Forum:Black Cero

Oscuras
Do we know for sure it's a zanpakutou ability that only released espada can use, is it an ability exclusive to Murcielago, or is it useable in lots of circumstances? I question the validity of the statement "presumably only used by espada in their released state" when Grimmjow used Gran Rey Cero and not Black Cero against Ichigo. 04:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ulquiorra himself states that is an Espada's fully power up Cero, but he also tells Ichigo that his Kuro Getsuga looks like his Cero so i can see where the confusion comes in. As for Grimmjow's Gran Rey Cero he used it while his Zanpakuto was still sealed, whis may mean that one is used while having ones Zanpakuto sealed and the other one after releasing it. Since there is no more info avaliable I say that saying that is a release only Espada Cero would be a good interpretation of what Ulqiorra stated. WhiteStrike 04:23, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to have to disagree with you on the sealed/released thing here. What Ulquiorra said was that Cero Oscurus is the cero of a released Espada, not that it was their fully powered up cero. We cannot say that Gran Rey Cero is impossible to use while released, as that simply has not been proven. According to Grimmjow, Gran Rey Cero is the most powerful cero and also going by Ulquiorra's statement about the rules of Las Noches, that is most likely true. Keep in mind though, that Ulquiorra's Cero Oscurus is still probably more powerful than Grimmjow's Gran Rey Cero, but only because of the huge gap in power between the two Espada.
 * In that case, it makes no sense for Ulquiorra to use Cero Oscura instead of Gran Rey Cero, unless he was just toying with Ichigo. And are we sure that it's available to all arrancars in their released state, or is it just exclusive to Ulquiorra when Murcielago is released? 22:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The black cero is only usable by Espada of number 4 an above. I'm pretty sure he said that, I would need to re-read to check though. I'm pretty sure that is what it is. When Grimmjow said that the Gran Ray Cero is the strongest, he was most likely referring to it being the strongest that Espada over 4 can use. That or Tite just made a boo boo :p Acacia Akiyama 04:17, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ulquiorra probably used Cero Oscura because of its parallel to Ichigo's Getsuga, and also because there was no need for a stronger cero. And from the current scans wording, Ulquiorra implies that any espada is able to use Cero Oscura, hes just using a fully powered one to show its strength.  --Utae

I would say, that Cero Oscuras is the strongest Cero, which espadas above 4 are able to use. Think about it: Ichigo stopped Gran Rey Cero, but could not stop Cero Oscuras. In fact, he barely survived it, so I say, Cero Oscuras is a lot more powerful, than Gran Rey Cero, and it's only for Espadas above 4. If thay can use this in they released form only, or not? I don't know. We never saw a Cero Oscuras from a sealed Espada.


 * You may not be wrong, but im still not sure. grimmjow uses a grand rey cero unreleased and ichigo stops it with his mask.  and grimmjow is number 6. He used a fully charged cero oscuras while he was released.  i think theres a huge power difference there, haha.  it should also be noted that ulquiorra states that ichigos getsuga resembles "his" cero, possible meaning the cero oscuras has different variations.  See here. -Utae

About the statement, that there is no rule, which makes Cero Oscuras in Las Noches forbidden: There is a Rule, which makes released espadas above 4 in las noches forbidden - Ulquiorra stated and proved this himself. And because there is a rule against Gran Rey Cero, but there is no rule against Cero Oscuras, that could mean, that only Espadas above 4 can use Cero Oscuras, and only in their released form. Because if you have a rule against the released form, you don't need a rule against something, an Esapada can only use in his released form.

Starrk
Alright, Ulquiorra claims a released Espada fires Cero Oscuras, but when Starrk is released, he only fires normal ceros, though with little recoil and in fast succession, but still, if it's in a release, shouldn't they be Cero Oscuras?

Nah, as far as we know Ulquiorra is the only one seen so far to use Cero Oscuras. The only cero variation Starrk has been seen using is Cero Metralleta. Wether other Espada are capable of Cero Oscuras is unknown as we have yet to see anyone else use a black cero. Prophet of Sanghelios 09:33, June 1, 2010 (UTC)