User talk:Salubri

Re: Discussion
That makes sense. It gets a little messy sometimes, when we have to basically host a three different conversations and then get back to everyone else about what two people decided and get their confirmation, etc. This should make things a little easier. Twocents 04:17, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Archive
Is that a hint that I should archive my talk page too? Twocents 04:23, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I'll read up on how to do it. I'm not entirely sure how it works. Would you mind if I copied your nifty little archive content thingy... with the folder image and links to your archives? (Does that make sense? I don't know how to describe it.) Twocents 04:26, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Policy & Standards Committee
Hi, I guess I should thank you for making me Chairperson. Although after seeing the amount of work you signed me up for... :) Anyway, don't worry about the rollback thing. I don't plan to use it except to undo vandalism and stuff. I have been thinking about it and I don't think I am entirely comfortable with the idea of me nominating people for the committee. I don't think that is necessarily the best way to go about it. I say we let users nominate themselves and if they meet the membership criteria then they become members. The reason for this is that it gives more ownership to the users of the wiki and stops us from coming under criticism for favouritism because we'll only think of names of users we have had contact with on a regular basis. I mean, maybe we can invite certain members to nominate themselves but still they should step forward and put their hands-up for the job. At least that's what I think.

Also, I don't think it was a good idea to move the volume of the club into the committee policy page because, well it's a the committee policy page and not the most intuitive place to look for what's happening. In fact, the volume of the club and the anime stuff looks really out of place there. Like really out of place. It shouldn't be a page we use to conduct daily business of the committee, just the place where the policies and procedures of the commitee is listed. I think it is best to make a new page for the volume summaries and another page for the anime summaries and list them as "projects of the committee". I am happy to make the new pages and the likes if no one has any objects. Tinni 06:12, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking, for those who want to nominate themselves, should we make a section on the page somewhere they can do that or have an explanation of how the nomination process works? I could see people being interested, but not knowing what to do in order to potentially get on the committee, and it's probably best to deal with that now. Twocents 07:02, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

As eloquent as that response was, do you have something in particular you'd like to do to address the issue before we have people asking what to do? xDD Twocents 07:07, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

I figure there should probably be a specific subsection where people who want to nominate themselves can do it. I think that'd make it a little clearer on precisely where to go for those who are interested. Twocents 07:28, November 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Way ahead of you. It's all done and ready for nominations and stuff. Tinni 07:31, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Thank u for the position and thank u Yyp, Arrancar109 and Twocents. I will not abuse my rollback rights. The 4th Hokage 10:40, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo vs. Grimmjow
Just out of curiosity, are we gonna call their 3rd fight Round Three or Final Fight? Arrancar109 18:21, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Edits
Thank's for pointing it out, will keep it in mind.Abigail16 22:35, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Committee
Yeah, I was trying to find it in the first place, so thanks for reminding me where it is. Arrancar109 05:19, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Issue - Ethelion & yourself
Sorry to raise this again. I have been talking with User:Ethelion since you alerted me to the issue. After some initial confusion and misunderstanding, we have resolved the issue on the main page regarding the featured article - he now understands how the featured articles are done and is happy so long as they are consistent. I also removed the piece on his user page attacking you and gave him a warning for it. Ethelion has subsequently been asking me to try to resolve the differences between him and yourself. After some discussion, he has asked me to pass on his feelings. Other than passing this message along, I have promised him nothing & told him that you are not obliged to respond and he accepts this, and that he may not get his desired response.

So, in short: Ethelion is generally frustrated with the interactions between yourself and him since his arrival here. He feels that he has been treated harshly by you and is upset at this. He admits that he may be being overly sensitive about this, but claims that that is just his nature/personality. He insists that he does not desire to express further ill-will against you and that he just wants peace & to let the issue go. He says that he does not "want to address anymore ill-will against" you. However, he would like an apology, or an acknowledgement. He ended by saying that he "will make it an effort to improve my performance more effectively from here on out."

