Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner

The Translation Corner is a place where a group of users can get together and help maintain the wiki by keeping it up to date on the actual translations of the various names, abilities, techniques and etc. found in the Bleach Universe.

Associate Members

 * Adam Restling (Japanese)
 * MarqFJA (Japanese)
 * Lia Schiffer (Spanish)

References & Sources

 * Kanji-to-English:
 * Tangorin
 * Mahou Kanji Dictionary
 * Kanji Networks
 * OldNihongo.J-Talk.Com
 * Basic Japanese verbal data: The imperative inflection of Japanese verbs

Contentious Translations
Since I screwed up the order of the first version (XD), I'll try to keep this one organized. If I overstepped any boundaries, please forgive--and correct--me. You may also notice that I try to write Japanese words by their kana spellings--e.g. ou, oo instead of ō--because I'm often too lazy (again, XD) to go grab the macron-crowned letters, and it's more faithful to the Japanese (I would only use ō etc. personally when it's katakana, as they are transcribing chiefly foreign sounds). However, on the Wiki(a)s, the prevailing trend is to use the Hepburn style, replete with ōs and all, so if making edits to the actual articles, please use these for consistency :). I leave the edits to the pros, because templates confuse and frighten me.

This section in particular will be used to try and confirm the accuracy of passages from the raw Japanese.

Also, sorry to everyone for the tardiness in my replies to queries. I explained the reasons, during a brief moment of lucidity (XD), in the new section on my user page called "I'm so, so sorry." I will endeavor to work on the backup during the weekend and/or as more raws *becomest* available to me :). Adam Restling 09:59, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

The Repent Lie - BLEACH 414 "DEICIDE16" pg. 18
AIZEN

... Nani.........?

... What.........?

ICHIMARU

Boku no Bankai no nouryoku mukashi otsutae shimashita ne?

I told you long ago of my Bankai's abilities, right?

Sunmasen are uso iimashita

Sorry... that was a lie I spoke.

Yuutahodo nagaku nobimasen yuutahodo hayaku nobimasen Tada

nobichijimisuru toki isshun dake chiri ni narimasu Soshite

ha no uchigawa ni saibou wo tokashikuzusu moudoku ga arimasu

It doesn't expand as long as I'd said, or expand quickly like I said; Just...

when it expands and contracts, for just an instant, it becomes dust. And...

within the blade is a deadly poison, which melts and destroys the cells.

Interestingly here, it seems, Ichimaru shifts between his usual Kansai(?)ben dialect and regular formal Japanese.

As to whether Ichimaru lied about all of Kamishini no Yari's abilities up until this point, this might suggests he did. But, as with Aizen, who can trust him, Aizen (or *Kubo* XD) for sure? Adam Restling (talk) 05:05, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

About Tachikaze's bankai
Specifically... 鐡拳・断風; note how 地 wasn't present in the bankai name, even though the hiragana apparently remained the same. Shouldn't the translation be Iron Fist Severing Wind? Please help. --Reikson (talk) 22:11, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah; Kubo being clever again:

断地風 Tachikaze (Shikai) uses ta-, the root of tatsu "sever" + chi "earth" + kaze "wind," hence "earth severing wind"

BUT

断風 Tachikaze in Tekken Tachikaze, as you noted, drops "earth" yet still features ta chi , though here the -chi is the infinitive/gerund ending of tatsu, i.e. tachi = "(a) severing," just like the similarly-inflecting verb katsu "win" has the infinitive/gerund form kachi "(a) winning" > "victory."

So yes: assuming the volumized release didn't have any alterations (e.g. like Proyectil > Ola Azul), Tachikaze = "earth severing wind" BUT Tekken Tachikaze = "iron fist(ed) severing wind." Adam Restling (talk) 06:56, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Rabu/Ravu
Hey y'all, looking at Love Aikawa's page, I noticed you refer to him as "Aikawa Ravu." Well, I have the Japanese manga in which he's featured and the furigana beside the characters for his name is writtten 「ラブ」, which is read as "Rabu," as opposed to the Ravu used on the main page. So shouldn't that be Rabu, per the manga? User:MikamiTeru90

I checked the raw for one of the "more recent" (i.e. past their first big introduction) ch., a "Turn Back the Pendulum" ch., and he is indeed addressed as "Rabu" (ラブ), if by Yamamoto. I haven't had a chance to see if this is exactly the same as how he's called by his fellow Visored in informal situations yet, though. I'll double-check when I've more time :). Adam Restling 18:29, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

I read one of the most recent chapters in which he appears, and Love addresses himself "Rabu," written as 「ラブ」 (without the kanji). As for how the Vizards call him Ravu, well, they've probably figured that his name is phoentic and are pronouncing it with an accent closer to English. MikamiTeru90

Bakkōtō
Looking at the Bakkōtō page, I notice it doesn't have a translation. Could you guys check it out? Thanks. The Shadow Dragon 14:51, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

