Forum:Yammy Llargo

This forum is for discussing anything relating to the 10th/0th Espada, Yammy Riyalo. There are already a number of existing topics, but feel free to add new ones if what you want to discuss is not related to the existing posts. Do not create new topics about Yammy outside of this page. --Yyp 14:45, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Existing Yammy Riyalo Topics
The following topics are existing discussions that were merged into this page. They are still active and anyone may post in them. --Yyp 14:45, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Can Byakuya and Kenpachi beat Yammy?
Now I know this is kind of a stupid question, but do you guys think Kenpachi and Byakuya alone will be able to beat Yammy? And if so, do you think Kenpachi will learn the name of his Zanpakuto?--Moe1216 21:45, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

I think that both of them can kill Yammy, plus they also have some help left in Hueco Mundo, Mayuri is there too, plus they have Isane who can heal everyone that got hurt bad earlier. now about the second part, will Kenpachi learn his zanpaktou's name... this is a question that people have been asking on this site for a while now. Still no real answers. He probably will learn his zanpaktou's name eventually, not sure when, i hope he gets whispers from it during this fight with Yammy, that would be perfect. ONe thing i wanna know about is, is Inoue going back to the real world with Ichigo and Unohana? It would be useless if she didn't go help heal people and play her part in the fake Karakara town. Bk1217 21:53, October 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it's kind of BS about that whole "You wouldn't be able to significantly help any of the Gotei 13". Ichigo is at least as strong as Byakuya and Kenpachi, and in his second hollow form he's probably stronger than any of them except possibly Yamamoto. I mean, Ichigo went through about 2 and a half of the Espada (one of whom nobody knew about his stronger form), while the Captains had to team up and still had trouble with the other Espada. I have to think that Byakuya was just giving Ichigo an excuse to go protect Karakura. Glorious  CHAOS!  22:07, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Karasu Inoue 21:15, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
 * ahem* I think he said that just motivate Ichigo to go to FKT.

yeah i wrote a couple posts about Ichigo, stating facts that he was the ONLY shinigami to defeat more then one Espada. Ichigo is by far the strongest among "most" of the Gotei 13, he would definitely lose to Shunsui =) and Unohana, and the Captain Commander. I think it is part Byakuya pushing Ichigo to help in the real world, but also part of Byakuya's arrogance, and how he loves to preach that he is the strongest, and everyone else has to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are an equal or else he turns his nose at them.  like i said earlier i just hope that Inoue goes to help as well.Bk1217 22:13, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Well, the most recent chapter shows that Mayuri has managed to open a Garganta & Ichigo & Unohana will be the first two to go. Orihime still has to heal Uryu, Chad, Renji, & Rukia. So Orihime has her hands full at the moment. Isane is staying so she does have some help. No one knows where Hanataro is. Eitherway Unohana will be able to help Hiyori. Now for Yammy. I don't see how Yammy is going to beat Kenpachi & Byakuya. He hit Kenpachi as hard as he could & even with Kenpachi not paying attention he still wasn't hurt. So the real question is not Can Byakuya & Kenpachi beat Yammy. Its can Yammy beat Kenpachi & Byakuya. Minato88 22:49, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

i think they cn, as kempachi is knwn to ave the most retsu in sul society, and the other captain has sembozakura kagoyoshi, with millions of pettals/blades and 2 ote forms, it is no dougt that they will win, and also yami's size is actually a disadvantege as he is jut giving them a bigger target, he can't runas fst as them since he has more of him to move, while the captains have more spead than yami and smaller,ita almost like a dumb wited human against a dwe ants, sure the ants have a high chanec of getting squshed, butthat is bcause in ral life the ants have little or no brains while we humans do, so the situation is almost reversed as smart ants against a dumb human

Looks like they are going to have to beat him. Unohana is leaving, Ichigo is leaving. So unless Kenpachi, Byakuya and Kenpachi find a way to defeat Yammy, it'll be bye, bye captains. I mean, the only people left are Ishida and Orihime. So... Tinni 07:46, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

man, what are you even thinking kenny cut a dame leg of his with his eye-pach on easyly, i think kenny got stronger after the fight he had with Ichigo, i think he've been at least working his sword and not hurting it. he tanked his punch like it was nothing, kenny is toying with him, can't you see that, and do i really need to say much more about Byakuya? ofcouse no! --Ace 10:42, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Captain Kuchiki can take a nap. Zaraki can just keep cutting off limbs until Yammy is helpless, then cut his head off while he's helpless. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 22:12, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Tbh I don't understand when people are thinking that Yammy is weak because Kenpachi cut off one of his legs so easily. You gotta admit it, Kenpachi sneak attacked Yammy, and we have seen pretty often that surprise attacks seem to do much more damage than normal head-to-head attacks in bleach. It might be that Yammy didn't focus his hierro to his legs at that moment, and that was why his leg was chopped off. Normally he can see where enemys are hitting him and can concentrate his hierro into that area, I think. It has been shown many times that anticipated attacks do less damage than unexpected attacks, even if they are not blocked or dodged at all. --Akeki 22:55, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * @ Akeki, u can't focus a Hierro, its always on & at full strength. A Hierro is their skin. They can focus their spiritual pressure to lessen damage & strengthen there defense. Minato88 23:27, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think people are getting confused because Nnoitra was so hard to cut. But Nnoitra's big thing was his hierro, that was his strongest feature. Compared to him, everybody else has been easier to cut. So when Yammy's leg got cut as easily as hot knife through butter, it's natural for people to go "he's weak!" but that really is not the case. His hierro is weaker then Nnoitra but then so was everybody else. Includes Starrk, Harribel and Ulquoirra (Barragan wasn't really cut). So, I agree that his leg getting sliced off is no sign of his strength. Tinni 23:26, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

i think that Kenpachi and Byakuya can beat Yammy. first off they both seem to have improved, or at least kenpachi, because kenpachi was able to cut off one of Yammy's legs while Ichigo was only able to hardly cut Yammy. it is a possibility that Yammy's legs are weaker than his neck, but still. also there are many other people there as well like Mayuri.

