Forum:Kido, Hoho and Hakuda

I have been thinking about this for sometime now but I was having difficulty phrasing it properly. So please bare with me. Just stating up front the problem I have is with consistency. I feel that there is some confusing as to how the basic skills of kido, hoho and hakuda are recorded in the profiles of the various shinigami. These three skills are basic shinigami skills that I propose we assume a given shinigami possesses unless explicitly stated otherwise. The reason for this is that right now there seems to be inconsistency regarding how information from filler episodes (and to a lesser extent movies) are applied to these basic skills. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way shape of form in favour of "special skills" that a shinigami demonstrates in filler material. But kido, hoho and hakuda are not special skills, they are basic skills that all shinigami are suppose to possess.
 * The reason I bring this up has to do with recent developments in the filler arc that has introduced inconsistencies with how the shinigami powers and abilities are setup. Firstly, the fact that Yumichika performed kido is now in his profile. However, the fact that Yachiru has clearly demonstrated the ability to perform shunpo has not been noted and in the past evidence of her shunpo skills from bount filler have been dismissed as "not manga canon". There is a part in the manga were I personally feel Yachiru employed shunpo but it's inconclusive, she might as well have just jumped. I don't have a problem with this but if we can't say Yachiru can perform shunpo based on filler episodes then we should probably remove the fact that Yumichika can perform kido and while we are at it, say something in Rangiku's profile that says she only performed kido in an anime filler but did recognise kido spells Hinamori used against Harribel's faccione, thus indicating that she does have knowledge of kido.
 * However, here is the thing. Nothing in the manga says that Yachiru can't do shunpo (or kido for that matter). Indeed, nothing says Kenpachi can't do shunpo. Only thing explicitly excluded is kido for Kenpachi and Ikkaku (and Ichigo of course). These are basic skills and any shinigami who has gone through the academy is suppose to be able to do hoho, hakuda and kido. They might be crap at all three but they are still able to do it. I realise that this doesn't apply to Yachiru but my point was that we need some consistency in how these three skills are treated.
 * Right now it's just a bit confusing but I don't really see a problem with following the lead of the studio writers, who have clearly assumed that they can get shinigami to do kido, hoho and even hakuda as long as it isn't someone who has been explicitly excluded from having that skill in the manga. I mean, the anime series writers (not the movie, they take lots of liberties) are fairly careful about sticking to what has been revealed in the manga and seem to think twice about get characters to do something they haven't been shown to do in the manga. But I think the general principle they are working off is that kido, hoho and hakuda are basic skills all shinigami posses (including Yachiru) and Kubo has to tell us explicitly that Shinigami X doesn't have that skill.
 * Anyway, just to re-iterate, I don't care one way or another what we decide. I just want some consistency. Tinni 13:06, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

All i can say is that we can't assume that everyone knows Kido, Hakuda, and Shunpo. I understand your point entirely though, so for the sake of consistency we only list what the person has been said or shown to be capable of. To date Kenpachi has shown no skill in either kido or shunpo. Kido being that lets face it he has no personality for it or to remember the incantations and shunpo, well we have seen him run everywhere at high speeds and especially in battle. Ikkaku admits he doesn't even understand kido. Though he is capable of shunpo. As for the two you point out though Yumichika is somewhat of an enigma He has a kido type zanpakuto so it wasnt a leap that he knew kido. Its just something else he hid from the 11th division. As for its placement It can be placed in the article like anyone else that has shown skill though in the reference it should be mentioned that it strictly takes place only in the anime. As for Yachiru i admit she did use shunpo in the filler and i would suggest the same thing as with Yumichika. Salubri 03:03, November 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yachiru using Shunpo has been noted in her article, not by me but it has been noted, I have since taken her off the list of Hoho users entirely. As I explained in that articles talk page, it is best not to say anything about her shunpo skills on that page till we see something in the manga. I just want things to be consistent and as long as it is, I am happy. Tinni 16:06, November 17, 2009 (UTC)