Talk:Zanjutsu

Ōmaeda is bound to have some level. I maintain that he is an expert, but even if he is only a specialist, shouldn't he at least appear on this page?--Weedefinition 10:34, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Everyone is a specialist so stop removing that classification. Next he is not once taken a battle fully serious to have actually shown to have anything but the most basic skill in fighting using his zanpakuto. Whether he is of an expert level as most lieutenant has been shown he is lacking in actual skill. The only expertise he has shown to have is in stealth tactics and shunpo.Salubri 13:55, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, Salubri, but you are wrong. Omaeda has fought and won(in the anime) or would have won if he wasn't that stupid (in the manga). If even Momo Hinamori (we have never seen her actually fighting with her sword in close combat, but she stated that she is weak) is considered an expert, then Omaeda, who is obviously vastly stronger than her at meelee combat, should be one too. This wiki puts him down on the same level as Hanataro, which of course can't be. Omaeda might be not as skilled as Hisagi or Kira are, but his skill level is definitifely higher than Hinamori's. --Suzumushi 17:32, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Yoruichi's skill lower than Soifon's?
Why is yoruichi 'only' an expert and soifon is a master... I think it was yoruichi who taught soifon how to use a sworf efficiantly. And I think it was Yoruichi who united 2nd and the ommitsukido. So should yoruichi's rank be improved? --Cyberflame 21:15, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Classifications are based on the information presented not on opinion due to certain circumstances in the storyline. While Yoruichi is Soifon's mentor there is no proof either stated in the manga or shown in the anime that says that She taught her any of her skills. While being a mentor we can rightly assume that she most likely did we do not know for certain nor how much was taught. What we do know for sure is that Soifon is highly skilled in shunpo, hakuda and zanjutsu. We know this as we have seen it considerably in the manga and the anime. In both media Yoruichi has only ever been shown using Shunpo and Hakuda. To date besides in one anime flashback we have never seen her use a zanpakuto, therefore we don't know what her level of skill actually is, because of that we give her the class of expert. By nature of being a former captain and attaining that level would require expert skill or higher she is given expert until such time as be determined if her skills exceed that level. Salubri (Talk)  21:39, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

But all captains have to have master level. it's what makes them captains. Every captain has to have a bankai be captain and she's a captain. Even Kenpachi, without a bankai is captain. Even Isshin and unohana, who we haven't seen battling much. Tensa Zabimaru 08:44, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Totally ignored what i said. First the fact that a person has bankai doesn't have anything to do with zanjutsu. Secondly where does it say all captains have to have master level or that its what makes a captain. Anything else would be an assuption which doesn't seem to be something you get. We cannot place information that isn't factual just because it might be true. Mayuri isn't a master either. Just like everyone isn't equal in swordsmanship not eveyone is equal in shunpo or kido. Zajutsu deals with swordsmanship, the various fighting styles not the level of zanpakuto release even though it helps one attain rank. yes most captains are masters and most have bankai but even though they have bankai doesn't necessarily mean all have mastery. It is all determined in this case on specific information and whether or not we have seen actual combat taken place. Isshin we have seen it and Unohana that information has been stated. Salubri (Talk)  13:08, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Nadegiri, Kendo, Jinzen?
How do we know that Nadegiri is a "basic" zanjutsu technique and not an ability of Ryujin Jakka? The way the technique was illustrated highly indicated the use of flames, which points quite strongly to it being solely open to Ryujin Jakka and no other zanpakutou. Perhaps Kubo stated it in an interview and I missed it?

Surely Kendo should be under Zanjutsu too no?

Jinzen... I would have thought this would come under the "art of the sword", as mastering the zanpakutou involves talking to and learning from your zanpakutou, and Zenjin is the technique with which this is done outside of a combat situation. Pumpkin13 12:24, July 13, 2010 (UTC)