Forum:Fullbring

I actually have a better grasp on the policies, but feel free to point anything I might have missed. It's interesting that the usage of Fullbring has a strong emphasis on a person's personality. It would be interesting to see how they'd function as Shinigami, but this isn't the place for that topic. Kugo can turn his favorite pendant into a broadsword, Riruka can transfer people into things she finds cute, and one of the others can even set time limits for certain things. Chad stated (I think?) that his Fullbring rested in his skin--it seems more like his arms--as he contains his pride in there. If his powerful arms are a form of Fullbring, it would technically make Orihime a Fullbring user, also. The only indication is the fact she wore those hairclips for years, and it's through them that she can do all those abilities. The only thing bothering me is the statement Kugo made about the users of Fullbring being affected by Hollow attacks on their mothers before birth. Aizen said that the Hogyoku had affected Chad and Orihime, and that that is how they ended up with their Hollow-esque abilities. Whatever the case may be, it seems even Ichigo has started to show Fullbring, in the form of Getsuga Tenshou-like blasts from his Shinigami badge. It will be interesting to see how this progresses.Lokker G (talk) 22:07, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Orihime is not a Fullbring user. It has been stated several times that her powers are more like a Shinigami's than a Hollows. Her powers are sentient, much like a zanpakuto spirit. She even has a release command--

Similar does not mean it is entirely different. I believe this statement was used as a comparison of her powers being similar to a zanpakuto and kido - bare in mind, Arrancar powers are similar to Shinigami as well, but they are clearly made distinct many times. Ichigo's Fullbring actually DRAWS on his Shinigami powers (in some way - say it's unofficial all you want, it has been said his Fullbring's effect is to let the user wear their powers, and Ichigo's only other power is Shinigami powers) and really, most Fullbringers' powers function similarly to Shinigami zanpakuto. I think when Ginjo said their powers were more like hollows, he wasn't saying it in such a manner of their reiatsu - which is clearly stated as being close to human by Uryu's father - rather, I think what he means is that their skills are more instinctual, while Shinigami powers seem more disciplined. I say don't say she absolutely ISN'T a Fullbringer until the manga itself states she isn't - until then, I'd say it's effectively up for debate at least. And, once again, that her powers are likened to Shinigami powers does NOT mean they arent Fullbring powers - even she confuses a Fullbring for a Zanpakuto. Bloodtom1 (talk) 18:33, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ichigo's Fullbring: Clad-Type
Since it's still pretty new, not much can be verified by Ichigo's transformation, via Fullbring. It is interesting to find that he can use Fullbring to mimic (possibly) the abilities of Shinigami. First, he can propel himself by using Fullbring on concrete, second, he can do the same on air to fly (sorta), and third, his new form... you get the idea. What made me curious was that the extent of Fullbring was only limited to the awareness of its user. This would explain why Yasutora's Fullbring kept changing as he trained.Lokker G (talk) 20:27, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Why do they want to get rid of their Fullbrings?
This is one question I've been asking myself is why do the members of Xcution want to rid themselves of their Fullbrings? As far as I can tell the damage has already been done, they've gone through their trials to achieve mastery of their abilities, and there is no doubt that these Fullbring abilities are massively useful. Further it seems very risky to pursue their current quest to help an ex-Shinigami gain back his powers.

Unless their is some huge and deadly deficiency in being a Fullbringer that we haven't been told yet, why would they want to go through the hassle? So far it doesn't add up. Great Cthulhu (talk) 01:49, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

I questioned that too, after all if I had those sort of abilities, I wouldn't be too quick to try to give them up. My best idea is that Fullbring, being a hollow-like ability, is somewhat incompatible with the human bodies of the Fullbringers, and is somehow detrimental to their health. I dunno, so I'll wait until further chapters explain it. B-rad128 (talk) 20:14, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

If that was the case Chad would be equally at risk from his Fullbring and would need to get rid of it. But Chad never mentioned that he would have to get rid of his Fullbring, nor did he ever express any concern over a Fullbring's impact to a person's health.

