User talk:Yyp

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Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Arrancar109 (Talk) 19:53, 22 June 2009

Filler changes
Ok, I'm going to be doing a few things about the filler stuff I was mentioning, just to see if you guys are OK with the general idea. I can think of a reason why it wouldn't be OK, since all I'm trying to do is clarify which characters and scenes are manga canon and which aren't in an attempt to make this wiki more accurate and usable as a trustworthy source for Bleach info, but we'll see I guess, every time I bring it up certain people get really mad like I'm attacking them personally, when all I'm really trying to do is make this site better. Thanks. CorpusDei 00:44, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I did a few more before I got that last message from you. Namely, all of the anime only characters that begin with the letter "A".
 * Aida
 * Aldegor
 * Shūsuke Amagai
 * Ashisogi Jizō (spirit)

Also, I filled out the page for "filler" (it already existed but was blank for some reason), that explains the term further, here: http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Filler. I'm having trouble linking the "anime only" and "movie only" sections with a text only link using the "internal link that shows different text" method suggested in the wiki help page. I think it has something to do with the fact that they are category pages, not regular pages. If that could be fixed so that the entire link doesn't have to be visible, that would be great. Also, a "category:Videogame only characters" page should be created, if only to keep our information consistent. I would be willing to make that page if no one else is interested.

Where on the forums should I post to say what I've done and explain why? I've brought this up in the past in certain characters talk pages, and some people were really hostile about it, but I think it's in the best interests of this wiki to make an obvious distinction between what is manga canon and what is filler. Thanks for your help. CorpusDei 01:10, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

I'm willing to wait and see what the other admins have to say. Like I just posted in the thread about it, I'm not trying to change the text or body of information on any of the articles, all I want to do is add the blurb at the top to make it clear that the information being presented is based on filler. I don't want this to turn into a situation where it becomes anime fans vs. manga fans, all I want to do is clarify what characters are based on manga canon, and which are anime, movie or videogame only filler. I will wait for more admins to chime in before adding the blrub to any more articles. Also, I'm willing to to do more edits or changes to whatever needs to be done on here, I have nothing but time on my hands if there are other things on the wiki that need to be done. Just let me know. CorpusDei 01:57, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Also, the links in the filler page are still bad, they don't link to the articles. That's the problem I was having, it tries to link to a page that doesn't exist, for some reason it adds the bar to the link, so instead of going to http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Anime_Only_Characters, it goes to http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Anime_Only_Characters| <with the bar at the end. I just changed the anime only one to the redirect page (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Anime_Only_Characters), that seems to work, it seems that the only way to do the text only link from within the site is to use the double bracket "title of article" close double bracket, which wont work for the category pages since they aren't titled like regular articles. We'll need to make redirects to the movie and videogame pages for the other links to work like the anime one currently does, unless you have a better or less convoluted way to do it. CorpusDei 02:10, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I'm going to add the characters to those lists, although I think having the exact same list twice is going to be frowned upon by wikia if they ever get wind of it. CorpusDei 03:09, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Just like I thought, Salubri and TwoCents apparently decided that I am wrong, and Tinni went and undid all of my page edits. Not really surprising, since as I said they were all really hostile about it when I brought it up before, but still, pretty disappointing. I would like to thank you, though, for at least taking it into consideration and not just blowing up about it when I first brought it up. CorpusDei 06:36, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Hey! Stop making it sound as if I acted independently! I saw that Arrancar109 was undoing the changes so I helped him out with it. Plus the vote appears to be 3 admins against, I don't actually know if Yyp was voting for or just abstaining but basically the issue was carried in favour of, we have enough signs already and we don't need something that did in fact add an unnecessary line above the first line of the article that already said "anime only". Tinni 07:48, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * For the record, I don't feel it is necessary as we already have it mentioned several times on all of the filler characters pages that they're anime- or whatever-only. The blurb does not look good there. Also, on the pages that already have a small blurb at the start of them (the Zanpakuto spirit pages) having two blurbs looks really bad, imo. So while I'm in favour of having anime-only characters clearly labelled as such, I think that blurb is not the way to go. --Yyp 13:02, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Edits
Then prove it otherwise you didn't see one with the right translation. No one makes an untranslated insult it would defeat the purpose. So whats the translation if it's wrong.Salubri 14:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Im not talking about the manga translation. Im talking about at least one instance of the anime. Which is also what the technique is referenced in. but considering how i can only find instance of it ill concede the point.Salubri 15:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Academy
The academy is detailed in the training section of the shinigami page just so you know.Salubri 23:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Status of the Espada
If you are really all that concerned about it, I shall change it to this below.

"_____________ is also only one of four Espada whose current status has been confirmed to be 'alive'. The other three are ___________, ______________, and __________. Grimmjow Jeagerjaques' current status has still been unconfirmed whether or not he is alive or deceased.

And Also, let me get this straight. These are the status's right?

Starrk- alive; currently in battle
 * Espada

Barragan Luisenbarn- alive; currently in battle

Tia Harribel- alive; currently in battle

Ulquiorra Cifer- deceased; killed by Ichigo Kurosaki and Orihime Inoue

Nnoitra Jiruga- deceased; killed by Kenpachi Zaraki

Grimmjow Jeagerjauqes- defeated by Ichigo Kurosaki; unconfirmed

Zommari Leroux- deceased; killed by Byakuya Kuchiki

Szayel Aporro Granz- deceased; killed by Mayuri Kurotsuchi and Nemu Kurotsuchi

Aaroniero Arruruerie- deceased; killed by Rukia Kuchiki

Yammy Riyalgo- alive; currently in battle

Luppi- deceased; killed by Grimmjow Jeagerjaques
 * Former Espada

Neliel Tu Oderschvank- alive; currently in battle

Lilynette- alive; currently in battle
 * Fraccion

Ggio Vega- deceased; killed by Soi Fon

Findor Carias- deceased; killed by Shuehei Hisagi

Charlotte Cuulhorne- deceased; killed by Yumichika Ayasegawa

Nirrge Parduoc- deceased; killed by Marechiyo Omaeda

Avirama Redder- deceased; killed by Izuru Kira

Choe Neng Poww- deceased; killed by Sajin Komamura

Apache- defeated by Shigekuni Genryusai Yamamoto; unconfirmed

Mila-Rose- defeated by Shigekuni Genryusai Yamamoto; unconfirmed

Sun-Sun- defeated by Shigekuni Genryusai Yamamoto; unconfirmed

Tesla- defeated by Kenpachi Zaraki; unconfirmed

Shawlong Quafang- deceased; killed by Toshiro Hitsugaya

Edorad Liones- deceased; killed by Ikkaku Madarame

Ilforte Granz- deceased; killed by Renji Abarai

Nakkim Greendina- deceased; killed by Rangiku Matsumoto

D-Roy Linker- deceased; killed by Rukia Kuchiki

Lumina &amp; Verona- deceased; both eaten by Szayel Aporro Granz

Medazeppi- deceased; killed by Uryu Ishida

Pesche Guitache- alive; currently in battle
 * Former Fraccion

Dondochakka Bilstin- alive; currently in battle

Menoly- defeated by Yammy Riyalgo; unconfirmed
 * Numeros

Loly- defeated by Yammy Riyalgo; unconfirmed

Wonderweiss Margera- alive; about to enter battle

Menis- deceased; killed by Toshiro Hitsugaya and Rangiku Matsumoto

Patros- deceased; killed by Rinrin, Noba, Kurodo, Jinta Hanakari, Ururu Tsumugiya, and Renji Abarai

