Forum:The End?

Is anyone else a little disappointed about how the fight between Ulquiorra and Ichigos's inner hollow ended? They built up Ulquiorra so much, and while i think the inner hollow is epic and i was glad to ses it come back even better, i thought the fight would last longer than it did, especially with Ulquiora boasting regeneration. Am i alone in this? Does anyone feel like the inner hollow should be too powerful for ichigo to stop at this point? -Utae

Well we really don't know what ichigo is at this point i personally feel its more a vizard thing and as far as the inner hollow is concerned i really don't know what role it plays in the situation, but i must have some roll we dont really know yet. As for the fight i'am not really disappointed cause i saw it happening this way. Everyone was so pumped up on Ulquiorra and his supposed power they assumed he was going to be a harder opponent. I find the people who dont show off and and aren't arrogant about their power wont be that easy a win. He was cause he was both those things. Its like in the fight with grimmjaw they built that up to but it was longer, u knew grimmjaw was gonna lose but at least it had alot to it. The issue here is ichigo is getting stronger the more stronger the opponent he has to face. It doesnt help the Ulquiorra basically told what the fatal weakness of his regeneration ability was, he pretty much asked to get to destroyed after that literally all because he was arrogant and his pride wouldn't allow him to face the defeat from ichigo. Salubri 18:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, i dont know. Im pretty positive thats the inner hollow, theres a bunch of tells that were from ichigos hollow when the vaizard were fighting it.  plus its using a bunch of hollow abilities, and its incapable of speech, like the hollow from the vaizard fight.  then there's the fact that ichigo is basically dead, and would have no strength to repel it.  the huge hollow hole almost seals the deal for me, but i would be super surprised if that was ichigo, and not the hollow.  the grimmjow fight was kinda lame, because ichigo constantly gets his ass handed to him, but he three shots grimmjow (wut).  i also expected ulquiorra to lose, but it just seemed over so fast.  as epic as those last few panels were, i wish they didn't make him die with the same last words as rorschach (coincidence?). -Utae

What other different death conformation do you need that would be different than Noitras? He's dead. Accept this and let that last 3 espada get their asses handed to them.
 * See? Not dead.  I figured something was up with that "end". Utae 07:51, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

They'll be defeated by the captains soon enough. Also, not all Espada are overbearing. A few are overconfident. Dekoshu talk contrib 21:48, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Im pretty shure it wont be that simple. after all, Ichigo with his mask couldnt defeat the released 4th seat, and I'd put him with the mask on most likely around equal to Shunsui (the strongest captain next to the head captain) at full strength, mabie. and since the last 3 espada are probably all former lordes, and more powerful than Ulquiorra, and also most likely have secondary releases like Ulquiorra but just unknown to him. its pretty probable they will have their hands full with the remaining 3 espada. What I think will most likely happen is the vizards, who were prepareing for battle, will help out.--CloudHiro 08:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think Kubo would have made so that Ulquiorra is the only espada capable of resurrecion segunda, possibly making him more powerful than number one. also, ichigos new mask is not necessarily a vaizard one, since he has a hollow hole and is pretty much insane at this point.  i think Ulquiorra stands a good chance, because he underestimated ichigo yet again, and now knows how powerful he is.  I think this is why ishida tried to stop ichigo from dismembering ulquiorra, partially to keep ichigos human side alive, but also because he knows Ulquiorra is the only one in Hueco Mundo strong enough to stop ichigo now. Utae 08:17, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

