Talk:Ichigo Kurosaki/Archive 4

Species
Since Ichigo lost his Shinigami powers, why is he still classified as a "Human/Vizard" and not just "Human"?--私はあくまで執事ですから - "I'm one hell of a butler." ("Heaven?") 02:56, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ichigo said he is losing his powers, not that he has lost them. We wait until we have confirmation that he has lost his powers--God (Pray)  02:58, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

alright--私はあくまで執事ですから - "I'm one hell of a butler." ("Heaven?") '02:59, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well even if ichigo looses his soul reaper powers, he still has his hollow powers. {rigoberto 60} 02:59, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

That is pure speculation. And not very likely either, since Tensa Zangetsu's fused form represented Ichigo's spiritual power as a whole. Mohrpheus (talk) 15:09, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

There is no evidence that Ichigo will retain his hollow powers. Both Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo said farewell to Ichigo in their merged form. Therefore, stop it with the "he's going to retain his hollow powers" business. Tinni  (Talk)  15:12, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Saigo no Getsuga Tenshou
Just a request, but could the transformation currently dubbed as "The Getsuga" be moved under the Final Getsuga Tenshou section? The abilities section is supposed to be more about effects the ability itself, rather than how it was obtained. That information is already contained in the plot section anyway, there really isn't a need to be redundant. Saigo no Getsuga Tenshou is the transformation, with Ichigo describing it as becoming Getsuga itself. Mohrpheus (talk) 01:16, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Since it is a large edit, I will post it here first. Would anybody be opposed to the below replacing the current Final Getsuga Tenshou section? I reorganized it since the transformation is the Final Getsuga Tenshou, with Ichigo just describing its effect as "becoming the Getsuga." It also helps make the section a little more compact, without removing any information or references (a new reference is actually included here):


 * By using this technique, Ichigo becomes the Getsuga itself. It is referred to as the “Final” Getsuga Tenshou because if Ichigo uses it, he loses all of his Shinigami powers. For the duration of the ability, Ichigo’s hair turns black, and becomes waist-length. Black bandages form around his body, tightly wrapped around his torso, right arm, and face, ending just beneath his eyes. The remains of a tattered black cloak cover his lower body. In this form, Ichigo’s body constantly emits black reiatsu, most of which is focused around his right arm. Being in this form allows Ichigo to use Mugetsu; once it is used, the transformation dissipates, and his Shinigami powers begin to fade away.
 * Ichigo seemingly generates a blade of black energy out of thin air, and grabs it. Doing so brings forth a massive veil of black spiritual energy that covers the surrounding area and darkens the sky, damaging anything caught within the darkness. The energy then recedes, dissipating into the sky.

Mohrpheus (talk) 16:06, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ichigo falling
Can anyone explain why ichigo was falling to the ground? A normal shinigami-power loss or what?

We cannot be sure, we will have to wait for the next chapter to find out why.--God (Pray)  16:34, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ummm...WHAT?

 * "Ichigo calmly states finished and asks Aizen if some shit like this is gonna end him as he slashes at his chest forcing Aizen to release him as well as destroying the circle of charged spiritual energy"

Um, since when do we add curse words to the summary of an article? Perhaps I'm just overreacting but I'm almost positive that there was a policy about that. Also, most of the grammar towards the end of the Fake Karakura Town arc in this section needs to be revised, because some sentences don't make sense. ---Ten Tailed Fox talk page 17:00, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

In the actual translation thats what he says. There is a manual of style point on using curse words doesn't pertain to Kubo's written words though. Once again thats a grammar corner concern and not to be brought up on the actual page. --Salubri (Talk)  00:26, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Color Pages
Sorry, but there are color pages for Ichigo's Getsuga form, so may I ask why the picture has not been updated yet, just so I don't do it without upsetting anybody.--Lavaros (talk) 04:49, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

