Forum:Anime Canon

On each page that mentions The Bount arc, it describes the arc as not canon at all. In reality, the Bount arc, unlike The New Captain Shūsuke Amagai arc and Zanpakutō Unknown Tales arc, is part of anime canon. I suggest explaining this in articles mentioning the events of the Bount Arc. Orangeitis (talk) 02:15, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

We don't differentiate between "anime canon" and "manga canon" on this site. Here, "canon" is constituted only by the material that Tite Kubo personally produces, i.e. the manga. He had nothing to do with the creation of the Bount arc, as that was filler material made to buy time for him to work on the Hueco Mundo arc. The Bount arc happened in the anime's continuity, but it is not present at all in the manga. Some of the events in the anime were even changed from how they were in the manga, like when the three mod souls tried to help Kon get away from Grand Fisher - it's a contradiction. That's why we use those labels, to indicate that it does not follow the manga's continuity. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  02:21, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

But going by the logic that only Tite's work counts, even in the anime, anything but the animation frames that were direct copies of manga pages count as "canon", and the animation between such frames are filler as well. Even down to the colors of frames that originally were in only black and white then should not be treated as canon. Also, contradictions in the anime should not be blamed on who the author of the material is. Tite himself makes contradictions from time to time within the manga.

The existence of such scenes as with the Grand Fisher and the Bount arc modsouls are direct reasons to consider the anime as it's own important canon as well. Those such scenes alter the anime's continuity different enough from the manga canon that I feel that acknowledgement should be noted.

What I'm suggesting is a fair treatment of all material of the Bleach franchise, acknowledging all canons of it, even if they aren't the "main canon". Orangeitis (talk) 02:33, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Ok this is a pointless argument. On this site it was decided how we would handle the manga and anime content. The point is attributed the manual of style and anime policy. There is no point of discussion here as the content written and drawn by Kubo himself the manga always takes precedent over the anime which is attributed to other people. Having the name Bleach on them does not signify it being canon material as on this site canon is material made by Kubo that follows a continuity. It is not stuff made by others using elements created by Kubo with the name Bleach on it. Any other issues are rightly provided by anime policy. This is the case and point for the admin and committee on this point. Either you can be on board with that or not. No one is forced to be here. There are plenty of sites where your points can be made realizations and there are plenty of sites that already engage in exactly what you propose. To be completely clear any attempt as you have previously made on the site pages to remove information is considered vandalism and will result in actions to prevent you from further damaging the site.--Salubri (Talk)  02:45, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry, no one here is intending to damage this site.

Sorry, but I do not understand your logic. While Tite is the creator of the Bleach franchise, he isn't the only one keeing it alive. He isn't even the sole maker of the manga, from what I understand - he has assistants to draw in backgrounds and color front pages, for instance. Regardless, Bleach is a franchise, not a manga. I find it very unprofessional to ignore important elements of such a franchise in what supposed to be an informative and quality wiki.

Never heard of this "Anime policy" you mentioned, so I'm assuming it's a site-exclusive thing. I suggest changing it from the very oppinionated "manga takes precident" view to a more indiscriminatory, logical approach to the various canons of the Bleach franchise. Please let your readers judge what they accept, rather than make a site-wide dis-continuity rule. Orangeitis (talk) 03:05, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Im sorry your under the impression that outside views dictate the way this site runs. While you may consider your point universal its an opinion and yours alone. If you have issue with you dont have to frequent the site. we will have so many people stating only manga should be featured or ignorant people stating that only anime counts and everything in-between. All these groups attempt to dictate content content from the status of characters and out and out vandalism so no we will not be initiating concepts developed by you that would insist on destabilizing the site. We have had constant vandalism based on inaccurate information brought on by people thinking anime information constitutes a reason to disorganize information. As someone who doesn't edit here you wouldnt know what users have to deal with but you would think you had to right to dictate how we do things. For your information Both anime and manga are presented here in detail and more information is given on bleach here then anywhere online. People can choose to freely read all the information so we are providing very much. Your proposal is based on ignorance and adds nothing to the site. Also for your information Bleach is a manga and constitutes itself as such. Having spawned a media franchise doesn't change that fact, if you knew what you were talking about you would know that. Thats like saying Lord of the rings stops being a novel because theres games and movies. You have no reference to provide your insinuations of Tite Kubo as well as insinuating that he really doesn't create Bleach, which is what you insinuate when you disregard him and your comments have no place on this site neither does your total disrespect for the work done here and those that made it possible. --Salubri (Talk)  03:38, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

just barging in
Hi Salubri & Orange, I read this discussion and I would have to agree to what Salubri say however, this problem arise which I think theres no proper summarization of anime arcs in regards of manga's chapters. If there were summary of anime's arc in reference to which chapters are made I dont think this problem would arise because the summary will clearly state there the Bount arc has no chapters reference. The detail pages on each episode is great however at least to say deserved good credits. http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Chapters#suggestion_add_chapters_-_arcs_sequence.3F check this out all for improvement of the site. Regards. Soulreaper1234 (talk) 03:17, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

That would help, Soulreaper1234, but I feel that it does not address the true issue here. The anime episodes/scenes/whatevers that were originally based on mange material, in the anime, are not the same continuity as their manga counterparts. This site is trying to shoehorn manga continuity into the anime, and forcibly disregard exclusive elements of the anime's own continuity.

We should consider everything if we want this wiki to be professional and impartial. For all we know, Jidanbō's brothers weren't turncoats in the anime, for instance. Assuming it happened because it did in the manga is personal continuity, not official fact. Unless Kubo comes out and officially tells the public that only the Bleach manga matters, I feel that a wiki of this large caliber should not take liberties of that nature. Orangeitis (talk) 03:30, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

I personally think this guy in here has done their best to preserved the professionalism or the integrity of the site, if you look further inside those pages in regards, personally TBH its one of the best wiki. Pushing further this discussion will not bring us to somewhere bro. The anime section & manga section are entirely diferent thing for me, officially you take data/info from the manga/chapter, but for entertainment as a final product of the entire series its the anime & movies. Soulreaper1234 (talk) 03:51, February 11, 2011 (UTC)