Forum:Espada Power Levels

How is 0 a level of power when 0 equals to nothing? I dont get it, something along with the past of what we know just doesn't add up. We are just gonna have to wait and see. Halibel101 12:16, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey i want to point out that espada 0-9 Is actually right. Because if u look at Aaroniero, he is incredibly weak. it not hard to see yammy (pre-release) beating his ass. i think he faked because he helped the espada and his insanity made him think he was a strong espada,plus he is a GILLIAN-CLASS HOLLOW. the weakest class ever.

Ithink this is the espada line:

1=Yammy 2=stark 3=barragan 4=halibel 5=ulquiorra 6=nnoitra 7=grimmjow 8=Zommari 9=Szayel

Neji sharigan 21:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I would like to point something out as well. Yammy is not number 1, Stark is. Yammy is 0. This was confirmed in the manga. So, the only way this could be untrue is if the 0 situation wasa type of scare tactic that comes with Yammy's Resurreccion to confuse his opponents as he attacked, or a type of power-up while he is in his release, which will slowly deteriorate until he reverts back to this original 10th status. I personally am not convinced that Yammy is strongest because of this fact. Who knows? But, if the 0 is his correct number, Yammy would be the only one making the number change (10 to 0). Also, Aaroniero is weaker then the Espada that rank higher yes, but he can't be weak, or he wouldn't be an Espada in the first place. We must wait until later chapters to know the truth for sure. - HuecoMuffin 19:00, 25 April 2009

Yammy is not 1 though, In fact thats right 0 equals to nothing and we know that Yammy is not particularly smart as he is all brawn. His past leaves the the speculation of power because of the 0 rank in question. He got his arm cut off by ichigo, he got totally beaten by Urahara twice as well as Yoruichi, and Ulquiorra man handles him of more then one occasion as well as other arrancar give him no respect. It just doesnt make any sense that the most powerful espada is treated like that or allows himself to be beaten. Its more likely he is the espada who is physically the strongest but most powerful is unlikely. It can be possible that Yammy is the first test of shinigamification that Aizen carried out giving him the classification outta that but not necessarily the most powerful espada. As far as Aaroniero, he was the most versatile, if he was so weak he wouldnt have been allowed to be Espada, because he can still absorb hollows and gain more power. He is an arrancar who comes from Gillian-class and is a Espada because Aizen sees that potential, he is not crazy, im not sure were that idea came from. Salubri 21:55, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

0 does not equal 'nothing,' because the number represents the order of the Espada from strongest to weakest. Seeing as 0 preceeds every positive number, that would indeed make Yammy the strongest Espada when Ira is released. I'm not so keen on the theory of his rank change being a scare tactic. He specifically stated that he is only Espada Cero when Ira is released, so his previous displays of incompetence and weakness were all authentic. From the looks of it, Gonzui and his apparent "eating and sleeping" contribute to his maximum power. It also explains why he is treated in such a manner - until he releases, he's the weakest, a fact he has acknowledged and accepted. Mohrpheus 21:02, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

More or less thats just speculative to assume he can be authentically incompetent and weak and still the most powerful one. It seems unlikely in any case 0 does equal to nothing in general and even in rank 0 is never used as a rank 1 is where it starts so the idea behind yammy being powerful is highly suspect more then likely a ruse. Regardless of release You dont go from being weak to the most powerful. I will contend he is probably the strongest, using the souls he absorbed and his death aspect (wrath) to empower his strength. Even still Arrancar including the Espada dont take weakness as a form of acceptance as has been shown even unreleased he would expect to be treated as the top espada if that was the case, more then likely he is making a gross exaggeration on his part if anything, who would refute it at this point. Salubri 21:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

What I mean is that the actual value of the number representing the Espada is meaningless. With that logic, Ulquiorra would be stronger than Stark because his rank is a number of greater value. Meaning, Yammy's rank of '0' wouldn't be considered nothing, because its value isn't what matters. What matters is the numerical order, and certainly 0 isn't used very often in ranking systems, but in this case, it is just symbolic of Yammy being the strongest. There's no confirmation about whether or not it is a bluff, but I doubt it simply because of the steps Yammy has taken to increase his power. The reason he doesn't act or is treated like the strongest is because he's usually always unreleased, making him the Decima Espada in that case. Mohrpheus 14:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

But you just totally ignored what i said to prove your point. In a ranking system which is what the Espada have the rank does matter as is portrayed countless times. Also in any ranking system it starts from 1. In any sports event or what have you as well. What your talking about isn't a ranking system its a value system which in the way that you explain makes sense but has nothing to do with a ranking system. You mixed a value system with a ranking system to prove your point but thats not what is happening. There is no question they are ranked by their power thats provided for countless times. Also from what we know of arrancar and espada the way your portrayed is a big deal. If Yammy is 0 then he is should be respected as such (assuming its a valid ranking above 1 which it is commonly not) on the account that his release would spell doom for whoever showed disrespect. The same reason why Ulquiorra wouldnt be stupid enough to start a conflict with Halibel and Stark. It doesn't make sense to assume that a simple thing as being unreleased would allow him to be treated with disrespect when all he would have to do is release. It just doesnt make sense from what has been seen. If anything he is probably the strongest but i doubt he is the most powerful at all and that would account for his treatment. He is 10 unreleased and a big 0 released, which attributes to nothing because either way in a ranking system he would be on the bottom or not even involved in the ranked system. It would make sense if he is treated the same in either case as strength alone does not win a battle, the scenario is more likely. Salubri 17:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Lol, it would seem that you and I cannot agree on anything. Alright then, I'll concede my argument, seeing as I could do nothing more than repeat myself. Unfortunately, it would seem that the Yammy fight is being postponed until after Barragan and Halibel are dead. The likelihood of the strongest Espada being killed last is high, so it all depends. Then we'll see who's right xD Mohrpheus 19:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I was doing a bit of reading on Yammy's page, and noticed that he said, "I'm the only espada to reach full power when I release my zanpakuto!" or something very similar to that. I think this could be open for interpretation; does it mean he's the strongest espada, or does it mean he can only reach a power comparable to Stark and Barragan unreleased when he uses ressurecion? Also, I'm still pretty sure that the fact he keeps a number at all where Halibel and stage two Ulquiorra have their own disappear will be relevant in the future. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. UnspeakableVillain 21:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

If UnspeakableVillain's quote from Yammy is correct(or close enough), then could it mean that Yammy is the Espada to come closest to returning to his original Hollow form? Resurreccion is an Arrancar's way of releasing their sealed power and returning to their original Hollow form, yet even when they do release they still maintain aspects of their sealed Arrancar, humanoid form. We have seen varying degrees where some Arrancar when released look more like Hollows than others (i.e, Fornicaras Szayel still looks more like sealed Szayel than Glotoniera Aaroniero does sealed Aaroniero. though if you want to argue that this is because Aaroniero was the lowest class of Menos before he became an Espada, then Tiburon Halibel looks more like sealed Halibel than Brujeria Zommari does sealed Zommari). Yammy's release takes the Espada Resurreccion to a whole new level of Hollow-ness, (save Aaroniero (but remember, Aaroniero was originally a Gillian)) in size, appearance and, apparently, in power. Could it be that Yammy is simply in a league of his own now, thus earning him the title of Cero? Emmi11 21:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't doubt what Yammy said at all. I believe until the manga ACTUALLY shows him fighting three opponents, we won't see his power as the Cero Espada. It makes sense to me. 0 suppose to equal nothing at all. 1+0=1. We ALL have to wait and see. Dekoshu talk contrib 22:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)