Talk:Royal Guard

Infobox Image
The image in the infobox needs to be changed since Kubo decided to go with a different insignia now that they have actually appeared. Here is the new image. --

Clean up suggestions
Could a mod please capitalise "King of Cereals" from king of cereals, add a hyperlink to Shutara's name, and and Bonze to the list of members. Would a table with the headers, name and title and maybe previous position be necessary?SternritterA (talk) 21:32, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Or you could maybe allow people to get around to doing it instead of suggesting whats commonly done on this site as if we needed your help in pointing that out. Just a thought.--

No need to be so aggressive. Could you unlock the page so some of us non mod users can help to edit new/ pages with many changes being made to them?SternritterA (talk) 00:00, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * That is exactly why pages are locked. Due to so many changes being made to a page, it is locked to cut down on the constant editing and back and forth fights that occur.--

New Image Gallery
Since the Royal Guard is finally being shown in the series I think it would make sense to add image galleries for it and all of its members. I don't know how to do this/ I don't know if I would be allowed to do this. Can someone please change it or tell me how to do it myself. Thanks--Balsalom (talk) 00:30, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * When there are enough images of them to warrant a gallery, one will be made.--
 * How many images need to be added to reach that point? Just seems like it would make sense to add it now so that there is no disorganization in the future. It might save time and effort on the part of the contributors if we added the pages now instead of later. Considering the direction of the latest chapters it would probably only mean adding the pages a week or two earlier.--Balsalom (talk) 00:41, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Gate Guardian of the Royal Palace
Since the stone wall that protects the Seireitei is normally protecting the Royal Palace can we infer that the Gate Guardians are normally also in the Soul Kings Dimension? I don't see how the gates could be opened otherwise. Also Jidanbo appeared out of nowhere when Ichigo and his friends tried to enter the Seireitei for the first time, it would make sense that he had "fallen down" with the wall.--Balsalom (talk) 00:38, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * The walls of Seireitei don't protect the Royal Palace. The Royal Palace is in another dimension.--
 * In the second to last chapter it stated that the seki seki walls of the Seireitei are normally in the dimension of the Royal Palace; when the walls fall down into place they are falling from the Royal Palace. It also says that on the wiki.--Balsalom (talk) 00:46, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * The only problem with this is that I don't see how the gate guardians could possibly be the guardians of the gate/gates to the Royal Palace. Anyone who was powerful enough to make it to the Royal Palace would surely be able to defeat them.--Balsalom (talk) 00:51, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * You have answered your own question. The Gate Guardians guard Seireitei, they do not guard the Royal Palace.--
 * I was asking for other people's input since the situation does not make sense to me. If the gate guardians do not also guard the Royal Palace then where did they come from when Ichigo tried to enter the Seireitei? Jidanbo just appeared out of nowhere. Also if who would open the gates to the Royal Palace without the gate guardians?--Balsalom (talk) 21:07, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * As stated on the talkheader above talk pages are for discussion of issues with the article. General discussion is to be only held on forums and if its a question then ask its on bleach answers. The fact is your asking a question that is not reasonable to ask people who arent involved in writing the series. Anything outside of the information presented to us is beyond are ability to know.--

Final Member
Nimaiya Ōetsu according to Mangareader (pg 19). Have I got it the correct way round? TomServo101 (Talk)  14:15, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Nimaita Ōetsu appears to be correct, although we may have to wait for a raw to know for sure.SternritterA (talk) 14:44, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Reason for Appointment
Not necessarily the actual title for this but couldn't figure out whether I should call them duties or not. But are we also waiting for the RAW to determine if it's true about why they were made Zero Division members? Like how Kirio said she made the temporary souls and though he hasn't been posted yet, how Nimaiya created the zanpakuto. Will this info be added after the RAW confirms it? Revan46 (talk) 18:21, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Member list
Isn't Ōetsu Nimaiya a member of the Royal Guard?--Xilinoc (talk) 23:52, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * He is already listed in the members list--
 * Not on the list on the right.--Xilinoc (talk) 23:57, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Royal Guard dealing with Menos Grande?
Pretty sure that the Royal Guard aren't assigned to slay Menos Grande like the article suggests from Rukia's old monologue. Pretty sure the "elite" mentioned there are Captains and/or Vice-Captains, not the Royal Guard.

For one thing, if they were assigned to slay Menos Grande, then who the heck would be guarding the King (and, presumably, his family) if they had to be out slaying Menos Grande? Not to mention the problem it would be if a Vasto Lorde (or more) was able to slay even one of them. The King's Key is part of their body, and all Aizen would've needed to do to get to the King is lure one of them into Hueco Mundo or the Real World via Menos Grande bait if they were assigned to slay Menos Grande. And you can bet Aizen knew about the Royal Guard, if only provisionally via Kirio's promotion, and would've deduced they had some way of getting to the King--which, with his intelligence, he would've surmised to be the King's Key.

The Vizard were also clearly shown to be able to one-shot Menos Grande as Captain Class Shinigami, and why would the shinigami stated to be "above Captain" in power be assigned to do something a Captain Class can easily do? Maybe they would deal with Vasto Lorde's, but considering everything (the Top 4 Espada being confirmed, iirc, as Vasto Lorde Class Hollows in one of the data books) I rather doubt that. --Vatic-Toxicity (talk) 05:19, March 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * This is really not something up for debate. Talk pages are for article maintenance issues. Having said that this is the direct content from the series as you already noted. Regardless of what any of us thinks thats what was said and therefore its not subject to change by us, only kubo himself. Its also known that Kubo writes as he goes and at the time thats what he determined about them as far as their role goes. This concept has not been brought up or explained again regardless of it being unlikely or illogical it is what it is.--

Spiritual Power?
Seeing as they are all supposedly promoted captains, and five of them surpass the Gotei 13 in power. Could we add that each member has Immense Spiritual Power? Skitzo1 (talk) 22:43, June 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Umm there is really nothing that we can logically say against that train of thought. so what i would say is that we need to be careful about the way its stated without going into the realm of speculation and opinion.--


 * Hmm, its difficult to word :( I'm just throwing the ball around here, maybe... "As part of the Royal Guard "Tenjiro Kirinji" possesses Immense Spiritual Power, being promoted from a Captain, and being considered part of a 5 man division whose powers surpass the entire Gotei 13?"... Think I might leave that to someone with a better English qualification than me I suppose. Skitzo1 (talk) 22:57, June 27, 2013 (UTC)