As wacko as it may seem, the word Bakkoutou apparently means "tapir-mix(ing) sword(s)" XD! And the Kanji seem correct, as they appear the same on the Japanese Wiki. Either there's a cultural thing I'm missing here (e.g. bakkou, though written "tapir mix," is actually intended to mean something else as maybe an archaic usage or idiom), or the filler writers were really out of ideas! If I discover one of the former idioms, I'll let you guys know. Sincerely, your local tapir master ;). Adam Restling 09:28, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * lol strange. hmm from what I can find it may have something to do with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku_(spirit) . Apparently 獏 (baku) can also refer to spirits resembling tapirs in japanese folklore which devour dreams and nightmares which I guess could somewhat go along with the theme of the Bakkōtō eating away at the user. The Shadow Dragon 14:08, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good find! That's what I get for posting while half-comatose instead of doing further research XD. The same way the kirin refers to both the mythical animal and the giraffe.


 * I'm not sure if it's important but though the element kou is used in Japanese mostly as a synonym for majiwaru "to mix, cross," the Chinese seems to keep a meaning "trigram(s), divination sign(s)." Were the filler writers subtly trying to tap--or at least imply nuances of--this non-current, Chinese-derived meaning? There's no telling for sure. But in light of your good work, I guess the best trans. would be "baku-crossing sword(s)." Adam Restling 20:24, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Hojiku-Zai
When you have time (since I'm making a ton of requests lol, at least you won't be short of work here) can you guys look for the kanji and translation of Hojiku-Zai for Mayuri's page. Thanks. The Shadow Dragon 19:36, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

According to the Japanese wiki, Hojikuzai = 補肉剤, which pretty much means "flesh-mending drug." 補 in particular, when read ho, generally means "assist(ant)," but also bears the connotations of its verbal readings, such as oginau "supply, make good, make up (for losses), offset, compensate." So Hojikuzai is basically the drug that compensates (for lost) flesh, i.e. a regenerative medicine. Adam Restling 03:54, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Numb Chandelier/List of Hollows
Simple thing really, one of the characters got screwed up somehow:. I need to know what the original character was. Last moment thought: is the Romaji accurate? WD  Talk to me  19:52, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Could you elaborate more on how you think it got screwed up? I don't think I follow you. MarqFJA 20:41, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Couldn't tell you really. All I know is there was a problem with Kanji changing a while back, that was happening all over the place and had something to do with the editing process. It might have changed back then and went unnoticed till now. WD  Talk to me  21:46, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, the � symbol in Numb Chandelier's name was replaced with ム on the List of Hollows article earlier by Reikson. I presume that is the missing kanji. 22:38, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, I'll change it for now but you don't sound too sure. And since the error I copied-pasted came from the list of Hollows page, then maybe we still have a problem? WD   Talk to me  22:51, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks correct. The current katakana on the Numb Chandelier page - ナム シャンデリア - matches the romanji Namu Shanderia with ナム being the katakana for Numb/Namu and シャンデリア being the katakana for Chandelier/Shanderia. The Shadow Dragon 00:59, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Shintarō
Hi. I need the kanji spelling for Shintarō. Thank you! WD  Talk to me  04:21, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind. I got it. WD  Talk to me  04:30, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Fénix versus Fenice
I posted this information over in Arturo Plateado's discussion, but I wanted to repeat the relevant information here regarding why I think his zanpakutō is named "Fenice" and not "Fénix". What do you think?

Although Arrancar have a Spanish theme, it sounds to me that Arturo has an Italian name for his zanpakutō. フェニーチェ Fenīche sounds to me like the Italian word fenice (and that seems to be what the English translators for the video games decided too). I have also seen the Spanish word fénix approximated into Japanese as フェニックス fenikkusu. Sites like this and this also claim that the zanpakutō is called Fenice. While it is puzzling that an Italian name would be chosen rather than the usual Spanish, Fenice makes more sense as the intended name than Fénix does based on pronunciation.

