Talk:Kūgo Ginjō

Fullbring Absorption
Should that be listed as an ability of his Fullbring, since it seems that he absorbed Ichigo's Fullbring in the latest chapt.--シルバー人柱力 - The Silver Jinchūriki. ("Talk to me.") 07:45, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

It is not confirmed what exactly has been done yet!! SunXia  (Chat)  12:16, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

No need to yell, I was just making a suggestion...--シルバー人柱力 - The Silver Jinchūriki. ("Talk to me.") 01:49, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

She isn't yelling, she ends all her sentences with !! whether she is happy, sad, annoyed, angry, whatever.--

Um...guys? Is it just me, or is that bone armor that Kugo was wearing after Toshiro said he was the first Substitute Shinigami strangely similar to Ichigo's Fullbring (which he stole)? I just couldn't help noticing. A Shining Star appeared!! (Make a Wish)  02:28, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks similar, but not the same. It's still too early to tell if he can absorb Fullbrings or not. Arrancar109 (Talk)  04:46, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Might I suggest we add his Fullbring's second form's apparent ability to absorb other Fullbringer's Fullbring? I think that is a pretty noteworthy ability. I would do so myself (and was about to), but the page is locked. Ten Tailed Fox   (Talk with me) 20:36, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

My only problem with this is it has not been said exactly how he did that. Whether it is an ability of his Fullbring or if it is something all Fullbringers can do. Id wait for 460 before doing anything.--


 * Alright, fine with me. Ten Tailed Fox   (Talk with me) 21:20, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

I already commented on the same topic up there!! ^ SunXia   (Chat)  23:36, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

It looks like he can absorb and use others' Fullbrings. It also looks like he can do this because he was once a Substitute Shinigmai and is most likely not a common ability for Fullbringers, which should be added into his history along with the true sequence of events concerning the deaths of the other Xcution members.DukeLions (talk) 16:35, August 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Was it confirmed by Kubo Tite or any character in the manga that Ginjo has the ability due to having been once a substitute shinigami? Did Kubo Tite or any character in the manga said that Ginjo can use fullbrings he took away? „Most likely” is not a confirmation; it's a speculation. On this wiki, we don’t like speculations. TheyCallMeIgi (talk) 11:04, August 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nope, wasn't confirmed. That's why the talk pages exist, to thrash around content to see if it can stand close scrutiny of multiple people. This obviously won't come out of our wringers too well, so it stays off until confirmed. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk)  17:59, August 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Does no one remember that when Ichigo first showed his completed Fullbring, Ginjou said that he thought of him as someone else? I think that his new armor isn't Ichigo's but part of his original Fullbring WIZZADYAH (talk) 08:10, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * That is still a speculation. And their fullbrings might be so similar, because both Ichigo and Ginjou are substitute shinigami. TheyCallMeIgi (talk) 08:14, August 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * It looks like that Ginjo was able to steal Ichigo's fullbring because it is the same object that Ginjo possesses, namely a Shingami Representative badge. So by merging his own badge with his fullbring, Ginjo is able to steal the Fullbring powers off of Ichigo's badge along with his reiatsu fused with it.

superlogan7437 (talk) 20:24, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

It's unlikely. The soul of the badge would also have to be the same. And because Ichigo left HIS imprint on HIS badge, not Kugo's, they would obviously be very different. Also, suggesting that at all is extremely speculatory. Please shy away from that sort of thing unless it has sufficient evidence to back it up. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk)  21:31, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

The new form
I think the description of his sword's second form should be redone. As it is no longer considered that he puts on the badge of a slain Substitute Soul Reaper. Now that it has been revealed to actually be his old badge. Evil 1 (talk) 04:15, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Well,now it's obvious that he really GAVE Ichigo his fullbring or whatever that'd be.

Shouldn't it be counted as one of his fullbrings now? Adi212 (talk) 10:31, August 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * He didn't give Ichigo anything. Not in the way you're thinking at least. When he said "the Fullbring I gave him", he meant that he helped Ichigo obtain his own Fullbring. In essence "giving" him one. That Fullbring was Ichigo's. Not Ginjō's. Ten Tailed Fox   (Talk with me) 17:47, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

P&A
What would you say for adding this?

Keen Intellect: Kūgo has proven to have a high level of intelligence. Despite having his memories altered he was able to deduce that Uryū and Orihime were not attacked by the same person thanks to his vast knowlegde about Fullbrings (In truth, Kūgo attacked one of them himself ). He also figured out the true nature of Tsukishima's abilities by analyzing the events happening around him. Ramus7 (talk) 20:49, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Here is the issue with this. Tsukishima's ability falsifies memories by adding himself into them. So what was altered was the fact they there were actually allies. Deducing the attacker of uryu and Orihime isn't hard they are only fighting against one individual, considering the attack against Orihime wasn't meant to injure her, it was are assumption that it was him that attacked Uryu. He also already knew the nature of Tsukishima's abilities even if he had his memories altered to not recall the ability, this was also the most logical explanation considering the events. Whether this makes him particularly intelligent considering that he is originally involved in all the situations cant be determined, subconciously in the information was still there they didnt get erased.--Salubri (Talk)  21:42, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Kūgo's History
I believe that the part of this section about Tsukishima slaughtering the old Substitute Shinigami and Kūgo taking the old shinigami's badges needs to be removed. We know now that Kūgo himself was the substitute shinigami, so this section saying he was the first substitute, then saying that Tsukishima killed the substitute and Kūgo took the badge obviously isn't correct anymore. At least this part needs to be changed, even though it does seem as if more is going to be correctly revealed during the next few chapters. Kevinsk (talk) 08:33, August 31, 2011 (UTC)Kevinsk

