Forum:Hitsugaya's fate

Alright, so we prevent his Talk Page from being crowded by this debate, I moved Hitsugaya's fate debate from his Talk Page to here. Discuss what you want here, but remember that the wikia's official stance on this is that Hitsugaya's fate is unknown and he is not confirmed to be dead. Arrancar109 17:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Hitsugaya was SLICED IN HALF
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8980/355c.jpg Thunderwitch 00:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

The point that you say is his right leg, could possibly be part of his sash. Thats not conclusive. Also you can't say in 'half', more accurate would be his right side. Just as a question, why did you feel it necessary to point out that his sword was broken in the process? Zenpaki 02:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

The is no way that that can be his sash because if you look right above the word cut, you will see his sash is quite close to the tip of Hyorinmaru's blade. I believe that that's his foot. ---Klross1.

Zenpaki, you are hilarious!! Your joking right? I sure hope so lol. It doesn't matter if I pointed out his sword, all I did was circle it. Thats not his sash, his sash is close to the tip of his blade. Thats all, take a chill pill buddy.Thunderwitch 09:34, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm chill, I think I was misunderstood and thats cool. Was just saying from where I'm looking, I can't tell if its part of the ice or if its part of his belt/sash. I was just asking about the sword because it wasn't truly necessary to say that he was cut into two pieces with though it does add to the whole, he is severly wounded and possibly dying. Zenpaki 21:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Just examined more closely and now I see it. Though I'm still not sure what that could be possibly part of his leg or some thrown ice. Either way...damn. Zenpaki 00:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

http://www.mangatoshokan.com/read/bleach/1/355/19 She split him in two. Look closely and you will see it.Thunderwitch 09:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

TomServo101 10:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)==I sense a disturbance in the fandom== A pretty BIG wound inflicted on young Toshiro. I can only imagine what the fangirls are thinkin' now. D: Kaihedgie 07:15, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'm gonna be honest here. Guys, unless it looks conclusive, and trust me, IT DOES NOT, please do NOT state that Hitsugaya is dead. Right now, he is "dead" in the sense of Grimmjow, Loly, Menoly, and Rudobon: heavily wounded, yet no hard evidence to indicate that he's dead. Sorry, but that really needed to be said. Arrancar109 07:21, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * ok how about incapacitated Fawcettp 07:25, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I hope he's not dead.He's my 3rd favorite captain(Komamura,Than Shunsui.)

gohanRULEZ 07:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * So far all we can say is that he is seeimingly [heavily or seriously] wounded. WhiteStrike 08:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

No one could survive that blow and guys, he has a kid's body. There is no way he could survive that. Kaihedgie 22:31, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Even if the wound is fatal others have been healed from worse. Orihime has healed people from worse than that, effectively Orihime can 'reject' death so pretty much noone on the Shimigami side will die as I can see it. You are basing your conclusion on 'real life' logic. Its obviously not real and anything can happen. Also the slash would not have hit any major organs, so Toshiro, if he beat a retreat could possibly get healing. Look at the Vice-Captains right now. They are being healed and Rangiko is missing almost all of her stomuch/urinary tract. Obviously showing they can heal such injuries. Zenpaki 00:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, there is a possibility that the wound could be healed but the only people that have that type of power that we know are Retsu Unohana and Orihime Inoue, both of them are trapped in Hueco Mundo. ---Klross1.

More excuses. XD Those guys are already filled up tryin' to better Rangiku's condition. Sure, she suffered a clean blow through the torso area, but her injury isn't as severe as Toshiro's as he lost pretty much half of his body. No one lives through that, especially with the severe blood loss to follow Kaihedgie 00:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Again...real life logic >.<.....Also...if they are 'souls' how the hell do they bleed? Or for that matter take damage? Just to point out your own use of real life logic. If these was following a logically path, toshiro would have passed out after the slash and not uttered what the hell.