That's the gist of what he had to say. If you do not want to respond to him, that's fine. I have made it clear to him that you can respond as you please (if at all). I will not continue this debate with him and whatever you decide, it will be the last thing I say to him on the subject. --Yyp 17:35, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Hey
I would generally concur. I've noticed that a lot of his edits on articles have been to delete things from quotes without reason or reference to a manga page showing the correct version, for example, which I've made an effort to undo when I've seen it happen. I know his conversations with User:Gekkōhire inspired Gekkōhire to make a forum about helping with user-created Shinigami (which I shot down). I also recall Eliskuya2 commenting to another user about working hard to make sure he had enough edits to get on the sidebar, and the majority of edits to his user page are, I think, done for the sake of having an increased edit count, rather than even contributing to his own creation.

It's generally my perception that he's resistant to following the rules, dislikes anyone who asks him to and that he actively works to play one admin against other admins and users. As my edits to his user page telling him to not maintain a hitlist inspired the responses of telling me that it was "bull poop," deleting my edits with the edit summary saying (word-for-word), "I dislike you..Twocents..I hope sooner or later they well put you in time out :P" and "*facepalm*" and then he went to Yyp and asked her to make me stop. I've also seen him calling the admins he likes with the honorific "-sama" and I've seen him tell other users to stop something or else he'd make his "best friend" admin block them or whatever. I just get the feeling that he thinks he's above the rules. Twocents 02:23, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. I know I've tolerated the way he treated me because I don't get offended quite that easily, but knowing that he's also treated other users that way and that his behaviors on the wiki have been ignored or disregarded for quite some time is not fair to those who do take care to follow the rules and policies. I agree that Arrancar109 and Yyp should be made aware of the situation, if they aren't already, and that we can decide on a course of action, whether it's simply talking to him about it or something else. Do you want to bring it up on the admin talk page, or would you prefer that I write something there instead? Twocents 05:33, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Alright. I've added a summary (that ended up being lengthier than I intended it to be), so hopefully, Yyp and Arrancar109 will have time to look at it soon and add in their own input. Twocents 06:06, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Edits
Hey Salubri I'm sorry if I've caused you trouble but it really slipped my mind that I had to refer to the manga well honestly I've just begun and haven't gotten very far so I'll refrain from editing until I finish the manga Till then I hope I can do some minor edits Thank you and sorry once again)Abigail16 06:05, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Edit Fights and Events
Sorry, but I have not done nothings to the fights page, I will wait to you are done with it. What can I edit, fix or create I am just trying to help. Flaminghorse November 19, 2009 (UTC

Today to Nov. 30
I just wanted you to be aware that my family celebrates Thanksgiving, so I likely won't be on much for this next week. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause, and I hope you have a good week too. :) Twocents 20:27, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Block 1217
why did you block me? (I'm saying this in the nicest way possible)--April7 1995 01:17, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

ok I understand and I'm sorry--April7 1995 01:48, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

