Bleach Wiki talk:Unmasked Project/Archive 1

Page Moves
Someone let me know when I should get started on the page moves. I don't want to start them without full approval to go ahead with them.--


 * I think Yyp and I will handle some of this for now, since we'll not only have to find all pages with mentions of the characters being moved, but there will also be event pages that'll have to be moved too. Arrancar109 (Talk)  22:08, June 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it would be easiest if I did it. I can set my bot to find all instances of the former name and replace it with the new one. I can run all characters at once and it would take me maybe only about 3 loops, an hour or so to do it all.--


 * Would you be doing all of them or some of them? I was thinking of starting some of them off right now, now that you brought it up, and if you need help, I would be more than happy to lend you some. Arrancar109 (Talk)  22:18, June 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I can handle any and all of them or we can divvy it up if you would like. For me, the page can be moved first and then I can change all instances of the former to the new one and point all links to the moved pages. The only difficult part for me is on the second sweep of the pages, I have to manually save all of the edits so I make sure not to change file names. I'll just run one for now. I'll do something easy, such as changing Gingerback to Gingerbuck. --

That should be it for the most part. Only thing I have left to do is change the links to the renamed fights. As it is 3:30 in the morning here, I will set it up tomorrow. Also, when editing be on the lookout for the string Findorr r. Because Findorr's name contains his previous name, the bot got itself into a loop several times. I think I got all the times it did this but I am not sure.--


 * Yeah, I found a few cases of that. It also deleted the space between Findorr and the next word a few times and either added or removed spaces as well. Thanks for handling the page renames. Seems there were a few misspellings of Baraggan's first name lying around since MASKED, which were creating dead links when his second name was changed too, so keep an eye out for any more of those too. I'll make a start on the 100 or so double redirects that need to be fixed later. 12:56, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

Other Info
(Not sure where this would go, but Here are translations for missing/known hollow holes and the corresponding page from the new databook. If anyone has the actual scans for the below short story, feel free to verify but I'm pretty sure this is correct. I simply lack a scanner to upload my own pages, however I managed to find the below listing of hollow holes on the bleach asylum forums. Also, if this is the wrong place to list this, please dont just delete it, actually take the time to verify it and then move it to its proper location since it took quite some time to type out.) http://i54.tinypic.com/auxjkw.jpg

starrk: (胸部)chest baraggan: (胸中央) center chest harribel: (下腹部-子宫) lower abdomen-uterus ulqiuorra: (胸部) chest nnoitra: (眼窩) eye orbit grimmjow: (腹部) abdomen zommari: (右乳首) right nipple szayel apporo: (亀頭) glans penis aaroniero: (左大腿部) left thigh yammy: (胸部) chest

Also, here is the translated version of the Harribel novel, verification that she did indeed survive along with her fraccion as well as verification that Yammy and Barragan are dead.

Nestle to Night

By Matsubara Makoto and Kubo Tite

Yammy – Yammy – It is nighttime in our world again…

After Aizen had left and all the Gargantas had closed, Hueco Mundo regained a sense of peace. Brushing by the ruins of Las Noches, the breeze seemed to carry with it sounds of lamentation. Yet apart from the sound of sand caught in the wind, there was only silence.

A single animal lay on this silent desert. It had the shape of a small dog, with the mask of a hollow and soft white fur. Its name was Kukkapuuro.

Kukkapuuro had lost almost all of its memories. It only knew that it was a hollow, and that this was Hueco Mundo. Calling itself “Kukkapuuro,” rubbing its forehead with its paw, and scratching the itch behind its ear were the only important memories that it had, sketched deep into its consciousness.

In a world full of reishi like Hueco Mundo, a small hollow like itself only needed to breathe to survive, and eventually become the prey of other hollows. Kukkapuuro was at the very bottom of the food chain, yet it was able to survive entirely because it stayed by the side of someone very strong.

Kukkapuuro looked to him and thought, “I think this person must be very important.”

As his steps were very large, he was always a great distance ahead, alwaus forcing Kukkapuuro to chase after his enormous shadow. He always looked at Kukkapuuro with an impatient mutter, refusing to even give it a name. He never held, petted, or shared food with it.

Even so, he never killed Kukkapuuro.

Until the very end, he also never left Kukkapuuro.



“It’s pretty quiet here…” was the first thing Mila-Rose said upon exiting the Garganta.

Following her, Apacci, Sung-Sun, and finally Tier Harribel also landed on the desert. Behind them, the Garganta silently closed, and the rip in space suddenly vanished.

“What a complete mess…” said Apacci, looking at the destruction caused to Las Noches by heated battles.

“It seems like everyone used pretty barbaric methods to fight…” said Sung-Sun, hiding her mouth behind her sleeve and looking up at the sky. The ceiling had broken in many places, creating a mosaic out of the artificial blue sky of Las Noches and the dark sky of Hueco Mundo beyond.

Harribel stared silently for a moment at the battlefield. The three of them, despite squabbling all the time, also followed her example and stood there in silence.

Standing behind Harribel’s right hand side, Apacci looked down at her own completely unharmed body, and clenched her fist.

(…Bastard!)

She muttered in her heart.

Only a few hours before, every single one of them had been close to death. Harribel’s body had suffered two wounds from Aizen’s zanpakutou Kyoka Suigetsu, one across her abdomen, and another pierced from her back through to her left chest. Apacci, Mila-Rose, and Sung-Sun had each lost an arm to create Allon, and had also suffered severe burns over their entire body from Yamamoto’s fires.

Apacci touched her left arm with her right hand. It felt completely normal, just like her orignal arm. There was also no pain remaining anywhere on her body.

(In the end… we still had to rely on the strength of humans…!)

She clenched her teeth.

The one who healed them had been Inoue Orihime. When the Fake Karakura Town had been switched back with the real one, the unconscious Arrancars had also been sent with the fake town to Soul Society. Apacci had asked her to come into the town to treat them, when Orihime came back from Hueco Mundo with Kuchiki Rukia and the rest to see Ichigo after his battle had finished.

The three of them that had been spared by Yamamoto were relatively fine compared to Harribel, who had suffered two life-threatening injuries. Apart from Orihime, there was probably nobody who could help her. Still, trusting her deeply revered Harribel to a human, for even one moment, was something that she could never forgive.

Apacci hardened her face, tightly gripping her arm.

(Such a bastard…!)

Her own undying feelings of gratitude to Orihime were something that she could never forgive.



Not long after Kurosaki Ichigo met everyone again, he let out an anguished cry that seemed to split open his throat, collapsed, and lost consciousness.

"Kurosaki-kun!!"

"Ichigo!!"

"Kurosaki!!"

Despite rejoicing only a few seconds before, Rukia, Orihime, Renji, Uryuu, and Chad now ran to Ichigo, calling out his name.

"Everyone, please be calm," said Urahara, stopping Orihime, who had her hands stretched out, ready to use Souten Kisshun. He saw her extremely troubled gaze and nodded to her, turning to the rest. "Kurosaki is fine. What happened just now does not endanger his life."

