Talk:Ulquiorra Cifer

I was always wondering, how do I pronounce Ulquiorra's name? Is it "Ool-kwi-oh-ra"? Or should I pronounce it similar to the Japanese way, "Ool-ki-oh-ra"? That is, does that "qui" in his name sound like "kwi" or "key"? :(His Wrath falls from the Heavens. :Starshade) 14:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It sould be pronounced ool-kee-or-ah, as "qui" is pronounced "key" in Spanish (like "que" is "kay"). LapisScarab 04:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Not sure if it'll stick in the official dub of the Anime, but in the English Bleach: Shattered Blade game, his name is pronounces as "ool-kwee-or-ah". I'm not sure what they were thinking at the time. They might correct it when the English dub hits the Arrancar arc, but nothing for sure as of yet. Arrancar109 05:46, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you. In that case I should follow the more Spanish pronunciation. :(His Wrath falls from the Heavens. :Starshade) 12:16, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Age
In the article it says that Ulquiorra appears to be among the youngest of the espada, but Lilinette has stated to Ukitake that appearance doesn't equate to age in hollows. Seems a little misleading given the new info. Mr Gray 02:38, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. The ages of Arrancar cannot be based on appearence alone, as this case suggests, so telling the youngest from the oldest is a challenge. From what we've seen, it looks like Wonderweiss Margera is the youngest of all the Arrancar, but this again could prove untrue, as the creation of new ones could've occured. So telling the age of an Arrancar could only be decifered if their original Arrancar number (Ex: Shawlong was Arrancar #11) was revealed. Hopefully Tite Kubo will reveal some more of the original numbers so a proper theory can be obtained. HuecoMuffin 20:03, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Quotes
Could someone make a section for his quotes? I would do it myself, but I'm new to this, so I'm asking all you professionals out there for assistance. Thank you.

Master Swordsman?
Ichigo has been recently ranked a master swordsman, Ulquiorra outdone him and nearly sliced his head off. Moreover Ulquiorra holds some sort of sword upon releasing using it to easily wreak Ichigo's mask and swinging it proficiently. If we don't consider him a master swordsman given these facts we will have to remove this status from Ichigo aswell. World Master 12:23, 23 March 2009

As for his name, you can pronounce it as you'll-key-aura to be simple about it. I don't think Ulquiorra qualifies as a Master Swordsman. This seems to be something that is being stuck onto every powerful character without any regard for if it is actually true. Think about how Ulquiorra fights, Ichigo himself said that "Its just like hes fighting with his hands, just with more reach". This seems to indicate Ulquiorra is far from a Master swordsmen, even if he is powerful, as he fights the exact same way with his hands as with his sword, relying completely on thrusts and wielding it with only one hand, a manner similar to Zaraki -Who does have the excuse of knowing Kendo and being a truly skilled swordsman, but prefers to hold back- I would go as far as to Say that Ulquiorra's skills with a sword might be Sub par, simply from lack of use. I wouldn't call someone who fought with a sword (A Bladed weapon) the same way as if he was using his hands (A Blunt Weapon) a Master Swordsman. The World Platinum 05:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

It's fairly obvious that Ulquiorra's hands are not blunt force weapons, after all he did pierce Ichigo's chest, also the fact Ichigo claims the sword is just longer reach implies that Ulquiorra is using the weapon as an extention of his body, therefore must be quite skilledArieus 04:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe the idea of him piercing Ichigo's chest relates more to his Super Strength then his mastery of a Bladed weapon. Your fingernails or your extended hand are not piercing weapons, if you hit someone like that, its not magically going to go through their skin, your hand is either going to snap upwards and possibly break, or snap down and your making a half-fist, so why should an Arrancar's fist, which is physically similar to a Human's, be a Piercing Weapon? I don't see Ichigo's comment that it is just longer reach as any basis on calling him a Master Swordsman, It seems to me, that Ichigo was just saying that he is fighting the exact same way as if he didn't even have his sword. The World Platinum 17:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree w/ The World Platinum. Ulquiorra is very strong physically, which covers his attacks using a sword. If anything he is a highly skilled hand-to-hand combatant, only using his zanpakuto when he fights someone particularly strong or dangerous. I think he uses his sword only to block an opponent's sword, because it gives him the chance to fire a cero. Most of his moves only blocked Ichigo's Tensa Zangetsu.--Renji Abarai 19:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Renji makes a good point, Ulquiorra is possibly the strongest Physical person we have seen in the Manga, and even if he isn't the strongest, he is still extremely physicaly strong. This would mean, that he doesn't use his sword a lot, which would mean that his skills would get rusty, because he hasn't been practicing like he should. His use of his sword agianst Ichigo is just about Purely defensive, he relies on it to block Ichigo's sword, but then fires a Cero at him. I believe we should change that particular part of his Powers, either remove it or change it from "Master" to "Skilled". Lately I have noticed that every character who is introduced that is decently powerful has "Master Swordsmen" stuck on his Profile without any evidence for it, which goes agianst the Wiki's purpose of not providing Speculation, but information. The World Platinum 15:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * While Ulquiorra being physically strong is true, we have to remember Yoruichi. Her flashcry is an ability used for hand to hand combat, and seems to be extremely powerful and unstable, and her physical strength is probably greater than Kisuke's, which is pretty strong.  She's also quite possible older than Ulquiorra, who is supposedly one of the younger espada.  The only reason she was injured by Yammy's skin was because she wasn't expecting his hierro to be that strong, and even so she showed no sign of pain when beating him up.  She's also most likely the fastest character in Bleach, even though Ichigo apparently comes fairly close.  This makes me wonder though, because when Ulquiorra releases, Ichigo is much slower.  If Ichigo's inner hollow doesn't come back to save Ichigo from death, I'm hoping Yoruichi will, because her and Ulquiorra seem pretty similar.  --Utae
 * Uh, what does that have to do with Ulquiorra's Swordsmanship skills?The World Platinum 00:24, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree that Ulquiorra seems to rely on his hand-to-hand skills. Sorry for a theoretical, but I'd argue that Ulquiorra isn't used to combat using a sword, since we see no semblance of a sword in his segunda etapa, which could be his original form. This would explain his near exclusive use of his hands during combat. But of course a problem with that is that Aizen would've had to see him in this form to recruit him into the espada, sealing his power within a zanpakuto during shinigamification, and he said it himself that Aizen didn't see that form, but that's a whole 'nother ball game. Mr Gray 02:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Umm... Mr.Gray? When Ulquiorra releases he's able to create swords out of energy. What the hell are you talking about?


