Forum:The Vandenreich

I will try to avoid making suggestive comments as to what these people represent. We know of their name, The Vandenreich, and we know of their powers, Quincy. There are two things that worry me: 1. These people should have died off like many have said (look for yourself), and 2. why are their weapons and appearance giving off mixed messages? Even more confusing, they're attire appears to be a blending of Quincy and Arrancar. My only view, which I do not state as fact, is this: They appear to be Quincy that are trying to enact a vendetta against Soul Society. We have no proof to any theory we may be thinking, so we'll have to see what happens. It's interesting that one of them has a mask fragment, but we'll have to wait to see if any other member has similar features.

Bankai erasing power
it makes sence that the quincy can do this think about it when a quincy kills someone they disapear completely erase, and uryu remove that arrancar powers ,and they can manipulate energy every species uses so it makes sence they can erase one attacks powers. hollows are made of it i always knew they had this power cause there powers erase things. (Sonicwave567 (talk) 15:16, March 8, 2012 (UTC))


 * There is alot of misinformation here. Qunicy powers kill Hollows unlike Shinigami powers that purify them returning them to the cycle of death and rebirth. To say completely erase would be inaccurate, as their powers dont go that far. Uryu was only able to destroy the soul chain/soul sleep of Cirucci with his arrow because he knew where the points were in the body, Byakuya did the same thing to ichigo the first time they met, its not a exclusive ability, its something that exists on all spiritual beings that can be targeted if one knows the position and has the skill to attack it. Quincy can absorb spiritual energy/spiritual particles in the atmosphere and/or environment and combine it with their own spiritual energy to form ranged weapons. This ability is specified though, they dont use it the way your insinuating. They dont manipulate what everyone uses, while they have the same power source as everyone as stated previously that power is used in a specific way by them, just as spiritual power is used a specific way by Shinigami/Visored/Arrancar/Hollow/Fullbringer/Hi-Spec Humans/Bount. As far as their ability to nullify bankai thats questionable. They apparently have some artifact that when used with a spell is supposed to have that affect of nullifying a bankai. We virtually no nothing about it. We dont know about the effects of it, how it works, the requirements, the time limit or anything relevant about it. In fact we onlt know that it didn't work on Ichigo at all and then its questionable if they even know it works, as the only ones with bankai are by in large shinigami captains (besides Ichigo, Renji and Ikkaku, Urahara, Yoruichi, Tessai, Love). We assume they never faced any of these guys for them to use their bankai so how exactly would they know it even works. --Salubri (Talk)  15:42, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

We know now that they have a method of affecting a Shinigami's Bankai. I still find it interesting that Squad 1's Lieutenant knew Bankai, though! The way they worded it, the Vandenreich have the ability to "capture" a Bankai inside a "proof" that they possess. Apparently the effectiveness of the proof varies, because Ivan could not capture Tensa Zangetsu.Lokker G (talk) 17:01, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes thus proving that if they have the ability to capture a banaki, at most we know that it works somewhat, but to varying degrees apparently. We also as i previously stated dont know much else about the specifics of its function. --Salubri (Talk)  17:14, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

As of this week's manga, it has been confirmed that they do seal a Bankai, but the seal is not imposed on the user, but seal the Bankai within a physical object. Any other mechanics of this ability have yet to be confirmed, so any assumptions as to what they are will only be confirmed or refuted in future releases. The only things that come to mind, are 1. Can it be used by the Vandenreich? 2. Will a Bankai be returned to its owner if the seal is destroyed? and 3. Do members of the Vandenreich carry more than one seal, so they can capture more than one Bankai? We will find out in the following chapters!Lokker G (talk) 17:11, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Origin of the names of the Vollständig
This may seem like something stupid to discuss, but from what I've seen in the translation corner, it seems that the names of the Vandreich members' Vollständig aren't German, like most of their abilities. Since the names are similar to the names of angels, their forms look like angels, is it possible that the names are Hebrew or Aramaic in origin instead? I'm trying to find out myself and it is driving me up a wall.--Moe1216 (talk) 20:27, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Bankai-Sealing Problems
Before we get into theorizing what the deal is with Tensa Zangetsu being difficult, if not impossible, to seal, let's leave this open-ended for the sake of future info. What we know, currently, is the fact that Tensa Zangetsu, for some reason, cannot be sealed inside that "Medal" the Vandenreich use. From what I've seen, they've sealed other Bankai with no problem, and there isn't a definable pattern. If sealing Tensa Zangetsu is impossible, there is no type related to it that hasn't been sealed. Even Daiguren Hyrourinmaru has been sealed, and that is the most closely-related Bankai to Tensa Zangetsu. The other thing bugging me is what Hitsugaya stated after his Bankai was sealed: He did not feel his spirit's presence. The only difference I can note is that, as far as we know, no captain with a Bankai has been known to converse with the spirit of a Bankai. Ichigo is the only one that has, currently, approach and conversed with the spirit of his Bankai. Wherever this leads, I hope this gets clarified.Lokker G (talk) 01:18, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

There are several other differences that could be noteworthy enough to cause problems sealing Ichigo's bankai. The first, and most obvious one, is that Ichigo is mortal. An effect designed to affect your typical Shinigami might fail because he is a living person. Secondly Ichigo is a Vaizard. His hollowification may prevent the bankai theft.

As an aside I don't think it has anything to do with Ichigo being able to converse with Zangetsu. The series implies that communicating with your zanpaktou isn't that unusual and is a necessity to advance to bankai anyway. Great Cthulhu (talk) 08:00, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

So far I've got three theories as to why Ichigo breaks the mold (again). 1) The way he went about achieving his Bankai in the first place. The three-day method invented by Urahara could have a side-effect, meaning Urahara himself would also be immune to the theft. Far out there, I know. 2) Ichigo's Fullbring. Didn't that merge with his Shinigami powers? Someone said above that the Bankai Stealing thing is probably geared to average Shinigami -- Ichigo is far from being normal :p 3) Hollow Ichigo and Tensa Zangetsu are the same being -- one zanpakutō spirit and the other an Inner Hollow. Them two fusing back before the Aizen showdown could've had some effects on this too. Anyways, that's my two-cents :) Kenji-Taichō (Talk)  14:38, July 9, 2012 (UTC)