Bleach Wiki:Translation Corner

The Translation Corner is a group of Bleach Wiki users who are tasked with translating the various names, abilities, techniques and etc. found in the Bleach Universe. Being that Bleach is a Japanese manga that use Japanese, Chinese, Indian, German, Spanish and English language in various instances and cases, the use of translators is a focal point to the continuation of accuracy on the wiki. All users should read our Translation Guidelines before you start translating.

Roles of the Translation Corner
The following are the duties of the corner:


 * 1. To assure the correctness of all translations that are presented on the site.


 * 2. To determine the outcome of Contentious Translations: If a translation is questioned at all, that should be brought up in this section. In this way a translator, committee member or admin can explain why the translation is used or conversation can take place for translations that are harder to classify.


 * 3. To determine the correct translation of Zanpakutō (names, release calls, etc.): This section is for requests for translation of zanpakuto and zanpakuto related translations.


 * 4. To determine the correct translation of Character and element (e.g. devices) names: This section is for requests for translation of characters/techniques/equipment and general key words.


 * 5. To determine the correct translation of General/Other translation issues (e.g. conjugation/miscellanea): This section is for requests about translations that don't fit any particular criteria such as conjugation or such things such as accents used in the names.

Associate Members

 * Adam Restling (Primary Japanese Translator)
 * MarqFJA (Secondary Japanese Translator)
 * Vraieesprit (Japanese to English Translation)
 * ЖенёqSig.png

References & Sources

 * Kanji-to-English:
 * Tangorin
 * Mahou Kanji Dictionary
 * Kanji Networks
 * OldNihongo.J-Talk.Com
 * Basic Japanese verbal data: The imperative inflection of Japanese verbs

Associate Box
Ok folks I have finally gotten around to makeing the Associate Box. You can put it on your user page using the command. Below is what the box looks like. Tinni  (Talk)  14:37, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Translation Guidelines

 * Anyone doing any form of translation. Looking up on Google Translate or similar translation tools, is not translating. You are not doing the site any favors by doing amateur translation. Please refrain from using such tools.


 * This is not a conversation page. It is a simple question and answer page for translation. All conversations should be held on a particular user talk page or the talk page of this page.


 * Users should simply place their request and wait for it to be answered. To keep it simple, if the user posting the request has no real understanding of translation, the point is not for you to learn how to translate here. Usage of the page should extend no more then to asking for a translation to be done. Please refrain from badgering the translators for understanding on why a translation is translated a certain way. If you knew anything about translation you wouldn't be asking someone else to do it, therefore it makes no sense to argue with them.


 * If you are not a member of the translation corner, please do not answer translation questions. Leave it to our translators so as to avoid confusion.


 * Admin have the final say on the translation being placed into a article.

White Bone Hell and Blood Pond Hell
So, currently we're listing the two hot springs in the Kirinden as the White Bone Hell and the Blood Pond Hell. However, Cnet's translation, which is generally much more accurate, lists the White Bone Hell as the Skeletal Pit and the Blood Pond Hell as the Bloody Inferno. Would you mind taking a look at the kanji and determining what the proper translation would be? --Xilinoc (talk) 16:37, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * White Bone Hell - 白骨地獄, Hakkotsu Jigoku
 * Blood Pond Hell - 血の池地獄, Chi no Ike Jigoku

Thanks to Xilinoc for posting the Kanji. Based on those above Kanji, our current translations can stay. While hakkotsu is used to mean/translate "skeleton", it more lit. = "bare/white bone(s)", and what is a skeleton but a body's bones stripped bare? It's previously been used with more lit. intent in BLEACH in that ch. title during the Starrk/Kyouraku fight which was all about colors (via "Irooni"), 374: "Grey Wolf - Red Blood - Black Garb - White Bone" (灰狼・赤血・黒衣・白骨 Kairou - Sekketsu - Kokui - Hakkotsu).

