Bleach Wiki talk:Policy & Standards Committee

Nomination- Lemursrule
I am nominating Lemursrule for a position on the committee. Lemurs has been around for a while and is known around the wiki for her weekly blogs. Recently, she was given her own project to helm and has kicked her editing up. She is quite active and is a pleasure to work and speak with. Therefore, I place her name up for nomination.--


 * As the nominator, I support her--
 * I support this because she is a frequent member, people recognize her and she's head of a project, which she is dedicated to so she might as well be here!! SunXia   (Chat)  06:55, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I always thought she was an awesome user, and she's been here for a long time so I'm positive that she is aware of the various policies in place on the site. In addition, she has been given, and has been doing a lot of work for, her own project, so I think she should be a committee member.
 * I certainly have no reason to oppose. I have seen that she has become head of the recently formed Media Project, and is handling that well. No problems have occurred with her in regards to her edits. Despite not interacting with her much, I can give my support. ---Mr. N (Discuss)   02:14, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Chat Rules
Now that our chat is getting fairly active, we need to set down some rules for use and behavior. I talked with Salubri and he believes its best if the committee comes up with some ideas and we'll see what goes from there. Below, I will put down some rules taken from other wikis I have seen that I think would be beneficial here. Voice your opinion on any of them or leave your own idea. Nothing is set in stone yet, we just need to flesh out some of these rules.

Spam and Vandalism - obviously, we need rules against basic stuff such as spam or vandalism. No using chat for advertising, posting the same thing over and over and/or vandalizing with defaming remarks and the like.

No Caps - Adapted from the rule on Community Central, users should not be using all capital letters, otherwise called shouting. The occasional use for emphasis is alright but excessive use is not alright.

No Trolling - Users should not be trolling or purposefully annoying other users in the chat.

Edit Count Requirement - Pokemon wiki was the first to adapt this rule and I have seen a few wikis adapt it since. A mainspace edit count of a certain number is required to get on chat. Users not meeting the requirement are asked to leave the chat until they have enough edits.

No Roleplaying - an extension of our fan fiction rules. Users should not be using chat to roleplay. If they want to roleplay, they can go to the Bleach Fan Fiction Wiki chat.

Language - keep harsh language to a minimum. No swearing, no self censoring, just keep it clean.

Comment and discuss.--

I agree with all these, I think it would be wise to have basic ground rules and none of these are out of the question. My only concern is that we do not try to be too selective with the edit count, because it might turn potential editors away. -- 23:25, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * We can set the edit count requirement reasonably low. 10 edits should be fine. Just enough so that it shows they are going to actually be contributing to the site.--

That sounds very reasonable, 10 edits should be more than enough. -- 01:21, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I agree!! Should be implemented!!

These rules seem suitable for a basic foundation for the chat feature. I may also suggest some sort of rule regarding posts that attack, insult, flame, defame, and/or abuse others (which may follow along the lines of Spam and Vandalism or Language). I am not sure if a user can be blocked from chat, but maybe a block policy if blocks can be done? And this is off-topic but...is the | Policy Violations page still something being used? I know that problematic users come and go, and many of them are generally dealt with by Committee members, so they are not necessarily warned by an Admin (and put on said page). Part of the reason that I ask is because it seems like something similar could be useful for the Committee and partly because the list on the page is dated. Obviously, this is not the most pressing thing to look into, but I thought I would voice this observation. ---Mr. N (Discuss)   01:50, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * The policy violations page, to my knowledge, has not been used in a very long time. That said, it might not be difficult to repurpose the page to allow for the committee members to add on to it. We'd have to talk it over with the admins but that might work well.--

I'm in agreement with all of these policies, and as long as the edit count requirement stays reasonably low (10 sounds perfect) I don't see it harming the activity on chat.

Resigning
This is extremely embarrassing, but, unfortunately I have to resign from the Committee. Being the head of a project on this site as well as being a member of the Policy & Standard's Committee was exciting and I feel very honored to have been given the chance to help the Bleach Wiki in such a way, but, as I'm sure all of you have noticed, I haven't been making nearly as many edits as a Committee member should. And this is because I bit off more than I could chew. I'm the head Administrator and sole Bureaucrat of the FT wiki and I thought I could balance my work there with my work here, but I can't. At first it seemed easy, but we are constantly getting new things on the wiki (monthly magazines, competitions, comics, etc.) and I'm usually expected to be at the center of all of those things. On a good day, I only have four hours to get online because I have to balance wiki work with my RL work and on Wednesdays I can hardly get online at all. I love working here at the Bleach wiki, but I just don't think I have enough time to do so anymore. Don't mistake my message however, I'm not leaving the wiki, I just know my level of activity is no where near Committee standards so I think it'd be for the best if I left the Committee. Sorry everyone.