It seems more likely that it is a vizard transformation, cause it seems like a merger between his sinigami form and the earlier revealed hollow form. And his inner hollow isnt in control ether, cause this is similar to when ichigo and hollow ichigo were fighting for control their body. Ichigo isnt insane right now, he's a mindless bezerker with nether side in control. as for Ishida, all he did was prevent ichigo from further dismembering a 'body' in cold blood. Everything sujested that ishida thought Ulquiorra was dead and he thought ichigo was just carving up his dead body, which wasnt something he could stand for. And as for the vizards, we already know that dawning the mask is only the first step to a vizard's power, which they stated. Why is dawning a hollow's entire body on theirs so much of a stretch from there? Just because it has a hollow hole, doesnt mean it isnt a vizard form. in fact, it seems more likely to me that the full form of a vizard would have a hollow hole.--CloudHiro 21:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * hmmmmmm, interesting. as for ishida, i think hes too smart to think ulquiorra was dead, and why would ulquiorra negate the cero right before it killed ishida?  i may be wrong, but i feel like theres something under the radar going on.  but i think you may be on track about the vaizard thing, but i doubt whats happening to ichigo is a vaizard form. Utae 22:16, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo technically without being a official member of the group is a vizard. So the idea that he would be experiencing something along the lines of their abilities makes sense. Anything else is pretty left field. The first place everyone wanted to go was he's a hollow. There are so many reasons why thats not the case if only people would read the hollow page they would see that. I think we identify with to much of what we commonly see or wish to see (hollows, hollow ichigo, arrancar, vaste lorde) and less of what we have little info on (the vizard). While i agree that ishida is intelligent even though the arrancar are their enemies, he will stop short of the disrespect of carving up a defeated opponent he wanted ichigo to stop, being human or even by extension shinigami (depending on the individual) requires to have mercy and or some form of respect even for a defeated opponent. lets recall he was even giving mayuri a pass when they first met in soul society, even though he was responsible for his grandfathers death as well as dissecting his body. He wanted to defeat him to avenge his grandfathers humiliation he wouldnt have gone as far as killing him but mayuri pushed him to far. Salubri 23:02, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * i know theres a lot we dont know about the vizard, but why make ichigo almost identical to his inner hollow at this point? plus, being a vizard just means you have an inner hollow.  although ichigo conquered his hollow once, he wasnt able to destroy him completely.  and ishida blew away half of mayuris body, which probably would have killed anyone else.  and ishida did intend to kill mayuri until the very last second... i dont know, im pretty sure his hollow came back, seeing as he said he would, and hes playing a huge part in this transformation.  i guess we'll have to wait and see. Utae 23:13, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no way for him to distroy his inner hollow, cause its literaly part of him now, half of him. There is no way for him to distroy him without distroying himself. the only thing he can do is subdue and control him, which is something he hasnt fully done yet, only enough to use his hollow mask. but he stated that they'll have one more skermish before he has full use of his powers. And my guess would be a full mixture of hollow and shinigami powers rather than just dawning a mask, which is probably what were seeing right now. But Im confused weather or not ichigo isnt in control of himself because he's fighting a internal battle with his inner hollow like last time and nether ichigo is in the 'driver seat' so to speak and thus ichigo's body is literaly a mindless bezerker right now, or if the powers are far too potent for ether ichigo to control and they are just trying to figure out how. If thats the case it would mean that Ichigo and Hollow ichigo would have to learn to act as one in order to control themself, which would be difficult considering they are literaly oppsites of each other.--CloudHiro 15:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, looks like he's dead now, just seen some raw untranslated images of the newest manga in the spoiler section of onemanga http://i43.tinypic.com/30w9vs2.jpg. he aparently turns to dust after expressing that he was finaly gaining a interest in humans and ichigo's group. hinting that he was begining to like humans and the human heart. he aparently dies after asking Orihime if he is a frightening person.--CloudHiro 15:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I was actually surprised about how emotional kubo made the end to this fight. its another time ichigos inner hollow has ruined a fight and basically won it for him (the first time being byakuya).  ulquiorras human side seemed to have come out at the very end and that little interaction with orihime is something new to the manga, i dont ever remember seeing anything that sad before.  although i didnt want ulquiorra to do in the first place, it seems to be a moment of grieving for everyone... Utae 10:35, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I dont think the thing between ichigo and ulquiorra is over; befor he dissolves into ash, ulquiorra asks ichigo to kill him stating that their battle will never be over if he doesnt. i think ulquiorra will simply come back in a different form. --Ulquiorra Wannabe128 18:14, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I think Ulquiorra was speaking figuratively, like "If you don't kill me now, you'll never have the chance to settle the score." That said, it's to bad he's gone, and I agree about how emotional his end was. Easily my favorite death scene. LapisScarab 01:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)