Forum:Why does everyone hate fullbring?

Seriously, I can't help but wonder. Almost everywhere I go, people talk about the Fullbring ability in almost a scoffing manner and seem happy that Ichigo lost his Fullbring powers to regain his game breaking Shinigami powers. I mean, there's nothing interesting about his Shinigami powers save that he is really, really strong and looks extremely japanese-fashionable. To me, Fullbring was a fun concept - and I thought it was cool when Ichigo gained such powers (It brought Ichigo's nature as a child born of a Shinigami/Human pairing to it's most logical conclusion) so naturally when his Fullbring was taken, it was like a kick in the throat for me. Sure his new robes look fancy, and it's all a return back to normalcy, but he's no longer a human who can wear his shinigami powers in the real world - he's a shinigami who can shed his human shell and become super-ghost.

Please tell me I'm not the only one here who thought his Fullbring powers were better, and that had Kubo developed them more properly, could have been so much cooler? After all, he was still using his Shinigami powers - he was just in human form when he did it (Before you say anything, it was said Ichigo's Fullbring was melding with his Shinigami powers, and Getsuga Tensho showed this - I feel this proof enough that he was just wearing his shinigami powers.) Bloodtom1 (talk) 08:19, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

I can't say I speak for everyone, but I think the reason why most people didn't like the current arc or Fullbring is because of the lack of Shinigami characters that were present in the story, and I'm sure they started to feel better when they finally showed up. And as unfortunate as it is, a large portion of the Bleach fanbase centers more around the Shinigami characters than it does the Human characters, since there's a sheer number of Shinigami characters over Human characters.

But getting on Ichigo's case... I'm not saying I liked his Fullbring more than his Shinigami powers, but like you, I actually was hoping we'd see Ichigo use his Fullbring more than just fighting Tsukishima. Ichigo trying to adapt in a body he isn't used to fighting in, as well as utilizing an unfamiliar power (to him anyway) would have been very interesting to see, not to mention what Kugo already told Ichigo (merging his Fullbring with his Shinigami powers).

My guess for people preferring Ichigo's Shinigami powers over his Fullbring is likely because he's already fought in that form. He's very formidable and very powerful, both in his Shikai and his Bankai, and he's adapted to fighting in both states to the point where he fights on-par with high-level opponents. Additionally, many fans wanted his powers to return since the first chapter of the arc, so it was a long-anticipated event. Arrancar109 (Talk)  08:41, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

I would basically point out the reason being, there is disconnect between Ichigo even having a Fullbring. It is never explained how he is randomly capable of using an ability credited only to humans born to parents attacked by hollows. Im also not sure where you make a connection between his shinigami half and his human half showing its connection in fullbring. Fullbring is human with hollow origin spiritual power, his human half has no recognition because it never had any power, that is retained for his spiritual body. The biggest problem with fullbring is regardless of your power your still human and thus far more easily injured thus ineffective compared to other combatants. Kubo himself has stated to he never intended for ichigo to either keep the fullbring abilities and his visual changes are meant to showcase kugo more then Ichigo.--Salubri (Talk)  17:32, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

@ Arrancar109: The story did focus a lot on Shinigami characters - and I think that's what made Fullbring so much more interesting. We've seen so much centered around the Shinigami that it almost became mundane. Honestly, when Ichigo's Fullbring first reached level 2, I thought it was going to be awesome because I felt like "Hey, they're really serious about this new ability arent they?" When it was completed, I was at first a bit thrown off, but then I actually liked it when I noticed it looked like his Shinigami Robes covered in skeletal armor. For me, it was a far more interesting concept - not only did it give him a new element to master, but also it was just more fun - all their powers are in their ability to manipulate the world around them, as opposed to Shinigami who are just really really strong and can move really really fast. Ichigo, for me, was the ultimate expression of Fullbring, as when Ginjo revealed he was going to meld his Fullbring with his Shinigami powers, it was like "So basically, he'll be like a living, physical shinigami as opposed to being a spirit." Really, I feel like it could have been made far more interesting - if he could use his Shinigami powers in human form, I at first wondered how this would express itself, if he'd regain Bankai and/or hollowfication-like abilities, or if he could still perform Soul Burials and whatnot. Then Ginjo Megaman'd him. :P

@ Salubri: His Fullbring maybe the result of anything, between possibly having a parent who was attacked by a hollow to perhaps being an offshoot of his hollow powers (remember, Fullbring is a result of hollow powers being left in humans.) Additionally, the connection I make to his Fullbring with his Shinigami powers is simple - they state at least once or twice that his Fullbring is merging with his Shinigami powers, Tsukishima stating that using his ability to bring out Getsuga Tensho a sign that this is occuring, and Yukio stating that Ichigo's Fullbring "allows the user to don their powers as a cloak in the real world." The proof also stands out in his second-level Fullbring taking the form of his Shinigami Robes. Basically, while they havent flat out said it yet, the evidence and talk all suggests his Fullbring is at it's core an expression of his Shinigami powers. As for being human, Ginjo has shown that that means little - being a Clad-Type Fullbring, I suppose that means the entire body is allowed the gift of the powers, as opposed to fullbrings that effect only objects. Ginjo was able to fight Ichigo on par (although he was still bested by him in the end) and even withstood a great deal of punishment before going down. While they are in their human bodies, they still seemed capable of utilizing thier shinigami powers in this form, as further expressed by Ginjo's ability to activate Bankai, which seemed to even result in blurring the lines between human and hollow. Bloodtom1 (talk) 19:22, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

I think you are misunderstanding the information. We have nothing to even assume how Ichigo got fullbring, he just randomly had it. no explanation how, in fact they randomly had him with this power after explaining the only possible way to achieve it. This contradicts there explanation, will more info to properly explain it be given in later chapters? Maybe we will see but we have nothing to go off of to lead to a speculative answer either. Kugo is the one who made the connection about his powers merging, that was only the getsuga tensho, also it was determined that Ichigo didnt re-establish his shinigami powers until after his fullbring was taken. Does such a merge hold weight, no it doesn't, he lost his fullbring. Therefore merging powers or not in relation to ichigo it becomes pointless. Yukio also never made that claim in the way your stating it. Ichigo's fullbring took on the form of a clad-type (like Jackie's) this also relates too his shinigami powers when he uses them. This showcases that in all power sets he is prone to wearing the power as armor/costume as opposed to simply using an ability. Fullbring at its core is of hollow origin, therefore it cant be a reflection of shinigami powers. It would be a reflection of any power ichigo would have regardless of the source. We are never given any information that allows us to understand Ginjo's powers or how he uses them, even if he was still in human body at the point that he fights ichigo. It only confuses established content. Humans can easily become hollows (there is no line to blur, they become one if they fall to despair after death). Having a fullbring doesn't make you a hollow or any more likely to become a hollow. Ginjo is a unique case of being a substitute shinigami with a fullbring. Other then that, Assuming otherwise to make your point correct would be inaccurate with no proof other then maybe. --Salubri (Talk)  21:27, December 14, 2011 (UTC)