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By "things on their belts" did you mean their bows? The reason the characters you are referring to as Bambietta's subordinates (who weren't her subordinates, but fellow Sternreitter) weren't using the cross is because they had actual physical weapons at their disposal. Since the cross is supposed to help in the formation of a bow, there was no need for them to have one.

The way Bambietta boss them around one can be excused to see them as being weaker than Bambietta and as such her subordinates. And their bows came out of pouches they had on their belts not the regular quincy cross. In fact I haven't seen a single Sternritter use the quincy cross. For incredible as it might seem, Yhwach was one the few that actually used his cross/amulet to create a weapon.

That specific incident has "Aizen used the Hogyoku" written all over it. Think of Tosen as what Aizen was trying to create when he made the Vizards. Just because Ichigo had a Hollow mask, doesn't mean that him knowing the specific origins of his powers, gives him access to a Resurrección. As previously stated, that ability is exclusive to Arrancar with Tosen being the exception.

That specific incident meaning that it's a possibility. It can't really be ruled out. Because let's be real... We don't actually know what Ichigo is capable off.

That information is located on Ichigo's character page in the section regarding the Black Getsuga. I myself, found it on page 6 of chapter 212. That piece of info was something that Ichigo reminded himself of after he used one on Grimmjow and saw that it barely hurt him.

Yeah. I remember that now. Well if we nitpick Ichigo actually learned that technique when his hollow side took over during his fight with Byakuya.

Either way, it's technique that's been used by too many people to actually be considered a zanpakutou real power. Isshin used it, even Urahara somehow used it, when we're shown Ichigo training before heading to soul society to save Rukia. When Urahara mentioned to Ichigo the importance of him gaining control over the technique he used right after he "awakened Zangetsu".

If they aren't his Shikai...what exactly are they?

Seeing Ichigo unique nature. Just the sealed form of Zangetsu.

Many have argue that no, they're his shikai. But nothing I've seen so far points to that or even remotely proves it.

It's not about what we want, it's about what Kubo writes. I highly doubt that Zangetsu's abilities are going to drastically change from what they previously were. There's no real reason as to why they would.

Actually the moment Kubo said that Old Man was never really Zangetsu, but the Manifestation of Ichigo's quincy powers. And that Old Man had been his main source of power while suppressing most of the real Zangetsu power... Kubo opened the door for anything to happen.

There's even this theory going around some forum's and youtubers that Zangetsu elemental nature of its power is water. Because of the influence and/or presence of water in his inner world.

We had Old Man saying he hates the rain. When Ichigo inner world was collapsing, and all those boxes were falling, and Ichigo himself fell into that ocean with the boxes. When training for FTG his entire inner world was filled with water. Many have speculated that the water was simply a representation of Ichigo's emotional state, but seeing Kubo ability of foreshadowing, the water might actually be a clue to the real Zangetsu true shikai power. At least that's one of the theories going around.

That and the fact that inside the Shiba clan, which Ichigo is a part of, all members seem to possess a link to a elemental nature. Kaien zanpakutou was water based. Ganju seems to have a connection to the element earth. Kuukaku also seems to be fire. Isshin was clearly fire. It looked like fire and behaved like fire, so in my book, it was fire.

There are lots of Zanpakuto with release commands that have nothing to do with their abilities. Lastly, why would Ichigo have a fire-type Zanpakuto?

True. There are some commands that have nothing to do with the zanpakutou ability. But most have.

Yamamoto release command. Shunsui release command. Mayuri release command. Urahara, Omaeda, Sasakibe, Ikkaku, Hitsugaya, even Ichibei command release was Kuromeyo "Blacken".

Why?! Well mostly because when Old Man revealed the real Zangetsu, it was covered in flames. Or at least them seemed like flames. Also when Ichigo faced for the first White Ichigo, and Wichigo was holding the supposedly real Zangetsu blade, Ichigo noticed that the power emanating from the blade ignited the air around it and made it burn.

Mask de Masculine said that a Zanpakutou of elemental nature can only possess one element. But perhaps, just perhaps, Ichigo might be the exception to the rule and actually possess two elements. Fire and Water.

For all we know his Zangetsu true power might be something called Gekko "Moonlight". Seeing that moonlight is nothing more than the light of the sun being reflected off the moon. Gekko could be a mimicking ability to copy the powers of everyone Ichigo has ever faced. Shinigami, hollow or quincy.

I guess all we can do is wait and hope Gerard and Askin are really finished so we can go to Ichigo and see what he can and can't do.