Bleach Wiki talk:Policy & Standards Committee

Morgan Silve's Nomination
Hello, I'm Morgan Silve. To start, I have had trouble with the Fight Summary project/policy. Admins tell me that I add too much information to fights, and information that has already been added. I have become more aware of this extreme though, making my edits to plots short; like a summary. The Image Policy isn't a problem though, because I already know the format for pictures on this Wiki: (the File: at the begining of the picture code must be replaced by Image:, and the picture has to be 190px. 190px is commonly used with thumbnails, and for plot pictures. A picture should be 200px if it's for the character box).

I really love to contribute to other's blog posts, and sometimes I even make blog posts of my own.

My grammar has also sharpened, Yyp told me in my Talk Page. So yes, this is why I want to be in the P&S Committe. Even I want to keep the peace and harmony on Bleach Wiki.Luis Gabriel Lamborgini  18:08, March 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I am really sorry but we are currently not accepting any more nominations. Just today we finalised the membership of SunXia. With the inclusion of SunXia we have the 8 required members. So we won't be accepting any more nominations until such time as a seat becomes vacant. Tinni   (Talk)  18:17, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion
With the recent absences of Weedefinition and Devilhand and somewhat Lia, I think it would be a good idea if there was a way that any of us could be reached should we become inactive in order to communicate what is going on. The easiest way to do this is through wikia's built in email feature. By going to Special:EmailUser/Username, you can send a user an email directly through wikia. All it requires is that you provide a valid email in your preferences and click the box that says receive email from other users. The feature never gives away your email address if you are worried about that. I have sent an email to Weedefinition and he responded to me saying he is having a few issues currently so already this has helped. I know for at least myself, even if I cannot make it on the wiki, I almost always have access to my email through one source or another. I think this would help us in times like these if we all enabled this.--


 * I like this idea, although I usually get an e-mail regarding pages I'm watching, which is of course this one and my own talk page!! But sure, I don't mind recieving e-mails from you guys, makes a good difference from the Social Updates!! Whenever I get back to work full-time once I've recovered, those e-mails might be handy!! Special:EmailUser/Username right?? SunXia   (Chat)  00:28, March 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * I support this idea. Communication through means besides the messages on Wikia pages is important. Not everyone has set their settings to receive notification e-mails on changes to pages or always remember to check for changes on Wikia. ---Mr. N 05:05, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * First off I want to apologize for being gone for so long. I just had to deal with a lot of family problems that left me without my laptop for a good while. Anyway, I'm in support of this idea since it definitely makes communication easier and I can't see any actual problems in doing this. TheDevilHand888 (talk) 20:20, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Needed Images
Ok Salubri had brought to my attention that there are images in articles that are placed incorrectly in regards to what is going on at that specific point of the article!! He is also concerned that pivotal points in articles are lacking proper representation with images due to an overload of text in certain plots ie, Espada and their FKT Arc fights for example!! He knows we're doing a lot but would appreciate if we could look into this!! Perhaps a new section for this issue in the Article Improvement Project is required so we can get the jobs done as we go, as per usual?? SunXia  (Chat)  20:03, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

That would probably work best. I am already doing quite a bit right now so I wouldn't be able to take a look at this for another week or so but placing it in the article improvement project would probably be best.--

You have my approval (even though I do not always work with the images). ---Mr. N 05:05, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I've been busy today due to doctors and meetings with work, which will continued into tomorrow but I have bee grabbing screenshots and having a quick look at characters through a group by group analysis and been compiling my own list of who needs images!! Salubri is concerned that some major points in plots aren't being represented and that some characters galleries are quite bare and once I went through them, I think he's right!! One of the groups that specifically stuck out for me was the Visoreds, especially in their history sections, which, let's face it, play a big role for them as characters!! So I've spent the day trailing through Eps 206-211 and grabbing what I can and I will upload which will fit best!! So I'll be starting this project slowly as we get the other projects done as well!! SunXia  (Chat)  23:35, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Resignation
In a move that I am sure surprises nobody, I think it is best that I resign from the committee. I was hoping to be more active but my schedule is getting busier to and busier. So there is really no point in me remaining the Taicho of the committee. I'll hold on to the Chronology project unless someone has any objections. I will also be available for Gif creation. Just leave a message and I'll should be able to do it within a few days. But the taicho of the committee should be someone more active. Good luck with everything. Tinni  (Talk)  22:35, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