That color page is covered with captions, the Bleach logo, and a watermark, so we can't use it to portray the form. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  04:52, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, if it is acceptable to use it, Ju-Ni uploaded a cleansed version, caption-free and with no watermark. The only problem with it is the huge Bleach logo in the top corner, I don't know what you think. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  05:03, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I am going to take a look, it may be possible to get a clean cut of the image if it is cropped properly--God (Pray)  05:05, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I already had the picture so I cropped it an resized it (it was huge) The quality is very good, but it's up to you. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  05:16, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, it looks great Lia - had no idea that could even be managed, especially with that kind of quality. I'm all for it being put in the article then. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  05:18, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that looks much better than the one I just got finished cropping. I say put it in the article as I have undone numerous edits of people saying the bandages are black--God (Pray)  05:21, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, when I found it in Ju-Ni's page I was totally wow'ed too. They did an amazing job cleaning it (and of course I had to keep it). So we replace the black and white one with this one? Honestly, the bandages are clearly not black, even in the b&w they look at least grey-ish. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  05:24, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Really not liking these lets throw in the pics because they are colored concepts. Color on the article should only be filled by the anime pics. The exception was made on Aizen's page because of constant whining the pic currently up is the designated one for his zanpakuto section and should be only be replaced with a similar color one be it either manga or anime. Either way anime will eventually replace it. If the pic is to placed it should be in the plot section. --Salubri (Talk)  07:24, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well in Aizen's case, there was never any issue with throwing in the pic, because as Arrancar109 said, it was an official coloring from Kubo. The pic currently up actually took place during the course of the story, so it is better suited for the plot section. The color pic is just there for show, like any other color spread; it is better suited in the abilities section, which has the purpose of portraying the ability's appearance. We're a ways off from the Deicide arc, even more so if we get another filler arc. Mohrpheus   (Talk)  12:19, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I am not pro this picture at all! It's a colour spread NOT a coloured panel. I mean, the first page of chapter 422 was a colour page. If we were to use the panel of Hollow Ichigo + Zangetsu merge in their articles that would be fine because that's exactly like using a panel from the manga. Which was the case for Aizen as well and even the pic I suggested for Tosen, but which wasn't included. Yes they are colour BUT it just so happened that those particular manga panels were done in colour. Back during the Soul Society arc, Kubo did the entire Byakuya vs Ichigo battle in colour. Had the Bleach wiki been around then, not allowing colour would have meant that we couldn't have any panels from that manga at all because they were all in colour. However, a colour manga page is different from a colour-spread. The image we used is a colour spread! No different from the other colour spreads. Indeed, the "colour spread" for the chapter from which Aizen's colour panel came from was this and Tosen's colour panel was accompanied by this colour spread. The colour manga page from chapter 421 just showed the colouring of Hollow Ichigo + Zangetsu. That colour page was accompanied by the above colour spread. I don't think we should start allowing colour spreads because they aren't not really part of the manga storyline but fanservice. I think we should remove the colour spread and make it clear in the image policy that colour manga panels are ok but colour spreads are not. Tinni  (Talk)  14:07, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

While I agree that most color spreads are typically fan service, this one is different from the others in that it is clearly relevant to the manga content, rather than showing characters playing dress-up. This is the canon colored portrayal of Ichigo's Getsuga form, ideally no different from the Aizen case, in that it is showing how Kubo intended for the form to be colored. This is no different than the portions of the All Color But The Black color spreads that we use to portray other characters' Zanpakutou and canon colorations (i.e. Yachiru). Mohrpheus  (Talk)  14:38, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Mohrpheus in this situation, we have a color spread from all color but black showing Yachiru's zanpakutō, why not use one to show Ichigo's getsuga form? It is a good picture, Lia cropped it very well, it shows exactly what the form looks like, has the proper coloring and was done by Kubo himself. The current picture will look good in the plot section but I think this would make an excellent addition to the abilities section. As I said, I have had to undo several edits of people saying that his bandages were black. This would clear it up. --God (Pray)  17:53, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Im in agreement with Tinni. Why we use anything not directly manga to anime. In any case the anime pic would replace it anyhow and the policy or manual of style should be made to specifically state as much. This includes the removal of zanpakuto color pics. The articles should only be for the manga pages and then when applicable the anime versions of those pics. Showing something outside of the panel just for the sake of showing the color isn't exceptable as long and this is supported as long as the explanation details the color. Part of the job is correcting those that don't know better and that never changes.--Salubri (Talk)  18:13, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I am not pro removing colour Zanpakuto pics from Nemu and Nanao because we can't replace them with anything as those are the only shots of their Zanpakuto we have. In addition, Nemu and Nanao not having zanpakuto is a persistent crack theory among Bleach fans. So we on the wiki should do what we can to combat these things. However, while there is grounds for exception in the case of Nemu and Nanao. I don't think there is a case for exception here. We KNOW that Ichigo will be draw in the anime. It's not like Hachi's Zanpakuto, which was optional and not rendered in the anime and so we had to stick to the manga image. Ichigo will appear in the anime. Which isn't the case for Nemu or Nanao Zanpakuto. There is no guarantee that either will engage in combat before end of the series. Again, ground for except on the case to Nemu and Nanao but really I don't see any reason to make an exception in the case of Ichigo. That's my thoughts. Tinni   (Talk)  00:00, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

If this has become an issue of whether or not certain color spreads should be allowed to be used in articles, then it is a matter of policy and the manual of style. I have no little to no domain in those matters. I've contacted the other admins about this. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  18:46, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well, we know Kubo draws the color spreads himself, and they have helped us many times to clarify official colors (eye-color, hair-color, etc.) so I don't see why we shouldn't have them in specifical cases where there is no other picture. For example the lieutenant spread is the only source we have that showcases Nemu's and Yachiru's Zanpakuto, I'd rather keep them as sources than have no picture at all, since there is no other manga or anime equivalent. Of course, I'm not saying we should allow the 'fanservice' color spreads, that would be outrageous. As for this particular spread I don't really have a problem with it since it's not really outside the manga storyline, even if it's not explicitly a manga panel, and it's a really high quality picture that shows how Kubo intended to have the Getsuga form colored. But I'll leave it to the admins to decide about it since it has come down to the Manual of Style. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  22:27, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