True, but it isn't the first time Bleach has had discrepancies due to the fact Kubo hasn't had every aspect of the story mapped out from the beginning; in fact, he probably only developed the entire idea of Fullbring back when producing chapters of Ichigo's final battle with Aizen, possibly earlier, but if I had to guess I'd say around that time. He'd already developed Chad's powers as hollow-like in nature, so he worked from there... it seems to me he didn't have this planned when Chad got his left arm's powers, because now it seems almost as if Chad has two fullbrings O.o. But, I basically agree with Great Cthulhu below, this will probably not be mentioned again. B-rad128 (talk) 16:53, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Shrug. I got a funny feeling this little mystery is going to be one of those things Kubo sweeps under the rug and never brings up again. Great Cthulhu (talk) 06:34, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

I did go back and review the original explanation and they mention "troubles" much like Ichigo's Hollow experience. But Kujo Ginjo doesn't go into detail and his story runs a bit counter to Chad's experience with his own Fullbring during the Arancar arc. Who knows? Great Cthulhu (talk) 14:39, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

It might just be because their powers are quite hollow like. Remember how unsettled Chad seemed to be in Hueco Mundo because he could feel how much like a hollow his powers were? Imagine a normal human who never really wanted power like that suddenly not only having them but powers that are disturbingly hollow like. You'd not want anything to do with them.Licourtrix (talk) 20:38, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Confused on something
I understand how each Fullbringer can have a special unique Fullbring, like the one guy's bookmark. What I don't understand is being able to pull the soul on anything. How does pulling the soul of a drink make it easier to drink or pulling the soul on asphalt make it softer? I get that's what happens, I just don't get the correlation. Kingofdanerds (talk) 15:56, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

"Tugging on its soul" means sort of "influencing" the soul in said object to mess around with the qualities of the object. It doesn't mean literally tug, it's a metaphor for going in and making some tweaks yourself. It's sort of like commanding the object to do something for you; you command the drink to be able to float into the air and slip between your lips, command the asphalt to allow you to spring off of it easier. This is how I think of it; it simplifies things considerably. Aeron Solo wuz here (talk) 23:53, April 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh my gosh, that makes things so much easier to understand. I guess I was just thinking about it the wrong way. Thanks for the help. Kingofdanerds (talk) 01:18, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Witch-like?
Could it be that Fullbring makes Fullbringers somehow exiled from the rest of humanity? Sort of like the Bounts? Riruka's recent words in the 470 have made me wonder this, that maybe Xcution wasn't so much a group than a family. Her heart is really speaking now, and this must be something that means a lot to her.

I think they're echoing Ichigo's earlier sentiments alittle bit. All they want to do is fit in.Licourtrix (talk) 02:02, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Ichigo's Power, and Ginjo's Origins
I had a theory I was wondering a bit about. The recent chapter has shown us that, contrary to popular belief, not all Fullbringers are aware of their powers from the start - some of them don't even realise they have powers until later in their lives. This being said, it calls to question that Ichigo may HAVE been born with his Fullbring powers. My question is this - did he inherit his powers from his mother, attacked by a hollow, as seems to be the common result? Or is it possible he got his powers as an effect of his Shinigami heritage? Ginjo, who was aware of Ichigo's family history, seemed confident he would be able to use Fullbring - my question is why? Did he suspect that Ichigo's mother was attacked by a hollow and that this would be sufficient enough to transfer the power? (I think it is subtley implied hollow attacks don't guarantee these powers will surface) or is it possible that Shinigami/Human born children are innately capable of this ability? Things that support my speculation include Ginjo's confidence Ichigo could learn to use Fullbring, as well as his claims that someone with both human and shinigami parentage would be able to take their Fullbrings.