 * Note the date I made that post. It was before we saw his lanza del relampago in the manga, and I was speaking of his second form.  As new information came out, it's obvious that I had it wrong.  Looking back it was a bit boneheaded of me to say, but hey, I was new.Mr Gray 23:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Also I agree with Platinum. Ulquiorra isn't very efficient with swords. He's just outstandingly strong :D FlamingDogs 11:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Tozase?
If what I know in Japanese is correct, the verb "tozasu" (whose imperative form is "tozase") means "to close" or "to lock" rather than "to bind." Are the scanlations completely reliable? :(His Wrath falls from the Heavens. :Starshade) 16:13, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is that, as far as I looked for, the 3 are available on different spoils/fanscan... :/
 * (?) ...Maybe we should include all three translations keeping Bind as the "official" one but including Close and Lock as "often translated" until the official translation come out Maul day 18:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * According to jisho.org's Japanese dictionary, "tozasu" means shut, close, lock, or fasten. But the kanji used (and given the reading "toza") is normally read as "kusari", or chain in English.  So the translation for the command should be "enchain".  The only translator of note to read it that way is "cnet" whose translation is available on . Big red01027 04:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Resurrecion Form
If anyone is wondering what Ulquiorra looks like with his resurrecion form, here is an image link. This is from IMDb.

Evilgidgit 22:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't this go on the spoiler page? Just saying.Big red01027 22:36, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

What is it,exactly?

gohanRULEZ 07:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll Move this to the Spoiler page. Please don't add spoilers to the talk pages. Maul day 12:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

This may be something stupid that I'm about to write but does anyone other than me think that it may be a possibility that Uliquiorra transformed into his hollow (the actual hollow itself, what he was before becoming an Arrancar (Possibly a Vasto Lorde which are said to appear humanoid)). That might be the reason his hollow fragment (turned into horns or elongated ears like a bat) and his number (4) have disappeared. In Turn Back the Pendulum, Kensei was shown to have transformed into his hollow just as Ichigo did when training with the Vizard's. The only reason I brought up the Vizards is because they are basically like Arrancar (just reversed). Just a possibility I would like to share with everyone. If it is mapped out it might make more since because both Ulquiorra & Ichigo would have three transformations.

Ulquiorra---Resurrección---Hollow            Ichigo---Hollow Mask---Hollow This is what it would look like if my point were true (which it most likely is not). --- Klross1.


 * I disagree. Grimmjow's number disappeared when he released (i think), but he does look very similar to his original hollow form.  Ulquiorra's first release probably brings him closer to his original Vasto Lorde appearance, and the Resurrecion Segunda probably brings him away from it a little, since there is an absence of his helmet, the piece of his broken hollow mask. Most of the bankai's we've seen, for example, share ties with the shinigami's shikai, but are often different.  Byakuya is the only example of a bankai being identical to a shikai, although it has different stages, each with a different appearance.  As for the vaizard transformations, there aren't three.  vaizard have access to the mask.  If the transform into a hollow it is their inner hollow taking over, and therefore not the shinigami anymore.  Ichigo is one of the few who has to worry about this, and it seems Hiyori does as well: anyone who cant beat their inner hollow in 60 minutes gets the mask, but is forever in danger of it taking over.  --Utae

Although its not out yet, Ulquiorra's new form is actually a second release. Its called, "Segunda Etapa". Can or Can I not add this? --- Killa0norris


 * You can add it to the spoiler page until the chapter is out WhiteStrike 22:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd say its more like ichigo goes more like ichigo--hollow mask---full shinigami/hollow hybrid. at least thats what it looks like to me--CloudHiro 12:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Black Cero
Do we know for sure it's a zanpakutou ability that only released espada can use, is it an ability exclusive to Murcielago, or is it useable in lots of circumstances? I question the validity of the statement "presumably only used by espada in their released state" when Grimmjow used Gran Rey Cero and not Black Cero against Ichigo. 04:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ulquiorra himself states that is an Espada's fully power up Cero, but he also tells Ichigo that his Kuro Getsuga looks like his Cero so i can see where the confusion comes in. As for Grimmjow's Gran Rey Cero he used it while his Zanpakuto was still sealed, whis may mean that one is used while having ones Zanpakuto sealed and the other one after releasing it. Since there is no more info avaliable I say that saying that is a release only Espada Cero would be a good interpretation of what Ulqiorra stated. WhiteStrike 04:23, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to have to disagree with you on the sealed/released thing here. What Ulquiorra said was that Cero Oscurus is the cero of a released Espada, not that it was their fully powered up cero. We cannot say that Gran Rey Cero is impossible to use while released, as that simply has not been proven. According to Grimmjow, Gran Rey Cero is the most powerful cero and also going by Ulquiorra's statement about the rules of Las Noches, that is most likely true. Keep in mind though, that Ulquiorra's Cero Oscurus is still probably more powerful than Grimmjow's Gran Rey Cero, but only because of the huge gap in power between the two Espada.
 * In that case, it makes no sense for Ulquiorra to use Cero Oscura instead of Gran Rey Cero, unless he was just toying with Ichigo. And are we sure that it's available to all arrancars in their released state, or is it just exclusive to Ulquiorra when Murcielago is released? 22:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The black cero is only usable by Espada of number 4 an above. I'm pretty sure he said that, I would need to re-read to check though. I'm pretty sure that is what it is. When Grimmjow said that the Gran Ray Cero is the strongest, he was most likely referring to it being the strongest that Espada over 4 can use. That or Tite just made a boo boo :p Acacia Akiyama 04:17, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ulquiorra probably used Cero Oscura because of its parallel to Ichigo's Getsuga, and also because there was no need for a stronger cero. And from the current scans wording, Ulquiorra implies that any espada is able to use Cero Oscura, hes just using a fully powered one to show its strength.  --Utae