The original Japanese, of course, suffers no such problems (more poetic or more literal?), as it can mean either of these things--the "trouble" (if there's any) then being a bit of ambiguity as to which is intended ... unless Kubo wanted both to be possible to add nuance, which seems plausible.

I suppose, though, that it then comes down to preference and consistency, this last being arrived at, maybe, by comparison with the similar nomenclature with "official" Hells, like the "black rope(s)/cord(s)" (Kokujou). This is similar to the way that chi no can be translated as "~ of blood" (rendering it lit. as noun + genitive particle) OR "blood(y) ~" (rendering it as the genitive particle no transforming the noun "blood" into an adjective, which is one of the functions of no).

Maybe I just lean more toward "White Bone" because of a combination of the above considerations and because we get a nice "syllabic synergy" with it comparing to the other one named: White - Bone, Blood - Pond XD. Adam Restling (talk) 09:42, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Wandenreich
According to a "origin questionable" (as probably not by Kubo, but by editors at Jump) release known as "The Dagger", which is a Bleach review page released by Weekly Shonen Jump, during Bleach Hiatus. The usage of the name Wandenreich was placed on the page in English. General Issue is we dont commonly go by the raw here and we dont go by content that Kubo himself didnt officially release and we dont know if he actually wrote any of this or if this is the opinion review from people at jump.--

Here's the Chinese scan, and the Japanese raw. It's printed clearly in English letters, and is consistent in pronunciation with the Japanese transliteration.

Could somebody please confirm that they look at that and see English letters which clearly spell "Wandenreich"? Thanks.Andrew Crichton (talk) 01:22, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Don't be afraid, everyone: I can see Wandenreich, too. XD

Well, while the exact "purity of extraction" (from Kubo, or, somehow, "only" JUMP) of † BLEACH The Dagger † may remain unclear, the situation, therefore, doesn't seem much different from that of the databooks and related material we took the other romanizations from--or, indeed, the Kubo-produced names and titles featured in the weekly vs. the volume chapters. The concept of "canon" has always been more elastic in BLEACH than we might like, even that canon we get from the author (!); from "You're a Shinigami and a--I mean, a human and a ...", Proyectil becoming Ola Azul, etc.

I'm really pleased we're getting so many (so-far) apparent "official" romanizations for these guys so early, compared to those we did for the Arrancar ... even if it's still not as early as I'd've hoped.

It makes me wonder, though: where did Kubo get the first element for this word Wandenreich? The closest word I can find in my dictionaries is Wand, which means "wall", "face (as of a wall, cliff, etc)", but is also used similarly for "partition, edge, precipice"; however, in a compound with it, we should prob. expect, rather, *Wandreich instead (although I agree that Wand en reich has a better cadence).

The underlying Japanese of Wandenreich, Miezaru Teikoku, do mean "unseen/invisible empire", but I suppose use of Wand "wall" or some derivative of it--if this is the origin of Wanden---could make sense, in the sense of "walled-off/sheltered (from sight)", the same way the Arabic jinnī ("invisible [spirit]", the source of English genie) is held to derive from the Semitic root gnn "cover, surround".

P.S. Based on the parallel spellings Wandenreich and below (split into two columns for concerns of space) as Wanden reich, this would seem to suggest a similar treatment for Sternritter--i.e., that we should prob. spell them, respectively, as Wandenreich, Sternritter (and I think we still spell the latter as two words, *Stern Ritter, on this Wiki--but I can't quite remember). Seemed appropriate to just briefly bring that up here. :) Adam Restling (talk) 10:22, July 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks Adam. On the Stern Ritter / Sternritter issue, it was previously brought up (here) and the discussion seemed to indicate that it was initially split due to spacing issues but later uses of the word show it as one continuous word. I don't have access to raws to check that out but I'm sure someone can provide them (hopefully). Btw, here are somewhat higher quality raws for the Dagger in case you need them. 12:38, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Stern Ritter
In the same publication there is a page on stern ritter that we basically need to know what the page itself says. The raw can be found here: http://24.media.tumblr.com/bf17e96b9e156ad74196826518500c47/tumblr_mqjahg5aFQ1risqr3o1_500.png --

This might be a good place to start re: translations of what this, the first week of The Dagger, contains, and a good place to check for similar data/Daten ) on the following weeks as they are released.

