Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-36398139-20180804003259/@comment-957629-20180807133950

Jmoul18 wrote: I noticed that whenever there is a choice for him to have a fight on even terms or cheat/fight a weakened opponent, his choice is always the latter.

You say "always" like we have seen many facades of his life when we really haven't seen much. We seen him look for fights with people and show up to them when people were already hurt. So he attacks them. This is merely his sadism showing through and is not related to his desire to be the strongest. We know he would slaughter Hollows and Arrancar that were weaker than him all the time. You seem to be oddly placing a sort of "bushido" or random ideals onto someone who clearly doesn't share them.

Jmoul18 wrote: It wouldn't make him truly be the strongest.

Actually by process of elimination it actually would make him the strongest. You talk of "truly" like he actually cares about that sort of stuff and we can tell from his interactions that he doesn't. He's not mentioned any sort of honour code that you seem to be placing on him like "he should follow this" which is just not realistic.

But in the end if he does take out everyone round him or everyone deemed stronger than him with different or suspicious means by default that makes him the strongest remaining. I don't think Nnoitra shares or cares for your ideals.

Jmoul18 wrote: Based on the limited interactions we see, the other Espada seem to treat him like Nelliel did, no respect and often pity.

Based on what exactly? Who pities him? He bickers with them and nothing more. They all bicker with each other. The only big scene we see him in before he starts looking for Ichigo and his friends is him trying to intimidate Ulquiorra and getting called scum as a result. This isn't pity Ulquiorra doesn't do a lot of nice things to his comrades as he smacked Yammy about when they first arrived in the Human World. So you really have nothing to go on other than Nelliel but she is one person.

Jmoul18 wrote: Nnoitra hates this type of treatment, which is why he's constantly trying to prove his strength. He wants to be truly recognized as the strongest, not as the most underhanded.

See you say this but I don't ever recall a scene of him worrying about what other people might think of his tactics. So citation please?

Jmoul18 wrote: Also, he cheated to beat Nelliel only to give himself time to train so he COULD beat her in a fair fight.

Really is that what he said?? My understanding of that scene was that he was so misogynistic and sadistic that he couldn't handle that a female was stronger than he was. He enjoyed fighting her but not her personality or her sex he couldn't stand these things and in his sadistic mind he wanted to subjugate her.

She humiliated him time and again by defeating him and further by not killing him in the way he wanted. Thus he wanted to punish her. He injured her in hopes of holding her back from training so that in the meantime he could train and easily defeat and humiliate her in the same way he was humiliated by her.

If he really cared about it he wouldn't have brushed it off when she inadvertently turned into a child, which he did he laughed and walked away. There is no fairness at all to underhand tactics and that's what he used to achieve his goals.

You hit someone on the head or injure someone badly on the head, those kind of injuries aren't easy to recover from without permanent consequences so its already not a fair fight. He's also denying her the ability to train, thus again not a fair fight. "Fair" doesn't come into it with him and I have never seen him mention fair or care about it.

Jmoul18 wrote: Also, he cheated to beat Nelliel only to give himself time to train so he COULD beat her in a fair fight.

You do realise the entire hypocrisy of that statement?? He CHEATED so he could win FAIRLY!! No that's not true because if you cheat then its not fair is it??

Jmoul18 wrote: He even stated that when he was throwing her out of Las Noches, and said he regretted that he wouldn't be able to cross swords with Nelliel after she turned into a child.

Because he enjoyed fighting her, he loves fighting, doesn't matter if its fair, she was a great fighter and he could admire her skill. However, he hates her for being female and hates her ethics, they clash with his own. I didn't hear him once relate this to wanting a fair fight with her. As I said above, as soon as you resort to underhanded tactics to win any fight, in the future or otherwise, then its automatically NOT a fair fight. Fair fights are when everything is treated equally. She was not, she was tricked and given a severe head injury. The only way to thus make any fight fair in the future would be to give him an equally severe head injury.

Your thinking is very limited to these ideas that there's only one way to be the strongest among your peers and that's to prove yourself. But this is faulty because eliminating those stronger than you automatically makes you, by default, the strongest. He has never said anything about honour or fairness he just wants to be the best irrespective of how he achieves that which is evident in his actions.