Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28096256-20160413001736/@comment-28096256-20160414021535

Salubri wrote: The biggest problem is the whole thing is based simply on the concept of size as the entire point for your theory but all indications would be that size means virtually nothing in the end but to classify type of hollow.

I'll start with all the points I agree with you on, then with all the points I don't.

First off, I can understand why you might think size doesn't matter other than telling hollow evolution levels, particularly in Shinigami's sword size control and the simple biggest-medium-small arrangement of the system.

Second, The whole Segunda Etapa thing I came up with is a pretty unseated conjecture, it seemed logical but it's also entirely possible that it's wrong.

Third, as I said, I never read the manga, so until I looked it up just now I didn't know what White was, and assumed (wrongly) that Ichigo did partially become a new hollow in Shattered Shaft.

Now for the counterpoints.

First, there is a reason I specified that size mattered, and it was this- can you name any time a soul reaper hollowfied completely, into out-of-control mode, that wasn't also soul reaper sized?

Also, White is made of Shinigami stuff (Hence the name "white"), and also remarkeably (or not) possess a basically shinigami sized body.

On top of that, all of the known complete hollowfications of shinigami possessed immense power despite not technically being that shinigami in terms of reiatsu. White too possessed huge amounts of strength, enough to compete with captain level Shinigami and Ulquiorra Cifer.

Next up, so what if the known VL's are underwhelming. As I said earlier, VL's are like the Hollow based equivalent of a Vizard. It's not like ALL the Vizards are multiple-captain level badasses who can defeat any opponent either. I am willing to bet there are VL's ranging in strength from less than Lisa and Mashida's power to greater than Shinji's power, even if only by a bit.

About Aizen's possible lying about the limits of captains, if he was lying about that why would he waste his time trying to first hybridize hollows and soul reapers, and then exceed them? He seems pretty serious about it to me. Otherwise, he would simply have to work to become a stronger Soul Reaper.

Also, if you want to get technical about the evolution of Hollows, than consider this. From what you said, how fractured the Menos's multiple consciences are determines a hollow's evolution.

"The Menos are giants but mentally fractured of many minds working as one you could say. Adjuchas was smaller but more intelligent, not as fractured. Vasto Lorde were human sized and the far more intelligent and single minded."

This is actually completely truth, and follows my theory to the letter. I think I simply poorly expressed myself when I wrote it. The idea is that as hollows approach single-mindedness, they start by doing a craptastic job at it (Gillians), then develop into a far better form for it (Adjuchas) but think about it: how does eating several thousand hollows make a Menos more stable? It's not like eating is what helped Adjuchas become less fractured. It was simply the power of the controlling hollow that evolved Menoses to Adjuchas level. Since we know that Shinigami power is largely based upon harmony between the parts of a Shinigami's strength (it's Zanpakuto spirit and it's wielder), a Vasto Lorde's elimination of its fracturing problem could be dependent upon the harmonizing effects of soul reaper powers.

Anyways, thanks for the honest response. Ask any question and I'll certainly try to answer it (unless its the SE thing, which honestly was added junk)