Also, on that note, I've noted that Ginjo probably had no idea Ichigo's fullbring would be what it is (wearing ones' powers) and, under those conditions, came to question that maybe what he was really after was Ichigo's reiatsu. This makes me wonder - was Ginjo a shinigami/human born child? Or was he maybe a human who was given temporary powers that, if the earlier chapters are to be taken into account, faded? I think that Ichigo's fullbring was probably just a secondary prize and that his reiatsu was really what he wanted because even in Fullbring it would give him power comparable to that of the Shinigami (which he seems to have greedily kept for himself and gave just smaller rations of it to his allies.)

What do you guys think? Bloodtom1 (talk) 21:13, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * There is no proof that Ichigos mother ever had ever encountered a hollow other then the night she was killed by Grand Fisher, even then she is not known to have been aware of the actual danger. Shinigami do not even feature in on the situation as Fullbringers have the spiritual presence of a hollow. This is the actual issue about Fullbringers, Ichigo doesn't fit the criteria for one. The reason why Ginjo was confident he can use it, we have no idea why he was, but its likely the exception to the rule is when it comes to fullbring it is that someone who was a visored like ichigo having both shinigami and hollow powers made it similar enough to a natural fullbringer for him to develop their abilities. Thats far more a plausible cause then anything else. Also Ginjo could have done a simple investigation to find the information he needed to know about Ichgio, not a huge secret for those spiritually aware and searching, they probably have been around the area for a while and have witnessed Ichigo in action and his associations. He also doesn't appear to actually know anything significant about ichigos history, as he has never mentioned anything. Also your idea about human/shingiami children is inaccurate, one as stated previously there would be no hollow spiritual power involved from such a union. There is also the point that such children are rare, as most shinigami dont associate with living humans. It already stated Ginjo's capabilities involved absorbing anothers fullbring and reiatsu. He has them both, so its likely he had no specific intentions for the power beyond taking them totally. It is revealed that he was the first Substitute Shinigami ever from Soul Society. Which would mean that he must have been a child of a Shinigami and a human or given shinigami powers temporarily. The idea that he wants ichigo's reiatsu to give him comparable shinigami power, wouldnt be correct he absorbed ichigo's fullbring and the reiatsu that went with it. Ichigo didnt regain his shinigami powers and its reiatsu until Rukia jump started his powers. It was made clear he wanted his powers, his fullbring. He wasnt capable of initializing anything else. He fully believed that Ichigo couldnt even be a shinigami again or regain any power or that he even had any to start with from what he took. Also there is the point of his explanation about taking the fullbrings and giving it to a child born of a shinigami and human, there maybe a point to this concept, we have not full seen.--Salubri (Talk)  02:47, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Here's faults to your response. You'r thinking on an extremely limited scale. It never states hollows' powers are required to beget fullbringers - it simply states the traces of their powers result in it. What evidence is there to say that Shinigami powers would not have a similar effect? I think when he likened their powers to being "more like a hollow's" he wasn't talking about their spiritual presence, but rather he was talking about how a Hollow's torn out heart forms it's mask, it's body, and it's powers. Much like a hollow, a Fullbringer's powers seem to manifest in methods that are a result of who they are. This is different from Shinigami, whose powers range from random to disciplined - many Shinigami even have weapons that are polar opposites of what they themselves would prefere to use, however I have yet to see a Fullbringer or a Hollow who was dissappointed in their powers. Also bare in mind that a union between shinigami and human IS rare - but apparantly not so much Ichigo's family is the only one of these occurances. Also consider Ginjo makes a clear distinction that Shinigami/Human born children can take fullbring powers, and seems fairly confident Ichigo himself could use it. I somehow doubt Ginjo's plan was just a really complicated series of gambits that just seemed to work out really well, and similarly doubt Kubo simply gave Ichigo fullbring powers out of no where without some explanation in mind (which we will hopefully be made aware of later.) Also, their spiritual presence is not similar to a hollow's - their powers are but that's it. Uryu's father makes it clear that he had no idea what to make of their reiatsu, but seems to be able to come to the conclusion that it belonged to a human and not a hollow or shinigami. Their powers maybe similar to hollows, but they are still humans.