I would say, that Cero Oscuras is the strongest Cero, which espadas above 4 are able to use. Think about it: Ichigo stopped Gran Rey Cero, but could not stop Cero Oscuras. In fact, he barely survived it, so I say, Cero Oscuras is a lot more powerful, than Gran Rey Cero, and it's only for Espadas above 4. If thay can use this in they released form only, or not? I don't know. We never saw a Cero Oscuras from a sealed Espada.


 * You may not be wrong, but im still not sure. grimmjow uses a grand rey cero unreleased and ichigo stops it with his mask.  and grimmjow is number 6. He used a fully charged cero oscuras while he was released.  i think theres a huge power difference there, haha.  it should also be noted that ulquiorra states that ichigos getsuga resembles "his" cero, possible meaning the cero oscuras has different variations.  See here. -Utae

About the statement, that there is no rule, which makes Cero Oscuras in Las Noches forbidden: There is a Rule, which makes released espadas above 4 in las noches forbidden - Ulquiorra stated and proved this himself. And because there is a rule against Gran Rey Cero, but there is no rule against Cero Oscuras, that could mean, that only Espadas above 4 can use Cero Oscuras, and only in their released form. Because if you have a rule against the released form, you don't need a rule against something, an Esapada can only use in his released form.

Crescent Moon Eye?
When Ulquorria first said the command of his Zanpaktou, his right pupil turned into a Crescent moon, but turned back after he Released. Was this a shadow from the Crescent Moon over his head, or is it something that needs to be put into the article under his Ressuricion?The World Platinum 02:25, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I would say that was a reflection of the moon in the sky. Acacia Akiyama 04:19, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Segunda Etapa
Before any one starts with the edits and reverts, it is call segunda etapa not segunda espada as most of you probably saw from the escanlations the kanji for etapa is ェタパ while the one for espada is エスパーダ. Hope this answers any questions anyone may have WhiteStrike 07:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I was searching for the kanji to prove that the correct translation is Etapa, not Espada, (thanks WhiteStrike). Guys, Onemanga doesn't offer us the right translation EVERYTIME, specially when chapters just come out. Don't take for granted that whatever you seen in Onemanga is actually the official translation, the current scanlation is the speed one, that means that some parts could be wrong. Maul day 07:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Ulquiorra's Saketsu
How does Ulquiorra still have power? Ishida pierced Cirucci Thunderwitch's saketsu, saying Arrancar, Hollow, and Shinigami should have similar soul structures, and she loses power. Yet, Ulquiorra's "hollow" is right there and he's obviously very powerful.--Ebon wing 16:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your question, when did anything happened to his Saketsu? Also Ishida is only assuming that since Arrancar (being Hollows that acquired Shinigami powers) must have a simmilar structure to Shinigami and he belived but never proven that it would take Cirucci's powers. WhiteStrike 17:04, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Ulquiorra's appearance
hey, I'm new here and stuff, but I'd like to point out that during Ulquiorra's second release, or arrancar's version of a bankai (i froget how to spell it), that along with his tear tracks becoming wider, there are two additional lines added on. I noticed this whilst re-reading the manga, and I noticed that along with one of the tear tracks, there was a thinner, smaller, less noticable line running right along side the main one, and this applies for both eyes. If your confused then go look on mangafox (that's where I go to read the new manga) and look at chapter 348, page 10, and you can see it under one of his eyes, but I think there was another panel somewhere, where it showed both eyes...okay, and on pg 11, you get a better look at it. Just pointing this out 'cuz no one seemed to notice.
 * Nice catch, Kendai. In the future make sure to sign your post (just put 4 tildes ~ after your name). Mr Gray 03:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The End?
Is anyone else a little disappointed about how the fight between Ulquiorra and Ichigos's inner hollow ended? They built up Ulquiorra so much, and while i think the inner hollow is epic and i was glad to ses it come back even better, i thought the fight would last longer than it did, especially with Ulquiora boasting regeneration. Am i alone in this? Does anyone feel like the inner hollow should be too powerful for ichigo to stop at this point? -Utae

Well we really don't know what ichigo is at this point i personally feel its more a vizard thing and as far as the inner hollow is concerned i really don't know what role it plays in the situation, but i must have some roll we dont really know yet. As for the fight i'am not really disappointed cause i saw it happening this way. Everyone was so pumped up on Ulquiorra and his supposed power they assumed he was going to be a harder opponent. I find the people who dont show off and and aren't arrogant about their power wont be that easy a win. He was cause he was both those things. Its like in the fight with grimmjaw they built that up to but it was longer, u knew grimmjaw was gonna lose but at least it had alot to it. The issue here is ichigo is getting stronger the more stronger the opponent he has to face. It doesnt help the Ulquiorra basically told what the fatal weakness of his regeneration ability was, he pretty much asked to get to destroyed after that literally all because he was arrogant and his pride wouldn't allow him to face the defeat from ichigo. Salubri 18:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, i dont know. Im pretty positive thats the inner hollow, theres a bunch of tells that were from ichigos hollow when the vaizard were fighting it.  plus its using a bunch of hollow abilities, and its incapable of speech, like the hollow from the vaizard fight.  then there's the fact that ichigo is basically dead, and would have no strength to repel it.  the huge hollow hole almost seals the deal for me, but i would be super surprised if that was ichigo, and not the hollow.  the grimmjow fight was kinda lame, because ichigo constantly gets his ass handed to him, but he three shots grimmjow (wut).  i also expected ulquiorra to lose, but it just seemed over so fast.  as epic as those last few panels were, i wish they didn't make him die with the same last words as rorschach (coincidence?). -Utae

