Forum:Soifon

This Forum is dedicated to discussing anything about Soifon. There are currently a couple of topics here already, but feel free to add more topics if what you wish to discuss is not covered here already. Any posts about Soifon outside of this thread will be deleted and their contents moved here. --Yyp 23:00, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Suzumebachi
Wait, if you were to only read the manga, Fake Karakura is technically the first time Soifon has killed someone with Suzumebachi, right? (Ggio Vega)

Because when she killed Mabashi and that one girl in the first movie, they both died differently and it kind of contradicts each other. So, how Ggio Vega died … is that the “official” way Suzumebachi kills? It doesn’t look like Ggio Vega died with poison, though…


 * Yes, this should be the 'official' way Suzumebachi kills. ZeroSD 09:31, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Read the manga:(from Triva) Ggio was killed not by being hit on the same spot on his skin, but rather when Suzumebachi pierced the exact same spot on his right lung from both sides of his body (through his chest and back). She claims that this is her "best move" since it appears as though she hits two completely different areas on the targets body; even her Lieutenant is confused as to why Ggio died from the attack.Saimaroimaru 23:27, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Saimaroimaru: I wasn't talking about how she KILLED Ggio Vega, but to how he DIED. In the first movie, that lady she killed disappeared in thin air almost instantaneously and Mabashi seemed to take a while to succumb to the wound (it seems like poison affected them). However, Ggio Vega died differently, which is the first time Soifon used Suzumebachi to kill in the manga. He was engulfed in the Homonka crest... and then he seemed to disappear (although differently from the lady from the first movie and Mabashi).

As it's the first appearance in the Manga you have to take it as the official way.

However it's worth noting that the bounto all died differently than a usual person/hollow would. HOOOOOOOOO 02:55, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Soifon's Bankai Form
her bankai does indeed seem like a missile since its the right shape and it fires out, however with the shape of the "armor" that accompanies it, while also the name "hornet thunder whip" which to me connotates a horse, i think its more likely its a jousting lance. before i had seen it it was described as a tomahawk missile and i went into it thinking i would see something like that but the second i saw it, i immediately thought, jousting lance; particularly because of the shape of the "spaulder" and face guard which comes up on her arm. what are your thoughts?

I still see it as a launcher of some kind, missle or otherwise. --Ihaveaname 14:27, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Considering it shoots a missile, I think it's clearly a missile. We've seen what it can do twice, so while you may think it'd be more interesting if it was a jousting lance, (I think it'd be more interesting if it was, too) you can't argue that's what it is when it's clearly not. She said it herself, that it's too heavy to move, and if you have a lance that's too heavy to move, then it's not a very effective lance. Plus, you can check the image you want yourself (image is large, so I'll just put the URL here: bleach.wikia.com/File:Soifon_ability.png); it clearly shoots a projectile. I also don't see how hornet thunder whip makes you think of a horse when it makes me think of a hornet, thunder and a whip. As for the armor, I think it's merely there for the sake of protecting her from the explosion of the missile. How's that saying go? If it looks like a duck, and acts like a duck, then it's a duck. Well, it looks like a missile, acts like a missile; it's a missile. It doesn't look like a jousting lance, doesn't act like a jousting lance; it's not a jousting lance. Twocents 19:21, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

When she use banaki where is her arm? How can she fire another missle? Where is the other missle? Soifon's shikai is a poison type zanpakutou, isn't it? But jakuho raikoben isn't a poison type bankai, Why?

When she use banaki where is her arm? She cut it off to avoid death from Baraggan's respira.

How can she fire another missle? Magic? I don't know. If it reloads by itself then she can fire another one

Where is the other missle? Auto-reload? Its a zanpakuto, its workings are mysterious to us.

