Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner

The Translation Corner is a group of Bleach Wiki users who are tasked with translating the various names, abilities, techniques and etc. found in the Bleach Universe. Being that Bleach is a Japanese manga that use Japanese, Chinese, Indian, German, Spanish and English language in various instances and cases, the use of translators is a focal point to the continuation of accuracy on the wiki. All users should read our Translation Guidelines before you start translating.

Roles of the Translation Corner
The following are the duties of the corner:


 * 1. To assure the correctness of all translations that are presented on the site.


 * 2. To determine the outcome of Contentious Translations: If a translation is questioned at all, that should be brought up in this section. In this way a translator, committee member or admin can explain why the translation is used or conversation can take place for translations that are harder to classify.


 * 3. To determine the correct translation of Zanpakutō (names, release calls, etc.): This section is for requests for translation of zanpakuto and zanpakuto related translations.


 * 4. To determine the correct translation of Character and element (e.g. devices) names: This section is for requests for translation of characters/techniques/equipment and general key words.


 * 5. To determine the correct translation of General/Other translation issues (e.g. conjugation/miscellanea): This section is for requests about translations that don't fit any particular criteria such as conjugation or such things such as accents used in the names.

Associate Members

 * Adam Restling (Primary Japanese Translator)
 * MarqFJA (Secondary Japanese Translator)
 * Vraieesprit (Japanese to English Translation)
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References & Sources

 * Kanji-to-English:
 * Tangorin
 * Mahou Kanji Dictionary
 * Kanji Networks
 * OldNihongo.J-Talk.Com
 * Basic Japanese verbal data: The imperative inflection of Japanese verbs

Associate Box
Ok folks I have finally gotten around to makeing the Associate Box. You can put it on your user page using the command. Below is what the box looks like. Tinni  (Talk)  14:37, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Translation Guidelines

 * Anyone doing any form of translation. Looking up on Google Translate or similar translation tools, is not translating. You are not doing the site any favors by doing amateur translation. Please refrain from using such tools.


 * This is not a conversation page. It is a simple question and answer page for translation. All conversations should be held on a particular user talk page or the talk page of this page.


 * Users should simply place their request and wait for it to be answered. To keep it simple, if the user posting the request has no real understanding of translation, the point is not for you to learn how to translate here. Usage of the page should extend no more then to asking for a translation to be done. Please refrain from badgering the translators for understanding on why a translation is translated a certain way. If you knew anything about translation you wouldn't be asking someone else to do it, therefore it makes no sense to argue with them.


 * If you are not a member of the translation corner, please do not answer translation questions. Leave it to our translators so as to avoid confusion.


 * Admin have the final say on the translation being placed into a article.

Gochūtekkan
I wanted to ask about Gochūtekkan's translation. Even though it's technically accurate, the "kan" (貫) in the name is usually translated as "weight" these days, isn't it?

I'm asking because "kan" is an obsolete Japanese weight measurement, and "Five Weighted-Iron Pillars" sounds cool. --Reikson (talk) 07:18, January 11, 2014 (UTC)

The use of kan as a unit of currency is obsolete, but its obsolescence as a weight, even after its replacement (and even forbiddance!) post-adoption of the metric system, seems to vacillate--though yes, it seems it can just be used in an informal meaning "weight". The Kanji 貫 can also mean "pierce, shoot through" or "brace"; but given the actual use of Gochū Tekkan in the series, I suppose a better trans. would be "five-pillar[ed] iron weights". Adam Restling (talk) 19:23, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Zanpakutō (names, release calls, etc.)
Still need the kanji for this but these are the terms used in the most recent chapter 564.


