Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-5218928-20140305213023/@comment-5218928-20140308142235

It's almost comically interesting that we're skipping the original point but sure, why not, I'm always up for conversation. I bet I'm gonna be hanged after this; who knows, maybe people will keep civil if things get heated? :P Xilinoc wrote: Really now? You don't think Kubo could've laid out plot points that far in advance?

Uh, yeah - I don't. Remember how the whole Kyoka Suigetsu thing ended up with Ichigo's kung-fu being stronger than Aizen's, and suddenly Kisuke shows up with a JUST AS PLANNED Deus ex Machina spell and the story was done? He had built us up for 300+ episodes, everyone getting theories on how Ichigo would fight against Aizen; that was anti-climatic.

Xilinoc wrote: Well then, allow me to point you to Grand Fisher mentioning Ichigo was a "true blood", Ichigo looking like Kaien, and, oh, I dunno, the whole "I'm Zangetsu" thing from Hollow Ichigo.

Yeah, I remember that. Funny that you mention it: because this Bloodwar arc says that Hollows are poisonous to Quincy and if Ichigo is one, then how could he HOLLOWFY so easily back then? He didn't get sick putting the mask on so many times... there's also the whole issue of how Hollow Ichigo came to be: at first he was born when Ichigo's chain of fate eroded (the mask stuff spitting out of his face, remember?). Then the voice taking over during the Byakuya fight ... next he heard it again in his room and how Hollow Ichigo would take him over ... there's also the whole end fight with Aizen and Ichigo using that Saigo no Getsuga Tensho which should have exhausted all his power: so WHAT power exactly did he exhaust, his then-unheard-of Quincy powers? His Shinigami one? And he got back his Shinigami powers in the Fullbringer arc because all the captains in the Gotei 13 pulled off a Genki Dama, so how does THAT work with everything else?

It's retcon but HEEEEEY --- I like it! (No really, I like it.) It's just that Ichigo is one Gary Stu: he's a Human/Shinigami/Quincy/Fullbringer/Visored/(Hollow?) ... that's doesn't make much sense but didn't he look cool with that Fullbringer bone armor? And what about the Dangai-strengthened Bankai outfit? He looked awesome. He should have kept the bigger haircut.

It makes no sense in continuity but screw continuity! Let's live in the now. I'm cool with that (no really, I am!) ... but it will make hell for people who try to establish continuity in this here Wiki; that's their problem, I guess. (I'm serious here.)

Xilinoc wrote: As for Renji's Shikai and fake Bankai not being related, I'm not saying they don't look similar in appearance or functionality, but looking back it felt unfocused and not something Zabimaru would be like. Yes, looking back now, it does, doesn't it? That's a good point. Who knows, maybe Kubo himself looked back and thought as much; artists use their artbooks to write designer commentaries and talk about this stuff so if it turns out to be true, wouldn't surprise me.

Stefan wrote: Even if you think you know the rules Kubo set for the Bleach universe, it's still his creation, and if he chooses to add to the complexity and depth of the story, then I don't see any problems with that. I'm sure that part of the reason why these late revelations appear too convenient to you, is that Kubo has a stock of ideas for the main characters.

You see, this post is built on a whole bunch of presumptions: "Even if you think...", "I'm sure that" this, "I don't have a problem" that ... it's your opinion; I'm cool with different opinions. But I don't take yours as FACT, and neither should you take mine. I take as facts what Kubo writes and draws and his materials can be questioned; it's by doing this that we have been kept interested this far.

Stefan wrote: How would he keep readers interested through the following 500 chapters, if they knew everything about the characters after the first 100? Same way Howling built her following with the Harry Potter books, and Tolkien with Lord of the Rings: good characters, good story, good story development.

Stefan wrote: Unless he forgets some of the tiles, and the roof starts leaking, why not relax in the sofa, put your feet on the coffee table, and enjoy the show? You might have missed the memo, but that's what I'm doing. 8)

Darkhunter-X wrote: Sorry she does not have enough main character kai. Notice how everyone of the characters that have got a is a main character yeah shes not one. Makes sense. How many characters have we been introduced to, in all of the Bleachverse? I'd risk saying either a hundred, or more.

And just to spice up this post ... let me say that I LOVED seeing Yamamoto getting shred to pieces in this arc. I literally threw my fists into the air and shouted, "YES! NOW THIS STORY IS GOING PLACES!!!" as I flipped through the pages; a crowning moment of awesome for Kubo having balls to kill off such a big character in the Bleachverse.

Later, everyone! :)