Forum:Zanpakuto Filler arc - General

This topic is for discussing anything related to the current Zanpakuto filler arc in the anime. Keep all discussions here please. Any new topics about this will be deleted and their content added here. Instead, you should add your new topic at the end of this page. --Yyp 13:25, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

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The Return of Kenpachi Zaraki
Knew it would happen sooner or later in the Zanpakto arc but it will be interesting to see, anyone think we will see muramasa try and extract his zanpakto? What do the rest of ya all think will happen with his return now? Shillagan 08:20, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

I think he's gonna go head-on against ByaKuya or other Zanpakto with bankai since he always seeks for the strongest to fight. What's the song in kenpachi's dramatic return in the zanp arc btw?

I agree, I think Kenpachi is just going to come in and wreak havoc. Either he and Byakuya have some plan, thats why he was AWOL or he'll beat everyone senseless just for the sake of it. Muramasa probably wont be able to communicate with his sword cause he doesn't know its name or it just simply doesn't care to listen to Muramasa. Also, with the song - Im not sure if it has been released yet, maybe on the 4th OST along w/ Grimmjow's awesome release music. KamikazeNewf 02:10, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

I think his head was messed with like Captain Kuchiki's. Kuchiki is weak without his sword. Kenpachi can fight captains with his lame sword, so unlike Kuchiki he has not been weakened. I would be scared to fight him in that state. (And his instinct seems to be "kill".) PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 02:46, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

How is Byakuya weak with out his sword? He defeated Renji and his zanpakuto (who knows its bankai) single handied as well as Rukia's Zanpakuto with ease. All he used was flashstep and Kido. I think he is strong on of the stongest captains in SS and thats with out his Zanpakuto. He doesnt have a vast amout of spiritual power like Kenpachi but he is far from weak. Tealang99 13:06, October 29, 2009 (UTC)-

Oh oh I think he'll first fight with the zanpakto of yumichika, why.. cause yumichika kinda seemed to lose to him and because he has a kido-zanpakto who has the ability to drain others reiatsu, what would be more awesome then having a reiatsusucking zanpakto fighting Zaraki Kenpachi with his vast reiatsu.. Gonna be some woopass episode!! -- User:Shinzawai

Well i've noticed something while on this wikia. Out of all the characters in Bleach, most people seem to be more confused about Kenpachi then anyother. At this point i am probably wasting my time trying to explain this next thing to the other users here, but I will. Here u go, u can read this next part if u want(but I doubt anyone will)& u can listen to what I type(which I know nobody will). Its not the Zanpakuto who doesn't try to communicate, its Kenpachi(Or at least it has been in the past). When Ichigo was fighting Kenpachi, Kenpachis zanpakuto was howling(trying to call out to Kenpachi). It was howling so loud that Ichigo & even Zangetsu heard it. As far as the next Ep is concerned it looked to me as he was closest to Kira & Wabisuke. So after hes done completely pummeling Wabisuke he will go to help Yumichika or at least thats my opinion. I actually hope hes gonna tell us where he has been all this time. SQUAD 11 RULES!!!! Minato88 18:03, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Or maybe, just maybe, Muramasa draws the spirit on kenpachis zanpakuto, but is unable to make him join his side because kenpachis zanpakuto has the same thirst for fight as he does. And because of that Kenpachi finally meets his zanpakuto, and maybe even learns something :D Firelake October 29th 21.05 GMT+2

Since the Zanpakuto Unknown Tales arc, he has made a dramatic appearance and I wonder if his Zanpakuto's spirit will be finally revealed. what are your thoughts on this? 月光ヒレ 04:21, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

It definitely won't cause this is filler after all. Ergroilnin 08:15, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

When Kenpachi returned, he seemed to come out from under a building, also, where there is Kenpachi, Yachiru is sure to follow and it has not been confirmed if she does or does not know the name of her Zanpakuto.