Aldegor- deceased; killed by Yumichika Ayasegawa and Ikkaku Madarame

IceRinger- deceased; killed by Uryu Ishida

Demona- deceased; killed by Yasutora "Chad" Sado

Dordoni Alessandro Del Soracchio- deceased; defeated by Ichigo Kuorsaki; killed by Rubodone
 * Privaron Espada

Cirucci Thunderwitch- deceased; defeated by Uryu Ishida; killed by Rubodone

Gantenbainne Mosqueda- unconfirmed; defeated by Yasuto "Chad" Sado, healed by Isane Kotetsu; presumed alive.

The Law of Ueki
do you know what the Law of Ueki is if you do sign on to the new just made Law of Ueki wikia on http://lou.wikia.com/wiki/Law_of_ueki_Wiki

Shun Shun Rikka
I've checked around for sources after SlashQueen made the edit again. Many of them that have come from the Character Book do say that Shun'o is a male, so I changed it back. However, if you still have doubts (I admit that I do), ask WhiteStrike about it and see if he has access to the original Japanese character books. I might do it at some point, but to be honest, I don't feel too strongly about it. Still, if it turns out to be wrong, then we can always re-correct it. Arrancar109 23:30, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Forum
So Yyp, where's this forum?--Ethelion 11:38, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. Thanks man.--Ethelion 22:04, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Episode Pages
Aw, thank you so much! It really makes me feel like the time spent was worth it. ^_^ I'm going to do the rest now; I could only do so many at a time last night before it became 3 a.m. and I was crazily opted to sleep instead. Twocents 13:32, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Zaraki/Yachiru
If you want to be so particular and exact, then the article should read "height," not "size." The two words carry a completely different meaning. Whereas "height" is how tall someone or something is, "size" takes into account width, breadth, etc. If what you gave as proof is accurate, your article still is not.--Jrutled3 13:56, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey man. I normally don't do this, but this must be said. Thanks a lot for your contributions and clean-up on the Ichigo's Relationships page, as, stated numerous times, needed heavy maintenance and clean-up. I realize that going through that page was very stressful and apologize for not assisting you in cleaning it up. Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks once again. Arrancar109 16:50, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

"Cut in Two?"
Hey Yyp, where did you get the information that Hiyori has been "cut in two" by Gin? Is the latest chapter (Chapter 377) out already? If it is, could you direct me to it? Thanks.--Ethelion 22:33, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Whoa, that answers a whole lot of questions. Thanks for the link and the info.:)--Ethelion 22:46, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo
Yesterday i posted Ichigo seems to be attractive & is quite popular with the girls. U removed this, which i figured would happen & i don't really need an explanation as to why u did. Still, I feel it should be mentioned somewhere on Ichigos page that he is popular with the girls, I mean even Renji points this out. Minato88 15:59, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Okay thanks. I will read Ichigos synopsis, though if Tinni says its in there then it probably is. Still, could u please tell me who the admins are for this Wikia cause I have no idea. Minato88 16:51, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Thank u for telling me. Its kinda funny, i've known about those three since I got here. Though I didn't know they were the Admins, none of them list this on their talkpage. Minato88 01:36, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Hey, just wanted to say good job on the Ichigo section and on his relationship page. Tinni 15:06, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Mayuri
Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know that about Toshiros fight with gin. So should this be changed. I do have one question though. What is a Zan ability? Minato88 19:55, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion of creating a censorship part for Szayel, I have done this; though I think it needs a good pic like Hallibels page. With that said User:MasterDeva keeps changing Hollow Ichigos page eventhough I pointed out Ichigo is CLEARLY not holding his sword. Is there an Admin online right now whom could help with this minor problem. Minato88 20:43, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

And I have clearly said that Hollowfied Ichigo is holding his sword right before and after he attacked Ulquiorra. Just reread the chapter and you'll notice it too. MasterDeva 20:53, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the remark Yyp I'll do that. I just used the summary area to write a comment regarding the change that's all, I have no intention of starting an edit war. Thanks again. MasterDeva 21:29, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

It's alright you just stated your opinion, there is nothing wrong with that so don't worry, it's fine. I hope that by morning we'll have solved this little dispute, take care. MasterDeva 21:59, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't look like a wing to me, check it out here and tell me what you think, it seems it goes around the SFX and not behind! http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/17496/18?t=1255982167 MasterDeva 19:59, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Ichigo and Ulquiorra
From what i can see Ichigo does have his sword in hand and Ulquirra does loose a arm to him those are facts, whether or not it was cut off or ripped off can't be known as its not shown all you see is the arm coming off and in the part of the scene you dont see the sword, which maybe obscured behind his back. In any case it would seem to fit that it was ripped off as there is nothing to prove that it was cut off with the sword. Stating that he was holding the sword is not the same as stating that he actually used it to cut the arm off which cant be clear. What we do know is that from what is shown it appears that it may have been ripped off by sheer strength alone (logically for the purpose of showing the strength of the new transformation).Salubri 00:03, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Trivia
No problems. Thanks for all the work cleaning-up the trivia sections. Tinni 11:15, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Adminship
Well after going it over with the other admin we have decided to offer you a position as an Administrator on this wiki. If you want to accept then just let me know. Also would like to make you aware of the various upgrades and changes as can be seen on the sidebar. Most of the updates are on the community and forum section check it out.I have already made you aware of the changes and im also looking for some feed back on the colors on this wiki as it is comparatively bland in comparison to others. Check out the policy section and all that to can be as up to date as possible on the site if you haven't already. Oh yea if your feeling up to it feel free to jump on the community portal and start the updates on the bleach wiki Thanks.Salubri 17:10, October 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Since you accepted the offer of administratorship that Salubri gave, I went ahead and changed your user rights to such. Arrancar109 19:55, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Main Page
Salubri and I have been talking about changes to the skin/main page. We thought we’d get your and Arrancar109's opinion on it as well.

