Talk:Ichigo Kurosaki/Archive 6

New Zanpakuto Design
Someone needs to update the article concerning Ichigo's Zanpakuto. There needs to be a picture displaying its new form in the Shinigami Powers subsection, as well as a description. Something like "Following Ichigo regaining his Shinigame powers, his zanpakuto's appearance changed. While formerly resembling a cleaver, it now has a shape much more reminiscent of an enlarged bowie knife.--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 05:11, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

I've been wondering about that as well, it could possibly be due to the strange nature in which he got his powers back and what'll happen to them and perhaps some possible unconfirmed abilities, he got his shinigami powers back yes, but for what reason his zanpakuto changed size and shape is currently unkown. Maybe in the next few chapters after more info is releaased. SalmanH  (Talk)  07:40, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Umm.... what? I left this message to say that the description of Ichigo's Zanpakuto needed to be updated, that's all. And it's probably just the affect of his briefly gained Fullbring abilities.--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 08:55, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Basically, once the fight is over and explanations are done, then the info will get updated, that's a maybe. SalmanH  (Talk)  09:20, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

I believe Salubri said that he is working on reorganizing the Powers & Abilities section (correct me if I'm wrong on this). Please be patient as the info is new and we have to sort out what we actually know from what people are assuming. There is much still to be revealed. Dont worry though, it will get done. 10:53, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Anyone else notice this? Ichigo's Zanpakuto's form resembles the short-sword he had while he was in Fullbring mode (The shape of the blade and appearance of the handle) and his 'collar' resembles part of his Fullbring, as do the weird things on his legs and arms (which, if I looked at one of the images Kubo colored, may actually be markings rather than parts of an outfit, though I am not sure.) It leaves me to wonder if maybe Ichigo's Fullbring powers have changed his Shinigami powers? Of course, it's also possible the artist just decided to inexplicably alter the design without an explanation. Bloodtom1 (talk) 16:38, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Age
Shouldn't we put references for his age? Age of 15 is mentioned in chapter 1, while 17 in chapter 424. I haven't found a reference for 16. The Goblin (talk) 09:09, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

But it's pretty obvious he WAS 16 years old at some state,he didn't just 'jumped' from 15 to 17,as there was a timeskip for the readers only.His age should stay 15-17. Adi212 (talk) 10:33, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Ichigo was 15 in chapter 1. His birthdate is 15th of July (Bleach Official Character Book Souls). The battle with GrandFisher in the graveyard happened in June (chapter 17) - he was 15. The story moved on and Rukia was arrested and rescued over the summer - his 16th birthday went passed without being noted in the story itself. They came back to school in September - the start of the Arrancar arc. Orihime was kidnapped a month later and Aizen was defeated in October. There was then a 17 month timeskip, making Ichigo 17. I personally think it would be better to list it as "Chapter 1: 15 Chapter 424: 17" rather than the current 15-17 which just looks a bit weird to me. 11:03, August 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good suggestion. I support it. The Goblin (talk) 19:58, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

An Overlooked Ability
I was rereading the manga today, and I stumbled across this:

http://www.mangareader.net/94-566-7/bleach/chapter-112.html http://www.mangareader.net/94-567-12/bleach/chapter-113.html

Shouldn't we add that Zangetsu has, to some extent, the ability to stop wounds from bleeding? I know it's not really been used outside of this fight, but it's still an ability Zangetsu has demonstrated, and is therefore an ability relating to Ichigo's zanpakuto, right? Igaram (talk) 12:54, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

It's currently unclear whether that's one of his special powers, or something else. Perhaps it could go on Zangetsu's page, at least. Yes, Zangetsu has his own page. Take care, though. That's one of those things we don't really understand. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk)  14:57, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

But since Zangetsu is Ichigo's Zanpakuto, just in a more human form, wouldn't it be redundant to say that Zengetsu has that ability, but Ichigo's Zanpakuto does not? Afterall, they're the same entity. I personally feel it should be noted in the Zanpakuto section of Ichigo's profile, since Zangetsu specifically states that it's "his" ability to stop Ichigo's wounds bleeding. Igaram (talk)

Like I said, it's tough to say. I believe that there have been a number of instances where somebody's wounds have mysteriously stopped bleeding after a heavy release in reiatsu, though I think a bunch of them were from people who had instant regen. Best to wait for what other people have to say on this one. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk)  15:03, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Also take note: if this was Ichigo's Zanpakuto power, why couldn't he use it himself? There were a hundred instances where that might have been useful, yet it was only used once. If anything, I still believe it should go under Zangetsu's page, because he used it. Not Ichigo. Ichigo's Zanpakuto section contains powers that he can use. Not ones that Zangetsu can use. Small difference, but take a look at Gonryomaru; you should see what I mean after that. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk)  15:06, August 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I did some looking after reading this, and it is indeed one of his abilities. Zangetsu says himself right here. "My ability to stop your wound from bleeding is at its limit." Ten Tailed Fox   (Talk with me) 15:10, August 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * It may be an unconscious or passive ability. Like the speed boost he gains in Bankai. It could possibly be ever-present. But it may only be useful for minor wounds. Gonryomaru's abilities were completely filler, weren't they? While this is seen in the manga. I don't think, outside of filler, a Zanpakuto's spirit has ever had abilities not present in the Zanpakuto itself. It'd be pretty odd if they did, especially since they and the Zanpakuto are the exact same thing, just that one is a manifestation in a human form and the other is a weapon... Igaram (talk) 15:12, August 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree with him. Also, you're not considering the fact that Kubo may have just forgotten what he wrote and never used it again. He has done that before. But it has been both shown and outright stated by Zangetsu himself to be one of his powers. A Zanpakutō Spirit is just the inward manifestation of the sword. They have the same powers. We cannot omit an ability a page when we have such evidence to back it up; even if it hasn't been used very often. <font color="#008080" face="Verdana">Ten Tailed Fox  <font color="#FF0000" face="Verdana"> (Talk with me) 15:18, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with all your points, but I want to be cautious about it. I realize Gonryomaru's filler. But also, take note that Mangareader does not exactly have stellar translations. For example, they translated Yuichi shibata's bird form, which was a cockatiel, to be a parakeet. "My ability to stop your bleeding is at its limit" could be translated otherwise as "I can't stop your bleeding for much longer." It's not necessarily a special power unique to him, though if it isn't then I don't know what it is. I want to put it in just as much as you two do, but there are times where we have to hold back before jumping to conclusions. It is very plausible that it really is Zangetsu's ability, and I am on the verge of agreeing with you, but for the reasons I mentioned I want to hold back on the verdict until a higher up chimes in. I'm glad that you brought it up, nevertheless; I didn't realize we neglected to mention that. <font color="grass" size="2px">Aeron Solo wuz here <font color="gold" size="1px">(If you wanna talk)  17:17, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

SkullClad
Not sure if this had been brought up somewhere before or not, so I thought I'd mention it. In the climax of Hell Chapter, the Hell's Wills (using the name for them the sub used) gave their power to Ichigo, gicing him a golden armor over the left side of his body with several skulls on it. The armor served to make as strong as, or possibly stronger than, his 2nd Hollow Form, as a single strike destroyed Kokuto's remaining Chains. As this is an actual "form" he takes, should it be listed in his "Powers" section somewhere? Evnyofdeath 19:50, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

It should go in the appearances in other media section.--

Well, since the page is locked, could someone add the information about Hell Chapter and SkullClad to the Other Media section? And would it be possible to create a page about the SkullClad Form if we can't add it to Ichigo's Powers section? Evnyofdeath 00:33, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

I agree a little. I think a page about skullclad form would be cool if possible. I was going to ask if it could be added to the powers and abilities section or maybe the other media section but I dont think those would really work out. Vandiir (talk) 00:48, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

We don't make pages for forms. The details of this form can be added to the appearances in other media section when the page is unlocked.--

If the form is unique to Ichigo then it belongs in Ichigo's page, not a page of its own. If you wish you can write the section and add it here. If it is up to standard it will be added by an admin. 09:35, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hollow powers - Mask
I'm not sure whether the following Hollow Ichigo's ability belongs here, but I'll bring up it. While in control of Ichigo's body throught the mask, the Hollow counterpart manifested High-Speed Regeneration. This can be seen in chapter 220 and episode 233. In both cases the wounds were covered by the Hollow fluid. However, while fighting Zangetsu and being cut through chess for the first time in the mentioned episode, the wounds were immediately healed. Zangetsu referred to it as instantaneous healing (according to subs) not as HSR. The Goblin (talk) 13:39, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

That is an ability of Hollow Ichigos and is already listed on his page.--

Shikai GIF
Maybe add an article about Ichigo gif that shows how to use Getsuga Ichigo's? 23:37, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

If i'm not mistaken, movie pics and gifs aren't allowed on our articles.