Speaking of Ginjo, we can assume this much - that he had the strength to survive a Getsuga Tensho (after absorbing Ichigo's powers), cut one in half, and then unleash one big enough to suprise Ichigo, and keep him and Uryu held back instead of just cutting him down, we can assume he's descently strong. Your statement Ichigo didn't regain his shinigami powers is also incorrect - he HAD been regaining them, and they were melding with his Fullbring. The proof is in that he could use Getsuga Tensho - something Tsukishima cited as his Shinigami powers being used in his Fullbring. Also recall the explanation that when he lost his powers, small remnants of those powers were welling up inside of him. Add this to Ginjo's explanation after Ichigo transforms that he couldn't possibly be a shinigami because he "took all of his powers." I could go on a bit more, but I think, for now, I'll leave it at that.Bloodtom1 (talk) 03:39, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Substitute Shinigami = Fullbringer?
The recent chapter of Bleach has lead me to wondering something. It is stated that "Fullbringers and Substitute Shinigami can trade and share their powers" - this leaves me to wonder, does gaining Substitute Shinigami powers result in Fullbring? Or are Substitute Shinigami just more 'receptive' to such powers? I'm hoping the next chapter answers this one. Bloodtom1 (talk) 18:20, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Fullbringer Bankai
Well, Ginjo just used Bankai through Ichigo's stolen power folks. This goes to show you - Shinigami Fullbringers (or at least Ichigo before his powers were stolen) can utilise *ALL* of their Shinigami powers. This leaves me to wonder - what would Ichigo's Fullbring Bankai have looked like? Would it be like his Fullbringer appearance with a coat on? Or something more akin to what we see in Ginjo?

I wonder if we'll yet see it. I still hope that Ichigo gets his Fullbring powers back, unlikely as it is, so we might see.Bloodtom1 (talk) 17:40, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Does it matter what Ichigo's Fullbring is? We see bits and pieces of it during training but Kubo decided not to let Ichigo explore them in any detail. We go straight from "some sort of Fullbring" to "fully recovered Shinigami powers!" in the span of a few issues. Don't get me wrong. I would of LOVED to see Ichigo dealing with these alien powers for a while. Oh well...missed opportunities. Great Cthulhu (talk) 18:48, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Judging from Kubo's latest interview, it was never Kubo's intention to show much of Ichigo's Fullbring and we won't be seeing more of it from Ichigo. 19:17, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

I'm beginning to hate Kubo. It was awesome when Ichigo got Fullbring powers. In fact, I personally enjoyed them more than his Shinigami powers (instead of being some superpowered ghost, he was now a human being who was able to wreath himself in power and he looked damn cool when he was in his second level Fullbring state) and honestly, I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that had they stuck to that concept of his Fullbring, his Shinigami powers returning would have only served to make it cooler (his third level fullbring should have been what his Shinigami outfit looks like now... cept firey and with his normal clothing underneath it.) To me, it was just more interesting and it made him human, it gave him creativity (that he seems to be strong only when his Fullbring is covering his body) - instead of taking and developing this new idea properly, Kubo squanders it. Seriously Kubo, while it may not bug everyone, why tease those who might actually LIKE the concept? Bloodtom1 (talk) 08:00, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

??
has this been revisited since Ginjou has pushed out a bit more explanation on how they have their powers?

Irkillroy (talk) 07:56, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Im not sure what your saying this issue was ages ago and it has nothing to do with the fullbring issue, which is completely different.--Salubri (Talk)  16:55, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

It's the explanation why ichigo has a fullbring. Ginjou says in Chapter 433 page 11 "all of us have a parent who was attacked by a Hollow before we were born", "traces of the hollows power remained in our mothers' bodies which were passed on to us when we were born and the powers are closer to those of hollows than they are closer to those of shinigami."

I honestly don't think that the fact that he had hollow powers is why he has fullbring powers, they how do you explain Ginjou having fullbring?

I'm simply saying that the previous topic that I entered this under has new information to explain why Ichigo has a hollow version of himself. Ginjou when he transforms looks like hollow version of himself which leads to believe with the talk the Captains had about him that he chose to embrace the power of the hollow self instead of reject it like Ichigo did.

