Forum:Ulquiorra Cifer

due to his second release is he stronger then Starrk, Barragan, and Harribel cause its a little confusingKensei24 23:22, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Since we have no way to directly compare, it's hard to say. We don't have any measure of pure strength alone, and plus, the strength of his abilities depend on how effectively he is able to use them. For example, some might argue that Harribel didn't effectively use her skills, so they may be able to say that in his second release, Ulquiorra was stronger. It just depends. Twocents 23:51, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

I don't know. By his own admission Ulquoirra's "thing" was high speed regeneration. Just like Nnoitra's "thing" was a his Hierro. On the other hand the top three espadas' "thing" were various attack abilities. Harribel's was her water-based attacks, Barragan was his respira and Starrk his energy based attacks (since the wolves were a hybrid of cero and his own soul). So I don't think we can really say Ulquoirra was more powerful when his greatest ability is defensive not offensive. Plus you also have to look at their opponents. On top of everything Ichigo is unstable. To properly judge strength you would have had to get all the espada to fight against the same opponent, one with a stable power-level, not widely fluctuating like Ichigo. For all we know that's how they were ranked! Aizen got them to fight Gin or Tosen and timed how long it took the espada to do sufficient damage to their opponent and that's how he ranked them. Tinni 00:07, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

i believe and this is just speculation that each rank has a certain criteria like the 6th is a fight loving psycho(i love GJ), the 5th would be just plain power hungry, the 2nd is a raving lunatic, the 3rd is a compassionate female even the Privaron Espada the 103rd is a female(she may not be the former 3rd because she does not seem to compassionate), the 4th would be the most loyal, first strong but lonely, and so on and so fourthKensei24 00:37, October 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * No offence but that seems pretty far fetched and highly unlikely. I don't really think that's the kind of criteria Aizen would put together for his espada. I mean, why would he rank someone really powerful no. 6 just because of his personality or not give the position of an espada to someone very powerful just because he doesn't have the personality... that doesn't make sense. I know the aspect of death business does through a wrench in the ranking theories. But Barragan did say that the aspect of death was based on power and personality. Which doesn't really change. No reason to think that Nnoitra was a "glutton" when he was no. 9. I think he was always "despair" just that "despair" once used to be the aspect of death of espada no. 9. Similarly, Nel's aspect of death didn't have to sacrifice, although it is likely that it was, just because she was no. 3. I think people are giving too much importance on their personality. Only aspect of their personality that would have matter to Aizen is killing intent. Which notably Starrk didn't have a lot of. Just goes to show how powerful Starrk would have had to have been for Aizen make him an espada despite the fact he wasn't all that ruthless, certainly compared to the rest of the espada. Tinni 00:47, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

I'm of the personal opinion that Ulquiorra was just the fourth strongest. He said it himself "Even if you were to defeat me, there are still three Espada stronger than me." Why he would be lying I don't know, but he has never lied or given people a reason to doubt his words, so I am with the idea of the top three being the strongest.--Moe1216 01:08, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

but if aizen was "out of the loop" about his second release then why would he admit to "trash" like ichigo and yammy being 0 was probably a big secret so "even if you defeat me there are still 3 more espada stronger then i" would be a lie sorta i think so at leastKensei24 01:52, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think Ulquoirra would have kept Aizen out of the loop about this second stage. He did say "Aizen hasn't SEEN my second stage" not "Aizen doesn't know about my second stage". It might just be that he got is recently and hadn't had time to show Aizen yet. Ulquoirra seemed pretty devoted to Aizen and Aizen was treating him as a deputy. Those two trusted each other as far as trust can exist between Aizen and anyone. I don't think Ulquoirra lied. I just think people got too excited over this second stage business. Tinni 02:00, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

How is ranking established? I've got no clue. Most likely, the higher ranked Espada were created by the Hyogoku as Zommari states that Aaroniero is the last of the original Espada. Higher ranking Espadas are Adjuchas or Vasto Lordes. We can speculate that 7th and 8th are Adjuchas because we know that Grimmjow is an Adjucha. But whether the other Espadas are Vasto Lordes, we don't know. However, we know that Baraggan and Starrk were personally invited to join his crew by Aizen. To continue from what Tinni was saying. I doubt that the aspects of death have anything to do with the rankings. I believe that they already had these qualities before they became Espadas. (As a side note, I really thought that Harribel would have had a kamikaze attack at the end, being the Espada of sacrifice). But that's just me rambling.--Shinitenshi 02:12, October 23, 2009 (UTC)