Forum:Isshin Kurosaki Royal Guard or 11th Division ? (Thread closed)

I heard this from several people as a rumor, but I think it deserves discussion anyway. I heard that Isshin may have been a former royal guard, which, besides Yamamoto, only the most powerful shinigami may be a part of. Do any of you think its possable?--CloudHiro 05:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Has anyone ever had the theory that maybe he was the former Captain of the 11th squad? This would explain why the 11th squad captain was never shown in Turn Back the Pendulum series. Yes Shinji said he didn't recognize the spirit energy but maybe that's because he had lost most of it. This could also fall into line that Kenpachi Zaraki killed Isshin to become the new captain. But Isshin never dies and is brought to the real world. Hence Isshin losing his powers. This would explain why he knows Urahara because they were both captains at the same time. This would also explain why most of the older captains go out of their way to help Ichigo. Like Ukitake and Kyōraku. Even Kenpachi himself.

Also notice the similarity in Kenpachis haori with Isshins. They are both frayed at the bottom.

I think he was Captain of the 10th before Hitsugaya. Hitsugaya couldn't be a captain for a long time cause he's a child, However, he might be captain of the 11th as well, because Kenpachi is no murderer and has always shown mercy with his oppononents and has only killed them when they don't accept that it is over like nnoitra. However, he still has his haori and thats the point. Kenpachi has taken his haori from the previous captain so if isshin was from the 11th he wouldn't have his haori.--Suzumushi 10:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

its actualy well established that Kenpatchi killed the previous 11th captain, because it is stated that there are only 2 ways a shinigami can become a part ofthe gotei 13, ether by acheveing bankai, or by killing the previous captain with a certain amount of shinigami present. Also, though it may be a filler arc, it is pretty much blatently said that Kempatchi killed the previous captain, and even though its a filler arc, it still carries some weight on the series. If Isshin was the 11'th squad captain, he was most likely removed from this position and replaced by the captain that was killed by Kenpatchi. but then again, its more likely that he was the captain of the 10th squad, and perhaps a kings guard after that, since he only gave up/lost his shinigami powers 20 years prior to the start of the series, which is consistant to when Hitsugaya became captain --CloudHiro 11:13, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes the 10th Division argument tends to carry more weight. The 11th Division is stated more then once in the series to have had the previous Captain before Zaraki killed by him. While yes the flash back is only seen in the bount arc it is pretty much confirmed in Turn back the pendulum arc in conversation. As for isshin he was only gone from soul society for the past 20 yrs, which plays toward the 10 division position. Salubri 12:22, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

speaking of which, if he was the former 10th devision captain, what do you think will happen now since it apears that Hitsugaya is being beaten, above a fake version of what and where used to be Karakura Town? I doupt he would have been put to sleep as well and Im shure he is aware of the situation. do you think he'll come to the captain's aid? this is just idle speculation on my part. pay no mind to it. --CloudHiro 20:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Nah i dont think he'll get involved he obviously left for a reason and to be honest we really dont know whats gonna happen with hitsuguya, though its interesting to see that Halibel may or may not have some type of original form after her release that deals with water, really how well is that gonna go with someone who has power over ice. we'll just have to see. Salubri 00:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

--CloudHiro 03:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The Eleventh Division is discarded when we consider that Kenpachi carried the previous captain's haori with him, while Isshin still has his. The Seaweed Ambassador 00:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)