 * Souou Zabimaru


 * Orochioū


 * Zaga Teppou

These are all the ones that need translations.--

I assume that I would be like that:
 * 双王・蛇狒丸, Sōō Zabimaru, Twin Kings of Snake Tail


 * 大蛇王, Orochiō, King of Serpents


 * 蛇牙・鉄砲, Jaga/Zaga Teppō, Snake Fang Gun/Iron Cannon

but still I'm confused with the "Zaga" part of Renji's new Bankai technique... so to confirm those we need raws :/ Mad6 (talk) 15:49, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

Za comes from Zabimaru, which is seen as "Serpent". As for ga we have the character 牙, which can be read as "kiba" - fang. That gives us Zaga Tepp&#333; - Serpent Fang Cannon. --Black Butler94 (talk) 18:05, January 15, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm here with the actual Kanji, now that the raw is out. Here's what I've gathered:


 * Sōō Zabimaru: 双王蛇尾丸
 * Hihiō: 狒々王
 * Orochiō: オロチ王 (I'm not kidding, the raws have Katakana for this one....)
 * Zaga Teppō: 蛇牙鉄炮
 * From what the raws seem to claim, "Hihiō" is actually 狒々王 instead of 狒狒王, but Jisho's just telling me that the 々 means a repeated Kanji. Anyway, here's what I've got. I leave this to the actual members of the Translation Corner to finish.

Oh thanks for confirmation, I see there was a little difference between my speculations and official You gave here. And with 狒狒王 or 狒々王 is as You say, there is no difference, because 々 repeats kanji before it. But I'm surprised that Kubo gave kata for Orochi instead of Kanji O.o. Thanks for confirmation Mad6 (talk) 11:48, January 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Heh, even better, older raws use 狒狒王, while 564 uses 狒々王, but since there's technically no difference, whatever. I just updated the page to have the most recently used Kanji.

Schiffy has it right: Sōō Zabimaru (双王蛇尾丸 "twin king Zabimaru ('snake tail')"); Hihiō (狒々王 "baboon king")--indeed with the Kanji doubler 々 instead of just "classic" 狒 again for some reason; Orochiō (オロチ王 "great snake king")--indeed with only katakana for some reason, but doubtless a reference to Yamata no Orochi; and Zaga Teppō (蛇牙鉄炮 "snake fang iron gun")--with, as cited above, the unusual (< ? archaic) reading za for ja "snake" also found in Zabimaru itself. Note that the element 炮 itself means "cannon" or "gun"; teppō (lit. "iron gun/cannon") is apparently specifically "gun", I guess as a haphazard distinction from other/previous types of "cannons" which might've been more like a cruder howitzer or catapult. Adam Restling (talk) 19:44, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, guys - time to test Rukia's Bankai name. It's Hakka no Togame, and I assume it's written 白化の咎め, meaning White Guilt.

I think also it would be like that but 白化 (Hakka) actually translates to a bleaching, whitening or even chlorosis. The second part - 咎め (Togame) it can mean guilt as You said, but it can also translate as rebuke, so wait till Adam will got the raw's and confirm a valid version Mad6 (talk) 15:38, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Hollow Bait
So, the existing translation for chapter 36 lists the eponymous item as Hollow Bait in the speech bubble that it's mentioned in. However, I looked at the raw and found that the speech bubble in question has quite a few more kana/kanji than I would expect for two words. Adam, if you could take a look at the raw in question and determine what it should really be rendered as, that'd be great.--Xilinoc (talk) 04:44, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to everyone for my long absences (which will hopefully now be less long): a combo of holidayngover, shifting schedules at work, weather trouble, and my computer trying to fail ( >:( :( : have been bombarding me.

The term Ishida uses--apparently more a description than a technique name--is 対虚（ホロウ)用の撒き餌 tai-Horōyou no makie "scatter-bait for use against Hollows"--that is, a kind of bait one scatters around to lure them, not unlike "ground bait" or feed scattered for chickens at farms.

I think he goes on to say something like "If I break [its container] and scatter it, Hollows will come gather in this town". Adam Restling (talk) 11:09, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

Omeada Clan Names
I've got a draft page done up for the Omeada clan's various members, but I wanted confirmation on the spellings of their names (brown boxes in the pic to the right). Their names are listed as Mareka (mother), Marejirōsanrō (brother), Maremi (sister), but I've no idea who the scan group was so I wanted to double check that. Also, if anyone could post the kanji for them and Mareyo that would be great, as while I know what they are, I cannot type it out. 22:41, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