If the translations so far are any indication (most of them via the Chinese translations of the original Japanese text), a decent amount is just clarification or reiteration of stuff we already know--but they are also useful for some additional tidbits and romanizations, it seems; and they seem to be done by people who prob. have more resources and fluency than I can command, at least overall.

Perhaps additional renderings could be made (from the Japanese raws, which are also provided at the link above) by some of the more fluent (in Japanese grammar and texts) members of the Corner, if necessary :). Adam Restling (talk) 12:57, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Senbonzakura Kageyoshi
Having recently decided to look up the meaning of the kanji for Senbonzakura Kageyoshi's name, I was stumped when I found that none of the results give credence to translating "Kageyoshi" (景厳) as "Vibrant Display". To be more accurate, while the first kanji 景 does translate to "view, scenery" (and thus figuratively "display"), the second kanji 厳 translates to "severe, rigid, solemn", which is pretty much the opposite of "vibrant". MarqFJA (talk) 21:05, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

It's a fairly liberal translation of the Furigana (would rather be "pleasant display"), due to the fact that the Zanpakuto name uses Ateji (Kanji and Furigana which share no correlation). It's the same with Suzumushi, which has Kanji that means something else (more like "clean bug"). I'm not a member of the corner, but that's the reason why the translation doesn't seem to match. Andrew Crichton (talk) 11:51, August 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * From what I understand of the language, furigana does not overrule kanji when it comes to the actual meaning of the word, only in the pronunciation itself. MarqFJA (talk) 20:01, August 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * That is correct. I was going to bring up Suzumushi to ask if it should be changed to reflect an actual translation of the kanji rather than the furigana, as a proper translation of the kanji makes the connection between Shikai and Bankai a lot clearer. Realistically both meanings should be listed for all cases of Ateji (Minadzuki, Suzumushi, Senbonzakura Kageyoshi, Gegetsuburi(?)), since it's meant to operate like a pun. Andrew Crichton (talk) 22:34, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Cang Du
Apparently this guy has both kana and Chinese characters given for his name. Not entirely sure if they are correct, but these are what someone tried to put in: 蒼都 (ツアン·トウ)

Here's the relevant RAW. -- Mohrpheus  (Talk)  07:12, July 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ack, doesn't allow hotlinking. Mohrpheus   (Talk)  01:41, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Cang Du (蒼都) seems to tap good old Mandarin Chinese, whence the superscript (furigana) katakana reading Tsan Tu (ツァン·トゥ), approximating the Mandarin pronunciation [tsʰang tu]--the Japanese pronunciation of the Kanji would be Sou To or the like. Note the small ァ (a) and ゥ (u), compared to the approximations above.

Because of the interpunct ( • ) between them, it's probable, in that ol' Eastern order, that Cang is his surname, and Du his given name (whether this ever comes up is uncertain ;) ). 都 can mean "capitol, metropolis"; "(the) all, whole" (? < "capital amount")"; or "fine, elegant" (? < "metropolitan"). 蒼 is "blue" or "pale" again (it turns up here and there in other BLEACH names/terms). Adam Restling (talk) 05:28, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Stern Ritter Titles
Looking at the previous request for Quilge's epithet, it strikes me that all the Schrift for the Stern Ritter are done just like the Arrancar's Zanpakuto names are. Could we have the romanji and translations for the kanji?