A shame to see you go Tinni, you have always helped this site tremendously. I can't say I was not expecting this though. This now leaves us without a Taicho so let's take the discussion there. Obviously, being the Fukaitaicho, it is Mr.N's if he wants it. That leaves Fukaitaicho to Morpheus if he wants it.--

Was hoping upon hope that it wouldn't get to this point. As Tinni is a very big help to this site in every factor. So this is a problem obviously. I guess we can make it work, you wont be completely gone but still. This also provides for a change to the parameters and guidelines for the committee. If there is any question about what this entails please feel free to ask me. --Salubri (Talk)  23:39, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

This is very unfortunate indeed, but perhaps it is for the best. I'd have to respectfully decline the Fukutaicho position, even if it were officially offered. My lack of recent activity does not exactly speak well of my ability to dedicate myself to a position like that. If anyone, Godisme and Lia are more suitable for the position, as much as I hate to pass the ball. I am still of the opinion that the committee could do without the leadership ranks, seeing as the group already functions as a body in any projects the members see fit. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  06:27, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

To me, the ranks are fine as is. I don't care if they go really but having extra duties assigned to some people might help right now due to the inactivity of Weede, Devil and Lia.--

It is a shame to see you go since you have been very helpful to the site, but is not completely unexpected. No denying that Tinni's presence will be missed. I have to agree with Mohrpheus on Godisme or Lia Schiffer being more suited to the "higher" positions. I really do not think I would be active enough to take the taichō position (both currently and in the foreseeable future). As Godisme and Salubri have suggested, it may just end up assigning extra duties to some and possibly changing the parameters and guidelines for the committee.---Mr. N 18:18, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for all the good wishes guys! So far as my opinion still counts for anything - I think it's pretty obvious that the person who should replace me is Godisme. Going by edit count along, Godisme has 8,496 - the highest by a long margin of anyone else in the committee. At 8,877 - I was the only person in the committee with a higher edit count then Godisme. Plus between his Blog and his frequent patrolling, Godisme is also well known among both regular and irregular wiki users. That's important as while the other members of the committee can fly low under the radar, the Taicho should be visible. However, whoever takes-up the role of Taicho should give careful consideration to their RL commitments. I mean, we can't really plan against unforeseen events but all foreseeable events should be accounted for before accepting the position. Anyway, that's my 2 cent on the subject. Good luck and don't do anything I wouldn't do. ^.^ Tinni   (Talk)  21:42, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

New Guidelines and Regulations
Ok So with Tinni resigning there obviously needs to be a change in the guidelines and parameters of which this committee works. My proposals are therefore as follows:
 * 1) Completely getting rid of titles Taicho and Fukutaicho. Though they are very bleach neither corresponds to a working committee in real life an also the added power/requirements isn't used or consistently done so there is no point to either.
 * 2) Replacing past positions with 1st and 2nd Seat. This will correspond as follows the user given first seat will be the most active and involved user, said user will have final say in committee related issues, unless overridden  by a admin (rare though it can possibly happening depending on the issue).
 * 3) 2nd to the 9th seats will be organized as leaders of the various associate groups (i.e. projects) outside of the normal duties of a committee members.
 * 4) Associate groups will get a bit of restructuring.
 * 5) Currently the general dismissal rule is 2 months or more. Though it doesn't seem to make much sense to be gone that long with no real excuse. So barring a real life situation that require you be gone for an extensive amount of time (such as moving, sickness, dead computer or out of town) just disappearing with no absentee warning isn't acceptable. We all have real life to deal with if not work then school. But thats not fair to just leave the site or other fellow users wondering where you are and why noting is happening on the site. That being said instead of 2 months 1 should be enough for a no warning disappearance.
 * 6) In light of real life no one expected to be on all day everyday but it helps. Being on and doing some significant work other then blogging helps that site even if its every other day or a few days a week.
 * 7) If there are open spots on the committee its everyones job to find quality placeholders for those spots if not attract quality editors in general to the site (especially translators).