In addition, I found a hotel in Madrid named Gran Meliá Fénix. A Japanese page about the hotel approximates the hotel's name as グラン メリア フェニックス Guran Meria Fenikkusu, not Guran Meria Fenīche. The Japanese approximate the Spanish word fénix as フェニックス fenikkusu. Then there is a famous opera house in Italy known as La Fenice. The Japanese name for La Fenice, seen here, is フェニーチェ劇場 Fenīche Gekijō (Fenice Theater). The literal Japanese approximation of the name La Fenice is ラ・フェニーチェ Ra Fenīche. Rabukurafuto (talk) 04:14, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Arturo is both Spanish and Italian in genealogical nature, but Plateado is undoubtedly Spanish, meaning silver in reference to the color.
 * Additionally, Kubo seems to have fixated on a Spanish theme for the Hollows, and by extension the Arrancar. Even if Plateado is not canon, it doesn't mean that his Zanpakutō's name would originate from a different language even if the meaning might be the same. --Reikson (talk) 17:18, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Reikson is correct; there's no reason to assume Kubo decided to deviate from his Spanish motif and adopt the Italian word out of nowhere here. More likely a theory, though, is that Kubo may've known about the famous hotel with the Italian form, and perhaps mistook it for being the same, or close to, the Spanish form. Of course, with both being Romance languages, several words in both languages share ostensible similarities. Adam Restling (talk) 02:38, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Well, whatever the name, I discovered that Arturo's name is written two different ways in Japanese. It is currently written アルトゥロ・プラチアド Aruturo Purachiado on the article. When I was reading about him in Japanese, his name was rendered アルトゥロ・プラテアド Aruturo Purateado. That sounds closer to what the Spanish pronounciation would be to me, but doing a search for both アルトゥロ・プラチアド and アルトゥロ・プラテアド provide results. Rabukurafuto (talk) 03:55, July 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * The hell? Dang it, Japan XD! Pick one! Definitely, the version with ~ Purateado is the more faithful to the Spanish, as you cited. But, then, this wouldn't be the first time that even Kubo/Japanese "official(ish)" sources have been wrong: they had Ulquiorra's surname as Cipher in the video games before Kubo revealed it as Cifer, and Kubo has spelled Harribel's ability Cascada as though spoken Casqueda, and Nel's Zanpakutou Gamuza as though written Gamiuza. So who knows? I wonder if the conflicting spellings will be resolved to one someday... Adam Restling (talk) 00:40, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

About Baraggan's Zanpakutō...
I speak of the kanji. I ran them through this dictionary I found, and it came out as Weathered Skull Emperor. I get how this could be called Great Skull Emperor, but I dunno...
 * I mean, I was the one who ended up translating Rudobōn's Zanpakutō and his Calaveras ability to include Weathered Skull as part of the English translations; I'm talking about these two symbols 髑髏, which apparently translate to Weathered Skull.
 * Thoughts? Is an edit allowed? --Reikson (talk) 02:03, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

髑髏 dokuro just means "skull." It may have specializations in many usages for "a weathered or desiccated skull," as of one of the dead--as compared to, say, describing the skull of someone living--but it just means "skull," and needs no "weathered" qualifier preceding it. So any case of its usage should just be translated "skull" :). Adam Restling (talk) 01:35, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay. *shrugs* So, should Baraggan's Zanpakutō just be Skull Emperor? And Rudobōn's being Skull Tree and his Calaveras ability just being Skull Soldiers? --Reikson (talk) 01:47, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * The literal translation for the kanji gloss of Arrogante, 髑髏大帝, is "Great Emperor of Skulls". That is, 髑髏 = "skull(s)", 大 = "great", and 帝 = "emperor". MarqFJA (talk) 02:03, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah. So "great skull emperor" or "great emperor of skulls" (since mimicking the Kanji order would give us the odd-sounding "skull great emperor" ;) ). Whichever sounds *kewler* to you guys. Adam Restling (talk) 02:20, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

This may just be my ignorance speaking, but to my knowledge, 大帝 or taitei, is just translated as emperor. Implying an emperor of greater status? --Reikson (talk) 02:38, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's what I thought at first, but here and here both confirm it as "great emperor" or "~ the Great" (in titles). And it's true that 帝 itself can generally stand for "emperor," though finding it in isolation, outside a compound, is rare in Japanese. Adam Restling (talk) 06:17, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's true. About the kanji 帝, anyway... --Reikson (talk) 06:26, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Heita Momoyama
This guy has no kanji. I did a little research and found that his last name is written in kanji:桃山 but his first name is written for some reason in hiragana: へいた. I feel ok with putting his Japanese name as it appears in the credits, but I thought I'd bring it here just to be on the safe side. His name is second to last in the image I added. PS if you can find his Japanese voice actor too, that'll be swell. WD  Talk to me  18:34, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

If they're from the credits, then I think it's safe to put them up. MarqFJA (talk) 21:45, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

OK :) Can you help me with his Japanese voice actor? It should be right across from the character's name. WD   Talk to me  08:23, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Looks like it's Shouto Kashii (樫井笙人 Kashii Shouto). Adam Restling (talk) 21:45, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Rukongai
Seems that the Rukongai article is missing the translation for two of the district names. They are Kusajishi (草鹿) and Zaraki (更木). Thanks 20:07, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

I'm trying my hand at translating the names of the given Rukongai districts. Now, for Inuzuri, I noticed that there were no kanji for it, so I tried 犬吊, where the second symbol can either mean "hang" or "mourn"; can someone confirm or deny that for me? --Reikson (talk) 20:55, August 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Now, as for what I've got as to district name translations;
 * 1. Junrinan (潤林安) being "Quiet Moist Forest"
 * 2. Hokutan (北端) being "North End"
 * 3. Kusajishi (草鹿) being "Grass Cattle Beast"
 * 4. Zaraki (更木) being "Changing Tree"
 * Can someone confirm or refute these for me? --Reikson (talk) 20:55, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

According to the Japanese Wiki, Inuzuri is 戌吊, which *could* be interpreted "dog hanging"; I say "could" because 戌 is more properly the 11th Earthly branch... but its close association with the "dog" in the zodiac, which informs its native Japanese reading inu (identical in sound to inu "dog") should be good enough that including "dog" in the trans. is defensible.