To summarize:
 * Above the Featured Article of the Month, we thought there should be a box for the current events of the wiki. It could be archived and referred to on the community portal.
 * We thought we could add Featured Quote of the Month and Featured Picture of the Month as well. At the beginning of each month, we could start a fresh page (like Bleach Wiki:Featured Quote), and users could submit their favorite quotes/pictures, providing a specific page and character reference for the former. Other people could second a particular quote/picture and the one with the most votes wins.
 * We were also thinking of creating a specific color scheme, incorporating the site theme, character infoboxes, navigation boxes and the informative boxes on the front page, since they’re all in so many different colors (grey, purple, burgundy, blue, etc.) and it’d be hard to make a cohesive site theme without making those consistent as well.
 * Specifically, we think all of the navigations should use the same colors. It might be a bit boring, but then they’d all match and look nice. And we wouldn’t have glaring color schemes, like on Template:Dark Ones.
 * Then, we could make the character infoboxes and boxes on the front page using complementary colors to whatever colors are chosen for the navigations.
 * Once all of that is decided, then, we could make the site theme to complement the navigation and infoboxes. We figured this order would be best, since the site theme affects all users online, and we probably don’t want to be switching it up a bunch and driving people bonkers. :P

Thoughts? Twocents 17:28, October 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Current Events: That was Salubri's idea, so I'm not entirely sure myself. I don't want to speak for him, lest I misinterpret it, but I think it'd be things like what are the big discussions on the forum, new pages, etc.
 * Featured Quotes: That's why all quotes would have to be referenced. We could maybe even agree on a preferred scanlation that people use. I think there wouldn't necessarily be a set size, but more like enough to tell what was going on, without quoting the everything that was said. We could say that maybe, it has to be one quote, said without interruption, by one person. From either the manga or anime.
 * Featured Image: From what I understand, this would take place of the current image, which I'm personally fine with. I know it'd definitely be open to manga/anime pictures, and I'm not sure about artbooks/databooks. I don't have a lot of experience with them myself (I can't find English translations for most of them!), so I'd say I'm indifferent on whether we allow those or not. I think we'd also have to keep in mind that we'd need some sort of policy in place so people don't upload tons and tons of photos, especially ones that are essentially the same, but like a few seconds later in the anime.
 * Color scheme: Yay, agreement! Um, I think the thing to decide then, what color palatte we want to use. Looking at the Bleach logo, I'd say maybe blues and/or reds with whites for trim. But I'm open to different options, so long as they aren't colors where it's like, "Have the animators ever even used that particular shade of fuschia?" Twocents 18:10, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

So we agree: If I understand correctly, then I can summarize our decisions for Salubri. :) Twocents 19:43, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Featured Quote: From manga, anime or movies. We will decide on a specific translator (I'm lazy, so I usually go by onemanga.com myself, but if you know of a better/more accurate translator, I'm fine with that). Should we allow any new episodes as well as any new English dub episodes to be available to select from?
 * Featured Photo: Sounds like we think it'd be easiest if we just limited it to manga and anime, and we need to set up a policy on uploading new images for featured pic voting purposes. No fanart, including fan colorings of manga pages. Indifferent toward whether the random picture is left or is removed.
 * Color: Use the logo colors. All navigation, infoboxes and site themes should be in a complementary scheme.

Ok I did a basic design for the main page im liking it I only have issue with the sidebar being too high i have to figure that out but its not too big of a deal. Also the content and current story sections are very small but that can be fixed as well I just have yet to do it until i see what the reaction is to the page over all. The other thing is we might have to put up a background wallpaper like thing but it might not be necessary as well as we might need a banner at the top but still not certain on that. But over all tell me what you think.Salubri 22:33, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Zanpakuto
I didn't know if you saw the edit that Belon21 made to the Zanpakuto page. Ignoring the grammar and spelling errors and the glitch, what do you think of the additional content? I'm a little hesitant about using a filler arc for information on that page, but I didn't want to remove it without another opinion. Twocents 00:32, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

That was kind of what I was thinking too. Thanks for the opinion, Yyp, and for cleaning it up a bit. :) Twocents 16:01, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw it. I'm making some edits to the spoiler policy just so the sentences actually make sense. I think whoever wrote it originally must have done it in a hurry, since there are a lot of misspellings and sentences that don't make any sense whatsoever. I think I've also seen Arrancar109 tell people that adding information from new episodes before a fansub is out is a spoiler, which I think is best since people do look forward to new episodes too, but I'm not really sure what specifically to add or where it would be added on the policy. What do you think? Twocents 16:14, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Nah, I think it's fine. It clearly explains what we expect, so I don't think there will be any confusion over it. Certainly took the wiki long enough to get the anime portion of the spoiler policy formally added, though! Haha, thanks, Yyp. Twocents 16:44, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

I haven't checked to see how it would look on the spoiler page, but I don't think it'd hurt to add an additional warning like that there, for anyone who accidentally stumbles across the page. (I did that once, actually, when I was looking for the spoiler policy before it got added to the sidebar.) Twocents 16:58, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, no! That would be unpleasant. I know some people like reading spoilers in advance, but not me. So yeah, I definitely think it could help, even if it's sort of ridiculous like putting the entire page into that spoiler thing. Twocents 17:24, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Redirects
While I have your attention, I've been noticing that some people are adding a lot of redirects that I can't imagine ever being used. (I.e. misspelled words, a random word that could relate to more than one thing or nothing at all, using every possible version of a title that may or may not ever be used/seen in a translation.) What's your opinion on this? I kind of wonder if those people are doing it for the sake of increasing edit count or what. But I don't think most of the recent redirects are intuitive, because they contain terms or weird variations on phrases that I've, at least, never seen used before on this wiki or elsewhere. Do you think there maybe needs to be a redirect policy? I'm fine with things like redirecting Chapter 128 to the official title of the chapter or whatever, but it's annoying to wade through pointless, and likely never-to-be-used, redirects to try to find pages/edits that need our attention. Twocents 16:50, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

I think there may be a couple other people who do it occasionally, but I'm not sure they do it with the same regularity. Like User:Lol pie. You can see some of the redirects she(?) made yesterday, and I was staring at them trying to figure out how "Great Fall," for example, related to Barragan's Zanpakuto. While I finally figured it out (Spanish meaning for Gran Caída), I can't imagine anyone else would think to search for that phrase in order to look up Barragan. I think some redirects are useful, but I'm not sure every possible variation of every chapter title, for example, is useful. If I was going to search for a chapter, I'd put "Chapter 13" or whatever. I wouldn't look up the chapter's kanji and search that way. I think the other problem is some of the redirects, like "Suspicion" or "Breathe" could relate to a variety of chapters or characters or other scenarios and it's not useful to redirect such a general word or term to something so specific. I'll bring it up with Salubri and Arrancar109 though, and see what their thoughts are. Twocents 17:24, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Salubri and Arrancar109 told me to make a policy about the redirects, so that way, when we talk to users, we can refer them to the policy, and it'll be more official. (Rather than, "That admin's making it up.") I didn't know what to put for the "failure to follow" part, but I figured there should be some sort of consequences, or people won't care that the policy exists. Let me know what you think! (Replacing my obnoxious scroll box with a link: Bleach Wiki:Redirect Policy :D) Twocents 19:32, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Tuesday's a busy day for me too. I was thinking the same thing - nothing too harsh. I was leaning toward maybe they'd get spoken to about it (I posted something on both of the users' pages we mentioned) and that they should be warned that if they do it, they risk having their redirects being deleted (I went through and deleted a bunch today). But I felt the same way - leave the specifics to the people with the most experience! Thanks for the input, Yyp. ^_^ Twocents 00:52, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