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mkay :). I see where your coming from now. The theory is very farfetched, thinking now that he couldn't because he would have to go through the process of hollowfication. it still leaves the question who or what he is. I came around to making the picture. You see in the picture, this mysterious person has the same robe and hairpiece, but has the same mouthpiece as his zanpakto. The comparison is uncanny, which is why im so persistent with finding an answer or some kind of discussion with it. As a big bleach fan, im very curious to know what you think about it. He looks like a big mix between them both.  Ojwillkillyou 04:19, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Kyoraku thing
Well that topic just won't die. There has been more development so perhaps you should have another look at the discussion. Basically, both onemanga and readbleach has the scanlation of Manga-Rain. So it's the same scanlation in both those sources. Apart from Viz and Manga-Rain, the only other translation of the chapter is from a group called Manga7, which is only available on Bleach Exile. The Manga7 translation does conform more with the Viz translation. Kind of stuck what to do next, I asked Sheetz from FLOL to translate fresh the raw. Sheetz thinks that logically Yama-jii most likely was refering to both Ukitake and Kyoraku as team but literally, Yama-jii is saying "And at one time, as far as fighting is concerned, that strength surpassed the rest. Amongst your peers and your predecessors there were none to rival you." There is no question about Sheetz translation capabilities. He's one of the best out there. So at this point it's your call. All the information is now presented in Talk:Shunsui_Kyōraku. Tinni 09:19, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I am washing my hands of this entire mess. I did everything humanly possible to find all information of relevance and this time all translations except Manga-Rain (whose translation is on both Onemanga and readbleach so those two sites are not giving two different sources) say that Yamamoto said nothing about them working well together. It can be inferred that, that's what he meant but that's speculations. It's not about changing it to reflect Viz, it's about changing it to reflect what's in the original Japanese Raw and the original Japanese Raw says Yamamoto didn't say anything about their teamwork. Manga-Rain translates from Chinese to English, so how accurate can we really call them? Anyway, as I said, I don't care any more. Tinni 02:06, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter why the issue was brought up. Once it was we owe it the users to investigate and if the investigating reveals that our original source of information was wrong, then we have to change it. In this case it seems clear Manga-Rain made a mistake. When it is this clear then it has to be changed. I understand it wasn't a problem before and if our investigation had revealed that Manga-Rain wasn't wrong then we could just shut this down. But setting aside the question of Viz, Manga-Rain translated from Chinese and said what they said. When all other translations say Manga-Rain got it wrong then sticking to Manga-Rain isn't reasonable. Tinni 03:43, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Tinni 04:16, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Kenpachi zaraki Bankai
Hi, Salubri I recently found this article today saying I know we don't know what zaraki's bankai is but what if it's a kido type or something similar, I deleted the content but I can't delete the article itself, the article was created by Cresendo09. However I'm sure that he wasn't aware of the rules here and I think that since you guys changed the automated message for new users you could also list some the things that are permitted or not permitted, I'm saying this because I've noticed that a few new guys keep editing in a way that's not permitted, such as adding fan fiction, uploading images on the site that they don't really need just slow us down, rude behaviour etc. There's also a slight problem with the user April7 1995, where she repeatedly changed Ichigo's image with Aizen just explaining that his face looks better but her edits were reverted by Narutoz7, so in any case you guys may want to watch her edits but hopefully it won't happen again.--SalmanH 05:17, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Your welcome, it's no problem.--SalmanH 06:03, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Spoiler Policy addition
We've had a couple of problems with people adding what were considered "spoilers" to the site, only for it to turn out that the episode/chapter was released unusually early or on an obscure site. I proposed an addition to the spoiler policy to Arrancar109 and he's happy with it. Just wondered what you thought about it, or if there is anything you think is missing from it. I want to add the following to the policy, above the failure to follow section. --Yyp 20:11, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

If a Chapter/Episode is Only Just Released
If you are adding information from an episode or chapter that has only just been released in English (or if it is likely that other users are unaware of its release), use the edit summary box to state that the chapter/episode is indeed out and state the site where you read it (an exact link would be appreciated). This will allow others to verify that the episode/chapter is out and that the information you are adding is correct. It will also reduce the likelihood of your edit being reverted and you getting into trouble with an Admin for violating this policy. And it is a good service to let the rest of the community know that it has been released.

New Fansub & Fanscan Groups
From time to time, a new fanscan/fansub group arrives on the scene. In their early days, any such group is likely to be little known and may not be widely available. If they happen to be the first group to release a new episode/chapter in English, it is very important that you state as much in the edit summary box, and/or let an Admin know to avoid any issues. It is especially important if they do not allow their material to be published on a widely known and accessible site. We can not be expected to find them if we are unaware of their existence.

Committee vote
Mohrpheus has been nominated for a position on the Policy/Standards Committee by Minato88. I've put up a vote on it at the Admin Talk Page. --Yyp 20:11, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Your opinion on this unneccessarily long subject.
http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Gin_Ichimaru#An_Ability_of_his_Shikai_left_out.Saimaroimaru 00:25, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for you intervention, I tought it was going to go on forever. Please mark that conversation as resolved so that we don't have someone continueing the arguement when its been decided. Again thanks.Saimaroimaru 02:31, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Hello Admin
Hi, I'm Sxerks, from the Anime & Manga Hub

I'm asking admins of Anime-related wikis if you would add this link   to the bottom of your SIDEBAR. Its a link to the Anime & Manga Hub on Wikia.