A GIF is used when a still does not adequately show what is being displayed. A still is all that is needed.--

Updating Ichigo's page
I have noticed lately that the "Shinigami Invasion Arc" has not be updated in over a month. I know that it is only a filler arc, but the arc is still part of that page. I would do it myself, but the page is currently locked from all users. Could someone please update that section of unlock the page so I can do it? Steveo920, 23:36, September 5, 2011

Ichigo's page is being protected for a reason, it will updated in due course!! SunXia  (Chat)  05:27, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Race
Restoring of the Shinigami powers makes him a Shinigami, at least his soul/spiritual body. Considering that, shouldn't we put "Shinigami" at the race parameter of the character's template and the corresponding category? The Goblin (talk) 23:33, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Be patient until we see exactly what he is!! Ichigo has always been very different from many characters given his human background and variety of powers!! Right now he looks different, wait an see!! SunXia   (Chat)  23:47, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Someone updated it. --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> I'm feelin' the flow   18:08, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ichigo's Body in his new Shinigami Form
Perhaps I missed something, but did anyone see Ichigo's human body lying around after he transformed? When he originally became a Shinigami he would leave his body behind. It might be that his body now changes, possible influenced by his Fullbringing experiences. Or it might be that Kubo didn't show his body sprawled on the ground because it would ruin the mood. Wondering if there were any insights? DukeLions (talk) 22:02, September 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * In order to become a Shinigami, his soul has to leave his body. His body is just likely lying around somewhere unseen.--

Enhanced Getsuga Tenshō
Is Ichigo's Enhanced Getsuga Tenshō of his Bankai is only black with red outline? In the Reiatsu page it says that it could also be black with blue outline.

Can it be added to that section? Adi212 (talk) 08:22, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * He never fired a black Getsuga with blue outline. It happened only once that he gained black Reiatsu with blue outline as result of suppressing his inner Hollow while in Bankai. Secondly, he didn't use a Getsuga Tensho at that time. --The Goblin (talk) 23:59, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Final Getsuga Tensho
It seems that this technique possesses healing abilities. Before using the technique, Ichigo's left arm was left burnt from Aizen's attack. However, after transforming into the Getsuga itself, the arm was completely recovered. (Source: Chapter 420, Episode 309) Is this worth mentioning in the section about this technique? --The Goblin (talk) 14:30, September 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, there is not enough evidence to say that it was the technique that healed his arm.--

Omnidirectional blast
Reference no. 483 is incorrect, it just leads to the chapter where he an byakuya end their fight, maybe changing it to when hollow Ichigo was fighting him during the vizard training would work, although I can't remember when he (Ichigo) used the technique to overturn debris. SalmanH  (Talk)  15:14, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Add more recent images?
There hasn't been an update on any images on Ichigo's main page since chapter 456 (where he attacks Tsukishima). Shouldn't there be one of his restored Shinigami powers? I would like to propose the one where he attacked Kūgo. It could be placed at the part where this reads:



Rukia tells Ichigo to show Kūgo and Tsukishima that despair wouldn't be able to stop him. Ichigo then draws his sword and swings it towards Kūgo. Kūgo blocks the attack and says that his Getsuga Tenshō has improved, but the amount of power he used isn't enough to kill him. Ichigo appears behind him and tells him he only hit him with a practice swing. He then attacks Kūgo with a Getsuga Tenshō.

Just a little suggestion, as I don't think Ichigo's page has been using much imagery lately. Cathal O&#39;Hara (talk) 16:58, September 17, 2011 (UTC)CathalOHara


 * If you want to use an image, you need to follow the Bleach Wiki:Image Policy and add proper licensing to that image as well as using the prefix of Image instead of file and sizing it 190px.--


 * Yeah apologies about that. Simply forgot to set size to 190x. Cathal O&#39;Hara (talk) 17:10, September 17, 2011 (UTC)CathalOHara


 * The picture still needs Fair Use Rationale, an example of which you can see on Image:Ep123TanmaOtoshi.png (the summary section). As for the point of your post, yeah, there's not been many pictures added to the page lately, but the page is marked in on the Article Improvement Project for a text reduction, particularly in the current manga arc section. So its a bit hard to judge whats needed right now. But there is not harm in adding more to make it easier on the eye in the meantime and the can be moved or take out as needed when the text reduction finally happens. 20:02, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Equipment
Shouldn't we list Tentoken and the flying wand? I know they belong to Yoruichi, but he did use them temporary. Further, he used Urahura's Bount sensor (episode 82), and a cat mask to hide his identity in order to battle Hollows while being trained by the Visored (anime omake 136, 137). --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> Talk  23:14, September 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * It was a borrowed item not one that actually belongs to him or something he continuously uses. That is why he cant be listed with the artifact. Also an omake is not relevant enough to have information listed in that section. --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  16:26, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Getsuga Tenshō Image
Shouldn't we put up two Getsuga Tenshō images in his Shikai section? Bankai gets an image of his Getsuga, but the Shikai doesn't and I find that somewhat off-putting. Not only do we need to demonstrate what the Shikai Getsuga looked like before he lost his powers, but we also need to show what it looked like after he regained them, because they both look very different. I have an image with rationale and copyright tagging already uploaded to demonstrate the size of his new Getsuga, but I could easily find another if its needed. All we would need is a Shikai image or .gif of the original attack. What do you all think? <font color="#008080" face="Verdana">Ten Tailed Fox  <font color="#FF0000" face="Verdana"> (Talk with me) 16:36, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not currently the shikai is noticeably different. The Getsuga Tensho is no different except maybe in size and force. Thats not something can be shown properly and most certainly not in a manga pic. I would wait for the anime version to come out and if there is that noticeable of a difference then we can possibly revisit the topic. --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  22:43, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright. Sounds good. <font color="#008080" face="Verdana">Ten Tailed Fox  <font color="#FF0000" face="Verdana"> (Talk with me) 23:11, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Mask Issues
It would appear, and I'm sure I'm not the first to bring this up, that Ichigo's new mask in the anime is wrongly colored. In the colored page of the manga, it clearly has two thick black stripes; not red. Now, manga always trumps anime in any case, so what do we do about it? Do we leave the anime picture in there and just make note of it in the description, or do we, in fact need to remove the anime image? I mean, there is no reason to present facts from the anime if they conflict with something the manga has written, unless it is mentioned in parenthesis or in a trivia bullet. Thoughts? <font color="#008080" face="Verdana">Ten Tailed Fox  <font color="#FF0000" face="Verdana"> (Talk with me) 17:03, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

I noticed it too, but I think it might be a mistake of Kubo himself. About ten chapters later hew drew a frontpage where the lines are red colored. http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-chapter-401-page-3.html

So probably Kubo changed his mind and altered the colors, but you were good to mention it. Empty moon (talk) 20:40, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Ichigo's substitute shinigami badge
"When Ichigo loses his powers, all of the special abilities of the badge are lost as well.Nonetheless, Ichigo keeps it with him regularly." Obviously, this part as the end of the Substitute Shinigami Badge section isn't updated for something like 20 chapters of the manga... What about mentioning the fact that it was the focus of his Fullbring? Isn't that important? Shouldn't this section be updated? Adi212 (talk) 18:22, September 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * The most this section requires update is to state it is his focus for his fullbring also to detail its role as weapon in two forms. The fullbring section covers the vast majority of the details and thus it doesn't need to be repeated in another section. --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  16:26, September 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * It is updated. --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> I'm feelin' the flow   17:53, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ichigo's categories
Characters like the Visoreds still have their category section include being captains/lieutenants and even Shinigami even though they are Visoreds now. I strongly think Ichigo's category section should include Visored and Fullbringer because he was at one point. Please put those category links back in Ichigo's page.