Now that you noticed, you're right. I completely forgot about Mayuri. He has been studying in Granz's lab all this time so he might have learned how to find a weakness in Yammy's rise in power. The guy is scary smart so I don doubt he will come up with something, despite Byakuya and Kenpachi's pride probably refusing the help.--Moe1216 13:28, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Mayuri doesn't have to do anything fancy. He just as to get some of his poison into Yammy. I don't think even Yammy can pummel Konjiki Ashisogi Jizō fast enough to stop himself from inhaling a fatal dose of poison. I was hoping for Minazuki vs Yammy, you know, monster against monster but now that I think about it, both Byakuya and Mayuri has BIG bankais. So either of those would be able to stand-up to Yammy. Tinni 14:46, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Does it even matter if Yammy's hierro is really weak or not? Unless he can regenerate like Ulquiorra, he's suffered a crippling injury. He can't use his strength with only one leg, and Ichigo was able to throw the hulkingly strong Yammy earlier anyway. I think he's already dead, it'll just take time for the blood to run out. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 16:10, October 31, 2009 (UTC)


 * Five legs. Yammy had six legs total, Kenpachi cut one off. He has legs to spare ^.^ Tinni 16:15, October 31, 2009 (UTC)


 * Crippling? Hardly - he was still able to hit Zaraki and then turn around and punch the area where Zaraki was. And in case you hadn't noticed, Yammy has between 8 and 12 legs, depending on which page you look at, and how many KT could fit in given the angle of some of them (See here:, and ). Also, since when has a Bleach character ever bleed to death. There are fountains of blood galore at times. Yammy is fine at this point. Though Mayuri could paralyze him with his shikai or poison him to death with his bankai. I hope to see Byakuya being smart and attacking Yammy's huge eyes. --Yyp 16:17, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Now that would be a smart move. I am wondering if Yammy has any special ability in his released form. All we have seen is a display of physical power. I mean, yeah he is the "cero" Espada (if that actually exists), but he should still have some kind of special ability. Starrk sould do soul seperation, Baraggan could control time, Harribel water, Ulquiorra lanza del relampago and resurrecion segunda etapa, Nnoitra his six scythes, Grimmjow's desgarron, etc.--Moe1216 20:08, October 31, 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't know how I missed the multiple legs. I noticed Zaraki getting beat up, but that happens to him in every battle anyway.

As for abilities, I bet his "soul drinking" ability will actually be useful in this form. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 20:29, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Ya mean "Gonzui?" Possible, but it can be resisted by those with spiritual pressure.--Moe1216 20:48, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe not Gonzui as it was when he used it in his first appearance, but I expect him to have some variation on it. Many Arrancar have a special ability/characteristic when unreleased that is just a teaser for their released power (see Ulquiorra's eyeball regeneration, Baraggan breaking Soifon's shoulder, Harribel's Projectile Azul). Yammy will likely have either a more powerful Gonzui or some sort of twist on it. --Yyp 20:55, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Good point, though if I may ask, why didn't he use it on Renji, Chad, and Rukia when they fought? I am not saying that you are wrong, but he seems like the guy who hits hard first than waiting for the right moment to use his power, but who's to say?--Moe1216 21:11, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Well, from the looks of it, he had absolutely no trouble whatsoever with those three, so there was no need to. Just hitting them was good enough to beat the trio. Plus if we take what he said about reaching his full power by eating & resting, then it is likely that (at this moment in time) he is at full capacity and thus wouldn't benefit from using it on them. BTW, since we never got to see them fighting, for all we know, he might have used it (unlikely though). --Yyp 21:20, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

How do we know Yammy didn't use his Gonzui on them(this is assuming the Gonzui did indeed increase in power). He defeated all 3 of them with no trouble & very quickly. That would be a devastating ability. If Yammy starts to tire he can just renergize himself by sucking huge amounts of spirit particles & the spiritual pressure of his opponents thereby weakening them & strengthening himself. That would be cool. Minato88 22:01, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

That would be cool, but it would give him too much of an advantage, wouldn't you say?--Moe1216 02:51, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but he is supposed to be the Zero Espada; & he had better show us something amazing or i'm gonna be pissed that Starrk & Baraggan were dethroned by a weakling. Besides many of the Espada had their claim to fame, Nnoitra had the hardest Hierro, Zommari was the best with Sonido(Supposedly), Ulquiorra had healing abilities, Starrk was the best with Ceros, Szayel was the smartest, Aaroneiro could evolve infinitely, & Baraggan was untouchable. So since he is the only Arrancar to use the Gonzui tech, i'm guessing that is his claim. BTW, do u have any speculation about what Grimmjow's & Hallibel's specialties were? Minato88 05:46, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Grimmjow's was most likely close-range combat and Harribel's was true mastery over her element.--Moe1216 15:16, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Reading that made me think of something. Starrk could split his soul, Barragan Baraggan was untouchable - an upgraded Gonzui (in addition to his obviously immense physical strength) would make a good reason as to why he is ranked above them. If done right, it could be a suitable counter to both of those guys. Just a though. --Yyp 11:37, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

lol... I was just thinking... Think, what would happen to Kenpachi if he used Gonzui on him, or if Yumichika used his true shikai on kenpachi... As he has so much spiritual energy, I think that he'd just continue fighting after that. Firelake 1 November 2009, 13.16 (UCT)

something else i noticed is that when ichigo is defeated by Ulquiorra in chapter 271 Ulquiorra says that there are three more espada stronger than him which would most likely be Harribel,Baraggan, and starrk.Darkdude222 17:32, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, well you can twist those words around a fair bit (and many people do). And I guess his words are somewhat open to interpretation. I have seen people saying that he could have been referring to Yammy, Starrk & Baraggan (this comes from there being many who believe that Harribel is weaker than Ulquiorra's Ressurecion secunda etapa). --Yyp 17:59, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

