Forum:Policy Violations

Folks if you are going to do the notice thing and then put the name of the user on a special name and shame page you really have to be careful about whether they actually violated a policy or whether you just think they violated a policy. I mean, today the first english subbed Bleach episode was released by GetBleach much, much, much earlier than it normally is and available on BleachExile (http://www.bleachexile.com/). However I notice that violation notices had been issued. Are you guys sure an actual violation happened or was it a case that being unaware that the episode had been released you made a mistake in issuing the infringement? I mean, this isn't the first time I noticed admins undoing things with the message "don't add information from chapters/episodes not yet available in english" only to find that a chapter and episode has been available for the last hour on BleachExile or some other site that is not OneManga or Dattebayo. I guess what I am saying is that, if you are going to do the violation notice thing you have to make damn sure you are not making a mistake. So either check the prominent sites yourself to make sure something hasn't come out or before you give an official warning ask the user to explain themselves. Because it really doesn't look good to penalise users who have done the right thing just because you guys weren't aware that they were doing the right thing. Tinni 01:26, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what incident you're referring to, but perhaps if you have a problem with a particular admin or if you would like to contest a particular warning being issued, then you should bring it up specifically with him/her rather than making a somewhat insulting, non-specific rant. And if you've already done that, then it's really not necessary to make a forum about it, in my opinion. Twocents 02:28, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * sigh I am not ranting and I am not insulting. I am simply bringing up an issue, that is in fact an issue. I have already brought up the specific issue that happened THIS time with Arrancar109. But this is an ongoing issue. I wasn't being insulting. Just saying that now that you have a page of violaters you guys need to be careful who you put on it. As Yyp can testify, I have had to revert his/her "undos" on multiple occasions because he/she undid something believing the english chapter/subbed episode was not out when it was. This time Arrancar109 put an user on the violation page but there is reason to believe that user had in fact done the right thing and only added information after a subbed version came out. I don't know why you are being so sensative since I neither ranted or insulted and I am certainly not refering to something that's happened to me personally. I am just saying that it doesn't look good on admins if they name and shame users who haven't done something wrong. You don't gain anything by antagonising users without due cause. Tinni 02:41, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

This seems like a spoiler policy issue, but to be fair the spoiler policy first went up in april before you were a contributer on the site Tinni and the reason why it even exists is because of constant information being put down on the articles before it could be readily verified by any source in actual english. Now granted since then there has been far less people quick to jump the gun on spoiler content. though a while ago more and more users became aggressive in putting the information up there as if it was a race to be the first person to put previously unknown info out and admin started taking a zero tolerance policy toward those edits. Now i understand entirely where your coming from in that some sites have information out before others but how does it look when one person is coming out with all this information filling up the pages and nobody else on the site is even aware of the information being out. Now obviously if the information is out be it manga or anime subbed, dubbed or scanned in english already then its good to go no question but while they cant be faulted for following policy admin can't be faulted for making sure that policy is followed. Everybody is technically doing what they're supposed to. Now the way I see it is if their following the policy and admin in question is not aware that its out that should be discussed between the two and the issue is done. a simple link to a anime sight or manga sight and we go about are business and any warning given shouldn't count toward a violation as noting has been violated. Salubri 03:16, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * My point was that there is no clear guidelines on how to get yourself off the violators list once you on it. At least most users aren't aware what they can do if they get a violation. I guess what I am saying is that perhaps you can have a delay of like a day before you put a person on the "list of people issued with warnings" page to give the user ample time to respond and explain themselves. All I am saying is that now that you have a permanent list of people issued with warning, there should be some mechanism in place to get people off the list and some buffer before putting people on the list. I mean, it's embarressing and actually discourages people from even making good faith edits. I know it must have sounded like a good idea at the time but I really think you guys haven't thought that page through. I personally don't think absolute new editors should go on that page. They should just get a warning on their talk page only. If they violate again, then they go on that page. But that's my opinion only. Tinni 03:23, November 18, 2009 (UTC)