Forum:Death Scare to ask any question regarding this wiki???

Death Scare to ask any question regarding this wiki???
what should I do then - when I read some question being put down on here - and some answer was so demeaning - I mean this is quite scary - so can anyone lay down here anything even I have read about this site's policy - what are the proper ways to ask things in here - and is it acceptable to demean people when it was deemed a stupid question - does demeaning people when answering the question acceptable at all?IamSickaHorrow 17:53, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually we are all really friendly here ^.^ Seriously, we are! However, what you must understand is there there are certain questions that come-up with a certain frequency that just really wears down our patience. Take me for example, more then HALF my edits are in response to repeat questions. >.< Not cool! In addition, I at least am 100x nicer when someone posts a question on my personal talk page about something on the wiki that confuses them. This is because I can tailor the response to that user alone and don't have to worry making it well... a general, impersonal answer which may also have to have a decisive tone so that the discussion on the talk page can be brought to an end. In addition, I also have very low tolerance for stupid question on article talk pages because they are waste of time and space and often betray a staggering lack of effort on the part of the original asker. However, I am more tolerant of people askings "stupid questions" on my personal talk page because 1. it's my talk page so I don't mind if space get's wasted there, 2. since the user made the effort to look me up - it shows that they aren't being frivolous. In addition, I don't think we are all that demeaning. People, however, are often quick to take criticism personally. For example, in the discussion just above us I said Your point is utterly illogical and therefore will not be considered, DrKaii clearly took it as a personal attack and that I was calling him and idiot. The thought never crossed my mind. My comment on his point being illogical was just that, his point was illogical in the context of the wiki. The primary source of the wiki is the manga, therefore it is illogical to even consider a scenario where the manga content has to be separated and hidden. Not every idea/suggestion/point you bring up is going to be well received. But criticism of the idea/suggestion/point should not be taken personally, but for what it is, criticism of idea/suggestion/point only. Tinni   (Talk)  18:38, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Just ask a question and someone will answer. Make sure it is asked in the right place though. Some users like to demean others as we really don't have a policy against it but for the most part we are nice. Just don't ask stupid questions :)--God (Pray)  17:59, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

sorry I think there is no stupid question only people deemed or assume it be stupid. question are not demeaning people but people in here when answering some new user question seems to be demeaning quite a lot and I am chicken scared!!!Soulreaper1234 18:04, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Okay I think this could be out of hand - and I am so sorry because I was reading people's comments on here - I dont mean any harm - thanks for commenting on this one you 2IamSickaHorrow 18:11, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

The discussion was closed so I could not respond but just to clarify (and as you will see, this comment goes well under this header). I am not an anime-only fan, and I am sorry for inferring from your words that it was a manga-only site, now I fully understand and I thank you. However, the point I was trying to make was that I made a very simple query/request about something, and the response was aggressive and rude. Personally I agree with the idea of having a Bleach Universe site and I don't hate this site at all, and I definately did not baselessly attack it. I admit I did attack those who responded to me though, and the fact that they are moderators and can be so rude DOES say a lot about the site itself and its leadership. I apologise for being so strong about it, but I was hurt. If you re-open the discussion I will remove the comment and make it more clear what I meant.

All I did was request that manga spoilers be hidden. All that was required was a "no, we have an established policy - this site defines manga as primary, anime as secondary, sorry". Instead I got two responses that firstly used enough strong language, unnecessary adjectives and adverbs ("utterly illogical" for example), and unnecessary instructions ("if you don't like it go to another site" - how rude a response to such a polite and innocent request!) to show that the writers clearly thought there was a need to scold me for my opinion, and secondly made untrue assumptions about my opinion in the first place. Who ever said that I disagreed with the idea that anime is secondary to manga? All I asked for was perhaps a way of hiding manga spoilers, not getting rid of them, so those of us with patience are still able to use the site.


