off posting this so as not to flood the corner with too much stuff, but I'm posting it now so I don't forget about it altogether. Apologies for the deluge. In the "Special Program" section of UNMASKED, there are a number of pages listing technique names dating back to the start of the story (pictures 5-12 above). Take your time with this. There's a lot of stuff there, so no rush. 10:22, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I showed spanish speaking friend a scan of the first page from picture 5 from unmasked. She translated palma plancha as "iron palm", hierro virgen as "iron virgin", jaula tentaculo as "tentacle cage", la helice as "the propeller" she didn't feel comfortable giving a translation for lanza tentaculo, and lengua tronco. Likely because we'd started doing shots by then.Licourtrix (talk) 11:20, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Baron Puntapies Alto = High Kick(ing) Baron
 * Rugir der Dragon = Roar of the Dragon (I don't know if "der" is supposed to be "del")
 * Uno = One
 * El Uno Picotear = The One Peck
 * Ala Cortadola = Cutting Wing (Supposed to be "Cortadora")
 * Ala Cortadola Dispersion = Cutting Wing Dispersion (Supposed to be "Cortadora")
 * La Cortadola Hachador = The Cutting Lumberjack/Woodman/Axman (Axman is literal translation; Supposed to be "Cortadora")
 * La Cortadola Gradiator = The Cutting Gladiator (Supposed to be "Gladiador"; Supposed to be "Cortadora")
 * Ave Mellizos = Bird/Ave Twins
 * Cero Cornea = Corneal Zero
 * Plato Colmillo = Tusk Plate
 * Silber Draht = Silver Wire (Supposed to be "Silberdraht")
 * Palma Plancha = Grilling/Grilled Palm
 * Hierro Virgen = Iron Virgin/Virgin Iron
 * Jaula Tentaculo = Tentacle Cage
 * Lanza Tentaculo = Tentacle Lance/Spear
 * Lengua Tronco = Body/Trunk/Log Tongue
 * La Helice = The Propeller
 * Garra de la Pantera = Claw of the Panther/Panther Claw
 * Teatro de Titere = Theater of Puppets/Puppet Theater
 * Telon Balon = Balloon Curtain
 * El Embrion = The Embryo
 * Indice Radar = Radar Index
 * Silbido = Whistle
 * Afinar = Tune Up/Sharpen
 * Tijeras Neptunea = Neptunea Scissors
 * Pulsera Cuerno = Horn(ed) Bracelet
 * Pluma Viento = Feather Wind
 * Devorar Erupcion = Devouring Eruption
 * Misil Diente = Tooth Missile
 * Vagido = Wail
 * I Bu = I Bu(?)
 * Centurion = Centurion
 * Luz de la Luna = Light of the Moon/Moonlight
 * Descorrer = Draw Back/Draw Aside
 * Solita Vista = Solitary Sight
 * Latigo = Whip
 * El Martillo = The Hammer
 * Regueldo = Belch
 * Klavier = Piano
 * Trident = Trident
 * Senescencia = Senescence
 * Colmillo = Fang
 * La Mirada = The Gaze
 * Fragor = Clash
 * Ultrafragor = Ultra Clash/Ultraclash
 * El Escudo = The Shield
 * Millon Escudo = Million Shields (Supposed to be "Escudos")
 * Chain = Chain
 * Grua Tirar = Crane Throw/Pull
 * Arpeggio = Arpeggio (from "arpeggiare," meaning "to play on a harp")


 * Can someone confirm these? Mad Rest 11:19, July 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll try to confirm these--and seek out *dem* precious underlying Kanji for the techniques--very soon. My summer vacation is almost here :) :) :) !


 * And you're almost surely right in your suggestions re: some of the romanizations, e.g. how der should prob. be del... of course, most of these compounds are grammatically incorrect as Kubo usu. is... this also, I believe, happened in MASKED when Zommari's technique was romanized Amore (Italian for "love") rather than Amor (the Spanish form).