What other different death conformation do you need that would be different than Noitras? He's dead. Accept this and let that last 3 espada get their asses handed to them.
 * See? Not dead.  I figured something was up with that "end". Utae 07:51, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

They'll be defeated by the captains soon enough. Also, not all Espada are overbearing. A few are overconfident. Dekoshu talk contrib 21:48, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Im pretty shure it wont be that simple. after all, Ichigo with his mask couldnt defeat the released 4th seat, and I'd put him with the mask on most likely around equal to Shunsui (the strongest captain next to the head captain) at full strength, mabie. and since the last 3 espada are probably all former lordes, and more powerful than Ulquiorra, and also most likely have secondary releases like Ulquiorra but just unknown to him. its pretty probable they will have their hands full with the remaining 3 espada. What I think will most likely happen is the vizards, who were prepareing for battle, will help out.--CloudHiro 08:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think Kubo would have made so that Ulquiorra is the only espada capable of resurrecion segunda, possibly making him more powerful than number one. also, ichigos new mask is not necessarily a vaizard one, since he has a hollow hole and is pretty much insane at this point.  i think Ulquiorra stands a good chance, because he underestimated ichigo yet again, and now knows how powerful he is.  I think this is why ishida tried to stop ichigo from dismembering ulquiorra, partially to keep ichigos human side alive, but also because he knows Ulquiorra is the only one in Hueco Mundo strong enough to stop ichigo now. Utae 08:17, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

It seems more likely that it is a vizard transformation, cause it seems like a merger between his sinigami form and the earlier revealed hollow form. And his inner hollow isnt in control ether, cause this is similar to when ichigo and hollow ichigo were fighting for control their body. Ichigo isnt insane right now, he's a mindless bezerker with nether side in control. as for Ishida, all he did was prevent ichigo from further dismembering a 'body' in cold blood. Everything sujested that ishida thought Ulquiorra was dead and he thought ichigo was just carving up his dead body, which wasnt something he could stand for. And as for the vizards, we already know that dawning the mask is only the first step to a vizard's power, which they stated. Why is dawning a hollow's entire body on theirs so much of a stretch from there? Just because it has a hollow hole, doesnt mean it isnt a vizard form. in fact, it seems more likely to me that the full form of a vizard would have a hollow hole.--CloudHiro 21:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * hmmmmmm, interesting. as for ishida, i think hes too smart to think ulquiorra was dead, and why would ulquiorra negate the cero right before it killed ishida?  i may be wrong, but i feel like theres something under the radar going on.  but i think you may be on track about the vaizard thing, but i doubt whats happening to ichigo is a vaizard form. Utae 22:16, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo technically without being a official member of the group is a vizard. So the idea that he would be experiencing something along the lines of their abilities makes sense. Anything else is pretty left field. The first place everyone wanted to go was he's a hollow. There are so many reasons why thats not the case if only people would read the hollow page they would see that. I think we identify with to much of what we commonly see or wish to see (hollows, hollow ichigo, arrancar, vaste lorde) and less of what we have little info on (the vizard). While i agree that ishida is intelligent even though the arrancar are their enemies, he will stop short of the disrespect of carving up a defeated opponent he wanted ichigo to stop, being human or even by extension shinigami (depending on the individual) requires to have mercy and or some form of respect even for a defeated opponent. lets recall he was even giving mayuri a pass when they first met in soul society, even though he was responsible for his grandfathers death as well as dissecting his body. He wanted to defeat him to avenge his grandfathers humiliation he wouldnt have gone as far as killing him but mayuri pushed him to far. Salubri 23:02, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * i know theres a lot we dont know about the vizard, but why make ichigo almost identical to his inner hollow at this point? plus, being a vizard just means you have an inner hollow.  although ichigo conquered his hollow once, he wasnt able to destroy him completely.  and ishida blew away half of mayuris body, which probably would have killed anyone else.  and ishida did intend to kill mayuri until the very last second... i dont know, im pretty sure his hollow came back, seeing as he said he would, and hes playing a huge part in this transformation.  i guess we'll have to wait and see. Utae 23:13, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no way for him to distroy his inner hollow, cause its literaly part of him now, half of him. There is no way for him to distroy him without distroying himself. the only thing he can do is subdue and control him, which is something he hasnt fully done yet, only enough to use his hollow mask. but he stated that they'll have one more skermish before he has full use of his powers. And my guess would be a full mixture of hollow and shinigami powers rather than just dawning a mask, which is probably what were seeing right now. But Im confused weather or not ichigo isnt in control of himself because he's fighting a internal battle with his inner hollow like last time and nether ichigo is in the 'driver seat' so to speak and thus ichigo's body is literaly a mindless bezerker right now, or if the powers are far too potent for ether ichigo to control and they are just trying to figure out how. If thats the case it would mean that Ichigo and Hollow ichigo would have to learn to act as one in order to control themself, which would be difficult considering they are literaly oppsites of each other.--CloudHiro 15:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, looks like he's dead now, just seen some raw untranslated images of the newest manga in the spoiler section of onemanga http://i43.tinypic.com/30w9vs2.jpg. he aparently turns to dust after expressing that he was finaly gaining a interest in humans and ichigo's group. hinting that he was begining to like humans and the human heart. he aparently dies after asking Orihime if he is a frightening person.--CloudHiro 15:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I was actually surprised about how emotional kubo made the end to this fight. its another time ichigos inner hollow has ruined a fight and basically won it for him (the first time being byakuya).  ulquiorras human side seemed to have come out at the very end and that little interaction with orihime is something new to the manga, i dont ever remember seeing anything that sad before.  although i didnt want ulquiorra to do in the first place, it seems to be a moment of grieving for everyone... Utae 10:35, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I dont think the thing between ichigo and ulquiorra is over; befor he dissolves into ash, ulquiorra asks ichigo to kill him stating that their battle will never be over if he doesnt. i think ulquiorra will simply come back in a different form. --Ulquiorra Wannabe128 18:14, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Fourth?
Someone else lost an arm? I only remember Ulquiorra,Grimmjow, and Yammy losing arms.

