Talk:Jūshirō Ukitake

Ukitake's illness
I'm going to reopen an old discussion and hope to not get killed in the process, because this issue has been nagging me ever since I first stepped on this wiki. Why do we keep saying Ukitake suffers from tuberculosis? Did I miss any reference? The last time this was discussed the conclusion was "All of his symptoms point to tuberculosis, so that must be it". But that's not how we do stuff, is it? Unless Kubo ever stated that his illness is tuberculosis we can't go around spreading misinformation. If I missed any Databook that confirmed it, forgive me for reopening this, but the article doesn't give any reference. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  23:42, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

I too am curious about this. I don't remember anything ever being said other than that he is sick and seeing his symptoms. While yes, all symptoms point to tuberculosis we cannot be certain unless Kubo has stated it somewhere--God (Pray)  23:52, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * actually never mind, if you look at the talk archive, it says it will be listed as tuberculosis until it is stated otherwise. I disagree with this but whatever--God (Pray)  00:05, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I did read that discussion, it's pretty old (that's what I was talking about when I said "the last time it was discussed") but that was a long time ago and while I wasn't present at the time, I feel quite in disagreement with the outcome of that discussion, which is why I'm bringing this up now. There are series in which characters are confirmed to have tuberculosis but Ukitake is not the case, and I feel it's a strong contradiction to our policies to say that he has TB when we have no proof from the manga, TK or anything like that to back it up. Lia Schiffer   (Talk)  05:12, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Let's see wha the Admins say but I'm fine with it being either way!! We could state that he appears to suffer from TB but it is yet to be confirmed!! SunXia (talk) 00:33, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

I agree that it shouldn't be referred to as TB, regardless of how "obvious" it may seem. The speculation policy was not always enforced as well as it is these days; this might have just been one of those things that slipped between the cracks. Besides, there are other diseases that can make you cough blood. Mohrpheus (talk) 00:41, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

So as far as I'm getting Mohrph and I are in favor of removing the tuberculosis part, Sunxia is neutral and Godisme, I didn't quite get your position, but I'd like to know what the admins think of this. I went to Salubri to ask him about it a while ago and he said it could need to be reworded, but that's all. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  02:17, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

I am for just saying he is ill. I say remove the tuberculosis part--God (Pray)  02:23, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, it was not stated to be TB, and thus we should not just assume it was. 09:55, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ukitake's Appearance
Now I may be picking at straws here but the policies here states that Manga is always held as a higher source that the Anime!! In the Anime and in his article, Ukitake has brown eyes and yet in the Manga, he has green eyes, as shown here on the cover for Chapter 335, it's quite clear his eyes are green!! Should we change it?? SunXia (talk) 03:12, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'd say we do it. Ukitake rarely gets color spreads, and doesn't have a volume cover, so it's understandable that this kind of thing has happened. I checked the raw scan and it's undeniably green. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  03:24, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, ever since that whole Gin thing was resolved, a lot of these have been popping up. Again, I support going with the manga's portrayal of his eye color; the same has been done for Gin, Zaraki, Orihime and Yachiru, so I see no reason not to. Mohrpheus (talk) 03:27, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

I changed the Infobox, but his appearance section also describes his eyes as brown and I don't know how to describe the green of his eyes, could someone else do that? Also, for I checked the Karaburi to see if I could have any confirmation and in one of the color pages, it also shows Ukitake's green eyes. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  03:28, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Agent of Shinigami Arc
Shouldn't there be something in the plot about this?? I know there was something in the past but it was taken away!! The fact is, Ukitake appeared in this Arc, even if it was as a brief flashback, he appeared and was relevant enough to actually place in the first Popularity poll!! Besides, others that have only appeared in flashbacks in different arcs have had their appearances inserted into their plot section!! SunXia (talk) 16:25, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Do you have the chapter he was in? I will check out how long he appeared and see if it warrants a section being created for it. If we can only give a one or two sentence of what happened I don't think it would be worth giving him an AotS arc section--God (Pray)  16:36, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

It was in chapter 23, pages 12-13. However, it doesn't matter because he only appeared in a flashback, not in the actual arc itself. He has to make an actual appearance in the arc to get a section for it. If this should be mentioned anywhere though, then the trivia section would be good for it, though the popularity poll one sorta takes care of it. TheDevilHand888 (talk) 16:56, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well it is just a flashback but then, Tosen has a Bount Arc Section and his is barely a line or two long about non-canon Ichinose, thats only why I was asking!! He appears in Chapter 23 with Rukia wondering if she should help Ichigo!! Was merely asking!! SunXia (talk) 17:02, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

The information on the event it was a flashback to is in his history section anyway. 17:50, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Confused
Where does it say in Turn Back The Pendulum that the original 4 captains were around for the last 200 years as of 110 years? I thought it was for the last 100 years? Hisagi9 (talk) 04:30, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

At www.readbleach.com under chapter -108, page 15, that according to Captain Kyoraku: "...the only ones who've been captains for over 100 years are me, Ukitake, and Yama-ji, Right?" Captain Ukitake: "Not quite,There's Captain Unohana." So why is 200 years listed on Ukitake's article and Kyoraku's? Hisagi9 (talk) 05:30, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

I have made the appropriate change. It seems there was confusion when it was written. They were captains for over 100 years at that point and over 200 years at this point--God (Pray)  05:34, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. The problem with the years is also on Kyoraku's page too and the reference is wrong. Its page 15, not 13 of chapter -108.Hisagi9 (talk) 06:12, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

This article (Ukitake's) has the wrong page reference too. Page 13 talks about the kenpachi, not about the 100 years thing. Hisagi9 (talk) 06:14, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

No the references are right, we do not include what scanlators put in front of their releases. We only count the actual chapter--God (Pray)  06:16, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the info. Hisagi9 (talk)