Favourite Zanpaukto Spirit
So, we've seen a fair bit of the new filler arc which, in my opinion, is the best one so far, although I liked the Captain Amagai arc as well. My question is, from the Zanpakuto spirits we've seen so far, who are you favorites? For me, I like Hozukimaru and Ruri'iro Kujaku, which isn't surprising because Ikkaku and Yumichika are two of my favorite characters.

So, which spirit do you like?

Mine favourites are Hyourinmaru, Hisagis Zanpakuto (I can't remember it's name) and Zangetsu. Ergroilnin 19:58, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

I really like Senbonzakura, Tobiume, Ashisoji Jizo, Sougyo no Kotowari and Ruro-iro Kujakku. These all have great designs, personalities & scenes. I dislike Haineko, Hozikimaru, Sode no Shirayuki, Kazeshini (that guy got old quite quickly for me). I'm indifferent to the rest of them at the moment. A few of them have had no screen time yet though, so that's not a knock on those ones. --Yyp 20:18, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

I liked Senbonzakura, Tobiume, and Hyorinmaru when he finally began to show some personality. I can actually understand his desire to search for his identity, and I found it interesting that he was the only Zanpakuto to lose his memory. The only spirit that bugs me is Zabimaru, and it's only because the gender change of the baboon was never explained. I mean, people assume it's that omake, but Renji didn't recognize her at first. Arrancar109 04:54, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

I like Hyorinmaru. I especially like his little bit in the Omake at the end of episode 241. He had such a deadpan expression on his face but he was so playing a joke on Isane! Plus that ice sculpture he made of himself kneeling besides Hitusgaya was just cute! He's like a puppy! A dragon puppy! I want a dragon puppy! I am with Arrancar109 on Zabimaru. That is bugging the hell out of me. I am also not found of what they did with Haineko and Tabiume. Tinni 05:09, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, my fav is Senbonzakura. To me he just doesn't act so high & mighty, always talking down to everyone like Byakuya does. Minato88 05:30, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Sode no Shirayuki all the way, I hope she is like this or better when she apperas on the manga eventuallyDaigo623 20:51, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

My favorite is Senbonzakura. I find it amusing that such a controlled individual has a Zanpakuto who's kind of emotional. I also like Hyorinmaru and Rurio'Kujaku. I dislike Zabimaru; they're a really strange, really annoying pair. I also find the dynamics between Haineko and Tobiume annoying and their interactions drag on for far too long. While Haineko does seem to fit her master's personality, Tobiume doesn't, and I just don't know what they were thinking when they designed her. I want to see more of Ukitake's Zanpakuto. They look like they could be interesting. Twocents 21:01, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

My favorite Zanpaktou is Ruri-iro Kujaku 22neji 22:03, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

I definitely think that Hyōrinmaru is probably the coolest one we have seen in combat so far, and showing off his abilities. I think that Kazeshini is still one of the coolest and would love to see it get more powerful, or at least have Hisagi use it more often.(and in the new filler arc i love watching it battle). I would LOVE to see more of Shunsui's Zanpaktou Katen Kyōkotsu because Shunsui is THE BEST character in Bleach, and already seeing some of the power of this Zanpaktou in the Manga i would LOVE to see where the Zanpaktou has been since getting rid of the Captain Commander with the other most powerful Zanpaktou, "Ukitake's and Unohana's" (Minazuki, and Sōgyo no Kotowari). Also would love to see how she and the other 2 most powerful ones fight. And what powers they truely have =).Bk1217 21:14, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

My favorite so far is Kazeshini, maybe because he reminds me of hollow ichigo and the fact that he ahs so much power and true craziness compared to shuhei. Neji sharigan 08:14, October 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Sode no shirayuki! She looks and fights way better than Rukia who iirc was ranked 2nd in popularity?!? (wtf). Too bad Byakuya had to demolish her. --&#91;&#91;User:Qwertyasdf&#124;(QQ)&lt;sup&gt;∞&lt;/sup&gt;wertyasdf&#93;&#93; 14:05, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