gohanRULEZ 06:48, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Nnoitra lost an arm to Kenpachi, though he regenerated it, just like Ulquiorra did. Lia Schiffer 08:11, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Come to think of it all four of those Espada have fought Ichigo, and Grimmjow was the only one to not lose his arm actually fighting Ichigo. Also every one of them has defeated him at least once. Renji Abarai 01:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, almost all of them. Ichigo did indeed fight with Nnoitra, but Kenpachi was the one who severed his arm, not Ichigo. So actually, only Yammy and Ulquiorra lost theirs arms to Ichigo directly. Nevertheless, it seems that Kubo favours this type of attack wound, no? HuecoMuffin 20:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Cifer?
Got this from the most recent Bleach volume. Stats for Ulquiorra. It seems to me that Kubo decided his last name would be spelled Cifer. I would think we should change it to match his desire. http://i39.tinypic.com/25yxgko.jpg RecklessFire 00:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have seen the scans an yes while it has been belived for a long time that his last name was Schiffer (spelling of his name came from the offical site for Bleach: The 3rd Phantom http://bleach.sega.jp/3rd/charactor.html . Grimmjow name that was also released should be changed as well the manga takes presendence and while some people will be confused by the change proper references will be anotated. WhiteStrike 09:54, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

i'd give a reference but i don't know how. that's the english name the author gave him why don't you understand. that's his name why would you want to give false info?--Kisukeiscool100396 15:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

How can that not be enough for you? The author himself spelled it out in clear English in the latest Bleach volume. Why would you doubt series stats/facts from the author himself? What's more is that "Cifer" fits Ulquiorra much better than Schiffer". Look at Ulquiorra's releases...a fallen angel and then a devil. "Lu-CIFER-". Get it? This is no different from everybody thinking Grimmjow's surname was Jaggerjack, when it turned out to be Jaegerjacquez.

He says his name as Schiffer. Aizen says it as Schiffer. It' supposed to be Schiffer. They can say Sch sounds. So change it back.

Lucifer in Japanese is ルシファー Rushifaa. Take away ル ru and you are left with シファー shifaa, which is indeed how Kubo writes Ulquiorra's surname in katakana. I now think the Cifer spelling makes more sense and should be left that way. Rabukurafuto 17:40, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Alright, now that I think about it, "Cifer" does sound pretty good. I'll be taking down my old post about it. -Malzzel 20:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I kind of think "Schiffer" sounds better, not only because of Father Schiffer (you know, the Hiroshima guy?) and "Schiffer" has a good meaning and all. That's just my opinion. --KamekoSuzume 19:52, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think that whether or not a name sounds/looks cool matters here. Like others have said, Ulquiorra's name was written in plain english by the author as "Cifer." I don't see any reason why this is even debate-able. Mohrpheus 19:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow
I'm kinda Sad he's dead.BTW I'm listing to the song Wind by akeboshi,I think it fits.

gohanRULEZ 06:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ULQUIORRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :'( 14:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I am truly sorrowful for the passing of Ulquiorra... He did not have to die. It angers me that Kubo Tite is always killing off the Arrancar cast, as they are portrayed as the "evil ones". These so-called "good guys" are always winning their fights against them, no matter now strong they are; the protagonist always finds some way to break through their strategy. I cried very much at his death, even if me wasn't one of my most favourited characters. I loved Ulquiorra for being an independant warrior, using his intellignece and strength to get him where he was. He was an amazing character, and unfortunately, he was set to the same fate as all the other Arrancar in the series. Rest in peace, Ulquiorra Schiffer. I for one, will never forget your greatness. HuecoMuffin 13:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

R.I.P Ulquiorra Cifer, Chapter 190-Chapter 353, Episode 113-?--Kisukeiscool100396 17:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I didnt cry, but i wont lie that my eyes were a little watery. out of all the arrancar, i wanted him and grimmjow to survive the current arc. we dont know about grimmjow, but i wish orihime had done something... poor ichigo too, always regretting the death of his enemies and his hollow did everything... RIP Utae 18:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

This is kinda ridiculous. Personally I couldnt be happier. I knew that all these Ulquiorra fans were gonna be left totally destroyed. But its a simple bad guy getting whats coming to him. I weep for the world that is happy when evil wins. He was pumped up so much but turned out to be just another in a long line of bodies. The reality is they are the evil ones, hey whose Aizen again oh yea the guy they work for. I mean you would think that nobody was paying any attention to the story. Have people really been this delusional about what's been happening. Independent warrior i think not he was a simple obedient soldier for aizen, did exactly what he was told. The arrancar are the evil ones nnorita is sexist and willing to kill without mercy or understanding. Uliquorra thinks humans and all where weak trash and wasnt hesitant to attack and kill whoever was in his way. aaoriniero manipulated rukia entirely using her dead mentor, Szayel wanted to eliminate everyone not arrancar or hollow and he didnt care for those who were to much. It goes on and on and people are on here acting like arrancar are nice and good and like ulquiorra should be mourned. i mean what manga where u reading because talkin about them like theyre good or have redeeming qualities is not realistic. The only one that even fits the criteria of independent warrior who is intelligent, and strong and honorable is Nelial (hopefully she gets back to normal). The shinigami arent perfect but they are the good guys. Last i checked Aizen and his arrancar want to totally wipe out an entire town and then screw up the balance of life and death for his own ends. He has been manipulating and hurting people for centuries and the arrancar are his new tool against his enemies and people wanna give him a medal and a party. Shameful to the say the least that these qualities and ideals are being celebrated and brutal monsters are being mourned.Salubri 18:39, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ulquiorra Cifer, the Cuatra Espada. I know Tite gave Ulquiorra a lot of thought, and it may have been a hard decision for him to kill him off like that. But, I won't forget what Ulquiorra said to Ichigo: "Kurosaki Ichigo, you cannot defeat me.". There's still so much to learn about him, hopefully they have a whole chapter about his past and how he became what he was, like Grimmjow. No matter how in-depth the antagonists are or how powerful, the protagonists will always prevail. R.I.P, Ulquiorra Cifer. Malzzel 19:17, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