Chad let out a breath of relief upon hearing those words and lifted Ichigo, so that he might sleep facing up. His body, though unconscious, continued to convulse, and he let out a painful groan.

"What exactly happened to Ichigo...?" asked Rukia, frowning at Ichigo's pained state.

"In order to defeat Aizen, he used the Final Getsuga Tenshou."

"...Final?" asked Uryuu.

Urahara calmly closed his eyes, and slowly sighed. "It is a technique called 'Mugetsu,' and using it will cause him to lose all his shinigami powers... it is such a technique."

At first, everyone seemed to not understand his words. Perhaps unconsciously, they did not want to understand.

A few seconds later, Orihime murmured, "How could this be...!" She immediately collapsed to the floor.

"Shinigami... powers..." Rukia looked as if she had forgotten everything and only stared, unblinking, at Ichigo.

"Are you saying that Kurosaki can no longer be a shinigami...!?" exclaimed Uryuu, as if venting his feelings.

Urahara nodded sadly. "Yes."

"...The bastard!" Renji felt in his heart a tumultuous brew of emotions, that they had no choice but to rely on Ichigo, who wasn't even from Soul Society, that he had use this kind of technique, and that he was himself so weak.

"Ichigo...!" Chad also lowered his head, shaking at his feelings of remorse towards his own weakness.

Urahara waited until everyone had calmed down, and continued, "Kurosaki collapsing means that the first stage of his losing all his powers has begun. With Isshin's help, he trained for three months in the Dangai Precipice World's timeflow, until he attained 'Mugetsu'."

"Three months?!" Renji couldn't help but ask.

"That's why his hair is longer..." Uryuu said to himself.

Rukia envisioned the Ichigo that she had parted from in Hueco Mundo, and the one currently sleeping before her, putting both together in her mind. His hair had grown long, and it seemed like he was a bit taller. Whether unconsciously or not, his expression also seemed more mature. It had only been a few short days between the time when they sneaked into Hueco Mundo to save Orihime and the conclusion of all the fighting.

(But for you, it seems like it has been a very long fight...)

Rukia gave him a comforting glance.

"Right now his body is undergoing the effects of reversed timeflow from the time when he was in the Dangai. It will cause extreme pain and loss of consciousness, but it will not endanger his life."

"Is there anything that I can do...!" asked Orihime, distraught.

"Unfortunately, no." Urahara shook his head. "There is nothing we can do right now. After the timeflow reversion is complete, Kurosaki's shinigami powers will disappear. This is the first stage."

"And then what?!" asked Rukia, surprised.

Urahara nodded to her and continued, "As for the second stage, when the rest of his reaitsu stabilizes, he will wake up... and then, his remaining spiritual power will completely vanish."

"If that's the case, Ichigo will..." Chad swallowed.

"Never mind shinigami and hollows, he won't even be able to see normal pluses."

Upon hearing Urahara's words, everyone fell together into silence. Being able to see spirits - this was the very essence of Ichigo's existence, something which every single person there understood.

Looking at everyone's pained and gloomy expressions, Urahara said brightly, "Anyway, let's first take him somewhere to get help! Until the first stage completes, we can't send him home. If his sisters saw him all grown up like this, they would be very surprised!"

"...That's right." Renji was the first to lift his head. “There’s no use in us just sitting around and talking. Oi, bring a stretcher here!” he called out to the Fourth Squad members who were about to take apart the town. Two of the closer ones came over with a stretcher. “Take him to get help. Be careful…this is the great hero who captured Aizen!”

“Of course!” The two of them replied excitedly and bowed deeply. As the hero who had finally concluded this battle, Ichigo’s name had spread in a flash throughout the members of the Gotei 13.

When they had carefully moved Ichigo’s body onto the stretcher, Urahara and Uryuu looked up at the same time.

“Something’s coming!”

“This reiatsu… an Arrancar!?”

The two talented at sensing reiatsu lifted their heads and gazed upwards. Everyone else followed their example, looking to the sky.

Suddenly in the clear blue sky, a figure appeared using sonido, something only Arrancar could use. It came quickly, almost falling out of the sky.

They looked at the Arrancar on the ground. It was one of Tier Harribel’s fraccion, Apacci. Her skin was burnt, her left arm ripped off with blood still dripping from the wound, and it was all that she could do just to stand.

“You must not want to live…!” Renji fixed his glare on Apacci, his hand gripping his zanpakutou Zabimaru.

Still, Apacci did not even spare him a glance, as she had eyes only for Orihime. “Hey, woman…come…with me…” Her shoulder shook violently as she breathed, her words coming out in short bursts.

Seeing her heading towards Orihime, Rukia quickly put herself between the two. But before she could do anything, Apacci took another step and lost her balance, falling heavily to the ground.

“Bas…tard…” Trying to lift herself up, she grabbed a fistful of dirt.

“Souten Kisshun!” Orihime stretched out her hands, using her Shun Shun Rikka technique. Shun’o and Ayame flew to Apacci, surrounding her with a glowing healing field.

“Wait a minute, Inoue! That’s an Arrancar! There’s no reason to heal her!” Renji shouted. Orihime had once been kidnapped by the Arrancar and Renji understandably hoped that she would have no further contact with them.

“But, I can’t just do nothing…” Orihime walked past Rukia, coming closer to Apacci’s body. Even though she was an Arrancar, Orihime could not just leave someone who was hurt.

As Orihime started to focus on healing, Apacci said weakly, “Don’t mind me… first…save Harribel-sama…!”

“But, your wounds are also very serious…”

“Please!” Apacci lifted her head and grabbed Orihime’s hand, her own hand shaking, either from the pain or something else. “Please quickly… save Harribel-sama…!” Her eyes held no antagonistic, killing, or deceitful intent, only concern for her nakama, like Orihime herself.

“…I understand! Please take me there!” Orihime released her Souten Kisshun, and offered Apacci her shoulder.

“I’ll go too. Take hold of me.” Rukia stood to her other side, taking note of the wound to her shoulder, and carefully holding her up. Rukia’s left arm was also wounded and in a sling, but her right arm was tightly gripped around Apacci. Surprised, Apacci widened her eyes but did not say anything, relying on the two of them.

“Well then, I guess I have no choice…come on!” Renji walked up to them and bent over. “You’re in a hurry, right? Then let me carry you. It seems like I’m the least wounded out of all of you…”

“Thank you, Abarai-kun!” Orihime and Rukia carefully placed Apacci on Renji’s back. Renji stood up and started walking towards the fake Karakura town, with Orihime and Uryuu following behind him.

“Urahara, Chad, I’ll just leave Ichigo with you then!” Rukia ran off to join them, leaving Urahara to explain Ichigo’s injuries and Chad to nurse the wound to his leg.



Seeing some movement amongst the rubble, Sung-Sun asked, “Who’s there!?”

“Woof!” Kukkapuuro walked out of the shadows, running towards the four of them.

“You’re Yammy’s…” Harribel remembered that this tiny little hollow always was by Yammy’s side.