As you can see, all of their names begin with 希 mare "rare, unusual, exceptional". Mother Mareka is 希華 "rare flowering/lustre"; older sister Maremi is 希美 "rare beauty"; his younger brother's name is actually Marejirō sabu rō, 希次郎三郎 "rare follower, a son, the third, a son", apparently, using the special reading -sabu/-zabu of the character for "three" (三)--usu., as here, referring to order of children (-saburō "the third, a son")--intentionally ridiculous and redundant; and Mareyo is 希代 "rare age/era/world". Adam Restling (talk) 11:32, February 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks as always Adam. 15:35, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

Grillar Grillo
Call me a fool of a Took, but I only accidentally stumbled upon this interesting bit of data recently: according to my Spanish dictionaries, grillo, "cricket", can also (though apparently only [?] in the plural, grillos) mean "fetters, shackles". Or, rather, these seem to be homophones, the insect name coming from Latin gryllus, while the other word, from French grille "grate, grid", seemingly has its ultimate source in Latin crāticula, "grill, grating, gridiron". Since the underlying Kanji of Grillar Grillo include one meaning "shackle(s), fetter(s)", I thought I'd bring this discovery up, though I'm unsure as-of-yet how to articulate/frame its possible inclusion on the page proper. Adam Restling (talk) 18:35, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter 374
While looking through Cnet's old translations, I found something that (surprise surprise!) contradicts something on the site. Currently, we've got the translation of Chapter 374's all-kanji title listed as "Gray Wolves, Red Blood, Black Clothes, White Bones", but Cnet's got it as "Grey Wolves,  Crimson  Blood, Black  Garments , White Bones". I realize it's not the most important of issues, but does it come down to a matter of rendering preference, or something else? Here's the kanji for reference:

灰狼・赤血・黒衣・白骨

Thanks in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 02:43, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

I suppose that, ultimately, it's a little bit in the [mind's] eye of the beholder: there's always been a laxness to what color, "exactly", a color's name refers to, especially once you start getting into specific tint. Is azure dark blue (like I think its namesake, lapis lazuli, is), or is it the light blue of the sky? Is chocolate the dark brown one might usu. associate with its namesake, or that brown enriched with a kind of velvet red, as other kinds of chocolate are?

It's tough. And other issues maybe worth noting are that 灰 is lit. "ash(es)", although it's the basis of names for "grey", like haiiro ("ash-hue(d)"); and how 白 "white" is also sometimes rendered "blank" or "clear"--but white is not the same as the translucent or utter lack of color we think of as "clear". Plus 衣 is just a general word for "clothing, (outer) garment", so the choice of clothes, garment(s), garb or etc is more of an aesthetic one, as all are correct.

In summation, I think sticking with the simpler term--but also acknowledging the context that it refers to Starrk in playing Irooni--can be our guide. Thus: "Grey Wolf ・ Red Blood ・ Black Clothes ・ White Bone", as I said, assuming (since Irooni) that "ash" is an archaized, informal use for "grey", and using "clothes" just because I like its cadence versus disyllabic garment(s) (garb would also be okay). I also use singular bone because it could also be, informally, a collective plural (e.g. as in a phrase nothing but bone). Adam Restling (talk) 20:05, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Episode 256
There's something that's been bugging me about this episode's translated title: the content of the episode itself doesn't reflect it AT ALL. Now, I know Pierrot is prone to dramatization in their episode titles, but I think something's off with the rendering of this one. Adam, if you could take a crack at rendering the kanji 怒りの白哉！朽木家崩壊 (with romanji of "Ikari no Byakuya! Kuchiki-ka hōkai"), that'd be great.--Xilinoc (talk) 02:03, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

The anime seems fond of using interesting combinations of verbs or deverbative forms, often nominalized or "adjectivized" with the genitive particle no (as here), so we get things like "Sakubō no Urukiora" (more lit. "Ulquiorra of Strategy") "The Strategic Ulquiorra", so it's not always clear what the best-sounding interpretation should be.

