Talk:Luders Friegen

Is he really an Arrancar?
After starting the discussion in Discord I feel like this needs to be reassessed. I know this was discussed a decade ago but there really wasn't any solid proof of Luders being an Arrancar, and the more I think about it the less likely it seems. Reasons being:


 * 1) No clear mask fragments, unlike Ebern. The closest would be the piercings, but they look more silver in color than white.
 * 2) Why would Yhwach give a random Arrancar the important task of declaring war, or scouting the area beforehand? Ebern being sent to test Ichigo makes sense because he's more expendable, but Luders leading something so important wouldn't make sense unless he was a Quincy himself.
 * 3) You could make the argument of "Asguiaro" sounding Spanish, while Luders' name clearly has German influence. The latter has far more in common with Quincy motifs. Sure, there are some Arrancar here and there with non-Spanish names, but never one that was so explicitly German-sounding.
 * 4) The main point for him being an Arrancar was the statement about whether it was okay to readily dispose of them. The thing is, this was after Ebern was executed, and might not have referred to Luders at all.
 * 5) Yhwach has killed many a Quincy soldier before. He killed Luders for insinuating he was a prophet, not for being an Arrancar.
 * 6) Him being so smug towards Ebern might have been basic contempt for Arrancar, rather than prior familiarity.

Honestly, looking at it there's a lot more suggesting that he's not an Arrancar, but rather just another Quincy soldier.


 * Having gone back and looking at the original discussion... yeah there's not a lot there. And the only actual argument in favor of "he is one" seems to be from... well, y'know. It may be worth revisiting this topic.


 * Yeah, in light of both the original discussion being kinda weak on the side of him being an Arrancar and this new episode bringing back the debate, I realize it's more a matter of inference than stated fact - and that inference leans toward him being a Quincy far more than it does him being an Arrancar for the above reasons. Who knows, Kubo might come out on Klub (or, heaven forbid, an eventual 4th databook) and clarify he's one or the other, but if we have to assume based on logic until then, Quincy makes a lot more sense now.--Xilinoc (talk) 06:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I remember there being some doubt even back then, but I didn't realize the original discussion was so open and shut. Definitely in favor of him being reclassified as a Quincy unless something tells us otherwise. Mohrpheus   (Talk)  15:31, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers, all. I've gone ahead and changed everything to accommodate this, templates included. If anything ever comes out to alter this, we can change it back accordingly, but for now this seems the most likely.

Official English Name?
The subtitles for the Thousand-Year Blood War anime call him "Ludaas Friegen". Should that be noted somewhere on his profile? Ascha&#39;Vovina (talk) 23:26, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That's Viz's rendition of his name, much like "Tia Halibel". It can go in trivia.--Xilinoc (talk) 06:45, 26 October 2022 (UTC)