Steveo920, 16;48, September 28, 2011

Categories are just a means of organizing the page on the wiki. Pages should not have a bazillion of them or it makes it so cluttered that it becomes pointless having the categories in the first place. The four or five most important go on that is all. And the most important ones are those that he is now. 21:38, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Page Length
Just out of curiosity, is there a particular reason nothing has been done to condense the page? Ichigo, as the main character, has a lot of plot attached to him but that plot is taking up a lot of room and while I am a new user on the wiki, I have been reading it for some time now and it can be a bit overwhelming. While I understand that as arcs conclude their content is edited to be more concise, it still stands that it is monstrously large already. Is there a reason there hasn't been a seperate page or a cleaner tab system for downsizing the actual page length? Even the hide/show option used to cut away the filler arcs with the non-canon warning would be better I think. FFFX (talk) 17:35, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

The anime-only arcs are already hidden with the show/hide option. As for using tabs, we're not doing that here. I understand that certain other Wikis do that, but we do not, and we're not making a special case for any of the pages, including his. The fact that Ichigo's plot is long is because of his deep involvement in each arc. And believe it or not, steps have been taken to compress wording in the arc, through both the Fight Summary Project and the Text Reduction Project. It does not change the fact that Ichigo's involvement in the plot for each arc is still going to provide a lot of information. And while the text reduction can still be done on this page, keep in mind that there are many other articles on the Wiki that need more attention, because they're lacking plot, lacking references, need to be clean up, etc. As it stands, we have limited hands around here, and because some articles still need attention, we can't get to everything right away. My guess is that text reduction will resume when one of the people that works on it has time to do it. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  18:57, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Makes sense to me. Pages lacking information are definitely a higher priority than a page with too much. Though I honestly can't say "he's important to a lot of plot" is an excuse for it being so long "people don't have the time" certainly is. I mean, I know I don't have the time to do something like that. Making writing consice and trim is a massive undertaking. FFFX (talk) 19:15, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * If I can just offer a suggestion, why not simply move the plot section to its own page? And then under plot, merely put the current arc that is happening in the manga, while everything else is at the top, as "Main Article: Ichigo Kurosaki's Plot". Something along those lines, because the page is getting reeeeally long, and with another big manga arc coming up, and a bunch of potential filler arcs, this page will exceed limitations. --Seireitou-shishō(My True Identity 04:16, October 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Pages on this wiki follow a standard format, we are not making an exception just Ichigo's page is long. It is far from the maximum length and if it were to ever reach that point, a bit of js could easily rectify that. This page needs to be long. It is the main characters page. He has been in almost every chapter, almost every episode. He is constantly evolving a changing. We are a wiki, we strive to be the most accurate and detailed source for Bleach information. His page is fine as it is.--


 * What about his Relationships' page? All the other characters have their relationships on their page, yet Ichigo's relationships get a page for themselves. Maybe the idea of relocating his plot is not so bad (TomNamikaze (talk) 19:47, October 18, 2011 (UTC))


 * I've cut out 11kb of superfluous information over the past couple of days, so it is shorter now, but more still needs to be done to it. About the Ichigo's Relationships page, that was done before my time here by a single user who, seemingly without discussing it with anyone, created individual relationship pages for many characters which were later deleted, but Ichigo's was left up while a discussion was held on it and relationship sections in general. That discussion was apparently never resolved and so no action was ever taken on the page, which became a vile, inaccurate, unreferenced, speculative cesspit of flaw after flaw. It was in an utterly woeful state and given its condition would not have been fit to add back on to Icihgo's main article. It took an awful lot of work to get up to its present state (which is still well below par). 18:09, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Ichigos page has been up for reduction in length for some time in the Article improvement, but no one has taken it on, it needs to be summarized greatly as most detail can now be found in the fight articles.--<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  22:22, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

@Godisme - I get what you're trying to say, but my suggestion has almost no relation what you said about being a Wikia that strives for quality and detail. What I suggested was to move that information to another page, and just link it. It makes it much more organized, it doesn't demean the level of quality nor detail. But anyways, I doubt anything I say will really be taken into serious consideration. I wanted to merely add onto my suggest. Why not just move filler plot to its own page? Filler has no spot in the canon arcs, and it could be misleading when reading the page (if you see some characters, they have both the Zanpakuto Muramasa arc right after the entire Arrancar arc, which is incorrect chronologically). Just a thought. I know my suggestion won't receive too much consideration. --Seireitou-shishō(My True Identity 05:04, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Location for his Master Swordsmanship
I'd like to suggest that his swordsmanship skills be moved to his natural abilities. He showed great swordsmanship while using his Fullbring and stated in chapter 424 that he has retained all his physical training that he obtained as as Shinigami even in his human form. Steveo920, October 18, 2011, 14:15

I know that it has only been a couple of days since I posted this suggestion, but I would like a second opinion from someone qualified to make the change. I seriously think Ichigo's swordmanship skills should be moved to his natural abilities since it is a physical skill and again, Ichigo did say he retained all his physical training as a Shinigami. Steveo920, October 20, 2011, 2:07


 * I actually disagree on this, I remember the point that your referring to, it provides a good concept for Kubo showcasing how Ichigo can fight a purse snatcher after the recent events. The problem is that Ichigo was fighting guys with skill before any of the current events, he is a trained martial artist. With that in mind It makes no sense where he says he retains his physical training, because it wasnt in his physical body that he did any of the training it was in his spirit body. What he did engage in while in fullbring was not conclusive enough to say master level, at best it was expert level from what we saw, which is different from his shinigami based swordsmanship skill. --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  16:33, October 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't agree with moving of master swordsmanship skills to his natural abilities, as per Salubri's comment. However, creating a section for his human based swordsmanship skills is surely acceptable. --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> Talk   22:37, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Restoring Ichigo's Shinigami powers
It was clearly said that in chapter 460 that several Shiningami were required to use their energy to restore Ichigo's powers. It was further stated in chapter 461 that to ensure his powers complete return, all the lieutenant and captain Shinigami use their power. Please let my edit on Ichigo's spiritual energy be put back and kept. Steveo920, October 18, 2011, 14:35

No, you are mistaken. There was no connection established between the amount of power Ichigo had before losing his powers and how many people were required to restore them. 19:49, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Appearance section...
In Ichigo's appearance section, I would please like to bring everyone's attention to something. While Ichigo is the person to least change since the 17 month time skip, there is one thing I have noticed. He grew sideburns which was he did not have before the timeskip. I know it's little detail, but should it be added? Sparxs77 (talk) 08:06, October 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's added. --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> I'm feelin' the flow   18:06, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Mask Shielding
I wouldn't say that's one of his Visored powers. He doesn't have control over it, unlike donning the mask to gain additional strength. The mask would form itself to shield him from fatal attacks. It's rather his inner Hollow's ability than his own, as the former doesn't want to let the latter's body getting too much damaged. --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> Talk   11:43, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Substitute Shinigami Badge
We should add the new info (absorbing reiatsu, controlling user, etc). Do we add it to Ichigo's page in his Substitute Shinigami Badge part or somewhere else?Empty moon (talk) 23:43, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well so far we only have Kūgo's word and right now he's said so much tripe it's hard to decipher if that was the "big deal" that Urahara was referring to!! He may be trying to enrage or taunt Ichigo as Uryū was telling Ichigo not to listen to him!! Right now we need a trusted character to confirm it!! SunXia   (Chat)  00:04, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * What was said about the badge tracking the substitute and suppressing their reiatsu can be added to Ichigo's page under his badge. We can take that much as true.--
 * That bit ok but the controlling user seems without proof!! SunXia   (Chat)  00:14, November 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, will do then. SunXia I not really meant 'control' like really controlling the body, but more like knowing where he is in all time so you can use him when you need to. I should have used other words their, but I was a bit tired.Empty moon (talk) 09:06, November 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Make sure it's referenced and I know what you meant but still, they haven't shown any sort o control over him except when they appear to help help him so this claim of Kūgo's seems very ridiculous considering Ichigo has disobeyed them on many occasions!! SunXia   (Chat)  13:04, November 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * I waited untill the next chapter, maybe they were going to give more information, but didn't really happen. To get to the point, I forgot his page is locked, so if any of you would change it, that would be great, I don't have the authority to change it.Empty moon (talk) 17:04, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

New Tensa Zangetsu
I know that this page will likely be locked for some time but i will just list the new differences.

The Bankai Jacket makes a comeback but with some changes.