 * Ok I was asking too much, but there was no need to be rude to me about it. I was never rude to you in my request, it is common courtesy to therefore treat me with the respect I showed you. So in your "defense" of your site, you failed to defend it at all. Instead of defending my accusation that you were rude, you simply went on to defend that you are right in the matter of manga/anime policy and I am still wrong (something I never contested!), being rude to me yet again. In fact, I don't see why I need to be compared to "manga-only fans who INSIST..."?! Am I an anime only fan? Did I "INSIST" anything? Why do I deserve the same rude response as them?Reopen the discussion, I will apologise for calling you an anime hater and stick this comment in. DrKaii 18:14, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

All right here is the response you were looking for. This site treats the manga as the primary source of info. In doing so, we have established that everything on the site come from the manga first and the anime comes second. The anime is treated as non canon and so hiding the info about the manga would go against what we are doing on this site. So unfortunately we will not be hiding the manga info, sorry--God (Pray)  18:23, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well done DrKaii 18:27, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

well not all the people on here are rude anywayIamSickaHorrow 18:35, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry, what is wrong with calling a chicken, a chicken. You raise an illogical point and I said it was illogical. In addition, there was nothing polite about your request. It was rather presumptuous and quite annoying. You jumped straight into "let's find ways to hide manga spoilers" <- highly presumptuous. The annoying part is a little longer. Firstly, it's the 100+ time some one from the "anime-only" or "manga-only" camp has tried to change the wiki. Secondly, you tired to make a fundamental change to the wiki that betrayed you utter ignorance of the wiki as a whole, utter ignorance of even the FRONT PAGE of the wiki where it says in "this is a Bleach universe" wiki AND it shows a lack of sensibility towards non-anime-only users of the wiki. In addition, whoever said that you CAN'T be scolded for your opinion? Why does everybody think that just because it's there opinion it's above criticism? NO, I assure that if you opinion is based on lack of evidence, lack of thought or otherwise lacking, it can and should be ripped to shreds! Believe me I am doing you a service. How else are you going to learn how to construct arguments and state your opinions in a meaningful way if every dumb, stupid and just plain wrong opinions are treated the same as well constructed and good opinions. You can choose to take it personally or you can look at objectively and realise that it is criticism of your opinion only and not an attack of you as a person. Tinni  (Talk)  18:38, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * PS. We aren't rude but some people just have fragile egos. >.> Tinni   (Talk)  18:43, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Tinni, you are rather rude at points. As one of the higher ups on this site you should try and make people feel welcome and if their opinion is wrong put it kindly instead of ripping them a new one. Your people skills are not great. I think if we were all a little kinder we would get less repeated questions and less ongoing fights--God (Pray)  19:19, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * rolls eyes I am not rude. I simply enforce the rules. That alone seems to bruise peoples egos. Honestly people, can you lot not differentiate between being critical of an edit (or opinion) and critical of you as a person? Also, not mincing words does not equal being rude. It's called being direct. Tinni   (Talk)  21:49, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

It is easy to forget that this wiki is a lot more regimented than most others, even for huge sites like the One Piece wiki or the Final Fantasy wiki aren't as strict on things like trivia and don't have the formal manual of style etc, let alone sites for smaller or older manga like D'Gray Man and Trigun. It's difficult to get used to exactly how things are done here.

Don't get me wrong i love that this site looks so professional because of the way it is organised and the other sites i go on i try and adopt the same policy so it is a very good thing just hard to get used to at first.

now for someone like me who is well over a few hundred edits i can say that i should know better than to ask a stupid question and would deserve a more severe warning for doing something wrong or asking a well trodden question (do i want to see another question on Vasto Lorde!!!) but for someone who had only just joined the community they aren't aware of what is well trodden ground and what isnt and should probably be treated a little more leniently at least for the first few times. I know it's all there in the manuals and policies but who really wants to sit down for a few hours doing studying when they've first joined.

For people who have been here a long time and are sick of repeating themselves why not just ignore a question and let one of us that haven't been around so long give a more appropriately worded response which will stop people wanting to leave. We we all new to this once, even those of us with several thousand edits. Wolfwood (Shoot) 21:27, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I would have to agree with the person starting this forum. The more experienced users, and some of the moderators tend to be quite rude when dealing with newcomers to this wiki, a reason why I will no longer be editing here. Keep in mind that I myself am a moderator on more than one, more than two, even more than three wikis so I know for sure that a Moderator staff can be direct and remain logical without appearing to be rude or looking down on a newbie. Tinni, you are one of the ones that I commonly butt heads with around here, and instead of referring to a place in the rules where I can go look up and correct my mistake, you insult or rudely put me down. And I don't believe I'm the only one here that has had that done to them. As an admin you should try to be a little more patient with newcomers. You will find that it makes them feel welcome and they will want to correct thier mistakes if you are a bit kinder. ~ NOTASTAFF Ryun Uchiha (Ten Tailed Fox, Getsueikirite-taichou) (talk) 00:24, June 10, 2010 (UTC)