Forum:Isshin Kurosaki

This is an official thread dedicated to Isshin Kurosaki. Please keep all discussion related to him here. There are a couple of existing topics about him that have been run their course and are now closed. Below you will find links to them. If you wish to continue any of those discussions, do so here, not in the old threads. Also, feel free to start new discussions, but remember to keep the Bleach Wiki:Speculation Policy in mind. -- Yyp (Talk) 09:48, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Ichigo and his father
ok i am new to all of this my bother got me into this now tell me Ichigo father is a shinigami right now when is he going or anybody finds out the he Ichigo father when will that come into play i know that only a handful of people nows but when will Ichigo find out

That is a big question. Unfortunately no one knows the answer. so far only Urahara, Ryukan and Kon seem to know that he is a Shinigami. Time runs longer for us a readers then it does in the story. Only about 8 months have gone by in the story will about 8 years have passed in real life. So it has been some time since we found out but not that long in the story. Salubri (Talk)  07:08, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Now that Isshin and Ichigo are fighting Aizen and Gin respectively. I do have one question. Has Isshin ever seen kyoka suigetsu being released ? Because if yes, then i don't think Isshin has any chance of defeating Aizen, now that he has revealed the hogyokou embedded within him. If not, Isshin, given the fact that he is at captain level, along with ichigo could very well take Aizen down. Kishen1912 14:22, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

No one mentioned this, but in the last chapter of BLEACH, Isshin attacked Aizen and the attack he used was Getsuga Tensho. Does anybody find that cool and also intriguing? Ichigo's zanpakuto has the same attack as Isshin or vice versa. I think that says something about the strong bond between father and son. Although, i am surprised that Isshin's zanpakuto isnt the same size as ichigo's but then again, Ichigo was always in his shikai because of his lack of control of his spiritual pressure. so nevermind my last comment. As I was saying, in some weird twisted way, Zangetsu is the bond between Ichigo and Isshin. I mean, Zangetsu is an old man and kind of like Ichigo's guide or mentor in a way that Isshin sometimes lack. Hm, so then how is Isshin's Zangetsu. . . a hot headed teenager? I guess my point of my rant is to think about the bond they share and to understand that this bond is so strong and transcended into a physical zanpakuto. Mimi-soutaicho125 02:15, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

WAIT! Ichigo's shikai is that big zanpakuto he had at the start of the series. It is strange that Isshin's shikai isnt the same size or Ichigo's smaller. They are both captain levels. I just wanted to clear up that misunderstanding. If i didnt i can come back. Mimi-soutaicho125 02:28, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Theory on Isshin's relatives.
I think Isshin is a former member of the Shiba family and somehow lead to the fall of the Shiba house in Soul Society.

Pretty farflung theory but I thought I'd throw it out there...Sata1991 00:38, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

To be a theory it has to be based on something. How do you figure that is a former member of the shiba family. Salubri (Talk)  00:55, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ichigo looks like Kaien, the Shiba family fell from nobility (possibly because Isshin fell in love with Ichigo's mother and left for the human world) Like I said I'm not positive, but it makes sense to me Sata1991 15:13, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Here's the issue. 1.) The Shiba family fell from nobility long ago when Kaien and his sister were still young. Where as Isshin has only been in the human world as a human for the past 20 years. Thus they lost their status anywhere before 110 years ago (when kaien became a lt.) to 9 years after. 2.) Other people make a connection that Ichigo looks like kaien (Ukitake, Rukia, Byakuya) but his own siblings Kukaku and Ganju have never remotely said anything along those lines. Salubri (Talk)  18:00, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ah thanks, I thought they lost it more recently than that.Sata1991 17:56, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Isshin's Zanpakuto
Ive noticed that isshin zanpakuto looks just like ichigos unreleased zanpakutoSasuke exiled 02:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

I was just wondering whether anyone else noticed that Isshin's Zanpakuto has the same shape tsuba as Aizen's Zanpakuto. 120324 19:57, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

I've noticed that, as well. I dont think it holds any significance due to the fact numerous Zanpaks have similar tsubas. ToneyB78 18:35, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

The last time i said this the topic got booted out as crack theory... :D Kishen1912 06:10, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

well if everyone was reading the latest manga, isshin uses getsuga tensho. What is everyones opinion on this? Im kind of confused but maybe zangetsu is isshins zanpakto.

