Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner

The Translation Corner is a group of Bleach Wiki users who the task to translate the various names, abilities, techniques and etc. found in the Bleach Universe. Being that Bleach is a Japanese manga that use Japanese, Chinese, Indian, German, Spanish and English language in various instances and cases, the use of translators are a focal point to the continuation of accuracy on the wiki. All users should read our Translation Guidelines before you start translating.

Roles of the Translation Corner
The following are the duties of the corner:


 * 1. To assure the correctness of all translations that are presented on the site.


 * 2. To determine the outcome of Contentious Translations: If a translation is questioned at all, that should be brought up in this section. In this way a translator, committee member or admin can explain why the translation is used or conversation can take place for translations that are harder to classify.


 * 3. To determine the correct translation of Zanpakutō (names, release calls, etc.): This section is for requests for translation of zanpakuto and zanpakuto related translations.


 * 4. To determine the correct translation of Character and element (e.g. devices) names: This section is for requests for translation of characters/techniques/equipment and general key words.


 * 5. To determine the correct translation of General/Other translation issues (e.g. conjugation/miscellanea): This section is for requests about translations that don't fit any particular criteria such as conjugation or such things such as accents used in the names.

Associate Members

 * Adam Restling (Primary Japanese Translator)
 * MarqFJA (Secondary Japanese Translator)
 * Vraieesprit (Japanese to English Translation)

References & Sources

 * Kanji-to-English:
 * Tangorin
 * Mahou Kanji Dictionary
 * Kanji Networks
 * OldNihongo.J-Talk.Com
 * Basic Japanese verbal data: The imperative inflection of Japanese verbs

Associate Box
Ok folks I have finally gotten around to makeing the Associate Box. You can put it on your user page using the command. Below is what the box looks like. Tinni  (Talk)  14:37, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Translation Guidelines

 * Anyone doing any form of translation. Looking up on Google Translate or similar translation tools, is not translating. You are not doing the site any favors by doing amateur translation. Please refrain from using such tools.


 * This is not a conversation page. It is a simple question and answer page for translation. All conversations should be held on a particular user talk page or the talk page of this page.


 * Users should simply place their request and wait for it to be answered. To keep it simple, if the user posting the request has no real understanding of translation, the point is not for you to learn how to translate here. Usage of the page should extend no more then to asking for a translation to be done. Please refrain from badgering the translators for understanding on why a translation is translated a certain way. If you knew anything about translation you wouldn't be asking someone else to do it, therefore it makes no sense to argue with them.


 * If you are not a member of the translation corner, please do not answer translation questions. Leave it to our translators so as to avoid confusion.


 * Admin have the final say on the translation being placed into a article.

Retsu
With the revelation that Unohana's real name is Yachiru, we need to look at the name Retsu. What does it mean and is it a nickname or a middle name. Thanks.--

Retsu (烈) means "violent, fierce, vehement". It always seemed odd to me that such a name would be given to the kindly Unohana (even if she could daunt people with her smile). I wonder if that means that her title was Retsu Kenpachi??? Adam Restling (talk) 17:36, December 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * The Japanese don't use middle names. It's also not a nickname in the Western sense - it was probably given to her on account of her behaviour as Kenpachi. Her real name appears to be Unohana Yachiru, and I know this site dislikes any names other than "real" ones, but if you change her page name and remove Retsu, Salubri, you're going to confuse the fans who don't read the manga. More and more of these kinds of names are coming up in this arc, so probably it's a good time to have a policy on how to deal with them when they do, since they're clearly not cutesy shorts like "Rose" but relevant to the character in some way.Vraieesprit (talk) 23:02, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Shunsui
We were recently given Shunsui's full name as typical in bleach we need to know whats actually a name and whats a nickname or title. We also need to know the proper order of the name. In the chapter it is given as Kyoraku Jiron Souzousa Shunsui. Now in are order im guessing Shunsui Souzousa Jiron Kyoraku would be correct but need more input. Also still need raw.--

The kanji for the names are 京楽 次郎 総蔵佐 春水 (Kyōraku Jirō Sōzōsa Shunsui). I've uploaded the raw page for checking:--EvilDragonLord (talk) 16:10, December 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Kyouraku is his surname, Shunsui is his first name. Jirou 次郎　means second son, Souzousa means either "assistant who conceals all" or "assistant who possesses all." 蔵　Zou can be a storehouse in its alternate reading "kura", but it doesn't make much sense here. It's not really a name designed to be westernised, but if you want to do it it would have to be Shunsui Souzousa Kyouraku (no) Jirou. Kyouraku (no) Jirou is a unit meaning second son of the Kyouraku. The no is never written in kanji. I would expect to see it in the furigana, since it's normally (name) no Jirou, except we don't have any furigana. As cultural information is frowned on here, I will leave it at that, except to say that the lack of furigana also means the translit of 総蔵佐 is based on the most logical readings of the characters.Vraieesprit (talk) 20:11, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think "Sōzō sa " may actually be Sōzō suke : the element 佐 in names is usu. meant to be read -suke, even as are its homophones/nyms-in-this-capacity 介, 助. I think we're a little screwed re: confirmation here, since this appears not in dialogue (where we'd get furigana), but in the letter from Central 46, which is plain "old stationary" Japanese Kanji;  but  this is the common reading in nomenclature, and would seem to make more sense than -sa.