Quilge - 監獄 Driscoll - 大量虐殺 Loyd/Royd - 貴方自身 Berenice - 異議 Jerome - 咆哮

-- Mohrpheus  (Talk)  23:58, July 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * You menat like that ?

or also like that :

Mad6 (talk) 10:04, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, Mad really went the whole nine yards giving us all that info, thanks :)!

I don't have all the raws to help with these--and those I do are often more blurry than is helpful when it comes to the furigana--but, from what I *think* I can see, the above seem correct.

All that's really left to me, then, seems to be a couple of notes, which may only be worthwhile to myself XD: 大量虐殺 "massacre, genocide" (as Mad noted) is more lit. "great amount" + "atrocity" (< "oppress" + "kill")--that's fun; 貴方自身 "yourself" specifically combines 貴方 "you" (polite) + 自身 "(one's) self". Interesting usages to note. Adam Restling (talk) 11:52, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Nimaiya's bodyguards
Their names are revealed in tankobon edition of the chapter. — talk 01:53, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * (Bodyguard 1)
 * (Bodyguard 2)
 * (Bodyguard 3)
 * (Bodyguard 2)
 * (Bodyguard 3)

Meanings of kanji of Nimaiya's bodyguards' names
Something occurred to me recently. Nimaiya's bodyguards are Zanpakutō in human shape, which would mean their names are their Zanpakutō names. Since we always list the meaning of the kanji present in a Zanpakutō's name, could someone post the meanings of their names so we can add it to the article?--Xilinoc (talk) 23:24, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Despite being Zanpakutou, these “Zanpakukko” (you might could call them) seem to have names meant to emulate strange/archaized versions of real names. However, their names generally refer to their function in the Zanpakutou forging process, or some trait(s) of it.

Mera, being katakana, is of uncertain (if any) meaning. Hiuchigashima could mean “kindling island”. The Kanji rendered hiuchi, which would seem normally to be “fire-striking” (火打ち, i.e. “striking sparks [like with flint] to kindle fire”), is 燧 “(signal) fire”; ga, rendered as it sometimes is by small ke (ヶ), is usually the conjunctive particle ga, which in rarer and older formations can seemingly be used for possessive/adjectival. Combining this with shima “island”, I would render it “kindling island”, as it could be seen as embracing the multiple meanings intimated by both Kanji and furigana-born intended reading (which itself shades meaning). Mera does strike the fire, igniting and blowing it, in the forging process.

Tokie is “time bay” (bay as in the body of water). Tonokawa is “whetstone river”. This would seem to refer to the “river” (pail of water) she pores onto the molten sword (to hone it like a whetstone, I guess), forming a “bay” at the appropriate time in the process (?).

Hasuka (katakana hasu + Kanji for “flower”) prob. means “lotus flower” (with ハス for 蓮 “lotus”). There is a word hasuka in Japanese, used to mean “Nelumbonaceae (plant family)”, sometimes called the “lotus-lily family”, but this is spelled with katakana hasu (prob. for “lotus”, 蓮) + the Kanji 科 “department, course, section”—sic the “hasu/lotus family”. Hashihara means “chopstick field”. She catches hold of the tempered sword between her pigtails, as one would a bit of food between chopsticks.

Nonomi combines a double hiragana no with mi (美) “fair, beautiful”. I guess you could “translate” this as “nono beauty”, but if nono was intended to have a meaning, it’s impossible to discern what that might be. More likely it was meant to echo, by metathesis, the surname. Nomino is “chisel field” (nomi can also mean “drill, bore”, but it seems like chiseling was more likely when dealing with a sword). She assists, it seems, Tokie in the honing/tempering of the molten sword.