RE:Reference style
Well thats a first i havent really seen it but it doesn't seem that italic is the common way so it would probably make more sense to change them to standard and take off the italic.Salubri 17:18, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Im sorry i misunderstood your question but your right the Bleach in italic is the correct form and the standard any reference that isn't should be changed to that.Salubri 04:18, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
Taking whole sections out of a article like that one guy was doing to the vizard page, there is no excuse for that and its blatant vandalism to do so, people like that should be blocked for 3 months to a year which is up to you which but im not gonna go about being lenient and giving a warning.Salubri 18:27, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Gotei 13 Division Speciality
I think I just found the guys source. http://soulpurify.darkbb.com/gotei-13-c4/. *sigh* Tinni 11:27, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Repeated here http://s1.zetaboards.com/bleachforumrp/topic/6975/1/. *sigh* I can't for the life of me determine if any of it is actually based on anything official. Seems like fandom dreaming to me. Tinni 11:30, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

I googled "Gotei 13 division special duties", we were number one. Wikipedia was number two. The two sites I linked were number 3 and 4. I agree with you, fanon has no place in the wiki. Tinni 11:44, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Volumes
So, I've been pondering the issue with the all stars portion of the volume pages. If we don't add

to the end of it, then it runs into the infobox. (On my computer, anyway, they literally overlap.) If we do add clear, then there's an obnoxious amount of white space between the header and the all star box (in my opinion).

So I've thought up a few different alternatives to eliminate the problem:
 * 1) Shrink the image and text size so the all star box and infobox can sit side-by-side. Problem is that it makes the images ugly and hard to see.
 * 2) Put the all star box at the bottom of the page. Problem is that would seem out of place and might get over looked.
 * 3) Break the all star box up into three characters stacked over three characters. We could make the template so it only does three characters at a time, versus six characters, which would help for the volumes that only have three all stars - then we don't have to waste space by putting in boxes for non-existent information. Problem with it, though, is that the manga pages technically have all six in a line, I believe.

That's all I could think of for variables. What are your thoughts? Twocents 17:55, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. Personally, I thought the way the volumes pages looked before was fine, and I don't know why it was decided to combine all the volume and chapter pages. But since I've spent so much time updating everything to the new look, I'm not about to undo my work either. :P (Kinda like I imagine you wouldn't want to overhaul all the episode pages you work so hard on!)

I agree with you that three is probably the best option. It lets both the all star and infobox sit side-by-side and it'll eliminate the problem of wasting space. I forgot that some of the volumes only have four characters. So for the template, then, should we modify it so it only creates one character's box? That way, it'll be more flexible than larger templates are. And we could make two templates: one for where the character is on top and name on bottom and vice versa. Twocents 22:06, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Great! I'll go ahead and do that then. ...You know, after I finish some homework and get supper. Twocents 22:37, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

I finally figured out how the table thing works. I put a first try of one on Goodbye Parakeet, Goodnite My Sista. Is that sort of what you had pictured? I can't figure out how to make multiple templates sit side-by-side each other, so I think we can use the template for most of the volumes, and then copy the table coding from the template and modify it for volumes with fewer all stars. Twocents 23:38, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Totally. I know what I want to make, but I just don't always know what I need to do to make it look like what I need it to. Um, I thought about maybe adding in a line between the top and bottom, but I'm not sure how to do that. I'll see if I can locate a master list of codes. My back-up plan is to make the bottom boxes a slightly different color than the top ones. Like a light grey or something. Because I figured the same thing - while we can figure it out, if a person who's new to the series might be confused. Twocents 00:15, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, a lot of trial and error. I feel bad for anyone who was reading the article while I've been messing around with the template. I couldn't get a horizontal line, but I was able to get a thick top and bottom border for the bordering boxes. It's kind of ugly, but I think it does the trick. You can tell me what you think in the morning. Sleep well! (You must be in Europe? It's not even 8 p.m. where I'm at in the States.) Twocents 00:43, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Yyp! I really think this format is an improvement over the other options. It may not be identical to the layout in the actual volumes, but it still provides the information, which is what's really important. And I think the smaller pics on those two characters will help. Most of the the pictures are similar in size - there might be a couple other characters with larger picture, but I'm not entirely sure - so at least that'll prevent annoyingly obvious disproportionate box sizes. Twocents 01:15, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

List of Arrancar - Status

 * I'm so sorry, Yyp. I didn't realize who had reverted it, until after I undid it! If I had seen in time that it was you, I wouldn't haev because I actually respect you! I'm am truely very sorry, but Tinni was making me mad saying that Hallibel is dead, when she isn't.

Hallibel: Dead or Alive?

 * It's no problem, really! But I am certain that she is NOT dead... will you agree with me?


 * I can see where you and Arrancar109 are coming from, but I still don't see how Hallibel can be dead. Sure, she fell out of the sky with serious injuries, but so have many other characters... I guess the only way we can resolve this issue is by asking the main man himself: Tite Kubo.

hey
can you please delete the pictures that i've recently uploaded due to poor quality. thanks. they are 333.jpg and 334.jpg.--Agate genbu 15:18, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Watercooler
Doing a awesome job i think you got the right idea on how to set everything up. As for the fan fiction stuff delete them dont even give it a thought im sick and tired of seeing them and they have no place on the wiki at all. Guidelines state that outside a users own page its not to be on here and its gotten out of hand just turning a blind eye to them. The same for those that post new one delete it and explain to the user why it was deleted and let it be at that. There already exists a bleach fan fiction wiki and if they wanna do that there or put there thoughts in a blog thats one thing but forums, talk pages and what have you arent the place on this wiki for it. Salubri 17:32, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in replying. I ended up working a lot more yesterday than I had originally thought I would.

1. Makes sense. Then, if people made similar new threads, we could just delete them and add their comments to the main one.

2. Also makes sense. Should we have like a discussion closed template specific for forums that says, "Discussion for this page has been closed. Please see the continued discussion on this topic at -link-"? That way, people won't keep adding to it.

3. Yeah, I think that's a matter of not being too general in our grouping. But since a lot of the topics are similar, it wouldn't be too terrible if an idea or whatever got lost somewhere, since most are essentially repeats of other ideas.

4. Yeah, I think that'd be a good plan. And we could do it after we did our cleaning up.

5. I guess I'd prefer it if there was some sort of policy on what counts as fanfiction versus mere speculation. My problem is that if we leave it up to individuals to decide, some people might be like, "Well, I can see where they legitimately made that leap from the manga," where others might think it's complete junk. At least a policy would allow for standardization in the process, and then people could be referred to it, rather than being offended by a "rogue" admin or something. :P

I also had an offer on my page for help, which I thought I'd run by you. Personally, while it's very nice, I just think if there were too many people doing it, it'd get a little messy. What do you think?