It's Starrk, Baraggan, and Harribel. Anyone who says differently is twisting it up, cause Ulquiorra never said even in his second resurrecion he was stronger than the TOP 3. Plus, from what we have seen those three do, I don't see why Ulquiorra would be considered stronger even with a second form.

Also, anybody want to guess what the weakness for Yammy's release is? Minato88 says it was a drop in speed and a time limit.--Moe1216 19:41, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Yammy's Arrancar Number?
I've been thinking about Yammy for a while now. Is it possible his Arrancar number is 10. When he first introduces himself to Toshiro he doesn't say he's an Espada. In fact, at no time during his entire appearence does he ever state he is the tenth Espada. I also just rewatched episode 146 & Nel states that all Numeros are identifiable by 2 digit numbers(though she did use the number 11 as an example). This would mean that the Espada would have to be numbered 0-9. I'm just wondering what some of u others think? Minato88 20:02, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

I think Yammy once said, "Who says the Espada go/run from 1-10?"

I'm pretty sure it was in the chapter he released his Resurrección. Animeluvr92 21:35, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Yeh I'm fairly sure that he's only an Espada when he releases, but he gets the number 10 because he's weaker then all the others when he's unreleased. Until we get further confirmation though, it's all a bit speculative. BollyW 06:01, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

are you retarded?? When Yammy fights Toshiro Hitsugaya, he says he is the tenth espada. go to http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/230/14/

Instead of just insulting people, perhaps you should spend time reading what you link. "I'm a 10 too, arrancar diez, Yammi". That's Arrancar 10, NOT tenth Espada. (you can sign your posts by putting 4 ~ in a row) BollyW 07:00, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

In Luppi's attack, they said the attack force consisted of four Espada-class beings, Yammy's on the shot of all the Espada ( http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/File:Espada_Group_(Rank_Arrangement).png ), Yammy's at the Espada council which Aizen greets with, "Greetings, my Espada". Yea, he's an Espada. He might possibly have the job only because of his release, but still, he's considered an Espada all the time. ZeroSD 11:47, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

I agree, he's treated as an Espada, because of his release, however he hasn't ever introduced himself as the tenth Espada. That's all I'm saying. BollyW 20:48, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

No he did introduce himself as the tenth espada, to Toshiro Hitsugaya. Someone above reported this correctly, but in a really rude way. Nonetheless, it's true, at least in the anime. (I haven't read that manga chapter.) In the manga, he reveals his number changes. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 01:26, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

It is true. Yammy Rialgo only says he is Arrancar Diez Yammy. Diez meaning ten, he never addressed himself as the tenth Espada. Only Arrancar ten Confirmed in both Manga, and Anime. In the Manga he says he is the only Espada whose rank changes, and he is the zero Espada. He hasn't said he is Espada 0 in the anime, because the anime hasn't reached that point yet. Codyage 03:48, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

I have just watched ep 138 in english & japanese & Yammy introduces himself as Arrancar 10(not the tenth espada), though I haven't checked the Manga. I was just asking if some of u thought his number is 10. Grimmjow is Arrancar # 12, Shawlong is 11, Poww is 32, ect. I posted this forum to see what some of u other bleach fans thought about this. Minato88 05:37, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

He never introduces himself as Espada 10. Or Tenth Espada. The page that was linked to, if you open it, has Yammy saying "I'm a ten too, Arrancar Diez (10)". NOT Espada. In the anime, he says the same thing. BollyW 10:06, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, he pretty much introduces himself as "Arrancar Diez", meaning "Arrancar #10". He actually never referred to himself as the 10th Espada in the Manga or Anime, as it was verbally misinterpreted by everyone. Toshiro immediately points out that being Arrancar #10 makes Yammy an Espada, which Yammy retorts "Whatever loser you killed must have had a big mouth." Yes, he confirms that he's an Espada, but he never actually said that he was the 10th Espada. DragonBlade302 16:59, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Am I the only one who remembers that Grimmjow introduced himself as Arrcanar #6? He never said sixth Espada until he got his rank back. Also what number is Yammy's tattoo? 10. The only reason he is even 0 is because the dude's a damn glutton.--Moe1216 04:05, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

What the Espada were was not revealed until after Grimmjow introduced himself. So it was probably only to avoid confusion before Shawlong told Hitsugaya what the Espada were. BollyW 04:14, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Moe1216 what does Yammys Espada number 0 have to do with the word gluttony? To answer your question no, u aren't the only one here who remembers Grimmjow introducing himself as Arrancar 6. However, he said this before Shawlong mentioned the existence of the Espada. Yammy unreleased has the # 10, released the # changes to 0. Like Yammy, Grimmjow has 2 numbers. They are Espada # 6 & Arrancar # 12. However his tattoo doesn't change. Minato88 04:20, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

