Talk:Liltotto Lamperd

Great Spiritual Power
According to Liltotto, she and Meninas are stronger than Candice, NaNaNa and Robert Accutrone, the last of which has "Great Spiritual Power" among his abilities. Shouldn't we mention it in Liltotto's page, too? --Martialmaniac (talk) 13:33, September 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * That's a tricky one. You see, Liltotto wasn't among the Sternritter during the first invasion, and she hasn't achieved any significant feats (apart from defeating some unseated Shinigami) that would warrant putting "Great Spiritual Pressure" on her page, so I would say no. Having a unique power doesn't automatically equate with having "Great Spiritual Pressure". You have to understand, Quincy rely on Reishi in the atmosphere as the source of their power—not so much Reiatsu. 14:09, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

That much I know, that is why I am only mentioning her and Meninas. What she said was that she was stronger than the ones who were defeated, not that he could still stand and fight because her ability was better. Furthermore isn't durability influenced by one's Reiatsu? She withstood blows both from Ichigo and Meninas, she has a human body, and there was no indication she was using Blut Vene at the time. --Martialmaniac (talk) 21:29, September 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, as I said before, Quincy rely on Reishi in the atmosphere. Their only real defense against beings with great spiritual power is Blut Vene. Therefore, when they're not using Blut Arterie, it would stand to reason that they're actively using Blut Vene to varying degrees all the time; although it doesn't always show the vein pattern on their body to signify it's being used. Askin was able to survive a slash to the throat—by Nimaiya—yet we don't say he has "Immense Spiritual Power" based on that. So, being able to withstand punches from Ichigo or whoever has little bearing on spiritual power. 00:59, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not talking about endurance, but durability, so Askin's case is not really relevant. Moreover, basing on what you said, if you refuse to consider Reiatsu as the source of her durability, it should be mentioned that she can use Blut Vene, as it is the only factor other than Reiatsu that can explain her durability. The fact that Quincy absorb Reishi from the atmosphere does not mean they have all the same amount of spiritual power. [I'm sorry I'm always starting a new paragraph, I'm not sure how to increase the indent.] --Martialmaniac (talk) 11:39, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

Vollstandig
I think the Vollstandigs shown for the Bambies in the recent episode (The Headless Star) isn't their real Vollstandig, but a Sklavrei enhancement, since we already know what Liltotto's Vollstandig looks like, as well as Giselle's and Candice's, and it only really changes after they use Sklavrei (in Candice's case especially since we have a before and after). It probably shouldn't be treated as their main form since we know what their actual forms look like. Bob1200 (talk) 22:47, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This anime is meant to be a correction/fuller showing of several powers and abilities shown in TYBW - the expanded forms, names, and new techniques seem to have been under Kubo's supervision, so there's no reason to not consider those the true forms of each Bambie's Vollstandig.--Xilinoc (talk) 22:50, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * But they aren't, we've seen both of Candice's Vollstandig's, and even saw Giselle's earlier on in the part in Heart Of Wolf, they're obviously additions from Sklavrei Bob1200 (talk) 23:26, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, since they only name the Vollstandigs (in the same scheme as those of the other Sternritter) once they power up with Sklaverei, the implication is that these are the true forms of their Vollstandigs - and, hence, they're being described as such. Don't really see the harm in doing so.--Xilinoc (talk) 23:54, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Tbf most of them were unnamed, except for Candice's, I think it would be better to make them separate like how Candice's page has it until we know for sure, it wouldn't do much harm right? If its wrong you basically just delete some stuff, if not then keep it as is, lol. Bob1200 (talk) 00:08, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Uh...all four of the girls' Vollstandigs were unnamed in the manga and only now named in the anime? Not sure what you're talking about there.--Xilinoc (talk) 01:27, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Well either way, it wouldn't hurt to separate them in case their normal Vollstandigs have the manga designs right? Same as Candice's page? Bob1200 (talk) 04:37, 27 August 2023 (UTC)