1. The "greaves" we saw in "neo-shikai" make a return but are larger and now white.

2. The Jacket is now open with three "cross bands" that we also saw in "neo-shikai"

3. as does the collar although slightly altered

4. Aside from the bands, Ichigo is wearing a white open shirt under the Jacket

5. The Sleeves from v1 come back and end just short of his wrists

6. Ichigo now has black gloves on both of his hands.

These are the last changes i can see in his bankai outfit

Now regarding Tensa Zangetsu's blade

1. Tensa is now much longer

2. There are three jagged points starting at the middle of the sword pointing towards its now slightly curved end.

3. The guard is now much more jagged as well

These are the only changes i could find.Cmcwiki (talk) 18:38, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

I think a general description, highlighting the important bits and a picture of it will do, rather than listing out every little change. A picture paints a thousand words as they say. People can glean most of the differences from comparing the pictures. 18:57, November 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah but I actually took the time to describe it for everybody. What i just did saves the person who updates the page more time.Cmcwiki (talk) 21:27, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ichigo's new Bankai Manga picture

this is it.

could you add it to the main page?? It's locked.


 * Firstly sign your posts. Secondly there is a process when new information from a chapter is given out. I'm not sure what it is but the page will be unlocked eventually.Cmcwiki (talk) 21:27, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ichigo's page is getting to long
I just notice his page getting way to long when I scoll up and down the page it's very slow on my computer can you guys make it look like Luffy's page on the One Piece WIKI site like how it's broken down into different sections like appearance, Personality etc. and you should do it to other characters pages also that are getting to long also.


 * We are not one piece wiki. We have had this discussion before. We are not splitting this page up.--

Finding an anime version of this image
For the last few days I've been trying to get the anime version of the image where Ichigo attacks Mr. Pork with his Getsuga Tenshō. Finding the anime equivalent has been well... proven to be quite difficult because there is not any decent still frame showing the image (or even the attack itself) in the same manner or in a decent shot. The only other image I could think of to use for the anime version is the image where he attacks Mr. Pork whilst Mr. Pork is in Beast mode (the image used to illustrate Mr. Pork's article).

I think this is a fair enough change and it also represents his Fullbring in a pretty decent manner also, since the anime version is still in the cataloging section I take it we need to wait until this image is in his gallery though. <font color="green" size="3px">Cathal O'Hara <font color="yellow" size="1px">(Talk)  01:31, December 2, 2011 (UTC)




 * If an image is listed to be catalogued and is correctly got Fair use and such, it can be used in articles!! :) SunXia   (Chat)  02:25, December 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * The image has been added, thanks, 23:14, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Censorship?
Should we add something about how the design of Ichigo's initial Fullbring was changed in the anime? In the manga it was a large swastika design, which matched his zanpakuto's tsuba, but in the anime, it was changed to a more cross-like design. Should this be mentioned? Or is it not a matter of censorship? Avolling (talk) 16:24, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

I think that would be fine. Sounds like censorship to me.

Ichigo's Fullbring Image
Hey, is it okay if I replace that manga image with the anime image?--Gran Danku 22:11, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ichigo Species Status?
Hey. Can I edit the part about Ichigo's Species? He was born with a Shinigami and a Human so wouldn't that make him a Substitute Shinigami Hybrid? He is half human and Shinigami.

Fist sign your posts. Secondly that doesn't make much sense because his father was not spiritually aware at the time he was born, meaning possessed no spiritual power or even the capability to see spirits. How this may have affected his creation is still left open. In any case ichigo is completely human though spiritually aware with significant spiritual presence. Later he was only a average soul and had to go through training to achieve any actual shinigami powers, though different this is reminiscent of what other souls have to do to become shinigami. No one is born a shinigami you have to have the spiritual power as a soul to become one, and then through training achieve it. You cant be half shinigami as there is no such thing, as they have no physical body like a human does, they are spirits. There are also no half-breeds in bleach. Even if two shinigami had a child unless the child has significant spiritual power and until that child trains and properly achieved the necessary requirements to be a shinigami they are then nothing more then a average soul. Ichigo is considered a human throughout the series as he possesses a human body. Originally he was shinigami only when in spiritual form and later a fully realized visored though he still considers himself just human. Also Substitute shinigami is a simple job title. --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  02:48, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Time of Quotations
I think there's a problem with the quotations to Gin in Chapter 399 and to Muramasa to Episode 235; from what I remember, Episode 235 was published before Chapter 399. So I am going to switch places between them, okay?--Gran Danku 22:20, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

Second Hollow mask


Do you think we should put this pic of Ichigo's second hollow mask because it shows the entire mask like the pic of the first hollow mask, what do you think ? Ultimatex (talk) 02:09, January 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * The picture is better than the one that is there, but you need to add the Fair Use Rational to the picture otherwise it cannot be used. This is done by adding the code below to the picture and filling in the fields on it. You can see what type of things to write on it by looking at this link. 12:25, January 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's okay now. Thanks for adding it. If you have any other pictures that you have uploaded would you mind adding it to them as well. You can check at Special:Contributions/Ultimatex. It would be much appreciated. 13:00, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Hollowfied Getsuga Tenshou gif
Should we put, it shows the Getsuga Tenshou differently from the pics that show like a wave, what do you think ? Ultimatex (talk) 02:12, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * It is not necessary--

Ability
Looking back on chapter 422, page 17 and chapter 450, page 15; Is it at all possible that ichigo can possess the ability to read the thoughts and intentions of his opponents through contact with their blades? please comment. superlogan7437 (talk) 22:49, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * This is an old japanese belief that warriors can understand each other through combat. It is not an ability really.--

New Tensa Zangetsu Double Image
I noticed that on Ichigo's page, there same picture of his full-body shot with his new Bankai is used twice; once near the paragraph in the arc he uses it and a second time near his Bankai states. Can we please remove the copy of this picture in arc paragraph or at least change it back to the earlier picture of his shouting "Bankai!"? Steveo920, February 16, 2012, 23:44
 * The picture illustrates both the scene and the new Bankai. It will be replaced with an anime image soon and likely not the same one.--

Bankai duration
"Furthermore, the fact that all of his energy is "compressed" means that usage of his Bankai doesn't expel as much spiritual power as other Bankai from the point of activation, thus allowing him to use Tensa Zangetsu at a much longer duration than any other Bankai users of his level."

It's kinda obvious, but has it ever been said? --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> Talk   22:26, February 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Im not getting into a has it ever been said argument with anyone. If its obvious then im not understanding why you make into an issue. Because im not for nit picking for everything in an article, my general view is if it takes away from the article then its not up for discussion. Unless you have something better to offer. --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  22:33, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Ichigo's Reiatsu fluctation
Can we please remove the part about Ichigo's reiatsu fluction from high to low? That was only a temporary effect of his inner Hollow going out of control. Steveo920, February 27, 2012, 1:36


 * That is not what it refers to. What it refers to is that Ichigo is strong enough to beat a captain with shikai one moment and then the next he is not able to defeat a privaron Espada in his Bankai.--


 * God is right, Ichigo's power is often related to his resolve to battle and his Reiatsu is a constant representation of how that changes throughout battles and it's often reflected upon!!

Wordy and Redundant
I'm sorry if it wasn't to your liking but I still really believe that several parts in Powers and Abilites section, many things were to wordy and somewhat redundant. For example, Tensa Zangetsu in two seperate section talked about its post-Dangai look. I was just trying to clean that up. Steveo920, February 26, 2012, 2:08


 * No actually you only contributed in making it wordy and redundant. Alot of changes you made was inaccurate and/or basic misunderstanding the material. If not that it was considerable additional info not necessary to the article. This also is realized with your previous point of removing the fact that Ichigo's powers fluctuates. You werent authorized to change anything, especially on that scale but as usual you choose to do what you wanted.--<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  13:19, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Enhanced Endurance
"Apparently, using the Visored form makes him much more pain resistant, Ichigo even states at the beginning of his Visored training that "wearing the mask feels like being in control of someone else's body"."

I can't find a reference for the bold part. Does somebody know what chapter/episode Ichigo said that? --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> Talk   23:08, March 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't remember that ever being said. If nobody comes up with a reference for it over the next few days, it can likely be removed. 11:57, March 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd rather hide than delete it in case somebody finds a reference. --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> Talk   02:37, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * It can be commented out for now if you wish, or just post it here on the talk page. 11:15, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

That phrase has been said in the past, but by Shinji, not Ichigo. He mentions it during his fight with Tōsen during Episode 211 at around the 19:24 mark. KuroAshi98 (talk) 11:25, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for posting. I think this can remain by changing "Ichigo even states at the beginning of his Visored training that" to "it is even stated that". --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> Talk   15:31, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Mask Regeneration
"Also his sclera do not change, and remain Human, although this happens only in the manga. Ichigo retains his black sclera and yellow irises in the anime during all the times he Hollowfies."

