Forum:Death Scare to ask any question regarding this wiki???

Death Scare to ask any question regarding this wiki???
what should I do then - when I read some question being put down on here - and some answer was so demeaning - I mean this is quite scary - so can anyone lay down here anything even I have read about this site's policy - what are the proper ways to ask things in here - and is it acceptable to demean people when it was deemed a stupid question - does demeaning people when answering the question acceptable at all?IamSickaHorrow 17:53, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually we are all really friendly here ^.^ Seriously, we are! However, what you must understand is there there are certain questions that come-up with a certain frequency that just really wears down our patience. Take me for example, more then HALF my edits are in response to repeat questions. >.< Not cool! In addition, I at least am 100x nicer when someone posts a question on my personal talk page about something on the wiki that confuses them. This is because I can tailor the response to that user alone and don't have to worry making it well... a general, impersonal answer which may also have to have a decisive tone so that the discussion on the talk page can be brought to an end. In addition, I also have very low tolerance for stupid question on article talk pages because they are waste of time and space and often betray a staggering lack of effort on the part of the original asker. However, I am more tolerant of people askings "stupid questions" on my personal talk page because 1. it's my talk page so I don't mind if space get's wasted there, 2. since the user made the effort to look me up - it shows that they aren't being frivolous. In addition, I don't think we are all that demeaning. People, however, are often quick to take criticism personally. For example, in the discussion just above us I said Your point is utterly illogical and therefore will not be considered, DrKaii clearly took it as a personal attack and that I was calling him and idiot. The thought never crossed my mind. My comment on his point being illogical was just that, his point was illogical in the context of the wiki. The primary source of the wiki is the manga, therefore it is illogical to even consider a scenario where the manga content has to be separated and hidden. Not every idea/suggestion/point you bring up is going to be well received. But criticism of the idea/suggestion/point should not be taken personally, but for what it is, criticism of idea/suggestion/point only. Tinni   (Talk)  18:38, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Just ask a question and someone will answer. Make sure it is asked in the right place though. Some users like to demean others as we really don't have a policy against it but for the most part we are nice. Just don't ask stupid questions :)--God (Pray)  17:59, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

sorry I think there is no stupid question only people deemed or assume it be stupid. question are not demeaning people but people in here when answering some new user question seems to be demeaning quite a lot and I am chicken scared!!!Soulreaper1234 18:04, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Okay I think this could be out of hand - and I am so sorry because I was reading people's comments on here - I dont mean any harm - thanks for commenting on this one you 2IamSickaHorrow 18:11, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

The discussion was closed so I could not respond but just to clarify (and as you will see, this comment goes well under this header). I am not an anime-only fan, and I am sorry for inferring from your words that it was a manga-only site, now I fully understand and I thank you. However, the point I was trying to make was that I made a very simple query/request about something, and the response was aggressive and rude. Personally I agree with the idea of having a Bleach Universe site and I don't hate this site at all, and I definately did not baselessly attack it. I admit I did attack those who responded to me though, and the fact that they are moderators and can be so rude DOES say a lot about the site itself and its leadership. I apologise for being so strong about it, but I was hurt. If you re-open the discussion I will remove the comment and make it more clear what I meant.

All I did was request that manga spoilers be hidden. All that was required was a "no, we have an established policy - this site defines manga as primary, anime as secondary, sorry". Instead I got two responses that firstly used enough strong language, unnecessary adjectives and adverbs ("utterly illogical" for example), and unnecessary instructions ("if you don't like it go to another site" - how rude a response to such a polite and innocent request!) to show that the writers clearly thought there was a need to scold me for my opinion, and secondly made untrue assumptions about my opinion in the first place. Who ever said that I disagreed with the idea that anime is secondary to manga? All I asked for was perhaps a way of hiding manga spoilers, not getting rid of them, so those of us with patience are still able to use the site.


 * Ok I was asking too much, but there was no need to be rude to me about it. I was never rude to you in my request, it is common courtesy to therefore treat me with the respect I showed you. So in your "defense" of your site, you failed to defend it at all. Instead of defending my accusation that you were rude, you simply went on to defend that you are right in the matter of manga/anime policy and I am still wrong (something I never contested!), being rude to me yet again. In fact, I don't see why I need to be compared to "manga-only fans who INSIST..."?! Am I an anime only fan? Did I "INSIST" anything? Why do I deserve the same rude response as them?Reopen the discussion, I will apologise for calling you an anime hater and stick this comment in. DrKaii 18:14, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