Considering the words of Vraiee et al. above, if we mean to Westernize the order, then I would, in light of the above, suggest Shunsui Sōzōsuke Jirō Kyōraku, reflecting an underlying notion of "Shunsui Sōzōsuke, Jirō [Second Son of the] Kyōraku [family]", even as one could say that a name and order like John Smith is essentially equal to "John of the Smith family".

I hope no one'll argue with this, as it seems to make sense, Western-order wise, and to align nicely as the inverse of the Japanese order, even as such inversion from Kurosaki Ichigo > "Ichigo Kurosaki" works. Nothing is lost, and the intended meaning abides. :) Adam Restling (talk) 23:47, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Kenpachi
Probably best to get a official translation for the name Kenpachi assuming that there is one, the kanji would be 剣八.--

Kenpachi (剣八) means, lit., "sword-eight". I assume that the usage of "eight" in connection is due to its auspicious usage in Sino-Japanese, where it has connotations both of good fortune and, in compounds, vastness/multitude (e.g. the word yao "eight hundred" is also used to = "countless, myriad"). The intended nuance of Kenpachi, then, best I can guess, would then be "august (of) sword" (but this would only be inherent in the proper translation "sword eight". Adam Restling (talk) 17:50, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yachiru Unohana
If what I have is correct, I have found the Kanji for Retsu Unohana's real name (卯ノ花八千流 Unohana Yachiru) and the raw. Thanks in advanced. --Kisukeiscool100396 (talk) 23:39, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

http://i.imgur.com/L2X4R.jpg

Looks correct; thanks for the image :). Fun fact: the Kanji for Yachiru mean "eight thousand flows" or "many flows"; there's the use of "eight" again. If she was the first Kenpachi, maybe it took its augustness (see above, section "Kenpachi") from her. Adam Restling (talk) 17:57, December 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * I wonder about this.I thought the same as you, but it bothered me a bit since 流 is usually read "ryuu" when it's "flow" or even "school" as in school of sword styles. In Unohana's name it is read as "ru", and this reading has the additional meaning of "exile". Vraieesprit (talk) 22:50, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Ch. 520: Zaraki learning "Art of Killing", and Central 46's objections
Can we get confirmation on whether "Art of Killing" is simply a literal attempt at translating Zanjutsu's kanji? Also, the second part of the Central 46 guy's objection to Zaraki being taught that -- the part where he references Yamamoto's own previous attempt; does the sentence structure imply that Yamamoto realized the same fear of Kenpachi getting too strong, or is it phrased like it's a separate reason (and thus implying that he stopped because it proved too difficult)? MarqFJA (talk) 01:26, December 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * This actually is a side point but the art of killing is essentially the informal or rough way of saying the martial arts of japan what they call Budo. So its likely supposed to correspond to the arts the shinigami themselves use.--


 * Nice fact. Still, Zanjutsu's kanji literally translate into "art of killing/cutting" (the first kanji can mean "to cut" or "to kill"), so I'm wondering if someone is doing a too-literal interpretation of the line here. MarqFJA (talk) 01:42, December 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Adam will probably tell you this too. Zanjutsu　斬術 is a commonly used term in the manga, but it's not a real word in Japanese. It usually refers to sword skills with the zanpakutou - the zan in zanpakutou 斬魄刀　being the same as the zan in zanjutsu. Just like Budou is martial arts by combining the bu of military with the dou of way or method, this is combining the zan of zanpakutou with the jutsu of skill or technique. I think it safe to say that the term has been overtranslated by someone who isn't familiar with normal Bleach terminology.Vraieesprit (talk) 20:21, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

^ What Vraiee said (and Marq guessed) exactly: we've already established the usage of Zanjutsu, just as we have Kidō etc. so it's better to keep this, and not the overly translated form. Not unless we wanna start calling, say, Byakuya by the last name "Rot-tree", for starters XD.

As for the phrasing of the part of Yamamoto's abandoned attempt, I guess we wait for a raw; I remember Zaraki saying something about it during the Nnoitra (?) fight, but I'm not sure where and what. Adam Restling (talk) 21:50, December 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * The raw can be found here and the remark is made on page 14, bottom panel. Blackstar1 (talk) 21:55, December 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * 元柳斎が奴に剣を教えようとした時も一日でやめるよう仕向けたのを忘れたか？
 * Genryuusai ga yatsu ni ken o oshieyou to shita toki mo ichinichi de yameru you shimuketa no o wasureta ka?


 * Have you forgotten how Genryuusai, when he tried to teach that guy to use his sword, took the decision to stop after just one day?


 * It doesn't really answer whether he did it because it was too hard or because it was too dangerous, but in context with the prior statement about the risk of not being able to control Kenpachi in the "one in 10,000" likelihood he revolted, I would say he considered it a risk.


 * Also, I think Adam's right that something was said during the Nnoitra fight. Wasn't that Kenpachi talking about being taught Kendou, though? If this is being taught zanjutsu, can we then assume this is Shunsui wanting to teach him how to use his zanpakutou as a spiritual entity? I don't have the Nnoitra chapter in raw so that might need doublechecking by someone who does.Vraieesprit (talk) 22:38, December 14, 2012 (UTC)