Forum:Ichigo's new form (non-wikia talk)

Man, I'm positive that nobody saw this coming. I mean, last week, I was pretty sure Hollow Ichigo was going to make due on his threat to appear if Ichigo was almost killed again (and he still might have), but I'm surprised, to say the least, that Ichigo actually attained a new form. I wonder though... is he in control, is Hollow Ichigo in control, or is he currently in a mindless state? Arrancar109 18:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

It's hard to say. Since he wanted to protect Orihime so bad, instead of just wanting to win, he might have some control since he didn't go after the nearest person, which was her. Though with his apparent inability to communicate, this opposes such a theory

I gave my whole two cents on the entire new form in the Ichigo talk page. Kaihedgie 18:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll say this I think its the effect of Hueco Mundo. I mean ever since Chad got there his powers which are more related to a hollows powers have been acting funny and then all of the sudden he's more developed then normal. Ichigo seems like he experiencing something similar. Its hard to gauge what has happened here but best i can make out is this. Over 110 years ago when Aizen was carrying out his experiments and hollowfication first took place in the Vizards, something unique happened and you can see what is happening to Ichigo somewhat the same. Prime example Kensei's transformation was not really that of a actual hollow but like a hollow/shinigami hyprid (with the shinigami being more of a dominant trait because thats what he originally is). In this form kensei was still for all purposes himself but with his appearance taking on hollow characteristics, most notably the mask. Now when you see the current vizards you note them donning the masks. Which allows them access to hollow powers and advances their already considerable power. Without the mask they seem as normal shinigami. It took them fighting their inner hollow for control over their body and powers. But the question then is what happened to that form taken by Kensei originally. Now ichigo is unique in the fact that one he attained hollow powers differently and two he is technically still human though he has gained shinigami powers. What we do know is that the hollow tried to take over and ichigo needed to defeat it as the vizards had done with theirs or it would control him and he would be no more then a hollow. Thats the only way for him to gain control and access to his hollow abilities by use of the mask. The biggest problem for ichigo is he left before shinji could properly train him. It appears he hasnt truly won the war with his inner hollow he has only won a battle. What we also know is that transformation that took place when the vizards fought him when he was fighting his inner hollow. The best guess i can come up with is, that form was a direct result of his inner struggle when he had the upper hand he was fine but when his inner hollow strated beating him you can see the inner struggle turning more on the inner hollows side because the full hollow manifested itself physically. Now this new form seems on par with a shinigami/hollow hybrid as shown when kensei was transformed. It seems to have ichigo's body with hollow characteristics blended in (unlike the previous form this form seems to have a hollow mask but more advanced version then what he had). It seems just as brutal and savage as kensei was, so best guess is this form like kensei's is somewhat the 2nd release if you will of a vizard. The mask gives them access to hollow powers and then after that a second release of some form allows them this form. Salubri 18:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)