What gets me is, he says "if you don't kill me now, it'll never be over." What do you think he means by that? Bulric

Did he say it before or after he started to disappear?

After he knew he was running out of energy (or w/e)(Dunno how I've managed to grey box this either...) Bulric

gohanRULEZ 21:54, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Excuse me Salubri but I am rather offended that you are trying to make it seem that your reasoning is better then everyone elses on this conversation. Ulquiorra was a magnificant character to some, and to others, they may not even have liked him - possibly hated him. The fact of the matter is, everyone has their own opinions and I don't particularly appreciate you telling everyone that we shouldn't mourn his passing, nor the passing of any of the other Arrancar. And why? Because of their motives as characters? Well forgive me for feeling close to some of them, as they are quite amazing to me personally, and a lot of others as well. You even go on to say things about Espada like Szayel and Nnoitra. They were wonderful characters in my opiniion, and just because they were considered "evil", is no reason to say those things. People can like and dislike whoever they choose, and you cannot say that they are bad characters! Every character has both good points and bad points. It just takes a person with an open mind and heart to notice them. Thank you very much. HuecoMuffin 00:51, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

First off everyone is entitled to their opinion by your very reaction it is u who feels that your reasoning is better because i dont agree with u. As far as the character aspect thats entirely understandable. But where your wrong is justifying whether a character is good or bad. Its not my decision of what a character is its kubo's and guess what he made the arrancar to be the evil bad guys (with few exceptions) thats reality. My point is to give understanding to mindsets that allow for people to say such things that evil people have good points. The character development is good i readily admit that for what the characters role is as are their skills. But im rather offended of anyone who professes something as if it was common fact, which you did questioning their moral status other then what it is. Kubo made them the bad guys if you cant see that its on you but to raise them up as some icon of greatness as if they were spreading peace and love is not true. The motives are what make the character they arent considered evil they are evil the motives prove that. To think anyone will discount motives and just so they can justify identifying with mass murderers and beings that consume souls, manipulate, betray. Well u can be offended all you want i enjoyed the concept of the characters for what they were but i knew they would die and im happier for it.Salubri 06:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Obviosuly you arn't comprehending what I have to say. I don't appreciate you trying to pick a fight with me because I commented on something you said. I did not say that someone couldn't decide if a character is good or evil. What I said was, it depends on the person in question to make that decision. So, while you are beginning to argue with me and contradict yourself about what you said, you are simply wasting your time. You said they had to be evil. You said Kubo made them evil. Well, while I agree with the fact that the position of the Arrancar in Bleach for the most part is to act as the antagonists, I don't agree with they HAVING to be evil. Yes, they are evil. Yes, they do bad things. And yes, they were created to fight for an evil purpose. But is it their fault that they were created to fight for Aizen? I think not. Who are you or anyone else to say how they would've acted it the circumstances were different? Their circumstances put them in a situation where they have to serve their creator, Aizen Sousuke. If people came in to your home and threatened to take away something you have, regardless of what it is, you'd try to get it back or preserve it. They are precieved evily because they are fighting against the protagonists. But if the plot was shifted, they could be the "good guys". It's all the circumstances and setting which makes how a character is precieved. I just choose to open my mind to all aspects of the characters before judging them. So before you start saying that I am calling your opinion wrong, think about what I actually wrote and don't take it out on me or anyone else if their opinions seem hard for you to figure out. HuecoMuffin 14:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok your new here so i guess you dont know how way off topic you are trying to make your point come across. Ill say this i dont need to understand your opinion. I dont have to sit around and perceive the characters anymore then what they were created as, thats my right. So ill say sorry for being of the opinion that the characters be seen in the light of what they are and not some fan fiction where we talk about feelings and and blah blah blah. Its really not that deep. So you really need to step back and stop taking everything as a personal attack just because i dont agree with your view, im explaining myself which i shouldnt have to, you on the other hand are starting an argument answering my explanation back being that it warrants no explanation because its my opinion. Neliel and her faccion are the only real exception seen while every arrancar doesnt even follow aizen all together and are of the mindset to do what they want (grimmjow and nnorita). Not to mention they were hollows who for the most part by their nature are evil creatures. None of which are my opinion but fact as their history and bases of the series. I dont deal in what ifs thats kubo's job, i dont care about role reversal or any of that thats not what this wiki is for thats forum stuff. This is for the actual facts of the series. Im making no more comments on the subject to u cause your the one who cant seem to figure it out. Salubri 19:19, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You know what, just because I have reciently made a Wikia account does not mean that I am in any way ingornant to how things work around here. And it doesn't mean you can talk down to me like I'm some child who doesn't understand the aspects of what I am speaking of. You obviously don't get that for one, I AM NOT taking this as a personal attack, but instead giving my opinion on the situation. Secondly, I never said that you had to agree or understand with what I was saying. I merely stated my reasoning for believeing what I believe. And last; even without this role reversal theory that I have, the Arrancar don't nesessarily have to be evil. Don't throw facts about Hollows at me like I don't know what they are. I pretty much study this stuff on my spare time. So yes, I know they are supposed to be evil, and I know all that other information you are throwing at me and making it seem like I don't understand. I understand fully, thank you very much, and if you have some sort of issue with your confidence that you have to pick a fight with me over my own personal opinion, then you are a waste of my time, and a poor excuse for a person. Don't talk to me anymore if you don't want to; I don't really care. HuecoMuffin 15:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I completely agree with HuecoMuffin, if only the antagonists die, and only the antagonists have "evil" qualities, there's no character development. One of the reasons I love Ulquiorra, Grimmjow, Stark, all the Arrancar that are antagonistic, but not pure evil in my opinion, is because I could see them turning on Aizen and becoming protagonists. It sould never be as simple as "he's good, she's evil". While there in nothing wrong at all with expressing your opinion about a character, Salubri, your way of doing so was unnecessarily hostile ("I knew that all these Ulquiorra fans..."). You have no more right to put down other