My favorites are definetly Hyōrinmaru, but I also like Ashisogi Jizō, Kazeshini, Senbonzakura, Suzumebachi and Sode no Shirayuki. Bereisgreat 14:16, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

My favourite is definitely Hyourinmaru. I love how he always has a straight face, even when he's playing a joke, or those around him are being immature and such. And I love the story behind him, of how he lost his memory, and his dedication to his master. I also like Senbonzakura (I really wish I could see what's under the mask) and Sode no Shirayuki. Ashisogi Jizo is adorable in a creepy way. Zabimaru, I used to dislike quite a lot, though now, I've gotten a little more used to them. Haineko gets on my nerves, and I wished they'd done a better job with Tobiume. I think the very first time she appeared, when she was welcoming Muramasa back, that was more like her personality, not that there was much shown. But she was more shy and sweet, like Hinamori. Still, I have to admit she is also a favourite. My other favourite is Sogyo no Kotowari. I think that's it for now.KnowledgeandImagination 07:11, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Sogyo No Kotowari, Hyorinmaru, Zangetsu and Minazuki the first one because he's Jushiro Ukitake's zanpakuto, Hyorimaru due to his calm yet incredible power when he's using it, Zangetsu due to his wisdom and Minazuki because it would be interesting.--SalmanH 18:07, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

My favorite would be Zangetsu, Zabimaru, Tengen (the spirit can breathe fire!), Haineko (hot werecat), Kazeshine, Houzukimaru (lazy bum), Hyorinmaru, Ashisogi Jizou (he cant even talk makes some clicking noises), and Senbonzakura (boo!). Jonathan Smith

Is Sode no Shirayuki dead?
Muramasa said that Sode no Shirayuki is killed and Rukia will die too, but Rukia is still alive, does that means that she still has a little chance of staying alive?

No, what he said was that without a zanpakuto a shinigami is as good as dead. What he meant was that Rukia being a shinigami who does rely somewhat heavily on her zanpakuto during battles would surely die in combat because she no longer has a zanpakuto. It's a general statement about the dependency of a Shinigami on their zanpakuto. Rukia is not about to drop dead. Tinni 14:46, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Nor is it possible for Sode no Sharayuki to really die, since we know Rukia still has a working Zanpakuto in the present manga, which is after the events of the unknown tales arc. --Weedefinition 15:09, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

It's not that it's after the events of Unknown Tales. This is filler that has nothing to do with the manga's timeline. --Shinitenshi 16:49, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

I would say no for a couple of reason's. 1 being that this is filler nothing is permanent and the characters dont progress in the main manga story-line. 2 It's highly unlikely the type of things that Byakuya is currently doing his whole existence surrounds his pride as a noble of soul society, following the laws, and protecting Rukia the only connection to his deceased wife. 3 I doubt he knowingly killed her zanpakuto. That just doesn't sit right, 4 nor does it make sense that Muramasa would kill one of his own to secure the supposed loyalty of a shinigami. 5 Senbonzakura doesn't seem like he is so against Byakuya he acts the part but idk or at least Byakuya is keeping a closer eye on things. 6 Muramasa says at her defeat she is as good as dead but how does he know its not the same issue with renji and ichigo, didn't muramasa stop sensing them at their defeat as well. 7 doesn't defeat mean winning the sword back one way or another, knocking them back into their right mind. 8 Why would Senbonzakura give Rukia the sword back 9 Broken or not we all know zanpakuto heal and Rukia's even has an ability that allows it to so it can keep fighting. This in itself has some deeper meaning we will see later on in the story here but by no means is this permeant. Zanpakuto are part of the owners soul they live and die with the owner, Rukia is still very much alive so its safe to assume the same of his zanpakuto even in this situation.Salubri 18:06, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

(i believe she will use the third dance to regenerate like when rukia used it against the 9th espada)RayJr

I think that maybe this was all one big plan by Senbonzakura and Byakuya. Senbonzakura had byakuya "kill" ice-sword-lady and then returns her to rukia for her to use. When the fat soul died, he didn't turn back into a sword like she did. It would be a pretty clever way to get a man on the inside, and another out from the enemy's gasp.