Here, I suppose 怒りの白哉！朽木家崩壊 should be trans. as "The Enraged Byakuya! Collapse of the House of Kuchiki". Adam Restling (talk) 20:16, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Grand Fisher's Lure
I noticed that there's no kanji or kana for Grand Fisher's Lure. Checked the chapter where Rukia talks about it, she does so in those middle panels. Can someone please check them?Kyoraku08 (talk) 17:37, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

In panel 4 (3rd down, right--going in proper order from right to left), word balloon 2, Rukia says something along the lines of:

"While hiding his own form, he causes the lure growing from his head to take a human shape."

The word used is 擬似餌 gijie, which combines "mimic, imitate" + "become, resemble, imitate" + "bait, prey". Giji (擬似) itself is generally used as a noun or prefix "sham, mockery, suspicious (thing)"; and another form read giji, but written with 擬餌 (that is, like the first above, but omitting central 似), is also found in the word 擬餌鉤 gijibari "artificial fly (for fishing), lure" (< "prey-mimicking hook").

Basically, the emphasis is on a deceptive mimicry of a "bait" or "lure" for his "angling" of victims. Adam Restling (talk) 20:46, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Mask's New New Techniques
Since the 563 raw is FINALLY out now, I thought it'd be good to have you guys confirm the technique names and/or simply provide the kana/kanji and whatnot.


 * First up is Star Dropkick, the kana of which can be found on the rightmost speech bubble of the second panel here without the space htt p://mangahead.com/index.php/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-563-Raw-Scan/06.jpg?action=big&size=original


 * Next up is Star Lariat, the kana of which can be found here on the bottom-most speech bubble following the above process because Mangahead is run by meanies htt p://mangahead.com/index.php/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-563-Raw-Scan/07.jpg?action=big&size=original


 * After that is One Mile Arts, the kana of which can be found here in the upper left-hand speech bubble following the usual process htt p://mangahead.com/index.php/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-563-Raw-Scan/09.jpg?action=big&size=original


 * Finally, we have Star Flash Super Nova, the kana of which is spread across htt p://mangahead.com/index.php/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-563-Raw-Scan/13.jpg?action=big&size=original and htt p://mangahead.com/index.php/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bleach/Bleach-563-Raw-Scan/14.jpg?action=big&size=original as a double page.

Thanks in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 03:16, January 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Star Dropkick, スター・ドロップキック, Sutā Doroppu Kikku/Doroppukikku


 * Star Lariat, スター・ラリアット, Sutā Rariatto


 * One Mile Arts, ワン・マイル・アーツ, Wan Mairu Ātsu


 * Star Flash: Supernova, スター・フラッシュ: スーパー・ノヴァ, Sutā Furasshu: Sūpānova/Sūpā Nova

Mad6 (talk) 15:58, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

Mayuri's Inventions
After looking through Mayuri's inventions section, I've realized two of them don't have kanji or romanji listed for reference's sake, so I've gone and found raws of the pages they were mentioned on.


 * Data-gathering Bacteria: raw, with term on lower left-most speech bubble.


 * Anti-Arrancar Mine: raw, with term on lower left-most speech bubble.

If someone could provide the kanji and/or an "official" translation, that'd be great.--Xilinoc (talk) 01:15, January 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Data-gathering Bacteria, 監視用の菌, Kanshiyō no Kin, it literally translates as Observation/Surveillance Employed Bacteria.

Mad6 (talk) 16:13, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Anti-Arrancar Mine, 破面専用の地雷, Arankaru Senyō no Jirai, it literally translates as Arrancar Dedicated Mine.

Thanks to Xil for the direct raw links, and to Mad for doing all the work while I was totally useless XD.

But it looks like Mad got it: 監視用の菌 kanshiyō no kin "monitoring/surveillance-use bacteria" and 破面（アランカル）専用の地雷 Arankaru senyō no jirai "Arrancar-exclusive-use (land) mines"; senyō itself is composed of sen "solely, exclusively" + yō "use", meaning the mines are especially and specifically for use with Arrancar. It's fun that the Japanese here for "(land) mine" is lit. "earth-thunder". Adam Restling (talk) 10:26, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Remaining SR (or rather Soul Ignition) Techniques
So, after much looking around these vast and untamed internets, I've finally gotten screenshots of the kanji for the techniques that were either 1. Spanish in the English release, or 2. did not have kanji screenshots prior and were thus guessed at. Regarding the latter, you actually got a few of them right, Adam, but some your guess were *horrified gasp* wrong.