people's opinions as HuecoMuffin or I have to put down yours (which, by the way, neither of us are doing). Also, pet peeve, it's not so hard to type the whole word "you" as opposed to "u". Just by looking at your separate responses, HuecoMuffin seems to be the one who's been here longer. LapisScarab 05:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for your support LapisScarab. It is nice to see that there are others out there that understand my opinions, and don't get defencive and start arguements just because they can't comprehend and accept others views. It is greatly appreciated. HuecoMuffin 02:54, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Ill only say this ive been here way longer as far as starting arguments i didnt he could have just as easily ignored what i said as its my opinion but he didnt and directly questioned me. As for character development that is not character development putting what ifs as if they were fact. Neither one of the characters you have said have shown any inclination to to become good thats pure speculation. As far me being hostile no its frustration, speculation is just fine but blatant fan fiction because thats what you want to happen isn't helpful. Wouldnt it be a wonderful if all bad guys turned good and we can just discount all the suffering they caused. I like Ulquiorra myself but not in the way you profess to uplift characters to stations they are not at. As for how I write maybe you should take your own advice and stop with unnecessary hostile actions. Seeing as if neither of you are putting down my opinions you wouldn't be so talkin about it. You two take need to take your own advice, learn to comprehend and except other views. Salubri 11:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Im agreement with Salubri here, I mean you guys are entitled to your opinion but you really cant say he's being hostile when you to are blatantly being hostile right back. Just because he doesn't agree with your view of how great antagonists are doesn't mean your anymore right. From the looks of it he is of the mindset of facts rather then ideas of what could possibly be as fact. I think that unless it happens in the series its probably just wishful thinking on our parts. As far as opinions there are plenty depending on the individual but lets be honest Ulquiorra was a bad guy didn't he blow a hole right through Ichigo, cut of Ishia's hand and even threatened that unless Ichigo fight him to the finish the whole thing would just continue, yes he showed signs of possible expectancy of humans but he was still a killer. He was cold and cruel about the whole ordeal. leopards can't change their spots. But in any case I would agree take your own advice. NeoArrancar 12:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow crazy conversation lol. But yea I dont know character development based on antagonists living all the time doesn't do anything for the plot. Stories aren't for the most part about the antagonists, I mean isn't good supposed to triumph over evil. I think we are all taught that. Its nice and all to hope people can change but I don't know in this instance. Even if your not evil and you do evil actions just under orders your still just as much to blame, because if you carried out the actions under your on will even without the intention or motivation how are you any different. I mean its a moot point because Ulquiorra is dead now, but I just dont get the whole we can rehabilitate the bad guy bit. I love the arrancar but the espada are so hyped up, especially Ulquiorra, i mean were led to believe he so powerful and great but in the end its like i dont know you just saw it coming. Also what kind of good guys have evil qualities, there are few who are questionable to say the least (Mayuri) but other then that it seems as a fight between the human personalities verses the darker aspects of human personalities (shinigami vs. hollow). I dont know but eating souls and being outright cruel and killing and terrorizing people that seems evil to me. I just seems sometimes people can look for more then whats actually there. Sometimes things are black and white, who are you gonna be on the side of the guy wanting to save you and kill the guy trying to potentially kill you or the guy thats gonna kill you. Oh and you guys are just as hostile if not more so then you claim Salubri so let he is without sin cast the first stone. He stated his opinion thats his right, being that you had to comment on it as if it was personal against you, you got defensive which allowed you to start the argument when if you didn't agree you could have just ignored it. BlazinJester1 12:44, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * First off, I am a female that you very much. If you took a little time to research and look into the situation more you would have know that. Secondly, what Salibri said his opinion was harmful to my feelings yes, so I just wanted to tell him how I felt (apparently it is a male I am dealing with). And last, I am not a hostile individual, nor do I go looking for fights. People give me props for having a big heart and always being too polite to people, so unless you know me personally, I would greatly appreciate you not judging me. I wasn't trying to insult anyone, nor was I trying to put anyone down. I stated my opinion and said what I said because I have an opinion, and a right to say it. Don't start saying that I infringed upon anyones rights to have opinions rivaling mine, because I NEVER said that. I feel very strongly about my views towards there characters, and by people saying "They can only be evil; They cannot be good at all" is a gesture that is forcing your views on me. I will never lie about what I feel, and I'm sorry if that upsets anyone for whatever reason. But I am a genuine individual who only speaks from her mind and heart. And what my mind and heart tells me is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I have my own opinion. Be it that you agree or disagree is your business. By the way, this conversation was supposed to end with your "I'm making no more comments to u" words Mr. Salibri, so maybe it is a good time for you to stop saying things that you don't mean. You come across as a liar and you won't gain any respect from those types of actions. And to everyone else who commented after Salubri, I appreciate your comments and opinions on the subject, and I fully respect your rights to have them, but please don't act like I am some ignorant person. I understand Bleach, I understand the concept I am talking about, and I understand what I feel to be my personal feelings. So forgive me if I somehow offended anyone by being true to myself.HuecoMuffin 14:02, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I was certainly not trying to offend anyone either, just trying to offer my opinion of the situation. I wasn't saying that you were hostile, it just seemed that way. As for the spelling thing, that's just something that always bugs me. If I came across as being angry or anything, I apologize. Let's call a truce on this. LapisScarab 21:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

BIGGEST. TANGENT. EVER. go argue somewhere else, and keep this page and section about information its supposed to be on. Utae 02:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

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Sad
Well i hope that Orihime will bring him back, cause i think Hachi said she should be able to bring anything she want back but i could be wrong i have a horrible memory. I mean she so kind i could see her doing it>


 * thats only possable if there were something left of him. since there literaly nothing left of him, there is nothing to restore. --CloudHiro 03:41, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so, didn't Hachi say she could bring back anything she wanted even though she didn't have a piece of it in like episode 127? --Kiniro no hana

Sad
well there could be a little ash left so she could use that.....