We are currently working on adding basic pages as well as a list of anime wikis on wikia.

We Also have a monthly Anime/Manga spotlight on our Main Page. Read about it here.

A lot of admins here so I picked the ones with the most recent activity, you and Arrancar109 to talk to.


 * --Sxerks 23:24, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Main Page
I think it looks fine, though the main column is a little long. I'm afraid most people wouldn't bother to scroll down to see the featured picture/quote. Maybe we can get rid of some of the old news or something? To shorten it up a bit. Twocents 15:21, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and I tried to make minor edits to the Bleach Wiki:Featured Picture & Quote‎, but I'm not sure why the changes aren't showing up on the main page. Twocents 16:56, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Policy and Standards Project
I understand what you are saying regarding my recent nomination into the Committee. I also understand the responsibilities associated with the position, and in reality, only agreed to be nominated because I was asked to. If the need arises, I would gladly work on an individual project, though the anime episode and manga chapter pages seem to be the highest priorities of the group, especially since they require more work than any other articles. Just wanted to clear that up, if it helps. Mohrpheus 18:52, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

The Committee Ordeals
Hey Salubri. I saw the messages u left Mohrpheus and Tinni and thought it might help if I clarify things. The Anime Summary deal is no longer a problem(possibly cause of the Winter Holiday Seasons). The problem was I had a hard time coordinating the efforts and had The Shadow Dragon, Tomservo101, Weedefinition, BollyW, Johnnylightning, and a few others all making edits to: Summaries, Characters Appearence, and Techniques; without doing it right, without adding links, adding personal thoughts, adding wrong links, and various other problems. All of this within the mid November time-frame and all on different pages.

As I told Tinni it was alttle too much(all at once, especially with the limited time I could spend on here at this time) and I saw she had left a message on the Committee Page asking for help with the Volume Summary Project, so I referred some of them to that project. At any rate the Anime Summary Project has slowed way down(cause of the Holidays). I know I haven't been on much lately(& I apologize for that), but I am busy with my life and hopefully after New Years I can get back to being on here full-time again(of course I will continue to work on the project and update its progress). O.k. thats basically what was implied when discussions were made with Mohrepheus.

On a side note. I know there are other projects that need to be done, but I am having a hard time getting users to even join the committee (let alone join and then take on a whole new project). I know that Committee members should have to do projects, but saying things like that would just scare them off. I also know that if they become uninterested in joining it because of such words, then they shouldn't be members in the first place. However, they might take the message the wrong way and think that it is a job or something and might consider it a whole lot more work then it actually is. They also might fear it as if they do not complete enough of it FAST enough then the Admins will take their position away from them(when really the Admins and other Committee members would just help out alittlt(or atleast I would)). This next part is just an opinion and u can correct me if I am mistaken.

The point of the Committee is to find Junior users, make them Seniors and get their help with fixing up this website, and keeping Vandalism to a minimum(which is why they are given Roll-Back Rights). I don't know how many projects u or the others have in mind (I do know about the battle project), but I would be more then interested in hearing about them. The truth is Users Kisukeiscool and SalmanH were the two best candidates for the Third Seat Position(I know the upper seats should be Senior Users already), but both of them turned it down and I have gone to more drastic means and am currently looking for Juniors whom can get the job done. Here is the message I left Tinni about the nomination ordeal. Hey Tinni. I know the committee has not been around for very long, but no one else seems to be applying for it & I feel that finding three more candidates would be a relief for u, I, and the Admins. I know u and Salubri have decided to let them nominate themselves, but what if someone whom is not quite skilled enough or for another reason applies and is rejected. Sometimes rejection can be be worse then not being picked cause of favoritism.