Soifon's shikai is a poison type zanpakutou, isn't it? That is what we have classified it as though I disagree

But jakuho raikoben isn't a poison type bankai, Why? A bankai is not always the same as a shikai. I dont really think her shikai is a poison type though because if it was poison, she would not have to hit twice in the same spot. One hit would do the job. --God (Pray)  16:07, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Soifon Bankai in TBtP?
If Hachi knows Soifon's bankai, then maybe Soifon already had her bankai during the TBTP series. Soifon also implied that Kisuke knew about her bankai. We all know that Kisuke and Soifon were once under Yoruichi so maybe that's why he knew about it. What do you guys think?--Agate genbu 13:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hachi watched the Captain/Espada fights from outside the barrier along with the rest of the Vizard, as he said in the previous chapter. He would have seen her Bankai then. It is also obvious from her outfit that she is a Captain and therefore must have Bankai. Soifon was just being a bit silly and jumping to conclusions. But yes, there is a clear implication that Urahara knows about her Bankai. --Yyp 13:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know about Hachi watching their fight, but what confuses me is Soifon's statement here. The "So you even know about my bankai" and "I hate him" part makes me think that Kisuke told the Vizard, or Hachi at least, about the powers of the current Gotei 13. I don't know. Maybe I'm just overthinking things.--Agate genbu 13:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

It would be funny if Kisuke did tell them specifically about Soifon in his free time but he knows better than that, since even he said that he didn't know if the Vizard were on the Gotei 13's side.--SalmanH 13:33, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll repeat what I said on the Hachi vs Barragan pt 2 thread. Urahara hasn't been on SS since the ran away with the Vizards. But Yoruichi on the other hand, apparently has been going back and forth many times, not just that time with Ichigo and buds. Urahara's picture is shown when Hachi asks Soifon to use her bankai, but it's more likely that Yoruichi told Urahara about the details about her bankai. Or not, Hachi just figured out she is a captain, therefore she has one and like he pointed out when he used kido, that he saw what Barragan can do, he must have seen her using bankai as well. So she just jumped to conclusions and showed how much she loved the hat man.. lol Deimonos 12:55, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Soifon's Bankai & Baraggan
This is just a thought that had occurred to me about Soifon, and why she has been so disadvantaged in her fight with Barragan. Since her bankai is a HUGE missile and face guard on her arm(the one she still has), could it be possible that she is only at half her bankais potential, what if was suppose to be on both her arms? And therefore two missiles.

Granted the explosion would twice the size and could blown her even further than a one armed assault, but the result would be twice the damage to the opponent. Any thoughts? (Again, just an idea) AuronValentine 16:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

sorry didn't mean for the scroll bars AuronValentine 16:02, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Guess we wont know till she gets her arm back assuming she ever uses her bankai again, i personally think its the worst one so far and the only one that causes disadvantages for its user. I just dont think it was well thought out is all.Salubri 17:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I doubt Soi Fon's Bankai was not used at full power. Her Shikai works only on her right arm, so it would make sense that her Bankai would only be on her right arm. My guess is the only reason the Bankai didn't work against Barragan was either becuase he slowed down the weapon using his time element and dodged it or weakened the missle before it hit him using his respira. We have seen that non-kido projectiles have no effect on him, because as soon as they get near him, his aura causes it to decay or break up. There is no doubt in my mind that Soi Fon is powerful, but she met her match in a time elemental.--Moe1216 19:26, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Salubri because I feel that her bankia should have increased her ability not make her worse off than before. Soifon is known for speed and hand to hand combat. All her bankai did was give her more attack strength and hindered everything esle. Her bankai is just not for her style. Unless she can knows other capabilities that we havent seen. Her bankai was meant to be a one hit knockout. The bad thing about it is that she ran into someone who didnt get knocked out. I also agree that Barragan abilites did counter act hers. I think respira did probably decrease the attack power. For all we know he probably took it head on purposely. I think with is time control ability he could have dodged it like all the other attacks. I would have like to seen her bankai with both arms because who is to say what esle she could have had with the other arm. Maybe they will explain later on. All I know is that these new Spoilers sound awsome. Tealang99 19:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Mabye her Bankai was not actually at full power (as the person two above this post stated) due to the fact that she detests it, and therefore never uses (or uses it so little that her Lieutenant never sees it), doesn't the Zanpaukto have the spiritual connection with user? So if Soi Fon says she hates the Bankai form, mabye her Zanpaukto hates her just as equally and will refuse to work properly (kind of like Yumichika's Fuju Kujaku/Ruri'o Kujaku), therefore not giving her enough power to defeat Barragan? On the other hand the idea of Barragan using respira or even a Cero (kind of like Grimmjow vs. Hirako) is credible. UltraSaint4121 08:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)