People in the Soul Society also fall ill to diseases as with Ukitake and his tuberculosis. Everything in the Soul Society still follows the rules of the human realm. It is just that everything in the SS is spiritual. That doesn't mean they can't bleed though. Also, people can die there, too. In short, it isn't heaven, just passing on to the next world and living a new life. Kaihedgie 02:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

See thats where its difference from real life....Possibly cause none of us could know. I just gonna say for all intensive purposes that here when someone dies, their dead. Theres not some army of Shimigami above us and people don't suffer fatal wounds only to be healed moments later. We also don't even know if Toshiro really got hit. Have you taken that into consideration? Theres the possiblity that he performed a Flash Step just as Yoruichi did against Byukuha. (Forgive the spelling of their names.) Though, its a theory and albeit a bad one as Toshiro hasn't shown that much prowess with Flash Steps. Also, there could be the possiblity that his bankai allows him to form body parts out of ice, sealing his wounds and keeping him alive. Zenpaki 03:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Now you're just in denial. I thought this was gonna happen. XD Afterimages and ice don't bleed. And Toshiro didn't even see the blow coming until it was too late, so it's impossible for him to have avoided it, even with a Flash Step. Kaihedgie 03:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Note I said bad theories. Theres no denial, I just don't think the author will kill off Toshiro. He may injure him horribly...as he's done repeatedly through out the series. (Seriously Toshiro has been nearly killed at least three times.) Also the ice thing...I was just saying that he would reproduce a part of his body out of ice, while doing so the replacement wouldn't be effective as his real arm, but it would at least stop the bleeding. Another bad theory...Toshiro seems extremely close to his sword and while not exactly canon, what if he merged his his zanpakuto like the villian in the Sealed Sword Frenzy OVA? Considering that almost every time a character switches forms. (Unleashing Bankai/resurrection/hollow state...etc. I'm sure the captians have more tricks up their selves.  Who knows one of them might release a healing type.  though thats doubtful.

It is true that Toshiro has had many close calls with death, but none have ever been this bad. He was almost cut in half by Aizen but he has actually been cut in half this time. Just because he has a lot of fans does not mean that he can't be killed off or that Tite Kubo won't write him off. Ulquiorra had many fans just like Toshiro does but he is currently deceased. ---Klross1.

Only Unohana and Hanataro are the only known Soul Reapers with such Zanpaktou, but they're too busy with Rangiku, Shuhei and Izuru. Unlike Ichigo, Toshiro has no Hollow or anything like that to save him and Soifon stated that everyone is fighting without their limit placed on them. The thing is, no character has sustained this lethal of an injury before. The only ones who still have something to show off are Soifon, Ukitake, Shunsui and Yamamoto. Kaihedgie 03:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm gonna say to agree to disagree. Neither of us are going to back down and I'm pretty sure Toshiro received worse during his fight with Shawlong, though they weren't as focused, I am pretty sure the same could be said when he was struck by Aizen. I just thought of something else. Yama-whatever, guy with the peacock zanpakuto, he drains the power of others, then eats the petals produced to heal his injuries. Not sure to what extent, but he could possibly have spares and give them to Toshiro, seeing that keeping the captains and vice captains alive is more important than his pride. I don't remember him being wounded by Allon, if I'm wrong I'll go reread to find it.