All right here is the response you were looking for. This site treats the manga as the primary source of info. In doing so, we have established that everything on the site come from the manga first and the anime comes second. The anime is treated as non canon and so hiding the info about the manga would go against what we are doing on this site. So unfortunately we will not be hiding the manga info, sorry--God (Pray)  18:23, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well done DrKaii 18:27, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

well not all the people on here are rude anywayIamSickaHorrow 18:35, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry, what is wrong with calling a chicken, a chicken. You raise an illogical point and I said it was illogical. In addition, there was nothing polite about your request. It was rather presumptuous and quite annoying. You jumped straight into "let's find ways to hide manga spoilers" <- highly presumptuous. The annoying part is a little longer. Firstly, it's the 100+ time some one from the "anime-only" or "manga-only" camp has tried to change the wiki. Secondly, you tired to make a fundamental change to the wiki that betrayed you utter ignorance of the wiki as a whole, utter ignorance of even the FRONT PAGE of the wiki where it says in "this is a Bleach universe" wiki AND it shows a lack of sensibility towards non-anime-only users of the wiki. In addition, whoever said that you CAN'T be scolded for your opinion? Why does everybody think that just because it's there opinion it's above criticism? NO, I assure that if you opinion is based on lack of evidence, lack of thought or otherwise lacking, it can and should be ripped to shreds! Believe me I am doing you a service. How else are you going to learn how to construct arguments and state your opinions in a meaningful way if every dumb, stupid and just plain wrong opinions are treated the same as well constructed and good opinions. You can choose to take it personally or you can look at objectively and realise that it is criticism of your opinion only and not an attack of you as a person. Tinni  (Talk)  18:38, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * PS. We aren't rude but some people just have fragile egos. >.> Tinni   (Talk)  18:43, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Tinni, you are rather rude at points. As one of the higher ups on this site you should try and make people feel welcome and if their opinion is wrong put it kindly instead of ripping them a new one. Your people skills are not great. I think if we were all a little kinder we would get less repeated questions and less ongoing fights--God (Pray)  19:19, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * rolls eyes I am not rude. I simply enforce the rules. That alone seems to bruise peoples egos. Honestly people, can you lot not differentiate between being critical of an edit (or opinion) and critical of you as a person? Also, not mincing words does not equal being rude. It's called being direct. Tinni   (Talk)  21:49, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

It is easy to forget that this wiki is a lot more regimented than most others, even for huge sites like the One Piece wiki or the Final Fantasy wiki aren't as strict on things like trivia and don't have the formal manual of style etc, let alone sites for smaller or older manga like D'Gray Man and Trigun. It's difficult to get used to exactly how things are done here.

Don't get me wrong i love that this site looks so professional because of the way it is organised and the other sites i go on i try and adopt the same policy so it is a very good thing just hard to get used to at first.

now for someone like me who is well over a few hundred edits i can say that i should know better than to ask a stupid question and would deserve a more severe warning for doing something wrong or asking a well trodden question (do i want to see another question on Vasto Lorde!!!) but for someone who had only just joined the community they aren't aware of what is well trodden ground and what isnt and should probably be treated a little more leniently at least for the first few times. I know it's all there in the manuals and policies but who really wants to sit down for a few hours doing studying when they've first joined.

For people who have been here a long time and are sick of repeating themselves why not just ignore a question and let one of us that haven't been around so long give a more appropriately worded response which will stop people wanting to leave. We we all new to this once, even those of us with several thousand edits. Wolfwood (Shoot) 21:27, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I would have to agree with the person starting this forum. The more experienced users, and some of the moderators tend to be quite rude when dealing with newcomers to this wiki, a reason why I will no longer be editing here. Keep in mind that I myself am a moderator on more than one, more than two, even more than three wikis so I know for sure that a Moderator staff can be direct and remain logical without appearing to be rude or looking down on a newbie. Tinni, you are one of the ones that I commonly butt heads with around here, and instead of referring to a place in the rules where I can go look up and correct my mistake, you insult or rudely put me down. And I don't believe I'm the only one here that has had that done to them. As an admin you should try to be a little more patient with newcomers. You will find that it makes them feel welcome and they will want to correct thier mistakes if you are a bit kinder. ~ NOTASTAFF Ryun Uchiha (Ten Tailed Fox, Getsueikirite-taichou) (talk) 00:24, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Since when am I an admin... never mind, doesn't matter. As for you, 1. You are not a new comer, 2. You don't learn from your mistakes, 3. You have a history of trouble making that stretches long before I became all that active on the wiki. As such, you really do get what you deserve and I am plenty patient with new comers. As I said before, I enforce the rules and that alone seems to bruise peoples egos. Not that it bother me. If I am the reason you are thinking twice about editing, then I have to ask "What were you trying to do that you are scared to draw my wrath?" Indeed, if you are thinking "Tinni or one of the admins will revert this edit as soon as they see it", it's probably not something that should be added. Tinni   (Talk)  05:52, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Haha, the wrath of tinni is fearsome indeed. You say that you just enforce the rules but you are not very kind about it. I don't think you realize how harsh you sound sometimes. You and Salubri and sometimes even Yyp can come off as kind of rude. Like I have been saying, I think if you were to be a little nicer we would have more regular good editors instead of scaring them away--God (Pray)  06:01, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