I don't see how this is related to his mask regeneration. Should we remove it? --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> Talk   23:15, March 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Seeing as it is out of universe any way, you can go ahead and remove it.--


 * Done. --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> Talk   23:33, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Hollowfied Getsuga
"The black Getsuga was first displayed by Ichigo's inner Hollow, and initially carried the risk of causing his inner Hollow to surface if used too much. With Ichigo's later control over his inner Hollow, this is no longer a problem."

This part appears in the Hollowfication section. It describes the dangers of getsuga used in bankai without the use of mask. I think it would fit more into Bankai section. Is anyone against this moving? --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> Talk   02:47, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thats an inaccurate as it doesnt say that at all. Its explaining that the first time the black getsuga tensho was used it was used by Ichigo's inner hollow, and therefore it was believed to carry the risk of allowing his inner hollow to take over if he used it too much. Then it goes on to explain that once Ichigo gains domination over his inner hollow then this is no longer the case.--<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  03:29, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Affiliation
It still says that he's affiliated with Xcution, even the group is scattered and diminished. I have a feeling somebody's editing Ichigo's page right now as I type, so I'm putting the info here for whoever cares to look.


 * where is this stated?--<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  16:20, March 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * It doesn't. Try clearing your cache. --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> Talk   17:04, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Hollowfication - Mask Resummon
This topic is mainly covered in "Mask Regeneration" and somewhat in "Increased Mask Duration". It should be covered in one not few sections. However, I don't see how it is related to both generation and duration. Should we make a separate section for it? --<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> Talk   21:49, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Unsourced information
I've been trying to find a reference for some information in the article but couldn't find any. Since there is no 'citation needed' template, I'll post that information here in case somebody comes up with a source.


 * 1) Ichigo claims he doesn't care about what other people think about him.
 * 2) I think this is based on Ichigo's statemnent where he remarks people around him commented black hair suits him better and advised him to dye his hair black but he didn't do that. But I forgot what chapter it is said.
 * 3) Since becoming a Shinigami, he has become noticeably more muscular, as noted by his sister Karin.
 * 4) Since it says it was noted by Karin, it should be possible to find a source.

--<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="white"> The Goblin  <font style="background: white" face="Courier" color="black"> Talk   00:53, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Mugetsu gif
I'm maybe late on this subject, but is there a reason why the gif displaying mugetsu is deleted?--Empty moon (talk) 16:51, March 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * It has been moved to its own page Saigo no Getsuga Tenshō--

Okay, thanks! --Empty moon (talk) 16:51, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Anime New Tensa Zangetsu Image
I believe a Tensa Zangetsu image, depicting its form post-Fullbring is now on the wiki, but it has not been added to the powers and abilities page. Why is this? Could someone approve or allow the change? Here is a link:http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Bleach_Wiki_talk:Image_Gallery#Anime_Images Latest image as of post date. --Oliverfalcon (talk) 12:47, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no need. This page has enough pictures. We already have what the new one looks like on the Getsuga Tenshō page.--
 * It is cool, it appears the change has already occurred. I was referring to the anime pic of the new Zangetsu form, of which there is already an manga equivalent, however it has already been updated. Also, slightly off topic, but as a new user, I don't see the harm in asking you where we can discuss new pages (yet to be made) such as Vandenreich related characters and tropes. Oliverfalcon (talk) 15:35, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Anyone is free to make a page so long as it conforms to our Bleach Wiki:Manual of Style--

Appearance
The following passage cites Chapter 461, page 5. However, I've double-checked the corresponding chapter, and nowhere in it does Kugo mention anything about those changes in Ichigo's attire. "After regaining his powers, Ichigo’s Shinigami attire also consists of a thicker strap across his chest. He also has four black vertical lines on his forearms and black, tattoo-like bands crossing over his chest, wrists, and ankles. Similar bands, but with white ends, are around his neck as collars. Kūgo speculated that these changes are influenced from the remaining traces of Ichigo's Fullbring." MarqFJA (talk) 12:52, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Your right, it doesnt say that at all. I'll take it out if thats alright. And put in the page where it shows his outfit, so that its not undone cause of removing reference --SternRitterÄs (talk) 14:13, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Profile Pic For Ichigo
Oops...forgot to do this. I plead ignorance and the fact I only recently joined... Apologies. Big apologies. (If I did anything else wrong, please tell me) I'm not sure about the current profile pic for Ichigo for post-timeskip. He has a "oh look, more idiots" expression on his face. I think something more aesthetically pleasing should be chosen. The Ichigo_pr_pic seems like a good choice, with good quality and shows a bit of his current look off. --Love Psycho (talk) 17:05, April 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Profile pictures are discussed and agreed on at Bleach Wiki talk:Image Gallery before being changed. This was the agreed on pic.--

Stats
Hello, nice to meet you all, I just want to say that Ichigo's blood type is actually AO, and he isnt 5'9" he's 5'7" lol, :P I would fix it myself but being the noob i am i dunno how. -.-' I got the information from " Bleach: official Character book SOULS. "


 * That is outdated information. Volume 53 gave the updated information--


 * Also they are currently on the 3 character book, which has updated the information regarding his stats.-- 00:37, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Base of Operations
Currently, Ichigo's Base of Operations is stated as "Kurosaki House, Mashiba, Karakura Town, Japan, Human World".

However, the map presented in the Karakura Town page indicates that the Kurosaki Clinic, and therefore the Kurosaki House, is located in Minamikawase. Shouldn't it be "Kurosaki House, Minamikawase, Karakura Town, Japan, Human World"?

Kyoraku08 (talk) 17:20, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Visored
Icigo is a Visored, as a race. He may not be a member of the group of Visoreds, but that doesn't make him not one. Silverix (talk) 18:42, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind, didn't see this was already resolved... Silverix (talk) 18:50, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ichigo lost his Hollow powers when he lost his Shinigami powers. Since regaining his Shinigami powers, he has not displayed Hollow powers again. Until he does, he will not be listed as a Visored.--
 * Full-bring utilises inner hollow powers. We should assume he still has hollow powers as a shinigami due to this, unless shown otherwise shouldn't we? Silverix (talk) 18:55, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Further, Ginjo stated that Ichigo has hollow powers, further reason we should assume he does have them, seems to occur from being a substitute. Silverix (talk) 18:56, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ichigo lost his Fullbring and it was never stated how Ichigo could use Fullbring. We aren't going to assume anything, thats speculation.--
 * Why are you assuming he lost his hollow powers? It was only said he lost his shinigami powers. Ginjo SAID he has hollow powers. I think we shouldn't assume ginjo was wrong. Silverix (talk) 18:59, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Further, hollow powers are just side effects of being a hollow, he is half hollow, that wouldn't disappear due to a technique which uses up all his shinigami powers. Silverix (talk) 19:01, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ichigo's inner Hollow and Zanpakuto spirit merged before his fight with Aizen. By using the final getsuga tensho, Ichigo lost his Shinigami powers, the same powers that had merged with his Hollow powers. Ichigo was powerless for 17 months. We are making no assumptions here. Ichigo has not displayed Hollow powers so we will not list them. Should the time come when he does display Hollow Powers, it is an easy change. Discussion closed.--

The "thousands of years" Jinzen misconception
I'd like to point out that the article for Ichigo in the section "advanced growth rate" states that Ichigo has "mastered Jinzen in 3 months" while it takes "even the most talented Shinigami thousands of years". What Isshin meant by the "thousands of years" comment is that Jinzen is a technique that has been studied, perfected and honed on principle over thousands of years, not that it takes thousands of years to complete for any given individual. That even Yamamoto himself is older than circa 2000 years is rather unreasonable, and I doubt there's anything more he can learn about his Zanpakuto.

Furthermore, if the mastery of Jinzen can be reflected in one's Bankai changing shape, then Ichigo's sole reign in this matter will soon be overthrown, since Kubo stated in a recent interview that "Renji's Bankai has already changed". We'll probably see it even in the very next chapter, and if not, very soon anyway.