 * Nonsense. Firstly, Yumichika was knocked down by Izuru when he went all crazy after Ikkaku's defeat. And I seriously doubt he'd give his flowers to anyone else. It's part of his pride, and if dying wasn't more important than his pride, surely saving Hitsugaya wouldn't be either. Besides, as an 11th division member, he knows better than stepping into someone else's battle. But leaving all of that aside, he's unconscious... somewhere. Lia Schiffer 05:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Some1's in denail :P....1st off toshiro is 1 of the weakest captains...my opinion....and seriously...he got cut in half....no1 can survive that...Noitora died aftr a few cuts, frm kenpachi.....and seriosly...yumichka,heling toshiro??? hav u been watchin bleach...he doesn't wanna show any1 his zampakto....he hides it with evrythin he's got....and he's in ZAraki's squad....and they dont help, or wanna be helped by any1...they wud rather die...as shown plenty of times....so that theory will NOT work...as for merging with his zampakto...u said it u'r self....it was done in an OVA...NOT THE main story...so i doubt that...and Byakuya's flash step was thought to him by Yorovichi a 100 yrs ago...I seriously doubt Toshiro knows about it....and he's not the best flash step user in the S.S either...but saying all that..this is bleach..they nev kill the "good guys", so i wouldn't be suprised if he did survive...but hopefully, he'll die...cause its not much of a story if all the "good guys" live and all the "bad guys" die... AlienGamer Talk

I agree with all that you said, I just doubt that he'll die, I have one correction though. He wasn't cut in half, he only lost his arm and part of his chest. Nnorita was almost cut in half by the way, from his head all the way through the groin, Toshiro's wound is no where near that level of fatality. His cut missed any major organs and veins. At most he lost a kidney. Zenpaki20:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Here's the thing though: Nnoitra wasn't dismembered when he was cut down by Kenpachi. Kaihedgie 04:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Rhysno1 17:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)i agree that it seems unlikely he will die but the injury is too severe and seeing as that(as far as we know) none of the 4th squad are there so that makes things difficult also it would help if we knew what side the vizard were on because i reckon hachi could heal him theres my theory that hachi will heal him or his zanpakuto will "evolve" somehow?

Evolve? Absolutely unlikely. Whenever a Soul Reapr nears death, their Zanpaktou reverts back to its sealed state if the user was usin' Shikai or Bankai. Kaihedgie 17:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

no i ment like he has a chat with his zanpakuto and his power level greatly increases and something epic happens

It Can't Happen. It is impossible. It doesn't work that way. Hitsugaya isn't like Ichigo, who gets off real lucky. You're confusin' Soul Reapers with Saiyans. And I seriously doubt you can get a power boost out of gettin' half of your body gettin' sliced clean off. Kaihedgie 17:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Rhysno1 18:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Red ice seems like a cool idea strengthened with his spirit energy that'd make a superb attack(p.s im not saying it will happen im saying it'd be cool if it did)

Perhaps but, still unlikely. I mean, any excuses of him comin' back are pretty useless.

I know you're only thinkin'/suggestin', but let's look at the situation here:

Halibel is the Tereca Espada. She's the third/fourth strongest Arrancar under Aizen's command. Releasin' her Zanpaktou has given her a tremendous power boost, at the level of Neliel's and/or probably much higher. Toshiro, despite bein' a child prodigy, is still so young. He can only muster so much. His entire right side has been cleaved off seconds before he even realizes he's been cut. Not only that, but his zanpaktou was also sliced off in the process as well.

Yes, Ichigo's zanpaktou was cut down to a mere hilt, but he was still ready and willing. Ichigo has survived his most dangerous encounters because of his Hollow powers and Hollow mask. Had it not been for them, he would have died long ago.

