Talk:Shunsui Kyōraku

Trivia
Did anyone ever notice he greatly resembles Jiraiya from Naruto? They have both been described as flamboyant, they are both one of the oldest characters in the series.They also have the same height and weight,the both have written romance novels,and chase after women in thier free time.Itachisharkak 04:54, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...True,can you post that as Trivia?gohanRULEZ 02:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Wait, when did Kyōraku write a novel? Renji Abarai 04:12, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * He looks nothing like jiraiya. Nothing. Only a few of the woman chasing and stuff. In a fight he'd own Jiraiya. Royally.

Okay, when I said he resembles Jiriya, I did NOT mean in terms of looks. Kyoraku did in fact write a romance novel, I think it's Sun colored rose or something (Check under his personlity section). Also, they are both regarded as three of the strongest characters in the series. And yes, Shunsui would own Jirayia, Royally at that two.Itachisharkak 22:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

In general we try to stay away from any references to other series on the site, there are far to many similarities in literature, anime, and manga in general, especially if you look for them, but if they are not actual stated facts they can't be listed on the trivia section or anywhere else on the profile. The site is for bleach not to represent for any other series, as its more of a opinion then anything else. Salubri 22:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


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Zanpakuto Release Command
Since it's been revealed that Kyoraku and Ukitake can release their zanpakutō by simply stating its name, I added it to the trivia for both characters under them having the longest zanpakutō releases. I have also put it under Master Swordsmanship, since I would think he's trained so long being able to release with just the name would fall under said swordsmanship. Revan46 00:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

or it could be that since both of them have a bankai they can skip the incantation like renji when he fought byakuya

First it needs to be known that this is not trivia. It was removed because if anyone read the zanpakuto page it would be known that anyone with bankai can skip their incantation.Salubri 15:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry guys...it was a late night as you can see and I completely forgot about that...sorry everyone. Revan46 00:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


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"My Kittens Are So Shy"
Some of the Bootleg's translations are implying that Kyōraku published an autobiography under that name, while others cite it as a dialogue line. Can someone take a look at the raw page and figure if we should include it in the "Personality" section? The Seaweed Ambassador 00:15, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Takaoni
The translation of his "Takaoni" technique says that it means "Mountain Demon", but the character for "mountain" doesn't seem to be there. It's a different one that I haven't seen. Can someone explain this to me? LapisScarab 21:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Bushō Koma
"Bushō Koma (Lazy Spinning Top) - (...) In this case a spinning top game." I just have to ask: what is a spinning top game? Geohound 11:37, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

I am not entirely sure how to answer this. Mostly because I don't know what you are asking exactly. Do you want to know what a spinning top is or do you want to know how you can play a game with a spinning top? I'll just answer both. A spinning top is a toy that spins on an axis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top). You can play various different games with them, the one I remember off the top of my head involves trying to knock your opponents spinning top off the playing surface with your own. Hitsugaya was the local undefeated spinning top champion of West Rukongai and in episode 206 you can see Urahara Kisuke playing spinning tops in the sequence where Soifon follows him around to try and gather evidence of his goofing off. Busho Koma is apparently the string that you use to get the top spinning and apparently is a term that also applies to people who do not acted unless pushed to do so. This busho koma bit of the information is second hand, I heard it from someone else, so I am not 100% on it. Anyway, I hope this helps. Tinni 12:08, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thnaks alot! Geohound 21:15, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Power
$$Insert formula here$$ The whole thing about yamamoto saying shunsui power is do to team work isn't correct, just because it says it on onemanga dosn't make it true, especially sense it's translted by fans, the english release by VIZ dosn't say it's do to there team work but there indivigual strength, and say what you about VIZ but the fact is it's a preofessional translation nd not done by fans--Croc117 05:34, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

...and the thing simply mentioning that Shunsui is one of the most powerful swordsmen in Soul Society has already been mentioned. Better to say something else than the same thing twice. Gold3263301 07:24, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

thats not the point, the point is that the wrong translation isbeing used, and somthin els shouldn't be said if it's wrong--Croc117 08:45, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

All manga translations aren't perfect since they are made by imperfect beings. So we can't really say which is right or wrong, since most of us are neither Japanese nor well-versed in the language. In fact, every translation could be wrong (probably not, but could be). But that is how one translation sees it as, and they probably won't change their ways of translating the dialogue. Gold3263301 08:56, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Viz does not do a word for word translation. They do an adaptive translation. By that I mean that they translate the story as a whole and therefore take a LOT more liberties with how they translate dialogue then many fansubbers. The fact that they are "professionals" don't really come into it. While you would expect them to have a deeper knowledge of Japanese language, they are also doing their translation for a target audience/market. They will do what they feel will get the story across best to that audience. As such, they have been known to omit and/or completely alter certain dialogue. So really, unless you are saying that Yamamotto didn't say Ukitake and Kyoraku complement each other in the original Japanese version, there isn't really much to talk about. Because at this point this has boiled down to a discussion about who is better Viz or Manga-rain (all the fansubs of that particular chapter is done by Manga-rain). Manga-rain does have a very high reputation as translators and from what I understand boast translators with indepth knowledge of Japanese (they might even be Japanese, I am not sure). There is no reason to think they are somehow inferior to Viz translators. Tinni 16:42, November 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to add that if the issue here is mainly that Bleach Wiki does not place enough weight on Viz translations then perhaps the best place to discuss this is forum topic Forum:Attitude_toward_official_sources_on_this_wiki devoted to this issue. Tinni 17:08, November 25, 2009 (UTC)