Even counting out the above paragraph, I hope you get my point. I propose removing the comparison and replacing it with something like "He completed Jinzen in an unusually short period of time" or something. Please comment. Xfing (talk) 16:41, June 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually what was meant is well known, if thats what you took it to mean from what is stated in the article then the article should be updated to better word the explanation given. --


 * "He is also capable of completing Jinzen within roughly 3 months in the Dangai, which even the strongest of the Shinigami in Soul Society will take thousands of years before it is completed." - that's what the article says, and it's pretty obvious. What I mean is that I don't think Isshin actually said this in the manga, afaik he said something like "now you'll explore thousands of years of shinigami history" or something like that. Doesn't mean it takes a shinigami thousands of years to do what Ichigo did in 3 months. Xfing (talk) 15:39, June 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Having looked at the area in question the sentence was removed. As it was supposed to represent advanced growth and it really didnt. Engaging in Jinzen is not something really measurable by time but by if one can connect to their zanpakuto and what they get out of it. Him being able to do it allowed the possibility for a new technique but really isn't growth in itself but a means to possibly achieve that growth. Also looking over Jinzen its clear that the sentence was inaccurate as well.--

Forgive me if this is just a misconception on my part, but isn't there a gap between the tsuba and the midpoint of the new Tensa Zangetsu's blade? Blankslate (talk) 02:51, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Adding character role in description
Hello there everyone. What I mean by character role is something of say "Main Protagonist" or "Minor Antagonist" etc, to pages, which I think will make the pages more encyclopedic for people who have just learnt about Bleach or heard about it from friends. For Ichigo it'd obviously be "Main Protagonist". If it's not a good idea or if it's redundant, please say. TheTenkaichiBudokai (talk) 21:52, July 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Our articles are written using In Universe wording. Stating a character's role would be breaking this styling.--


 * Ah, I understand. Thanks for an answer, I just wanted to make sure if this kind of edit was acceptable or not before making too many of them. TheTenkaichiBudokai (talk) 22:00, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

New Technique??
I am asking about Gekka Tensho. It were used in 501st chapter´s first page. Ichigo said that EVEN Gekka doesn´t work against The Jail. Gekka looked like taifune. Does it mean Getsuga Tenshoo or is it technique that Ichigo obtained in training his zanpakuto,like Inoue´s Shiten Koshun. And what that means, Gekka Tenshoo. Doesn´t Tenshoo mean Heaven-Piecer. Answer if you know! --Silverwing (talk) 15:00, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

"Gekka Tenshō" is most likely a bad translation, and Ichigo probably meant Getsuga Tenshō, not Gekka. This happens from time to time.--


 * It is just a bad translation on the part of Mangapanda/Mangareader. Mangastream had it as Getsuga Tensho.--

Tenburenjin
There's a technique he used when deflecting Byakuya's bankai (he slash everything around him at high speed) which doesn't have a name but that move is featured in various Bleach games called "Tenburenjin" (天舞亂迅). I don't know if we should put this in his bankai techniques or just ignore. But what I'm saying is that he used this technique before in the manga. Nathan900130 10:33, October 14, 2012 (utc)
 * There is no indication it is an actual technique rather than just a bunch of slashes.--
 * If it is true that there is an actual move in the video games that has a verifiable name which is not given in canon material, then (provided it is properly referenced) it can be noted in the appearances in other media section, but like all game-only info it would not go in his main powers & abilities section. 17:48, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Race
What's actually Ichigo's race? I know it's not resolved yet and is supposed to be adressed in the final arc (this true blood stuff) but the're should be a mention that he is/was a fullbringer in the infobox. Something like Human (Fullbringer), Shinigami? or even Human(Fullbringer)-Shinigami hybrid...--Nekosama (talk) 12:11, August 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ichigo is not a Fullbringer, his new look (in regular shinigami shikai, and bankai) is a reflection of that powers influence but that whole concept ended with the last arc. Kubo even confirms Ichigo was never meant to keep that power (hence how undefined and underdeveloped it was). Prior to loosing his abilities he was considered a Visored. After the return of his shinigami powers we are not sure where his race situation is. He has shown no visored ability as of yet and It is essentially Shinigmai so far, we dont use human as its not actually a significant defining characteristic for him regardless of his reference or others to that (being only human when he is actually in his human body, which is unique to him as well as identifying in whats important to a human), also he rarely spends his time as human in the context of the series. Stating otherwise would be misleading and inaccurate. --


 * I see Your point, you're right about the visored thing and it's true that giving too much information could be misleading. But not considering Ichigo as a Fullbringer may lead to another false asumption - that every human, through special training can gain fullbringer powers becomeing a Fullbringer and that is not true. According to our Fullbringer article "Fullbringers each have a parent who was attacked by a Hollow before they were born. Traces of the Hollows' powers remained in their mothers' bodies, which were then passed onto them when they were born. Thus, the powers resemble those of Hollows more than they resemble that of a Shinigami's" Aside being a son of a Shinigami, Ichigo displayed hollow-like powers common to other fullbringers (but only Sado and Ginjo were shown to have those hollow-like powers). And his father as a shinigami had to be at least once attacked by a Hollow. The real issue is that Kubo never bothered to give a backstrory about Ginjo who at different points of his life was a Human, a Shinigami and a fullbringer respectively. He never explained how it was possible to be both. This would also shed light on Ichigo's "racial" status as well. If Kubo doesn't give any new info in the future databooks or in this last arc, we may never know...--Nekosama (talk) 16:40, August 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ichigo is NOT a Fullbringer. He had a Fullbring, which was then taken from him. You can't be a Fullbringer unless you have Fullbring. If someone is a runner and they lose their legs, they are no longer a runner. Ichigo is nothing but a Human with Shinigami powers at this point.--

Ichigo's Quincy powers.
Has it been confirmed yet that Ichigo has Quincy blood in him? Should Quincy be listed in his race? He couldn't have gotten out of that Cage if he were not a Quincy, and Juha Bach said that the cage awakened something in Ichigo.Kevingcat (talk) 15:20, October 31, 2012 (UTC)Kevingcat


 * It was only implied by Juha Bach. I think we should wait until actual confirmation. -- Qazqaz 555

It was Implied by Juha Bach that his mom was a Quincy, but it was almost directly said that Ichigo is a Quincy, because when Ichigo exploded his Reiatsu, Kigre's Reiatsu Awakened the memories within Ichigo's from its very roots. And then Juha Bach then went on to say that Kigre's prison was meant to seal those inside of it, and that it would not work on a Quincy. If you suggest we wait for Ichigo to start shooting Spirit arrows I'll hold my tongue. Sorry for the inconvenienceKevingcat (talk) 15:20, October 31, 2012 (UTC)Kevingcat

Typo
I was reading "The Lost Substitute Shinigami arc" section and noticed this typo: hare should be changed to are. Sorry to bother with something minor but I can't change it myself. "Cecily" Sessie 08:09, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. 10:25, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Asauchi
Can we remove this from Ichigo's equipment section? He only had access to it in Zangetsu's inner world. Therefore, it never really existed.Steveo920, December 19, 2012 13:36

Enhanced Strength
For that bit about kicking Ebern without injuring his leg, should we move that to the Durability section? Strength doesn't seem like the right place.--Xilinoc (talk) 05:20, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Race
The recent chapter 528 has confirmed that Ichigo is half-Quincy. Can someone please change Ichigo's info to say that he is at least a Quincy-Shinigami hybrid? Steveo920, February 27, 2013

yea we arent doing all that, hence why the page is locked to prevent impulsive and inaccurate changes.--

Reiatsu coloring
According to the color spreads of chapter 162, Ichigo's Shikai reiatsu is gold colored. The anime recolored it blue. Shouldn't we add this to his "Vast Spiritual Power" section, or at least make a note of it?