It should be changed in the way that it reflects the real history as well as explaining the idea of the lie (while under the false history ability). --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  21:42, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, exactly what I was thinking, like, state what actually happened and maybe mention that is the story he had told Ichigo at first. Having both different stories in there is just awkward and a little confusing. Kevinsk (talk) 22:00, August 31, 2011 (UTC)Kevinsk

The problem is that when doing history sections they have to be told in past tense. So the actual history can be given in the history section and the false one can be mentioned under the regular plot line. --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  22:14, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

I think all you need to do is make some sublte remark that hints that what he told Ichigo may not be true. For example you could say Kuugo claims to have joined the Xcution with other Fullbringers to get rid of his powers. It leaves room for it to be false, while keeping the information in there. --GL089 (talk) 23:45, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Substitute Badge
"Kūgo places the Substitute Shinigami Badge of the slain substitute Shinigami onto his sword.." --- It's pretty much been established that this badge is his, as he is the first Substitute Shinigami. I'll make the necessary revisions, and perhaps give him an equipment section to show his badge. <font color="#008080" face="Verdana">Ten Tailed Fox  <font color="#FF0000" face="Verdana"> (Talk with me) 19:20, September 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, page is locked. Can someone do it for me then? <font color="#008080" face="Verdana">Ten Tailed Fox  <font color="#FF0000" face="Verdana"> (Talk with me) 19:22, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ginjo's page has been locked everytime I checked it sinse he started using his fancy new powers. Really wish someone would do something about that. Bloodtom1 (talk) 00:28, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Again, be patient, this is a critical article at this time, it is locked for a reason!! SunXia   (Chat)  00:34, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Trivia
While in the color page of chapter 449 Ginjo had blue eyes, in the color page of chapter 465 he appears to have brown eyes. Can that be counted as a trivia detail? I just noticed that... Adi212 (talk) 18:16, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Fullbring third form,P&A section
i think we should addd that the skull armor he got from taking ichigos fullbring made it so he survived ichigos getsuga tensho, i mean even himself admitted it in chapter 462 that if he hadnt taken ichigos fullbring the getsuga wouldve killed him or if not under the fullbring put it in like durability or spiritual power- FLAMESWORD300

Enhanced Energy Blast?
Has Kugo used an energy blast or a getsuga in these panels? --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> Talk   22:40, October 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * He used his energy blast in those, yes.--

Fullbring Absorption
I saw that Fullbring Absorption was marked as part of his Fullbring, im just shocked. Am I the only one who thought it was not connected to his fullbring? But the fact that he was a Fullbringer. It looks EXACTLY like the way a Shinigami can transfer powers or Rukia transfered her powers. Imo, if that is part of Ginjo's powers, then Rukia would be similar(And we all know for a fact, that she isnt)


 * There is no evidence to support it being a power of all Fullbringers and not just Kugo. Remember, when Rukia gave her power to Ichigo, she stabbed him, thus transferring her powers to him. When Kugo stabbed Ichigo, Ichigo's powers were transferred to Kugo, thus making it the exact opposite of what happened with Rukia. Kugo is the only Fullbringer shown taking the power of another Fullbringer and thus it will stay as his own power until there is proof otherwise.--

First sign your posts. Secondly its speculative to assume that his capability to absorb anothers fullbring which he does through use of his own fullbring isnt apart of it, theres nothing to prove that it isn't. Also what proof is there that a fullbringer can just take anothers power. There seems to be a lack of understanding on what a fullbringer can do. They have one power commonly based on a special object, that power may have certain techniques or capabilities linked to it. They dont have multiple abilities outside of that. Other then that they can simply manipulate the spirits of inanimate objects to aid them. Also since when can a shinigami take anothers powers. Rukia willingly transferred her powers to someone who doesn't have power (quite rare and a deadly to attempt on a human), this was showcased again when ichigo had his powers jump started via a special sword. Ginjo took power, thats different entirely. Your also incorrect about Rukia what she did is capable for any shinigami, its against the law to do because its not guaranteed to work and can lead to death for the human and a shinigami is not supposed to give their powers to humans. Rukia and other shinigami cant just absorb anothers powers unless thats an ability of their zanpakuto. --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  03:32, November 6, 2011 (UTC)