Forum:Future Antagonists

Hey guys. I was wondering about this since Aizen may be dying soon. Kubo said that another Arc was starting after the current one, and one thing that popped into my mind first was 'Who is going to be the next Antagonist?' I'm thinking we may finally see Vasto Lorde, since they haven't played a significant part in the story yet. What do you guys think?--Moe1216 18:33, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Considering that the current arc is due to finish round about now, I don't think he'll be departing for a while; there'll be no time to give him a proper send-off. Plus the recent entry into Soul Society gives him plenty more plot revolving around him. As for next antagonist, should one be required, maybe VL, maybe Hell based (I did see Nnoitrax's post to HuecoMuffin as to what'll happen in future; interesting...) I really can't say.

Forgot to sign. Oops. TomServo101 (Talk)  19:15, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

You're probably right. For all we know he could use his hypnosis powers on the Zero Divison and have them fight the Gotei 13 and Ichigo's group.--Moe1216 19:21, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

I would personally hope for somebody new after Aizen, but I doubt they'll finish him in this arc. It IS possible to kill him and just kind of extend the last two chapters, it would be kind of a slap in the face for Kubo to do but he could also end up completely shut down by the Zero Squad and we're left awe struck on how easily somebody else beat him for a change. That's right, maybe it's possible that Aizen could get Kensei'd ON SCREEN before showing off any amazing abilities...I've seen it happen before (like with Grand Fisher, he powers himself up and everything then he's killed like it wasn't no big thang) and in other series (like for example in a series there is a central antagonist that is causing everybody problems and he's just gained a new power, but all of the sudden a new group or an individual shows up and completely pwns him...thus ending his part in the story and all of the sudden everybody is in complete shock as to this happening).

Now I doubt there aren't going to be ANY new antagonists, I mean come on the way Kubo makes it sound this series has a few years left on it. We can expect people from the Royal Dimension, Hell, so on and so forth...Vasto Lordes. Even if Aizen stays as the main antagonist, there's no way Kubo can write 2 more arcs based on his assault on the Royal Dimension...that would just kind of drag out honestly. TVthePunisher 22:58, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hell was only touched upon one time. I say it needs a little more love. Ratiqu 01:52, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I agree Ratiqu, but how?--Moe1216 03:26, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

What if there are Quincy's left other than the two we know of and they attack the Soul Society?

I think that Urahara is a possibility for a future antagonist (he is my fav) simply because he is extremly shady and is probably hiding something. i dont really know how to explain it, but i just get this feeling that either he is in team with aizen or is acting of his own accord, as in, him and Aizen are just acting to be against each other to decieve everyone, and then his true colours will be shown OR him and Aizen are in "team" but when the time comes maybe Kisuke will have no further use for Aizen. i think it'd be a really good turn of events because Urahara would bring some comedy and wit to an antagonist role. i'll post the reasons why i think this a bit later on, i am going to read up a bit to get all my reasons completly smoothed out a bit so it'll hopefully make some sence.TrancedKuja 20:01, June 9, 2010 (UTC) TrancedKuja

^ And this, students, is a perfect example of what is known as "crack theory". Note the part where there isn't any evidence, but it would be really cool if it happened.

My friend, you may want to take a good look at the "Turning Back the Pendulum" arc-thingy. Eps 206-212 or chapters -108 to -97 (between 315 and 316). Aizen nearly killed several friends/comrades of Urahara's, as well as framing him for those crimes, and successfully got Urahara exiled out of Captainship. If that wasn't enough, several friends of his (namely Yoruichi, i think, and some of the Vizard too) are against Aizen.

Sorry for the sarcasmness, but this kinda thing angers me at times. Ratiqu 20:27, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

could someone explain the "arc ending" deal because the way i see things all we knew was that the current arc would end mid 2010 and as of this last chapter (deicide 9) the story has moved from Fake Karakura Town in the human world to Soul Society and the real version therefore the FKT arc is now over. there is no reason that Aizen will die.Wolfwood (Shoot)  20:37, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I guess a better way to say this is instead of wondering who is possibly the next villian in the next arc, a better way to ask is "who is going to take Aizen's place after he is defeated?" I mean yeah the new arc may start with Aizen still alive, but that's not the point of the conversation. It's more about who will become the next great threat and if possible, will they be able to make even Kyoraku use Bankai!? LMAO. But seriously, it's just more about future threats.--Moe1216 12:51, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

If there's gonna be another antagonist after Aizen, logically speaking, the Vasto Lorde are next on the list. If not, then the only other candidate would have to be the Soul Society. Again. Uranak555 16:51, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Who then? Pretty much everyone in Soul Society capable of having the presence/power to be antagonists are either a)already introduced (the captains, in other words) or b) dead (Central 46). While that leaves 0 Division and upwards, I doubt Kubo'd go for the 'Soul King is actually the bad guy' approach when he has plenty of other options. Just seems a little 'clutching at straws' to me.

