Talk:Sklaverei

Uryū as a user?
Considering the description and effects of Sklaverei are pretty much exactly the same as what Uryū did when using the Quincy: Letzt Stil, shouldn't we also add him as a user, and update his own page with it? Timjer (talk) 09:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I would say no, for one crucial reason: Sklaverei let Quilge absorb other beings and their power into his own body, while Uryū only broke down inanimate objects to add to his torch wing. Quilge's the same guy who said Letzt Stil was outdated and imperfect, so by that logic it wouldn't be able to go as far as Vollständig did with Sklaverei. Also, I'm against retroactively saying people used certain abilities unless the manga specifically said they did (e.g. Zangetsu with Shadow) to avoid speculation.--Xilinoc (talk) 21:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Sklaverei in CFYOW
I did some checking and Sklaverei isn't quite stated to decompose Reishi "to its most fundamental level" in CFYOW (though we can interpret it as such). The following is the excerpt from Chapter 3.

"Japanese"

- の最終形態である、その際に生まれるによる『』の力があれば、周囲の霊子を全て分解して強制隷属させる事が可能となる. 本来ならば霊子の質がにとっての毒であるの霊子も、一度完全に分解する事で無害なものとして取り込む事も可能であった.

"Viz translation"

- A Voll Stern Dich was a Quincy's final form. As long as they had the Sklave Rai ability from their heiligenschein halo, they could decompose all the reishi around them and force the particles to submit to them. Even Hollow reishi, which was naturally poisonous to Quincies, could be fully decomposed and therefore absorbed by Quincies without harm.

I've checked and the Viz translation is pretty accurate in my understanding. It only says that the Hollow Reishi could be "completely decomposed". I know they probably mean the same thing but I think having a more direct quotation is safer in case there's any different implication and interpretation.

One more thing is that based on both CFYOW and the new information in Episode 16 of TYBW (382 overall), I don't see that there's a contradiction. The novel simply states that Hollow Reishi could be taken in as "harmless" once completely decomposed, while the anime states that Quilge "wasn't able to completely control its power". Quilge wasn't "harmed" in such a way similar to Cang Du or BG9, only that he lacked a complete control and "his appearance crumbled". As far as we know, Quilge was safe from harm. Moreover, in the same chapter in CFYOW, Liltotto wants to use Vollständig to absorb the Reishi of the Arrancar they're fighting but obviously can't because they lost their Vollständig. She could eat the Arrancar to achieve the same effect "but poison is still poison" and she would've gotten horrible heartburn, implying that using Sklaverei on Arrancar wouldn't have been poisonous and given her that problem. LightKeyDarkBlade (talk) 16:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I also don't think there is a contradiction. The transformation Quilge experienced still enhanced his powers, just gave him a more grotesque form without harming him in any way. --RyuHousen (talk) 06:32, 1 September 2023 (UTC)