User talk:Renji Abarai

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Encroachment
I'm not quite sure why you keep undoing my edits on Encroachment. It was established in chapter 6 that when a hollow is purified by a zanpakutou, it moves on to Soul Society. The hollowfication process is absolutely permanent only in that the plus can no longer remain in the human world as a Plus. Daisekihan 07:01, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Well the way you typed it just did not sound right:"and although the soul may be purified by a shinigami's zanpakutou and go on to Soul Society, they can never return to world of the living as a Plus" sounds like it should go under hollow. I'm thinking quite a bit of the article should go into the hollow/hollowfication articles since Encroachment is only part of hollowfication(the chain deteriorating.)

Okay, I think the way it is now is fine. Just one thing---if you want to make a dash, I use three hyphens instead of one and it'll come out as a full dash instead of just a hyphen. The hyphen on its own looks a bit weird. Daisekihan 01:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

---Sure.Renji Abarai 01:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Tosen/Byakuya
I knew you were going to go there but my edits aren't in question Byakuya is a kido master to say you have to be kido captain isnt true, because by that definition Kenpachi is the only master swordsman in all soul society since hes the captain of the 11th division who specializes in swordsmanship. While Byakuya isnt as fast as yoruichi he is a master at flashsteps. Soifon isnt as fast as Yourichi but shes pretty close so i guess she isnt a master either. The point being he has use of high kido anyone who does and knowledge is a kido master, Aizen was never kido captain and hes a master of kido. As for tosen check again if he wasnt worth his skill he would have not even bothered to fight Kenpachi there is no question of his skill. By your definition anyone who kenpachi defeats has no skill at swordsmanship that's not the case. Salubri 05:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC) No, not just Kenpachi. He cannot even use Shikai(correctly.) If you read what I put people who show real skill deserve master, and Kenpachi's the only one w/out Bankai that fits the criteria. Captains Byakuya Kuchiki, General Yamamoto, Shunsui Kyoraku, Jushiro Ukitake, the captain Vizard, and some of the Espada all fit the criteria as well. But the point is just because someone's really strong does not make themn a master swordsman. I see where you're going with Kido, and I guess Tosen could be a master but Ichigo, Ikkaku, Renji and Toshiro are not(these are just examples.) They're very high in skill but their Bankais aren't mastered like Byakuya's, nor can they fight exceptionally well using just Shikai. I think we need to figure out how to categorize between masters and experts in swordsmanship because it just seems ridiculous that so many characters are near flawless using a sword, especially when they Lose.--Renji Abarai 06:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I read what your wrote over there but i think your going too deep, the master qualification is not based entirely on bankai its based more on the users skill with his weapon. The last time i checked Ichigo beat 3 captains and an espada. Ikkaku has been training others in swordsmanship for years not to mention both he and reniji attained their bankai, at below captain status mind you, on their own merit based on mastery of their zanpakuto which is required to attain bankai (what your talkin about the 100yrs or so required to fully master it but that's a portion of skill learned over time, not what is taken into account to measure mastery), but more so on their skill with fighting with their sword in general. Toshiro is a captain and more then that a child prodigy, making him a master in many shinigami arts before he is a actual adult. Its no question what his skill is its been show cased many times without bankai in certain cases. Its explained or at least should be in the profiles why anyone is considered what they are in their qualifications. It doesnt take away from the high placed masters cause its explained why they are good but that a reflection on their skill not something in comparison to anyone else. Also by your own estimation Kenpachi who doesnt know his zanpakuto's name and therefore is incapable of bankai is a master. He doesnt need bankai to be a master cause hes that good with his weapon. Not everyone is classified as a master just those who are seen to be such. Mayuri is not even listed as having any swordsmanship skill at all cause he has not been shown to have real fighting skills so far. Yoruichi has not been listed as such either cause no one has even seen her zanpakuto to know if she is proficient at it. Strength of the character is entirely separate from their skill with a sword. Espada dont even have bankai but a good amount of them are masters as swordsmanship. Salubri 06:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree with your points( I wanted to prove mine but yours are very good also); I'm going to leave the whole swordsmanship deal alone now, but I am going to edit Zanjutsu, since I believe we should at least elaborate a little more on swordsmanship(EVERY Character uses a sword so it makes sense.) To be honest I just feel like doing something about it....Renji Abarai 03:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Blood Type
I'm the one who removes it. And honestly, I'm not sure if it's right or not. I have looked it up on a search engine, but most results I get are either internet blogs or forum profiles, so I'm not sure if we can consider the information as accurate. Granted, it is possible, especially since many of the sites say the same thing, but I think we should probably get the result either from the manga/character book source, or a record of an interview with Kubo. Arrancar109 19:09, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

My bad, Mr. Abarai
It's about the edit, man. I'm sorry. I though it was Master not Expert, but thanks for correcting me. I honestly am apologizing to you, sir. Dekoshu talk contrib 22:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Images
Hey i like all the images and everything, but at some point the images become to much for the page. I mean there really isnt enough information sometimes to warrant all the images, because then it becomes a page with nothing but images and like 2 paragraphs. Especially in the Powers and Abilities section. The reason all the pics are to the right cause is because of the ordering to the left. when pics get put on the left it becomes messy, and then whats the point of organization we might as well just put it in paragraph form, so it likes like any other page online. Im just saying we probably dont need a pic for every single thing a person does. Maybe we should try to see about having a linked page to the profiles for every character just for their pics. That way pics that theres no room for can still be shown just like some other wikis.Salubri 20:52, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

You're right, and I definitely noticed that when trying to add a picture to Mayuri's Zanpakuto section. I had to add more information (don't worry; it was relevant and had references) for it to fit. I'll try to tone down on the imagesfor powers & abilities, and work more on the actual information; I've been kinda overdoing it lately.--Renji Abarai 20:57, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Yea i know lol. Its cool man im just saying its like blaah all over the place. Mayuri's page is coming along nicely. To be honest with the liquid state he takes its kinda up in the air that why it was just information at the bottom cause its questionable if thats another body modification or an ability of his zanpakuto. Now that i think of it considering what his zanpakuto can do with poison im starting to lean more to it being a modification, considering what we know of his other modifications, that he just happens to activate using his zanpakuto. either way it will go in one area or the other but if its under body modification then the pic can go to the right and not mess up the order. Salubri 21:02, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Well if it works better we should put it there. It's more of a zanpakuto modification but I don't think we need to make that a point.--Renji Abarai 21:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)