He only got that boost in power from eating and sleeping like crazy. That's why I called him a glutton. Most likely, all this is Yammy's ability. His original rank is 10, but unlike the others, he can rise in ranks by storing power from eating and sleeping. Once he releases, his rank will change based on the amount he had absorbed, so he could have even held the 1 rank if he hadn't eaten enough and it will cancel out when it runs out. Plus, none of the Numeros have tattoos. The tattoos only appear on Arrancar 1 to 10, the Espada. Plus, no Espada referred to him/herself using their Numeros number. That would be too confusing.--Moe1216 04:28, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

I was reading older chapters, and found this: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/209/04/ Shawlong states clearly that espada have numbers "from one to ten". Allso, he refers that only arrancar 11 and above are numbered by birth order, and allso that only arrancars created by hougyoku are numbered this way. What do you think of this? Akeki 09:35, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

I think I trust Yammi, the 10th arrancar and Cero Espada on the subject of Espada numbers then I trust Shawlong, who is merely the 6th Espada's fraccion. That's not to say that I believe Yammi completely, just that I think his words carry more weight than Shawlong's, who would hardly know the inner workings of the Espada. BollyW 10:59, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Thank u for all of your replies. I guess we'll just have to wait & see if Kubo releases any of the Espadas numeros numbers. Minato88 14:54, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

You know, I didn't want to start a new thread, but some time ago, a thought occur. Is it possible that Aizen didn't tell the other Espada about Yammy's true power? I mean, Ulquiorra might have known, since he stopped Yammy from releasing in their first appearance, but I can't think of another reason of why Aizen would give him a false "10" tattoo over his true "0" tattoo. I mean, it's not like the tattoo was revealed in the Human World either. Arrancar109 05:26, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Here is my opinion. I trust Shawlong more than Yammy, because even Fraccion know how the army works. Second, Ulquiorra himself stated only three Espada were stronger than him and he is no liar. He has never lied but has given the brutal truth which makes his remarks sting all the more. Third, what about the dang gap in ranks!? If the ranks are what Yammy claims, then there is going to be a gap with no clear explanation of what the heck is going on! Where be the 10!? :_(. Fourth, why did Lilymette place so much emphasis on Starrk being the Primera? Unless it was the real top rank, Lilynette really had no reason for it. Last, why was it when Starrk died did Aizen say he was stronger than all of the Espada? Someone please respond to this. IT IS DRIVING ME NUTS.--Moe1216 02:18, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Dude, you can't take the word of a Fraccion above that of an espada. Yammy would know about his own power. More importantly that tattoo comes from Aizen himself. Aizen gave Yammy that changing tattoo for a reason. The reason why Aizen placed more important on Starrk, Barragan and Harribel is obvious enough. They are stable. Yammy is not. Plus Yammy just seem to be chaotic force of rage, while those other three had tactics and more controller personality types. So while Yammy may well be the most powerful espada in his released state, he clearly trash unreleased while the others are not, he lacks the finesse that Aizen would demand against opponents of the calibur of Kyoraku, Yamamoto etc. In fact, the present of Soifon alone is a good reason to not take Yammy with him to Fake Karakura. Yammy's side makes it difficult for him to manoeuvre and Soifon being extra small and not being averse to playing the mosquito, probably could just sneak behind Yammy and stab him behind the legs twice and bye, bye Yammy! I mean, nothing says Yammy's Heirro is particularly strong. Kenpachi cut of his leg WITH his eyepath on! Trust Kenpachi to find his eyepatach :D So long story short, I believe Yammy when he says he is the strongest but at the same time I can understand why Aizen didn't take him with him and didn't give him anything of importance to do. He's just a brute force, a blunt but very big and heavy hammer. He doesn't think and he doesn't even want to think. Which is why he kept asking Ulquoirra what to do when they first went to Karakura Town. He's all brawns and no brains. If he wins against Kenpachi and Byakuya, it would be because he overpowered them through brute force alone. Tinni 02:48, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Point taken Tinni, but I don't plan on doubting Shawlong til Yammy is dead and everything is explained. If the ranks are what Yammy says they are, then you can say "I told ya so Moe." It's just that there are too many contradicting things we have read and I can't truly make heads or tails of it. I know it's stupid, but it just bugs me.--Moe1216 02:55, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

I just thought it was a real plot twist. I mean, how many of you commented on that Yammy is still alive, but being the 10th Espada he's just garbage. That switch to 0 just really shook things up. I understand why Ulquiorra said there were only three before him, because, well.. there were. Yammy had to sleep, eat, and sleep some more for him to gather his power and Ulquiorra even stated that he still needed more rest and wouldnt of stood a chance against Yoruichi, Urahara etc in his current state. Like Tinni commented, Yammy is just a maniac filled with pure power and rage. Perhaps Aizen had left Yammy to continue to grow, but didnt know he had already reached his full power. Me personally, when he first showed up and transformed I was praying that Zaraki would show up, perhaps reveal his Zanpakuto's name and rock his ass. KamikazeNewf 15:00, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