 * You can put the differences in the trivia section in the trivia section, just make sure it's properly referenced or it will be removed --Kamikaze839 (talk) 02:58, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Relation to Kukaku and Ganju
Should we not edit his infobox to reflect the same information that Isshin's does? Considering that Isshin is Kukaku and Ganju's uncle, would it not stand to reason that they'd be the cousins of Ichigo, Karin, and Yuzu? Windrays (talk) 02:31, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

No they are secondary relations to Ichigo no need to overload his info box especially considering that they are really Isshins family predominantly.--

Kaien is Ichgo's cousin?
Shouldn't so one mention that ichigo and kaien were actually cousin since issin was his uncle? Justin Holland (talk) 19:51, March 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, as stated in the discussion above this one, they are secondary relatives to him, and including them would overload his infobox. And they're more directly related to Isshin than to Ichigo. Also, sign your posts. --Kamikaze839 (talk) 19:49, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

All right then, just a thought. Justin Holland (talk) 19:51, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Ichigo is member of Shiba Clan?
If Isshin Kurosaki formerly known as Isshin Shiba is/was from Shiba Clan, then Ichigo Kurosaki is also a member of Shiba Clan. As it has been stated Isshin Kurosaki is of a branch of the Shiba family and is likely the head of that branch of the family. In Japanese nobility it basically works that the sons of a noble house are given lesser titles and houses to head as the main assets go to the first born male. This would insinuate that Isshin is a younger son if he is the head of branch family. This would also mean that his older brother i.e. Kaien, Kūkaku & Ganju Shiba father is head of the main family. --Ankit09 - Talk - Contributions 08:00, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Except Isshin pretty much left the Shiba Clan behind and took to a life in the Human World. Isshin may be of some relation to Kaien, Kukaku, and Ganju, but because he left the Soul Society, he also left the Shiba Clan. As such, nobody in Ichigo's family is a part of the Shiba Clan. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  08:24, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Nav Templates
Since Ichigo is no longer Visored or XCution (and XCution has been effectively shut down), could we remove the two navigation templates and replace it with the Quincy navigation template? --Kamikaze839 (talk) 20:43, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * The nav templates still list former members, which Ichigo is included in.--
 * Fair enough, but shouldn't we at least add the Quincy Nav Template if we have it? --Kamikaze839 (talk) 22:13, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Ichigo's "race"
Concerning the most recent chapter, we're told Isshin was transformed into a Shinigami/Human hybrid to balance out Masaki's Hollow/Quincy hybridization. Considering this, I don't think the label "human (part quincy)" is an appropriate description of the nature of Ichigo's state. At this point it appears that he is indeed human/quincy/shinigami/hollow according to how Kubo has set this up. There seems to be distinct differences between these four states of being, and it's not as simple as "everything is just a human soul with different powers." At the very least, the state of his being should be labeled as "unknown," and I would argue that the current label was put in place prematurely. Dumai12 (talk) 04:49, April 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Seeing as you wanna go into what the story said, at least 2 characters one being Isshin himself has stated that Ichigo is not a Shinigami. Ichigo has exhibited no hollow abilities since obtaining the FGT and his father once again says he is not a shinigami but he is not entirely human and then goes on to explain his mother was a quincy. Also to make a point, the most recent chapters states nothing more then what was required to keep masaki from hollowfying. Isshin is still innately shinigami though while in the gigai he was not for any purpose shinigami but trapped between the concept spiritually but was a human for all basic purposes. He didnt change races he just changed states of being due to the situation. What has went on before is past tense the current content has ichigo as simply a mixed blood quincy with possible shinigami powers due to his heritage. Having shinigami powers is completely different from being a shinigami. Any such attempt to change this would not only be inaccurate but making something already explained unnecessarily convoluted for fan appeasement.--


 * Sal is right. Ichigo is a Human Quincy with Shinigami powers, not some crazy mix of all 4 canon races.--Xilinoc (talk) 05:03, April 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ichigo has been an alive human from the start!! He is part Quincy because he exhibited Quincy abilities!! And he has been stated not to have been a proper Shinigami given his lack of Asauchi!! He's Human!!


 * Also note that at any given time in the series, Ichigo has displayed no more than 2 different species powers. EVERY character in the series has referred to Ichigo as a Human and NOT a Shinigami, with the exceptions of those who don't know he's a human. He has lost his Hollow powers and hasn't shown any sign of still having them. So far being a Human and part Quincy would be best for now.

Why would Aizen (and now the Soul King himself) be interested in a half Quincy then, since this is what you're saying Ichigo would have been at birth? This chapter is pretty clear in describing the now unique states of Masaki and Isshin. Urahara states that Isshin needs to become a being between shinigami and human to balance out masaki's hollow/quincy state (note that in this scene it's implied Masaki isn't even considered part human). Kubo has basically outright said that these states of being are inherently different. While some may consider the prospect of Ichigo having genetically inherited all of these attributes absurd, this is almost assuredly what this chapter is pointing to. The "you're not a shinigami" statement shouldn't be taken at face value, and probably merely meant that he is not a "complete shinigami." Like I said, this chapter puts into question the nature of Ichigo's soul yet again, and is more indicative that he is this four race hybrid than a mere human/quincy. Again, at least an "unknown" label should be put in at this juncture. Dumai12 (talk) 05:24, April 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * We dont assume to know what plans or motivations character have before it is revealed, nor should that be the reasoning for determining content. Nor do we assume what kubo's intentions are or go against whats stated. You cant take information and say this is fact but then say that other information that is outright stated multiple times isnt. Your assuming the content based on your own view, your speculating the information past knowledge available. If you had read the content policies of the wiki you would be aware with why this is not acceptable. The content will not be changed if you have any further issue with that then you can speculate on what ifs and maybes on Bleach Asylum.--

Ichigo Age?
Should we stat that he his 18, because at the start of the series it was stated he was 15 and it was said that he mother has been dead for 6 years, but at the end of 536 it stated his mother has been dead for 9 years, does that mean he has had his powers back for over a year now? If so should we stat that in his Age section he is now 18?
 * First off, please sign your posts. Secondly, we won't list that he's 18 until the manga says he's 18. Besides, Masaki died June 17th, Ichigo's birthday is July 15th. Her death's anniversary falls nearly one month before Ichigo's birthday, so Ichigo hasn't turned 18 yet, within the Bleach universe. --
 * First I like to say sorry about not signing my post, I'm still new to having a wiki account. The second thing is that in the first chapter, it was stated Ichigo was 15, so that means by the time he went to the Soul Society in August, he had just turned 16. (CoolJazzman (talk) 14:07, May 20, 2013 (UTC))
 * Then there was a 17 month time skip, so he is 17 by now.
 * Yes but since she died when Ichigo was 9 and she has been dead for 9 nine years now he must been 18. (CoolJazzman (talk) 14:14, May 20, 2013 (UTC))
 * She didn't die when Ichigo was 9. Her death happened before his birthday, so Ichigo was still 8 at the time of her death. {{User:Kamikaze839/Sig|14:15 05/20/2013
 * Then how come on Ichigo history page section on the third paragraph it saids "On June 17th, when Ichigo was 'nine years old', he and his mother were walking home alongside one of Karakura Town's rivers....." ?(CoolJazzman (talk) 15:08, May 20, 2013 (UTC))
 * That may be, but that also may be a mistake. Either way, the last we heard of Ichigo's age from an official source was that he was 17 and the Bleach timeline tends to be weird. {{User:Kamikaze839/Sig|15:28 05/20/2013}}
 * Maybe, but there's also the chance that this war is happening a year after he got his powers back. (CoolJazzman (talk) 15:46, May 20, 2013 (UTC))
 * That may be, but there hasn't been any source that says it has, changing the age for that reason right now would be speculation. If any more information rises up that directly states that Ichigo is 18, we will make the change Anyways, I see no way we can reach an agreement on this and the conversation is going in circles, so I'm closing this discussion {{User:Kamikaze839/Sig|15:54 05/20/2013}}

Proof that Ichigo's race is biologically part Shinigami
"Meeting Rukia awakened the Shinigami blood flowing in you." - Chapter 536

Of course, Salubri keeps deleting this because he doesn't want anyone finding out. Just thought you guys should know before he deletes it again. Darkzilla89 (talk) 22:36, June 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * This post has been removed once for violating the closed discussion and twice because it still is bringing up a closed discussion. But more importantly lets go over the facts. Firstly Shinigami arent born they are classification of souls that train to use their spiritual energy to gain supernatural abilities. Secondly a human and a shinigami/soul cant make a child thats half human half shinigami that makes no sense humans are made of atoms and shinigami/souls are made up of reishi this whole concept is behind why urahara had to create a Senkaimon that is fitted with a device that converts matter into Reishi, which will allow Orihime, Uryū and Chad to go through while maintaining their present form. Thirdly if this was at all the case Ichigo wouldnt need to leave his body to use the Shinigami powers that he had to train to attain. In closing the reason for why this isnt up for debate. He is not a Shinigami, stated by Oetsu and Isshin both here: http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/527/16 & http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/37174 (number 13 & 15) & http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/528/15 & http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/37215 (number 15 states it); "Meeting Rukia awakened the Shinigami POWERS flowing in you" stated here: http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/536/16 & http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/37854 (number 14 states it). These amount to facts when one of the most accurate scanalation sources mangapanda (hence why when looking for manga resources they are first before all) and the site for the most accurate manga translations, C-Net, state it outright. Dealing in opinions, what ifs, maybe's and whatever inaccurate translations mangastream likes to print does not provide the basis for how the site determines information.--

