Forum:Was Barragan already an Espada/Arrancar when Aizen arrived

Looking at the latest chapter, he is sitting BORED in his "released" form. Is this a clue that he wasn't in the original Espada before Aizen arrived? We know there was an original group of Espada before Aizen came (Privaron Espada). Aizen also offered Barragan extra power, probably meaning he will turn him in an arrancar. Nytemyre 02:28, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I think you're misunderstanding matters. The Espada was a group that Aizen created, all espada became so after he arrived. The first batch of Espada were imperfect arrancar, made without the breakdown sphere. The second batch, the current ones, were given power after that. ZeroSD 03:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I somewhat agree with Nytemyre in the sense that he may have been an arrancar prior to meeting Aizen. The form he is shown in only has minor differences from his released form and appears to be far more humanoid than other hollow. Either way wouldn't claiming that he was a hollow then(as is done in the trivia section) be speculation.--Terrios 22:44, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

An arrancar's release form is supposed to look like their original hollow form anyway. That it looks pretty much the same means he was able to maintain a humanoid form like that naturally. ZeroSD 23:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that the implications suggest that Barragan was once a Vasto Lorde, judging by his humanoid features (which have been pointed out). I think that it is safe to assume that Barragan was not an Arrancar in his flashback - that must have been the "power" that Aizen had spoken of. Mohrpheus 15:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Thats speculative at best and, secondly the release is just the arrancar regaining its true hollow powers. Grimmjaw looked similar to a panther in his hollow form and his released form is similar to that panther form but humanoid. From what is shown Aizen, Tosen and Gin where all captains at the time, Seeing as Gin became a captain somewhere around 49 years ago or less. this meeting seems to have taken place inbetween that time, assuming that it didn't take place after rukia had been captured but before she was to executed. Barragans form then looks the same as it does currently besides the different crowns. The privion never had augmentation by the hogyoku but it seems that barragan was picked because of his authority basically gained by his strength and power. Apparently from what the interactions His time based abilities are from hogyoku augmentation as he didnt use them to combat against Aizen at the time or they were at least not of the level they are currently. But he does seem to be an arrancar before meeting Aizen.Salubri 19:18, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

I doubt that he was an Arrancar before Aizen came to Hueco Mundo for the first time. Every Arrancar we saw so far was in his released form just when he needed it so I don't think that Barragan was running in Hueco Mundo all that time released cause he just felt like it. Aside from that after he met Aizen he took more humanoid form (flesh instead of bones) when he wasn't fighting.Ergroilnin 19:51, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

They all worked for Aizen too, thus following his rules was paramount such as the top 4 espada not releaseing in los noches or using gran rey cero there. Also being in released form consumes energy, so who really knows how often they release or stay in that form. Also his sealed form was flesh not his release, how he portrayed himself currently is no reflection on him in the past as both forms are the same. He as he did as he pleased then which is reflected currently barragan is the exact type to do what he feels like, prior to aizen showing up he was gonna have his own army fight each other. He took control when Starrk was the superior in the current. You would have to prove they arent the same in both cases in the past and currently. In which how can you when he take out gran caida to attack aizen in the past something we have only seen in his released form in the current time. Hollows dont carry weapons.Salubri 20:44, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Wow i forgot about that myself. Yea he would have had to been an arrancar at the time, he does in fact take out Gran Caida to attack Aizen after they kill his hollow army, it was hard to see at first but it was there, and yea hollows dont carry weapons really. If you look at him he is basically the same as he is currently besides a different crown. He also states in there that Aizen will regret giving him power, meaning that he was probably an incomplete arrancar but a powerful one, so much that he is a god-king among hollows. Therefore he must have been augmented by the hogyoku giving him the time manipulation powers.Cascader 20:56, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Weren't the Privaron Espada created naturally and Aizen replaced them with the Espada made with the Orb of Distortion?

That seems to be the case, incomplete arrancar or natural arrancar have apparently existed for some time. Apparently they weren't good enough power wise to keep those positions in the espada, it would make sense that Aizen only picked powerful hollows and/or powerful incomplete arrancar to make up the ranks of the current espada.Salubri 22:03, September 6, 2009 (UTC)