As for the rest:

Junrinan (潤林安) = "lush forest peace"
 * 潤 can mean "(be) water(ed)" but also "(be) enrich(ed)" (< "thrive as do plants with water"), hence I used "lush," to affect the enriched verdure of the forest mentioned

Hokutan seems correct as you have it.

Kusajishi (草鹿) = "grass deer"
 * as a surname, 草鹿 is usually rendered as Kusaka, and the readings of 鹿 are usu. roku | shika, shi, so the reason for its reading here as -jishi by Kubo is a mystery to me (maybe an intensive doubling *shishi for "deer (plural)" ?)

Zaraki (更木) would seem to signify "new tree"
 * 更, when read as sara, is an archaic prefix meaning "(completely) new, of which  z ara seems to be a special variant Kubo liked the sound of better I guess--or maybe to invoke also the adjective zara(na) "common" (since the Rukongai folk are the lower class of the Soul Society?); Japanese Wiki does note some individuals who had this surname so-spelled as Saraki

Apologies to anyone--as usual--if my dumb Western self missed any Japanese linguistic puns or references in Kubo's special readings of the above XD. Adam Restling (talk) 07:55, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Mt. Koifushi
Could you guys also do the translation for Mt. Koifushi (鯉伏) as well? Thanks. The Shadow Dragon (talk) 23:32, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * The translation appears to be something like "Carp Slope" or "Carp Inclination". --Reikson (talk) 23:34, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ryoka
I just noticed that the Ryoka page is missing kanji. Could you guys try and find the kanji and do its translation? Thanks. The Shadow Dragon (talk) 22:56, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Ryoka (旅禍) means "traveling evil(s)," a term Kubo made up that closely resembles the English phrase walking disaster. The Soul Society is harsh on tourists, ne ;) XD. Adam Restling (talk) 14:57, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Daireishokairo
I noticed that Daireishokairo is also missing its kanji on the Central 46 Compound page. Could you guys try and find its kanji and do the translation? Thanks and keep up the awesome work here :). The Shadow Dragon (talk) 22:56, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

The Daireishokairou (大霊書回廊) = "grand/great soul hall of writings." Though many translate what I have as hall of writings as "library," shokairou seems to be a new coinage by Kubo of sho "writing(s)" + kairou "hall(way), corridor, cloister," and so not a current, established word for "library" (which is usually something like toshokan). "Hall of writings," I thought, better represented a literal-ish trans. and the kind of mystique of this vast and ancient reliquary but, as usu. majority judgment will choose between it and "library" in the end. Adam Restling (talk) 16:31, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Spearhead
Could you guys do the literal translation for Spearhead's kanji (尖兵計画) for the artificial soul's page? It seems to be something along the lines of vanguard plan or advanced guard plan but I figured I would get it double checked here. Thanks The Shadow Dragon (talk) 23:09, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * It DOES mean vanguard plan. --Reikson (talk) 23:14, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Kikōō
Could you guys do the translation for Kikōō (燬鷇王) for the Sōkyoku page? Thanks. The Shadow Dragon (talk) 01:24, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * I got something like "Blazing Chick King". WTF? --Reikson (talk) 01:31, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Mashiro techniques
I was looking over the Mashiro Kuna page and was wondering if you guys could possibly find the kanji and romanization for some of her named "techniques" such as her Mashiro Kick, Mashiro Super Kick, and Mashiro Super Cero. Thanks The Shadow Dragon 15:09, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

As expected, most of these begin with simply Mashiro's name, written 白:

Mashiro Kick (白キック Mashiro Kikku), although she stretches it out, enthused, as "Mashiro Ki————ck" (白キ————ック Mashiro Ki————kku)

Mashiro Super Kick (白スーパーキック Mashiro Sūpā Kikku), although she stretches it to "Mashirooo〜〜〜〜〜 Su———per Kick" (白おおお〜〜〜〜〜ス———パーキック Mashiroooo〜〜〜〜〜 Su———pā Kikku)

Mashiro Super Cero (白スーパー虚閃(セロ) Mashiro Sūpā Sero)

