Forum:Kenpachi Zaraki

This thread is dedicated to the discussion of all things related to 11th Division Captain Kenpachi Zaraki. Please keep all talk about Zaraki here as any new topics will be merged into this one. If the topic you wish to discuss is not listed here, feel free to add it. --Yyp 16:56, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Zaraki and his Zanpakuto
Zaraki has improved the relationship with his Zanpakuto somewhat due to his battle with Ichigo. Aside from the failed attempt to communicate with it, he is starting to treat it with some degree of respect, both in terms of how he talks about it, and also in his embracing it with two hands for the infamous kendo. I never really saw this moment as being about just hitting Nnoitra harder and beating him with a (somewhat bizarre power-up), but rather as being about Zaraki showing the sword some respect - and it responded big time. --Yyp 16:56, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to have to disagree with it. He did try talking to his zanpakuto after Ichigo somehow beat him, but that's it. I think he used his sword in two hands because it let him hit Nnoitra harder. I didn't see any evidence that he was thinking of anything else at the time. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 17:27, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Actually Yyp is right during his fight with Nnoitra all the Espada did was put down his blade and say how it couldnt cut him but Kenpachi was more then adamant to prove him wrong and when he finally does cut Nnoitra he asks that he be allowed to thank him with his zanpkauto and actually referred to it as "he" meaning he had some interaction with it to know its gender. He has gained more respect for his zanpakuto because it means him getting stronger whether or not he fully understands what that interaction is supposed to be remains to be seen. Salubri 17:35, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

@PSH aka Kimera 757, I am not saying that there was no effect from Zaraki using two hands. Obviously two handed swings ought to be stronger. But I am saying that that is only a part of the power that was unleashed against Nnoitra, and that Zaraki using his Zanpakuto properly was a big factor there. --Yyp 20:33, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Kenpachis Zampakto
what is the origin of his zampakto? ive heard he picks it up off i dead body, but im pretty sure its his own sword. if someone finds out please let me know with a source, thanks.Utae 06:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

It is his own sword as far as the manga has said but there is no reason to believe otherwise. Tousen's zanpakuto is that of his deceased friend if maybe that explains any mix up. Greyexile 05:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

An idea about his Shikai/Bankai
Hai Im new here but i've had a thought for a few days and where else better to put it!

It's about Kenpachi (Ill refer him as Ken ^^) Ok so we know Ken doesnt know his Zanpaktou's name and kind of forcibly achieved his Shikai.

But what im going to get to is What if in a Few years or loads. Ken learned Bankai, and what if it was very similar to that of Ichigo's Bankai.

Like Compressed. He's known for his mass amounts of Reitsu (Dont know how to spell it :(. )

Yes he wouldn't be as fast as Ichii But what im getting at How powerful would he be.

Seeing as he's strong enough in his Normal eye patch removal form :S

Woah that would be cool to see, maybe his sword will get enhanced and repaired,  i thought of when he used kendo,  all that strenght focused can do big damageDaigo623 22:05, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Zaraki Kenpachi, Yachiru, &, his Zanpakuto
We all are aware of Zaraki Kenpachi's lack of feeling for spiritual energies and the fact he never took the time to learn his Zanpakuto's name, or, anything about his "tool" as he called it once. When he tells Yachiru that the name is the person he wishes to be like, and, he gives that name to the pink-haired toddler. NOW, the speculation -- we saw Toshiro as a kid when his spiritual energy/shinigami powers were awakening & he felt/saw his zanpakuto, Hyorinmaru in the form of an ice dragon, talking to him in his mind/dreams. There are Bleach characters who don't recognize their powers & zanpakuto at first, and/or are shocked to see them or find out about them. Zaraki is on the furthest extreme of these range of experiences of zanpakuto's where he never has opened himself up to hear anything dealing with his zanpakuto's name. Zangetsu told Ichigo the only thing plugging his ears was his own fear. Whether Zaraki was fearful of seeming weak by relying on his zanpakuto like he makes clear in his first fight w/ Ichigo when he tells Ichigo it's bitch talk to say one is fighting w/ the power of a zanpakuto. Either way, whatever kept Zaraki from opening up to his zanpakuto and conversing with it, fear, pride, or, self reliance, that is not for what I want everyone else's opinion on.

I wondered when Zaraki had named Yachiru, which meant Eight-Thousand Flows, did anyone think why that name was swirling round in his head? Did anyone make that connection as well???