And have you started on anything? Where would it be most useful for me to begin working at? Twocents 18:44, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Awesome! That'd be really great, I think. And it keep things clear for people who like to reread forums. I think Salubri would be able to make a good policy. I'm a little more indifferent, because there are some fanon-esque ones where I can sort of see how they made the leap. I think someone who's a little more annoyed by it, then, would be better at creating the policy, and then that will be easy enough for the rest of us to follow.

That makes sense - because there's no need for us to go over each other's stuff. That'd just be inefficient. Are there specific categories of topics you want to take - for example, you take Shinigami-related ones, I'll do Arrancar-related ones and then we'll see what's left over? I think for grouping, we might be able to figure out with some of the more popular characters whether or not they need separate pages for related, but different topics. Like with Yammy and Ichigo, as you mentioned. If nothing else, we can always go back and see if something looks a little too extensive. How far back are we wanting to go in the forum? I'm not sure how many threads there are, but there's no point in combining forums for dead topics.

The thing with help is that non-admins don't have deletion powers, so they'd have to make a list of all the pages they cleared out and have us go over it and delete everything. I'm not sure how practical that would be, especially since I think you and I are both pretty efficient workers. But whatever you'd prefer is fine with me. Twocents 19:45, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Right, that seems like a good plan. What topics of the forums do you want to take? I really don't care myself. If we do have outside help, though, we have to be sure that they know not to work on same topics as we are.

As far as the template goes, if nothing else, maybe ask Salubri if he can make one? He seems to be able to whip those out so easily! Twocents 20:25, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I'll take Arrancar, Vizard and the any relating to the three defected captains, including the Hogyoku ones. And we can see if there are any left over after that. Twocents 20:40, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

I think they look fine. If I was making them, I probably would have just copied his too! Twocents 21:51, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I think I'm done with the Arrancar, Vizard and three captains. I didn't make as many new comprehensive forums as I could, but looking at some of the old topics, they'd just be completely irrelevant now (like did Wonderweiss break Harribel out or did she break herself out?). I figured if new topics came up on more Arrancar, Vizard or on Gin or Tosen, we could make a forum for all those topics then. Twocents 00:04, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Yea ill handle the policy issue. Salubri 04:17, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Arcs
Looked at the ate saga things and realized they are not entirely progressive and informative so I was thinking about making templates for Fights, Battles and Wars (where applicable). Then giving those areas their own pages in detail of the events that occurred, similar to a detailed plot line of what took place in the fight or battle respectively. Rather then having it simply listed as the arrancar saga or whatever it should probably have its official title even if it is multiple arcs stemming from the same main storyline, instead of shoving them together all under the one heading. Salubri 17:51, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Ok first one is done let me know what you think. Ichigo Kurosaki vs. Ikkaku Madarame. Salubri 05:47, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Main Page
I was wondering if we were going to go ahead and move forward on the Featured Picture and Featured Quote idea. Since it is a new month, it'd be easy enough to start it this month, and then have the first picture and quote for December. And while I'm at it, is there someone who is specifically in charge of the featured article? Maybe there should be. I'd prefer it if we didn't spend a long time in between the start of the month to when we actually update it, especially since we're already getting people questioning where the new featured article is at on Talk:Main Page.

There was also a request to add the Special:NewPages link back to the front page. I could see how keeping a few high-use links there would be handy. Twocents 00:38, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Forums
Hi can ask why all of the articles on the forums being deleted and placed in separate ones?--SalmanH 17:50, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much, it's good to know although I hope it's well thought out, and that you've considered every possibility.--SalmanH 06:01, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Character Profiles
Thanks for the noticing & I have finished up the Espada, Privaron or otherwise, as well as all the Shinigami & Vizards. I'm glad somebody noticed what I have been doing for the past two & a half hours. I stumbled across the layout guide yesterday & I notcied very few pages are actually correct, but I do have one question. Where should the relationship section go? There are many pages with these & they are usually in different order & thus far I have just left them where they are. Minato88 01:00, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thank u so much for u'or help & appreciation. I will go back & re organize any relationship sections that are out of order. :) Minato88 01:06, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Al right, I think I have gotten all the character pages in order, though I could have missed some. For now I will let the other Admins hammer out the issue with the Filler & I am going to bed for tonight. Minato88 02:09, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Filler
I think he (she?) has mentioned it before and after seeing that, I still feel the way I do then. If someone can't figure out from the fact that it already mentions it twice that the character is anime-only, then they have issues we can't help them with. I think the warning is ugly, unnecessary, and any intelligent person should be offended that they need to be "warned" that a character isn't part of the manga, especially when they already have two clear mentions that the character is anime-only, not to mention the general inference of it throughout the articles. Twocents 02:42, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

That's what I said! It's an unnecessary waste of time and space! Tinni 02:50, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

In short: I hate it. Gah, just even knowing that it's on as many articles as it is annoys me; I'm an intelligent individual and I don't need an article to treat me like I'm an incompetent idiot incapable of reading multiple notices saying the same thing. And reading over the forum more carefully, I don't see anyone else going, "Yeah, this is a necessary addition to the wiki! We need to add it now!" Twocents 02:52, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

I looked at it, and I'm with Twocents on it. I don't like the idea of these characters being labeled with that. The intro of being "anime-only" or "game-only" in their intro paragraph is enough. I did look into the forum, Salubri seemed to respond in a similar, more elaborate manner. I don't wish to get involved in the thread now because it seems to have turned into a heavy war now, and I'm seriously thinking about closing it. Arrancar109 07:34, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to know how adding my blurb to the character pages of filler characters is any different that the already added "Note: Events occurring in this arc are only in the anime and do not constitute canon material." message that appears under almost every instance of events of the Bount, Amagai, and Zanpakuto arc events in the canon character pages. I applaud whoever made the decision to add that addendum to the canon character pages, that's exactly what needs to be done to maintain canon continuity for the information on this site. CorpusDei 07:40, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I meant this for him, not you. You can respond to this if you want, but I already gave my 2 cents on the matter (no pun intended), and I seriously don't see why it should be done this way. I've seen Twocents and Salubri's reasons and I agree with them. I'm ending this right here, because I don't want to get involved in this debate any further. This is also why I only told Yyp and did not respond to the thread he linked to me. Arrancar109 07:47, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

I read your response there, and I think it's more than sufficient. I think that the only person who could complain is someone who never read the article, but merely glanced over at it, and even then, they'd be hard pressed to miss something that said "anime-only" somewhere. And if they're complaining over something they never read, they don't really have a leg to stand on anyway. Twocents 19:11, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry
Yo. Sorry about the drama that popped up on your page. I was trying to minimalize it, but it seems to have gotten out of hand anyway. Arrancar109 13:50, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Character Infobox
Would you take a look at User:Captain Donarudo's edit to Izuru Kira's page? I looked at other character pages, and none of them have the kido listed there, but at the same time, I could see how someone might want to know what sort of kido spells the person can use. Thus, I didn't want to remove his edit without a second opinion. Twocents 19:11, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