My point exactly! The extracts for the images for Nemu, Nanao and to a lesser extent Yachiru, are necessary because that's ALL we have. This image is not necessary when we have perfectly good manga image. Tinni  (Talk)  00:00, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yet, nobody has given any reason - other than that they are color spreads - why they should not be allowed into the article. One can't simply say "it's a color spread, we can't use it," or "the anime version will come out <I>eventually</I>, so there's no point." All that I hear is that it "isn't necessary." What is "necessary"? You can't just juggle around words like that without elaborating. Why shouldn't we use it? Regardless of whether it's necessary or not, it's better. Nobody is criticizing the spread itself, but rather the idea of using it. I can think of plenty of reasons why we shouldn't use the manga panel instead, and there is no reason why one can't be used in the plot section and one in the abilities section. Yachiru and co.'s pics aren't used because they are exceptions to any particular rule - there was never a rule in the first place. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  01:49, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well now there will be. This is the bases of the argument, first its none related color panels then anything will be allowed in the pages. He is not in the position shown once in the manga and its not showing something that we as of yet will never see in the manga or anime. So there is no point to it other then a few people dont feel like doing what they are supposed to do when people place incorrect information in the articles. Whats next are we gonna be placing movie and video game pics in for all the stuff we haven't seen yet? Once again where is the line drawn. We dont allow movies, video game or opening or closing anime sequence pics. Then you wanna make the argument that we can us the color panels cause they are used in the zanpakuto sections of three lieutenants. The reality is this we have neither ever seen those three use a zanpakuto or truly seen one in the manga or anime. The pics whether color or not depict them with one. The same can't be said of Ichigo's color panel. We have perfectly good manga images of him in the FGT. Is there gonna be question of the actual color used of course there is its in black and white. There is always a question least there is a pic that details the colors originally came up to refute anyone who says different. Do they need to be in the article or should they be, no. As stated this panel took place just how we dont use a movie shot to showcase an attack we know of but have never seen or dont have any good shots of. --<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  14:25, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Species after 423
Now that Ichigo's officially lost his powers as well as his reiatsu, shouldn't his species information be changed? --Brain Ou XD 21:55, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

I agree that we may want to consider removing that he is a Visored. Ltjuno (talk) 22:57, October 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah I agree with that also since he is not even able to sense spiritual presences anymore. Even if he did have that inner hollow witch I kinda doubt he would still no longer be a Visored. Darthwin (talk) 01:21, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

It is reasonable to state that Ichigo has become human, more so then he previously was as he now has no spiritual powers at all and is no longer spiritually aware. As such his designation has been changed until it otherwise changes. --<font color="4169E1" size="2px">Salubri <font color="4169E1" size="2px">(Talk)  04:03, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Page Organization
I was on One Piece wiki browsing and noticed how they handle their main character page. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Monkey_D._Luffy Should we turn Ichigo's article like that? It seems a lot less cluttlered and longUmishiru (talk)

No, Ichigo's page follows the manual of style and we do not need tabs as the content is organized well without them.--<font color="#660066" face="Verdana">God <font color="#660066" face="Verdana">(Pray)  21:17, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

I agree Ichigo and everyone else is fine, their page should stay the same, and it is well organized User:Zangetsu20

Age
Shouldn't you add 15 along with 16, and 17 he is 15 in the first chapter. You keep 16 while he's 17 but not having 15 strange. --Cococrash11 (talk) 23:43, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