“Near here…I can feel the remains of Yammy’s reiatsu,” said Mila-Rose. It was his reaitsu from where he had used all his strength for battle.

“That fellow Yammy, he’s always so absent-minded, and always thinking himself so great, as if!” said Apacci in her usual voice. The other two nodded their agreement.

“What then…that bastard!” she said, kicking up the sand. Apacci hoped that everything would become normal soon. That humans, shinigami, this battle, and contact with Soul Society would all soon be forgotten.

“Che! Have they already discovered…!” murmured Mila-Rose, focusing on the reiatsu signatures around them.

Sung-Sun nodded, frowning. “Hn…there’s a group of mid-level hollows congregating in that direction.”

The hollows who before had feared Aizen and the Espadas’ strength were now starting to surround Las Noches.

“There’s…going to be another war then…” Harribel’s expression was grim and her heart felt heavy. As she had followed Aizen hoping that his superior strength might stop unnecessary wars from ever happening, she was unwilling to let such a thing happen.

“Harribel-sama.”

Hearing that call, she turned and saw Sung-Sun kneeling on the floor. She lowered her head and said, “Barragan is dead. Aizen is gone. The only one fit to become ruler of Hueco Mundo is now Harribel-sama.”

“I agree!” Apacci also kneeled, bowing her head.

“No matter what, please become the new ruler of Hueco Mundo!” Mila-Rose also knelt.

Harribel lowered her head, calmly regarding the three who were now awaiting an answer. “Hueco Mundo does not need a ruler.”

“A fake sun can not illuminuate this darkness.” The blue sky created by Aizen stretched above them. “Hueco Mundo has darkness…and only needs a peaceful darkness.”

Harribel slowly blinked and started walking towards the center of Las Noches. The three of them stood up, exchanged glances, and silently nodded.

“We will always serve you, Harribel-sama!” said Sung-Sun, as they followed her.

After five or six steps, Apacci stood still and looked back at Kukkapuuro, which was still staring at the four of them. “Hey, little thing! You’ll be killed if you stay in a place like this!” She walked over and picked it up, but Kukkapuuro yelped and struggled from her grasp.

Seeing this, Sung-Sun said to her, “Let it go. Don’t you understand that it wholly wants to stay here?”

“You’re so noisy! I don’t need you to tell me. I was planning to let it go!” She put it down and Kukkapuuro happily yelped, wagging its tail.

“You too, also have something that you cannot leave?” Mila-Rose gently petted Kukkapuuro’s head, before walking back to Harribel’s side with the other two.

Their shadows slowly disappeared. Their footprints also vanished, smoothed out by the wind.

Kukkapuuro stayed there and saw it all.

To this day, it is still there, still missing its deceased master.

http://imageshack.us/f/405/unmaskedpg233.jpg/


 * Wow. I don't kno how accurately this was translated, but man. Very well written (If anyone hasn't read the above, read it.) Its obviously too early to label Harribel and the other 3 alive, but we'll see. Once more of this book has been translated by more people here. I can't believe how much time Kubo put into this dog Kukkapuuro. Yet Yammy got beaten off-screen. Atleast Grimmjow got that honor before being written off like a second rate filler character, who Kubo barely acknowledges. This was all made worse by Kenpachi's comment saying how weak Yammy was. Really Kubo? U wrote off the most powerful Espada like he was garbage, and gave the dog more dignity. Amazing. Kubo really is one of a kind. Minato  (Talk)  20:50, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * To early to label Harribel and her girls alive? Am I the only person who clearly saw those 4 walking throughout the desert in Hueco Mundo? Clearly they're alive. If you recall, he did the same thing for Aivirrne.
 * Thunderwitch (talk) 11:21, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

The picture itself is not enough to work off of, and the source of the apparent text translation needs to be verified by our translators before we assume anything. Arrancar109 (Talk)  16:57, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

If that's the case, shouldn't Loly status also be unconfirmed since a picture itself is not enough to work off? Actually, shouldn't all of the Espada be unconfirmed if pictures aren't enough to work off off? Many of them weren't pronounced dead. That sounds absoluetly ridiculous. He clearly drew them alive, the poem was translated by multiple people, yet it's not good enough. Okay.

Thunderwitch (talk) 07:02, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * The picture itself is not enough because it has not time correlation to it. It could depict a moment before Harribel died. When we can confirm for ourselves the meaning of said picture, we will make the appropriate changes whatever they may be.--


 * Godisme is correct, that would be like labelling anyone who died in a prequel story as unconfirmed!! We have yet to ascertain that these stories are from pre-FKT Arc or post-FKT Arc!! We are not dictators here that don't add info because we have something against the info, we just have set rules in order to ensure the best quality Wiki possible and to ensure that, the rules must always be followed regardless!! SunXia  (Chat)  11:01, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Misc. Info
Kido update. According to Unmasked, Hado # 12 is Fushibi. --Urie12 (talk) 04:03, July 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * We are working on translating unmasked. Pleas eb patient.--

Poem
Woo, doggie! I'm back from the dead, and thought, since the Translation Corner would be way too cramped if I posted such there, that I would post my unfolding-and-being-updated work on UNMASKED directly in its talk here, trying to follow an order that mimicked the scanned pages in the Corner for easier reference/comparison (although I skipped some in between so far).

If a better configuration later seems apparent, our mighty admins et al. can rearrange the posts to their liking. :)

Abaitamono ha

yokubou to kyomu

Ushinaumono ha

nanimonai

The things exposed,

desire and nothingness

The thing lost,

nothing

Adam Restling (talk) 12:21, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Techniques 1
My first major undertaking since being back was Techniques because a) I was quite interested in them, and b) I thought they would be some of the easiest in terms of content (at least with their names), but hardest in terms of volume, that I could actually do in something like a timely fashion.

Not yet complete, but plan to update soon. I got a bunch out of the way already anyway, so hopefully the last ones will take much less time. Header numbers correspond to their order in the Translation Corner. And thanks to the work of many others, such as Licoutrix, MadRest, and folks like Lumi on Livejournal--even with her having some mistakes--and Reikson for bringing forth the link. Forgive me any typos or the like, and if you see a mistake, please let me know--I'll try myself to sift through my work for any needed revisions as well, esp. after such a voluminous posting.

P.S. I can appreciate Kubo's incorrect compounding of Spanish/German etc. words (since having to use de, del, de la in so many terms would get tired), and I excuse his "stylized" mistakes (such as mixing genders) to a great extent; in the below notes, thus, I give only corrections of spelling where seems appropriate (after all, if UNMASKED writes Resurrección with its proper acute ó, why should this be dropped in other terms, like Telon Balon?

As in other cases, with some of the technique names, it may be smart to use translations as the official "look-up" name, and the original Japanese as the gloss, but the opposite for other things, e.g. I would keep Getsuga Tenshō and gloss it in its article (moon-fang heaven-clash) or the like, but I'd use super acceleration as the article name, and gloss it (chōkasoku). I guess, though, that final decisions like that will be up to a consensus.