That was my general inclination too, since if people care that much, they can look up the specific kido pages and see who all is known to be able to do it. But like I said, I could see someone thinking it was a valuable addition, and I didn't want to undo it without a second opinion. Thanks Yyp! Twocents 19:32, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Deleted?
Hey. I think my forum post on the Watercooler was deleted because I can't find it anywhere. Was it deleted? (Havefun221)

Thank you once again! ^^
Hey, thanks for tellng me how to fix the glitch! Hopefully from now on, I won't be as bad at that damn glitch, and I can be better at editing and not have to have people re-edit my edits! ^^;

Book of SOULs
Hey, I notice that you mentioned that you had gotten hold of more translated pages from the Bleach Book of Souls. Maybe I have the link? Thanks in advance. Tinni 14:43, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Tinni 15:13, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Book of souls it lists him as 5'7" i thought that was all fixed i had previously went through the profiles and fixed them a while ago. Salubri 17:10, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Salubri goes with Souls, but I've gone with the Bootleg. Also, he's gone with the English version of Souls, so I'm not entirely sure if height conversions are done correctly (the metric system isn't exactly big here in North America). I've got the Bootleg saved on my computer, so I can help too if you want. Arrancar109 22:46, November 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * You know what? We should probably go with the Bootleg. I know Souls is in the US too, but I found out that the Bootleg came out later, and since there are some differences, this tells me that Kubo went and retconned the original stats. Do you think we should discuss this with Salubri and Twocents? Arrancar109 22:59, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Alrighty, I got a discussion up: Forum:Bootleg vs. Souls. You can put your input there. Also, I limited the discussion to Administrators only. I don't see a need to involve the normal users and new users. Arrancar109 23:28, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Editing help
hey this may sound a bit foolish but it took me a great deal of courage to ask you this ,well I was wondering if you could tell me how to make those tiny lines above a stressed letter for eg:Shunsui Kyouraku see? I still can't do it!please don't laugh but i would be really grateful.thank youAbigail16 17:15, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much..will do you've been a great help thanks again!!!Abigail16 17:28, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Yo, thanks
hey thanks for the credit and rest assured that i will add the summaries of every episode article you put on here.

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Featured Quote/Picture
I can't recall what we said: for the featured quote and picture, as far as the anime goes, since we only accept the ones from this month, are we limiting submissions from the new Japanese episodes? Or can people submit from the new English dubs as well? I noticed there haven't been a lot of contributions (that follow the rules anyway), so I thought it might encourage more if people who followed the English dub strictly could add pictures/quotes from the newly dubbed episodes as well. What do you think? Twocents 02:44, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

I added that to the rules on adding pictures and quotes. Hopefully, it will encourage some more activity. Everything up there currently has been from me, although a few other people added other quotes and pictures, but they didn't follow the rules (such as putting fan art and pictures and quotes from a month or two ago) so they got removed. It makes me wonder if the rules are unclear. Or if people just aren't reading them. Twocents 17:44, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I thought so too, but since I wrote them, of course I know what they're supposed to mean. It's good to have confirmation, though, that they're clear.

I think the logo's fine. You can't really do anything about that. It's not like with a mouse where you could just move it and take another screenshot or find a raw rather than a subbed version. Twocents 19:47, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, maybe people would pay more attention to that. We can change that header.

I think you picked some good screenies. If nothing else, it may encourage more people to upload some more pics throughout the month. I don't expect people to vote yet (if admins voted on these things, I'd personally wait till the end of the month when all possible options are displayed before voting), but it'd be nice if it could become more like a community mini-project rather than just us admins laying stuff out for people to pick from. Twocents 20:12, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for "welcome" from your bot
I saw in RecentChanges that your bot welcome new editors and help create user pages. This is cool! I have own Wikis (Wiki o Kurowie - Wiki about Kurów with article about Kurów in 330 languages and dialects) and I'm an administrator in 2 others projects. I love 3 animes - Dragon Ball, Naruto and Bleach, so I go on Bleach Wikia because is better than Polish Bleach Wikia (Polish BW made stupid children so is very poor). I watched all anime episodes of DB, I'm watching Naruto (I saw all episodes and chapters of manga at the moment) and I'm watching now 135th episode of Bleach (I've started it 2 months ago). I'm a student so I haven't a lot of time but if I'll watch mistake, I change mistake. Pietras1988 DYSKUSJA 11:44, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Images
Hey Yyp thanks for the help with the Ō I had not even noticed that it was right under my nose but I need help again. Well I've been writing the articles for the Fight pages and I just finished writing one for Ichigo Kurosaki vs. Kenpachi Zaraki but I wanted to know if you could tell me where can I find the right pics for the page same with Ichigo Kurosaki vs. Jidanbō IkkanzakaI hope you can help me once again.. thanks in advance!!!Abigail16 19:04, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

thank you very much well I've already tried taking screen shots using MPC and windows media player and the Print screen button, maybe I'm doing some thing wrong but I've asked someone to come and help me so I will learn how to do it and hopefully get some good shots any way thank's..byeeeAbigail16 19:53, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

HI, could you do me a favor? the page I was editing Uryū Ishida vs. Mayuri Kurotsuchi well I've put in some images but the page kinda looks a bit messy could you work your magic on it? Hehe! thanks againAbigail16 21:21, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

okie I'll remove itAbigail16 21:45, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

oh you've already removed it well thank you n good night got to goAbigail16 21:48, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Character Profiles
Hi, i've been wondering if there is any chance we can make the images in the characters section link to the actual character profile and not the picture? Moemoe 13:06, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be able to edit the images by using a "|link=" extension?



And it works :) Moemoe 14:23, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Voting Policy
I think it's fine. Perhaps it could be a little more clear on the multiple votes front - will we delete all of their votes, since we can't possibly know which one they actually want to support, or will we give them a certain amount of time to decide on their selection? I'm kind of for the former, since they have the entire month to decide what quote, article or picture they're supporting, and it's unfair to the other users who followed the rules to have to sit around and wait for someone who didn't to make a decision.

As for the event of the tie, I think maybe we should leave that to the admins to do a run-off. Partially for the reason of making a quick decision, and partially because it's likely that the people who were going to vote have already done so at that point.

Otherwise, I think the policy's great. I like the rule about deleting votes that come in after the deadline, since I'm fairly sure some former articles of the month have been chosen a winner over others based on votes that came in after the deadline. And I think having strict rules ensures a level of fairness, and that's important. I think you did a good job, Yyp! Twocents 03:22, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that's fine. At least then, we wouldn't have people who followed the rules waiting around and it'd give a clear message to the person who failed to follow. We could copy their votes down to the deleted votes section so they can see what they voted for, and it'd give them an option to select one (or none). *nods* Good thinking! Twocents 20:14, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

It looks good! Good to have it up.