We keep 16 because he was 16 for the majority of the story. --<font color="#660066" face="Verdana">God <font color="#660066" face="Verdana">(Pray)  00:33, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yet he's been 17 for all of 2 chapters, and that's listed. I think that it's at least worth mentioning that he was 15 at the start of the story. The age section's the only place where it fits. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  01:49, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps that could be added to the trivia sections of each character. We could have the current age listed in the infoboxes, and place the characters age(s) throughout the story under trivia. CJett92 (talk) 01:59, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think we can add the 15, after all it's important to the story. It's the number of Ichigo's room and it's a pun on a possible interpretation of his name: Ichi (1) go (5). And his birthday is on the 15th. Even if we by fact know he was 16 for most of the story, he introduced himself as being 15. So maybe we can have the Age section something like 15, 16 (chapter #--423), 17(chapter 424) or something like that. Though it could become too long and we'd have to apply it to every one in Ichigo's group. I don't know, but I too think that the 15 should be added somehow. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  02:27, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well, the way it was a long time ago with Ichigo and everyone else in his group (minus Rukia, since she only gave an estimate on her age), we had Ichigo's age previously listed as 15-16, since his birthday passed in-story. I wouldn't see the problem of bringing it back this way, but this is only assuming that Salubri and Yyp are in agreement to it. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  02:31, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Arrancar's idea seems to be the most practical, as it reflects the passage of time just fine, and is more concise. His birthday is already listed, so it's easy enough to put two and two together if you follow the passage of time in the series. Mohrpheus   (Talk)  05:14, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think the changes in his age over the course of the story should be listed. I agree with Lia that somewhere it should be placed for his changes in age for 15, 16, and 17 years old. But, I also agree that this would clutter the info box for Ichigo's age. And, that it should not be placed there, and Trivia doesn't seem like the ideal place to put something like that either. Ltjuno (talk) 05:06, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think it is fine as is because we already have trivia points on the 15--<font color="#660066" face="Verdana">God <font color="#660066" face="Verdana">(Pray)  06:25, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Which are kinda contradictory. The trivia points say the 15 is a reference to his age, yet the Age section never mentions 15. Actually the article never mentions he was ever 15 years old except for that Trivia point. I think Arrancar's proposal would be the best if Yyp and Salubri approve of it. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  06:33, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think listing his age as 15-17 would be the simplest solution, with a reference given for his current age. The plot section already deals with the passage of time, and as I mentioned above, his birthday is given, so there shouldn't be any question as to when he got older. The trivia section is only meant for information that doesn't fit anywhere else in the article. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  12:21, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Seeing as this discussion has been pending for over three months, I'll change the age to 15-17, as per Arrancar's approval. Mohrpheus   (Talk)  16:34, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Excessive Information
Just looking at Ichigo's page, I can't help but notice that a ton of information is being placed in Ichigo's for every new chapter that is released, considering how little is actually done in these chapters. While all the information does relate to Ichigo, at this rate his page will be twice the current length before this "mini-arc" has concluded. Any thoughts? Prophet of Sanghelios (talk) 05:22, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

His page is going to undergo a text reduction. If no one claims it by the time I am finished with Aizen's then I will do it--<font color="#660066" face="Verdana">God <font color="#660066" face="Verdana">(Pray)  05:23, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, thanks for the clarification. If I had the time I would do it myself, but sadly that isn't the case right now. Prophet of Sanghelios (talk) 05:26, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Page is too Long
I was reading Ichigo's Page and I noticed something, it is too long (Atleast 10 pages) Now I feel that this page is not inviting to anybody who wants to have a casual read about Ichigo. I was wondering if there is a way to Hide sections, and also remove too much of Unwanted information ? Krishnaisme (talk) 08:42, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ichigo is the main character of Bleach. Also if your on the site you and anyone else should understand that this is a comprehensive sight about Bleach. In other words its meant to be long by the very nature of the importance of the character, certain sections "filler arcs" have been hidden and if you want to casually read I would suggest reading the little bit of information on Wikipedia. --<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  10:08, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ichigo and Kaien Resemblence
Just want to point out that the only time Ichigo resembling Kaien is brought up is when Byakuya mentions that "this young man does indeed bare a striking resemblence to him" in episode 17 after the battle. The "him" obviously indicates Kaien in retrospect although I did not notice it the first time around. Maybe Byakuya's comment should be added to the trivia section under the similar bullet point. Glfootballmlb21 (talk) 11:45, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Firstly, it is also brought up in the bridge, when Ukitake appears and is surprised by Ichigo's appearance. Again, Byakuya tells him not to be confused, that Ichigo is not "that person" (Kaien). But both points would be junk trivia, they're barely worth mentioning. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  18:53, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Just curious, what episode did that occur in? I do not have a very good memory. Glfootballmlb21 (talk) 03:56, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Manga Chapter 117. Translations vary, but Ukitake is surprised by Ichigo's appearance and asks Byakuya who he is, Byakuya just brushes it off. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  04:27, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, I never noticed that instance. Glfootballmlb21 (talk) 00:33, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Substitute Shinigami Badge
Should it be noted that his badge is going to be used as the focus for his Fullbring, even though it's debatable whether he can use it or not? Aeron Solo wuz here (talk) 16:25, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Not until he actually uses it for Fullbring (if he does). Mohrpheus  (Talk)  18:41, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Afliation Status
Discussion Closed }}
 * result=Ichigo is at best a ally of Xcution though not a member

Should Ichigo's status officially be changed to/added as a Xcution member? He seems to have joined them. 04:12, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

No he hasn't he just agreed to work with them, otherwise we would have already changed it if that was the case. Ichigo doesn't join groups if he has a choice. Besides the fact that the group is made up a certain type of human.--<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  04:21, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