OH THE HUMANITY

Anyhow, kanji screenshots down below along with the technique name, translations would be much appreciated.

Starrk:

Camarada

Baraggan:

Fuego

Harribel:

Cortando



Requiem

Ulquiorra:

Tromba



Vuello Oscuras

Ichigo (Skull-Clad):

Onryuuha



Meisen Hōgeki

Yoruichi:

Musō Renbu

Shunsui:

Kagehōshi

Kokutō:

Enra Gōmetsu



Rengoku Renge



Banyuu Gōka

Gin:

Shunsōgeki

Thanks in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 03:21, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

I've made Barragan's for now, I'll come up with the rest when I'll have more time:

--Black Butler94 (talk) 18:34, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

I couldn't find some of them but there is I think more than I would expect Me to translate. If anyone knows missing kanji just post a full translated version. Mad6 (talk) 19:57, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Camarada - 魂の同胞 (カマラダ) - Tamashī no Dōhō (Kamarada), Spirit Brethren/Companion. Spanish for Comrade.
 * Cortando - 斬裂 (コルタンド) - Zanretsu (Korutando), Tearing Beheading. Spanish for Cutting.
 * Requiem - 鎮魂歌 (レクイエム) - Chinkonka (Rekuiemu), literally Requiem.
 * Tromba - 魔旋撃 (ツロンバ) - Masengeki (Turonba), Demon Spiraliing Attack. Spanish for Whirlwind.
 * Vuello Oscuras - 黒翔撃 (ヴエッロ・オスキュラス) - Kokushōgeki (Vuerro Osukyurasu), Black Soaring Attack. Spanish for Dark Flight.
 * Onryūha - 怨流波 - Onryūha, Grudge/Resentment-Style Wave.
 * Meisen Hōgeki - 冥旋崩撃 - Meisen Hōgeki, Dark Rotation Crumbling Attack.
 * Musō Renbu- 無双連舞 - Musō Renbu/Tsuremai, Matchless Serial Dance/Dance done by Two People.
 * Kagehōshi - 影法師 - Kagebōshi, Shadow Figure/Silhouette.
 * Enra Gōmetsu - 閻羅拷滅 - Enra Gōmetsu, Torturing Annihilation of Yama/Yanluo.
 * Rengoku Renge - ?獄蓮華 - Rengoku Renge, ? Jail/Prison Lotus.
 * Banyū Goka - 蛮幽業禍 - Banyū Goka, Barbarian Calamity of Dark Karma.
 * Shunsōgeki - 瞬鎗撃 - Shunsōgeki, Instantenous Spear Attack.

Thanks a great deal for the translations, but I think I'll wait for confirmation on them from Adam; not to discredit your translating skills, but he usually provides a definitive rendering and explanation, and, well, yeah. However, I do appreciate your help nonetheless.--Xilinoc (talk) 22:08, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for everyone's thorough work with all the oodles of info and Kanji they did.

... You actually got a few of them right, Adam, but some your guess were *horrified gasp* wrong.

Yep, wild guesses will do that, as I already warned XD. These are tricky, even with the pictures of the attack names furnished and all you guys' hard work, though, because the furigana for their proper katakana spellings still seems to be missing, so all you can do is try to Google and hope that, if they come up at all, these obscure Sino-Japanese fan-sites have it right. Some of my previous (if sometimes erroneous) data for this can be found under the similar topic in archive 12, I think.