EDRAD LIONES

Palma Plancha (鉄甲掌(パルマ・プランチャ) Paruma Purancha) Japanese for "iron shell palm", Spanish for "palm sheet"

(palm attack on ikkaku)

LUPPI ANTENOR

Lanza Tentaculo (触槍(ランサ・テンタクーロ) Ransa Tentakūro) Japanese for "tactile/feeler lance", Spanish for "lance tentacle"

Spanish should be tentáculo

(single attack to hitsugaya's bankai)

La Helice (旋腕陣(ラ・ヘリーセ) Ra Herīse) Japanese for "whirling arm array", Spanish for "the propeller/spiral"

should be hélice

(propeller attack with tentacles)

Jaula Tentaculo (触檻(ハウラ・テンタクーロ) Haura Tentakūro) Japanese for "tactile/feeler cage", Spanish for "cage tentacle"

Spanish should be tentáculo

(multiple tentacle attack against hitsugaya)

Hierro Virgen (鉄の処女(イエロ・ビルヘン) Iero Biruhen) Japanese and Spanish for "iron virgin/maiden"

''Likely a reference to the torture device. Note that the usu. Spanish term for this device is'' doncella de hierro; however, the underlying Kanji are the usu. Japanese translation of it (tetsu no shojo).

(spike attack almost used againt rangiku)

DEMOURA ZODD

Lengua Tronco (舌柱砲(レングア・トロンコ) Rengua Toronko) Japanese for "tongue pillar gun", Spanish for "tongue trunk"

(tonuge attack on chad)

GANTENBAINNE MOSQUEDA

Rugir der Dragon (龍哮拳 (リュヒル・デル・ドラゴン) Ryuhiru deru Doragon) Japanese for "dragon roar fist", Spanish for "roar of the dragon"

should have ~ del dragón; rugir should be katakana Ruhiru; the y '' thrown in may be a mistake... or may be a sly nod to Japanese ryū "dragon"?''

(giant energy ball attack in resereccion form)

CIRUCCI SANDERWICCI

all the cortadolas should be cortadora, the feminine word for "cutter"

Ala Cortadola (断翼(アラ・コルタドーラ) Ara Korutadōra) Japanese for "severing wing", Spanish for "wing cutter"

(giant bladed wing attack against ishida)

Ala Cortadola Hachador (断人“大斧”(アラ・コルタドーラ・アチャドール) Ara Korutadōra Achadōru) Japanese for "severer great ax", Spanish for "wing cutter axman"

(giant tail fan weapon)

Ala Cortadola Gradiator (断人“剣士”(アラ・コルタドーラ・グラディアトール) Ara Korutadōra Guradiatōru) Japanese for "severer swordsman", Spanish for "wing cutter gladiator"

should prob. be actual Spanish gladiador

(tail energy sword weapon)

Ala Cortadola Dispersion (断翼“散”(アラ・コルタドーラ・ディスペルシオン) Ara Korutadōra Disuperushion) Japanese for "severing wing dispersion", Spanish for "wing cutter dispersion"

should be ~ dispersión

(multiple flying wing blades attacking ishida)

DORDONI ALESSANDRO DEL SOCACCIO

Baron Puntapies Alto (男爵蹴踋術・上段(バロン・プンタビエス・アルト) Baron Puntabiesu Aruto) Japanese for "baron kick skid - upper tier", Spanish for "baron high kicks"

Spanish should be barón, puntapiés

(flip kick used by Dordonnii)

El Uno Picotear (単鳥嘴踋(エル・ウノ・ピコテアル) Eru Uno Pikotearu) Japanese for "single bird beak skid", Spanish for "the one pecking"

(single bird tornado attacking with its mouth)

Ave Mellizos (双鳥踋(アベ・メジーソス) Abe Mejīsosu) Japanese for "twin bird skid", Spanish for "bird twins"

(summoning of the two bird tornadoes about release)

TESRA LINDOCRUZ

Cero Cornea (視虚閃(セロ・コルネア) Sero Korunea) Japanese for "glancing Hollow flash", Spanish for "zero cornea"

Spanish should be córnea

(building up to fire cero)

Plato Colmillo (牙盾(プラート・コルミージョ) Purāto Korumījo) Japanese for "tusk shield", Spanish for "plate tusk"

(zanpakuto technique unreleased, shield against chads attack)

Note that Spanish and Japanese use the same word (colmillo, 牙) for "fang, tusk"; however, since Tesra's release resembles a boar, I chose the most likely intepretation here. Plato ''can also mean "chain wheel"... interesting, considering the circular guard design of Tesra's Zanpakutō.''

Adam Restling (talk) 18:56, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you Adam, we will get right to putting these up on articles.--

My knowledge of spanish is a little...incomplete but couldn't Lengua also translate as language?Licourtrix (talk) 14:19, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * True, but it's all about context. In the "scene-of-use" for this technique, for example, Demoura is attacking with his literal, physical tongue. Adam Restling (talk) 18:20, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't some of the Spanish translations have opposite translations? Like Plato Colmillo should be Tusk Plate insted of Plate Tusk. I think in Spanish, when translating, the word on the right side goes to the left and vice-versa. On the wiki, Caja Negacion is translated as Negation Box, and not Box Negation. Mad Rest 13:59, July 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * You prob. already have, but see our discussion of this elsewhere. Adam Restling (talk) 18:20, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Techniques 2
GRIMMJOW JAEGERJAQUEZ

Garra de la Pantera (豹鉤(ガラ・デ・ラ・パンテラ) Gara de ra Pantera) Japanese for "panther hook(s)/barb(s)", Spanish for "claw of the panther"

(elbow darts used by Grimmjow in resereccion against ichigo)

ZOMMARI RUREAUX

El Embrion (守胚姿勢(エル・エンブリオン) Eru Enburion) Japanese for "embryo-protecting force", Spanish for "the embryo"

Spanish should be embrión

(protective globe Zommari retreats into)

SZAYELAPORRO GRANZ

Teatro de Titere (人形芝居(テアトロ・デ・ティテレ) Teatoro de Titere) Japanese and Spanish for "puppet theatre"

Spanish should be títere

(Puppet ability used against Ishida, renji and mayuri)

Telon Balon (球体幕(テロン・バロン) Teron Baron) Japanese for "globe curtain", Spanish for "curtain ball/bale"

Spanish should be telón balón

(protective use of wings)

NNOITRA GILGA

Indice Radar (捜指法(インディセ・ラダール) Indise Radāru) Japanese for "searching way", Spanish for "mark radar"

Spanish should be índice. 捜指 combines 捜 "search out, seek" and 指 "finger; point out, indicate".

