Forum:Demotions

This is just something that occured to me, and I was curious what you all thought. Do you suppose there been any demotions within the Gotei 13? I'm not referencing when people "retire" and mysteriously disappear to the Maggot's Nest, but more like being permitted to stay within the Gotei 13, except as a 6th seat instead of a 3rd (for a random, illustrative example). It's not uncommon in real life, at least in a non-military setting, as I have limited knowledge of militaries' workings, but I thought that perhaps such an act would be considered disgraceful or impermissable among the Gotei 13. Twocents 06:20, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe it's ever been mentioned. But we know how strict Gotei 13 can be on rules and regulations; it's a bit of a fine line (or rather 2) between reprimand, demotion (if it's even possible), and then imprisonment/execution. TomServo101 08:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure open demotions are very easy. It seems for the higher ranks they can't easily demote someone. Take Mashiro and Kensei. I think its safe to say that Kensei despised having Mashiro as a lieutenant but he seemed resigned to keeping her anyway. Oh well...the Shinigami aren't meant to be exactly like a real military organization anyway. The way they do things is ruled by the laws of drama and comedy not military efficiency.

Great Cthulhu 01:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Haha, good point. I frequently wondered, since captains can choose their lieutenants and vice versa, why Kensei chose her, or if she was the lieutenant before he became captain, why he didn't select an alternate pick. Twocents 06:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Then there is the example of Urahara and Hiyori. Hiyori wasn't just insubordinate to Urahara but was openly revolting against his command. I'm sure Urahara could of had her dismissed with cause (or however the Shinigami do it). He finally managed to win her grudging cooperation though. I suspect that Urahara's visit to the Detention Center had a two-pronged purpose...both to show Hiyori that he had big plans and needed her help and also as a subtle hint that those who don't find their place in the Shinigami get put away. I don't think it was a warning but a show of concern about consequences if Hiyori didn't accept the way things are.

LOL...I could also be reading too much into that scene but I think its an interesting unspoken subtext. Great Cthulhu 08:56, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I hadn't considered that, but yeah, I can definitely see that. Since it's not like she was actually needed there for him to recruit Mayuri. And Urahara is certainly clever enough to do something sneaky like that. Twocents 11:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)