I am sorry to see you go, but I understand. I wish you the best.-- 21:05, March 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry to see you go Jakuho, good luck with Fairy Tail wiki. I'll catch you around Community Central and remember that you are always welcome to return to the committee should you find the time to become active here again.--
 * Thanks so much guys.

Aww sorry dude, wish you luck with Fairy Tail!!

Very sorry to see you go Jakuho. Best of luck with FT Wiki. Seems to be thriving at the moment. 11:13, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

A shame to see you go, but quite understandable. Best of luck with Fairy Tail wiki. It really is quite excellent and doing well! ---Mr. N (Discuss)   14:41, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone, I really appreciate it. :)

Policy Violations Page - Additional Tool for Committee?
Hello everyone. I am not sure if everyone saw my comment about the Policy Violations page under the Chat Rules section, but I basically voiced my observation about the page apparently not being actively used and that it might a tool for the Committee (for keeping track of problematic users that the Administrators might not catch). To give a summary about the page, the Policy Violations page is/was something used by the Administrators to keep track of “all users who have received a warning from one of the Admins for failing to follow one or more of the Bleach Wiki's official policies.” Godisme’s response to my comment on that was: “The policy violations page, to my knowledge, has not been used in a very long time. That said, it might not be difficult to re-purpose the page to allow for the committee members to add on to it. We'd have to talk it over with the admins but that might work well.”

So, I am formally requesting feedback on this; do we want/want to consider having a similar page for Committee use? It might work well to have information on problematic users centralized for all to see, instead of having it spread out over various users’ chat pages. Of course, this is not the most pressing issue, so it certainly is something that does not need to decided upon immediately. Thanks in advance!---Mr. N (Discuss)   20:23, March 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I support something like this!! I like to keep a record of things and offences people have committed on other forums and things!! For example, like Sock Puppets of abusive members and things!! Should keep a record of their patterns so we know how to identify spammers and flammers and Trolls!!


 * Some maintenance would be required on the page to get it working how we need it but I think it would be a good idea. We would need to take a look at the people on there now and clear out many of the unrecognized names of people long past but it could work.--


 * Sorry it took be so long to reply to this, but I think with all the spammers and trolls lately, this would be a good addition.-- 18:26, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

So I think everyone is in agreement on having a tool like this. Let's see about getting the administrators' feedback since the committee is in agreement about having a Policy Violations page. ---Mr. N (Discuss)   01:29, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Anime Summary Project
As you may have noticed, this project has basically taken a back seat, personally I've been trying to do the technique gifs which is taking so long due to so many of the episodes now being unavailable!! however anyway, with IamJakuhoRaikoben's retirement, it is now leaderless as well!! God and I were discussing if anyone would like to take this up!! Obviously, I'm downloading a lot of episodes at the moment and when I can I like to do the summary and images at the same time, two birds one stone so I wouldn't mind taking it up, especially now the Anime is done for now, there will not be so much pressure in this area so I can have more lee-way with it!! I've basically been thinking of going backwards, arc at a time for those episodes I feel are lacking an extended narrative/images!! Those are my ideas, if anyone else wants to chip in or claim it?? It's fine, I know I have a lot to do due to GIFs and stuff but I will be getting the episodes that I can anyway!!

I personally do not feel it is appropriate for me to claim leadership for the Anime Summary Project. This is not to say that I don't want to help, but I don't think my situation lends me to being able to fully commit. However, I can offer some assistance should you need it. ---Mr. N (Discuss)   01:29, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Since there have been no objections, I have placed SunXia as the leader of the Anime Summary Projects. Mr. N, feel free to help in any capacity you can.--

Nomination - Glass Heart
I am placing Glass Heart up for nomination into the committee. Since joining the wiki, she has proved to be a capable editor and willing to help out where its needed. She handled an Arc summary with no problems and has recently taken up the Chronology Project, one of our more difficult projects we have here on the wiki. I think Glass would make a perfect addition to the committee.-- -- 06:23, July 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) As nominator, I support--
 * 2) Funny thing I was thinking about nominating her myself. She has been very helpful and she would be an excellent addition to the committee. She follows the rules and is respectful to others, a more than worthy candidate.
 * 1) Sure she's been doing a lot!!
 * 2) I have no issues. I have not interacted with her much, but I have seen her around the site doing quite a bit of work. Her qualification to be on the Committee is certainly backed by her taking up the Chronology Project. ---Mr. N  (Discuss)   18:44, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Glass Heart as Co-Head for Anime Summary Project
I've had a discussion with Glass about being Co-head with me as to lighten the load and to discuss innovations on improving articles as 1) the Anime is finished and so it's a great time to do such a thing and 2) throughout this project the standard has gradually risen from what they were in the beginning and it would be good to do a thorough check and improvement over all the arcs!! If anyone has a problem, discuss it here otherwise I will go ahead and add her soon!!