Irkillroy (talk) 00:28, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

What your talking about is baseless speculation. The above conversation has to do with the inner hollow. When there is evidence that a human born retaining hollow based reiryoku from an attack on their parents is the same as as a plus falling to despair and going through encrouchment/or the dissolving of walls between shinigami and hollow then that concept may stand as true. But in fact that is not what is remotely being stated or said in any context in the recent story. In fact neither has to do with the other. There is currently no explanation for why Ichigo has a fullbring nor is him having had hollow powers a factual reason either nor does the site claim this. We also do not claim to know how Ginjo has a fullbring or speculate on it. Until such time as information is presented.--Salubri (Talk)  01:11, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

Kugo himself stated that he had a parent that was attacked by a Hollow, explaining why he has Fullbring.--

First, It's not baseless speculation, if you read my reference then you'd see that he in fact states how fullbring is inferered to a human. He also hints in this same issue that he too is a child of a shinigami/human parentage like Ichigo (which explains the Captains interest in giving Ichigo his powers back). The only fact that can be proven is that Ichigo came out of the hole as a Visored, his inner hollow is not because of the mask as he's an extension of Ichigo's Zangetsu, and as a type of point break when he is about to die the hollow ichigo takes over and focus' his power and uses it to it's full potential... something Ginjou obviously embraces which is why his transformation before his death looked like an inner hollow of himself. This can only be explained by fullbring, as this power is a part of them, and has grown with them since birth which is why they take on their form. Ichigo's hollowficaiton during the visored arc show's a completely different transformation (because that's from his hollowfication). These are obviously two completely different entities. As for an explaination for why ichigo has a fullbring... how do you think Ichigo's father met his mother? perhaps while saving her from a dangerous Arancar? who knows, but the fact that you can't prove otherwise means that denying it based on "no explanation" is simply because there isn't enough space in Shonen Jump to explain some of these details. I have details of fact in my explanation which is evidence of the theory which defines it as such. whether they tie together and make sense, that's to be decided. Merry Christmas.

Speculation: form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.Irkillroy (talk) 13:41, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

Your not talking to people that dont know the story or whats currently taking place. Your assumptions and opinions at trying to formulate facts based on what you think does not equal being right. we know full well how a fullbringer comes about. Kugo also never makes such a claim, as his entire history is suspect up until it is revealed that he was the first substitute shinigami, this is due to him lying about his history. It also wasnt the captains idea to give ichigo his powers back they helped but that was their choice as well as dealing with a old situation, getting ichigo his powers back was Urahara's idea. Also his inner hollow is a result of the encrouchment from gaining his shingiami powers at the last minute. This is determined already, you cant rewrite the story to fit your assumption. Zangetsu and hollow ichigo share the same physical/spiritual body but they are both halves of his power and entirely separate concepts and entities.It is also shown and stated on many occasions that an inner hollow fully takes over the body and mind and controls it causing the full transformation into a hollow form. Fullbring is also a human only power, and its hollow based (it doesnt make you a hollow) so there is no explanation for ichgio having it under you concept because only his mother was human and there is no proof she ever came into contact with a hollow besides when grand fisher killed her when ichigo was 10. Also Isshin was spiritually unaware and had been for 20 years, we dont know how his parents met but its not likely through anything spiritual as even if it was he would neither be able to see or do anything about it.He didnt regain his abilities until the beginning of the arrancar arc, many years after his wifes death. Ichigo's hollowfication form while fighting ulquiorra expresses no difference besides physical look and overall power then any other time he has transformed and in fact is highly reminiscent of the hollowfied forms Kensei and Mashiro took before becoming Visored themselves. What you are doing is trying to do is write the story based on what you think you have figured the facts to be, using some facts to try and back it. Well we dont do that on this site. This is for facts, stuff readily presented. We dont jump conclusions or speculate on the information thats not our job. Especially trying to connect the dots on stuff you simply cant prove. Bleach Wiki:Speculation Policy. Your not Tite Kubo, so coming here and making statements you cant know as though they are facts and placing them here on a talk page about content trying to make a case that it should be taken as factual is disrespectful to both the author and to people who work hard here to keep that kind of heavily opinionated speculation and yes it is heavily opinionated speculation off of the article pages. --Salubri (Talk)  17:57, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

I attempted to address all of your "concerns" one-by-one so it may not flow very well, please understand that I'm not trying to be argumentative though sometimes it may seem so (I'm responding quickly).