Tentatively, though, here's my evaluation (I'll try to note uncertainties where they still *seem* to persist, like w/<*>s before things; & not repeat stuff if it seems right above):
 * Camarada (魂の同胞 (*カマラダ) *Kamarada) looks good, Japanese for "soul brethren/compatriots (interestingly, Greek uses similar terms for "brother" to Japanese 同胞, more lit. "same womb/sheath", like kasignetos "born together", adelphos "co-wombed")
 * Fuego (死の炎閃 (*フエゴ) *Fuego), Japanese for "death flame flash"
 * Cortando (斬裂 (コルタンド) *Korutando), Japanese for "slaying slash",  (I translate zan as "slay(ing)" because it seems to mean "cut, kill (esp. w/a sword)" less oft than "beheading", and I thought slay covers that nicely, since it also begins with sl-; it also appears in  Zan pakutō,  Zan getsu, etc.)
 * Réquiem (鎮魂歌 (*レクイェム) *Rekuyemu), Japanese and Spanish for "requiem" (鎮魂歌 is more lit. "soul-soothing/quieting song"; the Spanish form réquiem with acute é is correct, but I'm not sure if it's the one Kubo used; also, the form in the katakana is supposedly イェ which, because of little ェ, would = ye)
 * Tromba is, apparently, actually 魔旋襲 (*トロンバ) *Toronba, Japanese for "devil whirling strike"; Spanish looks good
 * Vuelo Oscuras is 黒翔撃 （*ヴェロ・オスキュラス） *Vuero Osukyurasu, Japanese & Spanish trans. look good
 * Onryūha is actually 怨流破, "grudging coursing rend"
 * Meisen Hōgeki (冥旋崩撃), "dark whirling felling strike (冥 mei is used esp. of the underworld, e.g. Meiousei "(the planet) Pluto", more lit. "dark king star"--apparently citing the connection to Hades/Pluto)
 * Musō *Renbu looks good
 * Kagehōshi (影法師) looks good--although it's interesting: I wonder if its apparent reading with -h- instead of -b- means it's to be taken more lit., not as "(cast) shadow/silhouette", but as "shadow fashi"? Who the hell knows XD?
 * Enra Gōmetsu looks good, "torturous ruin of Yama"
 * It looks like it's actually  En goku Renge (焔獄蓮華), with 焔 being a rarer version of a word for "flame, blaze", sic. "blazing prison lotus flower" (goku "prison" is apparently meant to reference Hell, the Jigoku or "prison of earth")
 * Banyū Gōka (蛮幽業禍) is something like "karmic ill of savage ghosts"; though 業 can lit. mean "skill, art, calling", it is, as you wisely found, used in words denoting karma (which itself comes from Sanskrit for "deed, creation"--fate is what you make it); I use "ill" as in evil; and 幽, though more lit. "dark, secluded", is often used of ghosts by association with its compound yūrei ("dark/nether soul")
 * Shunsōgeki looks good, "flash spear strike--that is, not flash as in light, but as in quickness, like with '' Shun pō)

Sorry for taking up so much space again :(I just wanted to be thorough. And, like I said, there's still some uncertainties. But it looks like we've got a lot. Adam Restling (talk) 12:25, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Episode 230-265 sans 256
Having seen the considerable difference between the current title of Episode 256 ("Byakuya's anger, collapse of the Kuchiki family") and Adam's rendering of its kanji/kana ("The Enraged Byakuya! Collapse of the House of Kuchiki"), I've decided to do the same to the other episodes of the Zanpakutō and Tōjū arcs, so Adam, if you could take a crack at each of the following, I'd appreciate it very much.


 * Episode 230:


 * Episode 231:


 * Episode 232:


 * Episode 233:


 * Episode 234:


 * Episode 235:


 * Episode 236:


 * Episode 237:


 * Episode 238:


 * Episode 239:


 * Episode 240:


 * Episode 241:


 * Episode 242:


 * Episode 243:


 * Episode 244:


 * Episode 245:


 * Episode 246:


 * Episode 247:


 * Episode 248:


 * Episode 249:


 * Episode 250:


 * Episode 251:


 * Episode 252:


 * Episode 253:


 * Episode 254:


 * Episode 255:


 * Episode 257: (note: I have a feeling the rōmanji here is off as well)


 * Episode 258:


 * Episode 259:


 * Episode 260:


 * Episode 261:


 * Episode 262:


 * Episode 263:


 * Episode 264:


 * Episode 265: (note: the kanji on this episode's page is actually from the previous episode, so if you could add what the kanji should actually be to your response, Adam, I'd greatly appreciate it)