Redirects
I was thinking, what do you think about having similar "failure to follow rules" that the voting policy has for the redirect policy? It may just be a pet peeve of mine, but continuing to see users making pointless redirects even after I've said something to them about it is annoying me, and I can see them continuing to do so since there aren't any specific rules on what happens if they choose to blatantly ignore the policy. What do you think? Twocents 20:33, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I went ahead and added a failure to follow section. I get that it's relatively minor compared to the other behaviors one could do, but it's just a point of annoyance for me (kind of like how bad profile pics annoys Arrancar109 quite a bit), since it creates more work for us with us having to make sure the redirect works and then deleting all the pointless ones. Not to mention that they are often created in large batches, so pages that actually need our attention can get hidden. Twocents 20:56, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Fake Karakura Town = Recent?
Hey Yyp, might I say that you and Twocents made an excellent idea on adding a featured picture of the month and a featured quote of the month.:) I just have one question concerning both of them: Is the first part of the Fake Karakura Town Arc (before the Espada battles) still considered recent or does its latest part (battle against Yammy) only count as 'up-to-date'? I hope you can get back to me asap because I'd like to add-in some of my contributions for the two but I'd also like to comply with the rules of this wiki. Thanks in advance.:)--Ethelion 11:22, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the info.:)--Ethelion 11:44, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

No problem.
Sorry about that, but some editors here really frustrate me when it comes to the official spellings of character names. Its just like when Harribel's name was officially released. People still denied it, when it was spelled out in clear english X________X Thunderwitch 18:52, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Yyp sama
if someone adds a fake qoutes on the characters pages, do you want me to remove it, just let me know and happy november week :) --Eliskuya2 20:18, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Featured Image
Arrancar109 had been wondering what our stance is on having multiple panel images for the featured image (such as File:Unohana & Ichigo - Garganta.jpg ). I had personally been thinking it'd be single panels only, just because at a certain point, it goes from being a featured image to a replication of the manga. But I thought I'd see what you thought before making a stance one way or another. Twocents 20:11, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

I added that rule to the Featured Picture page. Especially since I also think that having a full page like that changes from it being about the cool scene and to more about what's being said, which would fit better into Featured Quote.

I also had this other question: once November is over and we post the Featured Picture, what should we do with all the ones that didn't make it? Many of them aren't linked to any other page or article, so should we just delete the losing photos then? Twocents 23:34, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

That's generally my inclination too. I'll look through the ones that are added now, and if there are any that would be worthwhile to add to an article, I'll go ahead and do so. That way, we won't have to worry about, "Is this useful?" later. Twocents 02:50, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Issue
Just to bring it to your attention apparently there is a user that has an issue with me because he wants to do things his own way and disregard rules and policy. He would dispute everything on the site if it would be in his favor and ive called him on it before and he makes it personal going so far as to deliberately change the sections of his talk page so it seems as if i didn't ever say anything to him. Now he wants to personally call me out by making a jab as if he could not include me in an administrative decision (which he does so on the main page talk page). So im just bringing it to your notice before it gets out of hand cause i will be saying something to him once again. His complaint mainly stems from the fact that i shot down his idea of making the featured article picture any old picture because we had to use any picture we could find for lisa article as she had no cover issue now he thinks its up for debate on any character to have the same when lisa's pic wasn't even recent of her actions. In any case this was also the reason for a featured image page so that this is a none issue. Salubri 09:08, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Infobox Image
Why is the infobox image set to a standard size? Instead it should be left unset, and automatically set by the standard size of the infobox, which would it to the same size. Simant 19:14, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Issue
I would agree with us making it a policy that they have to keep warnings from admins on their user pages and/or we have our own warning list. It annoyed me when I warned Eliskuya2 about making a hitlist on his/her userpage and s/he deleted the warnings. (I also find it sort of funny that s/he added a note about it in the edit summary. You can look at his/her talk page history to see it.)

But yeah, they don't have to like us, but I see that the user Salubri was talking about specifically has an entire rant on her talk page insulting him. I'd like to think that we wouldn't tolerate such disrespectful behavior directed toward other users, so I don't think that we should tolerate them insulting us.

Plus, having a list of who's been warned will be useful for knowing when it's time to block. If they remove the warnings constantly, we could continue to warn them, unaware that they've had notices from other admins, and they'd be essentially allowed to get away with their behavior. I know other wikis make it a block-able offense to remove anything from your talk page, so it wouldn't be unreasonable for us to be intolerant of them removing admin warnings. Twocents 01:59, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

I agree a page might work out it would obviously be for are use and we just make sure that when someone is warned or blocked we put who they are when and why and leave it at that. Its sad that other wiki's run so smoothly but bleach is like i dont know how describe some of the people that get on here and take it to a whole new level. But its becomes more and more necessary to have policys and make sure they are followed so that those who are doing what they are supposed to dont have to deal with stupid stuff. Its important that we keep in mind that the integrity of the site and its information is what we are protecting contrary to some people's view on that protection is. Ive also decided not to address the person cause i really dont care at this point ad from reading their issue on the main page talk page its just confusing im not sure what he is complaining about now nor do i feel bothered to deal with it, as i said previously its a non issue. Also check out a proposal i made to Tinni a week or so ago which i forgot to bring up. Its on her talk page under volume of the week club. Salubri 02:36, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

I already told Salubri, but I'm in agreement with both the non-message removal rule and the list. Trust me, a couple of members have removed my warnings, and it's something I don't want to put up with. The list is good to keep track of members who have caused trouble in the past, but are not blocked, in which case, they should be watched, so I don't see why we shouldn't do that. Arrancar109 15:45, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

I agree. When they remove a warning, especially with those who leave a snarky comment in their edit summary when they do so, it demonstrates an unwillingness to comply with the rules of the wiki and a disrespect toward the admins. And while I don't want it to be like, "This is the admins' list of people they hate because they're terrible, terrible people," I think the list would be good for other people to see, because it'd definitely demonstrate that we're not willing to tolerate vandalism, hit lists, swearing, blatant ignoring of policies, etc.

I think we should go back a few months - maybe to whenever we were made admins. (When was that? Beginning of October?) Just because those people should probably still be watched. And I figure that people on the list should be on there for a few months. I don't think it should be a case of holding a minor thing against them for all eternity, but maybe they stay on for three or four months, because if they keep getting more warnings in that time period, then they're clearly not interested in correcting their behavior. Twocents 18:31, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

On a page with protected status, how far does the protection go? Do admins/beaurocrats still have edit rights on these pages? Just thinking it would be wise to do so on this to stop people trying to cover their tracks. TomServo101 18:35, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it would be administrator-protected for that very reason, as well as to stop people from framing other users. Arrancar109 18:52, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so beginning of September sounds good. What should we call the page? Bleach Wiki:Warnings List? Or...? I'm trying to think of a title that wouldn't be like, super offensive, but would still get the point across. Once we have a title, I can go ahead and make it (or you can, I don't really care) and each of the admins can look to see who they've warned since September and add those people (as well as undo any edits that removed our warnings from their talk pages).