(ability to check how much spiritual power)

FINDORR CALIUS

Silbido (呼虚笛(シルビード) Shirubīdo) Japanese for "vocative Hollow flute/whistle", Spanish for "whistle"

(technique calls forth many hollow)

Afinar (彫面(アフィーナル) Afināru) Japanese for "face-carving/sculpting", Spanish for "tuning/refining"

please note before trying to correct me that in Romance languages like Spanish, going back to their parent Latin, these infinitives can be used as nouns

(technique used to cut off portion of facial mask to gain more power) -

Tijeras Neptunea (海王鋏(ティヘラス・ネプトゥネア) Tiherasu Neputunea) Japanese for "sea king shears", Spanish for "Neptunian shears/scissors"

Neptunea seems to be pseudo-Latin cum Spanish here; a real Spanish form might be Neptunianas

(claw attack attempting to cut up hisagi)

EMILOU APACCI

Pulsera Cuerno (角輪(プルセラ・クエルノ) Purusera Kueruno) Japanese for "horn/antler ring", Spanish for "bracelet horn/antler"

(thrown zanpakuto attack)

ABIRAMA REDDER

Pluma Viento (餓翼風盾(プルーマ・ビエト) Purūma Biento) Japanese for "ravening wing wind shield", Spanish for "feather wind"

(defensive technique against izuru)

Devorar Erupcion (噴血餓相(デボラル・エルプシオン) Deboraru Erupushion) Japanese for "blood-spuming rapacity", Spanish for "devouring eruption"

should be Spanish erupción

(technique allowing him to gain more power)

GGIO VEGA

Misil Diente (双射牙(ミシル・ディエンテ) Mishiru Diente) Japanese for "twin-shot fangs", Spanish for "missile tooth"

(attack that fires fangs on side of head at target)

AYON

El Martillo (怪槌(エル・マルティージョ) Eru Marutījo) Japanese for "fey/spectral hammer", Spanish for "the hammer"

(developing an enlarged arm)

FŪRĀ

Regüeldo (レグウェルド Reguwerudo) "belch/eruction"

(great blow that dispersed yama flames)

WONDERWEISS MARGELA

Vagido (ヴァヒード Vahīdo) "(newborn) child's wail/cry, mewl"

I bū (イ・ブー)

perhaps simply onomatopoeia for the sounds he makes (???)

(wonderweiss's cry attack)

Centurion (百奇皇手(センチュリオン) Senchurion) Japanese for "hundred wondrous imperial hands", Spanish for "centurion"

Should be Spanish centurión, and in katakana Senturion. It could be worth noting that Japanese occasionally uses the suffix "hand" as agential, similar to English -er and, indeed, as in English farm hand = farm worker.

(wonderweiss in resereccion multiple arm attack against yamamoto)

ULQUIORRA CIFER

Descorrer (解空(デスコレール) Desukorēru) Japanese for "loosed void", Spanish for "drawing back/opening (something)"

''解 means "loose, untie, dissolve, release", while 空, usu. "empty, void", can also mean "sky" (< "the empty air"), though this is more often the case when specifically read'' sora

(technique to open the garganta)

Solita Vista (共眼界(ソリタ・ヴィスタ) Sorita Visuta) Japanese for "all-eyes world", Spanish for "accustomed view"

(replay sight ability)

Luz de la Luna (ルス・デ・ラ・ルナ Rusu de ra Runa) "light of the moon"

(1st resereccion throwing energy javalin)

Latigo (ラティーゴ Ratīgo) "(point of a) lash/whip"

should be látigo

(2ND resereccion tail attack on ichigo)

Adam Restling (talk) 19:04, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Techniques 3
YASUTORA SADO

Grua Tirar (クレーン投げ(グルーア・ティラール) Gurūa Tirāru) Japanese and Spanish for "crane-throw"

crane here means the machine, not the bird; the Spanish should be spelled grúa.

(chad throwing demora)

ISSHIN KUROSAKI

Agitowari (顎割) "chin/jaw splitting"

(zanjutsu technique that cuts grand fisher in half)

Oni Dekopin (鬼デコピン) "oni headpoke"

dekopin seems to derive from deko "brow, forehead" and maybe pin "pin(prick), poke"

(hakuda, finger flick given to aizen)

RYŪKEN ISHIDA

Klavier (クラヴィーア Kuravīa) German for "piano"

(single handed multiple arrow attack against the regenerating hollows)

YORUICHI SHIHŌIN

Raiōken (雷王拳) "thunder king fist"

(hakuda, attack from above on aizen)

KISUKE URAHARA

Kamisori Benihime (剃刀紅姫) "razor Benihime"

(zanpakuto technique, used against luppis tentacle)

Keikaigi (繫界儀) "world-tying rite"

Tsuppane Benihime (突ッ撥紅姫) "spurning Benihime"

(zanpakuto technique, used to negate yammys bala)

Jūgeki Byakurai (Modified Kidō) (重撃白雷(改造鬼道) Jūgeki Byakurai (Kaizō Kidō)) "heavy-strike Byakurai"

(kido blast used when first arriving against Aizen)

Fūsatsu Kakei (封殺火刑) "seal slaying-fire penance"

(kido seal used initially against aizen)

Kyūjūrokkei Kakafūmetsu (九十六京火架封滅) "ninety-six capitol fire-suspended seal destruction"

(kido, attack on Aizen)

SHINJI HIRAKO

Tanma Otoshi (タンマ落とし) "time-out drop"

(kido)

Hirako "drops" Ichigo into a *siesta* with this one

Noren Mekuri (暖簾捲り) "curtain stripping"

Hirako strips off the veneer of invisibility Aizen had been using to eavesdrop

(kido)

Adam Restling (talk) 19:14, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'd agree that Senescencia  is probably Kubo mistaking the original latin word (senesco, senescere) for Spanish. I now owe my high school latin teacher an apology, I told her I'd only be able to use a knowledge of latin to creep people out.Licourtrix (talk) 14:35, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, a stylized fusion of the Latin derived-noun form senēscentia and the usu. Spanish descendant of Latin -tia in such cases, -cia. I admit, it's *purdier* to my ear, at least :).


 * LOL, "creep people out"? For they fear Draculatin, the Undead Language! XD Adam Restling (talk) 10:56, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Techniques 4
HIYORI SARUGAKI

Suikawari (西瓜割) "watermelon splitting"

Japan's beloved summer pastime is now a brutal-ass melee attack!

(hiyori cutting a hollow down the middle of the mask)

Gatling Mad-Stomping (ガトリング地団駄 Gatoringu Jidanda)

jidanda means "stomping angrily/with vexation", here with machine-gun vehemence

(hiyori multiple stopping on a Ichigos face)

RŌJŪRŌ ŌTORIBASHI

Arpeggio (アルペジオ Arupejio)

Italian, "harp-playing" (specifically striking the notes of a chord one each from lowest to highest)

(Rose entrancing the hollow)

KENSEI MUGURUMA

Bakudantsuki (爆弾突き) "bomb(shell) strike/thrust"

(Kensei's charged energy ball used against Hollow ichigo)

Sandbag Beat (サンドバッグ・ビート Sandobaggu Bīto)

i.e., beating like a punching bag

(Kensei multiple punches to a hollows face)

RISA YADŌMARU

Senmaioroshi (千枚卸) "thousand-page wholesale"

prob. a reference to both her sword rending the Menos apart like they were myriad leaves, and Risa's love of thousands of pages of manga

(lisa dicing up a hollow)

Panty-flash Tornado (パンチラトルネード Panchira Torunēdo)

panchira seems to combine pan (short for pantsu "panties") and chira "flutter", thus giving the meaning of the panties being visible via the fluttering of, say, a short skirt

(lisa twirling upside down kick against hollow ichigo)

HACHIGEN USHŌDA

Standing Ovation (スタンディング・オベーション Sutandingu Obēshon)

(kido, hachi's kido box attack against the hollows)

Goyōgai (五養蓋) "five support cover" (< its pentagonal shape)

(kido, hachi's spell to stablize hiyori)

Roppō Fūjin (六方封陣) "hexagon seal array"

(kido, hachi first kido attack on Barragan)

Hako Okuri (匣遺) "box farewell"

''遺 is usu. read nokosu "to abandon, leave, forsake; bequeath, reserve". The reading here seeks to augment/color this meaning with that of okuri "send-off, dispatch, bid farewell (as to the departed)."''