Tsumiko is “sin child”, although tsumi also means “fault, guilt, crime” in general, without the religious trappings; this could reference her dark, concealing clothing and quietness. Tsuchimiya is “hammer shrine”, with her turning one of her own pulled teeth (torn from its “shrine” in her mouth???—this could well just be a “completion” of her name from a single word, the same way field is in the others) into a hammer that Nimaiya uses to beat the smelted sword into shape. Adam Restling (talk) 01:56, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Geh Geh Geh
Well, the distinctive laughter (usually One Piece's schtick) seems to imply that the character in this panel and this panel are the same guy. The kana look just a tad different, so could someone confirm whether they are indeed identical? Mohrpheus  (Talk)  03:02, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Kana is the same (ゲッゲッゲッ), just different fonts. — ЖенёqSig.png 13:26, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Kūkaku's Cannon Chant
I have decided to ask this here, not sure how it works but a user asked about Kūkaku's Cannon Chant and list the reference as from Chapter 84, pgs 6-10. He also quoted it as "Red Bronze desire demands 36 degrees of adjustment..13 pairs of whistle..72 pairs of shade,..The ape's right hand grabs the star..embracing 25 suns, the cradle of sand is bleeding, Kagizaki" so I guess I would like to know if this is correct??

Japanese and Spanish/German Translations
I've noticed quite a few translations around this wiki either 1. having the translation for only one language when there are two involved, 2. claiming both the Japanese and other language translation mean the same thing, or 3. missing a translation when there are kanji present. I'd appreciate it if someone could look over them and confirm and/or expand upon their translations.

Here are the terms with the kanji, katakana, romanji, current translation, and what other language there could be a translation for: Thank you very much in advance.--Xilinoc (talk) 05:55, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * (I'm doubting the kanji used here means "love", Kubo usually uses a synonym or whatnot, e.g. "The Overkill" being "Massacre")
 * (possible German translation, or maybe a proper Japanese one, since Invisible Empire seems like the German words Wanden and Reich together)
 * (note: even though this has a translation for both languages, someone from outside the corner translated the Japanese meaning, and I'd like confirmation from a corner member)
 * (possible German/Hebrew translation)
 * (possible German/Hebrew translation)
 * (I'm doubting the kanji used here means "iron maiden", Kubo usually uses a synonym or whatnot, e.g. "Lance of the Lightning" being "Lance of Thunder and Lightning")
 * (I'm doubting the kanji used here means "puppet theater", Kubo usually uses a synonym or whatnot, e.g. "Gluttony" being "Eating Hollow")
 * (possible Spanish translation)
 * (since there's no kanji, I'm doubting this one has a Japanese translation)
 * (possible Spanish translation)
 * (possible Japanese translation)
 * (possible Spanish translation)
 * (possible Spanish translation)
 * (possible Spanish translation)
 * (I'm doubting the kanji used here means "crane-throw", Kubo usually uses a synonym or whatnot, e.g. "The Question" being "Objection")
 * (I'm doubting the kanji used here means "right arm of the giant", Kubo usually uses a synonym or whatnot, e.g. "Swallow" being "Car Wheel Iron Swallow")
 * (I'm doubting the kanji used here means "right arm of the giant", Kubo usually uses a synonym or whatnot, e.g. "The Roar" being "Yell")
 * (possible German translation)
 * I did a little checking around of my own, and from my connections to native Israelis and a Hebrew/English dictionary, I found that Biskiel and Grimaniel do not seem to be Hebrew (though I can confirm that "El," the suffix of those two words, does mean "God"). The closest I found was "Germani" (with a hard "g") which is actually just Hebrew for "German." So the words might not be in Hebrew at all, and rather another language, or the prefixes are made up (unless Quilge's Vollständig means "German God," which I doubt).

Sometimes Kubo does just use Kanji/Japanese words that mean (almost) the same thing as the foreign language words they underlie, maybe because he's strapped for time, tired, or can't think of/doesn't think the term needs his usu. "souping-up".

Here's what I could do with the questions posed:

Amor: Underlying 愛 does mean "love, affection", so assuming it's the correct Kanji (I'll try to check the raw later), it's all good.

