Forum:Promotion in Gotei 13

Now that we seen Rukia Kuchiki being promoted to VC, who else among the Gotei 13 do you think have been promoted especially to the Captain Rank ? Frostymoon 13:25 August 5, 2011 (UTC)

i think that Shūhei could make captain if he wanted.Soul reaper magnum (talk) 06:51, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Kubo stated that none of the current lieutenants were ready to be Captains and there were no other seats that needed to be filled aside from Captain slots.--

I think Shuhei could be a captain now since he's got such a hard work ethic, and renji also has potential depending on how well he's mastered is bankai. Ikkaku is already a captain-class shinigami but he doesn't have the desire, too bad. What Kubo said about the leiutenants then is void now as there's been a time gap in the manga and every officer has been training themselves.Johnwayne (talk) 08:28, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

If Kubo said that he felt none of the lieutenants are ready for a promotion, that means he'll introduce newer characters to fill in those empty captain slots. Sasakibe is too hard to notice, Omaeda is fine with his position, Kira is too depressed over Ichimaru's death, Kotetsu has expressed no interest in a promotion, Hinamori is most likely still traumatized over Hitsugaya's stab, Abarai's bankai is still immature, Iba only wanted to be a lieutenant, Ise does most of her captains' work in his place, Hisagi hates his Zanpakuto (i.e. can't get bankai), Matsumoto just wants to be a better fighter, and Kusajishi and Kurotsuchi don't care. Krone8 (talk) 19:03, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

good point--Soul reaper magnum (talk) 23:55, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

To make something clear time skip or no that doesn't disregard Kubo's determination, you have no proof of anyone training themselves and even if they have training doesn't determine a captain position. Secondly while its more likely to introduce new characters the explanations given about the current lieutenants are already addressed by Kubo saying they dont meet the criteria. You have to have a bankai to be a captain but having one doesn't make you captain-class nor put u on the level of a captain. To point out there is no evidence about Izuru's feelings toward Gin or if he cares he is dead more likely he is happy he is. No lieutenant has expressed interest in becoming a captain. Hisagi hating his zanpakuto doesnt mean he cant achieve bankai. To top that off we dont know what anyone particular thoughts are on this issue.--Salubri (Talk)  04:37, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

In the aftermath of Aizen's defeat, Matsumoto stated (while her captain was training) that both shuuhei and renji were probably training also. And while training won't make them a captain, obviously power *is* a major factor in promotion. As far as interest in the position, I don't remember Rukia wanting to become a lieutenant either but look at her. I'm not saying that certain people will becom captains, but the possibility is there now.Johnwayne (talk) 04:45, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Wanting that to be the case and that being the case are two different things. Rukia was not a lieutenant wanting to be a captain which is what i was talking about, the lieutenants. As far as her becoming a lieutenant that was obviously written in the cards. The 13th division needed one and she was the only one in the division capable enough to take the role, this is shown many times over. The issue is captain replacements. Shuhei and Renji training (according to a second party who was making an observation on what was currently taking place, not a observation on why someone was doing what they were doing) is nothing new they always train, most shinigami do. Kubo made it a specific point to address lieutenants becoming captains and said it wont happen, Rukia becoming a lieutenant is not included in that concept. Point being until otherwise stated and shown its baseless speculation.--Salubri (Talk)  05:11, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah the Lieutenants are no where near strong enough to become captains at last sight and unless Kubo proves us wrong I doubt it will happen!! Ikkaku is still keeping his Bankai a secret, irregardless of that pathetic anime arc until the Managa shows otherwise!! Unless somebody has just spontaneously become power-ridden I doubt potential new Captains will be available in Soul Society from the current character Roster!! SunXia  (Chat)  05:57, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

The 13th division's 2nd seat was vacant when kubo stated that only captain seats needed to be filled. So obviously things can change. I'm not saying what I'd like or not like to happen, I was just stating possibilities. Saying that someone can gain power through training is not baseless speculation, nor is saying someone could reach captain-class through power gained (depending on how much power they attain, of course). I personally don't see how anyone (including Rukia) could've been promoted given their last seen power levels, but apparently jumps in power can happen over time.Johnwayne (talk) 10:13, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

However Jammie her win against an Espada was, Rukia was a very powerful Soul Reaper well before the time skip!! She certainly showed more prowess in battle than most of the Lieutenants put together!! The the second seat wasn't really properly vacant given that Ukitake had two 3rd Seats, which was unusual!! The Division still had the same number of high officers as the rest so that point is moot!! The Captain-gaps were really the only things that needed filled given how long Kaien had been gone for!! And training doesn't mean power, a lot of Shinigami never make it to be a seated officer no matter of they train, you are limited by your power levels!! SunXia  (Chat)  11:39, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think shinigami would even bother training if they didn't get stronger though... and with to the nature of zanpakutou (ex. wielders having to subjugate them to aquire new powers/skills), you cannot really gauge the *potential* power of any one shinigami. And if a shinigami trains hard and never gets a seated position, they don't get a major role in the series, save for warning the main characters of danger by randomly getting killed by the enemy (R.I.P., lol!). But seriously from a tactical standpoint, after the gotei 13 captainsin FKT were pwned by Aizen after giving their best (decoys, sneak attacks, tag-teaming and all), I'd hope their subordinants would want to gain power and pick up the slack, you know? If that turns out to be the case, I think Renji and/or Hisagi would be the most likely candidates to fill vacant captain slots, they seem to have the most hunger for power in my opinion (Renji wanting to surpass Byakuya, Hisagi looking up to Kensei since childhood, etc.).Johnwayne (talk) 10:27, August 10, 2011 (UTC)