I have been around for more than a year, and dear lord, does it get old to be answering the same question over and over and over again. I have witnessed first line how Tinni has battled herself to make people understand how Harribel, Starrk and Ulquiorra are dead, and yet people keep coming back suggesting that they might not be. So it does get tiring, and annoying, and there's a point in which one would just want to go and say "please don't give me this *** again" (I've gone through it with the Espada numbers, Romanization, even Eye color, and I remember a couple of weeks ago a really silly edit war about Rukia's power level that turned into vandalism... gosh...), and yet the admins and most users behave very politely about these people that just don't seem to get it. But I do have to agree that Tinni, you are scary at times (I felt like you were hitting me back at Harribel's talk page yesterday) even is you aren't point blank insulting because of the way you write (no offense! ^-^). But people, you guys have to understand that Tinni, and the admins, and the regular users mean only good for the wiki, because we like to keep it clean from speculation, vandalism, and mistakes, so that this site has the most accurate and complete information about the series that we love the most. Yes, it's hard to be a newcomer (I did get scolded by the admins once or twice, though I like to believe I'm on good terms with all of them, and with Tinni atm), but it's not so hard to give a quickie read to the rules and guidelines, some checkings to the Talk pages and articles to see how things work around here to prevent getting in trouble. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  06:21, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * That Rukia power-level edit war was just disturbing. I mean, as if I didn't notice that, that person went after me and Lia, two users known to be female and left Godisme, a user known to be male and who had spent the day undoing said persons edits, alone. >.> The phase spineless coward comes to mind. I mean, sure I was actively tangling with him but Lia made ONE post telling him to stop and he went after her with foul language and Godisme gave him warnings ALL day and he still decided to pick a fight with me! I didn't even have anything to do with what was happening until he dragged me into it based on a warning I gave him almost six months ago! Seriously people, this is what I and the admins have to deal with not all that infrequently. I do what I do (reply to discussion page topics, enforce Bleach wiki rules) because I don't mind the stones that get hauled my way when people don't get their way on the wiki. If you are so easily hurt by what I say, you most certainly cannot do what I do and that's the facts. Tinni   (Talk)  09:48, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

I could not take my eyes off here so I decided to meld about this one, for I am a footballer and play rugby in school, and I am a champion Karatekas, so Juniors would look up to me even my big brother and 2 little one, I am sick of bullies I sent a few of them stitches hanging in the hospital and this was violence at best that is why I choose Hollow Ichigo as one of my heroes my main hero, why people are getting beat up actually most of them people I sent to hospitals was because of their foul mouth, I really don't know how would they carry on like that I just could not stop my self from hitting and beating bullies and sending them home or the sick houses, I am into college now I see seniors bullying juniors, I mean this seniors are still kids too like 19, 20 and 21. But when their action were off limits and it happen just in front of my view well there will only be 1 outcome you will surely get a brutal beating from me. So when I read some comments on here I mean come on give this new user a break, you were once a new user too. Why should you carry on like that attitude it of no advantages. And we can only learn from our mistake, and it is more nicer if someone makes a mistake to be told nicely, but people there are bad and good ones we could only hope for the best of them to be peaceful.Arrancarthevillainiam 06:40, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

