Talk:Zangetsu (Zanpakutō spirit)

Kill everything and anything he sees?!
Where in the world is that stated in the manga? He clearly stated during the Vizard training that he would only take over if Ichigo couldn't man up, prove his dominance, and keep himself from dying or else he'd become a mindless Hollow. The Hollow stated in Deicide that his goal was to protect Ichigo, as he did in the SS arcs and on the Dome. Don't tell me he said it in a non-canon filler arc or fan speculation. He never said he desired to take the crown; he'd only do it out of necessity. He's not a separate entity, he doesn't have outside goals; he reflects a part of Ichigo's personality and Hollow powers. Its called "visual metaphor"/literary symbolism.

About the Deadly Darts technique...
Shouldn't it be under the Shikai special ability subsection? It seems more like a zanpakuto ability, considering it uses the special properties of the hilt wrap and hasn't been used by other shinigami.

I'll go ahead and answer the question for you: no. It is a technique used by Hollow Ichigo's own style of fighting, and not a product of Zangetsu's special abilities. Arrancar109 (Talk)  23:20, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't that make it one of Zangetsu's abilities, then? After all, Hollow Ichigo and Zangetsu are two incarnations of the same spirit, who in turn personify Ichigo's personality, so...


 * If it was a special ability then Ichigo would utilize it, it is merely part ofHolow Ichigo's manic fighting style!!

Except Ichigo did use it, right before he destroyed the Arbor of the Sokyoku. He used it to charge up his spiritual pressure. Besides, Hollow Ichigo/Zangetsu isn't a separate entity living inside of Ichigo (stop thinking of Naruto!). He's a visual symbol for Ichigo's negative/positive personality traits; everything he can do Ichigo can do as well. SoulSlayer009 (talk)!

Yeah, I'm still not seeing how this is a Shikai ability, since anyone can take an object strapped by a cloth or chain and spin it in the same manner. We're not changing it. Arrancar109 (Talk)  23:53, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

His abilities section...
Why does his abilities section list him as more powerful than Ichigo? He's not a separate entity and it was clearly stated in the Vizard training that Ichigo's shinigami and hollow powers were of equal strength. The only deciding factor in who was stronger was their "killer instinct". Either way, why does it list inner world feats? Those hardly qualify, since what goes on in Ichigo's inner world is symbolic, not literal (this goes for the "existence" of Zangetsu/Hollow Ichigo).

Inheritance
Alright, so with the latest chapter, we've learned Hollow Ichigo was "inherited" from Masaki, Ichigo's mother. Now, I've seen quite a few users try to add this in, only for their edit to be undone because it was out of place, not referenced, etc. To settle this issue, I'm opening this discussion here so we can figure out what exactly we are going to do with this information - where we are going to put it, how we are going to word it, so on and so forth. Any and all suggestions are welcome. Personally, I will be waiting until we can find a raw for Adam to translate so we can confirm this, but until then, we can at least try to figure out where it will go. I believe it would best go in either the Trivia section or the initial summary at the top of the page.--Xilinoc (talk) 01:53, May 11, 2013 (UTC)