 * P.S. Hope you don't mind, but I removed some of the massive blank space between the above post's two paragraphs, since the list of names is already pretty long. :) Adam Restling (talk) 11:34, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Genga's Bakkōtō
Is its name Kyōkaku or Kakuyoku, because somewhere on the page it mentions Kyōkaku, but they say Kakuyoku in both the English and Japanese versions. Its kanji is 角翼, Horned Wings. Master D (talk) 22:27, July 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's Kakuyoku, since you have to account for the on'yōmi of 翼 (tsubasa, meaning "wing"), which is yoku. --Reikson (talk) 22:55, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Bringer Light translation
Excuse me, but I was reading the Fullbring Article, I cannot seem to find the kanji or katakana for Bringer Light, and if I were to get it wrong, it would be undone. What did the raw manga call "Bringer Light" accurately? Dekoshu talk contrib 03:15, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Division Recruitment
In Bleach's Official Bootleg, captans and vice-captains were asked to answer questions regarding recruitment. The characters used the word "men" repeatedly, which I found inappropriate, though I know the word can be understood as a person of either sex.

I would like to point out that the original Japanese version used the gender neutral noun "者". I suggest that we use the word "persons" instead of "men" or any better alternatives to "men". Even Iba used "者" for his first answer -- "[者] who overflow with masculinity. " For Yachiru, she used "hito" (人) instead of "yatsu" (ヤツ) therefore it would more accurate for us to use "people" instead of "guys", regardless of what the official translation is.

Wintersbreath (talk) 04:25, July 17, 2011 (UTC)Wintersbreath

Komamura's Bankai
A mod sent me here to ask this, I posted it on Talk:Sajin_Komamura first:

Myouou -> Vidyaraja

Kokujou -> Naraka

Kokujou is the Japanese term for Buddhist hell. And Naraka is Buddhist hell. Also Kalasutra sounds like Kamasutra, which is awful. Just type "Kalasutra" in Google, it returns "Did you mean KAMASUTRA?". But most importantly this page explains it better:

http://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/naraka/index.html

"Naraka or Niraya (Tib: dmyal.ba) is the name given to one of the worlds of greatest suffering, usually translated into English as "hell" or "purgatory"." Xcetron (talk) 02:47, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Im not sure what the question is or point your attempting to bring up.

Kokujō Tengen Myō'ō (黒縄天譴明王, Vidyaraja of Kalasutra's Heavenly Punishment; Viz "Divine Retribution, Black Ropes of Ruination")

Vidyaraja are the third level of the Buddhist pantheon they are Wisdom Kings who are the embodiment of the wheel of injunction and teach through fear, shocking nonbelievers into faith. Kalasutra is the one of the hot "hells/naraka" of Buddhism.

Im not understanding your meaning seeing as you didnt seem to make the connection to what kalasutra was comparing it to kamasutra (which is completely unrelated and not awful) secondly the translation is correctly given its deeper meaning is something only Kubo as the writer would know. We cant make assumptions to what his intention was and this topic has been done over to death by various users and translators. Hence your not really presenting stuff thats not already known. Is this a translation issue at all?--Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  03:25, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Nozomi Kujō's Zanpakuto
Apparently, Nozomi's Zanpakuto has two translations, as this was written on her page:.

I'm not sure which one it is, as they are both different meanings. We need to be verified on what her Zanpakuto name translates to. And if it helps, she releases her Zanpakuto in Episode 331 of the anime. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  16:02, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

"Wind Death" is Hisagi's Kazeshini. Looking at tangorin, there does not seem to be any way 退紅時雨 could mean "wind death". According to the edit history, Jirachiwish added it. Maybe he copy/pasted template from Hisagi's page or something. Dunno. 20:32, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

I had a feeling, but the other meaning doesn't make any sense, hence why I wanted it verified. I haven't really touched the translation template on that page, but I'm beginning that I think I should until we can have verification as to what Arazomeshigure means. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  20:42, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, looks like something that could have a lot of potential meanings and should be left up to Adam or Marq to settle rather than users guessing from online translators as seems to be the case right now. 20:45, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about that! I added the translation template in for her Zanpakutō's name, which was already on the page, but I forgot to blank out the Wind Death thing. Sorry --<font color="#660066" face="Verdana">JW <font color="#660066" face="Verdana">Talk   05:54, July 20, 2011 (UTC)