I could be wrong, of course, and will hold my hands up if that's the case. TomServo101 (Talk)  17:15, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

You have a point TomServo101, it would be unwise if Kubo used the SS as a source of an antagonist again. Plus Uranak555 said the Vasto Lorde, and it would be even better if those Vasto Lorde became Arrancar.--Moe1216 20:00, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Let's do a villain re-cap; first off, there was the time when regular hollows, especially Menos Grande were an actual threat, with the anime setting up Grand Fisher as the chief villain, implying that he Hollowfied Sora and sent other hollows after Ichigo, in addition to being the killer of Masaki and more or less either the toughest/cruelest Hollow Ichigo faced by then, other than Shrieker and Menos Grande. Later on, the role of "Big Bad" went to Uryu Ishida, acting as a natural "white" Quincy archer rival to "black" Shinigami swordsman Ichigo. During this whole Hollow Tournament thing, the two are quickly forced into helping one another as the hordes of hollows soon overwhelm Karakura Town, leading to the arrival of Menos Grande, implied by Rukia to have been the toughest hollow among all, at least to those below lieutenant level, and was soon driven off by Ichigo. This incident would not only put Ichigo and Uryu on slightly friendlier terms at the time, but also draw the Soul Society's attention, leading to Central 46 sending out Captain Byakuya Kuchiki and Lieutenant Renji Abarai to successfully retrieve Rukia. After regaining his own set of shinigami powers, Ichigo mounted a rescue attempt with Inoue, Sado, Shihoin and Ishida, essentially making the Soul Society as the "Big Bad", chief among them being Byakuya and Gin Ichimaru. Turns out, the supposedly dead Captain Aizen was the mastermind behind the entire event, assassinating and masquerading as the Central 46 into capturing Rukia, as well as being theone that sent Fishbone D and Menos Grande to "toughen" Ichigo up, as it were.

After that, it was all about taking Aizen down, so virtually every villain that popped up is in some way connected to him, from the Espada to his fellow ex-captains, the sole exceptions being Hollow Ichigo and the Vasto Lorde. Krone8 02:00, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

That Kubo has a villian appear right after another one is beaten? Sorry, but I'm not following--Moe1216 03:01, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

That bleach has a story?--God (Pray)  03:24, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

I'll rephrase by saying this; Aizen's too integrated into the main storyline for there to be any other "big" villain to take his place, but Kubo's surprised us plenty of times before, so I stand by what Uranak said earlier; it'll either be the Vasto Lorde, the Soul Society or Hollow Ichigo. Krone8 03:55, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Makes sense.--Moe1216 04:17, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Let's say Hollow Ichigo replaces Aizen as the "Big Bad" - what then? Uranak555 18:12, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

About who's going to be the future antagonist it MIGHT be Grimmjow.Some people think that he died but that's not true.And he may return stronger.Who knows?

Oh,and I forgot something.Some of you guys say that the future antagonist may be Hollw Ichigo.If he is what is going to happen to Ichigo.Isn't he going to be a bit weak without his Hollow Mask?

I never thought of that. What if Grimmjow does return? Will he be a part of new group of Espada or just be by himself? Will he become stronger? Man I want to know! It would be brutally epic if Grimmjow somehow became a Vasto Lorde and started up another group of Espada (though that is extremely unlikely).--Moe1216 03:21, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Grimmjow's honorable, so there's a chance he might repay Ichigo for saving his life, but considering how much he HATES Ichigo, there's an equal chance he'll either just ignore the repaying the debt part and go after Ichigo again, or try to get a shot at him while helping him. No one knows for sure. Krone8 03:49, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Uhm. Moe's first.

Let's make something clear, here. Grimmjow is an Arrancar now. He is no longer simply a Hollow, which means there is literally no possible way for him to become a Vasto Lorde. Vasto Lordes become Arrancar, not the other way around.

Unless you're referring to how he was made into an Arrancar as an Adjuchas, which is still unclear to me. Either way, Vasto Lorde is not a relevant term here.

Now at Krone: Grimmjow doesn't hate Ichigo. It's more like how Zaraki considers him: (somewhat grudging) respect for an awesome opponent. Also, I think he'd be more pissed at Nnoitra than grateful to Ichigo.

For everyone, now: the Espada were more powerful than the Vasto Lorde. Otherwise Aizen wouldn't have bothered to use the Hogyoku on them. Also, there aren't hardly going to be any left anyway. Aizen barely managed to dredge up 5 to become Espada (since Grim was an Adjuchas, after all), and it more than likely takes several decades for one to develop.