I agree with Salubri. Also one other thing, I think that Sode no Shirayuki had already submitted back to Rukia during their fight but was taking back to the cave where she was kept. Making Sode no Shirayuki contemplating on what to do. But if Sode no Shirayuki was to confront Rukia again i think she would have completely submitted back to Rukia so maybe this is just Rukia getting her back. Quadrupus 21:08, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

i think Sode no Shirayuki has been sealed. most likely when muramasa is defeated all the spirits will return to normal.even the broken ones. rukia would have felt something if her sword was really destroyed. Darkgoku 00:45, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

(points at the scene where Rukia is given Sode no Shirayuki and she can't feel her Zanpakutō's presense) Gold3263301 22:53, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo in Zanpaktou arc
One thing i realized when watching the Arc, Ichigo is the ONLY shinigami to retain his Shikai after Muramasa came into contact with him. All of the other shinigami who had their Zanpaktou "freed" didn't get their Shikai form back until either they found the energy in themselves to realize they had it all along, or they had to defeat their zanpaktou.

It also makes me wonder what would happen if Muramasa tried to "free" Kenpachi's zanpaktou, since it technically doesn't even have a name, let alone a materialization. These two zanpaktou are the only ones that have constant shikai forms.

and like i said, Ichigo retained his shikai after being released by Muramasa. Bk1217 08:16, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

I think that because of this problem with Kenpachi's Zanpaktou, they had to finally throw him into the arc late, so that Muramasa won't even be around to try to "set his zanpaktou free"

Kenpachi's Zanpakuto does have a name - Zaraki just doesn't know what it is. And if the lieutenants that do not have Bankai can have their Zanpakuto spirits materialized by Muramasa, then there is nothing stopping him from doing the same to Kenpachi. About the reason that Zaraki was not in the early part of the story, that's more than likely the case. Rather than drawing attention to a potential problem with the whole concept of the arc, by doing this they neatly avoid the issue. Yyp 11:37, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Exactly, and i meant that noone, including Kenpachi, knows the name or even relates to his Zanpaktou. However, we aren't going to learn anything about his actual Zanpaktou in this arc, sadly, because when going into Hueco Mundo, Kenpachi has no idea what his sword's name is.

my main reason for this post is to add facts to Ichigo's page, like i said, so far his is the only Zanpaktou that keeps the shikai form after Muramasa released it. Also, i made a seperate post stating that Ichigo is the only one to defeat 2 espadas. However Kenpachi and Byakuya are probably gonna make Yammy their second.Bk1217 11:52, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

I think that Kenpachi Zanpakuto will stay in shikai and Muramasa will not be able to communicate to his zanpakuto because of his spiritual pressure and him not knowing it in the first place. Every one who zanpakuto who got released all had a decent relationship with their sword. If you think about it if all zanpakuto could hear Muramasa then even the lower class shinigami should have had their zanpakuto spirits released as well. So in order to introduce Kenpachi to the Arc without reveiling his zanpakuto Muramasa wont be able to materialize it i thinkTealang99 16:11, October 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ichigo got his speed back kinda. I still remember when he could make copies of himself (vs. Byakuya). He's just gone to crap (even with his mask he never got that speed back). So the filler atm is nostalgic lol.

Ichigo's Zanpakuto in new arc
I don't quite get this: if Zangetsu is gone from his Zanpakuto, shouldn't he not be able to use Shikai? I understand that he has a constant-release type Zanpakuto, but if he has nothing to release, then shouldn't it just appear as a normal katana, like with Rukia and the others? Why does it appear in its normal Shikai form, then? Twocents 05:11, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

It a bit of a tricky question, i think it comes down to since his Zanpakuto is a constant release type, it no longer has a sealed form to return to, hence to name constant release, thus it will never revert to being a the huge katana sword.AuronValentine 05:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

