Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-35233810-20180412205933/@comment-35233810-20180601141215

Cuhulainn wrote: Ryusei-6 wrote: You know I didn't include Nel because of how her transforma; moreover she fell from that rank so I didn't consider her. If we put her we would have to consider all the other former Espadas. As for her transformation, I will always maintain that the Espadas 1-4 are all Vesto Lordes Class because of how they transform and maintain their human appearance particularly Stark. Espada Rank 5 comes close too.

So since she transform and her appearance completely changes I don't think she even comes close to any of the top 5 Espada moreover, she nearly died against Nnoitra since he didn't transform but she did yet she couldn't cut through his skin.

He didnt harm her at all. Where is she nearly died? She couldnt hurt him in release because of reiatsu became lower, as stated Szael her reiatsu became weaker and weaker and then she became child, for now she has not that problem because of Urahara.

So in all them battle she gave some damage at body Nnoitra, he didnt cut her at all, her speed higher, with one hand stopped his cero and she was in weaker form.

So she could became stronger because terms of power changed, as stated even Nnoitra "espada became stronger and terms of power changed " as fact we saw Dordoni and others who were espada but lost numbers because terms of power changed.

You know you made a very good point; however, look at Isshin, he had not been fighting for the past 20 years after losing his powers. Moreover, he had lost some of his spiritual pressure as well upon getting it back, yet he was still able to keep up with Aizen in the final battle wearing him out before he changed (Episode 296 The Shocking Truth...The Mysterious Power Within Ichigo!). So therefore, it would be a bold clam, that in his prime, we was just as strong as Byakuya or even stronger. Now, lets apply that to Nel; we do not know how long she was without power, but what we do know is she was without it for a long time since Nnoitra got promoted to the 5th rank. Therefore, if Nel was the third strongest during her prime, and using Isshin as an example, she still should have been able to cause significant damage to Nnoitra, even in her base.....she could not even cut him, even when she released. Looking at it that way, that is way I did not include her.