 * It's your project, you appoint whoever you want.--
 * Grand just making sure!!

Nominations - Mohrpheus and KuroAshi98
Alright, 2 nominees this time.

Mohrpheus
Mohrpheus was the former 3rd seat of the committee before he became inactive due to starting college and other things keeping him busy. Mohrph is now back and pretty much doing more work than any ever before, getting translations from the translation corner, working on Article Improvement projects and editing anything he sees. As a former member of the committee, he knows how the committee operates and is familiar with all the policies of the site. It is therefore that I nominate him to rejoin the committee.
 * 1) As nominator--
 * 2) I don't think I have much reason to oppose.
 * 3) Morph's a good guy and he has been very active, I don't see any reason to oppose.-- 01:39, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) It is precisely because he is a former member of the committee, having seen his previous work before,  that I can support this nomination. Very good to see that a member from the past make a return.---Mr. N  (Discuss)   17:32, October 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) Been very active, especially why I was away, keep it up!!

KuroAshi98
Kuro is a much needed image guy. Give him a project and its done by morning. He is good with gifs as well and could provide Sun with help in the image department as well as in the Image Unit. I believe he would make a great addition to the team.
 * 1) As nominator--
 * 2) Response is the same as above.
 * 3) He is reliable and has been very helpful in picking up the slack around here. -- 01:40, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Having not interacted with Kuroashi98 before, I cannot speak of his conduct when interacting with other users or how acquainted he is with policies. That being said, I can say that he does look to have some skills working with images (from looking at his contribution history). I currently see no particular reason to oppose his nomination.---<font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">Mr. N  <font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">(Discuss)   17:32, October 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) I do need help with images and stuff as we know I can get sick, however want to see more and well he knows to check the categories and galleries!! Grand!!

Nomination - Xilinoc
Xilinoc has nominated himself for a spot in the committee. Please place your votes below.-- To be perfectly honest, I should abstain from voting since I have not interacted with Xilinoc. However, I haven't seen any major problems from his edits. And looking at his contribution log (as of 02/13/2013), his qualifications do appear to be in order (in the context of his edits for the Grammar Corner). I am inclined to support, and I don't have any particular reason to oppose.---<font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">Mr. N <font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">(Discuss)   18:28, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Xil has taken charge of the grammar corner since he started on the site. He has been on regularly and has taken to really refining all the articles to bring them up to standard grammar wise. I think he would make an excellent addition to the committee.--
 * 2) I see no reason to oppose. Xil is a great editor on the wiki.
 * 3) Xil's been doing a lot of good work on here, and he's easy enough to get along with. He's clearly up to speed on all of our policies.  Mohrpheus   (Talk)  01:53, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) Xi has been a wonderful editor ever since he started here. Not only is he a great editor, he is a delight to interact with. I whole heartily support his nomination.-- 02:41, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5) Got made to do thisi n the middle of drying hair but thoughts are the same as others!!

Nomination - Kamikaze839
Kamikaze839 has nominated himself for a position in the committee. Please place your vote below.
 * 1) He has been fairly active recently in the Grammar corner along with Xilinoc. He is a hard worker and easy to get along with.--
 * 2) Kami has really helped with the workload given to me by Godisme. *stares accusingly* Anyhow, I fully support his nomination.--Xilinoc (talk) 02:58, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) Why not :) -- 03:19, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4)  I got no complaints for Kami. He's a good editor and a good user to talk to.
 * 5)  I have not monitored Kami's progress, but a cursory inspection of his contributions shows that he has put a considerable amount of work into improving the grammar on the site. He's been doing so for the past couple of months, and it's apparent that he is familiar with our policies, so I see no reason to say no.  Mohrpheus   (Talk)  02:29, February 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * 6)  From Kuro (via Facebook due to a broken modem): "I support Kami. :P"--