New abilities
Shouldn't Ichigo's power's that he gained from training in Dangai be moved to a separate section on his ability page? It's kinda of confusing for those who read to all that compreesed in the Bankai. All the other character pages list their powers and upgrades from basic to stronger. So it's kinda confusing seeing all the powers from the Final Getsuga on the bankai part and then read the Hollowfication part. If someone takes the reading structure literally it'll look like the Hollowfication is even stronger than the powers of the Final Getsuga. Thoughts? Darksusanoo (talk) 17:08, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

The powers Ichigo gained after training in the Dangai are a part of his Bankai. Putting them anywhere else is misleading. --

Godisme is correct. Im not entirely sure in what way your reading it but it seems to be wrong. The only thing going from basic to stronger is the zanpakuto section of the powers and abilities section and that follows on any shinigami's article, shikai to bankai. Ichigo's powers in his fight verses Aizen are an advancement of his bankai. The final getsuga tensho is a technique just like the average version it had nothing to do with his upgrade, plainly seen in him having to initiate its use like a regular getsuga tensho. Any increase in power is due to greater understanding between him and his zanpakuto spirit and the equivalent of 3 months of training non-stop. Its is detailed as such as the final getstuga is essentially him activating the power and taking on that new look (becoming the getsuga) and attacking aizen and then losing his powers. Everything else is outside that and placed in the correct respective places. --<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  17:37, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't a new section be made under powers and abilities regarding ichigo's fullbring?Cmcwiki (talk) 23:07, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

His Fullbring is located under his equipment section due to using his badge for his fullbring.--

I suggest that his Fullbring be listed in a new Powers and Abilities section if they were to undergo another transformation. superlogan7437 (talk) 15:19, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Trivia
It seems the trivia in this article is getting a bit long and pointless. (I think) the last 4 bullets are junk, esp. since two of them aren't even cited.

I was also wondering, reguarding last chapter, do you consider Ichigo to have Fullbring or are you waiting for more information to list his new abilities? Benihime101 (talk) 20:31, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

I would actually agree with this. Two of those points are just minor mistakes in clothing, maybe the first could stay. The second two came from an omake so I don't think those are very relevant.

As per your second question, yes ichigo is a Fullbring user and his abilities are already listed on his page--

I agree too. The last two trivia are based on anime omakes & rather junky imo. The 2 before it are of no interest as far as I'm concerned, but I'll leave that up to others to decide. 22:31, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

With regards to the trivia "Ichigo claims that his name comes from: ichi for first prize and go for guardian angel, although his father told him that his name means "he who protects." ", I think Ichigo was clarifying how to write his name in kanji, rather than interpreting what his name means, since the pronouciation of his name could lead to multiple combinations (such as 'ichigo' being mistaken as strawberry etc.) SakuraKarakura (talk) 20:16, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Episode 310 update
So, how do we go about updating the parts about Ichigo's Shinigami power loss process to match the changes in the episode? I get the feeling that exercise of "artistic license" on Studio Pierrot's part might be for the sake of the next filler arc(s) to give time for the manga to progress sufficiently far enough, BTW. MarqFJA (talk) 19:55, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

This is one I am rather unsure of. Obviously the manga is what is canon and that should remain but we have never had a situation where the anime entirely rewrote established events. A filler arc is coming so I think it might be best to put the 310 information under the filler arc since it will be labeled as non canon. Other ideas would be a big help here.--

That's reasonable. Waiting for at least a couple of episodes wouldn't hurt anyone, and there's no telling if the anime would just retcon that part to realign itself with the manga after the fillers are finished - they did something similar with the ending of "Ichigo vs. Grimmjow, Round 3" after all.

In the meantime, we could save some time by comparing the different translations of that part of the episode's script in order to pin down the exact anime/manga differences and reduce the probability of translator errors. Does anyone have an idea on how to get the transcript of the original episode? MarqFJA (talk) 20:21, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Fullbring
Ichigo had just use his Fullbring ability when will someone include it in the article? --Cococrash11 (talk) 23:09, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind but shouldn't it be next to the Zanpakto and Hollow section with == == ?--Cococrash11 (talk) 23:12, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