Wandenreich: Doesn't seem to be a true German word *Wanden with the meaning "invisible/unseen", with the closest being Wand "wall". See above for how, if this Wand *is* the inspiration, it could come close to a sense "unseen"; and see here for information on miezaru and teikoku, as well as theories related to them, too. But, yes, it would seem that *Wanden- is ~ to Miezaru, and -reich to Teikoku, in the term.

Tres Bestia (Kubo's apparent goof ["three beast"] for *Tres Bestias ["three beasts"]: In the raw I have, Nel names them with only the katakana (トレス・ベスティア Toresu Besutia), then translates it for Ichigo as "three beasts" (sanbiki no kedamono). When I Google "3獣神", though, many sites do give them as the underlying for Tres Bestia. Do they appear in a later chapter I lack the raw for? In the revised-for-volume-release version of the chapter I cite? Or is it a fan creation parroted across the Net as if true? I'm not sure at this point ...

Biskiel and Grimaniel: These don't seem to be angel names of any historical pedigree of known angelology, and are prob. just Kubo creations made to emulate established angel names, esp. those of the pattern ~iel "my ~ (is) God", not simply "~ of God". No Hebrew or other language I've been able to find furnishes a form *bisk(i) meaning "justice", nor one *griman(i) meaning "tread/walk".

Hierro Virgen: Underlying 鉄の処女 do mean "iron maiden": 鉄 "iron" (noun) + genitive particle の > "iron" (adjective) + 処女 "maiden, virgin".

Teatro de Titere: Underlying 人形芝居 combines 人形 "puppet, doll" and 芝居 "play, drama", so they're essentially identical in meaning: "puppet theatre" (the pseudo-adjectival use here of puppet being expressed, as usu. for Spanish, as de titere "of puppet"), "puppet show" (show as a performance of dramatic theatre).

Gabriel: The name of the archangel who revealed to Mary that she was pregnant with the Christ child, hence the underlying Kanji 受胎告知, used for this Annunciation--more lit. "notification of the conception". The katakana are prob. the usu. for Japanese pronunciation of Gabriel, closer to its Greco-Latin descent from the Hebrew (and so fitting Spanish phonology pretty well). In other words: "Spanish" Gabriel = the angel, underlying Kanji = one of his most famous acts. 'Course, Szayelaporro was far less sacred a pregnancy for Nemu ;) ...

Senescencia: This, along many of the "Arrancaric" terms in UNMASKED, lacks underlying Kanji. But yes, it's only the Spanish word for "senescence, growing old, aging".

Dragra: Doesn't seem to exist as a real Spanish word, at least of any currency; neither do the possible phonetic variants, *Dragula, *Dragla, and *Dragura, I tried.

Predation: Underlying 虚食反応 mean "hollow feeding response".

"Gillian", Adjuchas and Vasto Lorde: See here and here for data on the possible extraction of, esp., Gillian and Adjuchas; but the verdict seems to be that they're not Spanish, and God knows where Kubo got Gillian from XD. Adjuchas seems quite likely to've been ultimately taken from the "genius of stone" cited in my links; I found a demon using the name in the bestiary of some Japanese RPG-looking game, so it seems the Japanese could know it from there or similar sources. It's not Spanish, though (which doesn't really possess a j sound), but seems to be an Anglicized Latin rendering. As for Vasto Lorde, at least the word vasto "vast, immense" is a Spanish word; but Lorde seems to be a Kubo "extra-Spanishizing" of Spanish loan-word (from English) lord (plural lores) "lord" (rank of peerage, as in the House of Lords). This loan didn't seem Spanish enough, or distinct enough from its English source--or maybe he wanted more syllables?--so Kubo could've added the -e for such an effect. This may also explain why the katakana for it is Rōde (with the English -r- fused into the long -ō-, as is common in English adaptation; compare fō "four"), rather than a more Spanish-appropriate (i.e. preserving the "stronger" sound of the flap r) *Rorude).