I know it was a plot twist (and I hate to admit, but a good one), but I am with you Kamikaze on Kenpachi. He cut off a leg without any problem. Plus we may get to see hear the name of his zanpakuto. Wouldn't it get stronger by knowing it's name? If that does happen good bye Yammy. Also,because he has all that power now, wouldn't there be some kind of drawback to Yammy's release? That power can't last forever if it takes so long just to build it up, know what I mean? When you deal with large enemies like Yammy, they generally have some kind of weakness that can be exploited, like a time limit, lack of speed, or something like that.--Moe1216 19:38, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Well you saw a small part of his fight with Ichigo, he isn't exactly the speediest around. His reactions are good and his attacks are quick, but his actual body is pretty immobile with all those legs. That would be his main weakness, he won't be able to avoid either Kenpachi or Byakuya's bankai. BollyW 21:10, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Ulquiorra, Nnoitra, and Grimmjow obviously aren't at full strength when released. Ulquiorra has Segunda Etapa, Nnoitra has six arms, and Grimmjow has Desgarròn. Aaroniero can never be at full strength when released. He ate 33,650 hollow and their are a million times more hollow than just that. The only way he could be at full strength is if he ate every single one, even the other Espada. Zommari and Szayel Aporro, well, Zommari is at full strength when ALL of his eyes are open including on his forehead, and Szayel Aporro needs to get "eaten" over and over again since he is stronger each time he uses Gabriel. Harribel was never seen using Hierro, and Aizen somehow killed her in her released state (everything about an Arrancar is supposed to be stronger when he or she releases his or her zanpakutō. I don't know about Baraggan, and Starrk is possibly at full strength with the wolves. Also, if Lilynette died before Starrk tried to use his Resurreción, nothing will happen. So, I possibly just proved that none of the other Espada aren't at full strength when released.Lazer81095 00:10, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

OK I think you're confusing "being at full strength" and "using more powerful attack". The thing is, their releases, all the ones you mentioned above, allow them to use their most powerful attacks, thus they are at full strength. Their speed is greatest, their defence is greatest and their strength is all greatest, the only thing they gain that they don't automatically use is their abilities. Every single Espada you mention, except Ulquiorra, gets those things you said because of their release, so Nnoitra gains four arms, even if he doesn't immediately use them, when he does he is at full strength, and he's released so therefore he's at full strength when released. Grimmjow is, just cos he didn't use his most powerful attack, that's like saying that Byakuya isn't at full strength whenever he doesn't use his Final scene, white imperial blade attack in bankai, that isn't how it works. Harribel barely fought so naturally you didn't see her hierro, and Aizen we all know, is very strong so it's hardly surprising that he should defeat her effortlessly. You seem to be overthinking it a bit... BollyW 08:55, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Anybody want to guess what Yammy's weakness is? I want to hear your opnions so please don't hesitate.--Moe1216 20:13, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

I think he has two. The first his his massive size makes him a slow & easy target. Since his Hierro doesn't seem to be as strong as Nnoitras he is indeed an easy target. The second his his form itself. Being so massive he must be naturally exerting massive amounts of spirit pressure & I speculate he won't be able to maintain his resurrecion for too much longer. Minato88 22:04, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Is Yammy's release forbidden?
As it has been stated the espada above 4 releases are forbiddon when yammy releases he's above 4 so isn't it forbiddon for him to release? Please don't delete this I'm just trying to prove a point so please don't be a douche bag and delete this thanks

The thing is "We don't know." All we know is that he's the Cero Espada and that he has now grown to a gigantic size. Whether he is under the same constraints as the others is yet to be determined. We haven't been back at Las Noches yet and I doubt we are going to get there soon. I am sure Starrk's not dead yet and Harribel hasn't been shown continuing her fight. Plus there's the Tosen/Komamura/Hisagi fight that hasn't been seen yet. Until that happens, this question can't be answered.

Is he under the dome? If not, it's allowed. ZeroSD 12:11, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

He is under the dome, yes. Yammi is not the 0 Espada when unreleased - he is no.10. He only surpasses Ulquiorra's rank after releasing. On that basis, he is allowed to release under the dome.

But quite frankly, what does it matter whether or not he is allowed to release under the dome? At this point it has no significance, does it? He's doing it out of rage about Ulquiorra's death etc, not as an act of open rebellion or general disobedience. --Yyp 13:07, September 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I second this. We have no way of knowing if Yammy is forbidden or not. Ulquiorra said "espada 4 and above" are forbidden because the act of releasing itself can destroy the dome. Yammy is 10 before release. So perhaps that means his act of releasing wouldn't destroy the dome. However, he and Ulquiorra do appear to have been friends and as such he's fighting in a rage over the loss of his friend. So even if it was forbidden for him to release, he wouldn't have paid it any mind. Tinni 13:25, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

It very well has some significance. First, they weren't allowed to release because of the power of the releases. I mean you have seen the top 4 in action right? Their powers would decimate Las Noches. Yammy releasing inside the dome breaks the rule Aizen placed on them. This makes me doubt this 0 Espada crap. Honestly, 0 is not a rank. Yammy's true rank is 10, that's it. It's not 0 because he only got that high because he has been eating and absorbing energy like Aaroniero does. So thee restriction doesn't apply to Yammy because 0 is not his rank, he is just dumb enough to believe it himself.--Moe1216 13:52, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Yammy Cero Oscuras?
OK in the new chapter his Cero was black but then again the manga is in black & white so it could be anything what do you guys think? (You too Salubri)--Kisukeiscool100396 19:53, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

I am so happy u posted this & I hope more users will read & post their comments on this page. Because Yammy tried to launch a black cero, many now believe it to be the same that Ulquiorra used; EVENTHOUGH Ulquiorra could launch it immediately & Yammy needs to charge it. Now they want to post the Cero Oscuras as all the Espada can use it, (again) EVENTHOUGH known of them did use it when they HAD PLENTY OF CHANCES. Still, for the sake of playing along lets say it is the Cero Oscuras. I still believe it isn't, but may I point out that Yammy & Ulquiorra kinda have a apprentice & master relationship. So if that is the case(which I doubt it is)isn't it possible Ulquiorra taught him the Cero Oscuras. Minato88 21:53, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

i think its was a Cero Oscras, and as for why the other espada never used it KT might not have thought of it or just didn't want to use itKensei24 22:00, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