It's not particularly important, so this doesn't need to go in. But I kind of noticed something: Both times Ichigo's energy spin was shattered, it possessed three and, what I think was four, black lines as the "spokes" of its wheels; and that was roughly the number of spins that Jackie could shatter. Jackie mentioned that its spins ranged from six to three; the number of lines we've seen so far have been six to three. Could these lines be what it means by "spins?" Aeron Solo wuz here (talk) 16:32, April 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably is, yes. Mangastreams translations seem to be a bit more out than normal lately. We'll likely know better on Sunday-Tuesday as Cnet and Ju-Ni release their translations 20:53, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, it really should be somewhere other than the equipment section, seeing as Ichigo just used the Fullbring equivalent to a flash-step- a power not related to his badge. It's also a very important plot point if only as a means of restoring his Shinigami powers, and at this moment is one of his abilities and not a piece of equipment. Magugag (talk) 04:09, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, it really should be somewhere other than the equipment section, seeing as Ichigo just used the Fullbring equivalent to a flash-step- a power not related to his badge. It's also a very important plot point if only as a means of restoring his Shinigami powers, and at this moment is one of his abilities and not a piece of equipment. Magugag (talk) 04:09, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Now that Ichigo has demonstrated Fullbring abilities not tied to his badge, I agree that it should be moved to a different section, especially so that it'd match the format of the other Fullbringers' articles. However, this would conflict with the "Former Powers and Abilities" section, so I'd say we should wait for the time being. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  04:24, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * It is trick but it needs to be done. I think we should either make a new Powers & Abilities section above the Former P&A section or A Current Powers & Abilities section. It has advanced beyond just the badge now so it needs to be noted as such.--


 * It was convenient at the time, so that's why I listed it there. But I agree; his Fullbring has gone past the badge, ie: Bringer Light or whatever it was. I say leave the part about it being the fullbring focus in there but put the Fullbring powers unrelated to the badge itself under, as God suggested, under "Current Powers & Abilities. Aeron Solo wuz here (talk) 16:49, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * With consent from the admins, I'd be okay adding the new Powers & Abilities section in. I don't think it'd be too hard to transfer the Fullbring stuff over to the proper section. --- Ten Tailed Fox 22:26, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

I took it upon myself to move the information into a Current Powers & Abilities section. If anybody objects, it's just a matter of reverting it. Something I've noticed is that formatting the section was a tad weird, since Fullbring is the first case of an ability that serves as the source of both a specific power and a range of different abilities (i.e. Fullbring focus vs. enhanced speed). Mohrpheus  (Talk)  06:21, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

In this case it seems very premature to jump to the conclusion that anything should change. There is no indication and in fact reason to believe that any fullbring ability he has is temporary (as the point is getting back his shinigami powers) as well as the fullbring capability is tied to his badge thats no question. Now what he just did in this past chapter is ambiguous at best. The understanding of what he did is no clear as usual the translations are subpar on this point. We need far more to go on.--<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  17:45, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Updating Ichigo's page to include the Gotei 13 Invasioin Army arc
While was my additions removed? Ichigo has clearly shown himself in this new anime filler arc. Steveo920, 17:01, April 14, 2011

Simple, you used out of universe wording.-

What's that mean? Could you please explain so I can correct that problem? Steveo920, 17:15, April 14, 2011

Out of Universe wording is wording that uses phrases such as "In the Soul Society arc" or "In Episode 260." Phrases like these are considered out of universe and should be avoided, hope this helps. IamJakuhoRaikoben 22:53, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Previous Race
Well Ichigo is Human since he lost his powers. Well why not write that he was once Shinigami, and Visored in the Character Template like he chapter 1 to something. --Cococrash11 (talk) 20:21, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

The infobox does not have a previous race parameter and there is no need really to add one. It already says on his plot what he used to be.--

Just a Thought
This is just a thought, but wouldn't some of Ichigo's former powers & abilities still be relevant to his current powers and abilities as he is now? I really mean his intellect and growth rate specifically when I say that. Those are skills, that while developed and honed as a Shinigami during battle, he has continued to use them even after losing his Vizard powers. Shouldn't those at the very least be listed in his current abilities? <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  17:04, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * That makes sense to me. It could be used to explain how Ichigo managed to get his Fullbring so quickly. Even if it has no bearing on what he's done so far as a human, it could come up later. Furthermore, some things such as being a good "hand-to-hand combatant" he wouldn't have lost with his Shinigami powers. Kingofdanerds (talk) 16:26, April 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, his Hakuda skills would need to be reworded so it wouldn't contain anything related to his Shinigami abilities, such as him beating three lieutenants bare-hand or catching his opponents sword bare-hand as well. A lot of the content his hand-to-hand section contains is relevant to his human state anyway. But his intelligence and growth rate would still remain, especially in light of Chad's comments in the latest chapter indicating Ichigo's growing mastery of his Fullbring powers. Better to see what others think first, so there's no problems, though. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  18:23, April 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * His intellect and growth rate could possibly be put into his current powers and abilities but everything else is a Shinigami ability, including his Hakuda.--


 * That's fair enough, pal. I'll go ahead and add in his growth rate and intellect, then, if its okay with you. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  18:40, April 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Let's wait for an admin or other committee member to chime in. Things like this need consensus.--