(Kido, Hachi's spell that killed baraggan)

RABU ("LOVE") AIKAWA

Kagamibiraki (鏡開) "mirror opening"

''This term is often used of cutting cake or ceremonial breaking of sake casks, so the implication seems to be that Love is really "tearing this Hollow apart/a new one", maybe ripping it into halves that "mirror" one another. The bloody celebratory angle could work, too.''

(Love pulling a hollows head apart)

SHIGEKUNI GENRYŪSAI YAMAMOTO

Inemuri (威眠) "forced slumber"

Though i ''is usu. glossed "majesty, authority", it can also mean "might, force" (extended to > "potence, awe" > "authority"). Since this forces Momo asleep, I chose this translation.''

(kido, made momo fall asleep)

Onibi (鬼火) "oni fire"

(Zanpakuto technique used to destroy ayon)

Taimatsu (松明) "torch(light)"

(staff poked through Ayons chest)

SUI-FENG

Kazaguruma (風車) "windmill/pinwheel" (< "wind-carriage")

SHŪHEI HISAGI

Kubikake (首挂) "head/neck-hanging"

(zanpakuto technique (physical attack), used to grab hold of tosen)

TŌSHIRŌ HITSUGAYA

Zanhyō Ningyō (残氷人形) "lingering ice puppet/doll"

(Hitsugaya's ice doll trick)

RANGIKU MATSUMOTO

Neko Rinbu (猫輪舞) "cat round dance"

(matsumoto's whirlwhind attack against harrbels faccion)

KENPACHI ZARAKI

Ryōdan (両断) "bisection" (< "splitting both/in two")

(Kendo, attack used against nnorita)

Adam Restling (talk) 19:21, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Techniques 5
These are mostly the joke or gag "techniques".

ISSHIN KUROSAKI

Isshin Flying Double Knee (一心・フライング・ダビル・ニー Isshin Furaingu Daburu Nī)

(Isshins knee attack on ichigo)

Isshin Handstand Dash (一心・サカダチダッシュ Isshin Sakadachi Dasshu)

(Isshin runs on his hands after his daughters)

"Handstand" is rendered in Japanese as sakadachi, more lit. "(up)turned/upside-down-standing".

Chōhigezutsuki (超ヒゲ頭突き) "super stubble headbutt"

(hakuda, isshin head butts ichigo after revealing he's a shinigami)

CHAD with RUKIA

Chad Catapult (チャド・カタプルト Chado Katapuruto)

(chad throwing rukia)

TETSUZAEMON IBA

Bukkomi Dogeza (特攻土下座) "full-blast dogeza"

''The bower of POWER! The Kanji 特攻 are usu. read tokkō and mean "special attack"; but here, the Ruby characters indicate they're to be read as bukkomi, which means "bust-in, put-down".''

(sliding kneeling position, when he was late, before rukias execution)

HIYORI SARUGAKI

Super Harisen Slipper (スーパーハリセンスリッパ Sūpā Harisen Surippa)

Harisen, more lit. "spread (hence open) fan", referred to a slapstick with a paper fan (prob. used to hit people), and now slapstick in general.

(hiyori hitting shinji with a slipper)

RANGIKU MATSUMOTO

Flirter-killing Savate (痴漢殺しソバット Chikangoroshi Sobatto)

Chikan, ''more lit. "fool-man", seems to have originally referred to a more innocuous "romantic fool, flirt(er)", but these days more often to a "groper, molester". Which of these meanings is used will prob. fall to consensus. Savate is kickboxing, specifically French kickboxing.''

Flirter-killing Two-kick (痴漢殺トゥキック Chikangoroshi Tukikku)

(both kicks to asano)

NEL

Chōkasoku (超加速) "super acceleration"

kasoku "acceleration" is more lit. "increased-speed".

Nel Shower (ネルシャワー Neru Shawā)

''Nel's magical healing technicolor yawn. And now that you know its name, you may want a real shower.''

KUROTSUCHI PARENT AND CHILD

Hand Drill (手ドリル Tedoriru)

"It’s the Mayuri-style *** technique!" (マユリ式○○○(ビー)術ダヨ Mayurishiki *bī* jutsu da yo)

''Kurotsuchi proudly speaks to us of this technique he used to revive Nemu following her playing host to Szayelaporro's "Gabriel" technique. However, the data is actually *bleep*'d here in the book because, if you remember that part of the story, the process was apparently raunchy beyond telling and should not have been viewed by anyone.'' XD

Woo, lawdy. That was a lot of stuff. Once again, if you note any errors, please let me/the appropriate authorities know--once my browser comes back to TRUE life, I'll prob. proofread some more meself. Will try to update more soon. In all the above, my own notes are in italics underneath the main entry data. Adam Restling (talk) 19:34, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

In the image there's Jinta and an image to the left of him with Ichigo but there's no Jinta mentioned, is there a mistake?? SunXia  (Chat)  21:50, July 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * It looks like it's just a word balloon/vignette associated with the "Ichigo Home Run" technique wherein Jinta is giving Ichigo pointers for his swing. Damn redheaded kanabou-slinger, he thinks his ass owns baseball and battery! XD Adam Restling (talk) 13:36, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Techniques 6
Sorry this took so long; my browser continues to hate it when I do things that involve a lot of Kanji searching and switching between the pics to try and make sure the stuff is all right (even for the terms we already knew, I tried to double-check).

I also hope my organizing the entries didn't mess with anybody.

ACIDWIRE

Tail Shaker (テイルシェイカー Teirusheikā)

Vitriol Shot (ヴィトリアルショット Vitoriarushotto)

GRAND FISHER

Oppression (圧髪(オプレッション) Opuresshon) "force hair"

Migration (移胴(ミグレイション) Migureishon) "shift torso"

I would’ve expected maigureishon.

