Talk:Kūgo Ginjō

Cero?
Hey, I've been watching Kugo's Battle with Ichigo again, and his energy beam sounds exactly like a Cero. So why isn't it marked as one? Miraibuu (talk) 03:01, April 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * This was brought up more than a few times when the episode first aired. As it stands (and I'm paraphrasing from Salubri here), the only races whose members are capable of firing Cero are Hollow, Arrancar, and Visored, and Kūgo is none of those as far as we know. In addition, it's best to just stay away from his Fullbring section in general because it's been explained about as well as Unohana's Bankai has in terms of abilities, so for right now we're erring on the side of caution and not making any claims as to what that beam really is. Hope that helps.--Xilinoc (talk) 03:44, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

The facts are: If he shows up later and says "I can use Cero" fine proof its a Cero but the Manga outweighs the Anime which only made a Cero sound after he was specifically talking about the Hollow parts within him which looks more like an error since there was always Hollow parts within him, he was always using his abilities given to him as a result of a Hollow attack!! So yeah, this discussion has been brought up time and again, no point in going in circles, discussion closed!!
 * Kūgo already has an Energy based attack that has nothing to do with Cero and in the manga it is just an upgraded version of that attack!!
 * It was the anime that added the sound and yet the sound was never made before when he used energy based attacks but during that fight when he goes "I have Hollow in me" they suddenly make an attack that had nothing to do with Cero in the first place, sound like a Cero!!
 * There is no evidence that any other Fullbringer can use Cero and they all have Hollow in them as well, every single one of them since that is how Fullbringers are created!! The only one of them who used Energy based attacks like that was Kūgo and to suddenly change that attack into a Cero because the Anime changed it once wouldn't be accurate!!

Fullbring Distribution
As a former Substitute Shinigami, Kugo has the power to transfer Fullbring power between himself and his other Fullbringers. That power also extends to where he can forcibly take it from someone else, such as in the case of Ichigo's fullbring. I've noticed several different abilites (Fullbring absorption, FUllbring transferance, and to the extent ability replication) outlined in his Abilties category and concluded that its all under that same category.

Great Spritual Power instead?
So, I noticed that Ginjō's power level is described as "High". But I honestly disagree with that and think it should be upped to "Great". I mean, Ginjō did fight evenly with Bankai Ichigo after the timeskip, and even if Ginjō lost, he put up a much better fight than a mere Lieutenant level would have been able to. Plus, if you want to take it into account, the CFYOW novel does show at various points that Ginjō was one of the powerhouses of the "anti-Tokinada" alliance. Timjer (talk) 16:12, 9 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Agreed, like with Kariya I think Ginjō got lowballed for one reason or another (or was just set to High when he first displayed power, then never adjusted accordingly). Great seems a lot more fitting, going by what I remember of his final fight in the manga.--Xilinoc (talk) 21:00, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

I like to add an anecdote to the whole "Cero" discussion.
Given Kugo's statements in the first two pages of Chapter 476 pretty much contextualized the whole Energy Beam/Cero discussion but I want new feedback on why it would still be consider speculation at this time now.AnonymousAnomani (talk) 15:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey there. So those pages that say "I have Hollow Powers too"? That assertion is that he has the powers of a Hollow. Hollows don't necessarily use Cero, they have to be a certain level of Hollow. Kugo used an energy based attack before. He never said "Cero". The anime just animated it to sound like one.
 * The fact that Kugo states that he has the powers of a Hollow in the same chapter he does his attack should be validation enough. Also not to be a skeptic, the argument of "having to be a certain level of Hollow" would be considered biased logic based on Western preconception of a Japanese manga, which is written predominantly for Japan and Asian audiences foremost. English-speakers are NOT Shueisha's target demographic. So instead I'm gonna open up a new line of discussion regarding the Cero technique itself.AnonymousAnomani (talk) 20:43, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Changing the article to refer to him as "Ginjō" instead
It seems to be far more common in the manga and anime to refer to him as Ginjō, yet the wiki uses Kūgo instead. I would change all instances I find of his name (not just this page) to Ginjō, but I'd like to know if that's fine. Gold3263301 (talk) 23:21, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Go right ahead, used-name consistency is something I've been pushing for for a while now and that's perfectly in line with it.--Xilinoc (talk) 06:18, 13 December 2022 (UTC)