Rewording would be needed, not just a simple moving of the paragraphs to another section. The 3rd-5th and final sentences the hand to hand are at least partly to do with his time as a Shinigami and thus should not be under current powers. Intellect is something that could be listed under current alright. Growth rate is more complicated though as it talks so much about his Shinigami and Hollow powers. Probably it could be moved with some rewording, but I'd like to see what Salubri has to say on the matter first. 08:25, April 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * If re-wordings the problem, we could always leave the growth rate as is on his former powers & abilities and simply write a new one for his current based solely on his Fullbring and related skills. It'd remove the problem of re-wording, and leave the growth rate for his time as a Visored in-line with his other former powers for anyone reading that section. And since it would be dealing with new information from the latest chapters and arc, you wouldn't be repeating whats already there, either. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  09:07, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

My basic issue with this idea is the moving around of content and the fact that its becoming quite clear that Ichigo's page is gonna be forced to be longer in relation to this change. For one we don't know when this whole fullbring thing is gonna end. The most dangerous aspect in the storyline is Ichigo isn't what he used to be. Beyond that we do know that the final result and point of the current storyline is to return Ichigo's Shinigami powers to him. The biggest issue here is that unnecessary maneuvering of information and the like just complicates matters. Eventually fullbring will be listed under former powers too so what to do in the mean time. It would seem to me the case would be to separate the points with Natural Abilities (Intellect, growth rate, hand to hand combat, enhanced speed, enhanced strength); Shinigami Abilities (swordsmanship, shunpo, spiritual power, enhanced strength, durability). What was also done here is placed enhanced strength under both shinigami and natural. There are instances of enhanced strength as a human and a shinigami. Seperating them shouldn't be an issue as they are already referenced. The rest of the strength instances or hand to hand natural abilities can be confirmed in the skills he still possesses as a human which is shown in the latest arc. This way there is a precedent for abilities he will always maintain as a trained human. There will be skills he has a shinigami.--<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  18:16, April 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * To help alleviate any confusion I have already set up the layout of what Im talking about, hopefully that helps. --<font color="00A86B" size="2px">Salubri <font color="00A86B" size="2px">(Talk)  18:27, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

zangetsu
I think under former powers that zangetsu's power should be Temperary Stop of Blood Loss or something because in his battle with kenpachi zangetsu says " I can't stop the bleeding for long"

Tsukishima to be added as a Relative along with Ichigo's other family?
Considering the revelations of the latest chapter, should Ichigo's relative list be expanded to include Tsukishima as well? And likewise with Tsukishima's list? Deadtheory (talk) 11:42, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

I doubt that Tsukishima is a true relative, I think he used the fact that "Grandpa Rin" died years ago and thus they wouldn't remember him. Other wise Ichigo, the oldest child, would have recognized him before this as a cousin. However, we can always add Ichigo's grandfather now. Apparently his name is Rin and he died at a time where the younger sisters can still remember it. Since all of Isshin's past is being cloaked in secrecy, I doubt it is his father. Although there is nothing to prove that it is Masaki's father either. The Platinum Shadow (talk) 13:20, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Nothing has been confirmed thus far, not even if Ichigo's grandfather was called Rin because Ichigo hasn't confirmed that either!! We'll just leave this until further notice since we all know Tsukishima's powers are still a mystery!! SunXia  (Chat)  16:26, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

It is fully stated that this is manipulation by Tsukishima and he is not a real family member.--<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  16:13, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Species Trivia?
I was wondering if we should put down the fact that his unique status kept Inaba from cloning him under "species status. It's true, but it's anime only information, so I'm asking first before posting. <font color="grass" size="2px">Aeron Solo wuz here <font color="gold" size="1px">(If you wanna talk)  23:21, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Eh, I would put under the Reigai page instead of on here.--

Badge
Don't know how to do it, so may as well say it: I think we need a pic for Ichigo's badge when it's in Fullbring mode now. We just say it's "different." Might be a little helpful, because the changed markings are difficult to describe. <font color="grass" size="2px">Aeron Solo wuz here <font color="gold" size="1px">(If you wanna talk)  00:58, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a look, where you talking about during his first fullbring?--


 * Oh, I see what you are saying now that I look. I don't think we have room to put a picture. That section is already clogged up with three pictures of his three forms.--
 * Doesn't need to be under his fullbring. It could be placed under his badge, since it's the badge that changes. <font color="grass" size="2px">Aeron Solo wuz here <font color="gold" size="1px">(If you wanna talk)  01:09, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Alright but we are going to have to wait. The only shot of it right now has the frame at an angle so it would look really weird if we were to put it on the article. It will likely reappear next chapter.--

RE: Saigo no Getsuga Tenshō
It is said that using this technique Ichigo would lose all of his shinigami powers. However, that's not it. He also lost all of his reiyoku and reiatsu.

Being a shinigami and having high reiyoku are two different things. Even an average human has a certain amount of reiyoku. Orihime, Karin and Sado etc. are not Shinigami but they still possess high reiyoku. Therefore, Ichigo from being spiritual aware to attaining shinigami powers and finally when he was stripped of both, is not called "losing his shinigami powers" but losing both his shinigami powers and his innate reiyoku and reiatsu.