That Yachiru was the name of his Zanpakuto calling out to him from his subconscious, or in Zaraki's dreams, or deep from his within his soul; and, that was the man Zaraki said he wanted so badly to be like and which who in fact he would have been had he truly known his Zanpakuto?!?!

I mean, what would he have been like had he reached who he had truly felt he wanted to be? Imagining Zaraki had he learned to trust in the power of his own zanpakuto and Eight-thousand Flows had meant to be/is some water or wind type zanpakuto then the true potential of Kenpachi would have been unimaginable! Zaraki Kenpachi with a bankai would have made him at least ten times more powerful than the Kenpachi that he has made himself into so far, or, as we now know and love him.

P.S. I don't believe he has made any progress w/ his zanpakuto as some others have stated on these forums because I see that harmonious relationship that arises between shinigami and zanpakuto exists as anything else in life, if it is not constantly cultivated, pruned, shaped, harvested, then nothing will come from that soil. We reap what we sow and if you're not growing then you're dying. (-ceracero24)

When Zaraki Became a Captain
This topic has been the subject of an earlier thread. Please feel free to review the contents of that thread, and continue the debate here. --Yyp 16:56, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Wait is Kenpaichi the 10th or 11th person to take the name of kenpaichi?Saimaroimaru 05:04, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

the 10th. Salubri 05:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Then he was captain during the pendulm arc. If hes the 10th then heres where Shinji talks about him.They say 10th Kenpaichi. http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315.01/10/Saimaroimaru 20:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Yea that point was argued but there are those that believe that even though the description given describes zaraki that they dont think its him. My main issue with that is he is the only captain we know that has defeated the previous captain in combat as per the rules of attaining the position and since thats the case it doesn't make sense to question whether its valid as there is no proof of anyone else with the same mannerisms and who achieved their status that way.Salubri 20:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

So other bielfs are over the manga? Sorry but I don't buy it, he was captain 100 years ago theres you stinking proof.Saimaroimaru 20:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

If you recall a certain flashback, Zaraki took his captaincy after Tōsen was a captain. Thus, no possibility of Zaraki being a captain until Tōsen got his promotion, which was not until after the events of the TBtP Arc. I can't remember where said flashback is, but I know it shows that Tōsen was a captain before Zaraki. One eye 21:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Well see this is were the issue comes up and i can tell you why its not credible for one the flash back was only in the anime because it took place during the bount saga which was straight filler. Also the TBTP took place after that had came out. Filler isn't considered canon to the plot line created by kubo, as the manga is primary source and it only takes place in the anime and is commonly outside of the normal storyline.Salubri 21:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

It was the Bount arc. Its a mistake by those who made the filler. Its a plothole. he was captain 100 years ago. I ask the article reflects that and disclaimer or something saids any events regards kenpaichi during that arc is filler and not true.Saimaroimaru 21:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, in regarding that page you showed us, that just describes Zaraki's personality traits. They really have no confirmation that it's Zaraki or not, only that "he's off doing what he wants" and he's "a loose cannon that became captain". That really says nothing as to whether this Kenpachi was Zaraki or not. I admit that it is possible that it is, but we can't go around saying "That's Zaraki alright" if they don't say it's him by name, confirm that this one became captain by killing his predecessor, or a clear visual image of him. Believe what you want, but fact of the matter is that we have no clue if this one is truly Zaraki or not. Arrancar109 21:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

It said 10th Kenpaichi, if Karaki is the 10th Kenopaichi which saluribi said then thats him.Saimaroimaru 21:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that article says "At least 9 prior Kenpachi", which means he had at least 9 predecessors named Kenpachi. That means there could have been 10, 12, 17, etc. before he became captain. It was never stated anywhere that Zaraki was the 10th or had exactly 9 Kenpachis before him; only that there were 9 or more Kenpachis that preceded him. Arrancar109 21:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

How Moronic can you people get? The manga gave you proof and still. I tell you what. I leave the article alone and wait till the manga or databooks elaborate more on him.Can someone mark this resolved.Saimaroimaru 21:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

No need to get offensive just because not everyone agrees with you. But yes, let's leave this issue alone for now. Arrancar109 21:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Just for general understanding there is nothing stating he is not and more clues that its more then likely him, all leaving it up does is allow people to make wild speculations that can't be backed up. Regardless he is basically described from the traits that we know of zaraki and then its mentioned that the previous kenpachi's lack of ability is what allowed zaraki to become captain, directly reflecting the method on which the position was obtained. While its true that he was not directly stated i dont think anyone can say for sure he doesnt fit the clues, and believing otherwise is gross speculation considering what else do we have to go on. Hopefully someone will mention it directly so this can really just stop.Salubri 21:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I found something that might support Kaname being a captain before Zaraki. In a flashback in chapter 146. http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/146/02/