 * 1) His activity in this capacity ha only been fairly recently I would like to see more for a while yet!!
 * 2) Abstain - I have to agree with Sunxia's statement of Kamikaze839's activity capacity being relatively recent. And like Morpheus, I have not monitored his progress but his contributions (as of Feb. 18 2013) look promising. Even so, I would like to see how the user may interact with others outside of the committee (as he has stated he is "familiar with the other members of the committee") and his edits that may not be directly related to "grammar corrections." ---<font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">Mr. N <font color="#3B9C9C" size="2px">(Discuss)   02:54, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Updating the Committe Procedures/Policies Page
I've been looking around the wiki and noticed this page Bleach Wiki: Committee Procedures. After glancing over it, I noticed that in the "removing a committee member" section it talks about removing captains and seated officers, which to my understanding is a system that the committee no longer goes by. I think it's time to update the page to match the current ways of doing things in the Committee. --Kamikaze839 (talk) 18:54, March 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * 1) Kami has a point. We no longer go by these terms, and the page should reflect this.--Xilinoc (talk) 18:58, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) Yeah it should reflect the newer system so maybe it needs new rules??

It doesn't need new rules or anything, its just out of date in that we don't have a taicho any longer. I'll simply update it to reflect this.--


 * Thank you --Kamikaze839 (talk) 19:49, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Removal of Glass Heart
Glass Heart has recently told me she won't be active on this wiki in the near future, thus why she removed her name from the projects she was on. In addition, as of late, her edits have not been for article improvement, only for voting, changing her JS, and her only edits to articles these days are adding

to them, which only improves the look of articles in Monobook, not in Oasis On top of this, though she comes into chat, she almost never talk with other members, and is almost always away. According to the Committee Member Removal section, "Non-performance/non-communication with the committee - this is different from being inactive. They might still be active in the wiki, but if they suddenly stopped talking to the committee and responding to messages or looking after projects to which they are assigned, then it's a problem". As such, she no longer meets the qualifications for being a committee member, and should thus be removed.--Xilinoc (talk) 03:02, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

I support this.--Xilinoc (talk) 03:02, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Without stating the obvious, she clearly doesn't want to give it her all for the site's best interest, so it is best if we cut ties.-- 03:06, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

I've noticed this trend as well, but if she did remove her name from the projects and informed someone that she would be inactive, then she doesn't have the time needed to work on them. This is probably for the best. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109 <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  03:13, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Well basically thats disappointing, but if that her decision.--

As Xil said, lately her edits are to customize for monobook, which really isn't helping. Also, she tends to call other committee members out for supposedly breaking policy, namely the chat policy, but other than that, she doesn't enforce the policy as much as other committee members and doesn't communicate.

If this is the case, then she has already more or less resigned. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  04:35, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Our Role here are Committee Members, not Chat Moderators, and I have not seen these duties been carried out not to mention I don't like it when people start arguments over nothing regarding tiny decisions, thus lack of being a team player, which has been the repeated case when we are trying to move on to more productive things!!

User has withdrawn from all projects (helping with projects being noted as a requirement for membership). Lately edits have not been geared towards article content. Users have in the past been removed (or voluntarily resigned) from the Committee due to not being able to make the necessary commitment. Disappointing obviously, but it's absolutely fine. 12:40, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

First of all, Xilinoc, I meant that I was probably going to be a little less active due to some personal stuff. That doesn't mean that I'm going to be inactive for long periods of time without doing much in any possible way for the wiki.

Secondly, my edits on the wiki have been productive; perhaps not in the sense that I'm fixing grammar or summarizing chapters, episodes, and fights, though it is still contributing and productive for the wiki. Yes, lately I've been more attentive towards the Clear templates, but it's still improving the wiki in a sense. Also, I have been actively participating in wiki discussions on the wiki (that does not include using the chat feature), particularly on article talk pages and on the forums. I do join chat for some discussions but I prefer not to handle wiki changes exclusively on chat; that's one reason why I don't chat as much as many other administrators or rollback users. Additionally, I rarely change my personal JS or CSS on this wiki. As a matter of fact, I've only done it three times, and just one today, with the other two being done several months prior.

Therefore, I have been active on this wiki. But if you guys think that I haven't done as much or anything at all compared to some of you, then fine. I'm just as semi-active, in terms of editing and communication, as some of the other Committee members. Though I'm the only one who sees that, huh?

Also, Lemurs, it's not that I don't want to give my time for the wiki a 120% or anything, it's just that I know I'm not as dedicated as a handful of you. Don't get that confused.

And Kami, as I already said, some of my edits are to improve article appearance in Monobook; as much as you probably don't want to admit it, that is helping, specifically for Monobook users. And I don't even recall myself actually calling committee members out for actually breaking policies. I do actually try to enforce the policies when I can, mainly with chat these days, whenever I can. Furthermore, like I also said, I do communicate with the users here; it's just that I don't like to use chat for almost every sort of discussion these days. So, no, you're quite wrong about most of what you said.