Transcribe (脳写(トランスクライブ) Toransukuraibu) "brain projection"

DEMI-HOLLOW

Sticker Phlegm (スティッカー・フレム Sutikkā Furemu)

SHRIEKER

Spouting (スパウティング Supautingu)

Tuning Fork Bomb (チューニング・フォーク・ボム Chūningu Fōku Bomu)

NUMB CHANDELIER

Bulb Scatter (バルブスキャッター Barubusukyattā)

TESSAI TSUKABISHI

Tesshō (鉄掌) "iron palm" (offensive attack used against hollows in the first arc)

YORUICHI SHIHŌIN

Taketonbo (竹蜻蛉) "bamboo dragonfly"

This is the term for a children’s toy. (combat move while fighting against sui-feng)

KISUKE URAHARA

Shibireyubi (しびれ指) "numbing finger" (techniuqe used to incapacitate rukia)

Hōzuri (頬摺) "cheek stroke" (slash that lightly attacks target used)

SUI-FENG

Takigoi (滝鯉) "waterfall carp" (combat move while fighting against yoruichi)

KANAME TŌSEN

Sentan Hakuja (千反白蛇) "thousand-coil white snake"

(teleportation move used to kidnap renji and rukia)

MAYURI KUROTSUCHI

Nikubakudan (肉爆弾) "flesh bomb" (technique he used to blow up his own squad members)

Mushikuidama (虫喰玉) "worm-eating ball" (explosion used to get into the 4th division)

Nisehada (贋膚) "false skin" (camouflage used when meeting Uryu)

Nikushibuki (肉飛沫) "flesh splash" (technique used to explode himself into liquid)

Jabarakaina (蛇腹腕) "snake belly arm" (technique used to extend his arm)

Man, Kurotsuchi sure is obsessed with "flesh", huh?

Techniques 7
Note that a lot of erroneous technique translations, esp. amongst the Kidō, are prob. due to people dashing off to look up the names by English spelling, and not also referring to their Kanji. Thus, Enkōsen ends up translated “arc shield”, apparently by confusion with the sound-alike ( but spelled with different Kanji) word enko (円弧) "arc" ("round[ed] arc/bow"), and maybe sen "stopper"(?).

Please also note that my own translations of the terms below are based on my dictionary of Kanji, and if the established terms (i.e., those already in use in this Wiki) seem reasonably close/well-trenched, consensus will prob. rule said-established terms be allowed to stand.

The sporadic references which appear for some of the terms are apparently for where their use appears--and so is cited from--in the BLEACH volumes; sic., "JC 20maki [172]" apparently = "(Shōnen) Jump Comics (BLEACH) vol. 20 ch. (I think) 172". These can be removed later in further edits if desired.

KIDŌ

cites three "classes of incantations’ recitation" (kotodama no eishō no shurui)

eishō haki (詠唱破棄) "incantation abandonment"

nijū eishō (二重詠唱) "twofold incantation"

kōjutsu eishō (後述詠唱) "spoken-after incantation"

HADŌ

1 - Shō (衝) "clash"

4 - Byakurai (白雷) "white thunder"

11 - Tsuzuri Raiden (綴雷電) "bound lightning"

12 - Fushibi (伏火) "lain fire"

31 - Shakkahō (赤火砲) "red fire gun/cannon"

32 - Ōkasen (黄火閃) "yellow fire flash"

33 - Sōkatsui (蒼火墜) "blue firefall"

54 - Haien (廃炎) "nullific flames"

58 - Tenran (闐嵐) "swelling storm"

Ten is apparently an incredibly rare Kanji (much like en in Engetsu), lacking much gloss beyond its use as place name "in the province of Xinjiang"; the best meaning I could find was "fill up; rumbling sound", so I used "welling", which hopefully confers some of each of these meanings.

63 - Raikōhō (雷吼炮) "thunder roar sear"

JC20maki [177]

73 - Sōren Sōkatsui (双漣蒼火墜) "twin-wake blue firefall"

"Wake" as in "ripples", as across water.

88 - Hiryū Gekizoku Shinten Raihō (飛竜撃賊震天雷炮) "flying dragon marring heaven-shaking thunder-sear"

90 - Kurohitsugi (黒棺) "black coffin"

91 - Senju Kōten Taihō (千手皎天汰炮) "thousand-hand bright heaven culling-sear"

96 - Ittō Kasō (一刀火葬) "lone sword cremation"

A "sacrifice Hadō" (gisei Hadō). Fun to note that the Japanese for "cremation", kasō, is more lit. "fire burial".

Techniques 8
BAKUDŌ

1 - Sai (塞) "block"

JC1maki [1]

4 - Hainawa (這縄) "crawling rope/cord"

8 - Seki (斥) "repulsion"

21 - Sekienton (赤煙遁) "red smoke flight"

"Flight" as in "fleeing".

26 - Kyokkō (曲光) "bent light"

Kyakko is erroneous. The concept of "bending light" to achieve invisibility has become popular in science-fiction contexts, such as the Predator’s "chameleon field".

30 - Shitotsu Sansen (嘴突三閃) "beak-thrust tri-flash"

37 - Tsuriboshi (吊星) "hanging star"

39 - Enkōsen (円閘扇) "round lock fan"

58 - Kakushi Tsuijaku (摑趾追雀) “trace-catching pursuant sparrows”

JC 20maki [172]

61 - Rikujō Kōrō (六杖光牢) "six-staff light prison"

62 - Hyappo Rankan (百歩欄干) "hundred-step rail parch"

63 - Sajō Sabaku (鎖条鎖縛) "chainlink chain bond(s)"

73 - Tōzanshō (倒山晶) "inverse mountain crystal"

75 - Gochū Tekkan (五柱鉄貫) "five-post iron weights"

Kan is a Sino-Japanese unit of weight, about 8 1/2 pounds, but is also sometimes used (if rarely) for "weight" in general; it can also sometimes mean "brace". Thus, I used "weights", as this could nicely express both the measurement and the fact that they weigh the target down.

77 - Tentei Kūra (天挺空羅) "heavens void net"

The element tei is tricky, as it's a counter, or count-classifier, for guns, tools, etc.; this is prob. why it Viz translated it as "rickshaws" (another class of implements tei serves as a counter for). Ra is traditonally "silk", but can also, I believe, mean "net" (< "gauze, warp of silk") and, since it "connects" the awarenesses of its targets so they all hear the transmitted message, this seemed most apt.

79 - Kuyō Shibari (九曜縛) "nine-(day)light bonds"

81 - Dankū (断空) "parsing void"

I usu. translate dan and its related forms as "parsing", so that it may encompass its multiple meanings, such as "severing, cutting" (as occurs in Zaraki's technique, Ryōdan and as tachi in Kensei's Tachikaze I believe), but also the less physical/more abstract sense seen in Dangai (the world that "divides" or serves as "interstice" to the other worlds).

The Kanji for dan on the article as it is should be changed, as the current one uses older 斷 instead of the one in the manga/guidebook, 断.

99 - Kin (禁) "ban"

99 2nd Order - Bankin (卍禁) "full ban"

Ban here translated "full", as in Bankai, for the same reason: though it lit. = "well-being" (Sanskrit su-asti), it seems to also invoke--and so likely hear intend to use--its extended meanings of "full" (< perhaps the influence of unrelated ban, man "full; fill", since well-being could = "fulfillment") and ban, man "ten thousand; forever" (< "full of [years], blessed span [of life]").