Adam Restling 05:21, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Charlotte Cuuhlhourne's Cero
Here is something else I found that should be interesting to look up. I noticed we just have the long english name for the "Beautiful Charlotte Cuuhlhourne's Final Holy Wonderful Pretty Super Magnum Sexy Sexy Glamourous Cero" on the Cero page. Could you guys find the kanji and romanization for this as well? Thanks again for all your guys hard work. The Shadow Dragon 15:12, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I ended up doing this one myself. Feel free to double check for me though if you wish. The Shadow Dragon 16:03, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for my tardiness; checking now, but looks like good job to you so far :). Adam Restling (talk) 04:01, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Looks like just a couple of minor cosmetic things and omissions (I would change them myself, but I fear upsetting the templates like I did last time). I underline the parts that were omitted/that I found needed editting, as otherwise they may be hard to spot in the otherwise well-done rendering :) :

Beautiful Charlotte Cuuhlhourne's Miracle Sweet Ultra Funky Fantastic Dramatic Romantic Sadistic Erotic Exotic Athletic Guillotine Attack (ビューティフル・シャルロッテ・クールホーン 'S(ズ) ・ミラクル・スウィート・ウルトラ・ファンキー・ファンタスティック・ドラマティック・ロマンティック・サディスティック・エロティック・エキゾチック・アスレチック・ギロチン・アタック Byūtifuru Sharurotte Kūruhōnzu Mirakuru Suwīto Urutora Fankī Fantasutikku Doramatikku Romantikku Sadisutikku Erotikku Ekizochikku Asurechikku Girochin Atakku)

Beautiful Charlotte Cuuhlhourne's Final Holy Wonderful Pretty Super Magnum Sexy Sexy Glamorous Cero (ビューティフル・シャルロッテ・クールホーン 'S(ズ) ・ファイナル・ホーリー・ワンダフル・プリティ・ースーパー・マグナム・セクシー・セクシー・グラマラス・虚閃 (セロ) Byūtifuru Sharurotte Kūruhōnzu Fainaru Hōrī Wandafuru Puri tī Sūpā Magunamu Sekushī Sekushī Guramarasu S ero)

Hopefully that should all be correct; my eyes started bleeding half-way through the -tikkus XD. I added another interpunct (・) between "Glamorous" and "Cero" because, though it appears in a separate word balloon in the comic, the standard seems to be to use the interpuncts to separate each word. The form " 'S" (with superscript ズ zu) actually appears even in the Japanese panels to designate the English genitive Cuuhlhourne 's .

The latter should prob. also be altered on the "Cero" article. Adam Restling (talk) 04:19, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Tatsuki:Riser Deadly Magnum
Someone added ライザーデッドリーマグナム as the kanji for "Riser Deadly Magnum" on the Tatsuki Arisawa article. Can we please get confirmation that this is accurate please? Thanks 20:59, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Being more of a fillerish character trait, it may be harder to come by (I didn't see anything on it in the Japanese Wiki), but I'll see if maybe Google or something will prevail. Adam Restling (talk) 05:15, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * According to the Japanese hits I got Googling the katakana, that should be correct, ライザーデッドリーマグナム Raizā Deddorī Magunamu, although maybe we should follow precedent and add interpuncts between each word, hence ライザー·デッドリー·マグナム. Adam Restling (talk) 04:18, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

3rd Phantom stuff
I found the following stuff for Bleach: The 3rd Phantom on the Japanese wikipedia. Could you guys get the translations for them when you have a chance? Thanks. The Shadow Dragon 21:05, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Seigen Suzunami techniques

 * 紫霞（しがすみ）
 * 紫電雷吼（しでんらいこう）

Shisui Mirror

 * 熾水鏡（しすいきょう）

Ordered in emulation of the above (assuming all these are correct):

Shigasumi (紫霞) "violet mist"

Shiden Raikou (紫電雷吼) "violet lightning thunderclap" (more lit. "thunder-roar/howl")

Shisuikyou (熾水鏡) "burning water mirror" (the element shi can also mean "flourishing, kindled," apparently equating the condition of activity or thriving with the vibrance of a crackling fire)

About Sakanade...
Hirako said that Sakanade causes its victim to experience an... "inverted world", I believe was the translation. Why was the kanji for this never brought up? Because I personally think the symbols for "inverted world" would go something like this; 倒像世界 (tōzō sekai).

Can anyone confirm or refute this? --Reikson (talk) 14:23, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

From what my spotty memory (of the specifics) can recall, he mentions it doing something like "affecting all the nerves/senses." But he does say something (to Aizen once it takes effect) to the effect of "welcome to the inverse/inverted world," and there the term is expressed as sakasama no sekai (逆様の世界). Adam Restling (talk) 08:55, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