Not gonna work. B'sides, how are you gonna find body ashes in the middle of a desert-like realm anyway?

not to mention it looks like the ash was discintergrating into nothingness.--CloudHiro 20:21, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that this same problem occurred when Tsubaki was destruoyed and Orihime couldn't find any pieces left. She also thought that it was hopeless, but Hachigen told her that her powers (like his own) didn't have that limitation, and proves his point by reviving Tsubaki. I do hope that she does that. One of Bleach's few flaws is that so many Arrancar die (excluding those that we knew would be allies from the beginning) and so few Shinigami do. LapisScarab 04:51, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Voice Actor
I dunno where you got that Steve Blum voices him, considering Ulquiorra is uncredited in the game, but it's obviously NOT Steve Blum. You can hear his voice clearly here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWI-tioMsKs

You can especially tell by his grunts, and his crystal-clear ultimate attack speech. It ain't Blum. Lordshmeckie 01:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

That IS him. D: Listen to Vincent's or Spike Spigel's voice. Kaihedgie 01:35, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, and they're nothing alike. In fact, Ulquiorra's VA seems to be whoever played Noba in the Bount Arc. As for Blum, his voice is actually slightly more nasally than Ulq's (not that Blum has a very nasal speaking voice). Blum acting in the tone of Ulquiorra's speech would sound more like his Jack from MadWorld, which isn't even close to this. Steve Blum isn't the only VA out there who does low-key, stoic roles... The biggest problem with this is that Blum is popular, and known for roles like these. People tend to want it to be Blum, almost pretending it is him.Lordshmeckie 02:40, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Ugh, this crap again. I'm inclined to lean towards it being Blum. I actually do believe that. BUT this is Shattered Blade we're talking about. And as such, it doesn't necessarily mean that whoever played Ulquiorra is gonna reprise the role, Blum or Smith. And I highly doubt it's gonna be Smith, since he did Noba. They'd sound TOO alike. Besides, Smith is Shinji, so I think 1 significant role is enough for him. Either way though, we're gonna wait until Ulquiorra appears in the dub anime before we write down who voices him. Besides, nobody can prove it's Smith (and likely can't prove it to be Blum either). And I don't fully trust Anime News Network (which is one of the prime sources of this speculation), since they've gotten errors in the past. Besides, they also have Scott McNeil as Grimmjow, and McNeil isn't even a part of the same group as Bleach's voice actors. Arrancar109 02:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

well wikipedia says steve blum sometimes uses fake names and roger smith was one of them (here is some proof )--Kisukeiscool100396 01:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC) ]

Dead, Dead, Dead
The man is dead. No if's and or buts about it. So everything that says is, should now be changed to was. It should have been started to be changed about a three chapters ago since he died. The man was turned into dust, enough said. So please change all of the "is" words, to was.

turned good?
i noticed, while reading the manga on onemanga.com, several things: Ulquiorra's Segunda Etapa appearance changes. his horns get shorter, and his sclera change from black to blue. does this mean he wasn't evil anymore. then he saves ishida; he could have simply taken advantage of the distraction and go for Hollow Ichigos neck instead.--Ulquiorra Wannabe128 10:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't get it. The guy is dead has been dead for a while. What really does any of that matter at this point. First off the manga is in black and white so I really am not seeing anything official in the color until the anime comes out as those will be the images depicted on the page. Secondly the images in manga have a tendency to have small changes from panel to panel at times. Also his personality hadnt done a serious change he stopped Ichigo from firing the cero because the battle was between them and no one else. He wanted to continue the fight one on one, he wanted to see how far this transformation could go. He even insisted after ichigo had transformed back and retained control they continue on with the fight or it would never end. At this point it really dont matter because it wont change anything at this point. There seems to be so weird need for people to try to have arrancar rise above the negative concepts that made them hollows in the first place, but theyre not human or shinigami it really doesnt work that way either way they are damned until purification. Nelial and her faccion are the only ones who are the opposite of the norm, even then they are still arrancar and thus hollow at their core, and who knows what sins they may have committed if any. Either way its to late for Ulquiorra. TeamBleach2 15:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Isn't his last name spelled schiffer?
I'm pretty sure his last name is spelled incorrectly on this website. I believe it is schiffer. Can someone check this?
 * His last name was orriginally Schiffer but as of the latest volume Fear for Fight the author speeled it in English as Cifer. Also make sure you sing your comments using ~ . WhiteStrike 00:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Arrancar with Weapons
More and more arrancar are appearing in the series that possess some type of weapon after they release, making its mention in the trivia section longer and longer. Is it really even necessary? From the number of arrancar listed, it’s obvious that it’s not quite as uncommon as we originally thought. I think it should be removed from the trivia section of all of the listed arrancar – it isn’t that significant anymore. Mohrpheus 02:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I strongly disagree. Out of the nearly 30 Arrancar Resurreccions we have seen, only seven have shown this "sword-like-weapon" feature. If not an absolutely necessary fact, it can be considered as interesting data for those like me that are interested in statistics. Lia Schiffer 02:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)