So thats the basic outline. Any questions? --Salubri (Talk)  18:43, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. Does this mean we will be removing Lia, Devil and Weedefinition? I am fine with removing Weedefinition because last I talked to him, he said the reason he was not editing here was because he had lost interest in Bleach due to the pacing of the latest arc. With Lia and Devil though, I believe they both said they were having family issues. I think the both of them should be given until the end of the month to start editing again before they are removed. This would give us a little more time to find better candidates for the committee before the floodgates open and everyone starts applying. Right now, I don't think we really have good candidates. Perhaps if Minato is going to stay active we can put him back on and if IamJakuhoRaikoben can spare a little more time to devote to this wiki I think he would be a good addition but those are about it.--

I'm also fine with the new regulations!! So far I'm assuming that Godisme should be the 1st Seat given his unwaivering contributions to the site in general!! In regards to the other places, I do know that Lia told u that she's been really affected by personal stuff so yeah she should definitely been given a while to get back into the swing of things!! If Godisme says the situation is similar with Devil then I trust him!! So far, I do see people who are willing to contribute but I haven'treally seen anybody who stands out as a great contributor who is mature enough or has enough time to be given such a role!! Personally, my own recovery has been going well so I don't anticipate disappearing for a lengthy time anytime soon unless life takes over!! I'm in favour of the changes otherwise!! SunXia  (Chat)  19:41, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to interject for a quick moment as I figured this would be the appropriate place to put this. As Godisme stated earlier, currently I don't contribute that much to this wiki, since I do most of my editing at another wiki, and as thus, I'm not qualified. Though I am able to spare more time to devote to this wiki, and I plan on doing so. And once I do, if my contributions are satisfactory, and there is a position open, I would be glad to accept it, if all parties involved at the time agreed.

I believe the new regulations cover things quite well. With our longtime leader gone, such a change was definitely necessary. I feel that the dismissal rule definitely seems to apply to me at this point, so I will do my best to put more effort towards improving the site. My first year of college is over by this point, so continuing to use that as my excuse is not acceptable. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  05:15, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ten Tailed Fox's Nomination
In the past, I have tried my best to get as active as possible on this wiki. As you can see from my edit count, I haven't edited as much as some of you have, but you can bet that if you accept my nomination, I won't let you all down. I have had experience dealing with policies, as I am an admin on numerous wikis, and (if you examine my edits) I have a great deal of experience in editing a wiki properly, having been a member of Wikia for nearly four years now. I am also polite and good with people; willing to work with them, even if the situation gets rough. Also, as an admin on other wikis, I have experience with rollback rights and know how to use them properly. Thank you for considering this nomination. Ten Tailed Fox   (Talk with me) 04:22, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Time for everyone to cast their votes. I am neutral on the nomination, while Ten is not the most active around here nor does he have the strongest of backgrounds here, I know he means well and is quite experienced with other wikis. Consider though that we do have 5 seats to fill.--