i think isshin's zanpakuto is zangetsu as well, think about it ichigo is a substitute soul reaper and there are some things we still don't know about them so i could be that since ichigo isn't a true soul reaper he's just using a copied version of his fathers zanpakuto. i just hope that if that is the case that when isshin does release his that it will have a few differences and not be an exact copy.Soul reaper magnum 06:39, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, we've seen in Diamond Dust Rebellion (though it isn't canon) that a Zanpakuto can have two masters if they have twin souls. This could be Kubo making that theory canon, or he could just be having Isshin use similar techniques to Ichigo. Who knows? I personally am counting on it being Zangetsu at the moment. ~ NOTASTAFF Ryun Uchiha (Ten Tailed Fox, Getsueikirite-taichou) (talk) 06:19, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Through further observation on the Isshin's Zanpakuto and Ichigo's Zanpakuto (in its original, non-released form as seen back in the very start of the show), the hilts are exactly the same. They both have the same design, tassels (if that's what you want to call them) and guard are all exactly alike. Of course the only difference is that whenever Ichigo first gained his powers, the sword much much larger. So it would not be completely farfetched to assume that he does in fact possess Zangetsu as well and that Ichigo inherited this ability somehow, which makes me wonder if the Shikai release would be like Zangetsu's or more advanced (not to mention the Bankai...;>_> it would be weird seeing Isshin all Ichigo'd out with the cloak and everything). TVthePunisher 08:44, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Nice observations... however there has to be more to it that kubo will reveal in upcoming chapters Kishen1912 09:04, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but the guard on Ichigo's original zanpakuto does not look like Isshin's - it is a different shape and design. Compare to. Yyp (Talk) 11:50, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry although I wanted to clear the air here, if you look at Isshin's zanpakuto it doesn't show any changes in pattern or guard, no tassels, chains or anything else, so this means they are covered up, probably on purpose to add suspense this means that if you believe that it's sealed it's speculation (I personally hate that term) otherwise that same logic would have applied to Urahara when he used the binding and destruction techniques with his zanpakuto, right.-- SalmanH  (Talk)  09:13, May 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * At this current time it may or may not be sealed, whenever I was stating the similarities I was referring to the times we have seen it while it was still sealed. Noting the picture of him using the move, while readying the attack and releasing it...you can still see the guard visible. This isn't to say that if his sword is definiately an original Zangetsu, that its Shikai would be the same as Ichigo's form. In fact, it could have its own form entirely...or it could still be sealed. However, all of this is speculation (yeah, the word isn't the best) until the next chapter, in which I'm sure Ichigo would have noticed the use of the move and they'll probably do a showing of Isshin's Zanpakuto (which hopefully will be released). TVthePunisher 09:21, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone else think that isshin's zanpaktou is a constant release type. The tsuba have the same shape as when it was in its sealed form. It would kind of make sense since him and ichigo use the same attack as well. Jordanbobordan88 14:42, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

if i remember, the reason ichigo(and kenpachi)'s zanpakuto doesn't have a sealed form is because they can't control there spiritual pressure enough to seal there zanpakuto. and also if i remember soul reapers that have mastered there zanpakuto can use some of it's abilities while it is still sealed.Soul reaper magnum 18:55, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Correct me if i am wrong... Getsuga Tensho is an attack eats a bit of the user's reiatsu, amplifies and fires... pretty much like a loud-speaker... If a certain person is very skilled, he/she should be able to use a similar attack with their zanpakuto as well... though he/she may chose to call it whatever they wish... in Isshins case he chooses to call it Getsuga Tensho... just my interpretation of the events.. Kishen1912 07:26, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe Isshin's Zanpakuto is able to copy the attack or ability of another Zanpakuto, with some kind of limit I'm sure, and if he is able to do that he may also be able to cancel out an opponents Zanpakuto's powers. The reason I think this is because I doubt that Isshin will have the same Zanpakuto as his son and his power to copy and cancel would be a good way to keep from being hypnotized by Aizen. Also if this were true that would be why Aizen was having so much trouble fighting Isshin because he was unable to hypnotize him and had to rely on the rest of his power. This would also mean that Isshin would have a great amount of Spiritual Energy to be able to wear Aizen down, since Aizen has such a large amount of Spiritual Energy himself. Let me know what you all think about this. Unus7484 20:08, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

I believe that Isshin and Ichigo do share Zangetsu, one Zangetsu tells Ichigo "I hate the rain....." but we havent seen any rain 'inside' Ichigo so maybe it has rained 'inside' Isshin?, and also on the early episodes Tessai noticies something about Ichigo's Zanpaktou the first time he sees it, so maybe Tessai has already seen it before? Destrosadora 1:51, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

i didnt see this part down here about his zanpakuto but as i stated, it could be the manifestation of the bond Isshin and Ichigo share. About Isshin's ability to copy attacks Unus7484, how could he copy an attack he has never seen? Has Isshin ever seen Ichigo use his zanpakuto? If he has, the anime and manga do not elude to that fact but he did know Ichigo's soul reaper status so maybe he has been secretly watching from the sidelines like Urahara. Even Uryuu's dad seems to know a few things. Dad's in this manga/anime are kind of creepy and too secretive. Mimi-soutaicho125 02:24, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

If there is a connection between isshin's and ichigo's zanpaktous, i see a possible foreshadow to it that was very early in the series. I see a striking similarity between isshin's appearance and that of zangetsu. that would help to confirm the connection since zanpaktous and their masters tend to have simmilar looks(zap. is based of the soul of the wielder) so zangetsu not looking like ichigo but like isshin would help to confirm this theory in my opinion.-Superhuman2021 8:09, June 1, 2010 (Central)

I have to admit that, after reading all of the discussion here and from going back and looking at the manga images of Ichigo's and Isshin's sealed Zanpakuto, I was completly wrong about my speculation earlier. One thing I found in the manga is in chapter 63 where Ichigo pulls Zangetsu out of that box; if you look at it you can deffenatly see how Ichigo and Isshins both have the tassels and look very much alike. Not sure how all of this will be explained but cant wait to find out. Unus7484 14:12, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

I've spotted a major issue in Isshin's translated zanpakutou's name. The word '剡月', following Ichigo's zanpakutou's name - Moon cutter, means "Moon sharpener" or "Sharpening Moon", whichever you see fit. But as far as I can tell, "剡" doesn't mean scathing. Master-g 14:22, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Wound of Isshin
i notice something in the latest.... the wound in the left part of his body.... just when did he got those?? did he get it when aizen uses raikaho?? Frostymoon 8:33, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

yea thts where its from