Thanks a great deal in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 19:12, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Guncho Tsurara
I decided to look up the kanji for Guncho Tsurara on Tangorin, and I was confused by what I found. While 群鳥氷 effecitvely means "icicle flock" (combining "flock" + "bird" + "icicle"), the 柱 on the end appears to mean "pillar, post, cylinder, support" and for the life of me, I can't figure out how that would meld with any of the other kanji to create either "icicle" or "flock". Adam, could you take a look at this and perhaps explain it? Here's the kanji all together:

群鳥氷柱

--Xilinoc (talk) 06:43, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up & the Kanji so I don't have to hunt for them. If they're correct, then Gunchō Tsurara is, indeed, "flocking icicles" or "icicle flock", as you said. 氷 by itself is "ice", though it can be used (apparently somewhat informally) to refer to various associated phenomena, such as icicles, hail, the quality of coldness, etc. However, to be actually more specific about which of these is intended as the meaning, a compound or specialized word/Kanji is better, as here: sic, "ice" + "pillar, post" > "icicle", seemingly imagined as a spike or "pillar" of ice.

That's also why, say. "hail", specifically, is often written with the specialized (and so distinct from just "ice") Kanji 雹 or 霰 "hail(stones)/(ice) cubes". Adam Restling (talk) 12:44, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Senzaikyū
Like the above section, I looked up the kanji for the Senzaikyū on Tangorin, and I'm confused by what I find. The current rendering is "Palace of Remorseful Sin", but the kanji go in the order of "regret, repent" + "guilt, sin, blame" + "palace", which, at least to me, seems like it would be more properly rendered as "Repenting Palace" or something to that effect. If you could take a look and determine the rendering, Adam, that'd be great.

Yeah, the order of sememes in the English translation compared to that in the original Japanese is sometimes tricky: you should try going in the same order first, if possible; but, if it seems safe and better to shuffle the order (since it doesn't seem to destroy the meaning), I think it's okay. For example, with Zanpakutō, which in direct order is more lit. "slay-po sword", I think it's okay to shuffle it a bit and translate as "po/soul-slaying sword".

With Senzaikyū, which consists of 懺 "regret; repent; confess sins" + 罪 "crime, sin" + 宮 "palace, shrine", I could go with another slight shuffle & trans. it "sin-repenting palace", esp. since senzai didn't seem to come up as a common word, I like being more lit. if I can, etc; but, then again, a less lit. form like "palace of penitence" could work, too, since the dictionary defines penitence as "expressing remorse for one's misdeeds or sins"--nicely encapsulating both the first two Kanji. Yeah, I think I could go for that second one. At any rate, most of them are fairly correct; it largely, then, comes down to aesthetic. Adam Restling (talk) 13:00, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

The Fear
Okay, so the raws for 566 and 567 are out now, and I've noticed something odd. As Nodt's epithet does certainly seem to be "The Fear", but unlike every Sternritter epithet before it, there seems to be a distinct lack of Katakana. As seen here in 566 and here in 567, the Kanji being used seems to be "恐怖", but on the side, instead of the expected Katakana reading something along the lines of "ザ・フィア", there is only Hiragana reading "きょうふ"/Kyōfu. I've flipped through the raw of both chapters, but I'm not seeing anything resembling a Katakana equivalent. It seems odd to me that Kubo would "forget" something like that for two chapters in a row. But anyway, would it even make sense to jump the gun like was already done here and add the Katakana, or should I go ahead and remove that?

Äs Nödt's Vollständig Name
I've seen a number of different rendering across the various translators, but we don't have anything concrete. (Many of them render it as two words, when it should be one?) Also, do the underlying kanji match what we have for the other Vollständig? Mohrpheus  (Talk)  18:38, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

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神の怯え (Kami no Obie), タタルフォラス (Tataru Forasu). The first part - 怯え (Obie) translates as "for being startled, surprised or afraid;  panic;  trepidation". I dunno what references Kubo made, but for me it would be a reference to a Tartar in Greek Mythology, which is a underworld and some sort of their 'hell'. Foras word comes from Ars Goetia known as Lemegeton or Lesser Key of Salomon and is name of President Foras which rules over twenty-nine legions of demons. Mad6 (talk) 22:48, February 17, 2014 (UTC)