Talk:Jūshirō Ukitake

Enhanced Durability
I think he has the worst durability of all captains because of his illness. Note that most of his fight with Yamamoto was unseen. Also he has a Water-Type Zanpakutoh so he could simply have blocked the attacks from Yama's Fire-type.--Suzumushi 21:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I think you maybe confusing endurance with durability, they arent the same thing. Durability is his ability to take damage and endurance is the same as stamina. His stamina maybe affected by his illness (which he has not shown any signs of lately) but has nothing to do with his ability to take damage. Also yes he does have a zanpakuto that can manipulate water but, as you stated all you saw him do was release it you didnt see him use its ability, while the generals is automatic release ability. So its unfair to simply discount the fact that he stood against the general who has a zanpakuto that has the most powerful attack power in soul society amd he came out unscathed. If the general idea is he has to be weak cause he's sick then he wouldnt have survived as long as he has as one of the oldest captains. By that definition yama should be weak too cause hes so old but we know thats not the case. Salubri 22:49, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

tuberculosis?
when was this confirmed? does it really make your hair white--Kisukeiscool100396 21:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

It apparently makes you sickly to that point. But yea he has been stated to have the sickness since the beginning of the series, its not so much been said that its tuberculosis but the symptoms are the same so its one of those things kubo conveyed but never so much stated directly. But interestingly enough he hasnt been shown to be sick in some time. Salubri 21:21, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Abilities graph
This has really been annoying me for a while now, Yamamoto himself had stated that Ukitake and Shinsui are stronger than any other previous or current captain (excluding Aizen) and even when he was sick Yamamoto still said it but I saw that for example Byakuya rated 510 whereas Ukitake had 490, it doesn't make sense.--SalmanH 07:08, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Because, though he IS stronger than other captains, one of the aspects that were graded in those graphs was "Physical strength". And though Ukitake is strong, and could possibly defeat Byakuya in a real fight, that lack of Physical strength does incapacitate him to some extent (as we saw when Kaien was merged with Metastacia), thus making him overall weaker than some other captains. It's like Kenpachi, he's possibly one of the strongest, but he ranked last according to those graphs, because he had 0 points in Kido, while Hitsugaya, who is one of the weakest, had a very high score because his score was balanced in all aspects. The graphs measure the average capability of each captain to fight under different circumstances, based on the general abilities and features that a Shinigami should have. I strongly believe that they don't set any sort of "ranking" because the circumstances make a big difference depending on each of them (probably, no other captain but Mayuri could've defeated Szayel so easily). I don't know if I explained myself. Lia Schiffer 09:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok besides for that explanation being partially right let it be said that anyone determination that Hitsuguya is the least powerful Captain is basically a belief of those who have a personal dislike of him and not a basic fact. Secondly the graph is just a graph what it says is not really what is used to determine the abilities as whats up there is whats actually known about the abilities possessed. Besides being a general depiction of their abilities in comparison to those shinigami who are not captains. Everyone has greater strengths or weaknesses, one being the fact that Ukitake is sick and therefore his strength is effected thus limiting the potential of his hand to hand combat or more so his endurance in battle while Yamamoto would be effected because of his advanced age. Salubri 10:48, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Alright thanks for the input, the graph does give a general read out of abilities I got that from you earlier but it doesn't really give an accurate reading of the characters powers, this is kind of just my way of thinking about the answer, guess I'll just have to live with it, see ya.--SalmanH 14:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Also according to the graphs Kenpachi is 100 pionts lower because of his kido but he was able to take two captains at once. Also really the graph only goes to 100 so his offense and strength is probaly above 100. Proving this graph is quite inaccurate. User:DieJARJARDIE 18:52, 23 May 2009 (UTC)