Requested change:

"It is referred to as the “Final” Getsuga Tenshō because if Ichigo uses it, he loses all of his Shinigami powers [and all of his innate reiyoku and reiatsu]."

It was confirmed by Ginjo that all of Ichigo's reiatsu left him after they have completed Ichigo's fullbring.

Wintersbreath (talk) 04:14, July 17, 2011 (UTC)WIntersbreath

Fixed. --<font color="00BFFF" size="2px">Salubri <font color="1E90FF" size="2px">(Talk)  16:13, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

One of the strongest characters
Is it worth mentioning that Ichigo in his Saigo no Getsuga Tenshō form is one of the strongest characters (maybe even the strongest) revealed in the series so far. After all he was able to EASILY defeat Aizen, a feat achieved by no one.

Aizen himself had said that Ichigo's power was way above his because he couldn't sense it. Aizen had also effortlessly owned the Gotei 13, Gin, Urahara, etc. BUT he couldn't own Saigo no Getsuga Tenshō Ichigo.

We do not list things like that. We don't know how strong Ichigo was in that form as he only ever fought Aizen's Hogyoku form, who never fought anyone else. There is no comparison to be made. We have no idea exactly how strong he was.--

That's barely even Trivia information!! It's already been brought up that he gained unimaginable power but using terms like strongest is something only Kubo can confirm and only then we would only list it as a mini-fact somewhere else!! SunXia  (Chat)  17:51, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Also, please remember to sign your posts. This can be done by typing  ~  at the end of your message, thanks.

Ichigo's species after 459
i wonder what species to refer ichigo to because it seems his fullbring and shinigami powers have fused. would he be classified as shinigami?

Id say its safe to call him a Human/Shinigami again. Ill wait for an admin to chime in though to make sure they are okay with this.--

I guess this is always something people will disagree on until Ichigo becomes a fulltime shinigami. Until then, let's categorize him as human/shinigami for the sake of compromise, Though, personally I think he should be seen as a shinigami right now. The reason behind this is simple: though he has a living body (let's assume the explosion/transformation in 459 hasn't killed his body), he is technically already dead. Let's face it, his soul chain is already severed, and his body acted already like a gigai. If he wouldn't have returned to his body in the past, and had remained a soul reaper 24/7, he wouldn't have been called a human, but a shinigami. And even if his mother was a human, that doesn't mean he classifies as a hybrid automatically if he would move to soul society. Such reasoning would have consequences for how you classify other shinigami. Not all of them are born in Soul Society. Secondly, even when Ichigo had lost his powers, he still had a severed soul chain at that point in time (unless you can evidence that it has reattached itself, but that would have contradicted with the article about this chain). Therefor in my opinion he should have been called a plus before 459. But I can see why people who don't want to think about it too much still want to call him a human because of his body (assuming is hasn't been evaporated in the blast) that still around instead of a gigai. 100%Alcohol (talk) 11:44, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

His soul chain might have been severed but his body is still living otherwise he still wouldn't be aging like a normal human does!! If he was dead his body would be decomposing!! SunXia  (Chat)  12:09, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well, Ichigo no longer has his fullbring after it was absorbed in an earlier chapter, and he "killed" his Hollow. So really, a Substitute Shinigami/Human. After seeing the above comments (especially SunXia's), he is probably now a Shinigami, since his chain of fate was seen when he got his shikai. 私プロフィール 話してください 17:49, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Let's not forget, up until now, everyone has been calling Ichigo a human (even while he was a Shinigami.) Truth is, I think Ichigo is only a Shinigami while in spirit form - and even then, he still seems to be referred to as a human by most. Also, I doubt Ichigo's body was vaporised, otherwise it likely would have been when he changed the first time. What I want to know is why he looks different (His Shinigami form seems to have taken on traits from his Fullbring for some reason, although I guess it's also possible it was just Kubo altering his appearance for a more cosmetic reason.) Dead Tom (talk) 13:04, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

He has no fulbring powers anymore, his shinigami abilities come in when he's in plus form (spirit) and human when his soul re-enters his body ergo he is human, fullbring is an ability that humans gain I can't say anything about fusing the two, but since it hasn't happened HE IS HUMAN, ISSHIN DOES THE SAME EXACT THING WITH HIS SHINIGAMI FORM, I don't think that he's a human shinigami hybrid he is just human and can have some force his soul out of his body to use the massive spiritual eenrgy gained through lineage (his father). So just drop it why is this concept so difficult. I apologise for the outburst but this has been going on for years it's ridiculous. SalmanH  (Talk)  13:42, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Ichigo has been stated by Aizen and Ginjo to be a hybrid. No ordinary human can be born with latent shinigami powers, look at it this way ancient demigods were half god half human in the sense they were neither real humans or gods but parts of both. ichgo is the same way. Rayzure (talk) 22:48, August 19, 2011 (UTC)