When Zangetsu was removed from Ichigo he leave Hollow Ichigo. And we all know what weapon the latter used when fight with Ichigo during Vizard training. So I think this is the reason why Ichigo still have his soul-cutter in shikai form. Also when he was fighting with capt of 3 division (not Gin but those from another filler) he have sealed his shinigami power and so Zangetsu should revert to sealed version. Then it was explained that he maintain all his power by using his Hollow. Maybe I'm wrong but now is somethink similar. He maintain his shikai form because of Hichigo and 'probably' could use bankai (If not him Hichigo could use when again gain control for some time)--Kazuki Senzo Miyakami 06:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Missing the point entirely. Zangetsu has no sealed version. The entire time from the first instance of it appearing it has been in constant release mode. So regardless of this situation zangetsu is still gonna be the same constant release version it has always been except it will not be able to use any of its abilities its a large sword is all. Also in the Amagai arc he is unable to use his zanpakuto' abilities again but do to him being a vizard he called on the other half of his spiritual energy (the hollow half) which allowed him to still use its abilities as the bakkuto only worked on shinigami powers. So back to the point it has no sealed form to return to, as when ichgio first became a shingami he wasnt using his own powers the enlarged version of a katana that he had was useless compared to a actual zanpakuto and was a result of him taking Rukia's powers. The size and shape of zangetsu is a result of has vast spiritual power which causes it to have been in constant release regardless of whether he can use its abilities or not thats the form it is initially.Salubri 08:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

YA SEE!!!! Salubri knows what i was getting at, constant release = no sealed versionAuronValentine 09:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

He haven't? Before he lose his shinigami powers his soul-cutter was looking like normal owersized sealed wersion which almost every shinigami have. Of course it was missing almost all blade part. And what he hold when regain his powers? The same handle, hilt and part of blade until he said name Zangentsu and pufff... we have shinkai form. So sorry AuronValentine but saying: constant release = no sealed version is wrong. EVERY Zanpakuto have sealed form but some after first use of shikai form never reverts to it. And also their said taht beacuse use have huge amount of spiritual energii and don't know how to control it. Which knowing Ichigo he wouldn't never learn how to control his. For end I'll only add that all we talk about is happening in filler so until somethink like that happen in mange we can argue to no end here about it.--Kazuki Senzo Miyakami 11:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

As shown in the recent episodes you are wrong also, this shows what you know of zanpakuto as i stated before from first generating his zanpakuto it was already in constant release there was no command phrase used, so constant release does in fact equal no sealed form just as zaraki pointed out about his own zanpakuto, the point of calling it constant release is that it was never in sealed form to begin with. Im not sure where your getting your information but its not correct at all. Also if you have read what was stated before the zanpakuto he originally had was because of rukias power not his own and it was shown to have bloated up into the shape of a sword but had no power behind it. That vast energy he has is what causes the constant release but that wont change anymore then his sword will, filler or manga on both accounts do not back up your points.Salubri 16:51, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, the reason behind Ichigo being able to keep his Zanpakuto in his Shikai is because he still has the hollow spirit within him. Like Ichigo himself, his inner hollow uses Zangetsu in battle(despite the opposite color scheme), the inner hollow was born of Ichigo in the same way as Zangetsu, molded from Zangetsu himself, and he even once commented on how he is Zangetsu when he was in control.

