Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27565137-20160415174609/@comment-27565137-20160426204143

Kman111 wrote: Wri-El wrote:

1. Except for the fact that he's shown to be able to use abilities from all three races. Even if during all this time he was simply using a mere fraction of his shinigami/hollow powers, that fraction was more than enough to defeat Aizen. And do you see him anywhere near the level he was during his final fight with Aizen? No. He's nowhere near. If he was then those four chicks and more recentely Askin. Ichigo wouldn't have been face splattered on the floor. He would've shrug off Askin lethal dose ability like it was nothing. Resurreccion is not off the table because Ichigo has twice turned into a full hollow. He used Cero, Sonido, Hierro. He even used his sword in ways he normally never does. Has for his Quincy abilities, Ichigo has one advantage that for all we know no other Quincy has. He can communicate with the quincy part of himself, or more precisely, Yhwach of a thousand years ago. The same Yhwach that developed all the quincy techniques, that most likely also developed Letzt Stil and even at the time as we saw it, he was already planing on creating the sternritters. So if it is instruction that you believe Ichigo lacks to ever be a full quincy, then he can get it (if he hasn't already) from the best source of them all... Yhwach soul fragment inside himself.

Being able to use abilities from all three races =/= being able to use all abilities from all three races. The only Quincy ability we've seen Ichigo use is Blut; once during his fight with Zaraki, and once during his fight with Yhwach. Wouldn't count on him being able to manipulate Reishi like other Quincy, as that would be not only redundant, but require training and a Quincy Cross; something which he doesn't have.

His Hollow form can't be considered a "Resurreccion", because that is an Arrancar releasing their true power sealed in their sword. His Hollow form is just simply his inner Hollow taking over his soul and body. During his fight with Aizen, he accepted Zangetsu's blade (and therefore full power) and learned the Final Getsuga Tensho which gave him a huge power boost at the cost of losing his Shinigami powers.

3. Actually Askin dominated Ichigo, and not the other way around. If he can't take on Askin how can he possibly take on Yhwach or Haschwalth for that matter?

Askin's ability is quite potent irrespective of someone's level of power. Even Nimaiya would've succumbed to Deathdealing without intervention. Just because Ichigo was face down on the ground, doesn't mean he isn't strong (especially if he can take on four Sternritter at once, without fighting seriously). It just means he got outwitted, or—most likely in this case—deceived by Askin.

I believe there's more going on with Ichigo that meets the eye. I'm not saying his and Zaraki cases are the same, I never said that. But they might be similar. In which Zaraki only know found out about his true powers, while Ichigo might know all about his powers, he simply doesn't want to use them, yet.

Zaraki's sword was always in Shikai. It's just that now we know it's not stuck in that state and can grow stronger, as we've recently seen. That's what Byakuya meant by mistaking his Zanpakuto for a "constant-release" type. So what Ichigo has now is most likely his Shikai. Sealed Zanpakuto are always (except for Sayafushi) kept in a proper sheath, and no sealed Zanpakuto looks that large or unique.

Also am I the only one that noticed or remembers that when Ichigo was fighting Yhwach after he forced Ichigo to cut the soul king in half, that Ichigo in his basic two blades form and not in bankai, fired a black getsuga tenshou at Yhwach? In Bleach chapter 618, when Yhwach is trying to get to Ukitake's soul king right arm, Ichigo fired a black getsuga tenshou while in 'shikai'. So that also got me thinking that something else might be going on here that we simply aren't getting the whole picture.

Yes, he can fire a black Getsuga from his larger blade, and a blue Getsuga from his smaller one. What about it? Quincy cross... The same quincy cross the sternritters haven't been using. That cross... Also Ichigo could actually learn from the quincy manifestation of his powers, something that most likely normal quincies can't.

His Hollow form was proof that if Ichigo was allowed full control over his powers (which he now has since Old Man relinquished his control) he could most likely use all the powers of a hollow, Resurreccion included.

We now know that Ichigo initial Zangetsu zanpakutou was never Zangetsu to begin with. Most likely is was a creation of Old Man in order to keep the facade that Ichigo was using shinigami powers when in fact he wasn't. Old Man words have to be taken into account and not simply dismissed. He said that up until that point, when Oetsu basically pointed out to Ichigo he was being fooled by Old Man, Ichigo had only used but a small fraction of his true shinigami/hollow powers. If he was only allowed to use but a fraction, then how can anyone say for certain that what we say him use was a shikai and bankai? For all we know only now in this final arc we're gonna see Zangetsu true shikai and bankai forms.

What about it?? He used a bankai technique while in Shikai or whatever. Doesn't that raise any questions to you? Like for example... "Damn. He just used a black getsuga tenshou while in Shikai. Or is it a shikai? Maybe it isn't. Maybe like hollows or Arrancars in this case, the sealed form of his powers are those dual blades. And getsuga tenshou isn't even his real power, but just a basic technique. After all both Urahara and Isshin both have used Getsuga Tenshou in one way or another. So most likely we haven't seen Ichigo true powers yet."

You know these type of questions.

Honestly at this point if Ichigo reveals that he isn't even using Zangetsu and that those two blades are just his asauchis, I'm already seeing most people saying "Well. Look at that. It makes no sense. Bet no one saw this coming."....