Because he never told anyone about being the first substitute shinigami doesn't make everything he said a lie, he even mentioned that he thought about having ichigo join him at one point. Urahara was part of that "old reason" as a former captain, and why should a shinigami have a reason or a want to give their power to a human? you have no proof it was for being kind, that is speculation. the talk page on this very site says that the only thing that is proven is that Ichigo gain his visored powers from the encrouchment, not an inner hollow. We don't see the other visored have the same power spike that Ichigo does. so you have no evidence to prove otherwise. Zangetsu and hollow ichigo are one in the same because they have been with him since birth... why would his shinigami powers accept a hollow if it hasn't know it it's entire existence, this goes against everything the story line is pushing, when they merge to show Ichigo that they are one during his last inner world training your separate concept and entities theory is debunked. fullbring can only be explained as Ginjou explained it and if we go by your earlier explaination that he "lied about being a shinigami so you cant believe him" theory then that's not how fullbring works either, so let's assume because it's in the story that your parents have to be attacked by a hollow (at some point in their life) and survived and some of that power is transfered to their kids and that's how Ichigo has his fullbring powers, and I didn't say it makes you a hollow... what are you talking about Isshin not being spiritually aware? You are assuming he "regained" his abilities at the beginning of the arrancar arc... perhaps he was hiding with the help of Urahara and decided it was time to stop hiding? you have no proof and it has nothing to do with this conversation.)(which is why his ACTUAL hollow form is different than his hollow ichigo and should not be considered the same entity. One happens to his physical form and the other is inside with Zangetsu. I am not trying to re-write anything, as my initial question was asking if this was revisited. And in this conversation I believe it is with you going down a new tangent here and there. I honestly feel that the facts are there and it's something worth discussing. You say that I'm re-writing the story to connect dots but you don't realize that you are doing the same thing because you have your own opinion about the story line and are refusing to look at this objectively. These are valid facts and if you were objective you would provide references and facts that might prove it wrong or right not just say I'm making things up.Irkillroy (talk) 02:05, December 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, I will address your misunderstandings!!
 * 1) They wanted to give Ichigo his powers back because he saved them against Aizen at the cost of his powers when not even Yamamoto could stop him, this was stated in the Manga, read it!!
 * 2) Yes, Zangetsu was with Ichigo from birth but the Hollow was not, he developed from the encroachment process and thus Ichigo's powers, through the new Hollow and Zangetsu combined, given they are all the same soul!! Otherwise, the encroachment process has no place in the story!! No, it is not debunked, do not make unfounded judgements!! If the Hollow was there, he would have taken over anytime Ichigo was close to death prior to his training with Urahara!! This is like saying that the other Visoreds always had hollows in them, which is seriously wrong!!
 * 3) It is not "parents" it is a pregnant mother that is attacked by the Hollow, this is clearly shown in the process!! It is because she is pregnant that the powers are transferred to the child inside!!
 * 4) Isshin had lost all his powers, in fact, Urahara remarks about him getting them back, stop making up stuff!! Had he regained them sooner, do you really think he'd have simply been attacked in the first Chapter so easily?? A better explanation for the regaining of his powers would more than likely be the same reason Sado and Orihime unlocked their powers, Ichigo's leeking Reiatsu, but that is Speculation too but still makes a lot more sense than your random jumbled "may be this" theories!!Really you are not making any sense!!
 * 5) We do not rewrite stories here, we deal with facts and stated facts alone!! SunXia   (Chat)  23:37, December 26, 2011 (UTC)