 * He has been rejected before on the grounds of his background so I have concerns why he hasn't taken that and taken the chance then!! I have no doubt he has good intentions, however there are huge gaps in activity on his part, it is sporadic!! This is not something I feel I can decide on positively until I see more productive edits from him!! Is this something we can hold back for a while until we see more?? SunXia   (Chat)  05:37, August 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * While you hold some valid points, I just want it put out there that I have never nominated myself for a position on the Committee before. At least, not to my recollection. I looked in the archives and could not find it. Ten Tailed Fox   (Talk with me) 11:58, August 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was referencing this!! I understand what you have written and that's grand but we already enforce our policies too!! The proects are our main concern right now is what I'm trying to say, working on things already listed in the projects is very important!! SunXia   (Chat)  12:21, August 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see it now. I wrote that awhile back, so I had completely forgotten I had done so. Thanks for linking it. And I will be working very extensively on the already listed projects; namely the Fight Summary and you have suggested the Image Project. So yes, I will have involvement in those. Ten Tailed Fox   (Talk with me) 12:33, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Well, everything that needs to be said has been said. Can't really cast a supporting vote until I see more of your edits. Though i'm glad that you plan to help out, and I look forward to seeing you on the site.

I am also neutral. Despite not having interacted with Ten Tailed Fox before, I cannot give a supporting or opposing vote yet. I was not involved in the discussion for his previous nomination, but it definitely seems that examples of his edits and activeness are the key things that must be considered. So, it looks like the current Committee consensus is to take a "wait and see" stance before proceeding any further. -Mr. N <font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">(Discuss)   03:35, August 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you all need any true proof of the quality of my edits, the entire Yushima page was written by me, references and all. And I added the pictures, though I did not upload them. Godisme and one other user had to clean up a few things, but nothing major. I know this may not immediately sway you to vote for or against, but I thought I'd at least present this. <font color="#008080" face="Verdana">Ten Tailed Fox  <font color="#FF0000" face="Verdana"> (Talk with me) 06:14, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Ten Tailed Fox's renomination
It's been a little over two weeks since Ten Tailed Fox's initial nomination and he has now renominated himself. Everyone please cast your vote. I support the nomination. You have alot of experience on many different wikis, you've helped out quite a bit here in the recent weeks, and you seem to have a grasp on our policies.

I am neutral on the nomination still. While Ten has been making good edits, I am not sure if he is all that familiar with all of the policies around here. Yes, his edits are good but you don't need to be on the committee to make good edits. While we do a lot of the editing around here, the point of the committee is not only to aid in the addition of content through the projects but also to help enforce the policies around here. I do not see Ten as having fully grasped all of these policies yet and he has had edits undone of late concerning adding something to Kugo's article that he was told was not going to be added yet. I won't oppose the nomination but I cannot support it right now.--

I´m not going to remain neutral on this for long, just for now until I get off this island off the side of Africa!! I know I will perhaps be more inclined to support this but I would just like to wait until I get home and get a chance to look over the nomination as I am on a Spanish computer waiting for my flight back to Eire!! My holiday´s almost over and I can´t find Tildes on this keyboard, blast, so I will be using the unsigned templated until I get back!!

I am going to remain neutral (for now). I haven't had much opportunity recently to look at TenTailedFox's edits (after the initial nomination), so I canot comment on his familiarity with policies or his edits' quality. I am going to get back on my vote after looking at his more recent edits (which may not come immediately since I have 2 exams in about a week, as of this post). I will say that he is a strong candidate since he seems to have worked on a variety of different wiki sites. -<font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">Mr. N <font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">(Discuss)  17:58, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to support this!! I've had time to think and well Ten Tailed has done nothing wrong so to speak and we have had worse candidates!! If all else fails we can always request demotion but I don't think he's the type to abuse power and we've really fallen behind as a team at the minute due to various real life issues!! SunXia  (Chat)  23:50, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Alright, I have managed to take a look at TenTailedFox's edits (after his initial nomination). I think I can go ahead and give tentative support (which is more bordering on the side of neutral honestly, since I still am working on my assessment of him). His edits do seem to match the prerequisite quality for a Committee member, although he may still need time to be fully familiar with policies. I do agree with SunXia's comment on how the Committee has currently fallen behind due to various real life issues. TenTailedFox's addition (thereotically) ought to help get things moving again if he is added to the Committee; and as SunXia said, requesting demotion is an option should there be problems. -<font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">Mr. N <font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">(Discuss)   00:53, September 19, 2011 (UTC)