Main characters, protagonist and antagonist alike, have often been cut down when their shoulder(s) were targeted. Despite being killed, they are never shown bein' visibly dismembered from the blow. Toshiro here, has been struck in the same area. But instead of blood just simply splurting from the wound, the whole thing comes right off. So how can anyone propose that Hitsugaya will survive, let alone, receive any random power boosts from a wound much more fatal than the finishing blow that Nnoitra received. Kaihedgie 18:39, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Kaihedgie, I am becoming increasingly aware that you are slightly biased toward Toshiro dying. Also, his wound is not as fatal as the one Nnoitra received...Nnoitra's finishing blow literally cut him through the middle, presumably slicing away at his brain and most of his internal organs. To say that his wound is in anyway less fatal than Toshiro's is a gross equivalent. The only possible way that Toshiro's is more fatal is blood loss, but as we've seen, Soul Reapers bleed buckets without dying and faiting from blood loss is extremely rare. Only shown three times both captains. (Toshiro 2x and The Canine captian. (Again sorry, I am bad with names, I like reading the series, but I'm not at the point of knowing them all by name.) Both also recovered very quickly.  Though this is the first time in the series that a captain has lost a body part, excluding the head of the science department. Zenpaki 23:05, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Also I'd kindly ask you to stop insulting and/or saying other peoples theories are impossible, the entire manga is impossible. The reality of our true knowledge of the characters and possiblities is that we are like infants compared to the writer. What he writes is the final say, we can only presume. If he wanted by the end of the series Kenpachi could be as gentle as a kitten and there could be several yaoi/yori moments through out it. Anything is possible and a stage past bankai may be likely. However, it is doubtful it will happen. Zenpaki 23:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not bein' biased. I just don't see anythin' that could possibly save Toshiro. It's nigh-impossible to heal such a serious wound unless you're Orihime. I'm just inferrin' to the image posted on this page. I mean, if Kubo was gonna make some kinda ridiculous power for Toshiro to use, he would have done so long ago, but the odds are heavily stacked against him this time. If he won't die from the shock of it, he'll surely die from the blood loss.

I'm just sayin'; all these theories about Toshiro makin' a comeback seems highly improbable/ridiculous. Like I said, Toshiro isn't Ichigo, whose gotten lucky a number of times. These are the problems with said theories:

It's very much made clear that Bankai is the final release and the first word 'ban' means final in this context.

Fusing with one zanpaktou can be considered pretty dangerous as it is an unnatural transformation of the body. In addition, Hyorinmaru was destroyed in the process. Both of these theories go out the window because zanpaktou revert back to normal upon nearing death.

I'm not shooting down theories for the sake of just doin' it or bein' biased, I just don't see how he's gonna get bailed out of this. Just bein' honest. Kaihedgie 23:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

All very true, well we did forget some other points though. Instead of making the theories earlier stated, we forgot that the Vizards are assumedly heading for the battle. Hacigen, if the name is spelled right, is stated as a kido master and having abilities similar to Orihime's. This would be the most likely scenario for him not dying. Also the scale would tip in favor of the shimigami, assuming that the vizards fight for them and not Aizen. Though this could all be part of Aizen's plan and he could have something set up that would negate their influence. (He's Aizen, he always has something.)

I'm just gonna throw out a half baked idea to vent mostly. Ice can function as a prism, so in theory, Hitsugaya could have created a hologram-like illusion with tiny ice particles. Halibel didn't physically move in to cut him, so an elaborate deception like this is possible.

Dun't mean to shoot anyone down but, I repeat: Hitsugaya did NOT see the slash comin'. He only realized seconds too late he was struck down. Also, ice and afterimages don't bleed. Kaihedgie 04:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Hitusgaya is not a character that killed off at this point in time. Both he and his zanpakuto are the most popular in the series. Plenty of characters have had a "No way they're surviving that!" moment at the end of a chapter, yet are back next week still kicking (if barely). It takes a blow to the head or the heart to kill anyone in Bleach. If he can't save himself, someone else will. Cue timely arrive of the Urahara staff, the Vizard, or maybe even Ichigo's father. Place your bets now folks. TwinMask 23:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I got 1000 on the Vizards. Lol, but honestly we have no clue whats gonna happen and the reveal is only 3 days away so might as well chill out for now. Zenpaki 00:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Thought how did his body get seperated that way? Before anyone says he got cut in half. Look at the travel through Toshiro's body. It starts off going down and curving slightly inward. The seperated portion is then thrown a distance away and the cut is traveling in a different direction. This could be a possible statement to just how fast Halibel is, not slashing him once, but twice. Zenpaki 00:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Different direction? How can you tell? TomServo101 10:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

That could be true (emphasize could) seeing as how she did use two movements. One, when she slashed through the water and two, when she swung up. ---Klross1.