Talk:Aaroniero Arruruerie

Category ?
I think that we can consider him, as both Privaron Espada and Espada, right ? Mili-Cien
 * I don't think so. He was never (as far as we know) removed from the current Espada, so he never became a Privaron Espada. LapisScarab 21:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't recall seeing the unreleased Glotoneria as looking like the unreleased Nejibana. Can the author of this give a page reference? Daisekihan 15:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Destroy Zanpakuto?
I think Aaroniero had used this Metastacia's ability when he fights Rukia. This is because we seen that Rukia's zanpakuto was broke by Nejibana. --Kroduz 08:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Sign your comments. And no, this is wrong. Aaroniero simply broke Rukia's zanpakuto because he was stronger and more powerful. He does possess Metastacia's ability, but your theory has several flaws:
 * 1. Metastacia can only use the ability once per night, and the time of day in Hueco Mundo is unclear.
 * 2. The ability can only be done if the opponent touches Metastacia's tentacles. I don't remember seeing Rukia do this with Aaroniero.
 * 3. Metastacia's ability dissolves the zanpakuto down the hilt; it does not shatter it. Rukia's sword was shattered, not dissolved. If it were dissolved, she would likely be unable to use her zanpakuto's 3rd Dance ability.
 * Just because Aaroniero possesses the ability doesn't mean he has used it against Rukia. And assuming that he used Metastacia's ability is just like saying Ichigo did when he broke Kenpachi's sword, or Aizen did it when he shattered Renji's sword. Aaroniero shattered it because his attacks possessed more power than Rukia's, not because of Metastacia's abilities. Arrancar109 08:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Akira Reference?
Is it worth noting that his Ressuracion appears to be reference to the manga/anime movie Akira? His Zanpakuto in its unreleased state is a tentacle-like arm and he turns into a big fleshy blob upon releasing it. A tentacle arm and a blob-like form also appear in famous scenes from Akira. Greybob 20:36, 5 May 2009

I dont think so, it could just as easily resemble anything from other material. Bleach is original its easy to find similarities in other stuff you like if you look for them. It really has no bases. Salubri 02:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to tell you this, but Bleach isn't very "original" at all. I wouldn't have joined this wiki if I didn't kind of like the series, but I'm able to admit that it's rather mediocre. You'd know this too, if you actually watched good movies, read good books, or even good manga. I don't even like Akira at all, so to say that only reason I can see it as a reference is because I "find similarities in other stuff [I] like" is just stupid. The tentacle arm and blob tranformation are VERY famous scenes and have been referenced in several other places, including other anime. Hey, at least I'm assuming it's a reference, and not flat-out accusing Tite Kubo of ripping off another person's work. Yes, alot of motifs reappear in anime over and over in many series, but they had to have started somewhere, right?

Also, you spelled "basis" wrong. Greybob 15:19, 7 May 2009

Well, the only other mangas that are similar to Bleach as far as I can tell are Death Note (by use of shinigami and death) & Naruto (main protagonist has inner evil.) The latter of the two has been repeated very frequently in many manga, so until something else comes along that has: death gods using swords that each have their own individual powers, hollows or evil spirits that also have their unique skills along with a moderately complex evoloution process, Spanish & Japanese motifs for opposing characters, etc. I suggest you back up your claims of mediocrity elsewhere.Renji Abarai 22:14, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

-Giant swords, special powers, and evil spirits are nothing new to manga. If you need examples, Inuyasha, Yu Yu Hakusho, and Roroni Kenshin, One Piece, and Dragonball, all of which came before Bleah, had variations on at least one or more of those. The most interesting thing that you listed is the Spanish motif, which doesn't seem to symbolize much, anyways, even if it is aesthetically interesting.

Also, even if some of the ideas are fairly interesting or "cool," that doesn't mean the writing is good. Some it's not bad, but alot of it is, yes, I'll say it again: mediocre. With some exceptions, the characterization is poor; the plot is repeatitive and predictable (except for the twist of Aizen being the big bad, which I will admit was pretty clever); the theme of death was more or less abandonned completely after they got into the Seireitei, leaving the Shinigami as generic soldiers who just happen to have superpowers. There hasn't been any references at all in a long, long, time, of the Shikigami being psychopomps, instead just having them fight OOH SPOOKY MONSTERS!

It's just fighting, fighting, fighting, with a few boobs thrown in. If that's your sort of thing, good for you. It's still entertaining, I still kind of like it. That doesn't mean it's some great work of art. Though, I will also say that Tite Kubo is an above-average visual artist with a unique style, even if he could work on his proportions a bit.

I must admit that I want to apologize for my rather rude reply to Salubri. I overreacted over such a minor thing, but I could have presented a counter-arguement in a less hostile fashion. However, I had to reply to Renji's statement, for if my opinion or my right to express it is being attacked, I have every right to defend it. Greybob 22:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok I am somewhat confused. By your statements its clear you dont like bleach, which begs the question why even watch or read it. I mean this really isn't the site you go to for bad mouthing. You say you wouldn't have joined if you didn't "kind" of like the series. My question would be why join it at all if its mediocre to you? The rest of those on this site dont feel that way, hence the reason we joined. Also while the concept of the shinigami is apart of japanese culture and has been used at various times by many, what Kubo has done with it is completely original. There is plenty of mystical storylines in anime and manga alike. Bleach is not about a half-demon fighting other demons, its not about a alien fighting other aliens. Its story is completely different. Also its easy to critique someone's work and put them down but what series of work do you put out thats so great. Its quite clear that you dont appreciate bleach and your entitled to think what you want but, there are plenty of forums and sites you can hate the series on. Rather then the one place where people dont. Salubri 23:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Yea I would have to agree with Salubri. If you don't like it don't watch it. Im pretty sure your alone in your assessment of the series, because Im pretty sure the rest of the people who hate it just don't watch it. Your opioion can't even be taken as a critique really because all you did was tear down the series and the author. I mean even critics who have the job pretty much just say they dont like what they read or see, explain why and leave it at that. I mean I dont know what you expect out of the series and clearly you must be comparing it to something else, assuming everything has to follow that method. But its pretty clear maybe this "mediocre" series with the bad writing, characters and storyline and the author who can sorta kinda draw really just isn't for you. Halibel101 23:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Good points. Critiquing is one thing but you just really went beyond that, like you must really hate the series, like what are you like a Naruto fan coming to try and sabotage the wiki or something. I read plenty of manga and watch plenty of anime. Im pretty much a fan of alot of stuff. But yea with such a cruel opinion of the series it makes me wonder. what have you written or drawn thats become popular? I mean there are plenty of people writing and drawing good stuff maybe and yea there are some above Kubo in that but they dont bad mouth him at least not on the very site dedicated to his creation. I mean whats all that about really. I dont know it seems crazy. YesMonarch 23:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it is really pointless to talk about these things on Aaroniero's Talk page. The conversation isn't even where it started anymore, and all it seems so be now is a battle to win nothing. Kubo, like all other people who create manga and anime are going to have something in common with something else. There isn't any point in saying things that can go without saying. Not to mention that Kubo himself said that he was inspired by certain series, like Dragonball Z. - HuecoMuffin 16:06, 12 May 2009 (UTC)