And for the format of the page, would we give each user a header that linked to their name and then a numbered list with a brief description of why they were warned, the date on which they were warned and who warned them? Twocents 19:28, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Do we have any official contact with other wikis? I ask this because people who've made a mess here and been banned I've noticed showing up on others; I'm thinking that we can keep them informed of any fools, and vice-versa. TomServo101 19:48, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

User Policy Violations
There you go User Policy Violations see if it fits what you thought. Salubri 19:51, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

I kind of wonder if we should call it Bleach Wiki:Policy Violations instead. I could see people thinking, "But I didn't violate a user policy!" And I think it should be under Bleach Wiki, since it's not an article.

But the having the headers and being alphabetically organized, I think, would make it be of the most use. Twocents 20:11, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I think we have a good starting point. I'll go ahead and find all the warnings I've given and add them, and everyone else can do that same. Sound like a plan? Twocents 20:20, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and I was thinking, we should probably have an intro paragraph at the top that explains what the page is for, how long users will be kept on it, etc. Since anyone can look at the page, having an explanation like that will let it be a learning tool for all users. What do you think? Twocents 20:23, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks!

It might be useful for new additions, but with adding these old ones, I don't necessarily remember what exact page they did whatever to that prompted me to warn them. On that note, do you think there should be a column specifying what particular action was taken (i.e. first warning, second warning, block, etc.)? Twocents 20:30, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that makes sense. *nods* We can just use it when it'll be useful to explain and demonstrate what was wrong in particular. I'm collecting the warnings I've given out (I saw that some people I warned, you warned as well, but I figured it'd be easier if we each did our own warnings) and I'll be able to add them to the page soon enough. Twocents 20:40, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

I think whoever gave the first warning would count as the admin warning them, if the second admin was simply elaborating. If the second admin intervened because the user didn't stop after the first warning, I think that counts as two separate warnings. Does that make sense? Like with User:MissRukia-Chan, you warned her because she continued the intentional misspelling even after I warned her once. Twocents 20:46, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I was just thinking. I remembered that I had given User:CorpusDei a warning on a forum for his insults directed to other users. Would we consider warnings on forum pages, edit summaries, etc. worth adding to the Policy Violations page, or are we only going to add warnings where we've gone to their talk page and said something there? Twocents 21:03, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

I think the intro looks good. :) Okay, I know we count the edit summaries as enough warning before blocking someone for, say, violating the spoiler policy, so I thought I'd check. What do you think about warnings given on article talk pages and forum pages? Twocents 21:14, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

'Course, most of the people who violate the spoiler policy are blocked quickly enough for continuing to make edits that we don't really get time to warn them properly, haha. Okay, I figure the same thing - if we have to explicitly tell them to stop something, regardless of whether it's on their user talk page or a forum or article talk, it should count. I think I finished my list. I didn't realize I'd warned so many people in only like 15-20 days. Twocents 21:25, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Yyp sama
what is the point with Policy Violations I did nothing wrong and Twocents keeps comeing up to my page and sill bugs me over and over *sigh* anyway I wish you can land a hand or two to make it stop Eliskuya2 21:31, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Your User Page
I understand. I have now familiarized myself with the User Policy and will comply with it whether I like it or not. I just wanted that person to know how I feel, because he should also be aware of what he's doing. I know what I did was wrong and I apologize wholeheartedly for my actions. But I want you to promise me something, Yyp. You have to tell this person of what I said to him in case he doesn't know yet; He has to know the wrongdoings he committed to me as well. I've been waiting for him to apologize as well, but it seems that he doesn't even care. I have also been deeply hurt of what he did to me ever since I got here; That's what prompted me to write such a blatant description about him. I would greatly appreciate it if you would talk to him, because quite frankly, I don't want to address anymore ill-will against him. I would also greatly appreciate it if you would reply asap. Sincerely,--Ethelion 01:35, November 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm, there has to be a compromise here, Yyp; It's not fair for me if this issue is left unsettled. Isn't there an assessment on admins' actions as well (besides us regular editors)? His actions should also be taken into account by you and the other admins; He doesn't deserve to step down on other people either just because he's authority. There has to be something done because there is and will be more injustice done in this wiki if we let something like that happen again, thus contradicting what this wiki community is all about: a fair and balanced system. I know I don't have the power to do this, because what am I? I'm just a regular editor like when you used to be. But I know you, WhiteStrike, and Twocents can do something about it. So what if he's a bureaucrat too? Arrancar109 is also one but is a lot more open-minded and respectful than him; Surely he can do something about it too, can't he? Basically, all I'm asking from you and the rest of the staff is to harness fairness. I really hope you would understand where I'm going.--Ethelion 07:40, November 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've just read some of the policies that I haven't taken into account yet, and this includes the Bleach Wiki:Discussion Policy. Clearly, the admin who I'm at odds with is in blatant violation of this rule (refer to the Oct. Featured Article Section in the Main Page Discussion for proof). Based on my example in the previous statement, it's obvious that he's not conforming to his own beliefs by setting aside my thread. Perhaps this will give you and the rest of the admins all the more reason to assess his actions.--Ethelion 08:18, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Main Page Talk
As for the Talk:Main Page, at least you're clear with what I'm saying. So if what you're saying is true (you guys writing the text), then I guess I was quite disappointed that when Starrk was finally a featured article winner, his description in the text wasn't updated (when he just released his Resurreccion, not when he was fighting Love and Rose - which was what should have been in the text), unlike Lisa (when she joined Hitsugaya and Hiyori in the battle against Harribel) and Current Featured Article Winner Byakuya (when he teamed up with Kenpachi to take down Yammy). So I guess what I'm saying is that there should have been more consistency when writing something about the featured article winner (i.e. keeping the events he's in up-to-date when he wins). I hope it's not petty for you, because it was a huge impact for me, witnessing the inconsistency last month (when Starrk won). So what are your thoughts on this?--Ethelion 01:50, November 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, as long as it will be taken care of the next time a character wins a featured article of the month, hopefully this December. Thanks for hearing me out. As for the "Re: Your User Page" Section in your talk page, I would greatly appreciate it if you could get back to me asap. Thanks again.--Ethelion 07:45, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Discussions
To make the conversations between us easier I think it would best to just use Bleach Wiki talk:Administrators to have discussions that way we dont have to hop between each others pages unless we have something specific to say to that particular person otherwise all the stuff like we have discussed in the past couple of months can be discussed there if its something for all admin to weigh in on. It will be a protected page as well and if you want to talk to a specific person you can just post it on their specific talk page as we have previously done. Also its important to check the page so that you can be abreast of discussions so probably be good idea to watch the page. Salubri 04:16, November 15, 2009 (UTC)