Forum:Arrancars and Visards

Is there a connection between Arrancars and Visards? I think that there is but i want to be sure. I ask because: 1. sinigamification - hollowfication 2. loses a mask - gains a mask 3. both were created by Aizen while trying to create a hybrid. Has it been confirmed?

Well they weren't necesarrily created by Aizen. Yes most of them, but we have already seen that there is a possibility to become a Vizard without use of Hougyoku (I of course mean Ichigo, when he was regaining his shinigami powers.) and we also know that there were natural arrancars before Aizen's betrayal (though they were according to Isshin much weaker and kind of incomplete). Ergro 23:25, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Aizen said that the concept of a shinigami crossing over to the realm of hollow has existed for sometime but because of ethical reasons very few people delved into it. Aizen of course used live subjects for his experimentation but the much more talented Urahara Kisuke developed Hōgyoku without needing to experiment on souls (at least as far as we know he didn't experiment). So you can assume that other shinigami at some point in Soul Societies history did try hollowfication, either on themselves or others. I mean, for it to be taboo, it would at least have to be shown theoretically as possible. In the land of the hollow, where there is no such thing as the rule of law, hollow have been ripping off their mask and becoming arrancar for ages. Just that as far as I can tell, only Starrk managed to end-up being a very humanoid and thus very perfect arrancar without outside help. Most hollows who undertake the shinigamification on their own don't fair as well and as Hitsugaya said, aren't much of a threat. Probably stronger then the average hollow and might give the low level shinigami some problem but captains, vice-captains... nope! As for the connection between the two, so far we have seen a shinigami (Tosen) cross completely into the realm of hollow power and have a resurrecion but no arrancar has crossed totally into the realm of the shinigami and had a zanpakuto with a spirit... well, apart from Starrk. As Lillynette had a will of her own and was his zanpakuto you could say that Starrk crossed more into the realm of the shinigami and actually had a zanpakuto with an independent will to his own, a zanpakuto with spirti. But of course Lillynette isn't a zanpakuto quite like other zanpakutos. Because at the end of the day, a shinigami's zanpakuto spirit still resides inside of them. But Lillynette was outside of Starrk. Anyway, point is that hollowfication/shinigamification breaks down the wall that seperates shinigami power from hollow power. Once that is done, the person who has that happen to them... well, let's just say that sky is the limit to where this could all be heading. Tinni  (Talk)  01:03, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

My biggest question, now that we know a Vizard can potentially achieve a full Resurrección, is it possible for an Arrancar to attain a Zanpakutō spirit? I mean, the potential for a true Zanpakutō, in theory, resides within any spirit with spiritual power. At least, that seems to be the only prerequisite for whole souls. While it is fairly far-fetched, I almost wonder if Ulquiorra's second stage Resurrección is related to somehow achieving some accord with his Zanpakutō; however, like I said, that's far-fetched, as we have no real evidence of that. Still, why a second level of Resurrección? Just getting even more of his hollow powers out, I suppose. Unfortunately, we don't really know enough about the process of attaining one's Zanpakutō to even be able to really speculate. I remember that in "The Diamond Dust Rebellion," we supposedly see a short scene right after Hitsugaya and Sasakibe have both just attained Hyōrinmaru, and they were in some cave. Have we ever seen anyone else attaining theirs? I'm just wondering if there is a special place, i.e. that cave, that one has to go to first commune with their soul to get their Zanpakutō. Or is it just impossible for a hollow of any kind to commune with their soul, since their souls are not complete any longer? --Liamxblazeneyes 11:20, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant Kusaka, NOT Sasakibe. I couldn't remember his name, and I thought it was Chōjirō, instead of Sōjirō. Whoops! --Liamxblazeneyes 11:30, December 21, 2009 (UTC)