I agree with the constant release. If you remeber that when Ichigo became a shinigami it says that Rukia gave her power to him, though he took to much, and thats why she was going to be executed. It was illegal for her to give her power to Ichigo. And the reason the zanpakuto was so large was because of his spiritual pressure it was not because that was his unreleased zanpakuto. He did receivce his zanpakuto until the training from Urahara. Tealang99 18:16, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Read this bit fully please do not skim through it. Actually both Salubri and Kazuki have correct points now in-order to prevent anyone from misunderstanding: '''Hollow Ichigo was born when Ichigo regained his shinigami powers therefore he also became part of Ichigo the same goes for Zangetsu now he received Bankai and Shikai at the same time, and we know that he can only use the shinigami abilities while inside Ichigo and since he is a part of Ichigo yet also a completely separate part from Zangetsu as well as having his own power POSSIBLY allows him to maintain Shikai. YOU CANNOT ACHIEVE BANKAI WITHOUT SHIKAI, THIS IS CLEARLY STATED DUE TO THEIR VAST SPIRITUAL ENERGY BOTH ZARAKI AND ICHIGO HAVE CONSTANT RELEASE TYPES, ICHIGO WAS ONLY USING RUKIA'S POWER IT WAS NOT UNTIL HE RELEASED IT DID ICHIGO TRULY USE HIS OWN POWER THAT ALSO MAKES IT HOLLOW ICHIGO'S POWER FROM WITHIN DUE TO HIM BEING "BORN" AT THE SAME TIME AS ICHIGO. I apologise for typing all of those letters in capital it was just to get my point across, also the hollow ichigo part is a theory due to there not being any evidence of it in the manga even though it is quite good also since we haven't seen how it's affected Zaraki YET remember the Yet, so the theory could be correct but for now we refer to the manga until further evidence presents itself.--SalmanH 06:27, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Now its not likely to affect zaraki at all seeing as he is not apart of this situation as from jump they have made sure he is out of the equation. Matter of fact if you notice those characters who have yet unnamed and unknown zanpakuto have no spirits, Nanao, Iba, Isane, zaraki, yachiru, nemu, are not featured at as with their zanpkauto spirits being affected even though in the first episode isane comments that hers hasnt been working though we haven't seen it. I think its safe to say he wont play a role cause Kubo has already stated he wanted to do something with zaraki and it has to be done in manga for it to count not anime filler. Even if if he was featured it wouldnt matter he basically uses his zanpakuto as a simple sword anyhow seeing as he dosent speak with the spirit at all to even know its name. Salubri 06:59, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps, but Kubo could bring him because the situation fits perfectly, the manga kind of sucks compared to the anime and in this arc it's about the Zanapkutos why not bring Zaraki's into it it makes sense and we can't really call it filler since he is helping with the story he said he wanted to delve more into Zaraki what better time to do so seriously where would it fit in the manga now let's say that should he and the others fight yammy and by some turn of events his zanpakuto finally reaches him how much longer do you think that wait is, and as far as Kubo may be concerned this arc is as much relevant to the Bleach story as the manga.--SalmanH 08:40, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

I agreee with Salman. This Arc gives the Zanpakuto a indenty instead just being a weapon that shinigami uses. They must have an understand in order to reach their full potential, and that goes for both shinigami and zanpakuto. In this Arc it is showing how the Zanpakuto can not really go with out their shinigami and vice versa. They need each other. Thats why its time for Kenpachi to meet his zanpakuto so he can continue to get stonger which is his main goal anyway. We seen that brute force will only get him so far. I feel that there will be a fight for Kenpachi that his spiritual pressure alone will not be enough, in which he will finally start to listen to his zanpakuto and learn its name. Tealang99 13:28, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