First up, thank u Kensei24 for your response. There is alot of debate on this subject & IT WOULD BE NICE IF MORE USERS WOULD RESPOND. Minato88 20:22, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

haha ok I'll bite. I don't think it was a cero oscuras, Ulquiorra is the only one ever seen using a cero oscuras, the others all have either a basic cero with a different colour, or a gran rey cero, or another variant, like Starrk or Nel. Just because it was a dark colour doesn't automatically make it an oscuras. As for your reasoning Kensei, I find it rather a stretch that all the Espada had such a powerful cero variant at their disposal and 'didn't feel like' using it. It hardly makes any sense. I think that cero oscuras is exclusively Ulquiorra's power. BollyW 22:33, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

I'm with Bolly on this one. Plus, wouldn't Starrk have used it? I mean he, according to popular belief, is the one who is most proficient when it comes to the use of Cero.--Moe1216 04:46, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes I think cero classification is a little annoying. Each character seems to have his 'own' cero that everyone can use. Like Gran Rey Cero, only Grimjow out of all the Espada even tries to use it despite all having the ability. I was expecting the top 3 to pull a G.R.C. out of the bag and cause some super damage but no. Stark uses a cero gun. Barragan is too kingly to be caught using a cero. Tia used a wide arc cero which was cool, but no Gran Rey Cero. Then there is Cero Oscuras, Mr. 4 himself causes a controversy of whether all Espada in their released states (Such as Yammy is now) or if it was strictly his cero. Ashido 47 17:26, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

I would say Yammy's Cero in Resurrección is simply a Cero with a special color that makes it look like a technique we have seen before when it really isn't. --Gold3263301 22:47, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

PWND!!!!
I'm sorry, but I have to say this. Cero Espada!? The dude couldn't handle Ichigo without his mask! Seriously. Wow, he beat Chad, Renji, and Rukia. They are SO powerful (sarcasm). Please. This proves the Cero Espada is nothing, but a hoax. I'm sorry if this pisses anyone off and I hope others will give their opinions on this.--Moe1216 03:17, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Nothing but a hoax? Yammy's not done yet. I am betting he didn't suffer any damage from Ichigo's attack. All it did was throw him to the ground. And I bet that it's going to make him angry. Perhaps he'll turn out to be the Incredible Hulk: the angrier he gets, the stronger and bigger he becomes (ripoff). In the coming chapters, I predict that Ichigo is going to lose the will to fight and get his ass kicked repeatedly by Yammy until everyone is saved by Unohana. (I hope because I want to see her fight finally)

Also give the others credit where credit is due. Renji has bankai, Chad defeated a privaron espada and Rukia killed the 9th espada. They aren't weaklings. It's just that they have been overwhelmed by the giant (censored). --Shinitenshi 04:34, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

As much as I would like it to be over already because I just want to go back to Fake Karakura Town where the real action is taking place, I doubt it very much. Yammy should go for another chapter yet. Maybe even 3 more. Don't get me wrong, I won't be upset if this is the end of Yammy but Ulqouirra fight left a lot of unresolved emotional issues with Ichigo and we got a hint of that this chapter. It is best that they get resolved here in Heuco Mundo because I for one don't like the idea of Ichigo carrying those baggages into Fake Karakura Town. I also wonder where the captains are. We'll find out all in good time I guess. Tinni 05:14, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

i just hope Yammy get really pissed after being fliped by Ichigo, then get more powerfull either by rageing or suking power from the land. then kick ichigo butt, that is when ichigo hollow takes over and finish yammy like if he was nothing with a 2nd hollow full carged Tensa Zangetsu, the end --Ace 08:13, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Aizen said as he left Heuco Mundo to go to Karakura Town that Ulquiorra was to watch over Las Noches. i don't think that Yammy is very important. if yammy was truly the 0 espada Aizen would have thken him too Karakura Town. you don't leave your most powerful soldier on the sidelines. yammy's power is that he is big but he is stupid. at most Yammy is a deley. Darkgoku 08:51, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

-Also give the others credit where credit is due. Renji has bankai, Chad defeated a privaron espada and Rukia killed the 9th espada. They aren't weaklings. It's just that they have been overwhelmed by the giant (censored).- While that's true, so far he doesn't strike me as as impressive as Starrk, Barragan, or some of the others yet. I do hope he has more. ZeroSD 12:14, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Jus wondering, you guys remember Ichigo's first battle with Ulquiorra? His rank got revealed and said that there were only three sronger than him. It's not that I doubt Yammy, it's just that this supposed Cero thing is a little far-fetched if you know what I mean, and his rank is 10 while sealed. Ranks count for both sealed and released power. Why is it okay to think "oh his rank changed when he released, maybe that is his real rank?" It makes no sense to me. It also throws off the ranking system, as in 0-9 for Espada and 11-99 for the Numeros. WHERE BE THE 10!! My brain can't handle that!!--Moe1216 12:44, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