It appears as if Kaname has his haori, so, was likely a captain before Zaraki. The only other explanation is the jacket he had under Kensei, but, his hair and the mask he wore are no longer the same, so I think this might prove that Kaname was a captain first. One eye 21:52, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

That proves nothing as we've seen Kaname and other emebers of 9th division wear haori's as well but they weren't captains until Tite reveals more shush about the subject.Saimaroimaru 00:18, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Zaraki disappearance
By thinking about it, I am wondering why and where Zaraki & Yachiru usually disappeared during some arcs.
 * Does it mean that Zaraki is absent from his division because he trains to find his sword's name and develop his bankai (as well as Y) or some holes are created in the scenario, allowing TK to prepare some arc to show their past stories that would fit in Bleach timeline.
 * As seen in Hueco Mondo, Zaraki didn't use any bankai. In some episodes, he's shown to use his almost full power (eye's patch) only when it's necessary.
 * That could mean that he doesn't know his zanpakuto's name yet ...Or he already knows it but still didn't want to use it and preferred to show his Kendo ability instead.

In the past it was said that he knew nothing or less about his sword, but in the present nothing indicated that he is in the same situation. Perhaps nothing changed or everything changed already, but it is only speculated thoughtsBaronofash 11:02, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

How did Ichigo beat him?
Probably a topic that's been discussed a zillion times before, but since all conversations on Zaraki are stuck here...

How did Ichigo beat him, when Zaraki seems to be more powerful (not counting the stats chart) than other captains?

It seemed Ichigo just drew upon the power of his shikai, obviously something Zaraki can't do, but Zaraki has withstood bankai attacks before (eg from Kommamura and, in the most recent anime arc, Senbonzakura) while still wearing his eyepatch. It's a little weird that a captain-strength shinigami using only shikai could beat Zaraki. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 17:30, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo's sword is incredibly powerful, and Ichigo's reaitsu is incredibly powerful, when he can control it. It just worked out that Ichigo was at full power and so could take on Zaraki yet Tousen and Komamura didn't have enough raw power to hurt him. With Zaraki tricks don't really work, you just have to hit him really hard until he falls over, like Ichigo did and Nnoitra nearly did. BollyW 21:09, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Ichigo did never beat Kenpachi, the fight was clearly a draw, it's just zhat Kenpachi has take it a a loss.--Suzumushi 21:25, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

A draw is still suspicious; Kenpachi was more powerful than Ichigo at the time. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 03:50, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

The fight was a draw. Kenpachi stated that Ichigo "Won" because his (Zarakis) sword broke which in the Bleach world is a clear sign of defeat. Yoruichi stated that it was amazing that Ichigo fought with Zaraki and it came to a draw.Hollowmajinbuu1 04:23, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Kenpachi Bankai
We all know that Kenpachi does not have Bankai yet. But what If he does and it turned out to be a Kido type. what would happen to his barrack and will he use his sword even if its a Kido type?

Kenpachi will be lucky if he gets shikai anytime soon. BUT...if by some miracle he develops a bankai and its a kido type that runs counter to the traditions of the 11th Division? Well...who the hell is gonna tell Kenpachi he is a wuss and needs to get out of the division right now? The man never cared about tradition much before. If he actually develops a bankai that attracts shinigami willing to duel him to toss him out of the 11th...bonus! More fighting! More opponents to beat! The end result is that the traditions of the 11th will be more likely to change than that anyone will unseat Kenpachi. Great Cthulhu 05:50, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Just putting two scents here, He has Shikai but he forcibly Achieved it because of his massive amounts of Reistu(Probs didnt spell that right.) Silenty 12:04, 29 November 2009

-- You are right. Great Cthulhu 16:54, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

He has already achieved shikai, but he still cannot use his shikai's ability(ies) since he doesn't know the name and the release command. Am I right?--WinterFox 05:11, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

-- Thats what it seemed like to me. Zaraki has his constant release zanpakuto but is ignorant of how to operate its shikai. Sort of like Ichigo before he mastered his. I always assumed that the power Zaraki demonstrates when he slashes his blade is simply tricks of raw spirit pressure. Great Cthulhu 02:32, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

by the way, just like to add that i like the idea of Zaraki's zanpakuto being a kido-type. :D--WinterFox 05:11, December 1, 2009 (UTC)