Shokyoku - Shiryū (初曲・止繃) "first song - halting swathe/wrap"

You may notice that kyoku "song" is the same that appears as "bend" in Kyokkō; apparently, the words semantic flexibility owes to an expressive thought of such a song as a "bending/lilting of the voice", so some similar thing.

JC 8maki [64]

Nikyoku - Hyakurensan (弐曲・百連閂) "second song - hundred serial bolts"

"Bolt" here refers to "deadbolt", the crossbar of a gate that bars entry.

JC 8maki [64]

Shūkyoku - Bankin Taihō (終曲・卍禁太封) "final song - full ban great mount"

The Kanji 封, here read hō, is usu. read fū "seal"; its reading as hō is generally used to mean "appoint(ment), invest(ment)", but also "to build (a mound)". Since this technique, I think, involves dropping a giant mound on the target, I chose "mount" (to express "mound" and "its mounting").

JC 7maki [64]

Adam Restling (talk) 04:18, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Translation
The techniques which use English romanization are listed by their romanized names. Wouldn't it be more convenient to use the romanized version for the Japanese parts of the name only, and the actual English word for the other part? It seems on the Hakuda page they're using romanized versions, even though they are English names, and I don't see a reason because we don't romanize the Spanish names, as well. Mad Rest 15:51, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure exactly how you mean. Could you give me more examples of each of these cases you're talking about, so I clearly understand your idea? :) Adam Restling (talk) 11:13, July 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * I mean on the wiki the English are listed as Sutanding Obeshon, Toraidento etc. instead of their English names: Standing Ovation, Trident etc. I don't see what's the point in this when all the Spanish names are not listed this way; We don't use Resurekushion, for example, we use Resurreccion. And I'm not sure, because I don't know Spanish, but when I put the words in a translator for Spanish translations, they come out on the opposite if they are not separated by a preposition; If you put Plato Colmillo in a translator it will come out as Tusk Plate, and not Plate Tusk. Again, I'm not sure about this, but in the wiki a lot of the names are that way: Ola Azul is Blue Wave and not Wave Blue, Caja Negacion is Negation Box and not Box Negation, but there are some words that maintain their original placement: Gran Caida is still Great Fall. Mad Rest 12:22, July 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh. Then yes, you're right: the techniques that are clearly meant to be in non-Japanese (e.g. English or Spanish) should be written with the words that their phonetic katakana represent, like Standing Ovation, Resurrección--not the katakana versions, which should appear after the main names in parentheses like they always do.


 * As for your comments on the Spanish, the fact is (as I think I elsewhere stated) that Kubo opts for lots of grammatically incorrect-cum-stylized Spanish, esp. in "compounds", prob. so he wouldn't have to use de, del, de la all the time. A term like Plato Colmillo is basically "plate" (noun) + "tusk" (noun); a more correct compound, with one of the nouns in a kind of adjectival/genitive position, would prob. be Plato de Colmillo "plate of tusk" > "tusk-plate". Ola Azul is to be treated different, though, because azul IS a real adjective "blue", so even though it follows the noun it modifies (which, indeed, is the more usu. word order in Spanish), its correct translation should be "Blue Wave" and not "Wave Blue", which you astutely mentioned above.


 * In summation: the non-Japanese terms (in katakana) should be referenced--and so their pages/searches named--with the actual words the katakana represent, like Standing Ovation (スタンディング・オベーション Sutandingu Obēshon); the Japanese terms should be referenced etc. unchanged (but with a gloss/definition in parentheses), like Getsuga Tenshō (月牙天衝 "Moon Fang Heaven Clash"). Even common-use Japanese words, or mixed Japanese and non-Japanese terms, could prob. be kept in their original/original + the non-Japanese element included forms, e.g. Isshin Sakadachi Dash (一心・サカダチダッシュ Isshin Sakadachi Dasshu "Isshin Handstand Dash"), Gatling Jidanda (ガトリング地団駄 Gatoringu Jidanda, "Gatling Mad-stomping").


 * You are correct that the current usages as you described, though, should be revised. Adam Restling (talk) 18:37, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

This issue was already brought up, we are not talking about how the word is written the issue its about whats consistent for the articles, kido spells are not written in english plain and simple this is the same for official techniques hakuda or zanjutsu. Some espada/arrancar techniques are the exception of course.--Salubri (Talk)  19:24, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * You don't get what I'm saying. Kidō spells are Japanese, so they will use romanized names. Arrancar techniques are Spanish, and they use their Spanish names and the romanized version is usually added in the template. What I'm talking about is that for English names the romanized version is its official name, and the actual English spelling is in the template, and that's the mistake. For example, we don't do this for Fullbring; It's like this:
 * Cross of Scaffold (クロス·オブ·スキャッフォルド, Kurosu obu Sukyafforudo)

And this is for the Hakuda and Zanjutsu techinques:
 * Sandobaggu Bīto (サンドバッグ・ビート, Sandbag Beat)

Do you see the difference? <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 11:06, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

i actually am fully aware of what your talking about I have already talked to another admin about the exact same thing. Im not concerned with how its done on the fullbring page thats a mistake in itself. The issue is the consistency of the articles. English is not acceptable otherwise we have to change all techniques to look the same. In other words the general look has to be consistent. The idea that the use of words that maybe to formal arent used so instead of kanji the hikagama is used doesn't justify. We have never done it that way, im not sure why the fullbring article is done that way. But its incorrect to assume that of the rest of the site. In general techniques are done in the dominant language of the race. Arrancar get spanish, Quincy get German and everything is japanese. --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  13:00, July 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I wish the rigidity of that policy could be reconsidered in these cases, because even though the characters using them are predominantly Japanese speakers, the words (in these cases) are clearly meant to be English words. Sic., if we have to render it into bare katakana like Sutandingu Obēshon instead of the intended Standing Ovation, it would follow that we have to render not only all the intended-as-English Fullbring stuff into bare katakana, but also all instances of "Hollow" back into Horō, Soul Society into Sōru Sosaeti, etc.


 * In other words, the intention of the term should be utilized, instead of a blanket only Japanese for the Japanese, only Spanish for the Spanish, etc. Adam Restling (talk) 04:46, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

This is the point, no one apparently knows the policies for anything or why something was decided. The use of hollow and soul society were established a long time ago they arent the question. Once again I have no idea why the Fullbring article is the way that it is but thats fine for that page. These other techniques exist on pages with a determined set up, whether its s a specific technique page or a character article page. Kido have a set up, techniques on character article pages set up. Other then hikagama determining that kanji cant be properly translated making the statement that its grossly meant to be in english isnt proven at all ive brought this up before I have received no point that thats the intention and we start disrupting the pages for this form of thinking we are disrupting consistency and might as well decstruct the rest of the pages at a whim. The intention of term is to give us a name for the technique plain and simple. Translation is to decide what a term means and the policies will be what decides where it goes and how its used on the site. Im not sure where it went from discussing why a translation is the way it is and what it means to dictating where it goes and how thats not what was asked from any translation, this was already decided.--<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  09:19, August 1, 2011 (UTC)