I agree, Yammy holding two ranks in the Espada is crazy. I am also upset about not getting to see Rukia, Renji, & Chad fight against Yammy(Damn U Kubo). I wanted to see this fight & wanted to see if Yammy can live up to his rank as the Zero Espada. Plus I am so sick of seeing Ichigo fight. If he beats Yammy that means he will have defeated three Espada by himself. Minato88 19:29, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Ahh I like watching Ichigo fight, and I'm excited by this new development. He is the main character after all, there's not much point in watching if you're sick of him I think. And three Espada is all well and good but we all know that whoever defeats Aizen gets the real kudos. BollyW 21:29, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

is he in full control because his eyes are still white not black with his new mask onKensei24 21:31, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Come on Bolly, we all know that ICHIGO will be the one who miraculously defeats Aizen. It will be a long & brutal battle in which Ichigo will receieve help, most likely from Chad or Rukia or even Uryu &/or Orihime. This battle will probably last 4-to-8 episodes in which Ichigo will struggle every step of the way & might even be beaten so badly that Aizen will actually think hes dead. In which case Ichigo will rise up & beat him. Thus far most of the Arrancars(With the exception of Starrk)who have died, have been beaten mostly cause of their arrogance. Not because their opponents were better. I also misworded my last comment. I didn't mean to say I'm sick of seeing Ichigo all together. What I really meant to say is that I'm sick of watching Ichigo fight & kill off all of the Espada. We got tons of other characters(Yamamoto, Jushiro, Unohana, Shunsui's Bankai, More of Ikkakus Bankai, Isane Kotetsu, Nanao Ise, Tetsuzaemons Zanpakutos name, Kisuke, Yoruichi, Tessai & the list goes on)that we know next to nothing about. Damn it Kubo, give them some action already. Minato88 21:42, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Yeh I'm fairly indifferent to that, I'd rather see Urahara or Shinji do it but I won't complain if it's Ichigo as long as, at the very end Aizen knows he's about to die. That's what will make that fight satisfying to me regardless of who the other combatant is. Well yeh you have a point, there are others to see fight but really, of those you listed the only ones who could combat an Espada are Yama, Ukitake, Kyoraku, Unohana, Yoruichi Tessai and Urahara. Yama is...doing nothing and I really don't know why. Kyoraku has fought, admittedly no bankai which is disapointing, Ukitake is out, Unohana is a bit of a pacifist and noone knows where Yoruichi, Tessai and Urahara actually are so it's a bit of a moot point. As for Hueco Mundo, Byakuya is still injured as is Zaraki and Unohana is healing them. Mayuri has found Szayzels specimen collection so he isn't leaving there for pretty much any reason. So when you look at it like that, Ichigo is the only one around with the power to kill Yammi, the last Espada. BollyW 22:03, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Good point. With that, I am also looking forward to Ichigos fight with Yammy. I know alot of users around here seem to greatly dislike Yammy(for whatever reason) & most(me included if he disappoints)don't like the fact he holds the title for most powerful Espada. I really hope he doesn't disappoint us, Hes one of the Espada I really like, ranking number three behind Starrk & Nnoitra. Minato88 22:19, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Well he isn't looking too good at the moment, but I have hopes that he'll last at least another two chapters. I think his real problem is going to be speed, he just doesn't look fast enough to fight Ichigo's bankai, and their initial scuffle seems to agree with this, Ichigo easily dodges his massive swings. But he would hardly be the top ranked Espada if he was that slow as it is such a big weakness to have. BollyW 22:25, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Man I hope Ichigo kick's his oversized butt to the curb. I am tired of the fatty and I don't care who kills him. Plus, he does not deserve the title of the strongest Espada. That should go to Coyote Starrk and Lilynette Gingerback the Primera Espada. They severely damaged three Captain level Shinigami, two who were Vizard, before losing and had Kyoraku not arrived, Rose and Love might have died. Plus, the dude was smart and humble. He even used Kyoraku's own power against him. How can that not qualify as awesome and deserving of the strongest? I know figuring it out doesn't meaan anything, but you know what I mean.--Moe1216 00:14, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

As much as Yammy doesn't deserve his Cero ranking (it should of been Starrk), this decision makes sense storyline wise. This late in the game, Yammy would look to weak to be a threat to anyone (considering the other Espada were killed off before him), so TK made him change rank just to be in the considerable strength of Ichigo. Why would anyone be afraid of Yammy if one of his opponents (Rukia) already killed off an Espada ranked higher than him (Aaroniero sp?)? Besides, Yammy and Ulquiorra being the last of Ichigo's Espada opponents would be a perfect way to finish the Espada, since they were the first ones introduced. -- TheDivineOne --

This chapter actually confused me at first, since 377 made it seem like Ichigo was on his was to FKT. I think it'll be really lame if Tite ignores the time difference and has Ichigo show up just in time anyway. But that's a digression. I have to say, I'm not overly interested in watching Yammy fight. He's always seemed like a throw-away character to me. All the same, I think it'll be strange if Ichigo can beat him just by using his Bankai and Vizard mask (even if it is "new"), considering he couldn't take on Ulquiorra (that totally does not count as a real win). Twocents 05:10, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

What if Ichigo's current strength is the same as when "he beat" ulquiorra in that second hollow form which would explain how he's beating yammy and we all know what Renji's bankai can do so it does say something about Yammy's power, and I really don't think that ichigo has the right to kill Aizen it's definitely Shinji with some other guys and maybe Yamamoto.--SalmanH 05:58, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Actually the time difference is something only occurring to us as readers in this battle its all happening within a matter of minutes, from the time that Aizen arrives and the fights start we cant expect that each pillar guardian waited for one fight to be over before they started their respective fight. Thus all the fights were taking place at the same time so give or take no more then maybe a half hour to an hour has passed most likely. Whats occurring in Hueco Mundo is happening at the same time or for all we know could have already taken place and ichigo's arrival could be 5 mins earlier then he's expected. The time differences in bleach are the biggest issue in the series but the situation currently makes the case even stronger to determine what happens in what way. Now as far as Yammy is concerned I've said since he was named the so called Cero Espada that I find it hard to believe he is all strength and no intellect and its obvious that his power is nowhere near Starrk or Barragan he seems to just suck up souls and get big and strong. He is lacking in intellect and is berated and pushed around by other Espada and Arrancar. He was owned by Ichigo, Yoruichi, Urahara, Ishida. Each time was quite pathetic and 10 or 0 he has no real authority or power obviously as noticeably he was given no task or command on any incursion or otherwise someone else was always in charge. He is obviously the muscle of the group what will that mean probably nothing regardless of how he is defeated.Salubri 07:11, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Yammy's almost more of a siege engine than a warrior. I could picture him taking on a larger army than Barragan or Starrk could, it's just they have much more deadly skills in other ways. In raw power Yammy may be the most, but I'd still be more worried about the others. ZeroSD 11:44, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