Sorry, no new actual input, just corrections and such... Ratiqu 23:22, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Aside from Gantenbainne, Grimmjow and Nelliel, every other Espada is dead. There's not much the Arrancar can do, now that Aizen's doing everything on his own from here on out. With everythign Aizen's done up to this point, it's gonna be hard for some other person to take his place as a villain. Krone8 00:23, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yammy is still alive too. Yyp  (Talk) 12:22, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Ratiqu- we have no idea which espada if any were vasto lorde but you are correct in saying they are no longer players in this--God (Pray)  00:35, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

I can't see any of the surviving Arrancar coming back as villians, sure they can still play a role as support characters but they're not going to be a major threat if any kind of threat from now on. I think Hollow Ichigo has a much better chance of becoming the next villian, not as a separate entity but still inside Ichigo, ya know? He becomes his worst enemy or something along those lines. Prophet of Sanghelios

Some interesting claims being made on this thread. I know that hollows becoming Arrancars increases a hollow's power but I don't recall ever hearing it mentioned that becoming one forbids a Menos from upgrading to the next Menos class. Can anybody verify this with an actual reference? Great Cthulhu 07:01, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

I went back and read up on the Hollow and Arrancar pages and it didn't say anything against Arrancar being able to evolve. I believe all that it said was that an adjuchas and a vasto lorde must continue to eat other hollows or else they will regress back and be unable to return to their advanced form. Plus, Yyp is right. Yammy, unfortunately, is alive and still fighting Kenpachi and Byakuya. I doubt we'll see the end of that before Aizen is beaten, because the story is focusing more on the battle between the Kurosakis and Aizen.--Moe1216 02:30, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Well i don't think that there will be a new villain after aizen. It just feels like to much hype and material has been put into Aizens character to have him be defeated suddenly and then have a new villain replace. I'm sorry but i just can't imagine a villain more badass than aizen right now. Also, its been nearly ten years of bleach and all this time aizen has been viewed by pretty much everyone as the primary antagonist of the series. This is because allthough he was not the immidiate main villain in the very beginning of the story, the events that involve Ichigo and his friends have occured because of HIM. Aizen recently revealed that pretty much everything that had happened to Ichigo up untill that point was his doing. He's been doing the classic 'Manipulate the hero from the shadows' ploy. Also aizen told Ichigo that hes known about him since he was born. Maybe the short arc thats coming up will be another past arc like turn back the pendelum but this time focusing on Ichigo's true origins and how aizen came to learn of him. That means that aizen can't be dying soon. Also i would hate to see aizen die before we even got to see the final stages of his plan go into action. Somehow making the kings key, Invading the royal demension and thus giving us insight on the zero squad and soul king who would try to stop aizens invasion. I don't mean to push my idea's on anyone else but im just going with the most logical outcome by looking at the info that Kubo has presented us in the story so far. Of course this could all change if Kubo decides to throw another suprise in our faces. I don't mean to sound oppresive but a tiny few of your ideas sound a little far-fetched. But we're all entitled to our opinions. Vandiir (talk) 02:37, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

u guys make the Vasto lorde sound like one king hollow its an evolution of the menos class and im pretty sure atleast Stark and Barragan were Vasto's bc in there flashbacks they look very human before aizen turned them into arrancar and the main characteristics of Vasto's are that they look humanoid. I dont think Aizen is goin to be replaced when he dies i think the series will end when he dies bc hes been running things from behind the scenes since day one so technically he has been the villain from the get go its not like DBZ where every villain just kind of shows up Aizen has been the real villain from the get go (repetitive i no) Coyotestark (talk) 00:13, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

I can understand why many people think Aizen will be the only villian. I myself find at times the idea of any other villian showing up unlikely, aside from Gin. The whole plot up to now has been focusing on Aizen and unless someone is pulling his strings, which is incredibly unlikely, the story will end with his death and we will never get to see the Bankai of the other Captains, learn the name Kenpachi's zanpakuto, the origin of Yachiru's name (the previous two could be revealed while fighting Yammy), Vasto Lorde, the Zero Division, and a whole bunch of other things. :'(--Moe1216 (talk) 04:44, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

hollow ichigo
I don't think that hollow ichigo's gonna be the next majore treat.If he seperates somehow from Ichigo, Ichigo's gonna lose all his hollow powers including his mask and he'll be a lot weaker

Well How bout The King of soul society????.Maybe the real king is been replaced or something like that

Silence with the crack theories! Also, spelling and grammar people! LintMint 13:16, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

just to bring it back to the current arc, i just read the latest chapter (spoiler alert) and matsumoto appears at the end and says: I made Aizen, Gin. when i read this i was all like say what!? matsumoto is involved with aizen! wtf!? so now i'm wondering what she'a got to do with it so any thoughts?

Futile Separation 09:17, July 8, 2010 (UTC)Futile_Separation


 * Yes, actually...I re-read the chapter having already convinced myself that she said "I made it" but I always like to doublecheck, because proof is a necessity. Well, she did say "I made" but she ended it with..."it", which only means that she arrived in the nick of time...to probably prevent Kanoji and Tatsuki from meeting death or...to catch Gin and MAYBE cause something there between him and Aizen. But she didn't say..."I made Aizen, Gin" as in she slept with them or...created them...she said "I made it". ^_^; there ya go bud. TVthePunisher 09:27, July 8, 2010 (UTC)