 * "I have been actively participating in wiki discussions on the wiki (that does not include using the chat feature), particularly on article talk pages and on the forums." - I checked over Glass's contributions and this is simply not true. Two edits to an article talk page since last August (one of which was just to add an unsigned template rather than discuss anything); one user talk page message since September (to wish someone a happy birthday); no edits to forums since December; and on project talk pages after a long gap since November there is one discussion on a change to a profile picture and voting on new additions to Committee. I cannot classify this in the same terms quoted above. 12:40, March 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, there is no real attempt to explain lack of editing or contributions, and removal of self from projects was just done and not explained!! If people are inactive due to things then explanations are given since communication is necessary!! We understand people have lives but this is clearly an ongoing issue of nothing really!! Our work here is for the readers, most will use the default skin, editing for Monobook is almost redundant and lacks current productivity!! Monobook is no longer the skin used by people who read, it is only usedb y people who remember it and are thus editors!! This site is produced for the readers and we need people dedicated to continuing its upkeep as it is!! We need to be moving forward, lurking and merely commenting on some stuff without any communication is not really how things should be done and this is close to 5 months ongoing!! And if its going to get less than what it has has been then that's even less productive!! 14:57, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Guess stuff like this and this aren't worth mentioning.

Also, I did explain that I was probably going to be a little more inactive for a bit. I've been busy with personal stuff; everyone is busy with personal stuff and sometimes they don't really want to elaborate on it. Though maybe I need to message everyone's talk page and inform them that I won't be doing this or that for some time and why in full detail just so everyone can see what I'm going through. And first of all, no, Monobook is not used exclusively by people who were here when it was still used; Oasis was my default skin as well but I still switched over. And as "commenting on some stuff", as you are looking at it, is still communication in a way. If I need to fix grammar or add images or w/e to be more productive in how Oasis users reflect upon it, then fine, so be it.

Removal of Godisme
Recently, Godisme has been performing far below the expectations for a committee member and a user on this site in general. All of these actions go against the best interests of the wiki, and it would be best for all of us if he were removed from the committee.--Xilinoc (talk) 00:43, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * He has not been active on the site for the better part of last month.
 * During an altercation over the removal of an image, he stated he would not allow us to use his bots, therefore refusing to cooperating with other committee members.
 * He has frequently and publicly harassed and demeaned SunXia, Lia Schiffer, EnemyPeacemaker, and various other users for various reasons.
 * On the Fairy Tail wiki, he publicly stated he has abandoned this wiki and its users, evidenced by his lack of activity, and has referred to the wiki as a "shithole".
 * He has used his bot to fluff his edit count and make it look like he is still active here.


 * 1) I really wanted things to turn out better, but clearly we are at an impasse, and at this point we are past the point of no return. Yes, Godisme was a big part and help to this site, but his inappropriate behavior has undermined all the good that he has done, and it would be best if we formally end our association with him and his participation on this site.-- 00:52, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) He was a good editor. Was. Currently, his edits and actions go against what the wiki is shifting towards. Also, he has made edits that blatantly go against what the other committee members stated without discussion, and when we try that, he berates us for it. He is a pretty big reason why people don't like this wiki, so people either don't edit in a helpful manner out of hatred, or rage-vandalize.
 * 3) I obviously support this.--Xilinoc (talk) 01:59, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) I really didn't want it to come to this, as God was definitely a valuable asset to this wiki. But his behavior as of late has been unacceptable, and we can't continue to let things stay this way. I'm going to have to support this motion as well. <font color="teal" size="2px">Arrancar109  <font color="teal" size="1px">(Talk)  02:55, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5) Frankly, I was very much hoping that this whole situation could be salvaged, but we are well past that now. It has become abundantly clear that things cannot go back to the way they were before; even if they had, we might have very well reached this point anyway. So perhaps it is for the best that they do not. With that in mind, I am in favor of this motion.  Mohrpheus   (Talk)  09:29, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * 6) He did a lot of good but the bad has been outweighing that for a while now and I concur that it is time to move on. User has neglected responsibilities of being a member of the Committee: no longer patrols for/reverts vandalism, does not help with projects (indeed grammar corner died under his care and was resurected thanks to Xilinoc), has exhibited rather poor behaviour towards several users. His conduct is generally undesirable in a member of the Committee and the level of work (despite a recent peak, some of which was clearly bot edits and followed by abandonment of the wiki) has generally been below desireable levels for some time. As said above we hoped not to have to do this but it is for the best now  11:07, April 3, 2013 (UTC)