O I am not denying I am harsh. I am just denying I am harsh to good editors. Afterall, how good can they possibly be if they get upset when their edits are undon? I mean, do you think I would still be here if I had a glass ego as most of you! I remember my first edit... I added some trivia in Gin's page about how Kira thought of him as a fox and Rukia thought of him as a snake... Arrancar109 reverted it even though it came complete with pictures from the Colourful Bleach showing Kira calling Gin a fox. I was sad but added the colourful Bleach panels to my personal page because I like them. But ALL my early edits go reverted but did I give-up! No! I kept at it! Eventually deciding to take the spoiler pages under my wing because it was utterly neglected and my edits didn't get reverted there. That was pretty much the bulk of my early edits (and still a regular part of it). Then I started changing profile picture in totally the wrong way. Arrancar109 kept reverting them. Then I arguing with him and he agreed that Aizen's old profile picture was utterly fugly. Then we both went on a profile picture update binge and this time I did it properly because during the argument Arrancar109 explained what's what, so all the Gotei 13 got shiny new pictures!
 * Then I started a one woman campaign to fill the volume pages... and quickly fell flat on my face! So I came-up with the Volume a week club and made a post about it on Watercooler. But Salubri was going through forum upgrades at the time and yelled at me for putting it in the wrong place. But the forum codes weren't working and I couldn't get the post to appear at the right place and kept getting yelled at. Eventually I put it in the right place and me, Yyp and Twocents started our epic campaign to fill the volume pages with chapter summaries! It was hard going. For months we were totally ignored by everybody. Even Salubri but then he decided we were doing something good and made the Bleach Wiki:Policy & Standards Committee for me to head. Then we got more editors for the volume summary project, good editors... new editors and they were fantastic! User:DeliManjoo and User:TheDevilHand888 were both new and so very, very helpful! Did they always get things right? No! But they stuck with it and we finished the project! Now the volume pages don't suck...
 * In short, good editors are editors who persevere while being called **** and banging against the solid wall so that they can become good! If you think that just because you are a good editor in wiki X and that automatically makes you a good editor here, then you are wrong! You aren't good until you have proven yourself useful and to do that you may have to put-up with people undoing your edits, maybe even disregarding your valid point and utterly ignoring you. But that's what's called perseverance. A very important quality of a good editor, especially of a wiki. Tinni   (Talk)  06:43, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Tinni when I browsed you page I now can see what a good editor you can be but, the new user above when you are telling them their mistake, you should tries to be more lenient and more nicer towards them that's all they were asking. Because it is not right to carry on that attitude just because you were scold by the more established editors in the wiki long ago, but who am I to tell you you can only see it for yourself or judge it personally. The others or myself have no bearings on this one but, telling people nicely to what they mistake are is more honorable that spewing some tirade at them.Arrancarthevillainiam 06:58, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I do not spew tirade however I do not suger-coat my words either. Not sugar-coating does not equal being rude, scolding or whatever else. It's just that, NOT sugar-coating. I do not feel the need to sugar-coat especially when the pills aren't particularly bitter. It's not really all that hard not to draw my wrath. Follow the rules, don't make trouble, don't be annoying, if you have a question ask it in a tone not of entitlement and for the sake of all things good, put some effort into it first! There really is all there is to it. I might be harsh but I would like to think I am also as fair as I can be. I don't make any apologies for being harsh. If you choose to interpret as being rude, you are free to do so and that's all I have to say on this topic. Tinni   (Talk)  07:25, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Okay it's obvious to me that this discussion is going nowhere. You guys all have your own opinions, but if your just going to argue senselessly about whose being rude or not with no end in sight it might be time to just take a step back and relax for a bit. Prophet of Sanghelios 07:52, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

More likely its a sign that there isn't anything to discuss. If you are too scared to edit the wiki because of me. Then either you are planning on doing something that you know is wrong or afraid that it might be wrong. If its the former, all I can say is GOOD, don't do it. If it's a latter, just ask me! I never bite people's heads-off when they sincerely ask me for help. If you are unsure of an edit you want to make, just ask and I'll help you as best I can. That goes for issues as well. If you want to raise an issue but are unsure, just come and ask. I'll tell you the proper way to do it and direct you to the proper location as well. Remember, I am here to help. ^.^ Tinni   (Talk)  08:02, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry we are talking about being mean and bullying on this wiki and all that seems to be happening is we are ganging up on Tinni. If you all look at my talk pages you will see that i didn't really know what the heck i was doing and it was Tinni who mainly took me under her wing and showed me how to use the wiki properly in a very polite and conciencous manner. Wolfwood (Shoot)  08:38, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Lol I was the one who commented on chicken scared asking stupid question lol (it was only a joke) I didnt realise we were ganging up on Tinni hahah hope the matters cool down alreadySoulreaper1234 08:44, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Actual Abuse
Guys, I am not amused. I am really not amused. A great number of you should be hanging your head in shame about now based on what we have uncovered. You, all of you, should worry less about me ripping opinions and ideas into shreds and worrying more about actual abuse that is going on. I would like to inform you that Arrancarthevillainiam has now been banned. While he was so worried about me "bullying" people, he himself was cursing out another wiki user. I can call a few of you out personally as you were involved in the blog where the incident happened but I think I am going to chew you out privately on your talk pages instead. All I will say is that I am truly disappointed with many of you who posted on this thread.

Here you are, complaining about me being rude and having no people skill and someone like Arrancarthevillainiam commits actual abuse and you all hold you tongues. NOT ACCEPTABLE. If you lot have difficulty telling what is and isn't acceptable apart. I am going to tell you exactly what I told Arrancarthevillainiam, ideas, opinions etc are not sacrosanct. People are. I don't care and the admins don't care how rudely, flippantly or abrasively an idea or opinion is treated. However, we do not tolerate verbal abuse, harassment or threats of physical violence. You can find a charming example of the latter on the Arrancarthevillainiam's talk page. I will say it again. You lot should worry less about me ripping people's ideas and opinions to shred and worry more about actual abuse. An extremely angry Tinni   (Talk)  18:50, June 10, 2010 (UTC)