The question was asked in Shinji's talk page and I answered the same thing, but nobody minded it back then. Though I couldn't get the Kanji, thanks Adam. I remember how crazy I was about getting those Raw because I wanted to know what the Japanese words were. They sound so awesome. Lia Schiffer  (Talk)  08:58, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah :). Always like to know the original words, with their mellifluous sound--and to be as accurate as possible. Adam Restling (talk) 09:39, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Question
Shouldn't we put a name to the nature of Orihime's power? We all know that it's called phenomena rejection, but wouldn't there be something in Japanese that would be more specific? --Reikson 14:05, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually its not called that at all. If anything was said it was the rejection of events and then it was called that by Aizen, that doesn't make it an official name as well he was only referring to the Sōten Kisshun technique. Salubri (Talk)  14:12, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Really? Kōten Zanshun seems to reject the existence of whatever it hits, Sōten Kisshun seems to reject the damage to whatever it's applied to, and Santen Kesshun seems to reject the infliction of damage to whatever it's applied over. But, if you say you know better... --Reikson 14:44, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

When exactly did he ever see or show concern for the other techniques his only concern was the Soten Kisshun technique which is what he is referring to. What he says is his assumption of her powers if its true or not it doesn't matter as its not confirmed also its already listed and referenced on the page. Being that its not a confirmed factual statement there is no point to have a translated version of it. Thats just common sense of how we work here. Salubri (Talk)  04:01, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you say so. --Reikson 04:37, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Literal translation for cities
Could you do the literal translations of the kanji for Kagamino City (鏡野市) and Karakura Town (空座町)? Thanks. The Shadow Dragon 19:33, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I did a short-job by going to Wikitionary. The Kagamino kanji appears to be; 鏡 (mirror), 野 (area, field), and 市 (city), while the Karakura kanji appears to be; 空 (emptiness, empty, ineffectual, false), 座 (seat, stand, base [basically, a support foundation, perhaps... interesting! "Hollow Base"... a starting-off point for Hollows? If true... tricky, Kubo!]), 町 (couldn't find a specific one... district, maybe?) --Reikson 20:17, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * The last kanji of each name is actually the municipal designation: 市 is shi "city", 町 is chou "town". See this article and some of the branching ones for more details. MarqFJA 09:29, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Marq is correct, and I thank him for the link to Japanese municipal usages :). But yeah:

Kagamino = "mirror field" + suffix -shi "~ city, the city of ~"

Karakura = "empty seat" + suffix -chou "~ town, the town of ~"

I personally love the idea of how Karakura is crucial to Aizen's plan, which is to ascend to and occupy the "achingly" empty throne (kara kura ? ;) ) of Heaven. Adam Restling (talk) 00:08, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Saketsu and Hakusui
In a horrible oversight, we do not have the kanji for Saketsu and Hakusui. So can I please get the kanji and the meanings as well. Thanks. Tinni  (Talk)  09:54, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

鎖結 (さけつ) Saketsu: 鎖 sa (chain), 結 ketsu (binding)

魄睡 (はくすい) Hakusui: 魄 haku (soul), 睡 sui (sleep)

I hope this helps! Rabukurafuto (talk) 04:14, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Tinni  (Talk)  10:07, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hoho, Zanjutsu and Kido
I have recently noticed some inconsistent translation template use in hoho, Zanjutsu and Kido section. Currently it is, and worst of all. What it should be is. Can I please get some clarification on the translation, and a check on the kanji while we are at it, so I can fix the template expression. Thanks. Tinni  (Talk)  09:58, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * The translations are fine, I guess it's just the order in which it's written that has to be fixed. --Reikson (talk) 13:35, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Seven Wonders or Seven Mysteries?
The new anime omake segment is in dispute as to what it's called: In the episode pages it's called Seven Wonders of Karakura Town, same as in the subtitles. In the Omake Segments page it's called Karakura Town Seven Mysteries. Could you please tell me which is the more correct way to call it? WD  Talk to me  23:57, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, according to the title screen picture someone kindly ) provided of it, the title is 空座町 七不思議のヒミツ Karakura-chou Shichi Fushigi no Himitsu, which best translates "Karakura Town: Secrets of (the) Seven Mysteries."

The word fushigi (不思議) is most often translated "mystery(/ies)," but *could* also apply to things marvelous or wondrous. It's more literally "not (fu) conjecture(d), unguessed," and so something uncanny that defies comprehension or analysis.

But fushigi is best left with its most current rendering as "mystery(/ies)," leaving meanings such as "marvel, wonder" to other words like kiseki, kyoutan, kai, reii etc.