P.S. In one of the databooks, in a section about Grimmjow, Adjuchas is spelled "Adjucas", but this is the only and closest example to an "official" romanization of it I've seen in Japanese sources, and (in light of its likeliest extraction) should prob. be taken with a grain of salt: after all, I think the same databook gives us "harcyon days" instead of "halcyon days".

Grúa Tirar: Underlying クレーン投げ combine クレーン, a phonetic adaptation of English "crane (the machine), hoist", and 投げ "fall, throw". Spanish and Japanese meanings seem pretty identical.

Brazo Derecha de Gigante: Underlying 巨人の右腕 do mean "right arm of (the) giant".

Brazo Izquierda del Diablo: Underlying 悪魔の左腕 do mean "left arm of the Devil". Specifically, when reference is intended to a major rather than a "minor" devil (or, indeed, the Devil himself, Satan) the term used is often 悪魔 akuma, an intensifying compound of 悪 "evil, wicked" and 魔 "fiend, devil"; or the compound 魔王 maou "fiend/devil king".

"Gritz": Underlying 五架縛 （グリッツ） Gurittsu ~ "five frame bonds" are found in the Japanese Wiki for Ishida, as well as other places; but a word *Gritz doesn't appear to be real German--in fact, the closest phonetic possibility I've been able to find is g l itzern "to sparkle". It seems likely it's meant to be German, but I'm not sure from where, or if there's a real word that inspired it at all. Adam Restling (talk) 11:09, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for tackling this, man. Also, in regards to Dragra, I was reading through some stuff from the Arrancar arc, and I found this. Now, I know older scanlations can be...iffy, to put it politely, when it comes to translating the Arrancar-related terms (Arrancar names, Zanpakutō names, and, of course, a great deal of the release commands of said Zanpakutō) but these guys got the Japanese meaning correct, so could you take a look at what they got for the Spanish translation and see if it's correct? Not to deride you previous analysis, it's just that it's one of the phonetic variations you mentioned.--Xilinoc (talk) 16:47, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

About Tres Bestia: Nel really calls them 3獣神 in the next (489th) chapter. — talk 17:40, August 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks :). Though since Nel's statement still encloses this in quotation marks, it's hard to know whether this is a kind of ad hoc explanation, or a canonical association of these underlying with the katakana. Maybe a databook-to-come will let us know. Adam Restling (talk) 22:47, August 27, 2013 (UTC)



Vol 60 Poem
Adam/MarqFJA/Vraieesprit, can we please have a translation for the volume 60 poem, raw to the right. Thank you, 16:15, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Romanized Japanese:

Tsuminaki anata ha taiyō no yō Tsumibukai anata mo taiyō no yō

It seems like this could be translated:

"The sinless you is like the sun; even the sinful you is like the sun".

That looks pretty correct. Adam Restling (talk) 08:40, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

A couple of issues
So there are two things I felt the need to bring to the attention of the Translation Corner. One's fairly simple, the other..... not so much.

First, the simple one:
 * Rugir der Dragon - Something about this name bugs me, and unless five years of Spanish have completely failed me, der is not Spanish, and "of the" (which seems to be the translation) is del. Simple issue, yes, but I looked at the (raw) UNMASKED page (147), and it actually does say der in English letters, so I'm not sure if this was a basic L/R mistake on whoever typed up the English in that character book. I'm more or less looking for a second person to confirm this.