I also really wanted the Third Seat to be a more experienced user, but all of them are either uninterested or have left(maybe Mohrpheus will surprise me). I have contacted User:TomServo101 about the Fourth Seat Position and I have User:Gold3263301 in mind for the Fifth(possible Fourth). I would like u'or opinion on these two and also on User:Abigail16. Just one question on my part(& srry for the long message). Will there be more Seats added at a later date? I originally heard the Committee was supposed to have Eight Seats. Minato 22:27, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Quotes
Okay. I didn't know if it was a matter of he's a part of that race regardless of whether others choose to acknowledge him as so (just like you're human, regardless of whether or not anyone else wants to say you're a human) or if the Vizard thing was more clique-ish. I had a bit of a mental debate in trying to decide where to put the quotes, but I can move them to Shinigami instead. Twocents 05:09, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. That seems reasonable enough. I'm willing to go with that. Twocents 05:35, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

I've just undone a couple of edits calling Tosen a Vizard (his page and the Vizard template). I've put him down as a hybrid in his infobox just to stop people from adding Vizard back in. Someone has started a topic on it at Talk:Vizard. -- Yyp  (Talk)  15:01, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

I can understand the confusion regarding the "is he a Vizard or not?" issue (considering I, myself, was initially unsure). Would it be useful, then, to have a forum or something that explicitly says why he's not classified as a Vizard, so we're not carrying on the conversation on several different article talk pages and such? Twocents 21:45, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Edits
I see. Thank you for the clarification. And I apologize if you thought that I was vandalizing the Zommari Leroux page (I was trying to reference and then when I saved, it resulted in all the references on the Hueco Mundo arc synopsis disappearing) --Mr. N 05:55, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

I also apologize for not properly formatting my message on your chat page (adding a "box-thing"). I still am not quite familiar with all the functions of Wikia. Once again, my apologies for appearing to vandalize a page! Mr. N 06:07, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

I'm really not sure what to say to this, when I checked the history on the page I that page I actually thought you were making a minor edit and the user after you was the one who wrote it because the summary said "possible spoilers of yet to be released chapter" but when I recently checked it it said new information added by Salubri I must have skimmed the message when I read it and misinterpreted it as something else. I apologise and it won't happen again.--SalmanH 08:03, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

It's perfectly understandable, you had every right to do so, and it didn't really seem like you were angry but it did look like you were tired of it, anyway it's no problem and thanks for letting me know about this.--SalmanH 08:18, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Central Wiki
Salubri, did u get the message from Central Wikia, about the Fall updates? If u know what i'm talking about I could use a little help. Minato 18:42, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

OK, thank u for replying. I think u fixed my problem. After getting and reading what it had to say, I dismissed it. Afterwards the orange bar saying I have new messages wouldn't go away and no matter what I tried it stayed on, but after u'or message it has gone away. Thanks, Minato 19:03, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Policy
Today, I spoke with User:Logeys about image titles and adding images to articles correctly. I left about four messages and had Yyp look over them, and he confirmed that my messages were clear. When I came back from work, though, I saw that Logeys had continued to ignore the direction I had given him on following the manual of style. While Arrancar109 and Yyp had spoken to him about it before I did today, they're conversation with Logeys wasn't an official warning.

The point of this, then, is are we going to continue are nice policy and have me issue an additional warning about it, or are we going to be stricter, like you and I had discussed on the Administrators‎‎ talk page? I wanted your input before I took any additional actions. Twocents 01:10, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I was thinking of saying something like, "Because you have chosen to continue to disregard policy and directions that were given to you, despite multiple explanations, your actions are subject to the blocking policy. When you are no longer blocked, we would love to have you continue to contribute to the wiki, as long as you follow the manual of style. If you are still unsure on how to properly title image files and how to add them to articles, you are welcome to consult me or another admin." And then do the third warning on the block policy - the two weeks. I think that even though Arrancar109's and Yyp's posts weren't official warnings, in total, he was spoken to about it six times, and it seems a little lenient to continue to disregard his actions. ...I ramble. Sorry. Twocents 01:29, December 7, 2009 (UTC)