I'm not sure which form of "seven" is intended here, so I went with tentative reading shichi above. The word himitsu (秘密) "secret(s)" is here spelled, I guess "for fun," with katakana as ヒミツ (maybe it looks more spoo~ooky that way XD). Adam Restling (talk) 04:05, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Let me see if I got this straight. The word 'mystery' is a more accurate translation than 'wonder'. The word 'secrets' is not necessary and can be left out of the translation (In the interest of keeping it short). So how are you liking the name Seven Mysteries of Karakura Town? A sort of integration between the first two options that sounds better to me. WD  Talk to me  07:25, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well, if the actual title incorporates "secrets" and "mysteries," as it seems to, I'd want to include both in the configuration I cited above (in my boldface trans.). I'm not sure about the idea of just arbitrarily dropping "secrets," despite its usage, on some kind of esthetic basis. But I guess the ultimate call is up to the High Council. Adam Restling (talk) 02:54, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

'B' Station track titles
If you guys ever have a chance, could you check out the 'B' Station Soundtrack section of the music article (Music) and translate some of the non-english portions of the track titles. There is a decent amount there so you could just do small amounts whenever you have a chance or something. Thanks. The Shadow Dragon (talk) 20:04, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Calligraphy Club
Hi guys, I was adding references to the clubs articles and noticed that the Calligraphy Club is the only one without a translation template. Can you please see if you can provide kanji and romanji for this club similar to the Tea Ceremony Club and the. Thanks! Tinni  (Talk)  10:52, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * As I understand it, kai (会) represents the "club", so... it's possible that the Calligraphy Club symbols could be something like, literally meaning "Writing Path Association".
 * Or, more literally, it could be, literally meaning "Calligraphy Association". To be honest, though, I'm just pulling this stuff outta my ass, you're gonna hafta find the actual symbols somewhere. --Reikson (talk) 13:25, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the -kai (会) = "club"; but as for the correct Kanji as-used for "calligraphy," that's harder, since these appeared as omake after anime episodes. Who was able to find the Kanji for the Tea Ceremony Club? Does someone have a page reference for a parallel omake of it from the manga? Adam Restling (talk) 18:00, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Forgive my utter brain-dead dolt move. I totally forgot about the club chart image that shows the kanji. Actually, now that I think about it, can I please get a kanji, romanji and translation check on and. Also, can I please trouble you guys for the Kanji extract for Shinigami Women's Association and Shinigami Men's Association as I just realised, neither of them have the proper translation template in their respective articles. Thanks in advance. Tinni  (Talk)  18:29, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I got 'em. They'll be up shortly. --Reikson (talk) 18:48, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks heaps! Tinni  (Talk)  19:07, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Kan
Can I please get a check on the translation? Is everything correct here? Tinni  (Talk)  10:52, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, the symbol does represent "ring", so... --Reikson (talk) 13:16, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yep, looks good :). Adam Restling (talk) 18:02, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that! Tinni  (Talk)  18:29, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Shinigami's Health Land and Tomorrow's Tiger Pharmacy
Could you guys check out the kanji and translation of Shinigami's Health Land (File:HealthLand.jpg) and the Tomorrow's Tiger Pharmacy (File:Tigerpharmacy.jpg) for the Seireitei article? Thanks. The Shadow Dragon (talk) 19:29, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Did it for ya. --Reikson (talk) 19:55, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Shinigami Research and Development Institute
Why has nobody found and put up the symbols for this building yet? --Reikson (talk) 19:55, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe it's 技術開発局. The Shadow Dragon (talk) 23:41, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Can you confirm? --Reikson (talk) 23:52, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Seireitei Communication Editing Department
The symbols in the picture on the right... can anyone decipher them? All I got was the first three, 瀞霊廷, and the last one, 部. So all I need are the four symbols in-between those. --Reikson (talk) 20:06, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

MASKED
For some semblance of order, I am putting all masked related stuff in this section. Tinni  (Talk)  05:59, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Nnoitra's last name
OK, so a new user changed all the "Jiruga" in the article to "Gilga". As reference he left this address:. If you look at the bottom right corner you can just make out the name Nnoitra Gilga. I also posted this in his discussion page with a circle around the relevant area. It appears to be a scan from some official Bleach source and doesn't seem photoshopped to my untrained eye. WD  Talk to me  19:14, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hot damn!!! Sorry for the effusive enthusiasm, but they just announced the pending release (in August) of the long awaited new BLEACH character book, Masked, which will finally (I *hope*) give us official spellings of the Arrancar by covering them and the Visored!! This looks to feature the cover of the new guidebook, and could that be a sneak peek of the *true* spelling of Nnoitra's surname? Too soon to be sure, but this jazzes me up something fierce :) ! Finally, dare I to hope, shall we get the official romanizations? Adam Restling (talk) 23:28, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Komamura: Shikai
Sajin Komamura's shikai command is given as 轟け in Masked. When I checked, the first kanji on its own means roar, but the second means something else, so can I please get confirmation that it is accurate. Thanks, 10:27, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * The two symbols translate as Todoroke; the second symbol depicts an imperative inflection, essentially a command. In this case, the phrase Komamura uses to activate his shikai is a command to Tenken to roar.
 * Just, literally, "Roar!" --Reikson (talk) 12:46, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clearing that up. 12:54, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Didn't Komamura's article have "Todoroke" as the Shikai command long ago before it was removed due to lack of official basis? Coincidence? Or is Kubo trolling our forums? XD MarqFJA (talk) 13:28, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, back then we only knew it came from a game, and our policy states we can't use that as canon material, especially since some games have inaccurate portrayal of the manga-canon characters. Arrancar109 (Talk)  17:01, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Hado #73
According to User:Urie12, this page from masked says that Soren Sokatsui is Hado #73 and not 63 which would finally put this debate to rest. Can you confirm this?--God (Pray)  21:14, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