The second issue is a little more complicated:
 * Biskiel - yes, it was already determined that Biskiel really isn't a word in any language. However, I found something that might throw a wrench in this idea. I picked up the US copy of Volume 56, and Quilge's Vollständig is given a different yet similar name: Piskiel. So, I decided to look this one up in an English/Hebrew dictionary to see if there was a possibility that meant something. Needless to say, I did find something, or I wouldn't be putting it here. To start off, I left off the "iel" as that is generally just a suffix to mean "of God" (אל [El] meaning "God"), so I looked up whatever variations I could find of "Pisk." The letters I used were "פסק" (PSK from right to left), and I found a few different possible translations, as, with Hebrew, the more important part of any word is the letters (the consonants), and the vowels that go underneath the letters are usually not written:
 * Pesak - Decision (Pesak Din [פסק דין] would be verdict or judgement)
 * Pasak - Pass sentence
 * Using these two words, I've come to the conclusion that "Pesakiel" and "Pasakiel" (which both have the same spelling in Hebrew as "Piskiel") could mean "God's decision" or "God's sentence" (possibly "God's verdict/judgement"). These possibilities almost seem like too much of a coincidence given that the translation of the Kanji seems to be "God's judgement." I'm not at all asserting anything, but if, possibly, a second set of eyes can take a look at this one, that would be helpful.

Rugir der Dragon, despite appearing in roman ("English") letters, does seem to be a fail, particularly the part "der" you cited; it should be del, with an l, for Spanish "of the" (the usual contraction of de el)--this fail also occurs in ha r cyon days instead of halcyon days in one of the plot sections, I think; and, to be technical, "dragon" should be dragón.

Biskiel (the underlying = "justice", not "judgement", of God--though this could be just splitting hairs, I dunno XD): Well, the form with the b- would seem correct, and VIZ's form with p- wrong, so let's just establish that first off. As I said above, iel isn't "(of) God"--the element el alone is "God", and the -i-, where it occurs, the suffix "my", producing phrases such as gabr-i-el "champion-my-(is) God" > "God is my champion"--but you're right that the first element would be sought for as rooted in something like B/P-S-K or (B/P-S-Q, since Hebrew qoph "Q" is often erroneously translated k, too). However, I can't find such a root with the possible appropriate derivation "justice" (= close enough to "judgement"???).

The root psk (פסק) which you give--actually, similar to what I stated above, to be rendered psq, with final qoph (which I'll write most often as k below in line with Schiffy's usage)--doesn't seem to be the part involved with "judgement", that being din (prob. to be rendered *dîn, from dān "judge"). While the verb pasaq is generally held to mean "part, open wide", it (or a homophone???) is held to mean "cease, stop, conclude" in legal phrases like that you cited, a p(e)sak din--"the conclusion of judgement". Use of just p(e)sak (or pasak for "pass" such judgements) is prob. just a familiar synecdoche, and might be compared to the use of English conclusion itself to refer to a "final judgement" as well a simply an "end".

A theoretical "stem" *bisq-/*pisq- *could* presuppose a word *beseq/*peseq, which could take the form *bisq-/*pisq- before the suffix -î "my" (cf. Hebrew ṣidqî "my righteousness", with the presuffixal form ṣidq- of the noun ṣedeq "righteousness"). However (as I think I've noted elsewhere), the closest word via this theory I'd found to this point was bezeq, which apparently means "lightning", not "justice". Despite the apparent discrepancies of b- and not p- and -k- instead of -q- (this last natheless being quite common), though, Schiffy's citing of "p(e)sak" is the most workable (if impossible to confirm, and tentative) theory for "Biskiel"'s origin so far, and I wouldn't put it past Kubo to chance upon such a word, seeking for some angelic/Hebrew-sounding elements in perhaps a none-too-helpful Japanese-to-Hebrew dictionary. However, given this, it's likely the only thing we can do is list this as a (very-tenuous) "possibility" in some kind of appropriate "Trivia" or "Talk" section. But I suppose most of this is not postable material so much as us having fun trying to work out these miscellaneous puzzles :).

Note that Schiffy says that forms pesakiel, pasakiel and piskiel would "have the same spelling in Hebrew" only because written Hebrew rarely indicates vowels (as Schiff states), instead generally expressing them as bare consonants (sic, here, an indistinguishable-to-one-not-fluent form psq'l). Adam Restling (talk) 00:05, August 28, 2013 (UTC)