whoa salman im disappointed did you just say the work that kubo creates on his own sucks, hachi vs. barragan sucks the driving force material behind the anime and the entire storyline itself wow. A filler is a filler when it removes itself form the storyline to do some side story regardless of kubo supposed hand in it. The point of the difference between manga and anime, its doubtful to happen it has to take place in manga or its not canon Kubo didnt write nor draw it from his own hand regardless of him signing off on something its not his work its like someone else doing a remake or re-imagining of a movie and the original creator is like ok. Also why i enjoy the concept cause the vast majority wont be focused on in manga its not true of the important ones. zangetsu, zabimaru and hyorimarua have been featured before. They are in war right now this zanpakuto stuff is not as important as the fate of the world. if the issue is a lack of patience it took issue with the lack of respect for the creator or his very story like without him there would be nothing and yet the anime done by others is better then what he does thats messed up. Plus all that about zanpakuto was knows about them being connected with the shinigami it just wasnt brought up all this arc does is provide sappy dialogue about a shinigami's feelings about their partner/weapon. I personally never questioned whether they needed each other or whether without them they would be nothing thats obvious. Zaraki cannot meet his zanpakuto in this it wont count the manga will go on and the next time we see zaraki he wont have advanced at all. Its amagai all over again they get a new captain and because its filler he ends up the bad guy and commits suicide it was obvious from the beginning that he wasnt gonna be around and his interaction didnt count. Same with the bounts. That theory doesnt make sense zaraki has defeated every enemy with brute force tosen with bankai and a released nnorita. all without his zanpakutos true power, granted he needs to communicate with it to get stronger but he has been doing just fine without it so far. Also considering that the prime reason for this arc is that their zanpakuto turn on them his zanpakuto would hate him for the neglect all that time not only that he wouldnt know it or recognize its spirit true form nor will it help him, they have yet found a way to even fix this situation just yet.Salubri 14:22, September 3, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY, I'm sorry i tried to add a bit of fun to this argument you know no hard feelings but you didn't understand what i actually meant, the manga sucks compared to the anime doesn't mean the story made by kubo sucks, what I was referring to was the obvious that would be the graphics, animation detail etc. Why would i even be on here if i thought that the story Kubo made sucks that wouldn't make sense.--SalmanH 15:44, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Zanpakuto Arc timeframe
i think this arc has to happen right before Ichigo's vizard training or Ichigo would have used his vizard mask. what do you think? Darkgoku 09:07, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. Momo is shown to be well, yet when she reappears in FKT, she's still far from combat fit (like she's only just been discharged). She's probably still comatose at the Vizard training parts. I severely doubt this story is actually meant to be part of the established continuity. TomServo101 10:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion that it's after the Vizard training, but the lack of Zangetsu is letting his hollow go more free than usual. Or something like that. It's not exactly clear. ZeroSD 12:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

After the latest episode it appears that this takes place after their invasion of hueco mundo and the big fight because in renki's flash back you see him fighting the mad scientist arrancar, sayzal (sp) forgot his name. anyways either that or it is an error on their part because then that means ukitake comes out the whole incident better, but again it is filler.

We're looking at filler, it's hard to place. Might I remind you of the Amagai arc that started mid-Hueco Mundo, and it didn't much explain. Once again, it's filler and meant to use up time for Kubo to add more to the manga. One eye 14:52, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

I think we saw evidence that the Amagai arc was after the Arrancar Saga. We were actually told that at the beginning. As for this arc, it should be after the Amagai arc, since Momo was almost healthy (before getting smack-downed).


 * Unrelated note: Wasn't it weird that 3rd Squad got a new captain in the Amagai arc? 5th squad was missing its captain and lieutenant. It was crying out for leadership. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 00:52, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Its always an issue where the filler material fits into the anime since it wasn't originally part of the manga; this is the case for many anime series not just Bleach. The filler material is a method of buying time for the author to come up with new material since they've animated the manga until that point.Spacedone 00:38, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure it takes place after the vizard training for sure because in the new episode, Ichigo's hollow told him he can't use this mask, so he already has it. Also, It's likely after the Arrancar battles, because of renji's flashback. But since it's a filler, it doesn't exactly exist clearly on any time frame, I suppose. KnowledgeandImagination 04:12, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

In the last episode of the new filler anime (236)Renji has a flash back to when he was fighting Espada SAG (8th). Well that now sets this new filler after the manga, if it's suppose to be connected to the manga (which i think Kibo said it was). So now it's not accurate or all of the characters we have seen in the anime will survive (this is good news for the 13th chapter, but maybe not the vizard). what do you think?

I thought exactly the same thing. That's why I believe it's not canon, as it'd 'lock' the fates of 75% of the characters in the series (ie they all HAVE to survive FKT, and Soifon would have to regrow an arm. Not impossible, mind...), and I've pointed out before it can't be set in the past (Momo's health). TomServo101 22:31, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Please note its filler and notthe manga therefore not canon.It confirms nothing.Saimaroimaru 06:12, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

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