The kanji preceding Souren Soukatsui in the Kidou list depicted in the image provided clearly says "Hadou no Nanajuusan", which is literally "Seventy-Third of the Way of Destruction". I believe this evidence that Kubo has made another retcon, in the same vein as he did with Proyectil Azul (now Ola Azul). MarqFJA (talk) 21:56, August 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll make the change then. 22:04, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

MASKED Databook: New Characters
I realize that this is a lot of work, but can we please get details (particularly confirmation on the spelling of names) on these new characters revealed in the new character book Masked. Also, please see Bleach Wiki:Masked Project and Bleach Wiki talk:Masked Project for an awful lot of name change issues caused by the databook (look at your own risk). 22:32, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Forgive any errors for this prelim:

Love's VC was Jinemon Kotsubaki (小椿刃右衛門 Kotsubaki Jinemon) (I think intimated as Sentarou's father/relative???); this one is weird since it seems like it's missing a furigana.

The graph 衛, usu. read ei, means "protection," and seems to be combined with the preceding 右 "right-hand; help, save (? < "offer the right hand") to reinforce this sense (just as in Iba's first name, Tetsuzaemon). However, found the answer: the sequence (右)衛門 -emon itself seems clearly inspired by names like that of the famous Japanese folk hero Goemon Ishikawa.

Rose's VC was Chikane Iba (射場千鉄 Iba Chikane) (Tetsuzaemon's crabby mother???; the same element tetsu, kane "iron, strong" appears in both!)

The previous Kenpachi was Kiganjou (鬼厳城); his former name was Gosuke (五助)

Ginrei's VC was Soujun Kuchiki (朽木蒼純 Kuchiki Soujun) (his son[-in-law]???/Byakuya's father???)

Unohana's VC was (as expected) Seinosuke Yamada (Hanatarou's elder brother/father???)

Yoruichi's VC was Marenoshin Oomaeda (大前田希ノ進 Oomaeda Marenoshin) (Oomaeda's father???)

Kanji to follow when I have more time (read: after someone beats my pathetic ass to doing it :( XD). And forgive my ignorance of other data books, which may already have mentioned these characters, thus making look like a dupe for not having heard of them ;). Adam Restling (talk) 03:52, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Adam, about Kotsubaki... I ran into something like this before; the two kanji symbols with the furigana directly above the space in-between the two of them is supposed to indicate that the pronunciation is supposed to read as Jinemon, but when it's written with kanji, Jinemon's name has... four (?) symbols in it. --Reikson (talk) 04:06, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, 'tis a rare sight to see that much of a gap :). EDIT: Okay, I found out why; it's after Goemon Ishikawa (see above). Adam Restling (talk) 01:36, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Bleach Masked scans
Here is some scans from that new Bleach databook. Of course I have no idea what they say. Hisagi9 00:53, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

More Bleach Masked Scans
Here is two more pages from the new Masked book, though I'm not sure if there is anything new about the Zero Division. I still wonder what they say. Hisagi9 (talk) 18:20, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I did the one for Troop 13:

Juushirou Ukitake

current: same

"Well... this place certainly is so like you."

Troop #13 organization chart

past/present

captain: Juushirou Ukitake

vice-captain: vacant

Juushirou Ukitake who, together with Kyouraku, was the first of the graduates of the "Shinou Reijutsuin" ("true-center soul-technique school") founded by All-captain Yamamoto to be inaugurated as a captain. Formerly he bound his long hair, although only so it was like to a single bundle. His vice-captaincy is a vacant post. Ukitake and those around him support a superior seated officer, Kaien Shiba...

While drinking tea on the veranda, Ukitake prods Kaien concerning his desire to be vice-captain. Though he continues to be refused, Ukitake doesn't give up.

Hopefully that's all pretty correct, and I didn't make any true flubs. The quote from Ukitake signifies that the place/location is "so like [the person he's talking to] (to choose)." It re-iterates how he and Kyouraku were the first graduates of Yamamoto's school to become captains. The prodding of Kaien by Ukitake re: vice-captain" would seem to just mean "about Kaien's desire to remain a vice-captain and not be promoted to captain. Adam Restling (talk) 18:06, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Troop 0 coming soon! Adam Restling (talk) 18:06, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Kubo's comments on new characters
I uploaded the two pages from Kubo's interview in which he comments on the new characters. It would be a great if we could get a general gist of what Kubo is saying for their profiles. Thanks. Tinni  (Talk)  17:44, August 28, 2010 (UTC)