I would like to know what makes mangapanda translations accurate over mangastream or its just your preference since it comes out fist--Rayzur (talk) 02:28, June 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Its consistency when the content is scaned is far more accurate and superior to other scanaltaions. There is a significant difference between scanalation which is where manga is commonly read online and rushed out by a group of people trying to get the content out. translations which take longer and are done on very few websites, but they legitimize whats actually said as opposed to a rushed version. Mangapanda takes far less artistic license with the language used so as far as scanalation teams they are more accurate, while others are more colorful, this site is constantly updating to the most accurate versions of whats being said as opposed to just keeping anything as long as it sounds right. Here anything confusing can lead to wild speculation and inaccurate content on the articles. Also if you notice the scans and translations match up.--

Profession
I understand why you put his race as Quincy, but at least could we add a Profession line stating he is Shinigami, like we have done with the other Shinigami's changing their Race to Soul and adding Shinigami to Profession (CoolJazzman (talk) 13:18, June 19, 2013 (UTC))


 * This was brought up and we didn't go with it cause its technically inaccurate, as described on the affiliation page he is not in any way a shinigami besides in power and more then that is required to have the classification officially. As stated under his occupation he is a substitute shinigami that is his role according to soul society. Until such time as it officially acknowledges him as a full on Shinigami in the series, that doesn't change otherwise its confusing and as stated inaccurate.--

Hollowfication
Is it okay to remove it from the list of Ichigo's former powers and put it back to the list of powers he still has? His inner Hollow hasn't disappeared, it's just Ichigo doesn't use Hollowfication anymore for whatever reason. Heck, if FGT and Mugetsu aren't in the list of former powers, why should Hollowfication be there? Will-O-Wisp (talk)


 * No because for that to be true it would have to be a fact that his powers exist how they previously did, until he shows indication of that being the case its misleading to put it on powers that he has. FGT is a zanpakuto technique whether he choices to use it or not doesnt mean he isnt capable of using it.--

Former Zanpakutō Forms
Forgive me ahead of time (and I'm not saying do this right away), but can we slim Ichigo's Zanpakutō section and make a kind of sub section on his page for his Zangetsu. Something like Zangetsu (Former Forms) [show/hide]. He has A LOT on his page and his Zanpakutō section is particularly long because of its transformations. This is what I had in mind:

Zangetsu (斬月, Slaying Moon): When Ichigo first becomes a Shinigami, his...

Shikai: After Ichigo has his Zanpakutō broken... (the new section about the dual Zangetsu's) and a picture of his current Zangetsu's

Now either above or below the Shikai section we could have a (Former Forms) section there. And when you click it, it reveals Ichigo's former forms of Zangetsu (Zangetsu's constant Shikai form & Zangetsu's Shikai Version 2 with their articles and pictures.)

Then the:

Getsuga Tenshō: etc.....and so on and so on.

And the same with his Bankai if it turns out to be different than the Tensa Zangetsu we're used to. I think it should also have a (Former Forms) section just as the one I'm suggesting for the Shikai section. After we see his new Bankai form (not right now) these could also be put in the Former Forms section in his Bankai section: his Zangetsu's Bankai: Tensa Zangetsu article and pic, his Version 2 Article and pic and his Version 3 Article and pic.

I posted this on Ichigo's talk page because everything I listed is a former form (old Zangetsu forms) that he no longer has. It has been upgraded. Yes the Zanpakutō is the same (name wise), but the form or shape of the blade is different (way different this time even becoming a dual type). This is just a suggestion for the page. Don't get made at me :P Thanks for the time. 18:08,6/19/2013

I was wondering the same thing...as this is a new Zanpakuto, what's related to the old one should be moved to the former powers and abilities section, since these are two different Zanpakuto's, and the new one should take precedence, not to mention it's gonna pretty much double the size of the section, which is already massive...any other opinions are welcome. Darksusanoo (talk) 20:18, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be "After his zanpakuto was broken while in bankai" not "After the shikai form of his zanpakuto was broken while in bankai". User:KingofVIZ 23:22. June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Quincy powers vs. Hollow powers
Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but I noticed something strange in the section for Ichigo's new Zanpakuto:

"After Ichigo's Zanpakutō was broken while in Bankai and discovers he does not possess a true Zanpakutō, rather formed from Ichigo's inherited Quincy powers, Zangetsu is eventually forged by Ōetsu Nimaiya personally, using an actual Asauchi."

Where was it said that this was because of Ichigo's Quincy powers? Ouetsu said that his old Zanpakuto was formed from Ichigo's Hollow powers, not his Quincy powers.

Andrew Crichton (talk) 05:02, June 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Fixed.--

Shikai?
How do we know that the new Zangetsu form is Shikai and not unreleased? Unreleased makes more sense, this being a new Zanpakutou. Unless I missed something. Dzylon (Talk) 04:39/June 23, 2013

Unreleased Zanpakuto have consistently been shown to take the form of a katana or similar Japanese blade. Unless stated otherwise, Zangetsu's new form will be considered it's new Shikai state. 04:46, June 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * I believe that's an incorrect approach to take here. Since when is Ichigo compliant with Shinigami norms?


 * It's also very logical to assume that Kubo is showing us the unreleased form. Why would he show us Shikai first? Does that mean he'll be showing us the unreleased form later, or that the unreleased form isn't changed at all? Both of those scenarios make little sense.


 * I'd have made the change myself already, but that appears to be unwelcome. I'm being blocked. Looks like I'm stuck here, where I doubt I'll make any progress in changing your mind. Too bad. Dzylon (Talk) 04:55/June 23, 2013

Despite the fact that in the entire time bleach has been a series Ichigo has never had a sealed zanpakuto, he has always has constant-release type no matter what his zanpakuto looks like, This case is no different. What makes no sense is what your saying. ichigo's zanpakuto has always been in shikai as long as he had his own zanpakuto after his shattered shaft training. This is actually something commonly known in the series.--


 * Except that's wrong. "Stopping in his tracks, Ichigo, turning towards Urahara, calls out Zangetsu, activating his Shikai." That's from Ichigo Kurosaki. If you're right, this wiki is not to be trusted whatsoever. Sure, he usually stays in Shikai, but this situation is a bit different, don't you think? Has Ichigo's Zanpakutou ever undergone a change like this before now?


 * On my wikis, if we're assuming things, we say so in the article. Doing otherwise does not make a trustworthy resource. Dzylon (Talk) 05:24/June 23, 2013 05:24, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

I'll reinstate, Unless stated otherwise, Zangetsu's new form will be considered it's new Shikai state. Other than that first sealed Zanpakuto which was born from Rukia's power, not his own, Ichigo has had a constant-release type Zanpakuto like Kenpachi Zaraki and confirmed by Yoruichi. We have reason enough to believe he has simply acquired a new Shikai form, like when he regained his Shinigami powers during the Fullbring Arc. If it turns out that this is his sealed form then we will simply change the content of the article to reflect the new information. 05:35, June 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Your opinion on this matter isn't as ultimate as you're making it sound. You look like a regular editor to me. Whatever. I'm not making any progress here, so I'll take my leave. Dzylon (Talk) 05:42/June 23, 2013

Thank you for understanding your situation. :3  05:45, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Zangetsu's old forms
Just out of curiosity, is there a reason why all mention of the old Zangetsu is just gone from the ability section? I mean, I figured it would have at least been moved to the "Former Powers" section, but it's just gone. Seems like a pointless loss of information.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 13:16, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * If you looks on the page, it's in a new section under the Former Powers section.--Xilinoc (talk) 16:17, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah I see. It wasn't there when I made the comment. Alright thanks.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 18:58, June 23, 2013 (UTC)