Forum:Was ulquiorra a vasto lorde? (Thread Closed)

when ulquiorra first appeared everyone thought that he was a vasto lorde i bet.I still believe it. with his first release he was able to kick vizard ichigo's butt without problem.Vizard ichigo is above an average captain so ulqiorra is far beyond an average captain so what do you think?

There is something to be said about interpretation. There really was nothing to note Ulquiorra actually being a Vasto Lorde beyond some fans hopes. The evidence used to support it is minimal and at the same time counts against him as well. Having said that there was more hype behind his power level but it turned out to be just that hype. Ichigo has the spiritual power level of a captain (which is confirmed) but he by no means is the most powerful in the series nor is he powerful enough to qualify at the level of a captain who has 50 to 100+ years of experience on him not to mention skills he can't even perform. Lets also mention that he has only learned to retain the mask for long periods of time, he doesn't know how to use the full capabilities of his hollow powers, nor how to maintain control without allowing his inner hollow to take possession. With all that in mind it says nothing about Ichigo's power compared to Ulquiorra's but says alot about how Ulquiorra can so easily beat Ichigo. In fact seeing as the only instance we have seen Ulquiorra fight seriously was verses Ichigo we can only really compare him to Ichigo and seeing as I stated before he could easily take Ichigo and then the second form kicks in and he suddenly begins to lose. Ichigo went from being barely able to keep up with Ulquiorra to totally owning him. So its not likely Ulquiorra was as powerful as he was insinuated to be with all the brooding and acting all superior, it doesn't qualify as confirming his strength. Even being one of the top espada doesn't guarentee a testament of almighty power, considering Barragan who is 2nd in power compared to Ulquiorra who is 4th in power, is the most powerful espada to date and is now dead. In the end Ulquirroa is dead and if for the sake of argument if he was a Vasto Lorde it doesn't say much about their power if they can be killed just like that.Salubri 04:53, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

-There really was nothing to note Ulquiorra actually being a Vasto Lorde beyond some fans hopes. The evidence used to support it is minimal and at the same time counts against him as well.-

Minimal? The only known picture of a Vasto Lorde is of Ulquiorra.

Yes, he's a Vasto Lorde.

- In the end Ulquirroa is dead and if for the sake of argument if he was a Vasto Lorde it doesn't say much about their power if they can be killed just like that. -

Always killed by more than a single captain (either a team or an awakened hollow-vizard), exactly as VLs are insinuated to be. The description of them was 'more battle power than a captain', not 'far beyond a captain' or 'stronger than two captains' or 'invincible' or anything like that, and both Ulquiorra and Barragan without a doubt showed beyond captain power. I'm not sure how you can say 'just' when that's how they were described in information about them all along, anything beyond that is pure speculation.

I do think what some fans place VL as is beyond what anyone in the series has described them like.ZeroSD 07:46, September 4, 2009 (UTC)