Forum:Bootleg vs. Souls

I'm only discussing this with administrators, since this concerns sourced info.

Well, we need to go through some of the character data again. Yyp stated that there were some differences between the Bootleg and Souls, our main sources for character stats, and I thought as much from the beginning. I looked into the release dates of both. SOULs was released on February 3, 2006, and released in North America on November 18, 2008. The Bootleg, on the other hand, was released August 3 2007, but has not been released in North America yet. Anyway, my point is that the Bootleg and SOULs contain statistics that contradict the other, and I was hoping if we can settle which source to use. I suggest we use the Bootleg, since it came out later. My guess is that Kubo retconnned the original statistics (for one reason or another), and we should probably follow that one. Any thoughts? Arrancar109 23:25, November 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, whatever we go with, I'll take the time to go around and make the changes. Arrancar109 23:29, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

I think if there is a conflict between the two, then we should go with the most recently released source, as it is likely to be more up to date. Any long running series can have newly released info that contradicts what was said earlier. I believe that the convention in such cases is that the newer information typically takes precedence. Anyway, for the most part the differences I noticed between what was on the character profiles and what Souls said was minimal, except for Ichigo, who had a 5cm difference in his height between Souls & what was stated on his profile. The most important thing to me is that whatever we use, it is the same source for all of the profiles (unless they are omitted from whichever book we use, of course). --Yyp 23:53, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

I concur. I think we should go with the Bootleg, then, since it's the most recent source. It's possible that Tite looked at the characters' heights (or whatever) relative to everyone else, and didn't like the distribution, so he decided to make some modifications. Twocents 00:51, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

The problem i have with the bootleg is its largely in japanese and can't be correctly referenced in the work we do. Most of the stuff online is in bits and pieces and while its ok for small information that cant be found elsewhere to push it through on all the articles is hard pressed. It maybe the most recent in japan but not here at all, while with souls i myself personally have a copy, i can put down pages and the like which i cant say the same for the bootleg. If someone can find a way to make it better then that would be good but thats my thoughts are on it. Salubri 02:42, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

I suppose that makes sense. I'm not bilingual. I can't speak or read Japanese. Someone could draw squiggly lines and tell me it said, "Ichigo is 5'10"!" And I couldn't argue. I suppose, then, that if we or someone else on the wiki does know Japanese really well and doesn't have to merely just trust whatever people put out, then the bootleg would be best. But maybe we should default to Souls, since we can actually read that for ourselves. Twocents 02:48, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Reading "174 cm" in Japanese is pretty much like reading it in English; getting things like height and weight from it wouldn't be any trouble. I do agree with some of the more core information though, but my main concern about it in the first place is the statistical information like height and weight, since it's apparent that it's been changed over time and we've been showing something that's been out of date for over 3 and a half years. It's highly likely that some of the deeper stuff of the profile has been the same. Heck, I've seen some repeated information on some of the articles, and both the Bootleg and SOULs were referenced. I guess with some of the deeper stuff we should keep SOULs referenced until someone out there can translated reliably or an officially translated version is out, but things like height and weight, and the measurement conversions (cm to inches, and kg to lbs) I can do very easily. Arrancar109 03:41, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. If it comes across the same in both the Japanese and English versions, then I think we should go with the Bootleg. I've never seen what the raws look like, so I just assumed it would be unclear, but if it's not then I definitely think we should go with the updated version for the basic facts, at least. Twocents 04:02, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Again, I can do the height/weight conversions myself, and I have access to the Bootleg on my own computer, but Salubri's point on some of the more in-depth information is valid, and I can't really read Japanese either (otherwise I'd be able to properly list some of the game-only characters' techniques). I may be able to find someone who can do it, or there could be a user here who knows how to translate Japanese on-site, but they haven't stepped up yet. With height/weight statistics, I think we should go with the Bootleg, since it can be read and converted easy enough. But with the in-depth profile information, we should stick with SOULs until someone from this site can step up to properly translate it. Arrancar109 04:11, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * That makes sense. I'm fine with that. Twocents 04:15, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

I agree with that. Without an access to an English version or a reliable translator, for the deeper info we should stick with Souls. But if the height stuff is as easily recognized as Arrancar109 says, then we should use that as it is more recent. --Yyp 11:28, November 7, 2009 (UTC)