FINALLY!!! More people are in on this. The siege engine actually makes sense. He seems more like the type who can handle armies of weaker foes, but against the stronger fighters like the Captains and Ichigo, he really doesn't stand a chance. Plus, Starrk and Barragan could take out armies faster than Yammy with those Reiastu Wolves and Respira.Yammy has nothing, but I woyuld at least like to know why Kubo has f***ed up the ranking system by making it 0-9 when it is meant to be 1-10. THIS ISN'T BAROQUE WORKS AND HE IS NO CROCODILE!Plus, as Salubri has pointed out, he is never given authority. If he was ranked 0, wouldn't that mean Ulquiorra would have taken orders from him during their time in the Living World?--Moe1216 15:07, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * No, because he was no.10 when he was in the real world. He is only Espada 0 when he is in his released form. And this is the first and only time we have seen him in this form - and thus with this higher rank. --Yyp 15:57, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

You know, I am sick of the espada just because there is nothing but speculation surrounding them and it seems we can't trust anything that's in the manga about them. Apparently the ranking means nothing because Ulquiorra had a second stage and Yammy changed ranks, whether any of them were vasto lords or not is up for endless debate. They were suppose to be super scary but because they were defeated they are supposedly all trash. Frankly I am sick of it all! I hate to say it but Kubo really has made a meal of the whole espada because right now I am just so confused that I just want Aizen to go into monologue mode and explain everything to me. I.e. how he choose his espada, if any of them were vasto lordes, what's up with Yammy etc, etc. Seriously, we shouldn't be this confused or have nothing but speculation when 9 our of 10 of them are already dead! Tinni 16:22, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if this is bothering ya Tinni. It's just that as humans, we can't help but desire to converse about our opinions and try to come up with solutions to stuff that bothers us to no end. We really know nothing now about the Espada's true powers as the ranking system has been thrown out of wack twice and it is really annoying and many of us are trying to find some way to make sense out of all this jumbled up mess called the Espada. I mean, ranks were used from the beginning, but lately we can't really count on them anymore. Are Ulquiorra and Yammy the strongest? If so then what would that make all the hype for the top three mean? There was nothing speical about them? Are Starrk, Barragan, and Harribel really worth mentioning anymore with these two supposedly overpowering them? We always relied on the system and now we have nothing, just a messed up jumble with the fatty and the nihilist emo being the supposed top dogs.--Moe1216 17:16, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not really bothering me because I can understand the confusion. What bothers me is that expectation of the espada and the arrancars in general seems to had hit such impossible heights that most people are being severely disappointed as one by one they are all being cut down. Right now everybody is saying there wasn't any vasto lord class arrancar in the espada AND talking up vasto lord class arrancars to impossible heights. Not that I care but it's kind of sad to see people set themselves up for disappointment because ultimately, unless Kubo plans on making Aizen win at the end of Bleach, how powerful could any antagonist possible be when they are destined to be defeated. To be pwned if you like. Tinni 00:55, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Like your use of word play Tinni. It's not that I want the antagonists to win, it's more like a battle a protagonist most truly suffer through and pull out all the stops is so much more satisfying to watch or read. Had Kyoraku used his Bankai against Starrk, I honestly wouldn't be dissatisfied as I am, because that meant that the Espada were actual considered threats, especially ones that made you think "Wow, even Kyoraku had to use Bankai to win? That's scary." I wanted Kyoraku to win. I honestly did, but I wanted a battle truly worthy of all the hype the two of them got, not just his shikai of games. That's what makes a good manga, even the strongest hero must suffer, sweat, and pore everything they have into a battle in order to succeed. Other than that, it kinda leaves ya wanting more than you were given.--Moe1216 02:32, October 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah but problem is that we knew nothing about Kyoraku's Shikai. Jumping to his bankai when we knew nothing of his shikai would have just made Kyoraku look weak and you have to say, as shikais go that was one messed-up shikai. IMO, Kubo tried to show Starrk was powerful by having him defeat Love and Rose together while those two had shikai + mask. Thus showing that Kyoraku with just his shikai > Love and Rose with shikai + mask. Which is why I was satisfied with that fight. I guess it would have been more convincing if Starrk beat either Love or Rose in Bankai, but poor Soifon now has to content with the label of "weak" because her bankai had limited effect on Barragan. So you know, Kubo can't win! :( Still, we do need some clarification for the espada. Aizen monologue time! Tinni 03:06, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

True about the Shikai part, but I wanted to see his bankai. It must be ungdoly strong if even Ukitake doesn't want him using it when others are around. Oh and OH YEAH!!!! TIME FOR THE ARROGANT BUM'S NEXT MONOLOGUE!! Seriously. I hope he does some explaining about what the heck is going on or better yet, what if Yammy's flash back reveals the truth? Maybe that will settle it.--Moe1216 03:49, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

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